#248 Jon Delaney - Who's Protecting Jeffrey Epstein's Secrets?

33:11Their world has been flipped upside down. They don't know what to think. they are brainwashed and salvageable brainwashed voters right that's what that is that are that are incapable of absorbing another view exactly and that's why I tell people and I I hope you don't mind if I say this if you're listening to this and you lean left or right or middle or you watch let's say you watch CNN or you watch Fox News or you watch MSNBC because that's what you like and that's what you believe. Great. Good for you. Do me a favor. Take 30 minutes out of your day and go watch something completely counter opposite to that.

33:56Why? Because you need to challenge your thoughts. If you get stuck in an echo chamber, then you're basically being herded like sheep, right? So I have friends that lean left and right. I tell them all the time, go listen. I have a very liberal friend. She can't stand. I could just pull somebody younger, though. So I said, go listen to Benny Johnson for 30 minutes. I could never do that. Do it. Make sure you believe what you believe. I have another friend, super conservative. Go listen to those girls on MSNBC. Dude, I can't do it. Why? Just prove yourself that you're right. Prove that what you believe is what you believe.

34:44And a lot of people need to do that. You need to be diversifying your news sources. Because it's too, there's too much, unfortunately, there's too much noise in it today. You know, with this rise of independent media, and we'll get into this, there's a lot of activists masquerading as journalists. and you've got to now get out there and pick a handful of the ones you like and a handful of the ones you don't agree with because you'd be surprised when you get stuck in your echo chamber how much you're not hearing about other shit you know people will say all the time i had no idea about this oh maybe it's because you listen to cnn all their fox news you know they leave things out Remember, I told you they paint a picture.

35:33They might not include that stroke or that line. But it can be, you know, to their credit, and I'm dealing with this right now,

35:46it's not just mainstream media. It's also, we were just talking about independent. You know, it feels like, you know, the algorithm will put you in a cage. It's dangerous. It's a cage. and you can tell when you're in a cage when every other post is all the same subject. Right. And it's not just the same subject. It's a specific one-sided narrative about that subject. Right. And you are encapsulated inside of that algorithm. You cannot navigate your way out. It's immense control. And it's truly like, I don't even think people understand the scope of it. And it could be weaponized very easily. And we get some times, some people will say, you guys only post right-leaning stuff, or you only post left-leaning stuff.

36:41I'm like, no, we post both. It's just your algorithm is cooking it up to you the way that it wants you to see it. Go actually tap and read. Yeah. You know? And it's interesting. You're right. It's the algorithm has a play in it. There's a lot of things that. So how have you set your team up? How have you set your team up to be real news? No bullshit. We started with four. We're down to two plus me. And then I've got some part-time people, but I have two people that write for me that don't agree on anything. Nice. But you know what's special about those two people? while they don't agree on anything politically, one's got blue hair, and one's a super right-leaning guy.

37:29You know what I mean? Like, you would never, the stereotypes for both sides, that's what I have. And while they don't agree on anything, they're friends. And they can work together. So what I do is, I write a little bit, but they mostly write, and let's say, I have somebody write something. I don't want to name her, but let's say she writes something. I'll say, hey, now you write this. Go add your flavor to it, right? And then what I kind of do is I take both and I put it together. So I have two writers, myself, and then some people when we do our documentaries. But it's a tight ship, dude. I don't need a lot of people.

38:15Yeah. Don't need, you know. How do they find their information? They search the web. I mean, they read news like everybody else reads news. You know, obviously you can't just rely on AP or Reuters or whatever, but they'll go ahead and start looking into a topic, watching press conferences. You know, that's something that we do a lot. We're watching a lot of video all day. All these hearings, all these, you know, Everything that everybody else is absorbing, and then we're kind of observing then what the left and the right is saying. Or if it comes something international, maybe what the U.S. is saying, the prevailing argument, and then we'll go take what that country is saying or those people are saying.

39:03We kind of just, I kind of look at it as like a book report. It's very, and our stuff's very standardized. It's, we give you an intro sentence. We give you sometimes a paragraph about some shit you should know. We always say some shit you should know before you dig in. Just some really foundational information that brings somebody up to speed, and then it's just, here's what this guy said, here's what that guy said, and that's what's going on. It's not like a whole huge process on how we do this. Um... And because of that, you know, I figured, the less people you have in your bubble, the better.

39:42Mm-hmm. There's less drama, less bullshit. How do you keep... How do you keep them from putting their own spin on things? They all naturally have their biases. I think that's when I come in. Like, we're here right now, and there's no news being posted while this is being recorded. Why? Because I'm the final one who has a say on what goes up. That's a double-edged sword. See, like, that gives me a lot of influence over my people, because technically I'm dictating what my people are saying. But I have this view that both sides suck. This is a game, right? This is saying that they're two sides of the same coin.

40:25Very true. And I think that kind of gives me the ability, in a way, to just take the best arguments from these guys, the best arguments from these guys, and just put it together. But yeah, they do have their spins. Totally. But that's what's the beauty of having two people that don't agree on anything working for you. Because you get two really good arguments. How many times are you guys posting in a day? Depends. Four to six times a day. we got on instagram and then on our website doing like five to six articles a day i mean these these bigger news outlets they're doing 30 50. yeah but a lot of it i think is a lot of noise a lot of the how fast are you growing we're going pretty fast uh seems like it it's been it's technically since then to now we're almost at 1.6 million followers do you guys have newsletter by chance oh dude you need to start a newsletter really yes you need to start a newsletter we just all we do man is like i haven't really refined it because i just i uh i'm in a way i'm in a position where i just want my news to be accessible and um i didn't really get into this to make money.

41:50I genuinely wanted people to wake up. And I think as time has gone on, you know, we've just, we've built ourselves on Instagram, man. I haven't spent a dollar on marketing. Wow. Not a dollar. It's the name. Yeah. Which when I first started, a lot of people told me, you got to change the name. No one's going to take you seriously. I'm give a fuck. I don't give a fuck. Why? Why? It's just what it is. It's real news with no bullshit. Just, you take it. Let's talk about the double-edged sword of independent media. Yeah. I have a very interesting take about the rise of independent media. And to get to that, I think we got to step back just for a second and talk about how we got here.

42:50OK. I believe that the rise of independent, or what I like to call new media, began when it first, the first spark, I think, is when Donald Trump announced his run for president, his first time. And the word fake news kicked it off. That's from what I've... Now, I'm young, man. I'm not old. And so it could have been before that. Someone might listen to this and say, oh, it started way before. This is from my view.

43:28And when Trump became president, we had this war between Trump and the media. And I think whether you agreed with the media or you agreed with Trump, it was opening people's eyes to the possibility that maybe some people are biased. I grew up watching CNN when I was a little kid. When I was six, seven years old, that was my thing. I loved watching CNN and stuff like that. And I never noticed that they had a biased until Trump announced his presidency. It was obvious. And I also, at the time, I was so young, I didn't realize Fox News had a bias that was pro-Republican. But as you get older, you start figuring those things out.

44:11But when Trump ran, it was crystal clear that there was this rise of clear bias in media. And that, along with him battling the media throughout his presidency, started leading to people looking for alternate sources. But what truly lit the fire was COVID.

44:37I believe that when COVID kicked off, there was an active effort to suppress information that was valid. And I'm not going to get into, I know there's a lot of people that have a lot of different views. Here's one fact that I point to. We got penalized by Meta and almost lost our account for talking about the Wuhan lab leak theory. Was it two months after Biden came into office? Almost lost our account. Okay. Now I believe it's today that with low confidence the CIA says that it could have been a lab leak. You know? information changes but you know the mainstream media at the time wasn't talking about that that was a conspiracy theory yep right you never saw that shit anywhere and so that's one example out of many where i think people really started opening their eyes in their life why do you think they covered that up why do you think that was the forbidden fruit that you're not allowed to talk about the Wuhan lab.

45:52Yeah. What, what, what, what, what is it about the Wuhan? What, why don't they want that coming out? I mean, your guess would be as good as mine, but I would personally think that if the public had an idea that China was making biological weapons, right? Because that was the whole idea they were working on this this uh whatever um that would maybe freak people out that's that's that's a reality i don't want to live in where we have foreign governments making bioweapons there's there's always been foreign governments making bioweapons right but i think i think i think i mean syria's been gassing its own people for right ever right i mean And it could be something like that.

46:43It could be, I mean, what? Is the public going to demand that the United States do something? What does that response look like? At the time, too, something really interesting. Maybe it could be this, you know, just coming to my thoughts. When COVID kicked off, where were we getting all of our shit? All of our PPE stuff. China. So can we talk shit about China when we need all that shit? Can we? I don't think so. Look what's going on right now with China. As we're sitting here talking, they have a monopoly on rare earth materials that we use to make missiles, to airplanes, to the shit in your phone, right?

47:26And they're putting export restrictions on that stuff. What do you think China would have done if we came out off the bat and said, you fuckers leaked it out of a lab. fuck you now let me buy five billion masks from you what are they gonna say they're gonna tell you to go kick rocks i mean it's or are they gonna just take the money and keep doing business i don't know but i mean your guess is as good as mine it could be anything um you know there's there's a prevailing theory that china that was being pushed in china that and I've seen this theory, I haven't looked into it, that it leaked out of some U.S.

48:09facility. Have you heard that? University of North Carolina? Yeah, I haven't done my research on it, but I was like, oh, that's really interesting, because we're saying it leaked out of Wuhan. They're now saying their conspiracy theory, quote-unquote, is it's coming out of some place in North Carolina or wherever. You know, so it's, I don't know. Yeah, I've heard that theory. I mean, I don't know. I think China has got us cornered in a lot of different ways. And, you know, I don't think they necessarily need a reason to pull the plug on us. Do you think Americans realize that? I think that a lot of them do now.

