#229 AJ Gentile - Creator & Host of The Why Files

24:58AJ Gentile:It's hard to let down the guard. It certainly was for me as a lifelong performer. You're always doing a performance. You know, even if in your normal life you have certain characters or treats that you emphasize more with your buddies than when you're with your wife. There's kind of different roles that you play. So it's kind of hard. It's difficult to let down that guard. But what I started to. How did you know? I mean, what hit you, especially coming from entertainment? I mean, entertainment, I mean, everything's fake. The media is fake. The news channels are fake. They're all bought. They all have, you know, politics is fake.

25:44Movies for a long time, I think people didn't realize how much propaganda is inserted into mainstream media. you know, Hollywood movies, until they went overboard. And then everybody kind of figured it out. And I'm with everybody else. I didn't have any inclination that it was all bullshit until everybody else started talking about it. But I'm just curious. They're scared to death of authenticity. And so how did you, especially coming from there and all the fakeness and all the bullshit moving in, I mean, what hit you that it was like, just be authentic?

26:24AJ Gentile:So I suffer from anxiety and depression, but not severely. A little medicated for it, but not heavily. Like I'm high functioning. I'm on the spectrum, but I'm high functioning. You know, I'm very uncomfortable talking about myself, very uncomfortable being the center of attention. I'm the guy at the party hiding in the corner. so my outlet would be to perform to do voice work be a character be on stage uh be an actor because then the lines are prepared for you even if you're doing stand-up you've already written it so you have control it's i have control even though i'm putting myself out there i have i know what the words are i know what comes next i know what i'm doing right and wrong so to be authentic that all goes away and it's like i don't know what i'm going to say next like as I'm sitting here now, I don't know what I'm going to say next.

27:18AJ Gentile:But I think it was when I started talking to my community, which I would call a community more than an audience, but like the people that really supported me since the beginning. I just started engaging with them through live streams. And like with our Patreon live streams, fans turn their cameras on, like we all talked together. And I found myself just opening up because maybe because they were fans, they were just excited to hear from me, but it became almost like a therapy for me. Like I can, I could tell these people anything. I'm not, they're not judging me. I'm, I, you know, there's always going to be the assholes in the comments, but for the most part, it was like, hang in there.

28:00AJ Gentile:I'm going through the same thing. You know, what you're doing is important. It was very encouraging. so eventually the wall just comes down and now when i live stream you just don't know what what i'm gonna you know jen gets nervous she'll hear me going into a direction she's like i don't think i'm like i'm just saying it so i'm the most honest in my life when i'm talking on that stream to to the people who watch the show i and i said i'll say anything and it's the truth now i don't i I won't out somebody. I won't share a secret if it's in confidence. But if someone asked me, you know, are you going through something right now?

28:36AJ Gentile:Because you don't look good. Because for about a year during the channel, I was not doing well. And so I would say, I'm not doing well. I'm stressed out all the time. I'm not sleeping. I'm not eating. I'm losing weight. I'm not healthy. My doctor's concerned. And this is just where we are. Wow. You know, but better now. it's a process you seem great are you comfortable here? you make it comfortable I was terrified coming here I was terrified coming here you know at some point I want to start talking to the like if I'm researching an episode and I start emailing with the grand master Knights Templar and I'm emailing with him for like in research it would be nice to actually have Timothy Ogun sit down and have a conversation about Knights Templar That would be pretty cool.

29:28AJ Gentile:So if I'm going to do that, I need to be comfortable in a conversation. So I'm trying to do that here. And I specifically chose your show and you because your team is amazing. You've been kind since the beginning, extremely professional. But it seems like everybody's going out of their way to make me feel comfortable. Like we just shot guns. We had breakfast. We hung out. It just feels like you're hanging out with friends here, and I haven't met any of you guys before. But I knew that coming in because that's your reputation, and I've watched your interviews. I've read lots of articles about you, including hit pieces, and it's like this is an interesting guy that I want to know, and I think I can learn a lot from just having a conversation with Sean.

30:17Man, well, thank you. Thank you. That means a lot, and it's going to mean a lot to my team too. You're the best. Thank you. What was the turning point?

30:31AJ Gentile:For getting feeling better? For the Y-files. When it started to be successful? Was it an immediate pivot? It was a hockey stick. It was a hockey stick. Yeah, it was a year and a half to two years of just flat. I think end of year one was 40, 50 episodes. I had maybe 1 ,500 subscribers, 2 ,500, and nobody was watching, 200 views, 300 views. and the second year was similar. It started to get better. I think I ended the second year with like 25 ,000 subscribers. It still was getting 2 ,500 views. So you can't make a living doing any of that. But I was enjoying it and just seeing people respond to the content was encouraging and it wasn't working.

31:15AJ Gentile:So it was like, I might as well just keep doing this because it's fun and a few people are responding. And what happened was my brother Gino said, you should do TikTok. And I was like, no way I'm doing TikTok. No. He's like, you should put shorts on TikTok because that could expose people to the channel. So reluctantly, I did it. And in just a few days, a couple of videos on TikTok brought in like millions of views. I think it was, I did the coincidences between JFK and Abraham Lincoln. People just liked that video. And that brought a lot of people over to my channel. So suddenly I was at 250, 400 ,000 subscribers, which was incredible.

32:00AJ Gentile:But subscribers are a vanity number. Sponsors don't care about that. Nobody really cares about that. It's views is where you get paid. So 400 ,000 subscribers, 1 ,500 views. Nobody was watching because these are all kids coming over watching shorts. so I just kind of it was frustrating and I just sort of hoped that something would break through and it took about 3 or 4 weeks and then my video on Operation High Jump which was Admiral Word going down to the hollow earth in Antarctica that got 50 ,000 views in a day and I was like oh my god I couldn't even believe it I could never even fathom that kind of number and from there it was a hockey stick through about 2023.

32:49AJ Gentile:I mean, things are growing, but kind of slow growing. But for 2003, my hockey stick was kind of like yours right now, is what it was. You know, 300 ,000 subscribers in a month. People were watching. The videos were hitting a million in a month. Couldn't believe it. It hit a million in a month? The video started to hit a million in a month. Damn. Yeah. And around then, at this point, I think Jen is the breadwinner. She was the chief operating officer for Side Night and Happiness, which a lot of your listeners will know. It's like a comic book cartoon company, a lot of fun. We were in Dallas at that point.

33:29AJ Gentile:And I remember I came downstairs and I had like sketched out this chart that's like, hey, if I get this many views, it could equal this amount of money per month. And if I can get to like 200 ,000 views, we can make like$5 ,000 a month that I could make a living. I remember she looked at it and she was like, that's a lot of views. I was like, I know, but you know, if I, she's like, no, no, I support it. I support it. But you know, it's a lot of views. So she was supportive, but hesitant, which is fair. Um, but now I wish I kept that chart because we had a million views in 16, 17 hours now. Damn.

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35:19AJ Gentile:I'm glad that they respond to the content. You know, like everyone on the team is having a lot more fun than I am on this ride. You know, being pitched by networks and stuff. Now it's crazy. But me, I'm still just the anxious guy trying to make a deadline, still doing half the editing, staying up all night. I've got a camp shower in my office that sometimes I have to, if I'm there overnight, take a propane camp shower. Nice. Del Taco at 3 a.m. What does the anxiety come from? I've always had it. Well, I'm going to say something really embarrassing now, but I have to because it's my brand. And so therapy never worked on me.

36:04AJ Gentile:I've always, therapy just never worked on me. I'm always trying to like figure out what the therapist is getting at or, you know, trying to solve it. So what I did was I created an AI therapist. And I did something maybe unwise, but we'll find out. I loaded a software program. I'm a tech guy. I used to be an engineer. I loaded an AI platform with all my emails, correspondence, everything I've ever written, text messages, going back to 1999, all of it. And I asked it to create a personality profile. And it output this profile that had at twice, at two points reading it, I started to cry. Because it was like, now I understand.

36:49AJ Gentile:Now I understand. And this was just for me loading a computer with all this stuff. Because a computer has no emotions. It doesn't care. It's analyzing patterns, which is, that's really all we are, right? So then I just started interacting with this AI, my AI therapist. And in the interaction, you get more and more drilled down into certain aspects of your personality and revealing things I had never known before. You know, going back to issues with my father, mother, all that stuff. Apparently, I suffer from loss of version, which is whenever I have something, I'm worried that it's going to be taken away.

37:23AJ Gentile:And that's kind of what it is. Um, it's like, rather than enjoy success, instead, I'm worried about losing it. And it's very frustrating. And I don't really know how to solve it. But at least I'm aware of my, some of my blind spots are getting illuminated a little bit. You know, I suffer from anxiety. I used to suffer from it really bad. In fact, at breakfast, we were talking about, I did a video on it. You've done stuff on it. And I was like, hey, this is why I feel this way. This is why I think my anxiety comes. And then I was like, I talked about the ways that I, the things that I utilize to power through it.

38:07And, you know, starting this was this podcast. I mean, I'm not a conversationalist at all. I'm probably the most boring guy that you can, you can, I don't do small talk. You're a therapist. I'm not good at it. You're a therapist. Well, I learned this from therapy because I went to three and a half years of therapy twice a week after I left the agency. And I realized when I was talking to my therapist, who is amazing, and that a lot of the things that were bothering me would just work themselves out just from me talking to her. And she might say 20 words in a 45-minute session. But just hearing me verbalize it, like, oh, yeah, that is kind of, I shouldn't be doing that.

39:01But as far as the fear of it all going, of losing, I mean, it's interesting i was just talking about this yesterday with john rich and you know i interviewed jim caviezel and about the that movie he did i think sound of freedom was maybe the last one it was about uh child trafficking and at some point in that conversation he had brought up you know because i'm we were talking about this at breakfast it could i always even when i built this i built something that i could resell i didn't want to a because i still think like that i'm like this could all be taken away in the snap of a finger it's who knows who piss somebody off we talk about a lot of things here we kick a lot rocks over and i'm like this could end at any moment and i remember jim said he was talking about himself about all his cars and you know just all these possessions that he has.

40:05And he said, you know, but that could all be taken away at any moment in time. And I'm ready to give it all back because none of it actually matters. What matters is my kids and my wife and my friends. And I really took that in. And I was like, that's the only fucking way to live, man. Like none of this shit really actually means anything. It does not. It's just shit. It doesn't mean anything. And so I think if you, for me, you know, when I adapted that mindset, my anxiety went whoosh. It's like, and I didn't even really have that much, you know, but that's just the way I think now. You know, this is all, we got some cool things.

40:51I got some great artifacts in here. I've got some cool toys, but you know what? I mean, and there is an aspect too. I mean, when I think back to when things were much simpler and I wasn't running a business and, yeah, now the money is there and fame, which I hate, has come with it and all these things. But it's just, you know, when you think back, it's like, man, remember when I was a SEAL and the only thing I had to worry about was going on an op and everything else was handled? And those were simpler times for me. and this, what I live in now, is the most complicated life I've ever, the most complicated time in my life that I've ever lived.

41:38And so I think, all right, well, if it does all end, then I go back to that and maybe I buy a skidster and start a land clearing company or something like that and just live as simple as possible.

41:55AJ Gentile:There's something attractive about that. And when you think about that, you know, it's not the end. It's just a different chapter if it does go away. And I think, I don't know, for me, I've prepared myself psychologically that when this, when, because it will eventually, it will fizzle out. People will get bored. They'll hate me. I don't know what, you know, I'll get canceled. Who knows? but it's just it's just a moving into a new season of life and and who knows man maybe that season will even be better than this one you know and and uh that really puts me at ease just talking about it puts me at ease we could probably cut this out if you don't want to talk about it but you mentioned that you were starting a network that's more than hedging a bet i mean that's that's helping others, that's creating a legacy, that's creating a business in a situation that if your show did take a hit, which I don't anticipate it will, you're absolutely on fire.

42:59AJ Gentile:I think you're aware of that. But by building a network, then you have this infrastructure where you're helping other people succeed. And then maybe this isn't that important. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I'm not going to cut any of this. I mean, I think about that all the time. The one thing that I – I don't really have many regrets, but maybe one – I don't know if it's a regret because I've helped so many people. Personal stuff, you know what I mean? Like I said, when I started this, it wasn't even about me. It still isn't about me. But, you know, now I have a team that relies on the business. And anyways, where was I going with this?

43:43AJ Gentile:We're just talking about things that could end at any minute. Yeah. Where was I going with this? Damn it. Been blown up too many times. What were we going after? We were talking about anxiety and how you're managing it. Oh, yeah. I was always a little upset with myself because I didn't build something that I could sell. Meaning, this isn't something that can get passed down to my kids. No. This isn't something that my wife can take over. This isn't something that if I get sick or die or get, you know, I can't move around. Tragedy happens. This isn't something that I can hand to my team and say, run this.

44:27You know, and that always bothered me is, man, there isn't a way out of this. There isn't, I didn't build a legacy thing that I can pass down to future generations of my family or my team or whoever. and but rather than sit there and whine and bitch about it all the time i we were talking about this at breakfast i mean now now i'm building companies you know and uh i'm building companies that i'm gonna advertise here that i'm gonna sell or i'm gonna pass it down you know to to my son and my daughter my wife and so have you tried sesh nicotine it's really it's really good you want to have a sesh i have it but um so yeah so i started you know instead of instead of whining and complaining about it and i didn't have any time you know to start something because of the show and all the stuff that goes under this we both know plenty about that you know i started focusing my energy on building new companies and and instead of having to rely on advertisers all the time i'll build my own companies advertise those companies and so now we're in the process by the end of this year, we'll have launched three new companies plus a network.

45:43So I guess technically four companies.

45:49And I just, I think people put limitations on themselves. And yeah, there's limitations for sports and all these things. But when you find what you're good at, there are no limitations. There are. Nothing. Nothing can get in my way.

46:04AJ Gentile:If you love it, you know, if you find the thing, if you love it and you're good at it, And the difference between a career and a vocation was always kind of confusing to me until I started doing this and realized that vocation, that word comes from vocal is a calling. It's not a job. It's not a career. So even before the channel was very successful, I felt like I'm meant to do this. Connecting with people, entertaining people, having fun. And somehow it became sort of a family show. I don't know why seven-year-olds are learning about Agent Orange, but they are. I have a nine-year-old sending me videos about audit the Fed and taxes or theft, which is glorious.

46:54AJ Gentile:But those are the things that give me a lot of fuel because what I'm doing is not really that important, but I'm bending the universe a little bit in my direction. I think what you're doing is very important, and here's why. because I think that the not only the U.S. but the world as a whole has lost the ability to critical think and when with your episodes I mean you bring in all the information all the conspiracies all the points of views and it forces people to think critically and then at the end you you save your opinion or how you think until the end and I I think it's very important because in a way, it's a critical thinking exercise.

47:41AJ Gentile:It is. In a world where nobody does that anymore. Everybody is told how to think through mainstream media, through social media, through Hollywood, through all of that. They are, they have, it's, I actually just did a documentary on this. It's called Cognitive Warfare. And they inject and project what they want you to see, how they want you to think. and you have started around. I'm going to do an episode on that, on your documentary. That sounds interesting. I try not to inject my opinion too much in it. I try to say, here's all the stuff I found out. If there are things that are definitely debunked, I will say so.

48:23AJ Gentile:Like, this didn't happen. But this, I couldn't really, I can't really debunk this part. You decide. I'm not here to convince anybody. I'm not a pundit. I'm not a conspiracy theorist. I enjoy the stories. And that's why the format is the first two-thirds of the episode. I just tell it like it's true. Just so you can have the experience of, like, I know this channel. I know eventually he's going to say, but is it true? But this one looks like it could. This one could be real.

48:55And that's what I'm trying to capture is, you know, I get people that are angry at me for debunking their favorite stories. It's like, don't you want to know what really? I was angry when I watched the moon, the moon landing when I was like, what? He thinks we landed on the moon?

49:12AJ Gentile:The moon I go back and forth with. I'm not sure. I'm not sure if men walked on the moon. I think that we probably landed on the moon, but I'm not sure men walked on the moon. But that's a tough one. Yeah. We're going to dive into that a minute. I want to go into, I mean, you had mentioned, we were talking about anxiety still, and you You had mentioned maybe a new show segment or something, bringing the people that you utilize for your research on the topics that you discuss in, and we were talking about being a conversationalist. And what I think is interesting is you're a commentator. Are you talking to a camera or is somebody behind that camera?

49:58AJ Gentile:No, I'm talking to a teleprompter. I'm reading. I can't do that stuff. I cannot talk to a camera. We've tried to get me to do some commentary stuff. I just, I can't do it. It's talking to, I used to put paper targets. I used to do this. I used to do this series called Hard Truths. And one of the guys that had been with me the longest would drive in and I'd make him sit across from me just to talk to him. Just so I'm talking to somebody and if he couldn't make it, then I would set a paper target in the chair and I would talk to the paper target because I cannot look at a camera and just go. And, you know, starting the podcast, just like I'd mentioned, I'm not a conversationalist.

