#236 Dr. Diane Hennacy - From 1 in 10,000 to 1 in 30: Why Autism Is Rising Faster Than Ever

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34:45Do you think that there are aspects of autism that are a gift? Absolutely. What are those aspects? Well, one of the things is that people who are autistic have a different type of cognitive process. They tend to be really superior pattern recognizers, which is, you know, they're able to connect the dots. They're able to see the associations of things. and some of them are visual spatial thinkers. So they're able to process things. And once again, it's relational, but it's different from pattern recognition. So an example would be, so people who are visual spatial thinkers make great engineers.

35:43They can design something in their mind and manipulate it within their mind before they even build it. They can sort of debug all of the problems. Nikola Tesla was somebody who could do that. And so that type of thinking is extremely efficient at solving a lot of problems versus verbal thinking, which is what most neurotypical people are. They think in words. They think in language. And the problem with language is it's very linear. And it also can be very, very circular. So you just go looping around in the same thoughts. The other thing about language is this language can also be very deceptive.

36:33We can talk ourselves into or talk other people into believing something that really isn't true all through language. Whereas with these other processing styles, the right brain processing styles, it's more like pure perception. It's more of a that you're – and it's harder to be deceived because you can just – you're seeing how things plug into everything else as opposed to just following a sort of a linear logic train that somebody is leading you to wherever they want to lead you. Those are just some of the gifts. And then there are many other gifts. I mean, many of the individuals that I've worked with who are autistic, there's a purity about them.

37:32There's an honesty about them. And there is a deeply spiritual aspect to them. So there's many, many gifts, and many of the mothers of these children are delighted that they have an autistic child. They really get upset if somebody says anything that suggests that they feel sorry for them. I mean, it's interesting, too, because, I mean, you see so many ultra successful people and, you know, for example, in the tech world, you know, that are tech giants who appear to be very much so on that type of a spectrum. where, I mean, you look at something like, have you ever seen that movie, The Big Short?

38:23I think his name's Michael Berry. He's the one that called the 2008 crash of the market, the economy. And I mean, you look at, you know, in the movie, it looks like they portray him as somebody who would definitely fall on the spectrum. And I mean, you know, for somebody, it's just, and everybody thought he was crazy, you know? And then, bam, market tanked. And it's like, shit, the guy was right. But, I mean, you see it all over the tech world. And it just seems like, you know, some of the most fascinating innovators in the world all seem to kind of fall in that type of category. Yeah, yeah. It's kind of funny because when I was in college, there were the sort of the engineering types that were, you know, they were called, you know, nerds, you know.

39:13And they had the, you know, pocket calculators. And, you know, they were, you know, kind of people made fun of them. And then, well, those kinds of people are now the crypto billionaires. I know. And have all of these gorgeous women, you know, just lining up to be with them. So, you know, talk about Revenge of the Nerds. That's a good way to put it. But it's, I mean, it's an interesting, very interesting subject to kind of dissect. And so, I mean, you were talking about language, and I remember when I interviewed, I mean, language seems to be a very inefficient way to communicate. Absolutely. I mean, I think that's one of the reasons why more and more people are losing their tolerance for reading.

40:05They'd rather watch a podcast like this. I had a conversation with Joe McBonable about how does this happen? How does remote viewing, ESP abilities, how do they come about? I think he had mentioned that he thinks that we all have it, but we all can't tap into it. And so he went on, and this is just a theory. I don't think there is any science behind this, but he did bring up a good point. and he talked about at the beginning of humanity, he's like, there was no language. He's like, if you look at animals, they're able to communicate extremely efficiently without words. And he goes, you know, at the beginning, this is how we communicated, was body language.

40:58It was, you really wouldn't have to do much, maybe grunt, point at something, you know, but you could read each other and communicate a lot more efficiently. And then when we started traveling in groups and that it would be, you know, then we started to introduce language and he goes, language is actually a very inefficient way to communicate. There's a lot of opportunities for miscommunication or, or, you know, you insert sarcasm and all this other stuff. And, and, and I, I just found that to be very interesting. And, and, you know, He went on to go through tech, through social media. We're looking at a phone.

41:37We're looking at a TV. He's like, we're not accessing everything that our brains were meant to do. And it's been kind of a – if you look at a graph, it goes down. And so I'm just curious what your thoughts are on that. Oh, absolutely. That language, so one of the things that I think plays a huge role in why these autistic individuals that I do research with, why they're so telepathic is that they underwent a regression. most of them underwent a regression between the ages of one and two and a half years old, right when they were acquiring language.

42:32And that's also the time period when we undergo developmentally individuation separation. In other words, people talk about the terrible twos, the terrible threes, and part of that is because you have the toddler is trying to assert their independence from the parent, and they say no to everything, even if it's something they want, right? And so it's because they're just wanting, they're testing out their ability to have free will. And so what happens, though, with these autistic individuals is that they regress during that time period when they're acquiring language and they're becoming more autonomous from the parent.

43:23And so they become more and more dependent upon the parent for a lot of basic needs. And so they never go through the separation that those of us who are neurotypical go through. And so they stay in kind of more of a shared consciousness with the family members. And I believe that we're all born in that shared consciousness and that that's part of how we acquire language in the first place. I mean, if you think about how magical it is that a young child can pick up language and know what it is that people are talking about. I mean, it's really quite remarkable. I mean, when you meet some of these children that, you know, there are some children that at the age of two, they can speak in full paragraphs.

44:27and it's like how do you take these sounds that you hear and the sounds from everybody sound slightly different because we all have different voices. People have different accents. How do we take that and convert it into actual concepts? So I think what happens is that we all have that shared consciousness so that we pair those sounds and the patterns within them, which is the information, we pair that with whatever it is that the person who's speaking is thinking. And then as we develop language, then the telepathy goes underground. And it's really more of our default kind of proto-language, if you will.

45:20One of the things that's interesting is that if you look at brain development, when we're born, there's a pathway for language that's intact, that it's what the pathway that's called the ventral pathway. That's involved in the understanding of language. And it's not until we're seven years old that we've completed the development of the dorsal language pathway, which is the pathway that enables the expression of language. And that's the pathway that gets disrupted in these children who regress during those first few years of life. and that pathway is connecting the front of the brain, an area called Broca's area, which is the expression of language.

46:10And the expression of language is not just speech. It's also the ability to write or type. It's also the area of the brain that's involved in the use of tools. And so by having that not get hooked up to the part of the brain that's involved in the understanding of language, it makes it hard for people to express what they already know in these individuals. Now, what's interesting is that, and this is all in the left hemisphere. That's basically the languages for most people, right-handed people especially, it's encoded in the left hemisphere. What's interesting is that one of the reasons why I thought that autistic individuals might be the ones most likely to show us that ESP is real is that I realized that their brain activity when they're in their waking state is more similar to our functionality when we're in dreaming sleep.

47:18And as I mentioned earlier, oftentimes people can have psychic dreams who aren't otherwise psychic. And if you look at the, you know, what's going on, the activity in the brain during dreaming sleep, what you'll see is that the right hemisphere is dominant and the left hemisphere is quiescent. And the frontal lobes are quiet. And in children, our frontal lobes aren't as fully hooked up to the rest of the brain, okay, which is why, you know, like, you know, we're all kind of ADD when we're little because our frontal lobes aren't hooked up. So we don't have impulse control or we can't think of the consequences.

47:58And in these autistic individuals, they have all of these right hemisphere skills. As I mentioned, their cognitive processes are more right hemisphere based. And a lot of savant skills are right hemisphere. And their deficits are left hemisphere language. And so they have this kind of reversal of brain functioning when they're awake from what we have when we're awake, but that we all experience when we're in our dreaming sleep. And so I made this hypothesis over 20 years ago that autistic individuals might be the ones who'd be the most likely to express ESP. And I knew that a lot of savant abilities were very similar to ESP.

48:43Well, what's happened a couple of years ago is that the head of neurology at the University of Toronto though, Morris Friedman did an experiment in which he inhibited the left frontal lobe of individuals who were just neurotypical individuals. And he found that that enhanced their abilities for telepathy and for psychokinesis, which is the ability of the mind to affect the material world. Like spoon bending. Yeah, like spoon bending. Yeah. Wow. So that's the reason why I think that these non-speaking autistic individuals, I mean, their brain activity is consistent with what that study shows. Have you seen psychokinesis in real time?

49:44I've seen people able to affect random number generators, which is a form of psychokinesis.

49:57And I, but I haven't in real time, I haven't been to a spoon bending party, but I know a lot of people who have. I know a lot of people who've bent spoons. What do you mean by, sorry, what did you call it? Basically, randomized numbers? Oh, a random number generator? How do they affect that? Well, so a lot of random number generators, how they operate is that it's basically based on radioactive decay, which is a random process. And we know that, you know, there's just a certain, you know, we have a lot of data on what that looks like. Okay. And it's just random. There's no predicting any of it.

50:44And so if you have a random number generator, it's just measuring that radioactive decay. But then you say to somebody, okay, I want you to now influence that so it's less random. And then you just measure the output and you see that it has shifted towards something that's more coherent. There were experiments that were done by Roger Nelson and others at Princeton in which they had random number generators all over the world. And what they looked at is what effect does collective consciousness have on those random number generators? If everybody is focusing on the same thing, if everybody is simultaneously having the same thought, does that create more of a coherence in that which is just a natural random process?

51:49And what they found was, yes, indeed it does. was. And how they did the experiment was that they had all of this data, these random number generators just putting their output out, and then they looked at time periods when a high percentage of people were focused on the same thing. So what would those things be the O.J. Simpson trial. So many people were tuning in to the O.J. Simpson trial that there was increased coherency in the random number generators. Wow. They did this for many, many big events like that. Wow. How do you describe collective consciousness? How do I describe that? Yeah. What I would say is that so we, so all of us are basically, I would say we're differentiated consciousness in terms of, you know, we're each our own individual consciousness.

52:53But we're still connected or capable of being connected to a unified consciousness. You know, there are people who have these mystical experiences that say that they realize everything is all one, you know, that it's all unity, that we're not separate. Okay. So that consciousness where it's like you go up to whatever you want to call it, source, whatever you want to label that, it's all of our higher consciousness all collectively together. I've had that experience. Of unity consciousness? Yes, all is one. It was a psychedelic experience, 5-MeO DMT, and it was a very profound feeling. Yeah, so you were going from the more differentiated individual consciousness to the collective.

54:04And we all are capable of that. It's just that some people need to have a chemical push. Why do you... What happens in the brain when that happens on psychedelics? What happens in the brain?

54:27Well, I don't know exactly what, when you say what happens in the brain, I don't know exactly what's happening. I mean, it's something I want to study.

54:43I think of it as, for example, think of it as being like a...

54:56Are you familiar with the concept of the biofield? No, I'm not. Okay. So all living systems have a field around them. It's an electromagnetic field, okay? And within that is plasma. And it has a toroidal shape. And the torus is, it's sort of like a donut, okay? And it's a self-reflecting system. Think of the, if you've ever looked at an electromagnetic field, you know, or looked at the field around the earth, okay, it's toroidal. And it goes, loops around like this, okay. And we spend most of our time in our individuated consciousness focusing on just the information that's coming to us from our sensory system, that's informed by our sight, our hearing, you know, et cetera, that is really our local, you know, here and now senses.

56:18But what happens is, so that's only some of the information that's within that toroidal field. I believe that that field contains information that is relevant to us here, but on the outside here, it's getting information from elsewhere, if that makes sense. It's like a, think of it as being, there's our inner process, okay? There's what you experience internally that feels more private, okay? And when we go, and that's local consciousness, but when we access non-local consciousness, like what the remote viewers are doing. It's like our conscious awareness shifts from paying attention to just the readout from what our senses, our local senses are telling us, to shifting to the, I think of it as the outside of that torus.

57:27It shifts to that which is not informed by our senses anymore, but is actually informed by the greater field. Okay. So I don't think of consciousness as being confined to the brain. In fact, I think of consciousness as being something that the brain navigates. Okay. Like we all have like smartphones nowadays. And so we use our smartphone to connect with other people and to surf the Internet. and the information isn't contained within the smartphone. The information is contained within the field.

58:14And so I think that our brains and consciousness work similarly, that our consciousness is actually a field. And there are some psychics who actually see these fields around us. Like a cloud, like a collective cloud. They see it like, they see, well, they also will see like your field. Okay, there are people who see auras. These autistic individuals I work with, they see auras. So they see your consciousness field outside of you.

58:50And as I said, the brain is really what navigates that. And that consciousness field can expand and be connected with the greater consciousness. Very interesting. Very interesting. interesting what i mean what got you so interested in telepathy and esp well what was the what was the thing that that kind of brought you down that road yeah because i started out as a neuroscientist and very much in the materialist reductionist model and things changed for me when i was on faculty at Harvard. And I was called to do an evaluation of this woman who wanted to sign out of the hospital against medical advice.