48:46I tend to think that Americans have no idea at the level China's at right now. I think the listeners of this show have an idea. But, you know, and I think that they, I think that people are waking up to it. I mean, you know, 20, was it 2020? Yeah, the 2020 election, you know, it was also, it was also, you know, leading up to it, it was, you know,

49:16xenophobe, you know, all in the debates. You weren't allowed to say it. It would correct. It would correct. Yeah. You know what I mean? it would correct whoever was talking about it and paint them out to be some some mass racist you know against against china when we're just having you know fucking discussion but right and that's how it should be you should just let people talk afterwards you know right after the election you started seeing you know um um democrats started taking china more seriously it was almost like if he has not been listening to the president for the past four years he's been talking about this non-stop then he was labeled xenophobe then the next guy comes in office who's on the other side and all of a sudden everybody starts taking the seriously and um yeah yeah i look at it really interestingly i think we're we're seeing right now we're in some scary times and I don't think people realize it.

50:20You've got a Western rules-based order and you've got an Eastern rules-based order that is now wanting to come up. I tell people, you know, when I started giving the news to my friends, I always would break it down into analogies because I feel like I had to get them to understand a little better. And it's, the United States has undoubtedly been the only chef in the kitchen for a long time. And what we're seeing now is China saying, hey, we want to cook too. The question is, is what are we going to do? Are we going to allow them to cook or are we not? And I would argue that based on everything that's going on right now, the U.S.

51:01isn't willing to give that up. And that can lead to some scary shit. And, I mean, dude, look at what's going on right now. I mean, China is... They're building up, man. It's not even... They used to say that we would always be ahead. Now I keep hearing they'll be caught up to us in five years. Trump just said it a couple days ago. So it's inevitable? I don't know. It's coming, though. And that's scary. Right now in space, something I've been watching a lot, it's not getting a lot of attention. You know, they got satellites in space stalking all of our satellites. Stalking is the words they use.

51:47I have assumed that. I did not know that. They've admitted it. Top generals that we have Russian and Chinese satellites following our satellites every movement. And you know what that tells me? Is this world might not be as stable as we really think it is. And that's a hard pill for a lot of people to swallow. I live every moment of my life now because the next 10 minutes isn't guaranteed. That's scary to hear. But when you see shit like that, nobody trusts anybody. Yeah. Nobody. Yeah. And I look at the news, look at what's going on. I mean, it's fucked. It is. and it's

52:44I don't know I mean it's sad it's sad what are the pros let's get to the let's get to get back to independent media I mean what do you think the pros of independent media are look I think I think it's important to have alternate sources of information that aren't controlled by, like, the big five. What I mean by the big five is there is media, like Disney owns certain news outlets, Comcast owns news outlets. They're all under their umbrella. Salem Media, which I don't even know if it's possible to show you, they're one of the biggest in the country. Nobody really talks about them. Have you seen that video where all the reporters are saying the same shit at the same time?

53:36About 100 times. Yeah, that should scare the shit out of people, right? I hope you can show that. That is why independent media is important. That video is the perfect example for it. Because everybody's reading off of a script, and that's being disseminated across America. Back to your original person's question, there's propaganda, that's propaganda. you know that's like some soviet level shit happening in america um so the pros of it obviously we have just an independent uh not controlled by a certain entity being able to give out news but so you get that you get analysis you get different things and you can kind of bend rules a little bit.

54:30When I say bend rules, maybe it's not the etiquette to be a regular journalist and follow certain rules or have to do this or that.

54:46So there's some bending that I think can maybe lend a better picture for people. But I also think that there are a lot of cons with it. What are the cons?

55:02It's interesting coming from me because you would think I would think this is great. But there are a lot of people in this space right now motivated by money. Yeah.

55:17Because everybody's in it to collect a check.

55:24If you open up wherever you get your news right now, let's focus on an independent creator.

55:34They're all activists. I have not to this day. Actually, there's one person I've found. But everybody is basically these new independent creators or news journals or whatever, they're just, they're mini CNNs. They're mini Fox news. They're activists. They're not journalists. And they're towing their party lines. And I can give you some examples off the bat that go both sides of this. When President Biden was in office, fact, he relied on influencers to push the Inflation Reduction Act, brought them to the White House, right? They made some chick that hides under a desk. I don't know if you've seen her on TikTok talking about how great the Inflation Reduction Act is.

56:23I wonder if she was paid. Another one, recently, we got a ping pong, right? The, uh, all the journalists who got invited to the White House to parade the Epstein file. What a fucking disaster that was. Fucking disaster. holding that shit up like it's a trophy yeah and what did we get nothing what a shit show that is yeah it continues to be a shit show every day man and it's bad it's bad dude you know what worries me about independent media in in mainstream is is you know you're right everybody's you know everybody's driven by money to some extent right yeah but you see like Like, people will go down rabbit holes, and you don't see them come out of certain rabbit holes.

57:18And then it becomes the thing, and they can't leave it. You know, they can't. The drug. Yep. It's what the audience expects from them. I don't know what happens, because I like to keep it. You know, we'll hit a subject, and then we'll hit a totally different subject. You know what I mean? i don't dwell in the same in the same subject matter for long i like to bounce around because because every subject can become the one thing that you're known for yeah you know and and you see that with a lot of different subjects right now you see it with kobe you see it with jan six you see it with israel you see it with china you see it with you see it with blm antifa any any any You see it, and then it's bam, bam.

58:06That's all we talk about is that one thing, that one thing. And then you've got to start getting creative to pump out new content, and you've got to start. You know where I'm going. Eventually, the facts run out, or you never run into the facts. So then it starts theory, and then conspiracy, and then. And conspiracy makes money. Yep. That's the issue. It goes back to what I was saying. There are a lot of people in the space chasing a check. And there's a lot of money in here. OK? I've been lucky enough in my life that I've always been doing different stunts and entrepreneurial shit. And I used to chase money when I was growing up.

58:51And once you kind of start getting some of it and doing some things, I've had some successes here and there. That doesn't motivate you anymore. So for me, I don't really give a shit. I really don't. I mean, I don't want to be losing, but a lot of these people that are in here, they don't have that. They don't have maybe another nest to go to. And so what do you got to do to make money? How do you make money as an independent news creator? Two ways. You either sell subscriptions or you sell your soul. That's it. We went the subscription route. We have people that subscribe to us that pay for a little extra news, but the other way to do it is you sell sponsorships.

59:39Now, some sponsorships can be great because they don't influence what you're talking about. Mm-hmm. But a lot of it isn't. A lot of it is people that are getting paid right now, Sean. This is a real thing, and I can show you, where people are being paid to talk about news. Oh, yeah, we've seen it. We've seen it. There's a perfect example. You, before we dive into this, before we dive into this, because we're going to spend a lot of time here, let's take a little break.

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1:03:17866-781-8900. That's 866-781-8900. Or AmericanFinancing.net slash SRS. all right john we're back from the break we're getting ready to talk about all these influencers taking payments for different narratives we've seen a lot of this in the media lately yeah so let's start domestically first domestic influence first and then we'll get into the foreign shit right on um and i want to be clear like i've i've got one example that's going to lean more to the right but it's on both sides i'm just picking the most recent example to give you. But there's a company called Influencible. Influencible. Influencible.

1:04:07And they're basically like a marketing company that goes out there and tries to create noise for marketing campaigns. And they're getting a lot of shit online because they've been involved in political campaigns, campaigns to drive policy and whatnot so this is influenceable and how are they reaching out to people is it email is it social so so i'm going to show you some stuff that i pulled this is to give you some background x is a cesspool of a lot of people who think they're um how do i say this resident expert they yeah they're armchair quarterbacks that don't know shit and i and And you know, it's funny, I listen to a lot of them.

1:04:55What's X Spaces? I'm an X Space fiend. I love listening to these guys pontificate bullshit, and I'm sitting there fact checking them just as they're talking, and they're all full of shit. But with that, there's this rivalry among some of them. They don't like, I might not like you because you're taking away from my audience. There's a lot of that shit. So this came out on X, this got aired out like laundry. this company called Influencible, allegedly, I want to be really clear. Allegedly. Yeah, if you guys are coming to sue me, allegedly, and this is all on X, they pushed a campaign allegedly that was trying to convince people to not allow the government to overregulate and get involved in where people were buying soda with, with, let me read it exactly.

1:05:51This campaign highlights the dangers of government over-regulation, with a specific focus on current efforts to restrict soda purchases through food aid programs. So do you remember when RFK was pushing to stop using SNAP benefits to purchase the ice cream, soda, all that shit? So this is actually, this is one of these conservative news influencers, aired out everybody's dirty laundry and called everybody out. I think, personally, I think he's just as guilty. But another thing. Called him out for what? A lot of these news accounts, they were more right-leaning, started posting on X. I'll start giving them to you.

1:06:38Sorry. Read this. I'll just give you both. Read both. Those are just two examples. All right. All right. So this, all right. So you want me to read these? Yeah, I mean, why not? So this is Eric Doherty. Important. We cannot allow Make America Healthy Again messaging to be used to force needy Americans into not buying certain things. Some officials in D.C. are working on trying to prevent Americans on snap from using those benefits to purchase any soda. Remember, when New York City Democrats tried to prevent people from buying and consuming soda, it backfired big time. President Trump literally has a Diet Coke button in his Oval Office.