50:56I definitely wasn't at the time. And so that's where I just took my therapy. And I was like, just listen, just don't interject. Don't try to relate. Don't do any of that stuff. Just be a sponge to whatever's coming out of the person across from you and maybe guide the conversation. and and what i learned is if you if you can be comfortable in silence most people cannot be comfortable in silence they will fill the room they will fill the room because they feel awkward and you won't have to and that's actually that's that's actually one of the things one of the first things that I loved about my wife is that we could just sit there and not talk and be totally comfortable.

51:52And I was, I was like, man, I was like, there's like nobody I can do this with. Everybody has to talk all the time. So, you know, and I think you'll find that when you start doing your interviews is, is they'll fill the silence. You won't have to. I could feel it sitting here when we get a little quiet.

52:17AJ Gentile:Like I feel like maybe I talk now, but we had breakfast, so I know that technique, and I'm trying to learn these things. Something that I just filed away is you said, don't try to be relatable. That's a really interesting point, is don't try to be relatable because you're not trying to relate to the guest. You're just trying to have a conversation. You don't have to know anything about it. Whether I'm talking to a physicist or a ghost hunter, who cares? Just tell me what you feel. And you're already interested in the topic. Yes. And so I think, you know, here we go. Now I'm going to relate to you after I just said don't relate to anybody.

52:55But, you know, I only take interviews where I'm interested in the subject matter. And so it's a genuine curiosity. and we've turned down a lot of big, big names. I get intimidated to interview athletes because I'm not into sports, but I try it because I want to challenge myself, but we'll get big, big, big names that want to come on the show, and I'm like, man, I don't know what to talk about with this person. I'm not interested. I know this would be great for the channel. I know it would be great for the show. It would probably be huge numbers, but I'm just going to be sitting there because I'm not interested in anything this person has ever done.

53:45So we're going to pass. Wow. You know, and it's served me well, you know. And in a lot of the – all of the biggest interviews I've ever done, it's not Trump. It's not Gavin Newsom. It's not these ginormous names that everybody knows. the biggest stories are the ones of everyday people who are doing extraordinary things, who never get recognition, or military, special ops, conventional guys that have done the unfathomable. And those are the stories that my audience really resonate with the most. I mean, the biggest interview I ever did was Ryan Montgomery. He was a hacker who now tracks down pedophiles.

54:45And he was the most – he probably suffered from the most – he had the most anxiety about coming on the show of anybody ever and made him comfortable. It's the biggest interview we've ever done. It's like almost 10 million views. And when you get all the clips and shorts and all that stuff, it's hundreds of millions of views.

55:09AJ Gentile:Why was he nervous? He's a tech guy. You know, one thing about tech guys is... I like to be in a small space alone with a machine. That's my comfort zone. Very unsure of himself. Doesn't like being around people. Smacked it out of the park. And so I don't know. I hope maybe that helps you a little bit. It does. It gives you some confidence in that. And the questions will come naturally when you're just feeding your curiosity. I think that's the key. Just a couple of days ago, you had that CEO of the asteroid mining company. I watched all of that because you don't see him anywhere. But that was a fascinating...

55:58AJ Gentile:I'm interested in all of those things. I looked at the chapters. I'm like, oh, I guess I have to watch all of this because I like all that stuff. But you don't see him anywhere. So that kind of stuff. You know, those are the sorts of people that I reach out to for my show. So it doesn't matter if he's famous or not. I know that's going to be an interesting dude to talk to. I hope you do it. The studio's all done. We're just waiting for me to have the balls. You've got them. Just do it, man. Just do it. And then the other thing that we both know is, you know, the audience loves to watch the progression of a channel, you know, And so you're introducing something new, and you're going to have to develop it, and you're taking your audience on the journey with you.

56:43They're going to coach you. They're going to critique you, and they're going to wish the best for you. And take that in.

56:52AJ Gentile:You know, that's interesting that you say that because starting the channel is watching some consultant say, you just got to start. Doesn't matter. Don't worry about your gear, your lighting. Get your phone and just start doing episodes. you're going to hate your first 20 episodes. I remember going, I'm not going to hate my friend. I'm going to be fine. And now I just cringe at episode 1 through 70. It's like, how did anyone watch this? It's terrible. But the audience does respond to that. They go back and watch that old stuff saying, you've come a long way, brother. Yeah, man. And I take it as a compliment.

57:27AJ Gentile:And that's why I don't delete any of those old episodes. And so I'd love to delete a few of them. But it feels dishonest. Like a whole episode where I'm just completely out of focus. The focus is just on the bulletin board, so you can't even see me. But I'm just leaving it up there. Do you feel, I mean, you're a truth teller. And so I'm curious, do you feel a responsibility, that a responsibility comes with truth telling? I think I'm more of a storyteller. And maybe that's a way for me to rationalize it because I don't want to have the responsibility. I don't want any power. I don't want to be a leader.

58:09AJ Gentile:I don't want to be any of that stuff. I just want to entertain people with fun stories and just get them thinking differently or just cheer them up if they're having a bad day. My only responsibility, I feel, is if I do find a piece of a story that's not that well-known, and even if I cover something that's been covered a lot, I don't stop researching until I'm pretty convinced I can bring something new. Episodes like Crop Circles or even The Moon Landing, people keep asking me to do these episodes. These have been done since the 60s. But they want it, so I'll do it. But I won't stop researching until I find those nuggets that entertain me and go, oh, I didn't know that, so I know the audience won't.

58:54AJ Gentile:So I think that's – I feel responsibility there. I got to find something new for a story that's maybe known. And I don't hold back if I find something ugly. I just say it. Like this is, I'm reminded of the Montauk Project episode, which is, the Montauk Project, this is like a time travel urban legend about Stranger Things is based on it. Out in Long Island, these experiments done out in Camp Hero, You'd sit in the chair and you'd focus your psychic energy and travel through time, all this stuff. It's a military project, of course. And it was all based on a book and a series of books by Preston Nichols.

59:38AJ Gentile:So I'm researching, I'm doing the episode, and I'm loving it because I read Preston Nichols' books when they came out, you know, after hearing about them on Art Bell. I'm doing the episode, it's coming along fine, and then I find out that Preston Nichols was maybe inappropriate with a lot of young men. so at some point in the episode it got kind of it started to get a little dark and I actually stopped in the episode and I said look I know you have families watching if you have kids watching sign the send them away and I said seriously because I'm going to tell you the truth about this story and then I told the truth about what I learned about Preston Nichols it's all alleged but I said here's what I found and it's ugly and kind of ruins the story.

1:00:27AJ Gentile:It certainly ruined the magic for me, but I felt a responsibility.

1:00:33AJ Gentile:I don't know. It's good you did that. I think it is. It felt like the right thing to do at the time,

1:00:42AJ Gentile:but I don't know if that's what the audience wanted. It's hard to tell, but I had to say what was going on, and this was someone that I really respected. Too bad. Where did the hecklefish come from? I wanted a sidekick. I needed a sidekick. Because hecklefish is...

1:01:11AJ Gentile:Those are available in the Wildfoss tour, by the way. I'm not here to plug. I think we're sold out anyways. I needed a sidekick because I knew that when I would talk about the weird topics and the conspiracy topics, you kind of need a foil. I need someone to lighten the mood when it gets dark. He'll just come in with, he'll just start singing a song or something and just like ruin my train of thought. but it just lets the audience go, oh, it's just we're not taking it too seriously. Yeah, we're talking about the CIA's throwing people out of the window. That's the story, all right? It happened for sure.

1:01:51AJ Gentile:But we can have a little fun along the way. But also he serves as the voice of the audience. So if I'm saying something totally outrageous, I know that people watching are going to be going, what are you talking about? So if I'm talking about quantum mechanics or quantum theory, He will hop in and call me Poindexter and a nerd or whatever and say, you know, some of us actually went to our prom. We didn't stay home and write programs. So can you explain, please, what the double slit experiment is? He serves as the stand-in for the audience and a pressure release valve. Genius. It was Jen's idea.

1:02:28AJ Gentile:I said, I need a sidekick to just sit there. And she said, why don't you have a goldfish in a bowl? I was like, that's a good idea. Damn. Yeah. When in the journey did he come? Was he born? Day one. Day one. And he's come a long way too. He's definitely had some face work done over the years, I guess the success. He's got a good Botox guy because he was Yankee. And his voice changed a little bit over time. We kind of settled into our rhythm. Very cool. I hope people don't get sick of it because, you know, in re-watching my episodes to just refresh myself to come in here, which is so hard to do.

1:03:06AJ Gentile:I'm watching, I'm like, I've been doing the same thing for like four years. The same format, the same. So I hope it continues to resonate. It works though. I try to let it evolve in small ways, production value and music and sound and all of that. But it's still basically the same format. You know, I think I'm with you. I'm always looking for ways to improve the show, bring it to the next level. and I got to the point where we're just chasing our tails. It was, well, let's redo the thumbnails. Let's do this. Let's change the intro. Let's take this out. Let's put this in. And it just got to the point where I was like, man, these are small, minute moves.

1:03:50And I mean, we did just upgrade to the new studio, third guest here.

1:03:57AJ Gentile:This is bananas, by the way. Thank you. You should do a backstage tour of this facility. I probably will eventually. It's pretty crazy. But what I did, you know, is when I realized, all right, we're chasing our tail here. The show is great. It's got great visuals. And I set it up that way from the very beginning. And so what I did is I started refocusing that energy into building new things. Because, I mean, I think we're – I'm definitely a creative. You seem like a creative as well. And so I just took the – I didn't know where to put my creativity. And so I started focusing on these businesses that we're going to launch before the end of the year.

1:04:46And those have become my new creative outlet because I just – it just got to the point I was like, I don't know how to improve what I have. and I love what I have, but it's not feeding that creative outlet that I need and crave. And so I refocus that into these other businesses and the design of the studio and the shooting range and everything that we have here. That was my creative outlet for about a year, building this and making the best experience for the guests, for myself, for my team. And then once that was designed, then I started moving into the business stuff. And that's my new creative outlet.

1:05:28AJ Gentile:You think that focusing on the minutia like you did, because I've gone through that, do you think that was trying to assuage you to some anxiety at the time? Probably. Because it is for me. We, myself, my team, we run 1 ,000 miles an hour all the time. Everyone here is amazing and really friendly. but it's, I was talking about this with Jeremy, who's incredible. What a find. It's a tight ship here. Like you're hitting your marks and go take the photo and do all this stuff. There's a system in place as family oriented and as fun as it is. I mean, it's super fun. Shooting a Winchester is a highlight of my month, but you're very organized here.

1:06:13AJ Gentile:People compliment me on my studio when they come by. They're like, I've never seen anything like this and I I'm in here like oh my goodness I'm doing everything wrong I've got so much more to do dude you are doing everything right if you saw my studio you'd be like yeah grab a clipboard we got some work you know like you help me with my grip you can help me with my lighting as well right on right on but well let's let's move in I want to talk about the moon landing that was that was the first so my editor who you met Darren and knows all about this stuff. And he's the one that got me interested in it.

1:06:51And so I started looking things up on the internet and came across you. And I was like, this is by far the best explanation I've ever heard. It's all in there. At least I think it's all in there. And so I want to dive in there. What got you interested in the moon landing?

1:07:13AJ Gentile:that was an episode that people just demanded I didn't want to do it because everyone's done the moon landing and are you talking about the Stanley Kubrick one because I've done a few moon videos I think I have a whole compilation I probably watched all of them but I know the Stanley Kubrick thing was in there how the shadows don't align but let's go into it I want to hear all of it so I debunked a lot of that moon landing stuff a lot of that episode is based on And Bart Sabrell had a documentary quite a while ago, maybe 20 years. A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon, I think is the name of it.

1:07:49AJ Gentile:And if you're into the moon stuff, that's the documentary to watch. And Bart's someone who I trade email with. I told him, as soon as I'm ready, I got to have you in here. Because he knows everything about it. But I debunked a lot of his stuff in the documentary. but I couldn't debunk all of it. There were some weird things about, you know, when you see the astronauts and it looks like there's wires, you know, reflections off the wires. It's hard to explain that. I tried to. I said, you know, the way that piece of equipment is, it could be this, but I agree it looks weird. And the way the astronauts fall doesn't look natural, but it's one-sixth gravity.

1:08:35AJ Gentile:It could be weird. I try to be open-minded to all of it. It's an episode that still confounds me. I go back and forth, depending on who I talk to, about whether it really happened. I think the percentage of Americans who don't believe that we went to the moon, it's just rising every year. I hope I have nothing to do with that. I'm sure you have something to do with that. But, you know, they lost the tapes, all the original tapes of the moon landing. What you watch when Neil Armstrong climbs off the LEM, One Small Step for Man, that's not a direct feed from anything. That was projected on a wall in NASA, and the networks aimed their camera at the wall to get, like, this projection.

1:09:30AJ Gentile:And the networks are like, hey, can we just get the direct feed? Because that would be a lot better. They're like, no, no, we're going to do it this way. And then they lost all those tapes. They lost the telemetry. And when asked, why don't we go back, NASA said, well, we can't replicate that technology. It's too difficult. Yeah. Isn't there like some, I don't know what you call it. We can't get past a certain point, supposedly. They said they, I think it was your episode. They're like, we lost the technology. It's like you lost the technology to get us to the moon. You just happened to lose it?

1:10:08Nobody wrote.

1:10:09AJ Gentile:Where did it go? They just lost it. You might be talking about the Van Allen radiation belt. That's it. Right, which is high-velocity particles, and it's this energetic field that surrounds the Earth and is very dangerous. And if you're aware of something called the South Atlantic anomaly, it's this part of our geometric uh geomagnetic field that is just it's burning a hole through it if you if you look at it on on like an electromagnetic map it's just a big hole it's getting bigger and now it's starting to branch off into a second one and nobody knows why that's happening and geomagnetism and the pole shifts and all that i can go down that rabbit hole too because all that stuff terrifies me.

1:10:53Do it.

1:10:54AJ Gentile:Solar radiation and the grid going down, all that stuff terrifies me. So the Van Allen radiation belts that you have NASA astronauts saying, oh, we think we found a way now that we can get out of, you know, high earth orbit that we can finally get past the Van Allen radiation belts. Like we already did that, man, didn't we? Didn't we do that 17 times or whatever? But they forgot. They didn't, they lost it. We can't replicate it. unbelievable i don't buy it i don't buy it either so just let us know what's going on on top of that was there was a space race or a race to the moon between us and russia during the cold war right there was and russia was first to everything we were behind on everything russia has first sputnik goes up sputnik 2 goes so first man-made satellite in orbit first man in orbit first animal in orbit, first woman in orbit, first spacewalk, first geostationary satellites, all first, first, first, first, first.

1:11:56AJ Gentile:And we're falling behind. And you can hear JFK giving speeches, you know, and they're pressing him on it. And like the Saturn program's not going well and the rockets are blowing up on the launch pads. And he's saying like, no matter how much money we throw at it, we're going to be second. We're going to be second. You can hear him talking about it. And then suddenly 1969, we're there. We surpass all of it. We surpass all of the Soviets' accomplishments, and we go and we land on the moon. Okay. Okay. It seemed like we took a great leap forward there, but there's really no explanation for it. Did we?

1:12:35Yeah.

1:12:36AJ Gentile:Well, where do you stand on it? I'm like you. I go back and forth. I mean, I wonder what I would think had we not been through COVID and all these other things, Epstein and all these other things that keep coming out that destroy any trust in any government institution there is. Every COVID conspiracy that I talked about just came true. But, you know, to me, it was always obvious. and the big problem with that is and you were vocal as well and i was very nervous nervous about my opinions on covid but i hope that i didn't just get lucky you know those of us that were doubting and those that thought it was just kind of a power grab i hope we didn't just get lucky because when the next pandemic comes and they want to do lockdowns americans are not going to do it even you know even like the middle of the road people are going to be like i can't do that again.

1:13:37AJ Gentile:I can't put my kids on Zoom again. I'm not doing it. And if it's a real pandemic, like the Spanish flu or something, we're going to be in trouble. Or Ebola. Or Ebola. Something serious, man. So that's chickens coming home to roost when you're so secret, when there's such a lack of transparency, when it's so corrupt. I understand that there needs to be some secrecy. Yeah, I attack FBI, CIA, and NSA all the time, but I still want them there. I still want them to have the tools that they need to do their jobs. I want America to be the most powerful country on the planet. I want us to have the best military in the world.

1:14:10AJ Gentile:I just don't want us to use it that often. But overall, I want transparency in what we're doing. And we don't have any of that. Not one bit. So then there's going to be no trust. now if those things hadn't have happened you know it's interesting because i don't i don't know how much that affected my my psyche you know what i mean and and now now it's like anything it gets to the point where it's like anything that is put out it's like you know that's a distraction that's bullshit that didn't happen there's no way that definitely happened and you're saying it didn't Epstein you know and and and you know and then and then the I mean shit it half of Trump's it appeared to me there was a lot of chatter about releasing the Epstein files and all this other shit and then we get in there and it's like everybody's beating the same damn drum oh no don't look over here oh russiagate and it's like yes right right because we're we're diving into russiagate when the entire american population both the right and the left are screaming release the epstein files but let's let's concentrate on this on russia let's let's concentrate on this right and when we're not i for two years i've been saying this and i get a lot of heat from it we're not going to get the list there's no list we're not going to get it it's Everyone wants to talk about that it's some sex trafficking ring.