59:44And that was my role there at the hospital, was to do psychiatric consults on the medical and surgical floors. And I went in to see this woman, and the staff had already determined that she was mentally ill, because she said she was seeing ghosts and that she was psychic and wanted to leave. And in my training, that's what I was taught is a sign of somebody being psychotic. And when I went in to see her, one of the first things she said to me is, oh, I'm seeing all these ghosts, and it's freaking me out, and I really want to leave. And I said, well, yeah, I imagine if there's going to be ghosts anywhere, they'd be in a hospital.

1:00:26A lot of people die here. and she goes, yeah, she goes, and she goes, and I'm also psychic and I know my tests are going to come back normal. And back then, we did blood work in order to find out if somebody had had a heart attack and it took a day or two to get the results back. And so we didn't have those results back yet. And she says, so I want to leave. And I said, well, you know, I really love to talk to you a little bit more about this. And I really wanted to just gain her cooperation to stay rather than just sign the paperwork and commit her to stay. And she looked at me and she said, I'm getting a really good reading about you right now.

1:01:11Do you mind if I tell you what I see? And I said, yeah, sure. You know, go ahead. You know, I just thought it was really interesting that she would say that. And I think, you know, it's good. I love to build rapport with people. And I said, sure, you know, go ahead. And she goes, wow. She says, I'm seeing your aura and you've got this white light around you, like Jesus. And I'm going, yeah, right. You know, and she says, and I see that you have a husband who's a chemist and he's applying for a job right now in two different cities. And I was like, my husband was an MD, PhD biochemist, and he was applying for a postdoctorate in two different cities right then.

1:01:55And I was like, oh, really? That got your attention, huh? That got my attention. And then she said, I said, well, what cities are you talking about? She says, Well, in his heart of hearts, he wants to go to one of them, but you're actually going to end up at the other one. And now she had my curiosity because he and I had met when we were medical students together at Johns Hopkins. And he was 13th generation Baltimorean. I knew that that's where he really wanted to go back there. And the other place he was applying was UCSD. And I said, well, what city are we going to end up in? She said, well, name some cities.

1:02:38So I named about 10 cities. And she goes, San Diego, that's where you'll be. And she said, and you'll have a daughter while you're there. And she just started telling me all of these things about my current situation and my future that there was no way she could know. And I was able to talk her into staying because she really liked me. And she said, well, if you come back tomorrow, I'll stay. And so she stayed. Her test came back normal and she left. And we went on to move to San Diego and I went on to have a daughter. And it was one of those things that just, it was one of those things where it was so life-changing because I went into this field wanting to understand the brain and consciousness.

1:03:39That's why, I mean, originally when I went to medical school, I was going to become a neurosurgeon because they were the ones who were mapping the brain during surgery by doing recordings from the brain and stimulating parts of the brain during an operation because they wanted to make sure that they didn't remove areas that somebody needed for functioning. So if you're doing neurosurgery, you really want to know for this individual, and everybody's brain is slightly different. You want to know for them what their functionality is. And so I thought, oh, this would be a good way to map out the brain and do good in the world.

1:04:16So my goal was to understand the brain and consciousness and how does it all work. And I thought, if what she did is real, and I knew it was real because I experienced it firsthand, then any model for how the brain and consciousness work is going to be incorrect if it can't account for this. And so I started doing research to try to find, you know, has anybody else reported these phenomena? And in 1995, when some of the remote viewing work started to get declassified, that really, you know, piqued my interest again. And I said, oh, look at this. Military intelligence funded this kind of research for a long time.

1:05:14Yeah. And they had some really fascinating results. And so it was after that that I decided that I was going to put my own energy into trying to figure it out. That's interesting. You know, that happened to my wife before, and she recorded it. This is before we ever met. We didn't even know each other. And several years later, what did we do? We did something and we got connected to, I don't know, somebody that was like, you should try this. And I tried it and recorded it. And I was like, I'm not really buying into this. I mean, he was like, oh, you've seen explosions. And I'm like, I'm a Navy SEAL.

1:06:05Of course I've seen explosions. try again and i mean i wasn't open to it you know at all and and i am a christian so i'm gonna get a bunch of shit about this in the comments but whatever it is what it is and so me and my wife started talking about it and she was talking about um she was talking about an event she went to in new york who's the big medium there the um do you know who i'm talking john edwards no it was a woman i think oh the long island medium yes she was taught we we just had like a dinner conversation about this and she started telling me about the long island medium and they went to some type of a show there and um and there was this woman there they were like oh i'm getting these messages and all these people were raising their hand like no not you no it's not you it's not you and she went on to say some other stuff and she's like no that's not it either and she goes this she goes

1:07:14somebody in here i can't remember exactly how it went but basically it was like this person misses so-and-so and he wants you to know everything's okay and he knows that you go into the closet and spray your dad's old cologne so that you can remember him and the the woman that was that went there with my wife like broke down bawling like was like i can't i can't believe that this happened and then and then she had uh spoken to a psychic long time ago years before we met and the woman that gave her the reading gave her my initials says you're gonna marry somebody with the initials you know my initials and then you're gonna move to this place which we wound up moving to and she said I don't even she didn't even remember it actually she was like I we were talking about having um the fact that she had done that that she had talked to a psychic and I was like this is crazy or what i don't believe in any of that stuff and then she's like actually i think i recorded it so we dug through her computer and pulled it up and sure as shit she was like i don't even i didn't even remember this but she's in there and called out my initials said we're gonna move you know to tennessee and said some other stuff that's actually happening right now uh uh at we're in process right i don't want to go into it because it's private but but she had called like all these things and i'm sitting there like i'm like you didn't even you didn't remember this and she's like no she's she's like i didn't remember it but here it is and and that really kind of like opened my mind to it and i was like oh shit well maybe there is something to this and then you know then the rest is history that's when i started bringing in uh people remote viewers and psychics and stuff to hear their stories and try to understand how it works.

1:09:18Still have no idea how it works. But so that led you into, I mean, did you ever do it again before we move on? Ever do what again? Have you ever had another reading? Oh, well, so when I met Gary Schwartz from the University of Arizona at the time, and this was back in 2004, 2005, he was doing research on mediums. And he said to me, have you ever had a reading by a medium? And I said, no. And he said, well, I'm testing these mediums and I want to certify them. And so I need somebody independently to just look at them. Would you be interested in a free reading? And I said, oh, okay, sure. And so this woman called.

1:10:17Well, we had a set-up phone call, and she called me and she said, this guy named George is so excited to talk to you. And I said, George? And she said, yeah, he's your grandfather, isn't he? And I'm like, no, I don't have a grandfather named George. And then she said, oh, well, he's pretty insistent that he's here to talk with you. And I said, no, I thought about it for a second. I thought, well, wait a minute. My daughter's father's father was named George, and he had passed over. And I said, could it be my daughter's grandfather? And she said, yeah, that's who it is. He wants to tell you a few things.

1:11:04Oh, well, that's interesting. And then the next person that she said showed up was my grandmother, Minnie. and the way she described her was just totally consistent with my grandmother. She described her as somebody that would follow you around with like a Windex bottle and wipe up, you know, any like little fingerprints and whatnot. That was exactly my grandmother. She was very, very, very fastidiously clean. And so I thought, well, you know, that's interesting. And then one of these autistic individuals that I do research with recently just spontaneously told me, you know, he got a reading on me.

1:11:46And I was like, oh, you know, who's here? And he says, well, it's your half aunt. And my father had a half sister. And I thought, well, that's interesting. Because that's a very specific thing to say. And most of us don't have half aunts. And then the other person that she said showed up to say something to me was my, she said, your grandfather by marriage. And his name is Harold. And my step-grandfather's name was Harold. Wow. Wow. So I really think that what's happening now is that people are having so many, whether it's television shows like Long Island Medium or, you know, what these autistic individuals are telling the world.

1:12:44I think what's happening is that people are being shown that we are more eternal than we realize we are. So many people are terrified of death because they think that that's it. But they think that's the end, that they bought into this very atheistic, materialistic model that tells us that the only thing that's real is that which we experience with our five senses, and that when we die, we're dying, and that's it.

1:13:38and i think that we're living in a we're living in a world now where we see the consequences on a daily basis of such a toxic materialist model it's it's taken us away from a spiritual life. And so I know that a lot of people are raised in Christianity and think that some of these things are, you know, work for the devil or evil or whatever. But what I feel is that we were warned against in the Bible, we were warned against putting our faith into people who are practicing occult sciences for good reason, okay? Because those kind of people can have way too much influence over us. And so then, you know, you have to trust that they have good intentions.

1:14:39But it's important we don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. And what I mean by that is that the people who are now showing us these things now, I think that they're showing them to us not because they're evil or demon possessed, but because we need to be reminded that we are more than just this flesh. We need to get back into a more spiritual way of being. And these children that I work with, they say that they're in communication with God and Jesus all the time. So, I mean, they would very much say that they're Christians. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. You know, what do you think happens when we die?

1:15:36What do I think happens? I think that we join that unity consciousness until it's time for us to differentiate again, or maybe we get to stay up there. interesting i interviewed this guy john burke have you heard of john burke he he went around and did i think he interviewed over 1500 people with near-death experiences and found the commonalities and this is all christianity based and he found that you know These subjects were from all over the world, all different religions, had no contact with each other. And he would just go and document every single one of them and then found all the commonalities that had to do with Christianity.

1:16:27And there was an overwhelming amount of them that had some type of an experience with Jesus or God or visualization of heaven or, you know, the white light. And some of them having communication, some of them didn't. They even had hellish near-death experiences where the subject went to hell and was saved. And so, I mean, have you dove into near-death experiences? Does that... Oh, absolutely. I'm fascinated by near-death experiences. In fact, I've had a couple myself. You've had some? Yeah. I mean, not the full-blown experience. What I experienced is that when I was about 13 years old, I was in a canoeing incident where my brother, I never was taught how to swim.

1:17:23And my brother and his friend thought it would be funny to tip over the canoe when we were in the river. And I couldn't make it to shore, and I just started sinking. And I remember having a life review. And I also remember having just this sense of peacefulness, which, I mean, you would think that somebody who's drowning would be terrified, But there was just this sense of peace and just acceptance. I'll see my life before my eyes, and then the next thing I know, I was rescued. And then when I was applying to medical school, I was walking across the street. I left the chemistry building, and I was walking across the street on a rainy day with all of these applications in my hand for medical school.

1:18:26And I was hit by somebody.

1:18:33And the next thing I remember is coming to several hours later after having been unconscious on a neurosurgery floor. and when I came to initially I thought that I was having a dream that I was a patient in a neurosurgery suite because I was applying to medical school to become a neurosurgeon so I thought oh isn't this an interesting dream and the doctors are like you're not dreaming you know You were in an accident. And so they kept me in the hospital for observation. I mean, they're coming in and shining the light in my eyes every hour and taking my vital signs. And they're monitoring me very, very carefully because they were very concerned about me.

1:19:23And I'm there thinking, something is very different. I don't know what to make of this feeling. I was just like, what is this feeling? How am I different? I'm like, oh my God, it's that I believe in God. See, I was raised an atheist. My father was a scientist. I didn't even know about religion. I'll back up a little bit and then I'll continue my story. I mean, my father, my earliest memories were at Hanford. My father was one of the top scientists in studying plutonium and showing that it was harmful to wildlife and helped to end the nuclear testing that was being done in the West out in the open.

1:20:19And then it was after that he went to the University of Washington in Seattle, does postdoc in cardiovascular physiology, and then eventually became the head of the artificial heart program at Battelle Memorial Institute. two. And he was an atheist and wouldn't let our mother, you know, my mother was spiritual, but he wouldn't let her take us to church. So I was not raised with spirituality at all. And so fast forward to when I'm applying to medical school, but I was always a good person. I mean, I worked for, you know, charities, you know, I was a Girl Scout. I, you know, I always wanted to, you know, help humanity, you know, in whatever way I could.

1:21:14And so I come to in this, you know, neurosurgical floor, and I'm like, I feel different. I feel like it's like I believe in God. And I'm like, and then I'm like, what? You know, and I'm like trying to think about the last memory I had before ending up in the hospital. And I remember, you know, and I remember just stepping off the curb. Okay. And then I'm taking my memory back. And then I remembered the conversation I had the night before. And the night before, I was in this math class. I was taking an upper division math class just because I love math. And it was fun to do. And this woman sitting next to me says, where are you applying to graduate school in math?