1:07:25Let people think and decide for themselves anyone can consume soda and be perfectly fine in moderation. Unless we're just going to ban every food with sugar in it for snap Americans. uh this is another account one of the most popular accounts on x not jerome powell yeah government overreach strikes again this time it's soda's turn they want to they want to restrict soda purchases through snap this time this is an unwarranted attempt by the government to dictate what americans can or cannot consume which is an overextension of government power in a violation of personal choice. Even President Trump likes to drink his Diet Coke on a daily basis.

1:08:09The government needs to stop over-regulating what Americans can or cannot do. Can I read the initial? Yeah. So this is from? That was the initial campaign that was allegedly sent out. And this guy named Nick Sorter, which I've got my opinions on him, I can give you later, but he aired all this out, saying, look at all these guys in my realm that are doing this campaign and that are pushing the same messaging because that's when RFK was talking about potentially trying to restrict SNAP benefits to purchase soda and other shit. And then all of a sudden, you have all these accounts. And what's, if you compare both messages, what's something that they will talk about?

1:08:54Trump, Diet Coke, Trump, Diet Coke. It's... Let me just read this real quick. So this is allegedly the what? That's allegedly the pitch that was given to all these influencers. Okay. Soda bans and government overregulation. Objective. This campaign highlights the dangers of government overregulation with a specific focus on current efforts to restrict soda purchases through food aid programs. The narrative emphasizes how such regulation is an overreach that unfairly targets consumer choice, especially considering the president himself is a Diet Coke enthusiast. Key Messaging Government overreach.

1:09:35Efforts to restrict soda purchases through SNAP are an unwarranted attempt by government to dictate what Americans can or cannot consume, which is an overextension of government power and a violation of personal choice. Personal choice and freedom. The right to make personal food and drink choices should not be restricted by government bureaucracy. Consumers, especially those relying on SNAP, deserve autonomy in their purchasing decisions. Economic concerns. Limiting soda purchase will likely harm beverage companies, retailers, and food suppliers, especially those who cater to low-income Americans by relying on SNAP benefits.

1:10:17Trump's preference for Diet Coke. Trump himself regularly enjoys Diet Coke, can be used to highlight the ridiculousness of these regulations. So pause for a second. The fact that those two tweets are literally hitting the point on that document to a T. And here's the problem. None of these people disclosed that they got paid. And this is this is the instruction. I wanted to say one more thing that I find interesting here. Then it gives you key resources. These look like links that you can download images or maybe some tours of video. So it says key resources, and we'll post this up so people can see it.

1:10:57Another war on soda, how bureaucratic overreach threatens Trump's working class coalition. And then another link, Trump with Diet Coke image. So. Come on, dude. Two key. And then here's the instructions on how they would submit their work at the end. Oh, it's submittable. Okay. Well, how they go to get paid, essentially. Okay. If you submit posts after the campaign deadline, it will still count as a missed deliverable. Missed deliverables are deducted from your base pay. It is very important we have all deliverables so we can utilize this in our campaign overview. And then, yeah, it just has a bunch more points.

1:11:36All posts must show likes. Do not hide likes. If these are hidden, you will only get paid 50 % of your offer. Pages must be sent to public. We cannot compensate for posts on private pages. yeah it's all uh typical typical ad campaign guidelines basically is you know this is right ad campaign guidelines but they're pushing these are news influencers who consider them independent that's not independent you're owned your own so where where where are these coming in from are these from email i mean i'm curious so we they come from email by the way thank you Here's the kid, like Eric Daughtry kid. After he got called out, he admitted he got paid.

1:12:23That's the tweet. Eric Daughtry. This is the guy. Oh, this is this dude. This is the same guy. So I just read. That's how he acknowledged he got paid. Yeah, that was dumb of me. Oh, wait a minute. So Nick Sorter exposes him. Exposed. Influencible. The company cutting big checks to influencers on behalf of Big Soda. Over the past 48 hours, several large, supposedly MAGA-aligned influencers posted almost identical talking points, fed to them, convincing you Maha was, it says show more, it's got Clown World, it's got our Eric Doherty here. And then Eric responds, yes, that was dumb of me, massive egg on my face.

1:13:12In all seriousness, it won't happen again. Wow. Good job. Good job, buddy. And that's just one. So this is going on also. These are what these offers look like. This is a guy who exposed one of these offers. They offer you$50 to talk about whatever the topic is. Okay. So this is, yeah, the name's been redacted here. Blank is still under attack by the Republican establishment and the Democrats, another blank, is a patriot and spent his career fighting for America first values and law and order. Now it's time we return the favor. Offer$50 deliverables. One original tweet on this issue. Messaging.

1:14:00Then there's a link. Timeline ASAP by end of day Wednesday, July 26th. Submit after completing the deliverables. Here's the form. So the thing is, you know, this is actually, I mean, I don't know if we have any of these. I think when we take another break, I'll get the emails from you and I'll just have our, my people dig in. I haven't had, I want to be clear. I haven't had Influencible contacts me, but because it looks like they're targeting people on the right. Now, with that being said, I just gave you one example. This happens on the left too. Okay. So I don't want people to think I'm just going after the right.

1:14:42But this is happening on a large scale. And I think they're really going for people that are loud and noisy to their basis. I mean, I don't think this is a, this isn't a new thing. And I think it's not a new thing. People don't, I think people think it. I mean, look, we saw what Beyonce took a big check from Kamala when supposedly she didn't during, you know, the election race. And I mean, this stuff is happening all over, you know, but I don't think people realize that it's happening for$50. But it's not even that, Sean. The problem is, is this. Beyonce taking a check from Kamala. Is it bad? Yeah.

1:15:25Is it wrong? Yeah. But is Beyonce pushing news and calling herself an independent journalist? No. So when these people who give shit all day to the mainstream media, which sometimes it's rightfully deserved, and claim to be the new media, and are fighting the corrupt bullshit from the mainstream media, are then selling their asses for a couple hundred dollars, Yeah. What are they? They're just as bad. Yeah. If not, I would say even worse. And you know what makes me wonder? Can you imagine maybe, and I don't have proof, but like, has the mainstream media been getting offers like this for a long time?

1:16:11Maybe from big pharma? Maybe from other companies? Yeah. You know? I don't know. I mean, I think it's pretty obvious. Yeah. Yeah, but my point is, is like, this is what's happening, and there's influence that's being bought. And a lot of people in this space are just, they're chasing the check. I was telling your producer, I'm in a position where I don't have to chase a check. Okay? That's rare, I think, in this field, because it's hard to make money, dude. It's not easy. I mean, starting a news outlet, But a lot of people might think we get paid from Instagram. I haven't gotten a cent. Okay? Instagram doesn't pay me shit.

1:16:55I only get paid if people go subscribe to us. Those people are taking the deals because they don't have subscribers. And I get it. They got to make money. I'm just curious. I have not checked out your website. I should have checked that out. I see you on the gram. Whoever is behind there, I message back and forth with them. I'll bet you. We shoot the shit, yeah. But, I mean, I'm just curious. What do your subscribers get? They're essentially paying for double the news. Okay. So what we tell people is this, like, look, we can't do this for free. I have people to pay. And, you know, so I have to give them something.

1:17:39So what I give them is a little more news as a thank you. Gotcha. But, you know, Sean, my goal is one day, I hope, that I can get this to a level... And I haven't figured out how I would fund it. But I don't think people should have to pay for news. Which is contrary to what I'm doing right now. I think information should be as openly available as possible. But I'm in a position right now where, without the subscription... I got a great idea. I've heard Israel and Qatar pay. And$7 ,000 a post to talk about whatever bullshit they want in the media right now. Yeah, it's, I'd be the first one to tell you I haven't gotten an offer from Israel.

1:18:25And China. We're going to get into that, yeah. And Russia. Yeah, so the thing is, is this. And the Democrats. They're all doing it. And you know, the thing is, is this, Sean, this isn't a regulated space. And listen, I'm one of the first people to tell you, I hate when the government comes in. and starts fucking with things. Because I have this view that usually when they try to help you, while they're helping you, they're stabbing you in the neck and something else is going to happen. The question is, how are we going to regulate this? And listen, I spend a lot of nights, man. I go out every night.

1:19:01I sit in my jacuzzi and just look up at the stars and think about the world. I've spent so many days trying to figure out, how do we fix this without them going overboard well let's go let's go through the rest of the yeah let's go through the last of the influence and then we'll come up with let's get into some foreign stuff some foreign influence dude this is really bothering me this foreign influence shit it's bad with middle eastern countries yeah israel qatar saudi china russia like everybody They're weaponizing. What is going on? Yeah. What is going on? So today I'm coming here and part of the thing we're going to talk about, I have been contacted by foreign governments either directly or indirectly to do news stories in their countries or to post news like how those guys were, right?

1:20:02but either about topics in their countries or them just wanting to for us to go to their country and show something to our audience oh yeah we've had that too we've had yeah see i'm sure you have you know what you know what's interesting though is and i'm just we tried to get the pm of of cutter really hard like we we were talking to them we were in there they weren't going to pay us i wouldn't take payment anyways right but they wouldn't let us do it we tried to sync it up with when we went to taiwan we thought it'd be a great you know pit stop on the way home hit hit hit cutter but they didn't go for it why do they tell you why or they just didn't respond i can't I can't remember.

1:20:50It was, you know, it was. So there's four. We've had foreign governments literally reach out to us. Like when I say reach out to us, I there's one I'm going to show you an example of today. And then there's one that we'll get into. This was a DM we got on Instagram from the UK government. Do you mind if I read it? Read the whole thing. UK home office. Hi, team. Hope you're well. The Home Office are currently looking to partner with trusted outlets and pages such as yourselves to increase awareness around the vital work the government and law enforcement are undertaking to keep the public safe from crime.

