World-Renowned Personal Trainer: How To Lose Fat, Build Muscle and Improve Your Mental Health | Senada Greca

34:47It wasn't a priority, but now everyone's got a scale and they check it every day. A lot of people. What is the, I guess, the negative for a woman who wants to weigh themselves and see a number every single day? What is the downside to weighing yourself for women versus the pro of having that number that they see every day. It's going to dictate how you feel on that particular day. And do you really want your mood and your day to be dictated by a number on a scale? That's why I always say, why do you want your day to be dictated by that? You know progress. Like we lie to ourselves. We're good at lying to ourselves.

35:29But we know when we're progressing, when we're regressing, when we're stagnant, right? So I don't want my day to be dictated by a number. no granted that there is if you are able to remove that aspect and somehow not allow that number to dictate your day and simply utilize that as a way to to track progress but not every day because you're not going your your your body fluctuates within a day from day to day but if you're measuring yourself maybe in like at the most like weekly increments but even then if you're you if your number if the number doesn't hit your expectations exactly one week of hard work and you're like i didn't see the results you may feel defeated and then start binge eating exactly and feeling like ah what's the point of this point i worked so hard because progress takes time yeah it takes a long time to put muscle on easier when you're a beginner right because your body's going to respond right away because it's something new and then a little bit harder if you're more advanced um lifter or person that works out but progress takes time whether it is gaining muscle or losing weight and that's that's the thing i think that that's why most people quit because they don't see uh that progress in the short term and it takes three to six months months to see true results and people mostly drop a new program within the first like eight weeks i think there's statistics like 50-65 % of people will quit in the first three to six months of starting a workout program.

37:14And then if it's like New Year's, it's like 80 % of the people will quit. I have this. It says a study show that 88 % of people who set New Year's resolutions fail. They fail within the first two weeks. I'm curious, what do you think is the biggest barrier to maintaining goals then so that people don't fail so quickly when they start? I think the first thing it is like those unrealistic expectations. Set realistic goals. For me, if you are just starting out, if this is something completely new, is set that goal of just showing up. Show up every day. Create that consistency. Consistency is the primary goal that maybe somebody should aim for in my in my eyes aim for that consistency every day day in and day out to then bring you to to carry you to that point where you have created a new um a new habit and it takes time to create habit I mean there was a misconception of like taking 21 days actually it's much longer than that I mean 21 days is a good starting point because it's a little bit more than the two weeks yeah but uh if you're really wanting to solidify a habit especially when it comes to working out it's like a little bit over two months some people say 66 days but yeah i love what you're saying about this because if everyone could focus on making the goal of making the process the goal as opposed to the results the goal they would live a better life exactly process is the goal yeah process is the goal it's so hard though i mean i've been in that I've probably been on a, I don't know, two year, almost two years ago.

39:00I, you know, COVID hit. I was training a lot before then, then COVID and breakup, emotional stress, kind of all that stuff, like just life happened where I gained a lot of weight for myself. Right. And I was like 255 at my heaviest, but just didn't feel good. Right. I'm six four. So I'm a big guy. It doesn't like look like obese but it just didn't feel good right and then two years ago I really got consistent in the training and I'm down at 225 ish so I've dropped a lot of weight but I'm still not where I want to be but it's like but I'm training so hard and even me knowing as an athlete that it just takes time but kind of like letting go of the expectation or the goal of like this is where I want it to be yeah I can still have that vision of my mind but a lot of it is the acknowledgement of showing up and just say, did I do the right thing today?

39:54Exactly. Did I do the right things for my health, for my mind, for my future self today? Exactly. And the results will eventually come if I keep showing up for me. Absolutely. And, but it's, it's, it can take a while, you know, to get the results you want. And so I love what you're talking about. Make the process, the goal, not the result. and and are you comparing yourself to this image that you you had or you were at some point you know yeah it's like 22 and I'm like an elite athlete yeah yeah can you be the best version of yourself that you could possibly be now yeah it is hard it is hard because we unfortunately have my body is memory from a year ago from two years really absolutely it and it happens but am In my power, can I honestly say to myself that I'm doing everything that I can with regards to working out, strength training, with regards to nutrition, with regards to sleep, recovery, you know, all of the components that will bring you to that optimal self at this point in time.