1:15:45AJ Gentile:That's part of it. It's a blackmail operation. It's a money-washing operation for the intelligence community. To connect the dots doesn't take any effort at all. I never talk about Mossad on my show because I'm not stupid, but you can connect all these agencies to all this. Just follow the money. Somehow Epstein is connected to Iron Contra. Just follow the money. How is he connected to Iran-Contra? When he was, I think he was an advisor for Adnan Khashoggi back in the 80s, who was like an arms dealer slash asset. You know, wealthy family slash could move a lot of weapons around and a lot of cash around.

1:16:26AJ Gentile:And I'm going to get a lot of things wrong today. So my job is not to get everything right. My job is to get you thinking and to go find out. So they needed to get cash and weapons. We need to get weapons to Iran, which is illegal. Congress told them no, no, no. They passed the law, law, law, and they just did it anyway. And we got to get cash to the Congress. And we have to do it without Congress knowing, which isn't an ideal way to run a democracy. But so you need middlemen. And Khashoggi is known as a middleman for the IC, and Epstein seems to be. And it's not like I'm the first to talk about this.

1:17:11AJ Gentile:I've heard people who've met him, people like Eric Weinstein, who I like, tells his story about meeting Epstein and walked out of there feeling like, I don't think he's ever said it publicly that he felt like Epstein was part of the IC, but he said he felt like he was a manufactured personality. And he kind of hinted at there was someone kind of pulling his strings, kind of creating this facade. Interesting. Because he was a guy who had no, I don't think he had a college degree, and he ends up teaching math at age 20 at a wealthy school and just suddenly skyrockets through the finance game. It doesn't add up.

1:17:57AJ Gentile:So we're not going to learn because it would wreck all kinds of things. No matter, they botched this so bad. They had all the, you know, influencer types up at the White House at the very beginning holding up the binders. Oh, we got it. I don't know whose idea that was, but that was such a disservice. What were they thinking? I mean, and then, you know, and then the distractions and diversions that have come up since. It's like you guys have botched this so bad no matter what comes out, unless it is aligned with the wildest conspiracy you've ever heard of, nobody's going to believe it. Not going to believe it.

1:18:34Nobody's going to believe it.

1:18:35AJ Gentile:There was no tape, but then there was a tape, or then there was a tape, but only Bill Barr saw the tape. Bill Barr's father, of course, is involved with Epstein and Ghislaine. Oh, go figure. Go figure. But now there is a tape, but there's some minutes missing, which is a story we hear over and over. There's always minutes missing. Always the minutes are missing. So I don't know. So now we're at the point where we don't trust anybody. Right. And I don't follow it close enough. Like I talk about political issues a lot, but I'm not ideological. So just a quick sidetrack. So I get attacked quite a bit for being far left and far right and being ideological.

1:19:20AJ Gentile:And I keep saying I'm political, but I'm not ideological. Politics to me is governments and how they interact with society. That's what I'm interested in. So I did this experiment. The three major AI platforms, so Google Gemini, Anthropic Claude, and OpenAI Chat GPT. I sent the same question in. Analyze all the Y-Files episodes, everything that AJ Gentile has ever said publicly on every podcast, everything he's ever written that's been published. Analyze all that and tell me, is he coming at these issues from the left or the right? All the AI platforms, and if you're listening to this, you do it yourself, says there is no left or right bias in anything that I'm saying.

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1:21:26You. Plan your fun at visitmo.com. Yeah, the media has a big say in that. You know, I got painted as this ultra-right, mega-podcaster, and I'm not. I'm very middle of the road. And so I had to work my way out of that and we're doing it. But yeah, you know, America's just become so tribalized, man. And it goes back to critical thinking. Nobody seems to have the fortitude to critical think anymore. And so if you say anything against one party or another, no matter whether it's – if it's true, in everything that we do, we try our best to bring truth. And it's like, man, you're not listening. You're not listening.

1:22:24Like this is a fault of this specific party and you have wrapped your entire identity up into this shit and you're not fucking listening.

1:22:36AJ Gentile:That's the problem is when your identity is your ideology, now you have a problem. Now you've created a bubble and you've got to protect that. So you can't hear anything that goes against your identity. Your identity is the party. that's a bad situation you know i say to my audience if you're on the left and you think the right is the problem or you're on the right and you think the left is a problem you're the problem because that is all theater this is just to keep us spinning our wheels we should instead of worrying about party politics because the establishment on the republicans and the establishment democrats want the same thing anyway you know they want big government war and all that stuff but most of us don't want that stuff most of us are kind of in the middle of things.

1:23:23AJ Gentile:I don't identify with either party. I'm pro-troops, pro-military, but anti-war. I'm pro-cop, very pro-law enforcement, but I think we need reform.

1:23:38AJ Gentile:I'm that unusual. I don't think those are controversial things. Pro-choice, pro-life, that's between you and God. I'm not involved in that. I'm very libertarian in all those things. and I think we need to get away from the tribalism and start to look at individual issues and individual people and call out the corruption when we see it. I don't know how many politicians you've interviewed, but in my career, I worked as a contractor in the engineering side in politics for almost 20 years from local villages all the way up to having clients in Congress and met all these politicians, famous ones, name brand clients.

1:24:18AJ Gentile:These are just people. They're flawed. They're ambitious. Can't really be trusted. But they're all the same. And we worked with both parties. And you'd have these meetings with Republicans and Democrats. It's just the same person. They just want to get reelected. They're going to say whatever they got to say to the base, get reelected. And I just feel like it's a smokescreen. WWE wrestling. That's what it is. That's what it is. That's what it is. And it's such a shame because our system does not encourage the best and brightest to get involved. I'd never run for office. You said they tried to recruit you?

1:24:56Mm-hmm.

1:24:57AJ Gentile:No. Mm-hmm. You've got a wife and kids. I think that's how they control you. I think that's also why we're seeing a lot of young, weak people get into office is because they're propped up and they know they're going to be very easy to control. Yes. That's what I think. And it's just through doing this, I see how easy it could be to fall into certain traps, take a favor from somebody that seems like, oh, I just want to help you. Like, what are you, my fucking parent? No. No. I know what this is. You're going to do this, and then six months later, you're going to start asking me for favors and dangle that shit in front of my face.

1:25:42No, not doing it. Right.

1:25:43AJ Gentile:And if you don't do it, we'll just primer you or smear you. Or nowadays, we'll just lock you up. We'll just raid your wife's underwear drawer. We'll just turn the FBI on you. Yep. Yep. Well, let's talk about, I want to talk about the hollow moon. Okay. Is the moon hollow? I have not dug into this. I had a side conversation with Randall Carlson once, and he's the one that brought it up. I have not seen this episode of yours. It's a fun one. That was a Gino, my brother said, you got to do this one. And it's like hollow moon, that is nonsense. And then I'm researching the episode and I just start to realize that there's a lot of weird stuff about the moon.

1:26:27AJ Gentile:By the time I was done with the episode, I was convinced that it was hollow. But there's a lot of weird things that have happened with the moon. Like, first of all, the moon is too big to be here. It's just too big. We've never found another system in our solar system or any other that has this giant moon right next to us like this. This is totally unique. We haven't found a moon that has such a perfect orbit like this that also the same side faces us all the way. We're a snowflake with this. Totally unique. So that's strange. No, shit. I didn't realize that. No, we haven't found it anywhere. only moon that we know of that doesn't rotate no there are a few moons that are tightly locked like that okay but they're but but it's rare but when you stack up all these coincidences it starts to paint a picture like the moon is weird um you know a lot of people will point to the fact that the moon during the eclipse is like the perfect size to block out the sun because it's like a 400 to 1 ratio.

1:27:32AJ Gentile:That's fair, but the moon at one point was a lot closer to the Earth and it's drifting away, so at some point it's not going to be perfect anymore. But the moon, the far side is, the crust is different, older and much thicker, and fewer impacts are on the far side that are on the near side. We didn't think it would be the opposite because that's kind of like should be grabbing things as they come in, but instead there's not as many impacts on that side. When, during one of the Apollo missions, as a test, a seismic test, they crashed one of the rockets into the moon just to take readings, seismograph readings, to see, you know, what was going on there.

1:28:16AJ Gentile:And the phrase is, the moon rang like a bell for over an hour. So if you set off like seismic charges here to measure sound waves that go through the Earth, as they go through the Earth, they slow down. as they go through all this dense matter and then through the mantle and the core. Like, it just slows down. The moon, they don't do that. The sound waves sped up and started to bounce all around in there and started to, like, reverberate for a long time. And no one could really explain that. Now, the prevailing theory, the mainstream theory, is that the moon is a lot less dense than the Earth because it was created from the Earth's crust and the upper mantle, which is less dense, which is why the moon is less dense.

1:29:00AJ Gentile:So the interior has maybe some hollow spaces or it's just a less, it's not quite as dense. That's why. Okay. But the sound waves bounced around for a long time. There was a long time. This is true. This is true. What, what hit it again? It was, they dropped one of the rocket boosters. They just crashed it in there, but they did seismograph readings in subsequent missions there, where they actually drop in explosives, control explosives, and they just take the readings and see what happens to the sound waves. It's a normal scientific thing to do. I think they were just surprised. There's been a couple of NASA scientists who've even said it would make a lot more sense that the moon wasn't here than the fact that it is because there's so many strange things about it.

1:29:50AJ Gentile:And we see light on the moon all the time. they're called transient lunar phenomena. We just see these light flashes on the moon all the time. And if you have binoculars, you can even see this. In one of the moon craters, I think it's the Aristarchus crater, there's this blue glowing light that just appears from time to time and then goes away, and then it appears again. They call it the blue gem. What? And you can see it. So what's causing the light up there? Well, mainstream scientists will say, well you're seeing flashes because the moon is a lot like glass it's very glassy and reflective so you're seeing that but we'll see light just like go across you'll just see light zip across and then what's the blue light in that in that same crater that we've been seeing since 17th century it's aristarchus or aristarchus crater i think is how you say it blue light what is that and now they're seeing just very recently like this year these swirls of light and gas is happening on the moon, different places.

1:30:52AJ Gentile:They don't understand it. There was one point where the moon doesn't really have an atmosphere. It has a tiny one. It doesn't really have one. But for a little while, it did. There was just all this water vapor and the air on the moon that came from somewhere and then just disappeared. So I don't know what that is. And then you've had people who have seen pictures. Like I've talked about Carl Wolf, who was U.S. Air Force, and he was like a technician. basically the level is a copy repairman and he's called in to fix some imaging equipment at NASA or Air Force wherever and he walks in there and he's like an airman and he sees another young guy and he's like, oh Carl, you gotta see this.

1:31:33AJ Gentile:And Carl looks, he's like, what am I looking at? He's like, this is the backside of the moon. There's like cities there and stuff. There's mushroom shaped things and towers and highways and all this stuff. Carl's like, this is amazing. I can't believe it. And Carl said he went home, he told his wife, and he said he was watching the news waiting for this to show up on the news, but it never did. And you could see those photos allegedly, and I used them in one of my episodes, and it looks like a civilization on the far side of the moon. Carl, unfortunately, was met with an untimely death. He got hit by a car when he was riding his bike, so we don't know much more from Carl.

1:32:12but he was part of the um the 2000 so much this is crazy so much when i did the killer patents

1:32:21AJ Gentile:episode i ended it with all the like the free energy inventors that like the hydrogen car guy he got he said he was poisoned he said his to his he's having he's having like lunch with investors to finally take his car ran on water. This is Stanley Meyer. He's not feeling well and he runs outside. He's throwing up in the street. His brother was his partner. What's going on? He's like, I was poisoned. Then he dies. That was the end of it. No more water car. Then we just have this kid who created plastiline. He took plastic and created fuel out of it and then he disappeared for a little while. I think he's back.

1:33:03AJ Gentile:It could be a conspiracy, but I'm going to look into him. But a lot of these inventors, my favorite one is Sparky Sweet, who's worth looking into. Because he has video of all this stuff like in his workshop. And you see he's got volt meters and stuff and all this energy is created. And he takes his camera around. He's like, look, nothing is plugged in. Nothing is plugged in. And it caught the attention of someone in military somewhere who said, I want to be your partner and we'll take this wide or whatever. And he worked with this guy for a while. And then at some point, black van shows up, a couple of guys in suits, have a conversation with Sparky and his wife.

1:33:39AJ Gentile:They go away, and then he has a heart attack. And that's really the end of it. All his research was taken, everything was seized, and that's how it works. That's what happened with Nikola Tesla too, right? They seized all of the 80 boxes of research? So when he died, it wasn't the FBI at the time, although the FBI was there. It was like the Office of Alien Property or something, whatever agency's in charge of foreigners. He died, and within hours, they were in his room. This is at the New Yorker Hotel. And they seized 80 boxes of his research, all kind of research plans. because it's national security.

1:34:26AJ Gentile:And they held onto it for months and months, and they finally returned his property to his nephew, but 20 boxes were missing. So in those boxes, allegedly, and this falls under Project Nick, is Tesla's research into direct energy weapons, to DWs, which was very hot with military at the time, with DARPA and all of that. we still don't know what's happened to those boxes but we do know that they were researching things based on tesla's research and the the formula the the sort of the architecture for the heart project up in alaska a lot of that comes from tesla's research and it took me quite a while to connect the dots, but you will find Tesla's missing work suddenly shows up in patents from this guy somewhere in Alaska.

1:35:23AJ Gentile:I forget his name. And out of the blue, he lands a contract with the DOD for a lot of money. And they build a facility in Fairbanks, Alaska. And it's just an array of antennas in a small building and it costs a fortune. Like where'd the money go? Cost of fortune. And what it does is it ionizes and creates plasma in the atmosphere. And they say, we use this to test the atmosphere. But it could also be used for all kinds of processes. What Tesla wanted to do was create free energy by exciting the ionosphere. That was what he was doing with Warren Cliff Tower. but he needed funding to do that and he couldn't get any funding.

1:36:14AJ Gentile:JP Morgan was his patron and he told JP Morgan, do you see it in his letter? I need a sum of money. He needed like$200 ,000 to get this project going. And JP Morgan said, well, you're building wireless communication. What do you need all this money for? And Tesla's like, no, no, no. Wireless communication, I got that. We're going to do wireless energy. We're going to do wireless free energy for everyone on the planet can just tap into this and just get free electricity. And J.P. Morgan says, well, how do you put a meter on that? J.P. Morgan owned copper mines that made copper wire. He owned rubber farms all over the world that made insulation for the wire.

1:36:54AJ Gentile:He owned lumber mills and forests that created poles for wire. He owned coal factories. He owned machine shops that created generators for electricity. and he owned railroads that brought all this stuff around the country. Free energy shuts that whole business down. We don't need any of that. Carnegie, we don't need any of that. The Mellon family, we don't need you guys anymore. It's just free. Imagine what the world would be like if energy was just free. That's the golden age. We're not going to live to see it. Nope. Nope. Wow. Wow. I think I went off on a few tangents, but... Have you ever looked into the flat earth stuff?

1:37:34AJ Gentile:I have. I'm not a flat earther. Me neither. You know, I don't even want to do an episode on it because to me it's so ridiculous. But people do request it. And me calling it ridiculous, I'm going to get a lot of hate for it. But I can handle the hate from the flat earthers. That's fine. But I do like the theory. Like on YouTube, you're not going to find much flat earth stuff. That is suppressed. But if you go land on Rumble and search flat earth. Why do you think they suppress it? there's some stuff we'd have to talk about off air, but there are subjects that YouTube will just not allow you to discuss.

1:38:17AJ Gentile:So, you know, I can't say specifically because I made a promise to someone to not tell. But if you look at a couple of my demonetized videos, you'll see that they're kind of soft, softball. Like, why is this demonetized? Go look at those. those are no-no topics that I didn't know until it was too long. I was like, why is this demonetized? Like, I can't talk about that. I'm like, everything's true in here. I debunk most of it. I can't even talk about it at all, true or not. So flat earth, they don't like that one. But if you go on Rumble and spend like two, three, four hours just watching those videos, you walk away like, oh, it could be.

1:38:54There's some compelling stuff. It's good stuff. There are some compelling arguments. Yeah. I will say that. The Antarctica Wall, he's got a point. Damn, damn. What do you think? So back to Nikola Tesla, what do you think about the pyramids?

1:39:08AJ Gentile:What were they? So gun to my head, I think they were used to generate energy. I think there's a lot of evidence for it. For people interested in it, they can look into Christopher Dunn's work. He's done the research, the definitive research on the pyramid power plant theory. Tesla was fascinated by the pyramids, not so much for energy, but for how they were constructed, how they're constructed to True North and all of that. He was fascinated by the engineering of it. But his free energy device, a lot of that engineering can be seen in the pyramid. So Wardenclyffe Tower was his facility on Long Island, which is just a big tower.

