#255 Ryan Montgomery – Roblox & Minecraft: Hacker Exposes the Largest Online Video Games

33:51How do you narrow it down and go, it's that fucking camera right over there on the right corner? So it depends. If it's broadcasting like BLE, for example, or a MAC address, there's a thing called like an OUI database that you can identify it from the digits there, which I'm just trying to simplify things, but like there's ways you could do that, or you could just do a DL flood, which then just hits everything it possibly can, and then you can take a safe bet that if it's on, you know, the frequency that this is de-offing on, it's gonna knock it offline. Gotcha. But what's cool about this is a lot of things, because I just, like, without going into the nitty-gritty of it, the Wi-Fi capabilities, it also has Bluetooth capabilities and Bluetooth attacks, and one of them's called Sour Apple, and I'll get more into that later.

34:37You could spoof an AirTag with this thing, like to make it people oh you could do what do you mean spoof an air tag what does that even mean so it's it'll make your phone believe that there's an air tag there so like it you know you know how your phone will say you're being tracked by an air tag but like these antennas versus an air tags antennas are way more significant um i'll show you more once i get over to the this other tool what about you know bluetooth attacks but um some really cool stuff there but but the reason why this is called a dual ESP, which means there's two boards in it, you can use the flippers on the custom, there's a custom app in here that, like, let's say I wanted to do one attack that's taking your cameras offline, and I want to do another attack that's stealing your passwords.

35:21I can use two different networks completely doing two different attacks because this has two boards in it and the flipper knows to use one or the other. How are you going to steal the passwords? I'll show you. I'll show you, because I have something else for that. It's unbelievable, but this was a cool gift, and I wanted to show it off, because it just looks cool, you know? And then this right here, I think you're really going to like this. So a company also Kickstarter-related. I'm not going to like it, Brian. I don't like any of this stuff. You might not like this. You might not. All right, so this is called the BLE Shark Nano.

36:02And the company, I think they're for sale now, but they sent them out to me because I asked. Like, it was, like, because I really wanted one. It looked cool. And the guy was nice enough. I think his name was George. He sent it out to me, and I was like, you know, who knows, you know, like, what I'm going to do with it. I just want to play around with it. And I record a video at that conference, and it's got, like, 20 million views, like, me just showing this thing off. And I was not expecting that at all. So I'll show you what I mean by stealing the passwords. I think that this should do it. Okay, so now go to your phone, just go to settings, go to Wi-Fi, and you should see a free Wi-Fi there.

36:45I just named it free Wi-Fi. All right, my phone's on the phone.

36:51Oh, shit, here we go. Don't worry, it won't hurt anything.

37:00yep free wi-fi got it what happens when you click free wi-fi i should i should click it all right here we go sign into your google account okay so just put in like sean gmail.com and then just put in whatever password you want

37:46I got it. So, should I walk over to you? Because it's small. Yeah. All right, so we got... Sean at gmail.com. Password, hack this. No shit, dude. So what if for the people... I don't know if they could hear me. For the people that couldn't see this little device, Sean just got a network that said free Wi-Fi. It could have been airport Wi-Fi. That could have been hotel Wi-Fi. That could have been Starbucks Wi-Fi. It could be whatever I wanted to name that network. and what happened was he got what's called a captive portal, which a lot of people would be familiar with. They might not recognize the term, but you connect to a free network in public and the screen pops up that says, like, I agree to the terms and conditions or if you're in a hotel room, it might say, you're in room 1308 and your last name is this and then when you press submit, it tells the hotel, yeah, this is a guest, give them access to our network.

38:44That's a captive portal. um what in this case it created a fake google captive portal that it had that looked like the real google login i mean i don't think there's any way you could have told like differentiated that from a real google login because what you're taught in phishing attacks is to look at the url if the url doesn't say google.com then it's not real right well in captive portals the url just says captive.apple.com as the default so you there's no way to tell that's not real like you're You should never put your credentials in, is basically what I'm saying, into any captive portal.