41:05So that's where I'm at. Yeah, you're focused on that. That's where I'm at, yeah. That's interesting. um there seems to be like i don't know what i don't know if this is the right terminology but there seems to be trends with uh women's body sizes and types and structures since i was like you know i grew up in the 80s and 90s it was all about being super skinny then it was about you know curvy and voluptuous then it's like it seems like it's going back to skinny like it It seems like there's these trends in the culture. Why do you think that, first off, is that accurate that there are trends for women in the way that their body is supposed to look?

41:48If so, why does that change for women over the years? There is definitely trending. There's been, like you said, you know, I agree with you that there's been, you know, the trend of being skinny and then curvaceous. And I don't know that it's necessarily being thin again. I hope not. being like fit and strong yeah i think there's a movement there's a true movement um with being being like strong being strong and i love and appreciate all the doctors that are coming forward and sharing their their data on how strength and and having as much muscle as possible is healthy for a woman, not just quality of life now, but in their later years.

42:37I think, yeah, I think a lot of these studies and these doctors that are coming forward with women-specific, because I think a lot of the studies have been done on men, but with women-specific studies that show that importance. So I'm hoping that that's the new trend. Yeah. And that's here to stay. Well, it's interesting because, you know, as you mentioned, when you moved to America, there was, you saw pressure from other teen girls in your school. You saw media, marketing, you know, whatever it might be, campaigns of like celebrities that you see look a certain way. Yeah. But you're also a trainer for Kim Kardashian right now, and you have been for a while.

43:18And I'm assuming you're around a lot of top celebrities as well in that world. Yeah. how do you navigate knowing that you're working with a very influential woman that women look up to women want to look like women want to you know emulate maybe they feel comparison to or a lack of comparison that they can't live up to the way she might look or something like that or just other celebrities in general how do you navigate I guess your work with someone like that while also understanding that there's a 15 year old out there who was once like you that maybe sees her and wants to be like her and then does that help her inspire her to eat healthier and train or is it like let me go you know extreme food deprivation like I don't know how do you navigate just that in your mind honestly that was one of the main reasons why accepted to work with Kim is because she does have this influence and she decided that she wanted to step into her strength and build muscle and maintain that muscle because also she realized that muscle is important for her health and longevity not just aesthetically speaking and for me that was an opportunity to help her but also help other women that she is influencing Obviously, her reach is way bigger than mine is.

44:48So that was one of my biggest driving factors for working with her and other celebrities that I have is to send a message of strength to the women out there. That strength is beautiful. Strength is health and quality longevity. So that's, to me, that was, yeah, I see that as a positive, having a positive effect on women. because you you see kim leaning into strength training more absolutely that's what you're working with absolutely she loves it i mean that's not and she always do that before no she didn't it was more cardio and pilates and and things like that which again everything has a place and a space and a time but in my opinion humble opinion and i think research backs it up strength training is queen right um what if what if you're the list if you're i mean we don't have to speak about her that much but what have you noticed in i guess over a year of strength training with kim kardashian about maybe just confidence levels or things like that has anything changed because she's been a pretty confident person already she's got you know massive businesses she's got a lot of success like has she shared that anything you're allowed to share or we noticed something like that or yeah i mean she she with all the confidence that she already has she feels definitely more confident and she can't wait to train with me really yeah it's it's amazing you know if she per chance happens to not be training for a few days because of her very demanding schedule you know um she's like i can't wait to train so that to me is like music to my ears to to hear that somebody has uh has has made that leap and is has leaned into strength training and i've seen her and i you know to me again it's not as much about aesthetics but about you know form like you know walking around and doing things with great form injury prevention injury prevention and and all of that so it's beautiful i mean we're here in la and it seems to be kind of like a hub of extremes here and specifically with like weight loss drugs or these zempic type drugs and things like that um and it seems to be it's popular in la you know i don't know i don't know people who are on them or not on them i don't like know these things but i see extreme weight shifts in certain women after a few months and i'm like maybe that's drug free maybe Yeah, so Zempic, I have no idea.

47:27What is the, what's your thoughts on the pros and cons of something like, you know, Zempic or these weight loss drugs specifically for women? First starting point for me is always, have you tried doing it naturally, right? So are you able to? Because some people are just not able to get to that point, right? So for me, it's like starting with the attainable things that you can naturally, like nutrition and working out. And if that hasn't worked and you are, as a matter of fact, somebody that is a candidate for that drug, then there's more and more research that shows that that can be helpful in a lot of aspects, not just losing weight, but health-wise.