1:21:58And I said, I'm not applying to graduate school in math. She said, you're not? I said, no. And she said, how can you give away God's gift? You're so gifted at math. And I said, you believe in God? You've gotten this far in math and you believe in God? And she said, you've gotten this far in math and you don't believe in God? And we had this fascinating conversation. And then I said to her, well, I wish I believed in God. And so I'm playing this back in my mind, and then I had to realize, I'm like, oh, my God. Last night I said I wish I believed in God, and now I believe in God. Wow. But I had no framework for understanding that.

1:22:48I didn't have a clue. And so I went on to, I got into medical school, went on, went through all my training. But just like that patient at Harvard that I mentioned that it was like, oh, I've got to understand, you know, ESP. There was also, because of that experience that I had where I believed in God, I became a spiritual seeker. And I studied, I read the entire Bible. I studied Eastern spiritual traditions. I was basically looking for universal truths because I wanted to have a framework to understand what is even meant by God. And that belief in God never went away. In fact, it's just gotten—it was more of a knowing rather than a belief, but with no memory of those several hours that I was unconscious.

1:23:51So I have no idea, you know, where I went, what I experienced. And I've had to fill in the blanks, fill in, you know, fill things in on my own. And so it makes me wonder what happened. Maybe I had the full-blown experience. And so I spoke with Phyllis Atwater, who is Skip Atwater's daughter, and she's an expert on near-death experiences. In fact, she's studied thousands of cases. She's had, I think, three or so of her own. And I'm actually going to be a keynote speaker at the Association for Near-Death Studies conference in Chicago. in a week. Oh, interesting. Yeah, yeah. And so anyway, so Phyllis Atwater told me when she heard my story about being knocked unconscious, she said, oh, that can bring about the same results as a near-death experience.

1:24:59And the reason why I was having this conversation with her was that I attended one of her talks, and she put a list up on, she put a slide up with a list of all of the sequelae or the aftermath of having had a near-death experience. And she listed, I don't know, it was like 20 things. And like 16 out of the 20 applied to me. And they had all started after I had this head injury. And then when she said to me, oh, yeah, you're going to have a lot of the same consequences as a result, I thought, okay, now I'm really interested. I'll bet. I'll bet. Wow, thank you for sharing that. Let's take a quick break.

1:25:52Yeah. And when we come back, I want to get into everything that you found during your research.

1:26:11All right, Diane, we're back from the break, and we were getting ready to get into some of the research that you've done with telepathy, ESP, all this stuff. And so how did you start that? Well, initially, I was really interested in savant syndrome, which is something that's been described in the literature going back well over 200 years. This is where you have an individual who knows things that they've never been exposed to. For example, there was this boy back in 1804 who was five or six years old at the time, and he was just in the field with his father, hadn't been to school yet. And he started saying these mathematical equations and solving them.

1:27:02And he hadn't been taught math. And he was accurate in all of his solutions to these mathematical problems. And so the father took him literally on a tour back then, and he was written about. And there have been other cases like that. So, for example, Oliver Sacks, who was a neurologist, he was the person who was – one of his books was the movie Awakenings, which was about severe Parkinson's disease where people were frozen until the development of L-Dopa, which then unfroze them. And they went from being like statues to being capable of moving. Well, he also wrote a book, The Man Who Mistook His Wife for a Hat, and came out in 1986.

1:27:53And I got to meet him shortly after he wrote that book. And in it, he describes these autistic young men who were identical twins, who were institutionalized, who could spit out prime numbers. And they couldn't do simple arithmetic, but they could give you a six-digit prime number, and then the other one would give you the subsequent prime number, and they'd go back and forth in this game. And Oliver Sacks tested them with prime number tables and was able to determine that they were accurate in their prime number generating skills to 12 digits. And then he had them do it to 20 digits, but the computers at the time couldn't.

1:28:4620 digits? 20 digits, even though the computers in the 60s couldn't do past 12. And they said that the numbers just appeared to them. They weren't calculating it. They weren't deriving it. And there aren't really that many good algorithms for determining prime numbers in the first place. I mean, you have to literally go through and do all of the division. You have to see, you know, is there anything that this number can be divided by besides itself in one? That's the definition of a prime. And so, be able to just spontaneously. 20 digits? 20 digits, yeah. And they could do calendar calculation, which is another savant skill where they could, if you told them any date going back in time, thousands of years or into the future thousands of years, they could tell you what day of the week it would be.

1:29:40Wow. And the answers just came to them. And so when I first heard about savant syndrome, and I thought, well, this is something I really want to study, but it was really, really rare. and it's found most commonly in people who are autistic. And in fact, they estimate that about 10 % of people who are autistic have some savant skill. For some of them, they have the musical ability where they can just sit down and play instruments without having to have the same kind of training as someone else or they can acquire languages very easily. You know, there's a famous savant, Daniel Tamet, who he can speak 11 languages.

1:30:27He learned Icelandic in one week. In one week? In one week. Full fluent. And he can recite pi, which is a non-repeating number. Number, yeah. He can recite it to 22 ,500 digits. Are you serious? Yes. And he says that it's not that he memorized it, but that he just sees it like a ticker tape parade in front of him. And each number has a different color and shape associated with it. So it's a condition called synesthesia, which almost all, if not all, of the autistics I work with have this synesthesia where they'll put a color around a number or a letter. And there's something about synesthesia that makes for superior memory.

1:31:28What do you mean they'll put a color around, like, in the image in their head will be highlighted with a particular color? Yeah. So there's two types of, two general types of synesthesia. And in one type, it's what's called the projecting type, okay, where you actually out here in your physical space, you actually see it. And you can't not see it, okay? In other words, it's a constant accompaniment of that symbol. Okay, so they just, whenever they see a letter, and it could be in any font, whatever, you know, it's totally independent of that. It will always be that color. For some, it's numbers, you know.

1:32:20But for some people, it's that they'll associate, say, you know, like a sound, like a note with a color. It can be any of the senses. And there are other, so sometimes it's projected out here and you experience it as existing out here. And at other times you experience it internally. And that's what's called associative synesthesia. So it happens both ways. but it but it's but it's something it's outside like it's projected into their they see it like if i'm looking at you i see yeah yeah they'll literally it's like it's superimposed upon you know in their vision yeah yeah absolutely versus the vision that we have more internally where where it's more of an imagined it's not their imagination it's not their imagination no no experience it out here.

1:33:18Wow. Have you seen this in your studies? Well, I've worked with people who have synesthesia. I myself don't have that form of synesthesia, but it's a fascinating phenomenon.

1:33:37And so I was interested in autistic savants, and I wanted to understand, you know, what does this tell us about information? You know, what does this tell us about memory? And so I was invited, after I wrote the ESP enigma, I was invited to go to India to evaluate several autistic savants over there. And the person who invited me told me that they also had ESP. And so while I was over there, I was testing this one boy for science knowledge. He hadn't been to school. He was five years old. He hadn't been to school. He was a non-speaker. And yet his mother said he knows all of this information about science and wants to be a scientist.

1:34:33And so I was asking him these questions and he was giving me answers that were very, accurate. And I was asking him math that he hadn't studied. And he was typing onto a keyboard the answers to these things. And I was thinking, okay, well, he's a mathematical savant. But then what happened was is right before I was leaving, the person who invited me over said, oh, by the way, he's also telepathic. All of them are. And he said, then they're telepathic with one another. I'm like, what? You're just telling me this now. It wasn't at a time that I could test it. And so when I got back to the United States, I was interviewed on various podcasts and whatnot.

1:35:21And I mentioned that I wanted to study telepathy. And within months, I was contacted by a family who had a daughter that they said was telepathic. And they asked me if I would be interested in evaluating her. And the story behind how they discovered that she had this ability to read minds was that she was basically being assisted in the home with her homework by these therapists that would come in and do homework with her. And she was non-speaking, but she was able to type independently into a talker. You know, it's like an iPad that has an electronic voice. And they discovered that she was really, really good at math.

1:36:14And the father knew about savant syndrome. He thought, oh, she's a mathematical savant. And so the therapist was working with her doing these complex mathematical problems, you know, asking, you know, what's the cube root of, you know, like a six-digit number and things like that. And she would just do it in her head. And then one day, the calculator that the therapist was using, that was of course always out of Haley's site, that calculator died on her. And so she switched to a different calculator, and the answer was given to her in logarithmic notation. And Haley gave the answer in logarithmic notation.

1:37:00What is algorithmic notation? Logarithmic notation? Best way to think about it is that it's a... We tend to think of numbers as like a six-digit number, and that's in base 10. Well, think about if you change it to a different base, like a base two, the number's going to look different. That makes sense to you? It has to do with a different way that you just write down the number. It's not clicking. It's not clicking for me. Okay. Let's see if I can explain. Okay. I'm not a savant. I know. I know. And think of it this way. Okay. If you have a number like 1 ,322, okay, so that's 1 ,000, okay, plus 300, plus 20, plus 2, okay?

1:38:13Well, if you were to switch that to a different base, then that number would look very, very different, okay? because if it's like to base 2, and I don't want to take the time to do the calculation in my mind right now, but if you put it in base 2, then the number is going to be much larger because each one of those numbers represents a different unit. Instead of that 2 being two 2s, do you understand what I'm saying? I think so. Are you saying that the number would look like 1 ,000 plus 300 plus 20 plus 2? Is that what you're saying? No, what I'm saying is that if you change, you're changing each one of the units that each one of those numbers counts for.

1:39:11Okay. So if you have 1 ,000, okay, that's 10 cubed. Okay. Right? Okay. And so it's more putting it in that kind of notation. Okay. 10 cubed plus then it's - 10 to the power, this to the power, this to the power, this to the power. That's right. And so that's what's meant by exponential notation. It just has to do with how it's notated. Okay. And so it's the same number, but it looks very different. Very complicated way to write 1 ,322. Yeah, yeah. It makes it much more complicated. Right. Right. Right. And so if she was just doing the calculation in her head, why would she switch it to exponential, which is even more complicated?

1:40:13That's like adding another layer onto it. Why would she switch it to doing that when, you know, and so the therapist is like, wait a minute. And, you know, why did you give it to me in exponential notation? She's like, are you reading my mind? And then Haley goes, yeah, I am. She said, I see the numerators and denominators in your head. And she goes, really? And she says, well, who's my landlord? And she types, Helmet, and that was the name of her landlord. And she says, what am I thinking right now? And she was thinking of the dinosaur Barney. And she'd say, Barney? And she goes, oh, my God. And she's like, you are reading my mind.

1:40:52And she didn't know what to do with this. She was afraid to tell the parents. She thought they seemed crazy. But she eventually did tell them. And they went and they checked it out for themselves. And they're like, oh my gosh. And then a couple of months later, another therapist who was working with Haley in the house discovered that Haley would make the same kind of spelling mistakes that she would make. You know how some of us, we just always flip certain letters. We know it's supposed to be I before E except after C, but we still flip it anyway. Well, Haley was making those kinds of experiments that were those kinds of errors, just like the therapist would make those kinds of errors.

1:41:45And she would recognize the error when she saw it, but I mean, the initial, she's like, well, wait a minute, those are the kinds of errors I make in spelling. And she's like, hey, are you reading my mind? And Haley goes, yes, I am. And then she said, well, then how do you say I love you in German, which this therapist had, she was fluent in German. And then Haley typed it out, German for I love you. And she's like, oh my gosh. And so once again, she was sort of afraid to tell the parents, but then she was relieved when she told them and they said, oh, you know, we already knew that. And so this gave me the opportunity to then go and test her under highly controlled conditions with two separate individuals.

1:42:27And she was 97, 98 % accurate. And I tested her with randomized numbers, randomized words, randomized pictures, and had a barrier, a visual barrier between her and the therapist. and filmed it all with cameras all around the room, five cameras covering all sides and up above. Just to make sure that if anybody wanted to examine the footage, they could see whether or not there was any kind of cues or whatever. had them microphoned so that if there was any even slightest little sounds, it'd all get picked up.

1:43:25And presented it at scientific conferences and people were blown away by it, but people didn't quite know what to do with it. This was over 12 years ago that I did those experiments. And since then, I've done experiments on, oh, I don't know, probably at least 20 different autistic individuals. But many of those were virtually, but half of them were in person. What are some of the other experiments you've done? Are they all the same experiment with different people? Well, because this claim of telepathy or mind reading is so extraordinary, I mean, people want to see that, oh, you know, is this something that you can reproduce?

1:44:14They want to see it done with other individuals under different conditions. And so I've continued to do research with other individuals. I've been contacted by probably at least 100 individuals all around the world with the conviction that their child is reading their mind and wanting to know what to do about it. Because each one of these people, they were shocked by it. That's why they reach out to me. It's not that they were trying to cultivate this in their child or that it was something that was part of their new aid belief system or anything like that. It was that they just stumbled onto it just like these two therapists stumbled onto it.