1:21:30This is the UK. As a result, we're looking to explore new collaborative opportunities to create authentic digital content with partners. If you feel appropriate, it would be great to discuss this in further detail over email or call you or call if you're able to provide the best point of contact. Many thanks, Fatma, social media team and home office. So that was a DM, right? And I couldn't believe how brazy that was. I'm like, they literally DM me off of the UK home office's Instagram. That's crazy. So I told Trey, who works for me, I said, Trey, I can't believe this. Just entertain it. Get it in an email.

1:22:15I want to know more. So Trey, being the wizard he is, right, he starts contacting her, and we got her to an email. This is her.gov.uk email. I can't wait to read this shit. UK, where people are getting their heads cut off with steak knives on bridges. Hey, Trey. This is Fat Mom following up on the chat on Instagram. You've asked for more information on what our collab could look like. We basically work in different policy areas with topics you might be interested in talking about. These include crime and policing, migration, homeland security, and tackling violence against women and girls. Oh, because this must have been right after that one.

1:22:59So pause. This is the biggest issues in the UK right now that people are pissed about, that there's a lot of division over migration, illegal migration, violence against women. Those protests have been all cooking over this, and also the crime. So what's interesting is this woman - Let me - can I finish reading this? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Go, go. I've outlined below what we would be able to give you access to and more broadly what working together could look like.

1:23:38Ministerial access. Exclusive interviews and sit-downs with our ministers. Exclusive clips. Home office. Digital lobby. Offer you embargoed press notices. Operational footage. Exclusive digital clips. A chance to cover a home office breaking story as news breaks. access to trusted voices we could potentially look at setting up exclusive interviews with trusted voices we regular we regularly take media on operational opportunities to cover a breaking story for example this includes immigration enforcement raids illegal working police raids case studies and influencers offer access to influencers we work with in our policy areas or be a part of our work with them offer access to case studies this also is a non this also not an exhaustive list we're always looking for new opportunities to collaborate let me know if you have any questions do they offer you any money we didn't get that far that was the last email.

1:24:46I just wanted it on email. OK. But my brother, who works for me, and I don't know, they said that they have a screen they could put it up. He did some digging. So it turns out that lady, Fatima, works for a migration organization that promotes people migrating. And she wants, I don't know if, do you have a screen? Is that a thing? Yeah, they'll throw it up. I could find it, but essentially, actually, I'd like to read it to you. So she works for a company apparently called Migration Jam. And Migration Jam is a migrant-led collective utilizing the power of ethical storytelling and intercommunicable dialogue to counter the mainstream negative narratives about migrants and refugees.

1:25:41She also works for the UK government. Okay. That's her. That's on Google. You can go look her up. And it says that she's a Yemeni entrepreneur, whatever. My point is this. She's contacting us to potentially go to the UK to do a story. Okay. Some people might not have a concern about that. I think that's morally wrong for a foreign government, whether it's an ally or an adversary, to reach out to a news outlet and not only say, we want you to come here and do a story, but here's the topics we think you should talk about, which are the big issues right now in the UK that are being talked about in the US right now.

1:26:35you have to ask yourself why would the uk want to target an instagram account that's us-based that has almost 1.6 million followers to talk about the uk's problems it is interesting isn't it why do they give a about the near i mean are those you know maybe a little out of scope here but i mean i don't see much pushback from the citizens of uk do you i have there's there's been with protests have you seen the protests they're getting i didn't see one protest i can't remember what it was about there's people getting pissed off there i mean we had this guy this totally uh i wouldn't say it's irrelevant but just an example we had this guy jay cowan they are basically he he was an sas guy over there they're like charging him with fucking murder or some shit like that from like past war crimes ridiculous we met him in dubai and um and got his story out and and And they're railroading these guys.

1:27:36So here's the gist of it. Obviously, the Muslim demographic in the UK has risen exponentially, correct? I think everybody pretty much knows that. Now what's happening is they are trying their military members, and more specifically, they're special operations guys for war crimes against Muslims. But it's just the shit that they asked their guys to do. And now they're prosecuting them or they're trying to prosecute. For orders they were given? Yes. Yes. And you know what? So we did this and this has happened in all kinds of guys. None of these guys want to fucking speak up. To be honest with you, I almost didn't do this interview because these guys don't want to talk.

1:28:30So we had to have a long talk with Jay and say, hey, like, you're going to have to, like, get articulate here and be specific on what's going on. None of this, you know, vagueness. And he promised we would do it. So he did it. you know i've not seen one fucking sas guy stand up for this dude not fucking one and i've talked to several of them and they all tell me oh yeah that's fucked up what's going on i can't believe this shit this is happening to everybody so it's not like he's like you know a turd and nobody wants to help him they are too fucking scared to speak up for their own rights and their own freedom it's it's it's in these in these fucking pains me to say these are the these are the most badass people that the uk has to offer it's their sbs sas and they'll dm you and they'll tell you how fucked up it is that they're doing it what they're doing to jay but they won't say a fucking word in public yeah so what i mean what hope do they have and these are fucking tier one operators scared toughest to back their own fucking guy they're you know what their motto is he who dares wins wow what a fucking joke that is it's that powerful the institution there is that powerful yeah and i mean look i personally me if not one fucking guy yeah not one fucking guy came out and spoke on his behalf said anything nothing not a peep so what hope do they have tells you how it is none I have no hope yeah what are they gonna do

1:30:27the most violent badass individuals that you have in your entire country are too fucking scared to speak up for their own what what that's not how you create change no it's sad um

1:30:46sorry to interrupt no no it's good that you said that but like so this is some people might watch this and say well this is a an ally that's just wanting to do this i don't give a this is totally unacceptable let me tell you something if it's okay for them to do it is it okay for china to do it is it okay for russia to do it is it okay for qatar to do it is it okay for israel to do it why do you think why i mean just uk specifically why do you think they give a shit i mean their citizens aren't rising up maybe okay they did a protest there's i wouldn't say they're rising up, but there is definitely right now a wave being created because there are some people that are pissed off, and there are some protests that are getting bigger, and there is...

1:31:39There's a big push around Nigel Farage. That'd be an interesting person for you to talk to, actually. There's this... There's people in the UK that aren't happy. People are getting locked up. Have you heard about... And I'm not well versed in it, but there's this big online debate that the UK is now arresting people for speech. Oh, yeah. I've seen tons of stuff about it. There was a comedian that got arrested and tied up in it. And Joe Rogan was speaking pretty passionately about it. I think what they're arresting them for is inciting violence. I think that's the terminology. That's dangerous.

1:32:17That's a dangerous road you're going down. And going back to that email, it's very interesting how they were very specific about certain topics that are big issues in the UK right now, and they want to portray it to Americans. The question is, like you said, why do they want Americans to know? Why do they care? Why do they care what we think? Interesting. There's been people in the US that have been openly talking about the problems in the UK. Elon Musk has brought it up a couple times. Donald Trump's been asked about it with Keir Starmer, the prime minister, next to him, and he says, well, we'll have to look into that, or I hope that's not true.

1:33:00So it's coming up. So I would assume they're trying to somehow control the narrative in the US to pipe it down, maybe, or to show that it's not as bad as it's being portrayed. I don't know. What do you think the motivation is, though? what i mean they have no problem talking about the u.s pretty much non-stop i mean you go to europe they all hate us you know not all of them but a lot of them you know they can't stand us so what do they give a your your guess is as good as mine i mean i'm not going to tell you what i because i don't know and maybe maybe she can come on and tell you it'd be great if they'd show up well we got her email now yeah now ask her and this is going to start a lot of shit, man.

1:33:46I haven't been to London yet. I wanted to go to London and walk around. That's gone. But I don't know. I don't know why. But take that example, and let me give you some others that I've dealt with, too. Oh, I'd love to hear this. Now, these ones I can't show you, and I'll explain to you why. This was a direct reach out by the UK government. At the end of her email, she says, I can't share it. If she wants to sue me, let's go. the UK government's going to sue me. That's a badge of honor for me. Okay. So fuck it. Come get me. The other ones that we've had reach out to us, they come not through the government directly, but what they do is they use US-based influencer marketing companies.

1:34:33Like for example, Influencible. I'm not saying, I want to be really clear. I'm not saying that that's happening with them, but a company like that, that has these online campaigns, this is going to blow your mind. Last, around December of last year, we got contacted by a US-based influence marketing company that offered us$25 ,000 and the potential to make up to$40 ,000 to do a story. First, they said it's in a country. Very broad. They said it would be - We're in a country? Yeah, no shit. Yeah. It's a story in a foreign country. You would get$25 ,000 to go. They cover your flights. There was a stipend related to hotels.

1:35:27You know, it was very... And the topics that were going to be discussed, you would talk about infrastructure of this place. You would talk about daily life. And you would talk about, you know, just the history of where you were going. I said, sounds interesting. $25 ,000. Where the fuck is this? You have to sign this NDA. You have to sign an NDA before they even... That's how these guys. Well, you sign two NDAs. The first NDA you sign is to even talk to them, okay, because they don't want to be exposed. And then they say, if you're interested in this, we'd have to disclose to you some information, sign this too.

1:36:13So I signed two. I'm going to break one of them here, but I can't break who the U.S.-based company is because I know they'll sue me. We got contacted by the Communist Youth League of China. The Communist Youth League of China. Yes. That's what we were told who they were. Okay. Now, what is that? It's very interesting. And to this day, Sean, it doesn't even make sense to me. Because how I understand what the Communist Youth League of China is, is it's a... it's like an incubator to create new Chinese leaders in China. So it's very bizarre to me that that's who they said this was for. But this influence marketing company said, long story short, we want you to go to China, specific city, I can't even pronounce it right, it's like Chongqing, China.