48:14um so and with any other therapies pharmaceutical therapies i'm not necessarily opposed to them but there's a place and time for them so for me it's like have you tried the foundation which again we know is eating right and working out getting enough sleep exactly meditating for me meditating is huge um did i mention everything yeah so like if you are if you're focusing on on having those that foundation and you still are struggling then maybe it's time to talk to a professional to see if that is um something that is that would be of benefit i know that again there has been studies out there with drastic weight loss i'm not on board with that so if it's happening even with a zempic if you're utilizing it and you're experiencing drastic weight loss that is not healthy because you're losing not just fat but you're losing lots of muscle in that process really but if it's done to with kind of micro dosing again is what studies show is that you're able to maintain muscle mass while slowly losing weight that's interesting yeah is i mean yeah it just seems like a lot of people just have lost weight really quickly is what it seems like again i don't know who's using it or who's not using it it's like it's hard for me to tell but it seems like that's what's been happening and that scares me but that's it is super scary that that is scary the drastic weight loss no matter what way it's done if it's a drastic weight loss and if it's done because you're restricting your food intake and you're working out like crazy or whether you're doing something like GLP-1, like a Zempig, then that's not good.

50:06Yeah. That is not good. This is an interesting question I have for you, Sinatra. I'm curious. When you know that also women, I don't want to say all women, but there's a tendency that women may compare themselves to other women. And you have content out there that may seem unattainable for a lot of women. Right. I don't know if that's what you're hearing or maybe someone said that, but I can only imagine some woman is scrolling Who's not healthy or not fit or maybe like not confident themselves? And they see some of your videos and they're like this woman is a superwoman like Someone may maybe that really inspired by that and say Awesome, that's an example that I can lean into and I can follow her programming and I can maybe one day be like that in my own way whereas other women might say gosh dang it she's like too good looking or she's too fit or she's too shredded like how is she even I could never do that how do you navigate the uncertainty that women might have to feel like they'll never be as strong or fit or lean as you or be able to do the workouts the way you do them so effortlessly based on what it may look like for them versus i'm here to empower and inspire women not show them show them that they're not enough yeah how do you navigate that personally it's to me like that my intention is to never have anybody compare me to them and and have them feel bad about themselves like that that would absolutely that is not my intention like my goal and my desire is to empower women to step into their strength to feel the strongest that they possibly can to embrace their their musculature their strong bodies to embrace that so for me um that's been my desire to kind of embody this strong person with muscle so that women feel empowered to aim to build muscle and to look in the best way a version of themselves not me obviously I have a different genetic makeup you know than somebody else like we were genetically and bio but we're biodiverse we're genetically diverse so So it might be unrealistic for some women to aim to look exactly like me, but nobody should want to aim to look exactly like somebody else.

52:47So I always, and I say this in my posts, is I aim to be the strongest version of yourself, the best version of yourself, and not utilize me as a comparison, but rather as hopefully an inspiration of a woman that was struggling throughout her entire life and now has embraced her strength and my abilities. And it took years. You know, it took years. So I didn't suddenly wake up, lift it a couple of weights, and I'm here. I never, I didn't always have great form. You know, that's one of the things that people always praise, like great form. How are you able to do that? I didn't wake up doing that.

53:29It was just years of practice, years of kind of perfecting my craft to be able to do that. With this much awareness and attention about who you are now from the last, I guess, eight years, I think you've been on social media that you said like, and just the following and the views you get and the attention you get. 2019, actually. 2019. Okay. Six years. Six years ago. Six years. I mean, it's been no one knew who you were in the last six years. A lot of people know who you are. And you're working with one of the biggest celebrities in the world. What has that been like for you psychologically or emotionally to deal with?

54:07Now everyone's critiquing you, whether it be positive or negative. And you're working with big celebrities. How has that been for you as a human? I think the biggest, the threshold that scared me the most was hitting 100 ,000 followers. It was like, whoa, there's 100 ,000 people that are looking at what I do. And then for some reason, it kind of normalized after that. It doesn't really. So every million, it's like, okay, just another million. Yeah, yeah. No, now that I take it for granted by any means, I'm so grateful for the platform, for my audience. I never take it for granted, but it doesn't have that, you know, fear.