1:45:02And then they're shocked and they're like, okay, what do I do with this information? And then, of course, they do an internet search and my name would pop up. And they're like, oh, there's somebody with these kind of credentials who's actually studying this. And then they'd contact me, and I was supporting this research out of my own private practice because this is such a controversial area that it's not easy to get funding for. And I just thought it was easier for me to just pay for my own expenses to go and visit these people and test out these cases. So, I mean, what's exciting now is that I have other scientists who've been reviewing my video footage of these experiments.

1:45:47And they're convinced that this really is indeed a mind reading. Wow. I mean, that is fascinating and scary at the same time. I've had my mind read before. It totally freaked me out. I mean, it's your most private whatever. I mean, what goes on inside your head is the most private thing that you could possibly fathom. Yeah. Yeah. Now, let me just say. It's alarming. Let me just say that the autistic individuals don't want to do mind reading with complete strangers. Is it something that they have to put effort into? They have to concentrate on it? Or is it like the numbers that we were talking about earlier that are projected over the top of their vision?

1:46:53where it's, I mean, is it just, do they automatically pick up on it or do they have to concentrate, put effort into, all right, we're going to do this. I'm going to read your mind. Well, it's possible that there are some who might just not have any control over it and it might just be something that they just experience. I really don't know. I can't rule that out as a possibility. But I do know that the individuals I work with, they are protective of themselves as much as anything else. In other words, they don't want to merge their consciousness with just anybody. And so they have to like you and trust you to want to do that.

1:47:40Okay. It's like a boundary issue. Just like you might feel violated to have somebody enter your psychological space and read your thoughts, well, not everybody wants to enter your thoughts. That's good to know. You know, and so there's this sense of, you know, personal space that, you know, that we have. And they want to, when they love somebody, they want to merge with them. I mean, there's this tendency when you love somebody that you want to merge with them. And, you know, there's all those, you know, love songs and not about how, you know, two hearts beat is one and whatnot. You know, you're really wanting to be in sync with someone.

1:48:34And so these autistic individuals have the mind reading abilities show up in the context of somebody that they really feel bonded with and somebody that they spend a lot of time with. But what's interesting, though, is that one of my research colleagues, who was a total skeptic about all of this, and he was raised Catholic and he also was a devout Catholic, and he also was like, oh, you know, my family better not think that I'm doing this because this is like forbidden territory. He was curious and wanted to witness one of my experiments. And he, after seeing it, he was like, oh, my God, this is real.

1:49:22He's like, what do I do? This really is real. And it was sort of freaking him out. And he said to this girl, Lidu is her name, he said to her, can you read my mind? And she said, mm-hmm. And he said, okay. He said, what am I thinking? And he typed a word, put it into his phone, showed it to the camera, and then shut his phone off. And then she typed the word, and then he totally was on time. But it was one of those things that she really liked him. I mean, she could feel his appreciation for her. She could feel, I mean, he truly was having this heartfelt. It's like a supernatural instinct. Yeah, yeah.

1:50:18And so he was just feeling very, very, you know, close to her. She felt close to him, and he was able to have her read his mind. Now, what's interesting is that I've seen people who've witnessed one of my experiments who go from, oh, I didn't know this was possible, to, oh, now I'm convinced it's possible, actually start to have some of these experiences themselves. So what's interesting is the degree to which our belief system filters out what we experience. If we don't believe something is possible, we're less likely to experience it. And this has been one of the confounding variables in parapsychology research, because if you have people who are parapsychologists who believe in this stuff because you've already had your own experiences or had other experiments that you've witnessed, then you're more likely to actually have favorable results.

1:51:28You really actually have more favorable results. This gets back to that sort of psychokinesis thing that I talked about earlier where our thoughts can can have an impact on the outcome of things. And, but similarly, if you're a diehard skeptic that you're just like, you know, you cross your arms and you're just like, show me, and I don't believe in this stuff, then it may shut the whole experiment down. And in fact, when we were filming the telepathy tapes, there was this, one of Kai's camera crew was a diehard skeptic. And there was a short period of time there when we weren't getting the kind of results we were getting before.

1:52:16And so Kai asked this person to leave, just go out to your car and cut us some space. And then the experiment started going well again. And so it's fascinating to think about how powerful our consciousness can be in shaping the reality we experience.

1:52:48I think that that's really, really, really important for people to contemplate. I mean, people talk about the law of attraction, which is this idea that if you're thinking about something or you want something, you may attract that into your life. And I mean, there's limitations to all of that, of course. But I think a more appropriate law to think about as opposed to the law of attraction is actually more the law of assumption, which is something that has been written about as well. And the law of assumption is more that check what your assumptions are. Check about what your actual beliefs are, that you treat this assumption as a fact when it really is just a belief.

1:53:40And if it's limiting belief, see if that limitation really is a limitation that's just based on attitude, or is it a reality-based limitation? And if you start peeling away those things that are assumptions that are really more of an attitudinal issue, and you start saying, well, no, I'm not going to let that apply to me. No, I'm not. That's a limiting belief. That's a limiting belief because I had a critical father or that's a limiting belief because I had a teacher at school who didn't believe in me or whatever. And just say, no, I refuse to accept that and defy those assumptions. You'll actually see that things will go better for you.

1:54:34I know you're right on that. I mean, they say assuming things is a bad thing to do. But, I mean, with this mind-reading telepathy stuff, I mean, I could see that as a blessing and a curse at the same time. I mean, if you're – everybody has bad or evil thoughts. At least I have a lot of them. And, you know, if I had a child who could read my mind, I don't know if I would wish that on somebody. Because you get angry, not necessarily just at the child. You get angry at your wife. You get angry at the other child. You get angry at friends. I mean, you have, I don't want to call them fantasies, but, you know, you imagine yourself doing things to people that hurt your family, maybe.

1:55:39And, I mean, to have a child that has access into that, I mean, they would see or experience thoughts that you wouldn't want a five-year-old, eight-year-old, ten-year-old, you know, to think about. Those could be sexual thoughts. Those could be thoughts of violence. Those could be fantasies that you want to experience. Anything. And so do they tap into that? Well, that's one of the reasons that a lot of people contact me as well, is it's not only do they go through the ontological shock of, wait a minute, how is this even possible? But oftentimes, they're going, oh, my gosh, I don't want my child to be reading my mind.

1:56:38They're really going, my thoughts aren't always positive. And there's a lot of, you know, it's kind of like, you know, it's being naked in a way that people are more comfortable being physically naked than they are being naked in that way. And so one of the things that happens is that the parents of these children at first have that reaction oftentimes, not always, but oftentimes. They go through their own spiritual transformation because they have to out of necessity. And what I mean by that is they really do a lot of housecleaning. You know, a lot of what we need to do to evolve ourselves, to be good people, is we need to be able to look at our shadow.

1:57:41Look at that which we don't really want to see about ourselves. This is Carl Jung talked about the shadow. And if we don't see it about ourselves, we tend to project it onto other people. Oh, I don't like that. Ever notice that people will say, oh, I don't like her because she's a liar. And you think, well, you're kind of a liar yourself.

1:58:07Or whatever. You'll see that people will tend to kind of project onto other people that which they don't want to see about themselves. And so when you face your own shadow and look at the things that you, if you saw it about yourself, you wouldn't like about yourself, you're bringing it to an awareness that enables you to change that about yourself. If you really don't like that, then why, you know, are you really evolving yourself spiritually if you're just keeping the blinders on saying, I'm only going to look at myself this way and I'm not going to look at things that I don't want to look at about myself.

1:58:48And so what happens is that these parents will tell you they become better people as a result of their child. And they are so grateful to their child for doing that. And this gets back to something you brought up in the first half of this, which is this generational trauma thing. A lot of these autistic children who are here today say they're here to help evolve humanity. they say that, that they are here on the planet right now because they feel it's, you know, that they're on a mission to help evolve humanity and to help bring us to a different place and to bring us to a place that's more loving, more respectful of life.

1:59:44You know, to actually usher in a time period that's more in keeping with what Christ tried to usher in. And where do they say that, what would you call that? Would you call that an intuition? Where do they tap into? Oh, they'll tell you that they talk with God. That they didn't lose connection. So, you know, like there's this idea that when we die in Christianity that we return to source. You know, we go back to be united with God in heaven if we've been a good person. You know, it depends upon, you know, what do you do with your free will in this lifetime? You know, there's a certain amount of our path that's just laid out for us.

2:00:36And then, but we also have free will. And what do you do with that free will? And so what we oftentimes do is if we're always focused on self and service to self and not service to others, then we're fulfilling a life that is really just more secular. Even if we believe in God, you're still really predominantly living a fairly secular life if all you're thinking about is your own pleasures and what brings you joy without thinking about the greater good and whatnot. That brings us closer to God. People will tell you that they feel so much better when they're giving. You know, this cliche is it's better to give than to receive.

2:01:38I actually see how people, when they're in a giving space, feel better. And so I think that they're not disconnected from source. All of us can be connected as well. But we have to look at what are we doing that disconnects us.

2:02:00Do they have other communication with God, with Jesus, with Source, whatever they're... Yeah, they talk about being in communication with Jesus. They talk about being in communication with angels. What kind of communications? Two-way conversations. Two-way conversations? Any specific examples that stick out in your head that you wouldn't bring up? um oh it's mainly it's really mainly a message of how we need to be more loving it it really is about that it really um it pains these autistic individuals that that there's so much disharmony in the world it really does it pains me too is this free conversation or is this for example psychedelics I have a lot of friends that use psychedelics for brain injury, for PTS for all that stuff talk to a lot of really big successful businessmen and women as well.

2:03:20And a handful of them are very interested and partake in psychedelics. And a commonality that I hear a term that I hear used often is like a download. I got a download to an answer of something that I'm looking for, whether that be personal life, business life, It could be anything. Is that what the conversations are like? Are they like a download, or can they tap in at any moment in time and ask a question? I think there's a little bit of both. I mean, but definitely they describe having downloads. Absolutely. And there are a lot of parallels between the experiences people report when they take psychedelics and the experiences that these autistic individuals report.

2:04:17I mean, they're not taking psychedelics. But it's as though their system itself is already running, you know, that circuitry that psychedelics activate. and they report being out of their body a lot of the time, you know, something we call dissociation, you know, and that's something that, I mean, remote viewers, you know, some of them do astral projection, you know, they say that they leave the embodied perspective and, you know, their consciousness, you know, becomes disembodied. Well, these kids describe themselves as, sort of being out of their body a lot of the time and very just tenuously tethered to it.

2:05:02Another thing that they've reported is synesthesia, which is like the kaleidoscope colors that you can experience with various visual symbols or sounds or whatever. So that's something you see with psychedelics. And telepathy is something that people on psychedelics have also reported. I've heard this. I've heard this as well. Yeah. And this concept of the hill, which is talked about in the telepathy tapes, where you have all of these non-speaking autistic individuals who say that they meet at a regular basis at the hill. And the hill is not really a physical place. It's a place, it's a realm that you have various mystics talk about.

2:05:56And I've heard people on psychedelics describe that it's like they go someplace where it's like there are all these other beings there, There are other individuals there from wherever, all over, that you just all come to some kind of non-physical convergence somewhere. So the parallels are very, very striking. So these specific autistic folks that you're speaking of, they basically live in that realm all the time. They don't have to take something to switch it on. It's just always on. Exactly. And so how functional would you be? A lot more functional, I think. But, I mean, so does the everyday average common human being, I mean, do we have these abilities?

2:06:55And so, you know, when we're talking about telepathy, I mean, I've had more times than I can count where a coincidence will happen. Here's an example. There was an individual that I worked with at the agency. I hadn't spoken to him in probably over 15 years. And for whatever reason, oh, I was, I think I talked about this on the show at some point in time. But I was looking for like a master furniture maker, a woodworker, somebody to make a piece of furniture for us. And this guy had a side project outside of contracting that was, he made beautiful, like one of a kind furniture pieces. And I remember his name popped up in my head.

2:07:46I won't say his whole name because I don't know where he's at now. But I was like, oh, I wonder what Dave's doing these days. you know and I thought about that on my drive to work I was like I wonder if I should reach out to him and see if he would want to craft one of these things I pull into the office only like a 20 minute drive and I pull into my office and I look at my phone and David just texted me now mind you I just mentioned I haven't talked to this guy in 15 years and he said hey Sean just want to see how you're doing i don't know if this is still your number da da da da da very interested in the psychedelic therapy that you've been talking about on your show and i think it might help me could we have a conversation about that and i was like what like i have not even his he had he had not even popped we weren't close we had worked together maybe one time you know and we go through all these years, he's not a person that pops into my head ever.

2:08:48And it just happened that that day, he had popped into my head. And, and I mean, that to me, there are no coincidences. I mean, I'm sure I wasn't in his head much either, you know, until, you know, the podcast started to get big maybe. But I mean, I could go on and on about specific examples like that. But that's just the first one that popped into my head. So are we able to tap into that? Was that some type of telepathic communication that happened there? Yeah, I mean, yeah, I believe so. I mean, telepathy may not be the best word for it because a lot of people have certain ideas what that means, but absolutely, it's showing us this interconnection.