1:37:09Okay. Go there and let's, you're going to talk about infrastructure, you're going to talk about daily life in China, and you're going to give some history about China. $25 ,000 to go, up to$40 ,000 based on the views that you generate from your content. So here's the thing, two things. I would never go to China because you said you followed us during COVID. You probably remember we were posting all the videos out of China when they were locking people down. I have a feeling if I arrived in China, the second I get off that plane, I'm going to be in some shit. Seriously. And I'm confident that they've.

1:37:46This is a great ransom tool also, by the way. A great scam. If you can get fucking influencers to do this shit for 50 bucks like that one email I just read. I mean. 25 ,000. Great wave. Human trafficking. Done. Easy. Easy lure. Exactly. So. And like I told you, I'm not motivated by money. But this was so mind blowing to me. I wanted to know more. So I entertained it a little bit. And it came down to the point where this marketing agency that's based in the U.S. was like, you guys need to make a move on this now because there's a lot of people that are getting this offer, and you either go or you don't.

1:38:26And I said, no, fuck you. I'm not doing this. Everybody that's watching this, go on Instagram right now and type in ChongqingChina. Do you know how to spell it? I don't, but I think I have it saved in my notes.

1:38:48Yeah, I realize why you can't just say it, but it is. It is. Just type it in, and you see it right off the bat. There are shitloads, Sean, of videos talking about the infrastructure in Chongqing, China, or however the fuck you say it. And I want to be very clear. This is from my lawyer. I can't prove these people took that deal. But everything a lot of them talk about is what I was told to talk about. And it makes me wonder. There's a couple questions to that. why does the chinese government want people in america to know about a city why do they want people to know about this the chinese infrastructure why do they want people to know about daily life in this city your guess is as good as mine but they need chinese sympathizers inside this country that's That's why.

1:40:03Or are they trying to tell people that what you've been told about China and America is not true? For example, something that I noticed, like we have on our Instagram, our comment section is pretty notorious. I don't know if you ever read our comments, but they're fucking hilarious. Great shout outs to the comment section. But there are, sometimes when we're talking about China, something that I constantly see, and I'm not going saying it's true or not true, is people will downplay China's advancements. That Chinese jet is shit. It's a copy of an American one, or they make shit, or this and that.

1:40:44And I've been thinking about this. Why did they want this? And maybe what they're trying to do is they're trying to get at that narrative that everything in China is just a ripoff of the U.S. and it's shit. China makes shitty products. You know, they're... And these videos of this city will blow your mind. I don't know any American city that looks like it. They got fucking... One of the guys. They got fucking trains going through buildings, and roads are moving, and the infrastructure looks crazy, and... I don't know what... But I don't know the reason why they want that. Why they want Americans to see that.

1:41:19And what scares me more, Sean, I've given you two examples of foreign governments coming to me either directly or indirectly. What else are they doing? What else are they doing to other news influencers? What are they pushing? There was another perfect example, Tenet Media. Did you ever hear about that? No, I don't think so. Just to synopsize it really quick, under Biden's DOJ, they busted this company that that was paying influencers to push pro-Russian talking points about the war in Ukraine. Paying people millions of dollars. Millions. But same thing, what did Russia do? Did Russia go straight to the influencer?

1:42:03No. They used these... Marketing... ...US-based brokers that are the in-between, and they're going... I think the case is still going on. The chick who's in it, she's fucked. And she was in on it, allegedly. I mean, it hasn't been proven yet. But, and they were paying these influencers millions of dollars. Now, to these influencers, like, Tim Pool was named in it, Benny Johnson was tied up. Oh, I do remember this now. I do remember this. So listen, though. To their argument, they're saying, well, we didn't know that the Russian government was doing this to us. If you believe that, which maybe that's true, maybe it's not true, it could make sense that they wouldn't know.

1:42:46Because why would the Russian government, you were in the CIA, why would the Russian government want influencers to know that they're being paid by them to talk shit on Ukraine? These guys are already so loud. They can't keep their mouths shut. Right? So I actually would maybe believe it, that they had no idea. And none of them were actually charged under Biden's DOJ. Yeah. So there's that. There's also, there's talk. I haven't seen it directly to me yet. There's a lot of in the news that Israel is paying influencers. I do know that it's a fact that one of Donald Trump's former campaign advisors is listed now as a foreign agent on Farah.

1:43:35And he is working with Israel to, and this is all, oh, you can Google it and read about it, to change the narrative about Israel online, and they're paying influencers. Now, there's talk. It's$7 ,000. You've probably heard it. I haven't seen the$7 ,000. I would be happy to show you today if I got it. But I do know that they're paying influencers to push back on rhetoric related to the war in Gaza and Israel's image. and this gets to really the crux of the problem, this shouldn't be allowed. Okay? And it gets back to what I was saying. If the rise of independent media is supposed to not be what the mainstream media is, then we're all doing an awful job.

1:44:29Because I would argue, Sean, that this is worse. Mm-hmm. And what scares me is that, you know, look, The only way this country is going to fall is one of two ways. OK? Where they're going to fall because of a nuclear apocalypse that's going to kill us all or from within. Mm-hmm. And if these people can weaponize, influence, and create division, right, and are trying to shift narratives and opinions, that could be very easily weaponized against you and me. Oh, we're already falling, man. I know. Make no mistake about it. But you know, I hate to say that because you know how sad that is. It's fucking horrible because we are the only light in the world that represents any freedom at all.

1:45:18It's sad. Really, we're not even that free, but we're freer than everybody else in the world, right? I think these people are lighting that fire faster. If we go, you know, I don't think that the, I don't know who's pulling the strings on all this shit. Got some ideas. I think it's a group of different foreign governments not necessarily convoluting with each other all for their specific purposes. But they are dividing every way they can. And we're doing it ourselves too. I mean, the right and the left are doing a great job at dividing this fucking country. That's obvious. We don't even really need the foreign influence.

1:46:02But, you know, what people don't understand, I don't think, is that, you know, nobody's coming in here to conquer us. Nobody's coming in here to save us. Maybe the cartels, you know what I mean? Or maybe, you know, spies here and there. But it's not going to be like an invasion or something like that. It's going to be from within. But the purpose of dividing us. I mean, we're seeing, obviously, a huge rise in political violence. Yeah. But if this kicks off, let's say we go into a civil war or something, this will make the shit that I've seen in Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, all over the Middle East, it'll look like child's play.

1:46:51But there are so many fucking guns in this country. Yeah. So many people that are trained how to use them. Stockpiling ammunition, stockpiling weapons, stockpiling... Yeah. There are more guns here than anywhere else in the world. Than people? And people that know how to use them. Yeah. If you can divide this country enough just to get people at each other in a violent, like an actual violent... I'm not talking about this bullshit BLM, Antifa, you know, shit, which was horrible. Yeah. But if you can pit everybody against each other, this will be the most dangerous place in the world by a long shot.

1:47:37There isn't even a government that could infiltrate it because it will become so fucking dangerous. Why do you think? And we will just have to live in it, and then we will be... People won't even have to think about America. We'll have so many issues killing each other, record numbers. I mean, it's just... Why do you think that... Because I think it's a multitude of things that are dividing us. It's the government. It's our lawmakers. It's the media. But why do you think that our lawmakers are still doing it if they know this? We're not geniuses. we're sitting here and we're just looking at it right the rhetoric i mean a lot of these lawmakers aren't that fucking smart you know i think a lot of people i think a lot of people give them a lot more credit than they're due but i mean there are some there are some special ones they're just not that sharp yeah they're not that sharp you know and and some of the ones that i see getting in there from the, especially the younger ones, you know, I mean, I think that they are selected because they are very easy to manipulate.

1:48:52Won't even realize they're being manipulated. Yeah. And it's funny, the reason why I pulled this out, I printed out some news articles for you where the media, both independent and the old school mainstream media are dividing this country. And I wanted to read you these titles. This is from Fox News. This is a title, not an opinion piece. liberal journalists Democrats bitterly seek to discredit Trump's Bronx rally call it fake and made up okay whatever let's read this here's an article from CNN excuse me this is MSNBC Trump is threatening to declare war on the American people literally that's a title okay it's better you mean the only thing that people actually read that headline so listen listen this is uh i believe this is cnn yeah it's cnn the u.s economy has a new problem democracy is under siege and this goes to show like what the fuck are we doing what are you trying to do we're do i mean what people read that and they That's all they read.

1:50:07Right, because they get stuck in their echo chambers. I would bet the vast majority of people in this country do not read past the headline. Maybe a few sentences. They all lie. This is something I wanted to show you, too. This is actually great. Do you remember when Joe Rogan went on during COVID and CNN aired his face? Yeah, are you talking about the ivermectin thing where they made his face yellow? And this is literally. And to this day, they deny that they did it. I know. I know. They still deny. But this is my point. And this kind of all correlates to each other. They have so much influence over all of us.

1:50:48And a picture, a title, a color can influence somebody. I even recognize for myself, I can influence my audience very easily. I think what makes me different from a lot of other people is I'm level-headed and I'm sick of it all. I hate to use the word hate, Sean. I'm sick of the left and I'm sick of the right because I see through it all. I have this analogy. I tell people, you know, every four years we elect a new government, right? Essentially, we get a new president. And then some new lawmakers come in, and the House will either go Democrat or Republican. I want you to picture a car rolling down a road.