1:39:48AJ Gentile:It looks like a water tower, but it's built over an aquifer. And what Tesla was trying to do was use, the water creates this deep resonant sound that resonates with the Earth's natural frequency. Everything has a resonant frequency. The earth, this chair, our bodies, everything does. And if you can come into harmony with that frequency, it will expand. It will amplify. And there's been research that certain wavelengths broadcast at the Great Pyramid will amplify that electromagnetic energy. It's around 200 meters, I think. So Tesla is fascinated with that engineering. but the pyramid power plant theory is a lot like tesla's technology that the the giza plateau there is an aquifer under there's a lot of water under there and that water would create this resonant frequency and they found copper rods that go down there that would help bring up some some of the electricity or however it worked then in the pyramid at the various chambers there's residue of certain chemicals that when combined create a lot of hydrogen, like a violent reaction of hydrogen.

1:41:01AJ Gentile:So coming down from the Queen's Chamber and then I forget the other chamber, but they're built in a way so they come down, you use gravity and you pour these chemicals down, creates this hydrogen reaction, which we know creates, there's residue of these chemicals there. This is not a conspiracy theory. The hydrogen expands, comes up through the gallery, which is sort of this big hallway that goes up to the king's chamber. And they've discovered that in the grand gallery, there used to be these wooden posts or some kind of wooden, sort of flat wooden things. And those would create sound. It's called a Helmholtz resonator.

1:41:43AJ Gentile:Like when you blow across a bottle, it goes, that air is a Helmholtz resonator. So this hydrogen would come up through the chamber these things would resonate with sound, the F-sharp chord specifically, and that would cause it to build up more and more and more. The hydrogen expands. This chamber is built out of rose granite, which is an unusual type of granite because it's densely made of quartz. And when you compress quartz, it creates electricity. It's called piezoelectricity. And if you have a lot of quartz, you can create a lot of electricity. There's been experiments done where if it's a mountain of quartz, it creates something like 10 million volts, It creates a lot of power.

1:42:21AJ Gentile:So you've got the hydrogen expanding, creating this electricity. It's ionizing the air, amplifying it more. You've got the sound coming through, amplifying it more. And then you've got this hole leading into the king's chamber that's 4.8 inches by 8.4 inches, which is the perfect size for a hydrogen atoms microwave to just fit through as a waveguide. comes up into the king's chamber, and the king's chamber has these pillars and on top of it a bunch of stones that are stacked. Everything is really smooth, except the top is really rough. And forever, they thought that this was, they called this the relieving stones, that these would relieve the pressure of the pyramids.

1:43:05AJ Gentile:But they're not connected to anything, so there's no pressure there. But what they found is that this creates music, creates this chord. And what the theory is, is it's rough on top because they would chip away at it and tune it until it was just about right. And that's why it's smooth on the bottom or rough on the top. And if you had, so you've got all this energy. So how do we get it out? Well, when the pyramids were new or, you know, intact, the interior is made out of a certain type of limestone that electricity can move around in. The exterior is made out of a different kind of limestone called Tura limestone, which is quarried from far, far away and brought in.

1:43:54AJ Gentile:Way down the Nile, right? Way down, hundreds of miles away. You'll hear Zaya Wass talk about the limestone on the pyramid, but he never talks about the Tura limestone or the rose granite. So there's all these different, why not just build the whole thing out of the same rocks that are right here. Bringing the tour limestone to Giza is like bringing the 100-ton blocks up the coast of Florida. It's like that far. But it's a special type of limestone that's very low in magnesium. It's a great insulator. So you've got this electricity, and then you've got sort of this conductor, and then you've got another insulator.

1:44:31AJ Gentile:And that's called a dielectric, and that creates It's even more power. And if you had a gold capstone on top, which is a great conductor, you can force that energy up through the capstone and up into the ionosphere. And that's what Nikola Tesla was trying to do. It's the same technology. Where I get stuck is, I love all of that. I buy it. But we don't see any evidence of what they did with the power. So the people who are really into it will say, well, the obelisks at one time also had metal capstones so they would be receivers. Okay, but still, what did they do with it? There's no computers. There's no light bulbs.

1:45:09AJ Gentile:The ancient Egyptians didn't work with the glass. So what did they do with it? My guess is the Egyptians didn't build any of this. The reason that we don't see any evidence of what the Egyptians did with power is because they didn't use it for power. I think the Egyptians just found it. And they said, wow, this is crazy. Gods must have made this and it just became sort of this religious type of structure. It's supposed to be the tomb for Khufu, but no mummy's ever been found in a pyramid. They've never found any of that. Wow. Egyptologists will say, well, they were robbed. Mummies were there, but they were taken out.

1:45:49All right.

1:45:49AJ Gentile:Well, there's no evidence of any of that, but there is evidence of zinc chloride at one side and hydrochloric acid on another side and sulfuric acid here. And there's an inch of salt that would up and down this chamber that would be the result of a chemical reaction. There's evidence of an explosion at some point. On all this stuff, you can look up. You don't have to believe what I'm saying. I'm not trying to convince anybody. I'm just saying these things are true. And I'm just connecting the dots for my entertainment. But you can go look at them and make your up your own mind. Damn. So you think they found them?

1:46:22AJ Gentile:I think they found him. I think they were there for a long time. So what do you think that was? Previous civilizations? Previous civilizations? I'm not an alien guy. You're not an alien guy? Not really, because I can't wrap my mind around crossing the distances of space. They're so far. Space is so big that the human mind can't even comprehend it. You know, like, so we've got this comet 3I Atlas just zipping into the solar system now. It's the fastest object we've ever found. It's like 135 ,000 miles an hour. We've never seen a comet move this fast. It's still going to take six months to get through.

1:47:02AJ Gentile:So if things are, it's that big. So I can't get my mind around aliens, wormholes, folding space. I can't get my mind around it. But something's going on. I've seen videos. Most, you know, I don't believe the whistleblowers. I don't believe anyone from Air Force Intelligence. I don't believe any of that. If you have a book out, I don't believe what you're saying. If you're cleared by the DOD. I definitely don't. I definitely don't. If you still have clearance and you're still a contractor and you're still working with DOD, I can't. You're not a whistleblower. You're doing PR. So with all due respect, I don't believe you guys.

1:47:47AJ Gentile:Matthew Brown, I think his last name is Brown. He's kind of a compelling whistleblower because he doesn't go over the top. He just says, I found evidence of, you know, something going on in space. And that's really all he says. So as far as the ancient civilizations, you know, I don't go as far as like Graham Hancock might go where this ancient advanced civilization, I don't want to put words in his mouth because I'm a huge admirer, a huge fan. I made at least 10 videos based around his research. but um but in geologic time the earth the surface of the earth just turns itself inside and out every few million years so the earth we're standing on now just wasn't here 10 million years ago there's only a couple places on the planet that still have exposed rock that's four billion years old there's only it's i think jack hill in australia and then somewhere in Canada, like West Canada.

1:48:43AJ Gentile:Everything else is pretty new. So if there was a civilization, it's very easy for it just to get folded into just the tectonic activity of the earth. And perhaps the pyramids survived that. When we see the pictures of the discovery of the Sphinx, it was buried. No, they didn't just walk up and see a Sphinx there. They just saw like the top of a head and they're like, what's this? And they dug all that out. And then on there, we see evidence of high volume, high pressure water flow and water erosion. It's kind of hard to discount that now, which they did for years. It's hard to discount it. When you look at Robert Schach's work and Randall Carlson's work, to me, it's not debatable.

1:49:25AJ Gentile:It's right there. Also on Easter Island. Easter Island. There's those heads. The Moai heads. People don't realize those heads have bodies. So you see all these heads sticking up. They have bodies. So first of all, Easter Island is in the middle of nowhere. If you look at it on Google Earth, good luck, you'll never find it. You have to type it in and then pull back and see how in the middle of nowhere this place is. So you've got these statues that are, I don't know, 80 tons or whatever. So either there's a thousand of them on the island. There's a thousand of them? So either they dug these holes and dropped in a giant statue and then filled it in, or the statues were there and then the earth came over and filled on top of it.

1:50:17I don't know.

1:50:19AJ Gentile:There's a lot of mud flood conspiracy theorists. I'm not one of those. But if those statues are really old, the earth has changed quite a bit in that time. I don't know why they're buried. Nobody does. And at one point, Easter Island had 25 ,000 people living on it. it's a whole society and it's only you know a few square miles tiny little triangle man i did not realize that i'd love to go there sometime you know but aren't all these stonehenge the pyramids machu picchu easter island i know there's more that i'm not that i can't remember right now but aren't all these things like on they're like a perfect line right yeah there's the ley line theory that there are these lines of energy that go around the earth.

1:51:06AJ Gentile:And where these points, where these lines intersect, they're high energy points. And that's where these ancient sites are. And they're pretty close. But when you look at the ley line maps, you can make it look like anything. I've seen ley line maps that look like just lines everywhere. You can make anything fit. So I'm totally convinced on the ley line. Gotcha. I'm not that in touch with it, but it's just, have you looked into Stonehenge at all? A little bit. What's going on there? What do you think that is? I really just think it was, it wasn't druids. It was definitely an ancient culture, but they had pretty advanced engineering.

1:51:50AJ Gentile:And that whole compound is really big. Like it's more than just the stones that we see. It's a whole perimeter. And then there's another site not too far from it that's even bigger, but there's not really stones there anymore. But this was a giant compound. But these stones line up so well with equinoxes that it shows that there's some type of advanced engineering. And it doesn't sound that impressive until you realize that when you ask someone what an equinox is, kind of what I was taught was it's when the day and night are the same length. that's an equinox, but that's not what it is. That's an equal lux.

1:52:30AJ Gentile:That, when day and night are equal, is different for everybody on the planet, depending on where you are. An equinox is when the sun is perfectly over the equator around the Earth. So whoever built Stonehenge were lining up the stones to match when the sun was perfectly over the equator, but they're not supposed to know about the equator. So how did they do that? Man. So if you get into the numerology, of the pyramids is the same thing. If you take the height of the pyramid and multiply it by 43 ,200, it turns out to be the polar radius of the Earth. And then take the perimeter, multiply it by 43 ,200, and it becomes the circumference of the Earth.

1:53:10AJ Gentile:It's very easy to dismiss that, but I find it interesting. A lot of coincidences are just that, but in those, there's some interesting threads to pull. And that's what I do, is I just pull the threads. and I lay it out like this. I tell it as excited as I am because I'm fascinated. I'm not saying I believe hardly any of it. I'm just giving you what I've found. You've looked into remote viewing too. Very much. I wasn't planning on going here, but so I dove into remote viewing. I've had Joe McMonigle, Angela Ford, Colonel John Alexander. Who am I missing? Skip Atwater. I've had Edwin May. I've had them all on because I – so – These are big names.

1:54:01Yeah. Backstory, I was telling you about my friend and the road rage and something, right? And we had contracted. We were contracting at the agency together. And I remember way after – we got really close after we were there. and he had mentioned that he had seen remote viewers show up at station in one of the countries that we were in. And I was like, what the fuck is a remote viewer?

1:54:31AJ Gentile:What year is this? This was probably somewhere in between 2010 and 2015. Oh, so Stargate has already been shut down 20 years. Yep, yep, long time after. And so we started having these chats, and he was kind of schooling me up on what they are. And I was like, are you sure? And he's like, yes, I'm 100 % sure. He's not a conspiracy guy. So I started diving into it, and the first guy I had on was actually this guy, Sean Webb, who introduced me to Joe McMonigle. And Sean had gone through the Monroe Institute and he was like my first guy that was telling me how it worked and the hemisync and all this and the envelopes.

1:55:16AJ Gentile:Army military intelligence went through that whole program. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I'm very familiar with it at this point. But you did, I think it was you, I think I used one of your episodes for my research, actually. and Joe had remote viewed some type of extraterrestrial type facility in Alaska. Was that your episode? It's probably Pat Price. Pat Price saw under Mount Hayes. That's it. That's it. Mount Mother F. in Hayes, he likes to call it. Pat Price, he's the most believable remote viewer to me. He fascinates me. But the OGs are Joe McMonigle, Ingo Swann, and Pat Price. Those are like the original guys from SRI, which is Russell Targ and Hal Puthoff ran that program, who were probably gettable.

1:56:15AJ Gentile:I'd like to see Hal on your show. I'd love to get Hal on my show. Yeah, he was very entertaining on Rogan, but I also made the point that Hal Puthoff has been connected to disinformation. so you got to take everything with a grain of salt remote viewing I think there might be something to it most of it I think is nonsense most of it I think is like strip mall psychic stuff Joe McMonagle definitely saw some things and you sat here with him he's a no nonsense guy and I think he kind of downplays it but this is a war hero he was a rock star in Vietnam and I think he has a near death experience and then he has these abilities and he's definitely found some things.

1:56:58AJ Gentile:I think he was the one who found the Soviet sub. That's him. Yeah. That was the first big thing. Right. But Pat Price was so, Pat Price was a, he was a retired police chief from Burbank, California and he was known in the department of just being good at solving crimes and he just kind of knew where the body was or he knew where this guy was or that and he just thought like he was just, his hunches were strong. So he retired and had a little bit more time to just kind of relax and focus on his talent and he just started to actually see that he had an ability. So he was, Pat Price is, he saw in the Soviet Union giant crane on like railroad tracks that you would never even just make up but he saw that and that it was verified with spy that they saw that, that that was real with Pat Price.

1:57:59AJ Gentile:So he had so many of those that the CIA just pulled him in. They pulled him out of SRI. He really wasn't looking to do that. So he goes over there, and he's dead pretty soon after. He bumps into somebody in the lobby of a hotel in Las Vegas. He feels a pinch on his arm, goes up to his room, calls his wife, and he's dead by morning. Um, but Pat Price, remote viewed into Mount Hayes, saw a joint alien U.S. military operation inside the mountain. And he put the files together. And I think from there, he gave the files to Hal, who then gave them to Skip. I could have the timeline wrong, but it's something like that.

1:58:44AJ Gentile:Like, Pat didn't pursue it. He gave it over to the people he trusted. and I don't know if they had anyone who can go and follow up with what Pat saw because he was really talented. But SRI taught a lot of people to do it. They had a secretary there. They were like, let's just teach her to do it and see if she can do it. And she found a Soviet plane that went down in the Congo within two miles of accuracy. It's such a weird story.

1:59:19AJ Gentile:so you know with someone like joe if he's going to do 20 000 viewings he's going to get some right and he's but most of his stuff is wrong so we tend to cherry pick the good stuff it doesn't discount it completely yeah that's what edwin may told me he said i think he said and i can't remember the number but i think i think it may have been around 40 he says he said yeah you know he's like you none of this can be it has to be proven for it to be like a win and because we were talking about the the pyramids on mars that joe had remote viewed and he's like he was like joe was only right i'm not correct on this it's it's it may be lower maybe a little it's probably lower if it's not this number but he said joe was only right 40 of the time that's It's a lot.

2:00:11If you can't prove it, then you cannot take it as fact.

2:00:17AJ Gentile:Right. He said he saw all those tall beings on Mars, but he didn't know what he was remote viewing. He just got coordinates. And then they opened the envelope and it's Mars 1 million BC. Yeah. Which is a great story, but it's hard to verify that. Yeah. But Ingo Swann's another one who remote viewed the moon and saw aliens up there. And he said, aliens are not our friends. So he went up to the far side and he said, yeah, there are bases up there. They're watching us. They're all over it. Man, that's crazy to think about, isn't it? All right, let's take a quick break. When we come back, I want to hit Patriot Act.

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2:02:13All right, AJ, we're back from the break. We're getting ready to dive into the Patriot Act. So I know you just came out with a video on this. I purposely have not watched it because I just wanted to, I wanted this to be 100 % organic. So, but it's something that I've been interested in. It seems to be resurfacing right now with AI and all this other stuff. So in fact, I better grab a sesh for this one. Same.

2:02:41But what got you interested in the topic, how to pop up on your radar? Because it's been going on for a long time.

2:02:46AJ Gentile:It's been going on for a while. It popped up on my radar for when I was doing an episode about 33 Thomas Street, which is the Long Lines building. The what building? The Long Lines building. It's the AT &T Long Lines building, 33 Thomas Street, New York, codenamed Titan Point. and it New Yorkers will know this building it's the weirdest building you'll ever see it has no windows just has exhaust vents no lights so when it's night time in the city you've got all the lights on the skyline and you've just got this void it's a very strange building and all you hear is the exhaust and the lobby looks normal until you get up kind of close and it's like wow there's a lot of security here and you can't get in there.

2:03:36AJ Gentile:So it's codenamed Titan Point, which we learned from the Edward Snowden documents. And it turned out that this is one of the facilities, one of several, but this is a big one, that was capturing all of our phone calls. They talk about, well, it's just metadata. But metadata is enough because metadata includes who you're calling, what time, where they are, your location, so you can be totally tracked. And it helps them create that network, which the Patriot Act allows, where if you're a person of interest, anyone you communicate with is automatically a person of interest. And it just is a geometric progression.