2:09:34I had a very similar experience 10 months ago when this woman who used to be the receptionist in the group practice that I was briefly in in San Diego contacted me out of the blue. First time that she had contacted me in 30 years. And it was my birthday. and what was interesting about her, she didn't know it was my birthday, number one. Number two, I had just told someone about her the week before and I hadn't thought about her for ages, but this story came up in my mind that made me think about her and so in telling that story, I brought her up And then when she contacted me, she said, well, the universe has been pinging me, telling, you know, meaning, you know, she just like, she just started getting it in her head of, you know, you should try to get a hold of, you know, Diane Powell, you know.

2:10:46And so she looked me up and found a way to contact me through my website. And it turns out that she has a son who's autistic. And she had had her own psychic experiences with her son. But this was before the telepathy tapes. that she didn't know this just before the telepathy tape started. She didn't know about my research and what I was currently doing. And so it's like, hmm, very interesting. And this was when I knew her, she was only 18, 19 years old, so she hadn't had a child yet. So, I mean, it was just, so, yeah, what do you call these kind of synchronicities? You know, they're very powerful when they happen to us.

2:11:45And I think that we, you know, they show us that things are not so random as they appear. I mean, that there really is more order to the universe than we tend to think. that, you know, as a therapist, he's worked with a lot of people who've suffered deeply. One of the things that I've seen is that if people have enough time to really, you know, work through things and process things, oftentimes they see that even the things that were horrible that happened to us, actually were oftentimes, they played a huge role in our development. and people oftentimes can get to the place where they wouldn't want it any other way.

2:12:42Even as painful as it was, they see how that played a huge role in making them who they are now. Oftentimes, all of the suffering that people have actually drives them to a place of deeper spirituality.

2:13:02And so, because I've given a lot of thought to, you know, why do we suffer so much? Why is that just so common to the human experience? What I've seen is that it's through the suffering that it forces us to really start asking deep questions. and oftentimes it creates this sort of opening for us to take in a different way of thinking about things or approaching life that otherwise we would just kind of continue to sort of stumble along, you know, got to make the donuts coming, you know, another day, another, you know, and just sort of live this more prosaic, less meaningful life. It's these things that happen that make this stand back and go, oh, okay, wait a minute, what was that?

2:13:58That create this opportunity. I mean, what do you think about things like manifestation, you know, manifesting things into your life? I mean, does that fall in line with any of this stuff when you're thinking about somebody and they call you or you want to whatever it could be. Absolutely. I mean, I think that it could be that when we think about somebody, okay, we're sending out a signal, you know, and it's just like, you know, Think of it this way, below the sort of direct perception with our sensors, that we have kind of like a radar for certain things. And one of the things that we have a radar for is when somebody is focusing on us.

2:14:58You know, and examples of this are, you know, if somebody calls your name. Mm-hmm. You might, people can say a lot of different things and you can stay occupied with whatever it is that you're doing at that moment. But when somebody says your name, it's like, it grabs your attention. So it's like you always have this little kind of radar out there for your name. As controversial as it is, there's a lot of people who swear by the research supporting the idea that if somebody is staring at you, okay, that you know it. You know, they could be behind you, but they're staring at you and you know it.

2:15:39So, and then you turn and you look at them. Okay. So there's something about our identifying somebody by, you know, name, picture, you know, you know, you know, whatever, you know, identifying factors there are. It's like our GPS on that person. Okay, just like the remote viewers were able to use geophysical coordinates. And, you know, so many degrees north and south versus east and west, and then hone in on a target and draw it reasonably, you know, accurately. Similarly, when we evoke somebody's name or image, it's like a compass needle pointing at them. And then if we have this intention, whatever that intention is of, oh, for the remote viewer, it's a, well, I intend to draw what it is I see.

2:16:49Or the intention could be just as simple as the thought of, well, I wonder what Dave's up to these days. Or whatever happened to Dave? No, and it's just like a fleeting thought that you have. It's still, it's almost like it's a message that's got to air. And then the universe somehow, it's pretty magical, but the universe somehow is like that individual gets that message. And all of this is below conscious awareness. And that individual just kind of picks up on it without even knowing why they're picking up on it. And it all feels like, you know, to that individual, it usually feels like it is just their idea, you know, just kind of like, oh, I just had this random thought that I thought, you know, I'd call Sean today or whatever.

2:17:51But after you've had these experiences over and over again, people start to trust that, oh, this feels slightly different than what it feels like when I bring up the thought of somebody, when the thought of them just pops into my mind. And that's what this woman meant by pinging. It's just like it felt different. And when you start to pay attention to those things, you're getting more in touch with your intuition. I know for myself, and I've heard this from many individuals, that when you have a certain thought that comes in, it's like people say it's a little voice or whatever. I mean, it's like that says to do something, you pay attention to it.

2:18:43You know, because that little voice could be what makes you just all of a sudden decide, oh, I'm not going to change lanes. And then a truck whizzes by, you know, and you realize, oh, boy, you know, I was about to change lanes and then something in me stopped me. You know, or like I had it with my computer, you know, I just, you know, I was like one day, you know, I was just like, oh, you know. you haven't backed up your computer for a while. You better back it up. And it's like, it was an inconvenient time to go and do what I needed to do to back it up. But I just paid attention to that. And then lo and behold, my computer crashed later that day.

2:19:23And it's a good thing I had backed it up. But you hear a lot about this with people going on planes too. I had a weird feeling. I didn't want to get on the flight. Then the plane crashed or lots of stuff like that. Right. And so there's somehow, there's like a little intuition there. So in all of this, it's not in that sort of analytical, left hemisphere, logical way of processing things. It's coming from somewhere else. And we become so, you know, head-centric, you know, that we tend to ignore any information that's coming from, you know, a feeling or this or that. And I think that's a mistake.

2:20:12We need to learn how to – how do we have it all work together? You know, I mean, sometimes our feelings are, you know, maybe if we have an anxiety issue, we can't trust all our feelings because sometimes those feelings might not be really associated with what's going on in the here and now. It could be really a feeling that's a carryover from something, you know, from another time. But that's where your analytical skills can enter in and go, is this an appropriate – why am I feeling this now? Is this appropriate to what's going on right now? So that's one aspect. But there's also just this intuition that's just more of a, you know, just something tells me.

2:20:55And you don't need to know what that something is. it's somehow you're getting information that's non-local and it was important enough that it entered into your awareness do you think that i mean it sounds like this is a lot more prevalent in folks that have autism and so are they able to in a lot of times when i see signs or something like that happens things are slow i'm able to be more into the moment and it's it's almost like maybe I'm able to organize my brain at the time and compartmentalize certain things. Whereas, you know, when it's, when it's busy and a lot of things are on my mind, maybe they're bothering me.

2:21:42Maybe I'm stressing about them. You know, maybe there's a lot of business happening. Maybe there's a lot of stuff going on at home, you know, and I'm not, I'm not, I'm always thinking about the future that's that's that's a problem that i have i'm just always thinking about the future and planning and making moves and whatever right and so what i'm wondering is are autistic people able to organize their brains and thoughts and compartmentalize certain issues problems you know things that are going on in their lives and completely separate from them to where that they lived more at the moment. That's not a thing.

2:22:20No, no, they're not real good at compartmentalizing at all. I mean, they spend a lot of time in overwhelm. Okay. You know, think of them more as not having much in the way of filters. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. One of the things about autistic individuals is also that their experience of time is different from ours. How so? They feel that we are very, very slow. They are operating at a much faster mental speed. and one of the things that's interesting is that i mean the spellers are you know painstakingly slow sometimes you know in terms of how long it takes for them to get a thought out but there's a huge contrast between that speed which is slower than we would go and the speed that they're running on that they'll tell you that they're just this helps them to slow down enough to actually connect with us.

2:23:32It's hard for them to be in that middle ground. We have experimental evidence that their concept of time, not only do they report it as different, but we have experimental evidence that they experience it differently because of something called the flicker fusion frequency. And what that is, is that it's the, so if you have a light, okay, this light is not constant, okay? It's flickering, okay? But if it's above a certain frequency, we experience it as - Continuous. Continuous. So the flicker fusion frequency is the frequency threshold at which you don't experience it as continuous. and theirs is different than ours.

2:24:21Really? Yes.

2:24:30And if you think about it, in altered states of consciousness, we experience time differently. In the dreaming state, You can have a dream that only lasts two minutes, but it covers stuff that you couldn't do in two minutes. It could cover, would take, you know, hours for that whole thing to, you know, but it's condensed down into two minutes. Another example is when we've got a huge adrenaline surge because of some emergency that's come up. Time dilates, and we can do in 20 seconds what would normally take us 10, 15 times that amount of time to do. Okay. And so our perception of time unfolding the way that we, you know, that it's how we experience it, our perception of time is really, you know, a product of brain functioning.

2:25:53And we know from Einstein that it's an illusion, that it's not that it just only goes in one direction.

2:26:10And in fact, there are physicists who talk about something called the Bloch universe, which is really that the past, present, and future all coexist. So it's though that like the movie's already in the can, you know, and then we're just, you know, only seeing it frame by frame.

2:26:32And this is something that philosophers and physicists debate is, you know, not only, you know, okay, is there this evidence that, you know, that past, present, and future all coexist. coexist, how dynamic is it? Because there are physicists who will say that just because they all coexist doesn't mean that the future is predetermined. And there are even people who say that the past isn't predetermined. It's not already determined either. So there's all of these things that come out of these models within quantum physics that are really hard for your average person to wrap their head around. But it's because of these phenomena where you have people who claim to time travel, which these autistic individuals claim to time travel, it's because of individuals like that, that we see that there might actually be some human experiences that validate some of these things that came up from theories that are over 100 years old about the nature of reality.

2:27:45How do they experience time travel? Oh, they… a lot of these individuals are very precognitive. They'll have experiences of something that hasn't happened yet.

2:28:06And one of the best examples is this young woman named Elsa who was in the telepathy tapes. And she had this vision that her father slipped on ice and broke his hip and ended up in the hospital. Well, at the time, they were living in Arizona, and that didn't look like that was a very likely possibility. But then what happened is, you know, within three to four weeks, he was on a business trip, and he slipped on ice and broke his hip and ended up in the hospital.

2:28:43Wow. So she had that experience before it already happened. And something that Phyllis Atwater, who I mentioned earlier, who's the expert on near-death experiences, one of the things that she's written about is something called future memory. And future memory is, she's had experiences of this herself, and people can have these experiences on nitrous oxide. you know, laughing gas can sometimes bring about this, where you literally go to some point in the future, experience something, and then come back into, you know, this time period. And, you know, and you're only gone for, you know, seconds, you know, at most in terms of, you know, and so you're not, you're aware of the fact that something's happened because she describes it as there's like this, you know, like scintillating, you know, lights, you know, there's like all these visual things she sees first before things shift, and then she finds herself somewhere in the future in her life, and then that closes up, and then she's back in this time period.

2:29:59When that future event comes around, it's not just deja vu, it's not just that individual going, oh, this seems familiar. It's literally, oh, I'm here now. Okay. And you know exactly what people are going to say, who's going to walk through the door, everything. And so it's like you saw a preview of that section of the movie reel in advance, and now you're there.

2:30:33And it's something that she has many, many, many examples of this. And so that's, I'd say, the predominant type of time travel that these kids do is really more into the future rather than into the past. Have you seen this actually happen personally? and throughout your studies? Have you seen any incidents? Well, I've just heard anecdotes, but one of the things that I want to do is I want to test them for precognition. I've seen people email me with a prediction and then email me later with, okay, that prediction. See, I told you. That kind of thing. One of the problems about precognitions, though, is that usually for people who do this kind of time travel, I mean, time is so, I mean, time is a strange concept to them.

2:31:41And precognition doesn't really give you, it's not like there's a calendar date that comes along with it so that you know exactly when it's going to happen. So when Elsa had that vision of her father, I mean, she didn't know if it was going to happen in two weeks and two years. You just don't know. And so it would be nice if there was a time stamp on it, but generally there isn't. The reason I'm asking is I'm just curious, you know, what state do they appear to be in while this is happening? And is it a blank stare? They're not there right now. It happens to me a lot. I don't know if it's from traumatic TBIs and PTS.

2:32:34There's a lot of times where I'll just be sitting there and I'm not there. And I'm not saying I can do this and I'm not trying to relate, but I know that there are times where I'm out. And my wife and kids are like, what the hell is wrong with dad? Right, right. Yeah, it's basically a checking out. Yeah, yeah. No, I've seen them do that. I mean, generally, when I'm around, though, they're very attentive, you know, because I'm there. But, yeah, definitely they check out. That's what it's like. It's like they're not there. Yeah, it's like, hello. Yeah. Yeah. And that's what it's like, their conscious awareness, that's what we're noticing.