54:47correlated with it you know it's it's not um because i know what i'm doing i know what i'm saying i feel to a certain degree so it doesn't when when i was just first starting out obviously you're still kind of building your confidence and and and navigating that so um but to kind of go back to i think what you were asking like how has that affected me personally in the beginning you do deal with a lot of this person said that so now you know am I really that or and then you just learned at least I have learned to to see that as not a reflection of who I am I know who I am I know the message that I'm trying to portray and I know you know that I'm there for service you know that's what makes a purposeful life is being of service to others and that's I don't get emotional but that's what fulfills me is like being of service and providing as much service as i can to as many people as i can especially women because um i'm a woman and uh was you know i'm in a household of women i have two younger sisters so that always has been kind of keeping in mind what my goal is and who i am and not being affected by people that will will try to speak negatively in the process when do you start to think about your life of being in service to help others when did I start to that was that like something earlier in your life or was that in the last six years like I want to start like really adding value and trying to serve people whether that's five people or five yeah I think that's always been I think it came within the territory of it's like experiencing depression I think that's you know I I think that sense of purpose is linked to depression somehow.

56:41So I was struggling with that for a while. How old were you? I mean, I went to business school. I got a master's in business. And I did all of this accomplishment, graduated summa cum laude with the highest honors in three years and then in one year for my business degree. So, you know, I was accumulating all of these accolades and and it just wasn't adding up. Like it wasn't feel it wasn't fulfilling to me because it wasn't, you know, it didn't feel like it was coming from a sense of like of purpose or of service rather to the greater good. And now where I am at, knowing what strength training and nurturing myself in all aspects, nutrition, like we were talking, sleep, meditation, and recovery, like knowing what that has done for me, for my mental health, that's been kind of my driving factor to bring that to the world.

57:45and yeah. Wow. How long did you feel like you were experiencing depression for or your mental health was struggling? It started when I was in my teens, you know, like I said, with dealing with the eating disorders and then realizing that there was like a sense, there was depression that was going hand in hand with that and anxiety. And, you know, as I say, those monsters in the closet never go away you just develop better tools to to to to manage them to manage them so for me working out is one of my main tools in my tool belt that you know i'm feeling a certain way i know i'm going to go get a workout and it's going to to shift my day everything so there are those moments where i absolutely don't feel like working out but i know what i will achieve on the other side of that so that's I think one of my main motivating factors along with wanting to be independent in my later years wanting to have a quality of life and longevity that I can rely on I think the other one is I don't I don't want to feel depressed I don't want to feel anxious I don't want to deal with those things that I know I am predisposed to deal with so you can override those that's just like the hand that you're dealt sure but it's like what tools and your tool belt do you utilize to best deal absolutely yeah wow what do you feel like is your biggest insecurity or fear now um i guess i'm always i always think am i giving my best self to my audience to the people that I influence that is always my the thing that if there is one thing that keeps me up at night is it's that it's am I providing the best value that I possibly can out there to the world so that's that's the one thing that I always strive to to do better that's why I launched the WeRise app I re so I had an app prior to that and I relaunched and rebranded last January so we're coming up on a year and i'm always striving to make it better whether it's like with the latest research and and what it'll be it'll it'll be lights light years ahead of what it is now because we're really aiming for it to be a female empowerment and development platform not just the fitness app well and uh and yeah that's that's what we strive every day to perfect how do you how do you navigate not falling back into an obsessive perfectionist critical state versus progress consistency and a healthy balance when you have that type of like older personality it's like how do you make sure you don't go into that in extremes with work you know body you know perfection in a different way yeah you're just more conscious of that self-talk you're just more conscious of those patterns i think that's with everything you just become conscious of the way that you talk to yourself conscious of negative past patterns and then you of course correct and it is it is good enough it is it is good because as we were talking about earlier you know great and perfection can be the enemy of good so i'm always conscious of that to not aim for perfection but to aim for value and and good yeah have you ever done like uh therapy also emotional therapy instead of you know workout therapy i have i have i have um what's been the biggest takeaway from that for you or biggest lessons?

1:01:44I'll be honest therapy for me has been. Didn't work for you? Not as much as working. Sure. But it works for a lot of people. It has, it has, it's been a long time, honestly, um, since I've been in therapy and I definitely promoted like, yes, do therapy. It's definitely great. Like I said, all of these are just tools that we accumulate and then we use and whatever words best for you for me it's been more self-therapy yeah I read a lot of I've read a ton of self-help books I've read you know books that you'd read at a in a collegiate level you know and that's how I self-educate and that's how I self-help and self-actualize and analyze maybe it's a good time to say I've also done plant medicine and that has been huge help for me and and kind of being my own therapist because that's the best way that I can describe plant medicine is being your own therapist seeing yourself from the outside and looking at your patterns and looking at everything from a different perspective, kind of removed from that ego self.