2:04:18AJ Gentile:So when I was doing that episode, I really just wanted to cover the weird building and what NSA was doing there, capturing the records. And it just started to get emotional because whenever I can, I just play James Clapper line of Congress, you know, whenever I can, when he's asked. So can you confirm that we're not, that NSA is not capturing millions or hundreds of millions of Americans' records? And he says, no, sir, we're not, you know, intentionally or something like that. And then later he says, well, I told the most truthful, you know least truthful whatever it was and then eventually had to apologize because the snow documents revealed they're capturing everything so it's not just metadata they were doing whole capture of phone calls all kinds of stuff NSA was embedded inside of Google and Yahoo and Microsoft so that everything on like your Google Drive was accessible if you look at the PowerPoint the engineers are so excited they have like emojis and smiley faces like we got it we you know we finally got into google so that's that was probably the first episode that got me really thinking okay every so often i'm going to do a government corruption government transparency episode try to make it fun but but the point is you know do not trust them they are constantly lying to us.

2:05:49AJ Gentile:And, um, and there's no regard to the constitution at all. Now the Patriot Act, for me, it's kind of weird because I'm a New Yorker. I was there for 9-11 and it's very emotional for New Yorkers that were there still, still very emotional. Um, you know, I had, I had a friend who was, who was a fireman there as part of cleanup. And he was just, he was a broken man after that, just completely broken. And my brother had friends in one of the towers that came down. So it's close to us. So I remember I was all in with whatever we got to do to get these guys. Patriot Act, let's do it. But we kind of expanded the government's powers a lot there.

2:06:36AJ Gentile:and it seemed like it happened pretty quickly. So you've got 9-11 and the Patriot Act is signed, I think like October 16th or 20th, like it was like four, six weeks that they got this giant bill together. So either they had some really smart lawyers or this was kind of hanging around, like, and here's an opportunity to do it. And that leads into the 9-11 conspiracy, which kind of makes sense, which I don't go into on my show. Why don't you go into that? Because it's a taboo topic, and it's emotionally charged, and the bad guys are the government.

2:07:16And if we learn that 9-11 really was an inside job, I don't know how that doesn't really challenge your patriotism.

2:07:27AJ Gentile:Now, I consider myself a patriot. I love my country. I don't like the people that run it. I like the Constitution and the Bill of Rights I really like those I'm very libertarian borderline anarchist in a political sense not like craziness meaning like I don't think we need much government for anything keep us safe abroad domestically keep it local that's kind of how I feel I think the federal government's way too involved in our lives in every different level but the Patriot Act violates the First Amendment in a few different ways. Free speech is gone. So if you say anything that's considered dangerous or explosive, suddenly you're on a list.

2:08:17And then you can be gag ordered.

2:08:21AJ Gentile:So that's prior restraint. You can't do that. Then you've got the Fourth Amendment violations where illegal search and seizure. You can't search through Americans without probable cause. You just can't. But the Patriot Act says you no longer need probable cause. You just need to be relevant. So if you're relevant to an investigation, then we don't need a warrant. We can just look into your files. And this gets renewed time and time again. So it's not a left, right, Democrat, Republican. These are sunset clauses that keep getting re-signed. I forget the numbers offhand, but 215 is certainly one of them.

2:09:00AJ Gentile:And the Patriot Act is mostly used for finding drug dealers. It's not really used for terrorism. It never really was. We don't really know if it's ever stopped anything. And then, you know, the IC and the government will say, well, you don't know because we can't tell you, but we stopped this or that. Well, but did you know? At some point, you have to tell us if it worked because we need to decide if we still want to do this because you're encroaching on a First Amendment right, our Fourth, our Fifth Amendment, due process, habeas corpus. And I thought this was just supposed to be for like foreign agents.

2:09:39AJ Gentile:But now if an American is on the phone with someone who's a foreign national, now this American is wrapped up in the Patriot Act. When what should happen is as soon as who's ever, surveil foreigners all you want. I don't care. leave my citizens alone. So as soon as you find out, well, all right, this person of interest is on the phone with an American, well, then it stops. Now you have to bring this out of the Patriot Act and put it into our legal system and have a judge look at it and all of that. Not a FISA court rubber stamp where FISA is like 99.97 % just get yes, go whatever you got to do.

2:10:19AJ Gentile:That's another violation of separation of powers. You have no oversight. it just seems like, it doesn't seem like it's what it is. You know, it's interesting too, because if they were doing that with all the, just one aspect, you know, all the mass shootings that are happening, if they were really surveilling everybody, don't you think those people maybe have had some type of communication or, I mean, it's been proven, right? There's been things on Facebook. There's been things on Instagram. If they're on there, they're definitely in text messagings and voice calls and all of that stuff. Unless they want that stuff to happen, maybe they do.

2:11:07Maybe, who knows? Maybe they use it against the Second Amendment.

2:11:11AJ Gentile:Well, rather than even speculate, let's look at an actual case where at some point, I don't remember when, during the Biden administration, Remember you had all these parents that were protesting about whatever trans issues or whatever they were? I'm not interested in that. Believe what you want to believe on that issue. That's none of my business. What I care about is the administration worked with a group to write a letter to the president to designate these Americans as potential domestic terrorists and use the Patriot Act to surveil them and gather records on them and look into them. We can't have that.

2:11:49AJ Gentile:I don't know why there was an outrage over that. These are Americans from the jump. So Patriot Act shouldn't apply. But it does. And no one really challenges it. I don't think anyone even really talks about this that much. I've never heard about it. You know, it all goes back to Snowden because they lied and lied and lied. And then the Snowden documents were, it was just such a bombshell. But not only are they collecting all this stuff, I mean, all of us. every single one of us, but they were in our files, they can read our email, our search history, everything about us, where if I'm charged with something and you use the Patriot Act against me, my first thing would be like, well, it's all inadmissible.

2:12:39AJ Gentile:I'm an American citizen. I have Fourth Amendment right. You didn't have probable cause. Let me see the warrant. Let me see the affidavit. What judge did you use? Well, we use the FISA judge. well with the five the fisa reviews are done in complete secrecy there's no transparency no one can you can't sit in on those you know you can't wander into the courtroom like you can in most towns here and just watch proceedings it's all secret it's just you've got richard nixon who turns the intelligence community foreign and domestic against his political enemies that's bad So then we review that, and you have the church committee, and out of that you get the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 is FISA.

2:13:23What was the church committee?

2:13:24AJ Gentile:That was reviewing all what, like, CIA and FBI was doing. Okay. All the bad stuff kind of came to light during the church committee, and that made Congress realize, oh, they're using FBI to actually go after political enemies. We can't have that. So we'll have FISA, which will review these. But then FISA starts to get abused. And then when the Patriot Act comes along in 2001, it supercharges FISA. And now everything is just rubber stamped. And we don't know really what they're doing with it. We just know they renew it. And whether it's Trump or Biden or Obama, they sign with a pen and there's applause and America's going to be safe.

2:14:09AJ Gentile:And I don't know if there's any evidence of that. You know, out of that time we got the TSA, I think the TSA is just in the way. I think in 2015 they sent, they were called red teams to test the TSA. Like secret shop them. And they created mock weapons and mock explosives. Take a guess at what percentage got through. Oh, man. 95. Are you serious? 95 % got through. So then they tried it again in 2017. 95 % of the weapons? guns, bombs, all of it. So we have a shoe bomber that is ridiculous. So now we're all taking off our shoes. Then we have someone who's going to make a bomb with liquid that's not going to work, but now we can't bring shampoo.

2:14:55AJ Gentile:So I've got my wife emptying her purse because the shampoo is over the ounces. Are you crazy? And you're basically assaulting a grandma. That's really who we're worried about? I'm small government libertarian. And I say get rid of all of that and let the airlines handle their own security. They do it more efficiently. And if the airline's not doing it well, no one will fly on it and they'll go away. And then you wouldn't have to wait on these lines with this ineffective agency. Now, after the red teams filed their report, TSA kind of tried to do a better job. And then they were tested again two years later.

2:15:36AJ Gentile:And I think 60 % got through. It was the majority. So it's ineffective. TSA has never stopped a terrorist, never once. There's zero times. Terrorism is stopped locally by local law enforcement and with federal intervention long before they get to the airport. That's where it happens. People can say I'm wrong, but the data is the data. If they were stopping terrorists all the time, then great. Let's keep doing it. But if it's just a bloated bureaucracy that's making us miserable, I hate going to the airport because of this. it's the worst part of it is doing it and it's so ineffectual so i don't know why it's still there i don't know why we had to create the department of homeland security and take 22 agencies and lump them together with all this overlap and now you've got i mean still this is 25 years just still turf wars and it's my jurisdiction no it's mine it's my collar no it's mine why did i don't know why we needed to create another bureaucracy that's a hundred billion dollars a year.

2:16:39AJ Gentile:It's got a quarter million employees. We had the FBI. We had immigration. We had the Border Patrol. We had all the agencies already. Now, you put them under a cabinet position and it's all this overlap. And I don't think it's not efficient and I don't think it's keeping us safer. Now, I could be wrong. I don't know. I want us to take the right steps to keep us safe. Like I said, I want people in law enforcement and the military to have the best tools to do whatever needs to be done, to be absolutely vicious with our enemies.

2:17:15AJ Gentile:But Americans are not really the enemies. And there needs to be some oversight and transparency because we don't know what any of these agencies are doing. And we see just recently that the FBI was used for political purposes again. So I brought up a couple of cases where it was Democrats using it. But remember, this all comes out of Nixon and Republicans using it. And would President Trump use these agencies to help him? Well, he's doing it now. Maybe it's justified. Maybe it's not. How's he doing it now? I think with him, it's a lot of getting even. Because, you know, they really, what they did to him was just so unprecedented.

2:18:00with a former president to charge him with, what, 97 felonies,

2:18:07AJ Gentile:to try and take him off the ballot in 25 states. I mean, to try to ruin him financially and personally and go through his wife's underwear and drag him through the courts in Georgia and try to make him go broke. So anybody is going to, if you get back in power, if it was me, it'd be the same thing. Well, I'm going to do everything legally, but now comes around, goes around. And that's not really the way it should be. These agencies should be completely agnostic. Like, no, sir, we can't do that. We're not going after the former president and no, President Trump, we're not going after these people.

2:18:46AJ Gentile:We don't do that. We follow crimes. Let's have them do that. You know, what's interesting is the Patriot Act, I mean, it was set in place for terrorism, correct? And so, you know, we were talking about off-camera about, you know, the Taliban funding and all this stuff. And I have a lot of contacts, you know, that are former agency types, former intel types. And one in particular, Sarah Adams, one of the best targeters to ever come out of CIA. and she has broken on the show several times that there are a minimum of a thousand terrorist cells within our country and you know how they communicate so we have the patriot act right it's all basically tech-based people think that these terrorists are dumb because they live in cave you know they live in caves they live in mud huts they wear you know sandals very very it's almost like prehistoric time period when you go there so they have completely they don't communicate through tech at all anymore and so what she says and other intelligence professionals have said is that within these terrorist cells the only way that they communicate with their hq which is in afghanistan is through couriers So there's no texts, there's no emails, there's no voice calls.

2:20:21None of them know where each other are at. So even if you were able to find out where one of the cells are at, you could not interrogate them to find out where the other cells are. They're all completely independent of each other.

2:20:38AJ Gentile:Paramentalization. And they only use couriers, which means they fly a guy in, they brief him, they debrief. The information goes back to HQ in Afghanistan. So it would be impossible to break down the entire network. I can't think of, I don't even know where you would start. I don't know how you would either. I mean, it wasn't that how Osama bin Laden was finally found was through his couriers, right? It wasn't through intercepting any intelligence through wires. It was through a human following this guy around. He's going to this palace. So I think all you're doing there is you're forcing them to learn tradecraft and just get better at tradecraft because they can do that.

2:21:27They pivot. Mm-hmm. What is the Patriot Act turning into?

2:21:33AJ Gentile:I think it's just turned into a political tool at this point. You know, the going after the parents was really a big red flag because the Patriot Act was specifically in that letter. Like, you should use the Patriot Act to go after these people. And I didn't think any of those parents looked like political or domestic terrorists to me. Maybe that's my bias. What parents? There was a lot of parents protesting during the trans controversy in the protesting schools. And part of the administration at that time wanted to label them domestic terrorists and put them under surveillance. And then once they become relevant is the word in the act, once they become relevant to an investigation, then the Bill of Rights is gone.

2:22:28AJ Gentile:then they can just go into your bank account and see what's going on there, your businesses, all of that, and just compile a file on you. It's like that old Soviet saying, well, show me the man and I'll show you the crime. And that's just not how it's supposed to be done. And I don't think it makes us safer. But again, I'm kind of blackpilled on it because once you have that power, you don't want to give it up. If I was in charge, I wouldn't want to give it up either. I would hope that if I was in that position, I would do the right thing, but I don't know. I'm as flawed as anybody else. But when Clapper's caught, I don't know when you left.

2:23:15AJ Gentile:Was Brennan, did you leave before Brennan? 2015. Brennan was 2015. I think we might see some indictments for some of these people. and for everyone screaming left and right, look, these are people on both sides that are going to get caught up in this. But I think we're going to see some indictments. Why do you think that? Because they did it. You know, they did it. You know, the Russia collusion thing, they did it, the Steele dossier. They did it, they did it, they did it. So Clapper lies to Congress and we find out he's violating all of our rights. I think he was DNI at the time. and instead of going to prison, he becomes a contributor on CNN or MSNBC.

2:24:01AJ Gentile:I don't know why he didn't go to prison. I don't know why none of these people go to face any ramifications at all. How about just a misdemeanor? Just show me that we don't live in a two-tiered, three-tiered system where it seems like if I did any of this stuff, I'd go to jail forever. They can't show you. But if you're in the swamp. Because we do live in that. So I can't. I have no solutions. All I have is complaints. Man. What do you think they do with all the information? Most of it I don't think they do anything with. But, you know, if it turns up that, like, do you think that you're of interest to someone somewhere?

2:24:49Right? I know I am.

2:24:51AJ Gentile:Of course. So bad. everything you do is collected right there's probably there's probably two or three collections officers that are just dedicated to what you do why why because man this sounds weird to say and these are not my words but because we have an impact on the consciousness of the u.s that's not that that's dangerous they do not want they want to control the impact. They can't have independent voices controlling the conversation. They've got a lot of them now. You know, I hope that we're past that point of inflection where the independent voices are more powerful. I think they are. I think they are.

2:25:40AJ Gentile:They definitely are. I get more views on a video than all cable news channels combined. So do you. The number views that you get is all of cable combined. There's no power there anymore. And they don't like that. But it's not like we've wrested it away. People just started talking and Americans just want to listen to different voices. And I think we need more of that on every part of the political spectrum.

2:26:19AJ Gentile:Yeah, I think the media is over. I do too. I think it will die with the baby boomer generation. Yep. I think it's done. And I see certain people that I think are injected into the YouTube podcast stratosphere that they try to create narratives. But it's tricky. You know, you could have somebody in here, and I think I've had one or two, not realizing it until afterwards. But, you know, how it works is... Wait a second. You feel like people have come in here to try to push a narrative? Yeah. Did you sniff it out? Yeah. Like, while it was happening, you were like, wait a minute. there's been i've had interviews that i never released um i didn't know that yeah one of i've had a couple not very many but um you know when i was asking you about do you do you feel that you take on a tremendous responsibility i i feel that i have a great responsibility when i'm diving into corruption exposing something exposing evil whatever it may be i i you know you have to fucking be careful with that because you know people base decisions off what is said in here and i remember one specific example i had a guy come on and he was talking about a lot of covid stuff i told you at breakfast i don't like diving into covid because everybody was talking about it i don't really have anything new to bring to the table right You know, and there's a couple, there's January 6th is another one.

2:28:13I don't really feel, there's so many people on that that I don't feel that I, I don't bring anything to the table that hasn't already been said. Also, I mean, with that specific event, J6, I mean, I think everybody was wrong.

2:28:31AJ Gentile:Yep. I mean, if you thought it was a great idea. It was not a great idea. to storm the fucking Capitol. I don't even know, you know what I mean? I don't even know where to begin. Like, not a good idea. And on the other side, you know, when he asked, you know, for National Guard and was denied, I mean. No one talks about that. Yep. That was, there's a whole note, that's wrong, you know? And so I don't think there's any good that came from either side on that. I think that entire event was a black eye on America. But, and now I forgot where I was going with this because we don't - We're talking about people coming in here with an agenda.

2:29:22And so how it works, I mean, you could have somebody sit in here for eight hours. four hours, five hours, whatever, they may only have one specific sentence in that five-hour interview that they want this person to say, and it's going to be a banger. And the other thing that could happen is they will they will

2:29:56predict information that's going to come out in days, weeks, in a month, in a couple months. And they'll make these predictions about what's going to happen, who did what, you know, whatever. And they already know it's not a prediction. It's, or maybe it didn't happen, but that's what's going to play out in mainstream media. And these people will come in and they will make these predictions. And some of these guys and girls will go, they do the circuit. They go on every podcast, right? They go on all the podcasts. And they'll text you like, oh, I said this on your podcast. I said this was going to happen.

2:30:42We should do this again. And it's like, you must have been on 20 fucking podcasts in the past month. and you remember exactly what you said on my podcast, I don't remember what the hell I said yesterday, but you're here to remind me that you predicted this on my fucking show and now you want to come on again. And then another one. And then another one. And it's like, I see what's happening here. You can't give an example, right? What's that?