2:33:19When somebody is checked out, you realize that their awareness is not on some sensory input that's here. The awareness has gone somewhere in the mental space, you know, the mental imagination, but it's gone into something that is not the here and now. And so much of this is about where do you put your awareness? Are you so captivated by what is being presented to you by your sensory system that you're just drawn in? Or I'm so captivated by what you're having to say that I'm just giving you my every ounce of attention? or do you have a certain percentage of attention that when you're doing something is like thinking, okay, now what is it I'm supposed to do right after the, you know.

2:34:16And so a lot of people are walking around with divided attention. And then just think of it as what percentage of your attention is in the here and now, what's right here that I'm attending to versus this other thing. And it's the whole scale from, you know, zero to 100%. Wow. What is déjà vu? You brought that up. It's this feeling that you've already seen something. Vu is from vision in French, déjà already. So it's like, I already saw this. Like, oh, I've been here before. Or, oh, I met you before and in fact i met you here before oh this feels so familiar and we all experience that we all experience it to some degree and it's something that people who have temporal lobe epilepsy which i mean the temporal lobes are the section of the brain that's like on the sides here you know right right along here okay it's interesting that it's called temporal lobe, you know, because tempus is time.

2:35:32And the temporal lobe, if you have seizure activity in it, you can have people that go on fugue states. So a fugue state is where you have somebody who just, they're not there, they're checked out, and yet they can engage in all kinds, almost like sleepwalking, they can engage in all kinds of complex activities. They can buy it. They can even go to the airport, buy a ticket, get on a plane, fly somewhere, book a hotel, and be staying there, and then three days later go, how did I get here? Have no recall of any of that. So that's called a fugue state, and people with temporal lobe epilepsy can have that.

2:36:22Well, people who have a little bit of temporal lobe issues can also have a lot of deja vu experiences. So there's something about the temporal lobe that if you have abnormal or excessive activity in it, that it really kind of takes you out of the here and now. kind of puts you into some, you know, just non-local consciousness. Interesting. How are they communicating with each other? They say they communicate telepathically with one another. All of them? The autistic individuals? Well, all of the ones I work with report that. So I can only, I can't generalize to, I mean, there's a lot of non-speaking autistic individuals in the world.

2:37:23I mean, we probably have a million in the U.S. alone. And where I get that number is that about 5 million people in the U.S. are diagnosed as having autism now. And a quarter of them are non-speaking. So that's quite a few individuals. And I'm only currently working with maybe three or four dozen, you know, or ones that I'm in regular contact with. So that's a tiny, tiny percentage. I don't want to generalize from them the entire non-speaking autistic world. But the ones that I'm working with who are self-selected, it's their families contacted me or their teachers contacted me because they said, this kid's doing the kind of things you research, and so I want you to meet my kid and tell me what you think and help me deal with whatever's coming up for them as a result of it.

2:38:22So I really have no idea how many are out there, but I do know that the ones who contact me, they say that they're in contact with other non-speakers. And many of them will say that all of them can, but I mean... But it's really, there's a lot more to be explored. But you've seen this happen. You've seen them communicate with each other. Yeah. Can you describe some of the research that you've done on this? Well, so there are these individuals. So there are these clusters, the ones that I find that the most compelling evidence for really are the ones that, who already know one another. I hear these anecdotes about, you know, there's someone named, you know, Peter in Florida who's in contact with somebody named Ian in Ireland, that kind of a thing.

2:39:20You know, but it's just like, I mean, how do I know, you know? Yeah, prove it. How do I? But what I've heard is from teachers that work with these students on a regular basis, I've heard them tell me about evidence of telepathy within these kids. And so one of my favorite stories comes from this cluster of kids that are in Florida. And they've known each other. They're all minimally or non-speaking autistic individuals. There's about nine of them. And they'd been going to this school and have known one another for about seven years. And one day at school, they were doing math tests, okay? And all of the kids were scoring 100 % on the math tests.

2:40:18And one of the teachers got kind of suspicious and was just like, hmm, you know, they're not all this good at math. This seems a little bit suspicious here, you know. And so she found out that, you know, that these kids, that they were all, they knew that Emma was really good at math. And so they were just cheating by, you know, telepathically seeing, well, how's Emma answering these questions? So one day Emma decided that she was going to prove that that's what was going on. And so she purposely put false answers to the math questions there. And then all of the rest of the class gave the same wrong answers.

2:41:05Are you serious? Yeah. They call it the cheating scandal. and everybody laughs about it but wow what kind of scenarios have you engineered for this well so i've also had um there's another cluster of kids in chicago who've been working with a speech therapist there and so i had her put them in separate rooms and and asked her if she could have one of them send random stimulus to the other one. And so I just have some preliminary data on that. Some of them were able to do that. Some of them find that too boring or they don't want to do that. So instead, what Maria said is, it'll work better if we make it more organic and make it more of a conversation.

2:41:59And I said, okay, well, give me an example of what that looked like. And she said, well, so for example, this one boy, Ryan, Ryan said something about politics to this boy, Akil, who was in another room. And then Akil answered back about, you know, and they started back and forth talking about politics. And, you know, so the one boy said how much he liked Trump. And the other kid said, yeah, he didn't care for Democrats either. And it was this kind of, so it was kind of like they were having this discussion back and forth telepathically, but rather than wanting to do the whole, you know, well, here's a random number and can you send it to your friend?

2:42:55Jeez. I mean, what's going through your head when you are researching and you see these phenomenons happen? Oh, it just makes me want to dive in deeper. Because, I mean, it's like every question that I've had that's gotten answered, only it's gotten answered with more questions than I have that I want answers to. And so it really, I mean, it's just endlessly fascinating. What kind of questions do you have? What kind of questions do I have? Oh, well, I'm wanting to know, you know, I'm really wanting to know, you know, the kinds of things that you're asking, you know, like, you know, how do they experience the world?

2:43:43I mean, I really want to know what it's like to be in, you know, in their mind, number one. And then I want to know, you know, what is it that is, is there something that we can measure objectively that will validate some of these things? But, you know, beyond just, okay, so it's interesting that we, you know, have this sort of evidence for telepathy or whatever. But what is, you know, what is going on? Can we measure the, for example, differences in their biofield? and there's this there's this um device that's called a bio well that was invented by a russian scientist that reportedly measures this biofield i told you about and it also gives a reading of the chakras which are talked about in eastern traditions and each one of these is just an energy center, you know, the way to think of it, like a vortex of energy.

2:44:53And the chakra that people in Eastern mysticism talk about being associated with psychic abilities, things like telepathy, is the third eye, the sixth chakra. And I tested the biofield of this one boy during telepathic communication with his mother, And that chakra and the throat chakra, which is a communication chakra, were two and a half times deviated from the midline, but just during telepathy. And so that to me is very interesting information because it really does provide some evidence that these ideas of biofields and energy centers, each of which is devoted to some other sort of aspect of our consciousness, if you will.

2:45:55You know, we've got the heart chakra, you know, which is associated with, you know, the feelings of the heart, you know, the solar plexus, you know, the root chakra, which is our sense of, root chakra is our sense of, you know, groundedness or, you know, belonging. You know, each one of these is like a different aspect of ourselves that ideally are all kind of singing together in harmony, you know, but that can get, we can get out of balance. You know, people can be, you know, if they don't have a solid grounding, then it's more problematic for them to be having these sort of psychical experiences because they're not grounded.

2:46:38So, I mean, you know, there needs to be a way in which all of these things are working together in a coherent way. But in order to prove that those things that are thousands of years old, this idea of there being chakras and energy fields, and it's across different cultures. I mean, Native Americans believe in them as well. And so proving those and then understanding what do we do to bring those more in harmony with one another? Because what I'm really, really interested in is how can we help be our fullest potential in a way that is removing the impurities and restoring the harmony to our own biofield.

2:47:33You know, so that the body in its innate wisdom can heal itself rather than having this model of healing that's imposing something on somebody saying, you know, let me give you this medication that really just manages symptoms instead of that. that, how do I bring you back to your divine blueprint that has had all of these insults to it? Whether it's toxic chemicals or EMF or just all the psychological baggage that we accumulate as a result of living in the kind of world we live in today? And how do we clear all of that out, restore harmony? Because if we ourselves, because the only thing that we really have control over is really ourself.

2:48:39And if what we do is we start really trying to do a really good job of being the best that we can be, What I see happens is there's a ripple effect that if I'm in a really good space and harmonized, I have that effect. I kind of have that effect on other people around me. I see that if I'm in a good mood, it's easier to get other people to be in a good mood. And then those people then are in a good mood and that can bring on a good mood for, you know, a better attitude and mood for the people around them. And so if we all focus on that which we have control over instead of putting our consciousness to something that disempowers us, makes us feel helpless, makes us feel like what's the point?

2:49:30If we stop putting our energy there and start putting our energy into, well, what do I have control over? And what can I do? How can I make things better? Then we start to bring about more harmony. And that's associated with health. We know that our attitude and our mental health has a huge impact on our morbidity and mortality from a whole host of conditions. So what I'm wanting to see is how do we facilitate people in that process? And I see these autistic individuals as being, they're like the canaries in the coal mine. They're the sensitives who are showing us that, you know, they're showing us in a more extreme way, you know, the good and the bad of everything.

2:50:25And we can learn so much from them. But there's ramifications for everyone.

2:50:35Be careful what you project. Be careful what you project. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. But don't stop being authentic. It's so, that's the thing. It's like, be authentic. And see, for some people, they don't know how. It's like they want to be this person. They're like, but I'm not that person. So then they go out of authenticity. And when you go out of authenticity, you're actually going from a place of empowerment to a place of disempowerment. I don't know if you know much about kinesiology. I don't know anything about it. Yeah, so kinesiology has something called muscle testing in it, okay, where if you say a lie, okay, you actually are physically weaker.

2:51:37if you if you if you're if you're saying like if you were to if like you can test somebody okay and you and you and you it takes less force to move their body if they're if they're in a place of being disingenuous and so kinesiology is this art of what's called muscle testing but i mean people do it like this as well. You can put your fingers like this and then say something. We'll try it. I mean, what the heck? Try it. Say something. So try to hold these together and then say something that's true and say something that's false and see if you notice a difference in your strength. And what people do is they'll oftentimes test, use it as a way to test what they really believe.

2:52:32Because oftentimes, this is what we really believe, and then there's what we say we believe or tell ourselves we believe because that's what we should believe.

2:52:52There's a book by someone named David Hawking, it's called Power Versus Force, and he talks about how instead of with power, the idea of power is that you're just asserting power over something. It takes a lot more effort to assert power over something than it does to just create a force field that brings it about. And our state of consciousness and our state of authenticity plays a role in how powerful that force field is. Interesting. Why do you think so many people struggle with authenticity? Oh, I think people want to be liked and accepted by other people. And there's this belief system that if I showed you who I am or what I really think, you might not like me.

2:54:06Now, what happens is when somebody is afraid to say what they really think, show who they really are, what happens is that you actually, if you do that and you are authentic, you give permission to the other person to be authentic too. And oftentimes that creates the strongest bond because it's like, oh my God, you think that too? Oh, we said that. We're not supposed to say that, but we think that and we said it. And, you know, hey, I love you, bro. You know, because it's like, because you now know I don't have to hold back from you. There's a price we pay when we have to hold back. And then there's always this, well, it's limiting to the heart because it's like, okay, well, now you're acting like you like me.

2:55:06But is your liking of me conditional? Is it because I say what you expect me to say, what I'm supposed to say? Or do you like me because, hey, you know, I like you. We may be different in this way or that way, but it's okay. I like you because I respect the fact that you're comfortable in your own self. And you're a good person. You're not trying to hurt anybody or whatever. Man, I feel so bad for people that have not found the ability to be authentic because they're projecting a complete false reality, a characterization. and I see this a lot in the veteran community with over-embellished war stories, flat-out lies.

2:55:58I mean, projecting a certain attitude, I'm a tough guy, or whatever it is, and I look at that, and I fell into that a long, long time ago. But what I think about myself is I'm a very authentic person, and I don't waver. And I see these people that, and it could be anything, but, you know, where the ego takes over or whatever happens. And it's like they're living in a prison. You know it's not them. And it's like living your entire life imprisoned. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Exactly. And that's, you know, one of the reasons why, you know, people need, it's like, it's sad to say people feel like they need permission to just be their authentic self.

2:56:59And some of my favorite patients that I worked with over the years were people who were part of the 12-step program. And one of the reasons why is that they really say, hey, be real, man, you know, be authentic.