1:03:01Do you have a relationship with God or a spiritual practice? I have a relationship with God, yeah. I don't know that if it's in the context of the religion in a sense, or maybe it is inclusive of all of that. I just believe in the Creator being the Creator for all of us, one loving Creator that is good and wants what's best for us, and that is not judging, but that is loving. What do you think God wants for you moving forward? to continue doing this work and to really um actualize that i am of of help and service to others you know because i i do at times struggle with that like i was saying before am i doing my best am i really being of service to to humanity to others so i think really leaning into that that yes, you know, if I actually help just one person, that that is a life fulfilled.

1:04:22If I've changed, course corrected somebody's path, even by a small percentage, then that is an accomplishment. That's beautiful. Yeah. Where do you think you'd be? Do you think you'd be as happy and healthy if you didn't have a relationship with God or a spiritual practice? I think it's good to have somewhat of a relationship with whatever you believe kind of that higher power to be. I think it's something to lean on. I think it's something to lean on. And for people, it's different. For everybody, it's different what that could be or look like and what image you have in your mind. But whatever gives you that comfort that you're here for a reason.

1:05:09Yeah. Yeah. Did you have a spiritual relationship when you were in your teens and early 20s and struggling with the depression and things? My grandma raised me to be religious and say prayers every night. And I think I lost that a little bit. And now I'm back at saying my prayers every night. Do you feel more peace now? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, yeah. That's beautiful. That's beautiful. Yeah. Your parents still around? Yeah, they are. They are. My parents have my two younger sisters. They're all in New York. They're all in New York? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, they're still around. What's the biggest lesson both your mom and your dad taught you?

1:05:59My dad taught me to be strong and to persevere and to... yeah, he never complained. He never complained. He went from being a doctor back in Albania to being a janitor when he came to the United States, even though we're legally here and everything. But that's what he had to do. He knew English, but he knew to put his ego aside and just do what needed to be done to support his family. and um from my mom is to like that that compassionate spirit and also even though it led to some things that weren't so positive in my life like that that striving to be the best also led to where i am today i believe so yeah i thank her for that wow that's beautiful What's the biggest lesson Kim's taught you?

1:06:58She's a hard worker sometimes. I thought I was a hard worker. So, yeah, she inspires me in that way to be a hard worker. And beautifully balances that with having a family and having four children and spending quality time with them. So having that balance, that's inspirational. that's cool that's cool uh you've got an app called the we rise app how many women are in this community right now in this in this app oh my gosh i need to where is it bring the help thousands thousands of women yeah thousands of women tens of thousands of women are all over the world all over the world that are achieving their best strongest selves and i'm so excited for it what do they get in the app what what's their what yeah what are these women working on well what they're working on what they get in the app what yeah what's it what they so whatever experience level that you're in so if you're beginner intermediate advanced if you're working out from home or the gym there is a program that is for them and whether they want something to get started like a 20-minute follow-along that i'm with them every step of the way and kind of guide them through um they they got that on there so i think for every kind of walk of life there is something in the app and there is a meal planning and recipes and macro tracking uh right now we currently have an expert nutritionist and expert habits first she actually is one of like the four phds in the world that um that that works with with habits to just help people establish good habits get rid of habits that don't serve them anymore and then on nutrition side you know speaking about like what are macros sure and then how do we ensure that we you know intake enough protein and all that and that's just the beginning we have huge plans that's great yeah well where can they go to sign up for that we arise dot xyz okay awesome i'm sure it's in your bio it's on my bio yeah i'm not wearing the clothing but i also have a clothing line calls in toe on okay um making women slightly a little bit more motivated by wearing some cute workout clothes there you go yeah to work out but um yeah yeah that's great what um what can we do to be of best service to you moving forward with this community or people watching or listening right now spread the word spread the word of strength, spread the word that aesthetics will come as long as you put in the work to aim for health and longevity.

1:09:48Yeah. Yeah. And what's the best place to find you on social media? What's your Instagram for people to follow? Sonata da Greca. Sonata da Greca. Sonata da Greca. Yeah. See, you see how much I love self-promoting? You know, in this whole conversation, this is probably like the most kind of slightly uncomfortable I've felt. Because I don't like self-promoting. But yeah, without self-promoting, I guess what is of service, then you don't get people to take advantage of that. That's true. Yeah. Where do you think you'd be if you didn't start putting content online six years ago? If I didn't? If you did not.