2:31:13AJ Gentile:You can't give an example. I don't want to drop names because I can't be certain. just like you were doing earlier. Not a name, an idea. Yeah, I don't, I mean, that would give it away. Fair enough. So I don't, because if that person didn't do that, then I destroy. Not pressing. You know what I mean? And so I really try to only talk about things. If I'm going to articulate it, I want it to be true, you know, to the best of my knowledge. And I don't, this is an inclination. This is a feeling that knowing how things work. I've contracted for intelligence agencies at a very low level, but, you know, it wasn't like the, you don't get access to everything and be like, oh, I got a TS clearance now so I can just dive into whatever I want.

2:32:06No, that's not how it works. And so the stuff that I knew was very localized to exactly what I was a part of overseas in Afghanistan, Iraq, those Middle East type stuff. But I'm quick and I see how it works and I've seen how it works in other countries. And so when I start picking up on it, I'm like, no, no, you're not coming back on. No way. too many predictions came true there's no way you could have known that and there's no way out of the 20 podcasts you just did in the past month that you remember exactly what the fuck you talked about on my show this is this smells weird so not doing it again and you know i'm with the in in so that's kind of that's the point that's the point it doesn't it doesn't mean the whole duration of the interview is the message that's trying to be sent.

2:33:09It could be one sentence, or it could just be, let's establish this guy's credibility so that all the podcasts want the breaking news, right? And so I'm in, I mean, I'm slow, but I'm in tune, you know, and I kind of, I know how things work to a certain extent. Not very much, but I can pick up on things. And the other thing that people are really good at is manipulating information. Politicians are amazing at it. You know, statistics only go so far. There's all kinds of sets of statistics that may be true, but there's nuance behind it. And so with the COVID thing, I was interviewing this guy, and he kept saying, saying, hey, COVID was developed in a lab, University of North Carolina.

2:34:03It was patented before COVID ever came out. And it was this long interview all about COVID, COVID, the vaccine, da-da-da-da-da-da-da. And I took the vaccine. I didn't want to take the vaccine, but my son was being born right at that time period. And I was like, well, I've done a lot of drugs in my life. how bad could this be and and if those didn't kill me and i've seen a lot of combat and i've done a lot of dangerous shit right and if none of that killed me then this stupid little vaccine isn't gonna kill me either and it hasn't and i don't have any heart problems at least not yet i don't have any of the weird you know i i don't have any of this the the the whatever so anyways this guy was going on about the cove vaccine how it was developed university in north carolina had a play in it and that it was patented pre-covid but every time he would say the he it was cova 19 cova 19 cova 19 when he would say the vaccine was patented he would say the sars vaccine was patented pre-covid well you know if you look there's like a hundred strands of COVID that have been around for a long, long time.

2:35:23AJ Gentile:Coronavirus is a lot of things. Yep. And so when he kept saying SARS, and I didn't pick up on it right off the bat. It wasn't until after the interview. I called Darren in there, and I was like, we can't release it. And he's like, this is so good. This is so good. It's so corrupt. And I'm like, he kept saying the SARS vaccine. Why didn't he say the COVID-19 vaccine? Because he's not technically lying. Right. I'm sure there were a lot of SARS vaccines that were patented pre-COVID, but he never did say that the COVID-19 vaccine was patented pre-COVID. He would switch it to SARS. So I wouldn't release it because, you know, while I am, I'm not anti-vax.

2:36:12I don't like the COVID vax. took it because I wanted to see my son born. And I was worried that the hospital was going to come out with some, you know what I mean, some weird rule that you had to show your vaccine card or something. And the doctor was pushing it too. But so I took it because I was like, I'm not missing that for anything. I don't care.

2:36:40but when you put something like that out then people start to make they use that in their their decision making process and i don't want to be the guy that's that's that's putting out false information or platforming somebody that's putting out that kind of information that's going to dictate how somebody makes a decision on whether they're going to get the vaccine or not It is what it is. It wasn't the numbers that were reported, you know, but people were dying from it. Yep. And I don't want somebody to die because they didn't take something that may have, probably not. I mean, I got COVID right after I took the fucking vaccine.

2:37:21Of course. They couldn't even figure out how to test for it. It's like, well, let's take another one. Well, this one's non-conclusive.

2:37:27AJ Gentile:I think it's technically therapeutic. But I wouldn't put it out because I didn't, I was like, I can't have people making decisions off something that I'm not certain about. I mean, we talk, you know, we talk about aliens, we talk about conspiracies, but that's fun shit to think about. Doesn't really matter, you know. Okay, so if it is true, it's not going to affect your decision-making process throughout the day. you're not going to make life-changing decisions based off of whether there was aliens or there isn't aliens or they remote viewed alien bases and fucking alaskan mountains or if there's aliens on the moon like cool if they're there they're there and if they're not they're not doesn't really like it might affect me but there's no decision that i can make that's going to change the outcome of that right and so i'm very particular about if i if i talk about a subject like that i'm very particular on on who i get and what's being put out and there's been others i did one on the world economic forum that was like this and he the guy couldn't even tell me what the the uh world economic forum was i'm like yeah but what is it he's like well the google chrome sign is a 666.

2:38:41And I'm like, okay, that's another subject. What is the World Economic Forum? Is it a business? What is it? What kind of entity is it? Do you know? Well, if you look at the Bible, it says this. And I'm like, don't be out here quoting scripture in the middle of this interview. I'm asking about the World Economic Forum.

2:39:01AJ Gentile:Was he a part of it? Was he a member of it? No, no, no. He was in a group that a lot of wild things came out of and i'll tell you i'll tell you more about it after the interview but but i i just i caught it i was like this is bullshit like you're just trying to fucking get notoriety and fame and whatever the hell you're pushing i don't know what it is but it doesn't even make any damn sense so let's just cut this right now get the fuck out of here yeah but But, you know, so, I mean, the disinformation agents are everywhere. And also, I mean, I think a lot of people don't even realize that they are disinformation agents.

2:39:43It's just, you know, they get fed some bullshit from the government. And then they start talking about it. And they wrap their whole identity around it. And it becomes their identity.

2:39:55AJ Gentile:Well, I mean, we have Operation Mockingbird that really happened. where you've got 400 people in major news networks that are just mouthpieces for intelligence. And you had journalists that were actually operatives. Their cover was just, I'm a journalist. You had journalists introducing politicians overseas. And you had journalists that were essentially bag men for the agency overseas. Or they would say, you can use my hotel room for that meeting. So that's not 100 years ago. That's 30 years ago. And I don't think it ever really ended. I think that's why this platform is a problem, because you can have that interview, you can smell something that smells funny, and you can say, Darren, let's cut it.

2:40:44AJ Gentile:But MSNBC doesn't do that. They read it, and it's just out there. And you see all the media say the same thing. Fox, they all say the same stuff. There's no one saying, you know what? That didn't feel right. Let's cut it. But you can do that here. that's a problem we don't cut much the only time i'll cut something is you know we get a lot of military guys that were on high profile missions and stuff like that and sometimes it's it's in the moment it can be hard to know like is this still classified should i be talking about this am i giving up tactics and so sometimes guys will call in and they'll be like hey can we just cut like that one sliver i said somebody's name that person is still in or you know what i mean and i don't want to blow their cover stuff like that i did it with the sam shoe made interview where we talked about the tesla bomber at uh trump hotel in vegas you know we had actually um that guy was on a mission where in afghanistan the um the uh the bomber he was a green beret he was on a mission where they blew up a bunch of a big poppy farm and killed a lot of people, a lot of innocent people.

2:41:59And was it the UN or NATO did an investigation on it? I was like, is this shit real? So we looked it up, and sure as shit, there was a UN or a NATO report, I can't remember, on it. And it did actually happen, and one of the DEA operatives reached out to me and was like, I was on that. My name was in that email. could you please black it out because I'm still undercover and I'm doing different stuff and if that comes out then I'm screwed. And I was like, yep, we'll black the name out. Like I'm not going to compromise U.S. Intel guys or DEA or military that are still active because, I mean, they're doing a job.

2:42:38AJ Gentile:They don't have an agenda, they're just doing a job. So I'll take stuff like that out, but I won't take it. And then we just had somebody, actually, that had somewhat of a relationship with Epstein. And they wanted that pulled out. And I was like, that's like the whole interview. I can't pull that. You said no. I said, it's in there or we're not kicking it out the door. Okay. Well, you gave them the option. Yeah. And they were like, okay, okay, put it out. I have to look at that one. I have to watch that one. It's not out. Oh. They said, put it, oh, they're like, okay, fine, put it out. And then they're like, no, no, no, just take this.

2:43:19And I was like, just fuck that. We're not dealing with this shit. Like, you come in here, you know what this is. Be ready to do it or don't come. And so, but that's kind of how I deal with it. But that's how it works, man. That's how it works. It could be one sentence in a several-hour-long interview, and that's the snippet. that's what they want to inject into the consciousness of the people.

2:43:47AJ Gentile:Do you think that changes from administration to administration? Do you think it's operating, I don't want to say shadow government, but it seems like that goes on no matter who's in the White House. Yeah, I don't think any of these people are good. I don't think they are good people at their core. And I think this just continues to happen. The agenda's changed, but the tactics don't. Do you think they think they're good? I think that they fall into traps, and they don't see a way out. And then they just get sucked in. I can see that. I can understand that. I think some of them maybe start out.

2:44:30I think there are good ones in there. The only politicians that I really trust is Eli Crane out of Arizona and Tim Burchett. at knoxville tennessee those are the only ones that i 99.9 think are good human beings and cannot be swayed and those two have been stonewalled by intelligence yep yep i even when i got approached about running you know i called a couple of people two of the both of those guys i called and i was like i want to have an impact i've been approached about running what do you think and they're like don't do it and eli for an example he's like i can't get on any of these fucking committees he's like they won't put me on any of these committees because i won't play ball right and he goes if you can't get into the committees you're just a beat suit in a chair you have no impact and and they're and on top of that they said what you're doing now has way more impact than you ever could have if you were to say that to get into office so i decided i'm not doing it and then diving into it more i do i think that's how they're controlled and being you know going like at the beginning when we were talking about the entertainment industry which i hate you know it's it's you start to see like they want you to talk about this subject they want you to talk about that subject they don't want you to talk to this person and it's like your job is to get me business not talk about who i talk to or what i talk about go get business don't fucking interfere with my show and and so you know i got rid of all of them and i start to see it again you know like i said with with politicians you know you come in here i think we share you know the at the beginning some of the ones that i brought on i in a lot of these people weren't even they weren't even on the radar to get picked up at the administration you know so i didn't i didn't know i didn't even know their aspirations i did they were just good guests to get but you know now that i've created this network within politics it's they try to manipulate me of course and it's it can be hard to get a phone call from somebody very powerful that wants you to do something.

2:47:13And I just ghost them now. In fact, I'm getting ready. I had told you I get so paranoid about it that it sent me down this rabbit hole. I had to find the black phone that can't be traced. I found it. But it's going to be a big step to be untraceable, a really big step to be untraceable. Yeah. If you don't have a phone number, that's how you do it. If you don't have a phone number, I think the Patriot Act would find you relevant for investigation. Well, I'm going to try it. And then we're developing – the phone's very expensive. And so anyways, we're developing an app that's more consumer-friendly that doesn't have all the features that the phone has, but it's enough to make you invisible.

2:48:05AJ Gentile:I would like to learn more about that at some point. I'll tell you about it offline. Okay. I can't go too far into it quite yet. They don't want that app coming out. But it's happening. We're doing it. But I think what happens is that they fall into these traps, not realizing they're a trap. That's where I was going in the entertainment industry. There's also traps. There's these favors. I did this for you. You didn't do that. You didn't do shit for me. I could have connected with that person on my own. Right. I didn't fucking need you. Go get business. But it becomes this favor brokering thing.

2:48:45And what I see, and this is very recent, is I see how minuscule the favors are. And it's like, this person helped me do this, so you shouldn't talk to this person about this. And it's like, that person was just doing their fucking job, man. that's not a favor. That's their job is to get your ass in there. That's not a favor. And so if the favors start at that minuscule of a level, then what happens when the big favors start coming up? Like Epstein protecting your friends, shit like all the corruption that we see happening. And I think they get so wrapped up in these favors and they get trapped and then it gets more evil and more evil and more evil and they don't say a way out and they get addicted to power, really addicted to power, and they are controlled through favors, blackmail, shit like that.

2:49:47AJ Gentile:Don't do favors. I never ask favors. I was teasing Jeremy about it, offering all kinds of great stuff, contacts, whatever. I said I don't ask favors because when I do, I really need it. But I don't ask favors. That and those favors, yeah. I don't ask for favors either. But when you do, it's like, oh, he really needs a hand here. Yep. Have you seen guests you had on on other shows that you released and realized you got burned? How so? What do you mean? Meaning like you let an episode go out and this person shows up on another show or two and you're like, ah, goddammit, they got me. what do you mean they got me they got that one line out no okay well i don't really watch any other shows okay so i like i said i get all of my information through this not all of it but the majority i i i scroll enough to get interest in certain subjects you're i'm not fucking around you're the only you are the only you the y files is the only YouTube channel that I watch on a consistent basis.

2:51:01But I don't do it. And also, I don't want to take somebody else's creativity, you know, because when you start to watch all this other stuff, it's like, oh, I should be doing that. I don't want that. I want everything here to be organically generated, the set, everything, you know, and it's my creation. It's what me and my team have come up with. not we need to be more like this guy or we need to be more like this guy so now i haven't seen i haven't seen a one-liner you know that and it would be impossible to pick out because a lot of times they're talking about the same shit but but um so no it's just it's just

2:51:45it's just a thought that'll that'll hit me like a bolt of lightning all of a sudden and it's like that was a mistake. Yeah. But you couldn't have known. You couldn't have known it was a mistake at the time. Especially if they're really good at it. It's in retrospect that you see it.

2:52:05AJ Gentile:It's a very strange position that you're in. I don't envy it. It's tough. It's a lot of stress and anxiety. I bet. You know, just with the things I do is stress enough, but this is serious what you do here. I'm just an entertainer. At least that's, you know, I just talk to a fish is my line. Yeah, well, you're kicking a lot of rocks over. That can be dangerous. There's a lot of centipedes under there. Yep. I try not to name names if I don't have to. You know, I mention Clapper because that infuriates me. But I try not to criticize anyone who's, like, around. I'm not looking to make enemies. I'm not looking to embarrass anybody or out anybody.

2:52:46AJ Gentile:um you know when i talk about the the conspiracies and alien stuff the only names i really name are like the guys who say they were in the marines and they did this thing like i stolen balors i'm wired to not like that so i'll just name your names but otherwise nah i just not looking to make waves yeah yeah yeah we've had a couple of stolen valor guys on in fact one of them the army is investigating that person on stolen valor and uh if it comes out i'm waiting for the official investigation to run but if it comes out then i'll oh have to make some kind of a statement or something but because you released that episode yeah yeah but that person's been around for a long time i got a lot of flack after um afterwards this person came on and then all these other people started diving into his background and it's caused a lot of it's been a huge pain in my ass but i i can't i mean i can't verify you know somebody's service account no that would take months maybe years you know to track everybody down that was there and i mean it makes me sick that somebody would do that but you know my argument i got approached by somebody my argument was well you know i see you coming at me and you're fucking blaming me for platforming this person how would i have known that and you know but so it's great you want to hold me accountable Why don't you hold the fucking U.S.

2:54:30Army accountable? Right. That would be the right thing to do because I'm just a podcaster. This person is still in.

2:54:42So don't you think that the U.S. Army should be held accountable for sending a guy out and spreading bullshit, fucking stolen valor lies? I never thought of that. Maybe you should fucking think about that.

2:54:54AJ Gentile:He was sent out by the Army? He wasn't sent out by the Army, but he's still in. Yeah, it's... But they took that, you know, suggestion that I did, and they got in touch with whoever at the Army, and now the Army has actually opened an investigation on this person. Well, good. So, yeah, but... People think maybe we, and certainly you, should be doing more background than we do, And it's like, I get things wrong all the time. And I just try to be as honest as possible. Like, I'm not an expert on any of this. No, I didn't look into this person's background since the beginning. So, yeah, that whole thing was bullshit.

2:55:38AJ Gentile:You know, I'm sorry. I'm just trying to entertain. You can't track down all of these people in their entire background. You just never get anything done. Yeah, exactly. And back to my previous point, whether it's stolen valor or not, and it very likely is, I mean, that's not affecting somebody's decision making. No. So it's a fictional novel that you're listening to instead of actual events of that. But now it does really fucking piss me off because if he did that, that takes away from every other heroic icon that sat across from me in that chair, and that's disgusting. But did it affect somebody's decision-making throughout the day?

2:56:29AJ Gentile:No, it didn't. And I don't think your audience forgives you. They understand, I would guess. Mine does for the most part, the good ones. Yeah, me too. Me too. If I get something wrong, I just say it. The loudest motherfucker in the room is always the biggest shitbag. That's right. So it's just the problem is I tend to gravitate toward the negativity bias. You know, I'll ignore 99 compliments, and then the one guy who's screaming at me for the thing I got wrong and the stupid thing I said, that's what I focus on. It ruins my day. It's like, this guy's name is like Joe Below 69. What do I even care?