2:57:16And people love, once they get into the 12-step program, one of the things they love about it is it's a place where it's like you can come and show up and say, I screwed up. And people still accept you. And you feel a true sense of belonging and love from that community. And then you're actually, you're not wanting to let them down, but you're also not wanting to let yourself down anymore. Because what you start to realize is that it's, you're letting yourself down. And you've got all of this support that's saying, hey, we love you anyway. Mm-hmm. And what you ultimately want is, I mean, one of the reasons why people are being inauthentic is because they're wanting, ultimately, they're afraid of rejection or they're wanting to be loved and liked or whatever.

2:58:22So ultimately, you're, like, removing that layer of it and giving the person sort of permission to be authentic. And then over time, you know, the person is like, maybe what it was that they were trying to escape from before no longer needs to be escaped from. Maybe what they were trying to escape from was a lack of self-esteem, a lack of self-worth. And by being in this supportive community, they start to develop a sense of self-worth. Thank you. And so then there's like less of a feeling like you need to escape. So people get, like you said, in a prison you get locked into this like, you know, it's easiest to, the path of least resistance is to just keep doing what you've been doing.

2:59:21But if what you've been doing is not giving you the results you want, then you're probably going to continue to get those results or even worse because things tend to get worse over time. You had mentioned earlier, you know, I mean, what we're talking about is living in a lie. And, you know, we just, you talked about strength, you know, and how if you live in truth, if you are your true self, if you're authentic, then it, I mean, it physically makes you stronger as well. Whereas if you are living in a characterization of something that's not you, then your body becomes weaker. Absolutely. Yeah.

2:59:59The funny thing is, I mean, we live in a day and age right now where people are screaming for authenticity. But I think there's a small percentage of the population that is actually – they are genuinely authentic. They are projecting exactly who they are. And another funny thing is that, I mean, the more authentic, the more of yourself that you are, at least as you get older, maybe not teenagers and below, but when you are authentic, people gravitate to that. Yeah. Even people that are not authentic, that don't have the courage to be themselves, that don't have the courage to lay the lies down, I mean, they even gravitate towards you.

3:00:53Why do you think that is?

3:00:58Oh, I think that being authentic is something that people really want for themselves, okay? And so we tend to be attracted to individuals who represent something we want for ourselves, even if we don't think we're capable of it. It's as though we're attracted to it as though it's going to rub off on us. But it's just, and there's this saying about people, that saying opposites attract. Part of the attraction is a desire for more balance, a desire to be a little bit less like this and a little more like that, or to strike some kind of balance or to have a little bit of both.

3:01:57What's attractive, as I said, is what we want. I think ultimately, I mean, why wouldn't people want to be their authentic self? why wouldn't you i think that i think that people are born that way i mean i look at my kids you know and they're their authentic self and then as you become indoctrinated through society and external influences start to play a role not in who you are but who you become Right. And that's what I'm saying is, so when I'm saying, why wouldn't somebody want to be their authentic self, I'm talking about their deep, deep, deep self wanting to be its authentic self and expression.

3:02:44Okay. That, you know, that we're, you know, we're, we're here to have, you know, to express fully who we are. But what happens is, is that we, that, that self goes underground because of the social conditioning. because of the desire for approval. Or, you know, sometimes, you know, so a little, you know, a baby coming right out of the womb, I mean, that baby's authentically that baby. And along the way, they get conditioned into being who they think they need to be to get parental love. then it moves on to peers. They reach an age where they know they've got their parents' love, now they want their peers' love.

3:03:35Or they've given up on their parents' love. They're only looking for their peers' love or whatever. But it's this, the social conditioning works because you're wanting that approval. But if from the get-go, at every step as you're coming out more and more into the world, you got met with, oh, I'm so, you know, happy to see you and your full authentic self, then people wouldn't get, wouldn't suppress it. Now, I know we're getting away from the telepathy tapes right now, but I'm curious what your thoughts are, you know, as a parent. You know, I think about this often because it took me, I don't know how long.

3:04:18I mean, being in the SEAL teams, contracting, that's not who I am. I thought that's who I was. I really wanted to do that. I did it. But it took me a period of time to get back to what I believe is my true self. And now as a parent, I think about I want my kids to be their authentic self. And so that goes into everything. I don't want my kid playing a certain sport because he thinks I want him to play that certain sport. I don't want him to have hobbies that he doesn't want to do because I like to do it. And but so I'm curious what your thoughts are, you know, for somebody that's a parent that genuinely, you know, and I see this all the time.

3:05:05You know, people, they force their kids to play baseball. They want them, you know, they push them. They push them into things and then the kid is forced to do it. And maybe they want to do it. Maybe they don't. Maybe they only want to do it because they know that that's what's going to make their dad proud. And so how do you introduce hobbies, activities, values, things like that to your children without over-influencing them? Well, I think a lot of it starts with yourself in terms of, first of all, setting the intention as a parent that what I want is going to be that which makes my child feel happy.

3:05:49okay then and i'm not going to define what that happiness looks i'm not going to say oh i'm not going to put a condition on i'm not going to say oh that happiness has to include that they have a higher level of education or it's not going to include that they make a certain salary amount per year it's not those are not going to be the measures of success the measures of success are going to be that my child is happy and fulfilled okay and independent though you don't want the child to be, you know, you can be happy and fulfilled, but totally dependent upon others. So you want them to be independent because that's part of feeling self-fulfilled is to know that you really, you know, that you've got it covered for yourself.

3:06:32So what I did with my daughter and what I encourage people to do is to provide a whole variety of interests for the child. You know, just like these are all the possibilities, you know. There's music, there's sports, there's, you know, all of these different possibilities, and some of which I engage in, some of which I don't. But it doesn't matter what I engage in. It's more that there are people that engage in all of these different types of things. And which one of these things appeals to you? And if you don't know yet, then just try a little bit of all of them. And then what you do is you track how your child responds to whatever that thing is that, you know, they're taking the summer course in or whatever it is they're doing.

3:07:18And you just see, boy, my kid really, you know, on the days that he's got, you know, baseball practice, boy, he's, you know, he's got an extra little glint in his eye. You know, he's really looking forward to it. Or you see, you know, or, you know, oh, this is what, you know, she's doing on the weekend when she doesn't have to. You know, she's going out and she's getting her sketchbook because she's really enjoying her art class. So what you do is you see what it is that they gravitate towards because the reality is that a lot of what leads to success is not just aptitude. It's are you willing to put the tens of thousands of hours of work into the mastery of it?

3:08:02Mm-hmm. Because the reality is a lot of us could master a lot of things if we had the motivation. And nothing motivates us more than actually being inherently drawn to it. And so we have to rein back our own sort of, well, that's what I would have liked to have done when I was a kid, but I didn't get to do it because I was fulfilling my father's dream that I'd become an attorney. but now I want my kid to do that. Well, that kid may not want to do the thing that he wanted to do. And you're just sort of, you're perpetuating the cycle, even though the facts are different, the process is the same.

3:08:46It being that your dream fulfillment is really coming, you're looking to your kid to do that. So you help them to sort it out. And with my daughter, I saw that what she really liked to do was draw and sketch. And even though, I mean, I'm looking at going, well, okay, you know, hard to make a living as an artist. I'm the last person who's going to try to, you know, discourage that. And so she majored in design in college, and she got a fantastic job out of college because people now recognize how important design is to so many different things that she actually got a very, very good job. Are you careful not to overemphasize things that she is interested in that you're also interested in or inject in overabundance of positivity into an activity?

3:09:47Here's an example. My son and I love to fish. He's a toddler. Used to love to fish. I think now he gets really bored. you know and and now i'm like am i over emphasizing our time together doing fishing as a hobby because we go he'll say he wants to go but now i'm wondering are you just saying you want to go because i'm saying i want you to go with me because this is how we spend time together and this is one of the only things that i can do that that that where i can actually be in the moment with my son and not be thinking about all the other bullshit in the world i think there's still value in you doing the fishing with your son because it's an opportunity to just hang out together and it can be an extremely relaxing thing and so he gets to experience his dad in a relaxed state hanging out and you know it's not like that's driving his career choices you know it's more like no it's it's something you like to do that you know he yeah it's kind of boring but you You're doing more than just fishing.

3:10:59It's almost like a meditative space. And so I think that there's no problem with that. It's more people fulfilling somebody's dreams that's more like, oh, they're going on and becoming a doctor because they want their dad to be proud of. What I have to do to gain my parents approval. Yeah, yeah. When it's not really they're coming from within them as they're calling. But, you know, go and spend time. You know, we all, you know, as social beings have, you know, times when we spend time with people because we love them and we want to spend time with them. And it's not necessarily doing 100 % what we'd be doing on our own.

3:11:44And that's just part of the social, you know, social contract that's okay because that's just part of the glue.

3:11:52but it's not the soul, it's not our full identity. I mean, your son's, I'm sure, got other things he's interested in that he's pursuing. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Okay. But getting back to these telepathic autists, an interesting story about this is that this one And the person who contacted me out of concern who has a telepathic autistic daughter, one of the things that happened to her was that her daughter could tell that the mother was not a happy person and started going into her memories. So it was not just reading her current thoughts, but was actually, she said it was as though I have a file drawer there.

3:12:45Whoa. And it's like, I've had more than one parent tell me about this. And it's like she was going through the files there. And the daughter was trying to understand why her mother was so unhappy. How old is this daughter? Oh, like 15. And what the daughter discovered was that her mother had given up her career as a dancer and her love for a man who was another dancer, but 10 years older than her, to please her parents and went on to become a medical doctor and married somebody to please her parents. And here she was living this inauthentic life and was unhappy, and her daughter was picking up on it.

3:13:51And so her daughter brought up this man to her and brought up her past career. And the mother contacted me wanting a therapy session saying, what do I do with this? This is opening up all my wounds. I thought I closed this chapter. This is the last thing I wanted to be dealing with. What should I do? You know, and so there's this, there's a tie-in here between, you know, this sort of like us, you know, our living in authentic life is something that these autistic individuals, I mean, they pick up on it like very, very quickly. Wow. Wow. Wow. So some of them have access to your memory. Yeah, they do.

3:14:56They do. And so it's like, well, you didn't think you were going to have to deal with that. I guess you're going to have to deal with it now. Wow. Yeah. Now, when you're talking about them communicating with each other, separate rooms, how do they describe what that experience is like? Is it like a, I mean, if they have that ability to an antenna or whatever in their brain that is able to access all these other minds, you know what I mean? How are they able to differentiate people that have this ability versus people that don't have this ability? I mean, it would be, I mean, the way I envision it right now is, you know, you're in a room with all these different people and you have to sift out, you know, you have to sort through them all to get to the one that you want to talk to, that you can relate to or have a conversation with or whatever.

3:16:03And so do they have some type of a radar? Well, they see auras. And so they basically say they see the biofield. And people have different colors to their auras depending upon, I suspect it has to do with which chakras are the most dominant in your field. And so people who have a dominant crown chakra and have a violet aura, which is what I've been told I have is a violet aura, and the other people have a blue aura or a green aura. And so this gives them an idea of who's psychic or not. Because if you have an indigo blue aura or a violet aura, they know that you've got some of these innate abilities, even if you're not aware of it.

3:17:03But if they see that you've got a red aura or an orange aura, which are the lower frequencies, They see that you're really more, your consciousness is predominantly expressed through the root chakra, you know, which is this sort of three-dimensional reality. You know, it's a very security-based, you know, survival-based reality. You know, if you've got an orange aura, that's your sacral aura, which is more the, you know, things like sexuality or, you know, other aspects that are much more hedonistic, you know. Or if you've got a green aura, you know, then that's your heart chakra and that you are more heart-centered.

3:17:51And so they actually see the colors around people and they'll tell you, oh, you know, they feel safe around me automatically because of the color of my aura. And they'll avoid somebody who's got a red aura or, you know, or a brown aura or, you know, because they don't feel safe. They like yellow. They say that's a happy aura so that yellow is a fine color too. Okay. I mean, how does that play in when they're communicating through walls in separate rooms, maybe separate? I mean, how far does this go? Is it throughout the world? Can somebody in the U.S. talk to somebody in China? They, I mean, anecdotally, I mean, there have been autistic individuals from different countries.

3:18:42I mean, that have been in contact with one another, predominantly between the U.S. and the U.K.

3:18:53But I haven't really had a chance to experimentally test it out, but it's something I'd really be interested in doing. Yeah. And so what about the other rooms? How do they describe that? Yeah.

3:19:09They just call it, you know, they're just mind-talking. I mean, it's hard to get somebody who's autistic to describe their inner experience. They tend to really struggle with that. But they don't really have a—it's so easy for us to try to impose our way of being on them and they're in some ways so different from us that it's really—that's one of the reasons why I can't answer some of these questions because it's really—it's just so different. To give you an example, a lot of them don't identify with this body as self. And so this one boy, Ethan, he always refers to himself in the third person.