1:51:38Every four years, we pick who drives. To the left or the right. There's only two types of people that can drive a car. We elect somebody to the left with a left government. The car is still going to go down that road, but it's going to lean a little to the left. If we elect somebody on the right, the car is going to still stay down that road, but it's going to lean a little to the right. The reality is that no matter who's in office, the status quo continues. People in this country are hungry for change, Sean. Oh, yeah. I mean, we're talking about foreign influence. I mean, have you seen that APAC advertisement?

1:52:26Yeah. Pull that shit up. It's pinned to the top of their X profile. You think that's helping anybody? I don't think. Yeah. It's crazy. All of this shit. We'll overlay it on the screen right now. Yeah. It's... My point, though... That's fucking propaganda right there. Yeah. Yeah. But the thing is, and now, so listen, you're going to get shit for that right now. I don't care. No, but so listen, you're going to get shit because now people are going to say you're anti-Israel. But the thing is, it's not just Israel. It's everybody. They're all doing it. But what they do is they hound in on the one person talking about one.

1:53:13I'm at the point where it's fuck them all. None of them should be able to do this. This isn't right. And the question is, how do we regulate this? What do we do? And listen, I told you, I'm not one for new laws and regulating press. And trust me, I don't want that. Because every time we try to do something, we end up usually going too far. But this shit can't continue. The influence can't continue. And our founding fathers, geniuses, when they found this country, right? The Constitution, amazing to think of that back then. The problem is, is they didn't think about fucking meta. They didn't know Instagram.

1:53:57They didn't know how it could be weaponized. They were thinking in the moment. And the problem is we're so fucking divided now that there's no way that I see that we can address all these things without... I think about this all the time. The only conclusion that I've come to is you have to just lead by example you have to show that you can have a fucking conversation with somebody that you disagree with and it can be a cordial nice conversation yeah and i have a perfect example of this i brought gavin newsom on what about two or three months ago got obliterated by my audience they were so fucking angry that i had him on right i don't agree i don't agree with much of anything that that guy says but we had a nice cordial conversation it was a great experience and i wanted i just and so you know and when i took that interview i wanted to show hey you know we don't have to fucking hate each other just because we disagree on everything i think a lot of the things that i've seen going on in california you live there i don't go there because but but i I think that a lot of the things that have happened there are are disgusting.

1:55:11But I wanted to show that I can have a conversation with somebody that I don't agree with. And I don't have to I don't have to hate them the entire time. And I want to you know what fucking came of this. We had a we had a awesome discussion about psychedelic therapy and what it's doing for veterans. Traumatic brain injury to PTSD addiction all this stuff. We had a great discussion about that on the show yesterday. Gavin Newsom just signed a fucking bill in California that is pro-psychedelic therapy. I literally just saw it right before I came down here for the interview between me and you. I haven't even read the whole thing yet.

1:55:54But I texted him, and I said, man, you know, this is really good to see. Thank you. And he said, big part of that was that discussion we had on your podcast. Yeah. You know what I mean? And so that's that. What I'm what I'm what I'm saying here is you have to lead by example because we can't penalize people. That that's an infringement on free speech. That's an infringement on capitalistic society. You know, all you can do is be the person to set the example. And that's what I wanted to do with that interview is set an example. And look, I set an example. Everybody fucking hated me for it. But look, now there's policy that's happening that's benefiting people that are struggling with traumatic brain injury, PTSD, our veterans, rape victims, addicts.

1:56:41Addiction is obviously a fucking massive problem in California right now. I think that's the only way to solve the opioid fentanyl heroin epidemic is through psychedelics. And look, it's coming to fruition three months later after two people that are a complete opposite sides of the spectrum have a discussion, and he's implementing that in his state. That is fucking cool. That's how you fucking make change. Yeah, and all those people giving you shit, you know what? I would tend to argue they're stuck in those echo chambers. Exactly. And that's the problem. And you know what? Get out. Go listen to something else.

1:57:18Go challenge your thoughts. because if you get stuck in these chambers, you're just festering in the shit, and you might miss something. Also, too, it goes back to what I said. We got to get back to the place where we're treating Americans like Americans again. You might not agree with Gavin Newsom, right? But guess what? You were able to sit here and talk to him as a neighbor. And we got to get back to that. We have to, because if we don't, like you said, it's going to get nasty, And it's the conversation nobody wants to have, but it's true. Like, we can't allow this to keep cooking. Yeah. Yeah.

1:57:58Do you have any ideas? I've had one idea, but I've, like, how do we, how do we, it goes more into how do we break this two-party. System of bullshit. Attraction is better than promotion. I've had one idea, and it could work, but then I see issues coming after that. I think we need somebody to run for office that picks a running mate that doesn't agree with them. I don't see that happening. But. They don't have to come as a complete surprise. Like, Shawn. Because the RNC or the DNC. We take a Republican and we take a Democrat and we put them together. And the one thing, they might not agree on everything, but that's the whole point of our government.

1:58:50You have to compromise. Well, I'm with you here. And if we took a Republican and a Democrat that could run together as just Americans, not as red, not as blue, as red, white, and blue. And we got them out there, and they worked under the common goal of just making things better and finding that middle ground and treating each other like human beings, not as enemies, which both sides do. That's the only thing I could see fixing it. But then the next issue is, well, now you have Congress, and the Senate is controlled by Republicans and Democrats. All it takes is a bunch of them to agree on something and impeach your ass.

1:59:36And something I find interesting is they, both sides will unify on things. Like right now, a couple of things. Where's the stock trading been? Why haven't we had that? Oh, well, I think we all know why we don't have that. You know why. It's because it goes back to my thing. They're two sides of the same coin. How long have we been hearing that someone was going to take care of our debt? We're$37 fucking trillion in debt, Sean. Does it even matter anymore? I mean, fuck it. They're just going. Yeah. It's the constant shit, and it never changes. And every four years, we hear something else. You know, most recently, you know, the most disappointing thing that I've seen from my audience right now, where they are disappointed?

2:00:23This whole Epstein file thing. What a... Fuck, you had Kash Patel sitting in this chair. Are we still talking about Jeffrey Epstein? Remember that? A hoax. What? Yeah, we're still fucking talking about it. What do you think about that? I have an interesting take, but I want to hear yours. I mean, I don't know exactly what you're talking about, but I mean, what do I think? I think a lot of things. Why do you think right now they're not? I mean, you don't have to be a Democrat or Republican to reveal that they're not being transparent. I think they have botched this so bad that unless it aligns with the wildest conspiracy theory out there, nobody's going to fucking believe it.

2:01:09Exactly. Why haven't you just released it? Just release it. Just fucking release it. Like, what was the last thing? The DOJ is not going to listen to Maxwell at all. Or they're not even going to, like, I've heard all kinds of things. I think. But look, our government's been lying to us for decades, man, about everything. And it's like the boy that cried, well, if you lie once, lie twice, lie three times, eventually you start not believing somebody. And they've done this to themselves. We DMed about this recently. You had a comment on my page. You said that this is decades of the government lying.

2:01:52I think what's happened with this whole Epstein thing, I think there are parts of it that are true. I don't doubt that he trafficked women and there are people involved, not even women, girls, teenagers, disgusting shit. But I often wonder, has the theories that are out there, have some of them been cooked up by maybe a foreign government that wants to sow more distrust? It's definitely possible. And the government, and then the question is this, we're all expecting all these big names to be in it, and what if our expectations are here, and what's actually there is here, and if they release it now, are you going to believe it?

2:02:41No, I'm not. I don't know anybody that would believe it. Right, they totally fucked it up. They botched it so fucking bad from the very beginning when the influencers went to the White House holding up the binders like it's some type of a trophy, like look at me i'm in with the administration well buddy the administration just discredited your entire fucking career yeah good job and and you know but not only that then it was then it was you know the comments are we still talking about jeffrey epstein yes we are still talking about jeffrey unstein because you ran half your fucking campaign off getting these fires released of course we're still talking about jeffrey epstein you know then you know fast for them there was the footage they released the footage but oh there's a blip and it's like dude are you fucking serious are you shitting me and this you're gonna release footage with a with it's missing fucking time like yeah get the fuck out of here with that shit i know and you know what's crazy this goes back to remember i told you about the russian saying that he was concerned and he was talking about my reality in a different way, I often wonder, this is the stuff he was talking about, this kind of shit.

2:03:51This is the kind of shit we're told that happens in Russia, where there's minutes missing, or people falling out of windows, and people dying, and all this crazy shit. And it's right in front of us. Like, you're right, we're missing a minute. This guy gets, allegedly, commits suicide in a maximum security prison. They don't have the... First, I thought at one point we didn't even have tapes. Tapes aren't showing up. But now, like, there's so many issues. The Bureau of Prisons report that they released is contradicting itself now based on the video that we've now seen. I mean, like, and even to this day, you know, the thing that really drives me nuts is, like, we have people in the FBI now that previously talked about getting to the bottom of this.

2:04:42and being transparent and being real. You had Kash Patel sit here. Oh, I know. I'm very aware. And like, look what they're saying. It goes back to the same thing. It's like, man, dude, this is, and you know what's crazy too is the Democrats are riding this. They're saying, look, we want the Epstein files. And the question to them is, where were you four years ago? You guys were in charge. Yeah. You know? But the shitty part is, Sean, now it's being weaponized on all sides. Oh, yeah, yeah. Nobody wants to figure it out. And here's the reality. There's a bunch of young children, teenagers, that got tied up into this shit.