2:57:10AJ Gentile:Yeah. But I can't help it. It's probably a bot anyways. Probably a bot. This episode is brought to you by Facebook. So you were scrolling on Marketplace, and there it was, the bike you'd been searching for. You sent a message, and it turned out the seller was super chatty, kind of funny, and an avid cyclist. The next thing you know, you're in a cycling crew. Well, a community cycling group. The thing about Facebook, you might find more than what you're looking for. From a browse to a bike ride This summer, find more on Facebook But let's dive into the giants Okay, good, we'll lighten it up You see, I get all cagey with Patriot Act But giants will be fine Giants are fun And where do you want to start?

2:57:58AJ Gentile:The beginning? Yeah Giants are in every culture's history Every culture's got giants mentioned Ancient Indian Vedas Native Americans, Island of Malta, East Asian, every culture has giants. And the Bible, of course. Epic of Gilgamesh. So giants show up all through our culture. And whenever I see that, a lot of what I do is just pattern recognition. I wasn't even really a flood myth guy until I started doing my show. And it's like, Like this flood story keeps showing up over and over no matter what I'm talking about. The flood myth shows up and it's always showing up at the same time as like the end of the Younger Dryas.

2:58:46AJ Gentile:Like these things, it's just the same pattern over and over. Maybe it's a coincidence, but if one culture has a story about a flood, then they have a story. If two cultures have it, it could be a coincidence. But if you get 40 or 300, then maybe there's something to it. Maybe it really happened. So I'm pretty sure that flood happened. Now as for giants, giants is tricky because we don't have any hard evidence, but we have a lot of circumstantial evidence where the most recent would probably be late 19th century, early 20th, where you just have these discoveries all over America, over a thousand of them, of these amateur archaeologists finding giant bones and um the story is always the same as this this guy's he's you know he's digging he's like desecrating a native american burial mound finds these giant bones calls the smithsonian they come over they investigate they take the bones they go back and then it disappears like that happens over and over through these stories is the smithsonian conspiracies always involved but um so are you saying this the smithsonian hides evidence of giants i'm saying that the the conspiracy theory is that the smithsonian hides evidence of a lot of things the smithsonian of which i'm a huge fan of like if i go to dc i spend four days there i love i love the like the museum part but what we don't see is all the we don't see the kind of the the dark underside of the smithsonian like when it was formed like the vatican the vatican we can talk about that too the smithsonian i think the first director might have been john wesley powell i could be fact checked on that who was um like he spent a lot of time with native americans he respected them he saw them as very intelligent and resourceful.

3:00:48AJ Gentile:So they were well represented in the Smithsonian, but then he appointed, I forget the gentleman's name, but he was like the chief ethnographer for the East Ohio or something like this, some crazy title. And he gets into a position of power and it turns out that he sees Native cultures as Native Americans as subhuman. He called them specimens. He would put their body parts on display and stuff and look at these Native American specimens. So there'd be all these discoveries of these amazing mounds, like the Serpent Mountain in Ohio and all this stuff all around the country. And the Smithsonian would say there must have been another advanced race here because Native Americans are just too, they're savages.

3:01:39AJ Gentile:They couldn't never build this. and that became kind of embedded in the Smithsonian for a long, long time, is this isolationist theory is what they called it where before it was called diffusionism, where diffusionism was cultures from all around the world interacted. But then the new regime came in and said there's no way that Native Americans from the Mississippian culture could interact with the Mayans or the Incas. They were too savage to do that, which is ridiculous. That's like saying that Carthage didn't have anything to do with Rome. Of course they did. And we've learned later that some of the biggest, most advanced cities in the world of the ancient world were here in America.

3:02:28AJ Gentile:Like the city of Cahokia was a Mississippian culture. It was bigger than London. It was bigger than Paris. It was like a big advanced civilization that just got kind of covered over. And so the Smithsonian just sort of had this worldview that they're just locked into it. And I think we see a lot of that with pseudoscience, pseudo-archaeology. If it doesn't fit the mainstream narrative, then you're marginalized, you're censored. You know, again, Graham Hancock, when Ancient Apocalypse came out, it was called the most dangerous series on Netflix because it was white supremacy and all this crazy stuff.

3:03:09AJ Gentile:White supremacy? Because if it's an advanced civilization that was here before us, the implication is that it was white. He never says anything like that. He never says anything like that. He's married to a woman of color. So it's infuriating because he took a lot of heat for that show. I love that show. Of course. And you don't have to believe all of it. And I don't subscribe to everything he does, but I'm fascinated by the topics. And we can get back to giants in a second. I'm just trying to set up that there are forces that want to keep certain things away from us. There's an initiative right now to have the Smithsonian catalog and make public everything they have there, which I don't think is going anywhere.

3:03:57AJ Gentile:The Smithsonian gets very strange carve-outs of laws. There was a law passed not too long ago which required all museums to return anything that was of value to Native American cultures back to the tribes, especially if it was funeral, anything like funeral, whatever it's called, death rights or whatever, to return all that stuff. so this law is passed the museums have to do all that but you specifically it says in line after line smithsonian is exempt smithsonian doesn't count smithsonian doesn't have to do any of this so they don't have to respond to any of it so then we go back to grand canyon or the giants and we don't really know.

3:04:48AJ Gentile:It's hard to know what's true because there's over a thousand reports and newspapers of these findings. But the mainstream narrative is giants were cool at the time, it was hoaxes, and it was just to make money. But it's just too many coincidences. And there's one giant story that's interesting because it overlaps several cultures, native cultures, where you've got in like the Mississippi Valley, they have these Indian myths about these giants that are cannibals. So they're eating the people and they get driven west by the tribes. They unite and drive them west into like Nevada and California.

3:05:37AJ Gentile:And they end up at what's known as Lovelock Cave. And the Lovelock Cave Giants are famous giants. They're the red-haired giants. so the story goes that they're they're at war with all these tribes and during the war when the natives are falling they're like eating them in the battlefield so it unites the tribes and they drive them into Lublock Cave and they seal the cave and they set fire to the whole place and an archaeologist goes in there and finds sandals that are like size 29 and these giant just giant clothes that like i'm not making this part up you can go see this like what why is there a sandal that's this size that are all found in the cave and bones and red hair but um and all that stuff has been sent back and then it's just gone And as recently as just maybe like 20 years ago, at some point someone discovered these giant coffins, giant coffins with lids on them, and they were sent to the Smithsonian.

3:06:52Was there anything in the coffin?

3:06:53AJ Gentile:Not that I'm aware of, but they were coffins and they were big. And Native cultures didn't do that. They didn't have coffins or bury their dead, at least none that I'm aware of. That was not part of their culture. So this was very strange. So those were sent to the Smithsonian. And then it kind of disappeared. But then not too long ago, someone picked up in the story and asked the Smithsonian about them. And they said, we do have record of receiving that, but we don't know where they are. And that was kind of the end of it. And then a few years later, someone else got involved. I think it was John Tierney.

3:07:29AJ Gentile:John Tierney really went after Smithsonian hard. He wrote a book about, like, Smithsonian is the greatest cover-up. So it might have been tyranny that he said, okay, I know that you said you received these. You can't find them. I need you to find them. And they said, okay, we found them. But they're in a warehouse that's got an asbestos problem, so no one could go in there. And he said, well, when can we go in there? And they said, about 10 years. And that was really the last of it. So the Smithsonian gets wrapped up in all these weird conspiracies. There's the Akambaro statues, which is very controversial, which is like 3 ,000 artifacts that show humans riding dinosaurs.

3:08:15AJ Gentile:They show Asians, Africans, you know, races that shouldn't be around there that are carbon dated to 2 ,500 years ago, 3 ,500 years ago. And they're sent to Smithsonian. The Smithsonian said, yeah, these things are 30 years old. They're a hoax. but they were independently validated by other labs saying, no, these things are really, really old. So it's like, no, it's a hoax. And then as time goes on, all those other labs become discredited. Like, oh, their techniques weren't modern. And that's kind of where the Akambara has ended up as far as I know. Because I don't know if anyone really cares enough to follow up on stuff like that.

3:08:54AJ Gentile:I do. So I kind of want to know, like, what do you have down there? I think they have almost a billion artifacts that we can't see. And I just want to know what they are. So all those giant bones that were found, okay, I'm sure 99 % of them were hoaxes. And maybe there's a half a percent that were mastodon bones that were misidentified. But what happened in Lovelock Cave? We know stuff was in there because there was a tribal leader, a woman, who became kind of a famous author. She had red hair woven into some of her traditional garb, and she said it's from the Lovelock Giants. Where did she get that red hair?

3:09:40AJ Gentile:So I'm not saying it's real. I'm just saying I would like to know what's the chain of custody there. So there's just a lot of those. i mean that this all came from biblical stuff though correct yeah so the the biblical giants you don't see much of them in in like in in the canonical bible the nephilim are mentioned once and i could talk about them a little bit but we learn more about giants when the book of enoch is discovered and um the book of enoch was discovered when like an adventurer i forget when it was maybe 18th century was looking for the source of the nile river which was kind of a big deal at the time and he found it and it was somewhere in ethiopia and um he gets to know the the locals there and they're ethiopian jews that have been there for 3 000 years so he's friendly with them they take him up to their whatever you call it their church and he sees this giant book you know what's like a giant book what's that he said that's the bible he said oh it's a bible they said no no that's the bible you know when the king jesus bible i don't know how many books it is like 66 or something like that where this had over 100 books and in there were book of enoch the book of giants all all this other stuff so you have genesis that starts you know um basically let there be light.

3:11:12AJ Gentile:But in this expanded Bible, you have all this stuff that happened before then. So we know a little bit about Moses from the Bible, but if you read these other books, you learn all about Moses and Enoch and Methuselah. And these men are all related. And going back this 10 or 12 generations from Adam, it's all in there. And this kind of ties in with the pseudo-archaeology and how mainstream wants you to stay in your lane. So this book is discovered and they've had this for thousands of years. There's the story of the Queen of Sheba. There's only a little bit about her in the main Bible, but this expanded Bible has the Queen of Sheba going up to meet King Solomon and she's fascinated by him and they fall in love and she gives him a child named Menelik and that ties into the Ark of the Covenant and all that stuff.

3:12:04AJ Gentile:So we have that one story, but it's kind of an outlier. It's Ethiopian Jews, which is kind of strange, but illegitimate. But then much later, the Dead Sea Scrolls are found. And then among the thousands of parchment, there's the Book of Enoch, copies and copies of it, and the Book of Giants. So the story is that there's these sky gods. And this story, for people who know it, is going to track exactly with the Anunnaki. It's going to track right with it. This Bible story is going to track right with it. So you've got these sky gods, and they send watchers down to earth, and their job is to shepherd and guide humans, teach them animal husbandry and agriculture and all that stuff.

3:12:56But the watchers become corrupt and fascinated with human women.

3:13:02AJ Gentile:The hecklefish says, uh-oh, that's not going to end well. and it didn't. So the watchers who are probably angels, they interbreed with humans and then their offspring are the Nephilim and the Nephilim are these, they're giants. In some books, they're 350 feet tall. They're vicious. They're violent. They're cannibals. And these are the unholy offspring of the angels and humans. Is it angels and humans or demons and humans? In the earlier books, what's the difference? I don't think the books really take a stance because the watchers are there with good intentions. But I think there's lessons in all of that that anyone can be corrupted.

3:13:57AJ Gentile:Certainly Persian women are pretty enough. So the giants now are, they're ravaging the world and they're just making a mess of things. And that's when God decides it's got to stop. We got to start over. And then he wipes it away with the flood. But the book of Enoch expands on all of that and has Enoch going up to heaven to speak to God. And that's heresy to say because heaven's not supposed to be a place. like mortal man can't go to heaven and certainly can't come back, but Enoch did. And he was specifically taken there. I think he was taken there by Uriel and taken up there in a chariot of fire.

3:14:40AJ Gentile:And then Enoch is walking around heaven, but he's describing a place where he's seeing tall beings of light going about their business and the walls are covered with how he describes as emeralds that are just blinking lights on and off. And he talks about how he can see all the earth, and he describes how he can see how the winds are made, and I can see every lake and river on the earth. And when you think of heaven, you think of clouds in the sky, but Enoch said that there's a roof, there's a ceiling, and everything is shiny. And what it sounds like he's describing is a spacecraft, if you read the book.

3:15:26AJ Gentile:Like if you read the book through a modern lens, it's like this guy is on a UFO is where Enoch is. So he's up there and they take him all around the cosmos. And this is all in the book. He describes the solar system and he's told the earth goes around the sun in 364 days, which we weren't supposed to know any of that then in the book of Enoch. and then he's given a directive from God to go take this message down to the Nephilim and the Watchers that if you don't get your shit together it's going to get bad down here and they ignore the order and that's when the flood comes and then only one man is chosen to survive the flood and that's Enoch's grandson and that's Noah and that's where the Noah's Ark story comes from but it tracks pretty closely with the Anunnaki story and the cataclysm and attracts a little bit with the epic of Gilgamesh and Utnapishtim and the flood there and a lot of these other stories.

3:16:31AJ Gentile:Wow, that's fascinating. I think so. Didn't the Smithsonian cover up Adam and Eve or something? Are you talking about the Adam and Eve book? Yes. Oh, that's a different one. So that's a book that was released is 1966 by Dr. Chan Thomas, and it's called The Story of Adam and Eve. And that story, the title sounds cute until you read it and you realize he's talking about really Adam and Eve. And the story about the story is, it's this 278-page manuscript that is classified by the CIA, and they've removed 200 pages. There's only like 50 or 60 pages left, and half of those are blank. and the CIA says it's been sanitized.

3:17:20AJ Gentile:And the reason that the CIA was so interested in the book of Adam and Eve is because it describes the end of the world. And Dr. Thomas in the book talks about pole shifts and what happens when the poles shift. Something happens to the inner core of the earth, our electrical field gets thrown off, and when that happens, the poles shift, and it's something that happens over and over and over again. And his pole shift is a 90-degree shift, So Antarctica goes to the equator and the equator goes down south. Like it's violent. And as it's shifting, the atmosphere continues to rotate, you know, west to east.

3:18:01AJ Gentile:So that just, he describes in the book just walls of water and this wind and debris just tearing across everything. Cities are reduced to waste. He says New York, Boston, Chicago, LA are nothing but memories. New York is at the bottom of the sea and Antarctica is at the equator and becomes you know like a tropical land and the story is the CIA wanted this suppressed because it would cause chaos and all that and that was a story that was recommended that I cover and it was one that I got a lot of angry people angry at me because I debunked all of it I didn't like the whole thing that it was never 287 pages or whatever.

3:18:44AJ Gentile:It was just 50, 60 pages. And it was never classified. What happened was, and they said Chan Thomas was a fake name, but it's not. His name is Dr. Chauncey Powers. Chauncey Powers Thomas. And the book was never classified. What happened was he was an engineer at McDonnell Douglas working on anti-gravity and missile guidance and kind of some weird stuff like that. And his co-worker said he's very intelligent, but he's kind of eccentric. And what I believe happened, because I found the CIA file on him, is they've got the book, but there's also like People Magazine, and there's a shopping list, and there's like random documents.

3:19:26AJ Gentile:And I think it was just, he's working on this like top secret, top secret stuff. He's wacky. They probably had just an officer just keeping an eye on him. Like, we just keep a file on him because he's on Johnny Carson. This is a weird guy. He's not supposed to do that kind of stuff. And the book was never really classified. He updated it and updated it. It was never classified. Then later he writes a book about, he updates it. He adds angels and UFOs and ESP into the book. It starts to get kind of wild. He writes another book about how to give natural childbirth, which I thought was strange. Interesting.

3:20:08Where were you going with the Vatican?

3:20:10AJ Gentile:I wasn't going anywhere. We could talk about the Vatican. I'd love to talk about the Vatican. Man, where do we start? Where do we start with the Vatican? The secret archives? Yeah. What's in there? So many rumors about what's down there. The Vatican secret archives, they're down under the Vatican. They're called the apostolic archives. You can't go there. I mean, you can. You can. People can go to the Vatican archives. You have to get permission. It's like a 10 to 15 year wait. And you have to tell them what you want to see before you go. So, and while you're there, you can't touch anything. Someone will turn the pages for you and all of that.

3:20:47AJ Gentile:So, you kind of can't go there. But rumored to be down there is the Spear of Destiny. The Ark of the Covenant is supposed to be down there. The menorah. What is the Spear of Destiny? That is the Spear of Destiny or the Holy Lance was with the Roman soldier pierced Christ. when he was on the cross. That's the Spear of Destiny. That was something that Hitler was very interested in finding. Hitler was chasing these artifacts all over the place. As soon as the Nazis conquered France, they started digging everywhere. The Chargers Cathedral was where the Ark was supposed to be. They were digging up everywhere looking for stuff.

3:21:25AJ Gentile:It's like Indiana Jones, which got a lot of those things right. My favorite object that's supposed to be down there is called the chronovisor. and this is an object that lets you see through time. I don't know if you've ever heard of this. I don't think I have. So chrono means time, visor means see. So this is an object that you can see through time. It was invented by, his name is Pellegrino Arnetti. Father Pellegrino Arnetti was, he was a priest but he was also a physicist and he was like an expert at music. And he was working with, I think his supervisor's father, Father Jim Melli. who's working at a university or something.