1:10:31I don't want to think of them like the famous jobs that I've done because it was not fun. But I would do something. I would be in this space. I would be in this space somehow because I'm so passionate about it. So if I didn't have a presence, such a large presence in social media, I would probably do it in a small fashion. Even if it was, you know, outside of the nine to five, which I was doing actually before my, my, I was teaching yoga classes and I was training on the side while having my, my nine to five. And then, you know, I love that aspect so much, which is what led me to, to, to kind of start doing this and putting myself out there, putting my workouts out there.

1:11:19And one thing led to another. So you were doing it on the side. You had a full-time job. I had a full-time job, but then I was teaching yoga classes. You weren't teaching strength training. And a little bit of strength training as well, yeah. It has advanced from that point, that starting point to where it is now. But I was doing that on the side and obviously doing my workouts. And then I decided, let's just put it out there. Like, whatever I'm doing every day, and you could see probably things have shifted from earlier on until now, but just put it out there every day. Get up in the morning, do my workout, film it as I'm doing a workout and to see where it leads.

1:12:04When did you start to notice that like, oh, this is starting to take off? Like the content I'm posting daily, like, oh, it's actually getting out there and it's resonating with women. Yeah, I mean, pretty fast it started to happen. I mean, it didn't shift from like, I think I had like 2 ,000 followers in 2019 when I started, if I'm one or 2 ,000 when I first started. And it started to happen gradually and then exponentially after that. I think that first period of like getting to a few thousand was probably like the hardest because it's like working out, you know. It's consistency and you don't see a ton of results.

1:12:44But then you stay with it because you don't, you know, you just can't tell the future. You can't predict it from just that short period of time. So like with anything else, consistency, consistency, consistency. So now I've got a couple of final questions for you, but this is powerful. Thanks for sharing and being so open today. I appreciate it. Of course. This is a question I ask everyone towards the end. It's called the three truths. So it's a hypothetical scenario and question. Imagine you get to live as long as you want to live and you get to accomplish every dream you have. But for whatever reason, you have to take all of your content with you when you die.

1:13:21So we don't have access to the videos you posted, this interview. It's all gone. Anything you create from this moment moving forward, it's gone. Your app, it's gone. For whatever reason, hypothetical. But on the last day of your life, you get to leave behind three lessons to the world. And this is all we would have to remember your content by. Call it three truths. What would those be for you? I think the biggest thing for me is to do everything from a place of love so whatever you're trying to achieve achieve it and aim for it from a place of love aim to be the fullest version of yourself and not that of somebody else but the fullest version of yourself and the third would be to treat everybody in a way that, I don't know if necessarily you want to be treated yourself, but in a way that I believe in the higher self, in the higher, the higher self would, would want you to treat, or God, if you will, will want you to treat the, the fellow man and woman with, with just compassion and love and understanding stepping aside from judgments and what you have been taught to to perceive yeah that's beautiful create from love aim to be the fullest version of you and treat others with your kind of your highest self in mind that's great that's beautiful I want to acknowledge you Sonata for your transformation and your ability to be consistent and it sounds like it's very challenging leaving one country coming to this place and just having to deal with all the pressures of society of school of parents and you needing to be the parent as a teenager that's a lot of weight emotionally and physically so i want to acknowledge you for overcoming that challenge and overcoming the depression and the sadness and the anxiety and the stress that you faced and for starting to tap into the healthiest version of you and being consistent with that version of you, letting go of your old comparison ways and stepping into how can I just be my happiest, fullest self.

1:15:46So I acknowledge you for putting yourself out there also, you know, six years ago, deciding to say, Hey, I'm going to put my content out there and start to serve people the best way I can. And if it helps one person or millions of people, I'm just going to do it consistently. So I acknowledge you for, for all of it. And, um, And I appreciate you for opening up so honestly during this conversation. Thank you so much. I appreciate you saying that. Yeah, of course. I appreciate you having me here today. It was a very enjoyable conversation. Thank you. It's beautiful. One final question, Sonata. What's your definition of greatness?

1:16:24I think it's embodying, again, the true fullest version of yourself while being of service to others to the fullest capacity that you are able to. It's beautiful. Sonata, thank you so much for being here. I appreciate it. Thank you so much. I appreciate it. Thank you for having me. Of course. Thank you so much for listening to this episode. If you enjoyed this and if you found value, make sure to share this with one friend. Just copy and paste the link and text a friend where you feel would be truly inspired by this episode as well. And also make sure to click the follow button on Apple or Spotify, wherever you're listening to this episode because we have a massive episode coming up next that I do not want you to miss.

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