2:05:23Mm-hmm. And it's now just being used as political points and baggage. What people just want to know. They're mysteriously dying now, too. I mean, one just got smacked with a bus. One of the victims, right? Just got smacked, killed with a bus. Yeah. and it's, I mean, like, what the fuck? So, you know, I think nobody's going to believe it unless it aligns with the wildest conspiracy out there. But, I mean, I don't know. What do you think it was? I look at it. I've interviewed Nick Bryan a couple of times. I've talked to Buck Sexton about it. I mean, the biggest thing that I see on the Internet is that people are saying that Epstein had ties to the Mossad and all this shit.

2:06:13Looks pretty likely. I've often wondered, and I'm not doubting that, but I've often asked myself, is this even bigger than that? And you know this. You were in the CIA. The CIA cannot target American citizens, right? You're not allowed to touch Americans, whether it's gaining intelligence on them or whatever. It has to go through with other agencies and there's a whole process. I've often asked myself if maybe this was a broader operation between a bunch of foreign intelligence agencies, maybe like the Five Eyes, for example, something like that, where a bunch of intel agencies were working together, maybe to unfortunately compromise lawmakers in their countries and abroad, so that that could be used as weight to get people to vote a certain way or approve funding for certain programs.

2:07:11And, you know, so a U.S. agency can't touch a U.S. lawmaker, but one from the U.K. can. I mean, Israel can. I've thought that. I've thought... This is such a thorn in this administration's side that if it was... It's not going away, too. If it was kind of what you're saying, you know, what if it was down here? You know, what is everybody's expecting this? What if it's – I just – I don't know. I could see that. But on the other hand, it's like this is such – this has become such a problem. I think it's jeopardized the midterms. I think it will jeopardize the next election for the Republicans. For sure.

2:07:47I think that this could – I think the Republican Party will pay dearly for how this has been handled. but you know there is a way to make it right just fucking release them and if it's not that bad just fucking release it but you got to wonder what's what it is it's got to be so bad that they're willing to literally i mean like i i watched cash patel at that fbi hearing i can't i thought to myself what did he say to himself when he got home that night and closed the door because he i mean fuck dude he's just sitting there just and the thing is it's he was acting the same way as the previous directors and how they were all deceiving and they just you know they don't even answer questions and they just they dance around everything and it goes back to my same point it's like it's the same bullshit yeah yeah that's all day Well, let's take a quick break.

2:08:51When we come back, I want to talk about some of these bot farms and stuff like that. Cool.

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2:11:34That's R-O-K-A dot com. All right, John, we're back from the break. I wanted to get into some of this bot stuff. I saw, you know, some stuff under the outline that has to do with OnlyFans. So it's interesting. For people that don't know, bots are accounts, whether it's on X, Instagram, Facebook, YouTube, whatever, There are accounts that are not real people that might comment something. And there's usually three motives behind what they're commenting. The first type of bots, the most common ones that we see today,

2:12:19they're the OnlyFans porn bots that are trying to comment on a post and try to hope that somebody sees that and gets horny and goes to that site. So that's the first one. Those are nefarious, nothing bad, not too nefarious. The second type of bot, which we've been seeing, is bots that will pop up and they'll comment about an unfortunate situation. Maybe they're in a war zone. Most common one I've been seeing recently is people will claim they're in Gaza and they'll have a GoFundMe and they'll say, please help me, you know, my family is dying in Gaza. click my page and go to my GoFundMe. And you click these accounts, and depending on the level of sophistication of the bot, it clearly will either look like a fake page or they look really real.

2:13:19And then there's the next level of bot, which is the one that I'm concerned about. And these are bots that comment about topics, topics, news. So internally, and I've never talked about this ever, let's say for example, we post a news article on Instagram and right when we hit post, there will be four or five comments. Right after I hit refresh, four or five article, or four or five paragraph article with a headline. I hit refresh. It's three seconds. There's a two-sentence comment about that topic. Sean, that's humanly impossible. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. So the question is, what are they trying to do?

2:14:15We have restricted on our Instagram approximately 1 ,000 accounts. Restricting means if we find somebody to comment something so fast, and we're not talking a word. I'm talking sentences within a second or two. That means you're a bot. There's something that's not genuine about you. And we've got about 1 ,000 accounts over the three years that we started doing that. And what scares the shit out of me, Sean, is when I look at those accounts, some of them clearly look fake. I have found accounts, Sean, that look like real fucking people. Mm-hmm. To the point where... A perfect example, we had an article about the war in Ukraine, and it was giving both sides of Russia and Ukraine.

2:15:14And this guy comments three sentences within, I'm talking seconds, about how Ukraine, something about Nazis in Ukraine or whatever. And I'm like, this is humanly impossible. Click his profile. Look at him. He's tagging his wife in pictures. Click his wife. His wife has an account, 600 followers. Oh, wow. Yeah, dude. Wow. These are sophisticated bot networks that have been set up by foreign actors. and this isn't new, okay? But a lot of people don't realize this. Like every couple months, Meta will come out or Microsoft does these reports where they'll say, we identified all these bot networks and then they start shutting them down or Meta will announce they took down 5 ,000 accounts or whatever.

2:16:09But people don't understand the scale of it. So you might read a news article instead of, you might read a headline And then instead of reading the article, you just go to the comments, see what people are saying. They're trying to influence how you think in a comment. Now, the crazy thing is you might be arguing with somebody that's not even real. Yep. And they're gaslighting you. You were talking about, you got shit for having Gavin Newsom on here. I wonder how many of those people were just, maybe not real people, that were just trying to divide. I'm not saying they all were. I'm sure there was a ton of them.

2:16:44Yeah. And what they do is they're trying to stir up shit. The funny thing, because we've restricted some accounts, we'll have, and I'll show you how it looks, but it's basically I can see their comment, but nobody else can see it, and I have to approve to allow it. We've had other bot accounts comment on our post tagging, like as if they're responding to you. So it would be like, at Sean Ryan, 762, right? And, but they can't see that original comment. So it just came up as a populated response to nothing. So it tells me that's a bot too. You're saying that they are responding to the bot that's restricted?

2:17:32That they wouldn't be able to see? Yes. Holy shit. But they don't, because it's all automated. I don't know if you've seen those videos and I'll send you them. There's like literally fucking rooms full of phones. Yeah. Have you seen it? Yeah, I've seen them. I don't understand exactly how they are working. I don't understand. Without somebody behind the actual device. Well, I think it's an AI. I would assume. Yeah. I don't know the... Did you see that one in New York recently? You guys covered that, I think. It wasn't bots. That was somebody trying to take down cell towers. Some communication disruptor or something.

2:18:10That's fucking crazy. How many phones was it? It wasn't actual phones. They had some sort of system that allowed them to duplicate like 100 ,000 phone numbers in some way. I don't know if it was duplicate or they could mimic 100 ,000 phone calls. And what their idea was is they were going to... Shut down Manhattan's communications. That's fucking crazy. And let me tell you something. That's not some little gang or a cartel. That is somebody trying to do some shit. That's a foreign adversary. 100%. And you know what? We haven't heard a thing about that. Of course we haven't. Yeah. Not a word. Makes you wonder like...

2:18:59I mean, I hate to talk about shit like this, but I don't think people realize how vulnerable our daily life is to shit like that. Oh, man. The power grid. You know, we're going off a little tangent here, but China's been embedding in US critical infrastructure for decades. Something I love to do, and I encourage everybody to do it, is I really watch these hearings with these top generals on Capitol Hill. I watch them religiously every second, because you kind of get an idea as to what's going on. and there was a general who went up that said that how they view it is China has been embedding themselves in U.S.

2:19:47critical infrastructure with the goal of that if there was ever a conflict to break out it would slow a U.S. response down because it would create chaos within because because everybody's dependent on all this shit. Mm-hmm. You know? And it goes back to what we were talking about earlier, which was nobody trusts anybody. You know, it's sad. It's because, David, most people just want to just grow up. Sorry, I get emotional because it sucks. Most people just want to raise a family and live. Yeah. But you can't. It's sad, man. It is. And it's not just, I want to be clear, it's not just Americans.

2:20:43The world. You think people in the Middle East want this shit that's going on right now? People just want to live. Yeah. But what we've got, I tell my friends this, you've got nine countries, eight or nine, that sit at a table, big long table. And everybody that sits at that table is a country that has a gun. What do I mean by that? Those are countries that have nuclear weapons. Okay. The nine countries, China, North Korea, Russia, India, Pakistan, the UK, France, the United States, and the one that everyone, we don't know is Israel. I think they have one.

2:21:42Those people, think of it as a person, a country. sit at this table. Some have the gun on the table to show it off. Some have it holstered. The ones that scare me, Sean, are the ones that have their hands under the table. You know why? Because you don't know if I'm pointing a gun at you. With everything that's going on in this world right now, the stocking of satellites, the embedding of critical infrastructure, the supply chain the fentanyl crisis the buying a pub buying our our farmland putting buying land next to military bases i mean this goes on and on the propaganda the bot farms i mean influencing us on and on and on i have questioned sean this is hard to say but i don't know So, I don't know if...

2:22:46Fuck, dude. There's so much distrust, and people don't realize it. How bad it is right now. Every second, every minute. All it takes is one fucking thing. And that could be it. Now, what we hope is that those nine people at that table aren't fucking crazy. But let me tell you something. Guess who's sitting at that table? Just one example. Kim Jong-un sitting there. He's fucking crazy. You know? That's just, some people will then say, well, maybe his gun doesn't work. Okay. Are you comfortable with someone pointing a gun at you? That might not work. there's people that are more flamboyant about it and there's people that aren't i've questioned because of the way the world's going everybody's arming up is my generation going to get to live their full potential it's tough everybody's worried about that man it is dude because this is something I really believe in.