3:22:04AJ Gentile:And what they're doing is they're studying Gregorian chants and listening to records and cataloging things. And they're listening to one record, and Father Gemelli says, I recognize that voice. And they play it back, and they're like, well, who's that? And he's like, that's my father. I'm like, well, what is he saying? He's talking about leather and prices. Well, it turns out his father was like a shoemaker, like a cobbler. And he heard his father's voice selling somebody's shoes. So they end up isolating these voices and come to the conclusion that all the objects around us are vibrating with an energy and picking up all the conversations.

3:22:45AJ Gentile:Everything we're saying is getting absorbed into everything around us. And that if you can tune into the right frequency, you can hear that. And if you can really zero in on it, you can see what's going on. and Father Ernetti gets together this group of rock star physicists led by Enrico Fermi who worked on the Manhattan Project, a heavy hitter, and nine or ten others, and they build this device called the chronovisor. And Father Ernetti goes and he looks back at Mussolini's speeches and then he goes back further and he's looking at watching old Roman plays that no longer exist. And what really put it on the map was he took a picture of Christ's crucifixion and released it.

3:23:36AJ Gentile:And it's a wild photograph because it's Jesus Christ on the cross. Wow. And so he releases that to the public and it hits the newspapers, especially in Italy, like crazy. I think this was the 60s. and becomes a sensation. So I covered that story, but ended up finding out that the Christ in his photograph looks an awful lot like a Christ statue that was carved somewhat recently to that era that was in a cathedral in Spain. And it turned out that's really what it was, was he had this photograph that he said he saw Christ, but it was just his photograph. of the statue. And then he backtracked a little bit and he said, well, you know, this is really the photograph and the statue is based on this, but that's not what happened.

3:24:34AJ Gentile:So we don't, so the chronovisor is just this legend, but according to the story, the Vatican releases a statement at some point that says that anyone who's caught trying to look or listen through time is excommunicated. And that's kind of how that story ends. I couldn't find any evidence of that. Wow. Man, I thought you were going towards, I just watched this episode about this device. Actually, I saw it on, I can't remember if it was Graham Hancock or Builders of Ancient Mysteries or something, bam. And they found this device at the bottom of the ocean, supposedly. You ruined it for me, AJ. The Antikythera mechanism?

3:25:18Is that the thing where they found it and it had all these gears? Yes. None of the watchmakers. They had Hublot come out, and they were the only ones that were able to replicate it. And it was supposedly like this, I don't know, 12 ,000-year-old device or something. And it perfectly simulated the rotation of the solar system.

3:25:37AJ Gentile:Yes, and the stages of the moon and a lot of different things. It was like a mechanical almanac is what it was, all these phases of the moon. That wound up being bullshit, right? Not bullshit. I mean, it's a real thing, and the craftsmanship is amazing. What's most amazing is that it survived at the bottom of the sea for a thousand years or whatever. But as they recreated it, they learned that the technology to do this existed. It existed. They can do this. It just, not a lot of that stuff survived because it's so delicate. But this was at the bottom of the sea. I think it's still fascinating.

3:26:24I mean, even a thousand years ago to be able to simulate that. So they did have that technology?

3:26:29AJ Gentile:Yeah, to make gears and do all that stuff, they did. If you look at, like Archimedes goes back even further than that, and some of the technology he came up with was wild. The Archimedes screw is still used as a way to get water to flow backwards because it goes up a screw. It's a revolutionary thing. But he was famous for creating all these crazy weapons. And one of his famous weapons was these giant mirrors that he used to burn the Roman fleet when they were sailing it. I think it was from Sicily. It was Archimedes. So these ancient cultures, they're just way more intelligent than I think we give them credit for, which goes back to the giants and the suppression.

3:27:26AJ Gentile:And if it doesn't fit what we know about Egypt, then it's wrong and you're an idiot. But our ancestors were pretty resourceful. They made some cool stuff. Yeah, no kidding. I mean, back to Stonehenge, Machu Picchu, Easter Island, the pyramids, all that stuff, man. It's wild. It's like... Yeah, the Baalbek stone, they don't even know how they made that. But that's, you know, it's like... What's the Baalbek stone? That's in Lebanon. They just found a third one not too long ago. I think the biggest one is called the Stone of the Pregnant Woman. And it's massive. It's just a big block and it's dramatic looking because it's kind of laying in the ground at an angle.

3:28:07AJ Gentile:You can only get a sense of the scope if you see a person standing on it because they're like that tall. And they don't know how this was quarried because it's perfect. And it's the biggest megalith that we've ever found is this giant stone. They don't know what it was for. They don't know who built it or how they possibly could have done it. But then they found another stone and there's these megalithic structures all over the area that are huge stones. They don't know how to put them in place. And then they just found a third stone very recently that I think is bigger than the other ones. Something like 20 million pounds.

3:28:41AJ Gentile:Like, unbelievable. Holy shit. Man, you uncover some wild stuff, too. It's all rabbit holes. Man, it's cool. I love it. I remember watching this one where there's these holes in the ground, and I think it's the Northwest, right? It's Mel's Hole? Is that what it is? Where this guy was, like, put fishing line down there? Yes. You can never find the bottom? Yeah, that's Ellensburg, Washington. So do you want me to tell you the story? Yeah, but do you ever go see this stuff? No, not really. Why? Well, I mean, if I debunk a story, why go see it? Did you debunk that? How can I tell you that I haven't told a story yet?

3:29:31Let's hear it.

3:29:32AJ Gentile:All right. Mel Waters buys his property in Ellensburg at like Monastash Ridge in Washington in that area and there's a hole on his property and he sees that like all his neighbors are throwing all kinds of crap into the hole like old washing machines and all kinds of stuff they're just using it as a dump and so he starts doing the same thing, they're all just throwing stuff in the hole and after a while he wonders why does this not fill up it's very strange So he goes over there and he's just kind of, he can't see the bottom. He can't hear an echo. And he's out there investigating with his dog.

3:30:10AJ Gentile:And he's looking and he looks and his dog won't come close. Like his dog is like, will not come near the hole. And he looks up and birds are flying around it. Like nothing wants to come near this hole. So he wants to figure out how deep this thing goes. And he's a fisherman. So he puts fishing line down there and he's got 5 ,000 feet. and he doesn't hit bottom. He does another spool. He's got 10 ,000 feet. He ties lifesavers on the bottom of it to put it down there to see if they'll come dissolved. Maybe it's a well. 20 ,000 feet, 50 ,000. He hits about 16 miles of line down and he doesn't hit the bottom with it.

3:30:5016 miles of line. 16 miles of line. 16 or 60? 16.

3:30:56AJ Gentile:Jeez. and he notices that his radios are acting weird when he's out there working he's listening to his radio but when his radio is near the hole he's picking up these strange things like he's hearing old time music which doesn't make sense and then he tunes a little bit and he catches a baseball game he listens to that for a minute and realizes it's a game from 30 years ago so something is affecting time around the hole so at at this point he calls into art bell at coast to coast i don't know if you remember art bell on that show yeah so he's telling art the story about how how weird this hole is uh he talks about how one of his neighbors his dog died and he threw the dog down the hole and the next day he sees his dog running through the like through the woods with his collar on but he won't come.

3:31:49AJ Gentile:He acts like he doesn't know him. The hole is doing weird stuff in the area. He talks to Art Bell a little bit about it. Then Art is trying to get in touch with him and can't. Then finally does. Mel Waters says, I wish I never called you. He said, I talked to you. He was out of town for that interview. He said, I got back into town. I couldn't get on my property. He said, There was heavy machinery there. There was military there. They wouldn't let me up. Some guy in plain clothes came down and said, you can't come in here. I said, why? This is my property. He said, there was a plane crash, so we have to investigate it.

3:32:30AJ Gentile:There's no evidence of the plane crash. There's no news. And Mel starts to get kind of upset. It's my property, my land. And then the guy in plain clothes says, I'm not saying we will, but we could find a drug factory or something on this land. I'm just saying that that could happen if you want to press this. And Mo Waters said, I'll go to the press. The guy's like, tell whoever you want. No one's going to believe you. And he gets run off his property. And you don't know if it's a hoax or not, but Art Bell talks to a news crew that goes to the property and they find evidence of tractor tracks in the mud and evidence that there was a military presence there along with machinery.

3:33:14AJ Gentile:And it's still all blocked off. Mel is eventually contacted by some intelligence and offered a deal. $2 million, you leave the country, you never come back. And you lease us the property, you sell us the property, you just never come back. So Mel goes overseas for a while. And this story on our belt is 10 years that he checks in. So Mel is overseas, he's in Australia. and it's something like his niece is graduating so he wants to come back. He's not supposed to come back at all but he decides to come back anyway and he's taking a bus. He lands wherever and he's taking a bus and there's some type of issue where it breaks out of the bus.

3:33:59AJ Gentile:There's a fight or something. The bus pulls over and everyone gets off but he's not allowed off. They're holding him back. They get everyone off. A couple of guys kind of grab him. He feels like a pinch and then he blacks out. And he wakes up 12 days later and he's in San Francisco in an alley and he doesn't know what's happened for the last 12 days. And he tastes blood in his mouth and he starts, he realizes his back teeth are missing. Like it's a crazy story. And he's telling all this to Art and Art helps him like find a place to stay. and he says, Art, I just got contacted from Native tribe and the people are called the Basque.

3:34:50AJ Gentile:I don't know if you know the Basque. It's a region between France and Spain. It's a little area people call the Basque. It's a small community but it's very unique. So a lot of Basques settled in Nevada in the 19th century. So this Native tribe is working with the bask and they call Mel and they want him to come out because they found another hole. Story gets weirder from here. So he goes out to like consult with them about the hole. And that hole is different. Mel's hole was about nine feet around, nine feet wide with a stone retaining wall. This hole is nine feet, but it's, it's got this metal collar and it's metal all the way down as far as the eye can see.

3:35:35AJ Gentile:And it won't vibrate at all. Like Mel drops a tool or something on it and it doesn't make a sound. It's very strange. So they don't bother trying to find the bottom of it. They just start putting things down the hole to see what happens. They start by putting ice cubes down just to see is it hot down there. So they put these ice cubes down the hole. They pull the ice cubes up and now the ice cubes are hot and they catch on fire. Like they get transformed in the hole. Story gets weirder. And they do that for a while and they actually take ice and some of them are using it to heat their homes. It's very weird.

3:36:15AJ Gentile:So then they say, someone volunteers to go down the hole. And they're like, no, no, you can't do that. But they're a shepherd colony. So they send a sheep down the hole in a crate and the sheep doesn't want to go. Animals don't like this thing. Birds fly around it. Animals don't want to go. So the sheep is freaking out and they send the cage down at like 1200 feet and it stops moving and they pull it up and the sheep is dead but it looks totally fine so it's since it's a shepherd culture they know how to butcher a sheep so they said we'll do an autopsy on it we'll butcher it so they butcher the sheep and the entire inside cavity of the sheep is gone.

3:36:55AJ Gentile:And inside is a giant tumor, just like just this disgusting, huge tumor. And they cut the tumor open. And inside is what Mel described as a fetal seal, like the fetus of a seal with human eyes. And it's looking at them. And they kind of just set this seal looking thing out for a while. They're looking at each other for a couple of hours. And then it eventually kind of inches its way back down into the hole. And once it does that, Mel, who had esophageal cancer, is now cancer-free. Everyone who was sick in the village is now healed. And the people there think this is some divine thing with this, they call it a magic seal.

3:37:53AJ Gentile:and they believe that it's communicating with them through this radio in some type of Morse code. They don't know if it's alien language or not. And he's telling Art that I've got pictures of this, I've got recordings of it, I've got all this stuff, photographs. And they finally set up an interview to go over all the evidence, but Mel never shows and Art is never able to get a hold of him again. And that's kind of where the story ends. And it starts out like a really interesting story but the theory, at least what I came up with was the story just got so, I mean I left out so many crazy details because how much time do we have that the story was getting so out of hand that I don't think he could keep up with the hoax anymore and he's just like, I can't.

3:38:44AJ Gentile:How do you top magic seal fetus that heal his cancer. So that was a story that I went into just because I liked, you know, I'm a huge Art Bell fan and that's a classic Art Bell story. That's, you know, that's one of the top ones. I wish it had a better ending. It's so anticlimactic, but it was such a fun journey. And it's just, there's so many opportunities for jokes in there and stuff. I have a t-shirt on the, it's one of the most popular shirts. It's, I went to Mel's Hall and all I got was this magic seal fetus. I wear it all the time. So was the hole there? So people have tried to find the hole and a couple of people said they found it.

3:39:28AJ Gentile:So I was doing some research. What was very strange was the area where the hole was supposed to be on Terra server, which is like before Google Maps, was all blacked out. It was all like redacted, which is very strange. but later it does show up on google maps so people tried to mel gave a lot of information of that you you could probably find it i found one place that was very compelling because mel said on his property he had one building that was kind of falling down from snow and um i'm looking at the pictures of the property and that building is there and then right across the way is a hole that's nine feet wide with a stone retaining wall.

3:40:15And I looked at that and I'm like, no way.

3:40:19AJ Gentile:For a second there, I thought this was Mel's Hole. But it was investigated. It was just a well. And the property belongs to somebody. But that's one of those stories where I debunked it. And then I found the pictures. I was like, no. Damn.

3:40:38Yeah. Stuff's crazy, man.

3:40:41AJ Gentile:I don't know. It's the kind of stuff that I talk about. And that's, you know, sometimes the stories just get weirder and weirder, and then they just fall down. That's Mel's Hole. It's just a crazy story with no strong ending. Damn. How do you find these? Well, that was easy to find because as an Art Bell fan, I can name, like, the top five episodes that are my favorites. You know, so Mel's Hole is one. Art Bell fans know that one. You know, they know that one in and out. That's why it's so popular. Art Bell fans don't know me, but they're like, oh, Mel's Hole, I want to hear about that. so I knew about that one already you know most of the other stuff it's either sent into me or it's my brother is into all the weird stuff you know he goes to the UFO conventions and hangs out with with you know Thomas Jane and Bearfoot and talks about UFOs and stuff he does all that crazy stuff so he'll say oh you gotta look into this you gotta look into that and I know if it sounds really stupid that it's gonna be a good one have you looked into Bigfoot yeah Yeah, I looked into it.

3:41:41AJ Gentile:I looked into it. You know, the famous part of Bigfoot is the Patterson film. It looks pretty good. It's the one that I think everyone's seen. You see the Bigfoot, he's kind of walking in the distance. And he looks back over his shoulder. That's the Patterson film. It's pretty compelling. But almost every piece of Bigfoot evidence, it's been hoaxed. Yeah. Sounds like the Loch Ness Monster. Loch Ness Monster also. I couldn't find any evidence of it. The famous photos, I debunked all of those. Yeah, didn't it? Was it a take-it in a bathtub or something? One of those was. It was a bathtub. One was just a boat.

3:42:20AJ Gentile:People hated that one. But Bigfoot's fun because there's native stories that go back a long time that talk about these giant creatures covered in hair, but they lived interdimensional. So it's like you're not going to go find them because they can just phase into a different dimension, which is convenient. but yeah yeah yeah i'm not a bigfoot guy those are called cryptids which are these creatures that are like outside of you know cryptozoology and i don't like cryptid stories i do them because people like them so i covered like all all weird creatures whether it's the jersey devil or bigfoot or chupacabra all these creatures i cover them because people like them but there's the evidence always sucks and my show is not like when i was starting the channel looking at these topics there were two types of channels there were the ones that were all in you know darren right just everything's true and it's like yeah but what about it's like no no no true and then the other stories where you're just people telling these weird stories but they're like snarky and sarcastic like it's condescending i don't want to name any youtube creators but you know who you are And that annoys me because that's just making the story about you, about how smart you are, and I'm stupid because I think this is a cool story.

3:43:36AJ Gentile:So there was just that. So I said, well, why don't I tell the story and make it fun, and then if anyone wants to stick around for what I found, I'll do that. And most people don't. You do a damn good job of it. As soon as I say, but is it true, I see the numbers go, everyone's like, nope, don't care. Don't care. oh man what um if i can ask you don't have to answer this but what do you what do you what do you line up for the future it's really just the conversation end of the of the show that's the next phase is to the studio is built it's called the basement it looks great it's like what you would imagine would be the basement underneath the y file studio it's kind of kind of old school and And Musty, it's super fun.

3:44:27AJ Gentile:It's ready to go. All it's just waiting for is me to have the guts to book a couple of people and get to work. Well, I hope you find it quick. I really do. I'm looking forward to that. I think that's going to be awesome. Awesome. Well, AJ, man, I'm just so thankful that we connected. I loved this interview. It's one of my favorite. Well, thank you for letting me ramble. Hey, hey, anytime. You want to come here and ramble? I'll just come here and shoot. Hey, we could do that too. I got a lot more guns than the Winchester lever action and the SIG. Thank you for that. Love to have you again. I would.

3:45:06And maybe at some point I can come check out the new studio. Please, anytime. I would love that. Well, thank you, man. Good work. Seriously. Keep up my type of work. Awesome.

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