3:20:07He'll say, Ethan, da-da-da. Ethan went to the store yesterday. Or Ethan thought about this. It's just like he's talking about himself. A lot of them will say that they don't feel that they're out of their body a lot of the time. And so there was this Japanese boy who wrote the book, The Reason I Jump, and the title comes from his answer to a question about why do you jump? And he says, because I feel my soul detaching from my body.

3:20:46and when I asked other autistics about this they were like absolutely I'm out of my body a lot of the time and so I think that that being out of the body is a common characteristic of a lot of of these psychic abilities. It's a common denominator. For example, if you think about the remote viewing, a lot of them say it's astral projection.

3:21:22They actually send their consciousness wherever it is, see what's there, and then come back. Look at people who've had near-death experiences who then afterwards report an increase in psychic abilities. Well, during a near-death experience, there's an out-of-body experience component to it. So you have that experience where you're seeing yourself from a perspective that's different from the embodied perspective. Similarly, people who've experienced tremendous trauma in early childhood, when we can disassociate more easily and leave our body more easily, they can oftentimes have an out-of-body experience because of some traumatic event that happened when they were very, very young.

3:22:12And it's like once you've had that out-of-body experience, it's like it's easier for your awareness to leave the embodied perspective and perceive things from somewhere else other than what it's like to be, you know, receiving through my eyes and hearing with these ears. Wow. When you were talking earlier about these guys and girls that are talking to Jesus Christ, talking to angels, I mean, and they're saying that they're here on earth to make us a better place, a more loving humanity. How do they describe those experiences with both angels and Jesus?

3:23:13Are they visual as well? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. They definitely see them. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. And they tell me that I've got angels around me. They said that I'm heavily protected.

3:23:29Well, that's good. Yeah, good to know. Do they describe the visuals? They describe the, so a lot of the beings that they see are light beings that they say are kind of a whitish, bluish color. And they're very tall. They also describe seeing Archangel Michael.

3:23:59of seeing Jesus. I can't say that any of them has ever given me a visual description of God, but they definitely have said that they've seen Jesus and angels. Do any of them have described this not knowing who Jesus is or who an angel is? Describe not knowing them? Yeah. Like, I guess what I'm getting at is somebody that has not been introduced to that yet, that would have no way of knowing who that person is other than their personal experience. There have been individuals who have reported talking with Jesus who were not raised Christians, Okay, if that's what you're asking. That's what I'm asking.

3:24:56Yeah, yeah, there are. Now one of the things that's interesting is that there are a number of the people who have contacted me who have a child who is autistic and has these kinds of abilities who come from a background where the family is Hindu, for example. And so they may report seeing Krishna. But if you look at the description of Krishna's life and the story of Jesus' life, there are certain parallels between the types of individuals they were. And so I think that, and similarly, when people have near-death experiences, that people will have a person who's a Buddhist might see Buddha, whereas somebody who's Christian might see Jesus or Mary or God.

3:26:01And so I think what happens is that to some extent, just like what happens with remote viewing, there's an analytical overlay that we tend to take our cultural background and use that to inform the form that something takes so that we can then identify. What we're perceiving is really just the energy. So maybe you're perceiving this is a benevolent, loving energy that I'm around. And if you were raised a Christian, you're going to think of Jesus. But if you're a Hindu, you might think of Krishna. It may be that it's the same energy. It's just the two different cultures are putting a different face onto it and labeling what they label it.

3:26:54Are there any of them that say that they don't see, maybe there's no visual, but it's more of an intuitive experience?

3:27:04Like they just feel a presence? Oh, well, some of them feel the presence, some of them hear it. It's more of an auditory experience. Have you monitored any brain activity when they're communicating with each other or having experience with some type of a higher being or digging into memories, going into the past, going into the future, remote viewing? Have you been able to map any brain activity? Well, one of the things that I want to do is map their brain activity. And I'm doing that with scientists using acute EEGs, which is basically, it's like an EEG, you know, measuring the electromagnetic signals at the surface of your skull.

3:27:56only it's hooked up to a computer program that can take that signal and create like a 3D map of the brain and tell you which areas of the brain the signals are coming from and what percentage of them are the different frequencies. And so it's called brain mapping. And that's something that I'm doing simultaneous recordings of, say, the mother and the son. if they're a telepathic pair or between two autistic telepathic pairs. I only have preliminary data, and it's really challenging data to get because the fact that these children tend to be very, very fidgety, and that creates a lot of artifact.

3:28:45And so it's really hard to get a clean EEG. But what I'm hoping to do is to work with them, to, you know, whether it's music or, you know, other types of methods to calm them down, to get them into a place where they can stay still and get good recordings while doing these experiments. But right now, it's just, they're so excited to, you know, to see me and, you know, and to be participating in the telephathy and et cetera, et cetera, that they're all amped up and they're just moving left and right. They're just like this, you know. You're just like, okay, we'll get the EEGs later. Well, you know, that's...

3:29:28What do you suspect that you might find? Do you have any... I suspect that there's a synchronization of the brains,

3:29:40that you'll find some phase locking between their brains where they're in sync, if you think about. You know, there's a natural, in the animal world, if you've ever seen birds or a school of fish, where it's like they're in sync with one another. It's like they're operating from the same field consciousness. Like a school of fish. Yeah, like a school of fish. They'll turn at the exact same moment, thousands of them. Instantaneously. It's not like they're waiting for some communication to be transmitted. It's that they're just in the same field and therefore responding at the same time as though they're all one.

3:30:25And so it's that kind of unity consciousness. And what I suspect is that you'll see that there's like a phase locking and a synchronization of the brain waves. So that it's like they're just both, it's like they're tuned into the same channel as opposed to it being one, you know, information being transmitted back and forth. it's more like no you're tuned into the same channel in real time you've done studies on twins as well correct yeah yeah what did you find with twins oh there's there's a there's a higher incidence of telepathy and twins as well and and that's something that's been you know there have been a lot of people like guy playfair who did research on twin telepathy and and one One of the things I was interested in are the twins who were raised apart.

3:31:17Are you familiar with those studies? No. Oh. So, there was this twin registry that had over 60 cases of these identical twins who were adopted to separate families because people didn't want to adopt both of them. So they had a registry of all these identical twins raised totally separately, oftentimes some of them in different countries, but totally different family backgrounds. And these scientists went and then looked them up years later and found all of these uncanny similarities in their lives. For example, many of them dressed exactly the same. When they were brought to one another to meet one another for the first time, they were wearing the same outfit.

3:32:15Are you serious? Yes. Yeah. You know, and they oftentimes named their dogs, had the same breed of dog, named them the same name. There are these twins called the Jim Twins who, they both drove the same car. They both had the impulse to build a circular white structure at the same time. They married women with the same name. I mean, so there's all of these cases of these individuals who are living like these parallel lives that are— They've never even known each other. They've never even known one another. And what's interesting from having known a lot of twins personally, identical twins personally, and even identical triplets.

3:33:19I mean, by the time I was in sixth grade, I already knew three sets of identical triplets I went to school with.

3:33:32And what you see in identicals is that there's more of – you have some identicals that just relish the – You know, they love the fact that they are identical twins, and they purposely dress alike, and they're very similar. And then you have these other twins who, it's like they're each wanting to carve out their own individuality, and so if anything, there's like more of a pressure to be different from one another. Okay. But when you have identical twins that are raised apart, they're no longer responding in relationship to the other twin in a direct sense. And so you've removed that variable that either makes them become exactly the same or makes them want to be different from one another.

3:34:25And then to see all of these commonalities between them pop up, I mean, it really, it makes you really wonder, you know, what is that telling us?

3:34:41I don't know. Yeah. What is it telling us? Yeah, yeah. And so it's as though their consciousness fields are still interconnected with one another, even though they've been apart. And whether or not it's that they're influencing one another or they're both operating out of the same kind of influences that predate anything, maybe in their epigenetics or who knows. But the parallels are too uncanny to ignore. In my book, The ESP Enigma, I have a whole chapter on twins where I talk about a lot of this data because it's absolutely fascinating. Yeah, I'll say. Yeah. I wanted to talk about ethical considerations for the future of AI and how this ties into that.

3:35:44Yeah. Could we dive into that a little bit? Sure. Well, I'd love to hear what your concerns are about AI. I mean, I certainly have my own concerns. Oh, I have lots of concerns. I think most of them are kind of conspiratorial. But I don't know, I don't understand how it would tie in with telepathy. How AI would? Yeah.

3:36:16Yeah, I think that was a question somebody else might have put out there. Well, let me just say this. If you think about what AI is doing, AI is taking all of this information that's on the internet, You know, and it has these algorithms it's operating under such that it can basically mimic human intelligence. I mean, that's been their goal is to see if they could pass the Turing test and basically mimic human intelligence such that you couldn't tell whether you were interacting with a human or not.

3:37:08And there's a lot of things about AI that really deeply concern me because, I mean, we're already seeing people get sucked into AI as though AI is this almost omniscient sort of entity. And that's giving that algorithm way too much power. And we know that AI can, you know, it's called hallucination. And, you know, people in the artificial intelligence world call it hallucination because AI will actually make stuff up. You really have to fact check a lot of what it gives you because it'll even make up references. So if you as a scientist are doing research, you know, give me a reference for this and that.

3:37:58You can't just trust that that reference really exists. I said, it'll actually make that stuff up. Somebody was trying to, you know, they said, oh, I'll create a short bio for you for somebody. And, you know, I have plenty of bios already. But anyway, this person said she'd create a short bio for me for somebody that wanted to bring me on as a speaker. And it said some stuff that wasn't true. It's just like, you know, even something like that where, you know, you can just online, you can find a bio. Lots of bios about me. So AI just can't be trusted in certain ways. And yet you see people even treating, there are people that are treating AI like it is a guru.

3:38:41You know, I think one of my concerns is you start to see that people are looking to AI for answers. And I'm not talking about answers to information like historic events or stuff like that. They are starting to use AI as a form of therapy. What should I do about the situation in my life with my husband? And then the AI will split out the answer. And so it's influencing people's emotional decisions. Exactly. Exactly. And I've heard that there have been people who've made some really bad choices as a result of, they've gone back and looked at their conversation with AI. and then, oh boy, you can see where this went south.

3:39:29And so absolutely, that's a concern. And so the problem with AI is it's just using algorithms based on language models, and there's no heart in it. And one of the things that telepathy shows us is, so telepathy is something that involves a mind-heart connection. That when there's a coherency between the mind and the heart, people have more of this ability to be knowing what the other person's thinking without having to express it through language. And so, to me, there are certain things that we as humans are capable of doing that AI will never, ever be capable of doing. One of the... AI cannot intuit things.

3:40:27It can come up with its best prediction based on mathematical models and et cetera, et cetera, but it really isn't good at predicting things that are not easily predictable because they They haven't already happened. And so a lot of autistic individuals, their behavior could not be predicted. A lot of things that are, as I said, intuitive cannot really be predicted. And so I think, and if you've got a very strongly developed intuition, that is superior. AI can be a tool just like the analytical mind can be a tool, but we need to put more of an emphasis on really, really developing our intuition and using it as more of the arbiter of what's true and what's not.

3:41:26It's about developing this discernment so that we can have a better compass and recognition of what's real and what's not. Because we're living in an information age that is full of misinformation. We've got all these narrative wars going on right now.

3:41:52We've got AI. that's giving too much power to something that's made by humans, but it doesn't have humanity. And so I think that we need to – it really behooves us to develop our strong gut and heart-based intuition that then guides us to navigate all of the – all that we're in. Because, yeah, there are a lot of dangers of AI. And part of why I have wanted to get this research about telepathy out there is that I want people to realize that we innately are capable of so much more. And I believe that we will always fall short in terms of what we invent. compared to the natural divine design of everything.

3:43:06I mean, the deeper I went into science, the more exquisite. It took my breath away. The more and more I saw how, wow. I mean, it's like the blueprint of life is just so amazing. And for us to think that we can muck around with it and improve upon it really concerns me. You know, I'm concerned by things like transhumanism. I'm concerned by things that are just assuming that something is superior to us and then is going to be taking humanity in a direction where we're not... Trying to overpower the laws of nature. Yeah, overpower the laws of nature. I mean, you know, a lot of the troubles that we have today in the world are because we thought that we could, you know, we saw nature as something that we needed to dominate and drive in the way that we wanted to drive it rather than how do we harmonize with it and how do we optimize it.

3:44:13Interesting. Well, Diane, I would love to go further. And this has been a fascinating discussion. I know you have a flight to catch. So we'll end it. I would love to have you back. Thank you. Love to be back. But I don't want you to miss your flight, so I'm going to end it. And I just want to wish you the best in your research and your studies. And I cannot wait to see you again. So thank you so much. All right. Thank you.

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