2:24:05Do people just want to live? I've heard you talk about you went to war for what? You have your feelings? You were wondering why you were out there? Same thing. We're totally off topic, But how far are people willing to go? And I don't know. I really don't know. But based on everything I'm seeing, dude, it's fucking crazy. It's fucking crazy.

2:24:51and we've got to get... The thing is, how do we even fix that? There's so much distrust. Everybody's spying on everybody. Everybody's embedding in each other's shit. It's a clusterfuck, dude. How do you fix that? Right now, the only fix to that that we've been using is deterrence. That's okay. We're making all this shit open, we never have to use it. And what's fucked, Sean, is if we want to stop, they won't. Same stuff with like AI. Look at this AI shit right now. It's being weaponized. Has to be. Right? We don't have an option. Because if we don't do it, China's going to do it. Yeah. Russia's going to do it.

2:25:41Everybody's doing it. So we're fucked. We have to do it. Yeah.

2:25:49But look at what comes with that. You know, I always tell people, the number one thing that guarantees, that I believe guarantees our freedoms in this country is that at the end of the day,

2:26:17let's say god forbid something happened and this country had an issue where the military was directed to do things that were unconstitutional to us that would take our rights away at the end of the day there's one thing that stops a ridiculous order and our everyday life and and something impacting our everyday life and you know what that is a soul okay if a soldier at the end of the day that they have a heart they have a soul they have a mind with the way we're going man we're getting into the world where is that even going to be necessary anymore can you just take an order and it just does it you know you ever thought about that that we're we're we got all these countries now that are using robotics and they're arming all these robots could you imagine what it would look like if one of these countries had a coup from within with ai what what the does the world do and all these ai wizards and tech guys i'm not a tech guy and these guys might dog on me and say this guy has no idea what the fuck he's talking about.

2:27:31Okay, cool. What's your plan for that? Well, it can never happen. How? There's guardrails. Everybody can break a guardrail. Fuck, AI is right now thinking for itself. Did you hear the story? There was a, I think it was, I don't know if it was Google or who it was. They had to shut down an AI that they were testing because they told the AI that they were going to shut it down, because it wasn't working well, and they were kind of just egging it on, and it threatened to blackmail one of the developers. Was that real? I couldn't tell if that was real. I read it was real. Bullshit. Yeah, it was a report that they released.

2:28:12I forgot the group's name. And when I saw that, I said, are you fucking kidding me? I think, this is what I think. I think it is a game of patience, and this is going to sound bad, oh fuck it but i think this is going to be a game of patience i think that the older generations are going to have to disappear you know it's a matter of time just everybody fucking dies right i think the older generations uh as they start to die off you know i think the younger generations are more in tune with what's going on at least that's my view of things they see i think they're sick of it they see the ai they have total complete distrust in mainstream media they don't trust any of the government institutions then you have the older generations that they can't wrap their head around the fact that the news outlets that they've been watching for 75 years are lying to them and likely have been the entire time you know that their their entire world has been flipped upside down and they're they aren't they don't they just don't understand it.

2:29:23I mean, just like the thing you just showed me, a 93-year-old woman or 83-year-old woman posting an AI video thinking it's real. And then under all the comments, those people all think it's real too. I mean, it's very unfortunate, but you're not going to reframe, you know, 65 years old plus, you're not going to reframe that mind. It's just their entire world has been flipped upside down. Tech is just advancing at a rapid pace and they're not going to get it. they're not gonna get it it's crazy where it's going i think that i think that you know the way i think that the younger generation is more in tune with this you know probably millennial generation and down yeah you know and and uh that's that's i think it's a waiting game unfortunately i also think you know that people need to be a little bit more accepting a little bit less judgmental, a little bit more willing to poke holes in their own fucking stories.

2:30:23Yeah. I see a lot of people that are unwilling to do any self-reflection and poke holes in their own stories. And that is detrimental. That is fucking absolutely detrimental. When you have somebody that is 100 % bought and sold on what they are seeing on X and are unwilling to self-reflect and poke holes in their own stories that person has now gone to. And, I mean, you just always have to be willing to poke holes in your own bullshit. And you don't see a lot of that today either. But that's kind of, that's what I think. And I think people need to lean out too. You know, I think this becomes their life.

2:31:05You've got to challenge what you're seeing. people are spending seven hours a day on social media yeah you know getting cooked up with the algorithm wants them to see yep yep yeah and it just pigeonholes you more and more and more and more the more time you spend on it more learns about you and the more crazy how much power that is yeah you can literally move somebody to do anything but it has no power if we go back to human connection. Can we get there? Honestly, I've thought about that. I don't know. Remember the days where, when I grew up, I can't really tell you much about when I grew up, but I, um, I remember the days, man, you would go knock on your neighbor's door to play with them and shit, do shit like that, play soccer.

2:31:53Yeah, stuff still goes on, but remember the days where you would actually make plans with your friends and hang out with them and go, you know, all that stuff is like... And those were like private moments. Now everything has to be publicized and thrown on social media.

2:32:13It's weird how, like, man, our childhood, what it was and what it is now, it's just different. But I do see that there's a drive among some people to try to give their children that are being born today that same childhood away from the ipad not giving the kid the ipad and you know the it's happening all the time man i just had trey stevenson co-founder of andurl kids don't have any devices really major major tech guy see you know sad too i was at a dinner recently and it was um an older woman maybe in her 90s and she was sitting there with her two i would assume they were her grandkids fucking stuck in the phone while she's eating oh man i see it all the time and you know i thought to myself like fuck and i just just i mean we're all on borrowed time you know those kids will grow up and they'll regret that those moments that you're just fucking stuck in some little virtual box yeah you know yeah yeah sucks dude it's pretty sad it's pretty sad but there's a lot of good stuff going on in the world too and you gotta look but you'll never see it if you don't lean out of digital and but get out in your fucking community not everybody hates you i see it all over this town yeah so but well hey as we wrap this up yeah and you have been judging media outlets big ones small ones independent ones mainstream ones how do you think we're doing i think you're doing a good job sean you know you brought up you brought on Gavin Newsom.

2:34:05I'll be honest with you. I, prior to, I don't keep up with all your stuff religiously. Just because life gets crazy, man. Hey, I get it. I can barely keep up with my shit. But I catch one every once in a while. My brother, though, he's, that's why he's here. He wanted to meet you. But I had this impression of you originally that you were more right-leaning. I don't know why. That's just how I absorbed it originally. And over time, as I listened to you, I've seen that I was wrong. And I think how I view you and what you're doing here is you're trying to have a real conversation with people.

2:34:51And you bringing on Gavin Newsom, I think, was really the pinnacle of you showing that you're not an echo chamber. You're open to people challenging new ideas. I've seen some of your podcasts where you have somebody on, talk shit on somebody else, and then you let that other person that was getting shit-talked come on in. And I think that's important, and that's good, and you're facilitating that. And that's what I think we need. We need to... People need to be able to have a conversation again. You know? There's guys from the left and guys from the right. that all have great ideas. Some of them are bad, some of them are good, but at the end of the day, we should be able to sit down and have a conversation about it.

2:35:40Mm-hmm. Do you know? And I think that's what you're doing here. I think you're allowing people to come in here and open up and talk. Fuck, I mean, you've had some amazing guests. I told you, it's crazy I'm sitting here because I really, I mean, you've had some truly top-tier guests. Fuck, you had Tom Homan in his chair crying. It's a tough man. You know, you got me to tear up a little bit in here. That's just how I feel. You've had everybody from all walks of life, and you've even brought in people from different countries that maybe have some different views than what we're all told here. And I think that's important.

2:36:21I think you're truly someone that's independent, and you're kind of going down your road, and you're open to all ideas. And that's the same thing with me. I'm, I, I, we're both artists. We just paint a picture and put a bunch of color on it and let people figure it out. That's just what you've been doing. And I hope you continue to do that. I hope that you, you know, bring in people. It'll be cool. something that we're going to do is I want to start bringing in Republican and Democratic lawmakers over for dinner and talk about America while they cook some food wouldn't that be cool that would be great I think that would be sick I have AOC and Marjorie Taylor Greene in the kitchen that's right I might get fucking canceled for that or or like a republic you know and cook a meal and have a conversation about America.

2:37:20I think you're doing that on a much larger scale, bringing people in and having that conversation. We need to have more of that. We need to have more... less of the loud, noisy bullshit, and more of just people connecting on a... on a human level, as Americans. The human connection. It's important. We gotta get back to that. And if we don't, it's not good. Yeah. I hope people take that away from that, too. Like, really, get out of your echo chambers. You don't have to like my news. I could give two fucks. Go find, stay where you're at, but challenge yourself. They have to realize they're in an echo chamber first.

2:38:09Right. A lot of people still don't realize it. Yeah, if you watch Fox News, please, take 30 minutes out of your day. and I know it's hard to do, turn on MSNBC. Just turn it on. Challenge yourself. Same thing goes with the people watching MSNBC. I know it's hard. 30 minutes, just reinforce what you believe because you would be surprised. There's much more that unites us than divides on both sides. You just don't realize it because people get... It just goes back to you have to be willing to poke holes in your own story. True. Well, John, I love what you're doing, man. I appreciate it. Been following you for a long time.

2:38:56I'll continue to do it. Dude, you got to make the newsletter. You got to make the newsletter. Newsletter. So what? It's just a... There's your subscription. Yeah? The newsletter. Just a newsletter that people get news from. Just a little bit more detail. Got it. But. One more thing to do, man. Hey, you got to expand, right? Yeah. You're not growing your diet. But, hey, man. Pleasure to meet you. Nice meeting you, Sean. Thank you. And real news, no bullshit. So everybody check it out. Catch us on Instagram. We've got a website. Simple, man. Cheers.

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