39:20And another thing to think about regarding hotel Wi-Fi or anything related, let's say you're at a hotel or you're on an airplane and you're trying to get internet and you have to put your credit card in to get it. Like maybe the hotel charges more for faster internet. I've seen that. Like to support streaming or whatever. I could make a fake network that says and stand outside of a hotel or leave a device outside of a hotel. or be on an airplane and require a credit card with a name, with an address, with all this info for them to upgrade their connection or upgrade whatever it may be and be stealing credit card numbers as well as their passwords.

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44:18You could buy a device that just does it. But, you know, I don't know. I can't tell you how prevalent these are, but I could give you that device and you could do that with two clicks. Well, I mean, the reason I'm asking is, I mean, you travel a lot. I travel a lot. You know, we spend a lot of time in hotels and airports and shit like that. I'm always connecting to the airplane Wi-Fi, even though the shit never works. I love paying$10 and then you don't get any fucking internet. Yeah, but you put your credit card in there. Yeah, yeah. And how do you know it's really... So that's what I'm getting at.

44:52You know, if you go to whatever, the Holiday Inn Express, and you want to get internet, and there's Holiday Inn, Guest, Holiday Inn Express, Guest, you don't know which one's the legitimate one. They make them look identical. So, yeah, there's no way for you to know the difference. So how can people like, how can people guard against something like that? There's not a, not a great way to do it unless you like, you know, unless you know a little bit about, you know, computers. Because like what I would do in that case is I would, I would try to like in a captive portal on a phone, you can't like view the source of the page and look at the code of the front end client side of the page.

45:31I would look at that to see if there's anything odd there that's not connecting to, like, because this isn't connected to the internet right now. So for you to see that Google page, you had to load the Google logo from that device. It had to load all of the text on the page from that device. Whereas if it was actually pulling data from Google, you would see all of the Google links inside the, it's called the source code. So if you're on a laptop, in a perfect world, you could right click, you could hit view source and see if if the in the code if it actually is going to the name of the hotel.com or google.com and if that's true it still doesn't guarantee that it's real but it gives you a better chance gotcha um and then inside of these captive portals there's uh you like sometimes it doesn't just say captive.apple.com you'll see like an actual name at the top but you know anything can be modified man and i just say that the general way to put this is just don't trust public wi-fi so i i wish i could give you a solid answer i don't think anybody would be able to give you a better answer than that because it's it's kind of an up in the air public wi-fi just there's way more vulnerabilities than just that yeah yeah um well i got i got you a gift ryan oh yeah and so i was gonna wait but this seems like the perfect time to give it to you so one well i'll give you the other gift later so here you go since we're talking about public wi-fi so while you're opening that let me tell you a story all right so actually it probably started with you i started getting you know with the fbi stuff i started getting very paranoid about who's listening in on my conversations and all that kind of stuff and then we went to taiwan we went to dubai we started doing all these overseas interviews i know china you know is looking for back doors into our stuff so anyways i got super paranoid and i started looking for a real black phone and so what i found was this company glacier and they make a black phone they do a hardened iphone they can do any phone any phone you have you can hand it to them and they will turn it into a hardened device where it stops data from getting sucked out of you there's an overwatch you get endless amount of burner numbers you get all american vpns you get there's like a kidnapping type feature uh that tracks you more than than regular ios um but anyways uh lots of features on that but another thing they do where did that device i put it right here yeah so you don't go back up yeah hold that up so anyways i called them up we're gonna partner with them and uh those phones are like 8 500 bucks really yeah but i wanted so i wanted something i was like look this is becoming more and more of a thing you see china buying about a lot of the vpn companies you see israel buying a lot of vpn companies um and so what that thing is is so we're doing this app and the app is going to be like a more consumer friendly version of the phone the phone is really for intel people uh major corporations for their c-suite stuff like that has a secure messenger service but anyways uh so we're we are doing a consumer product of that that's that's more consumer friendly it's going to be an app and we're going to call it glacier app um there's a link for anybody that's interested with the late list down there and we're also developing products.

49:06So that is a secure internet device from Glacier, works in 130 different countries. Basically, you just turn it on, it puts you on the secure server. Like I said, in over 130 countries, they set it up to where all your devices will just automatically link to it. Then you're not using public hotel Wi-Fi, you're not using airport Wi-Fi, you're not using anybody's Wi-Fi, especially overseas, and it's all encrypted. And this is connected to like a cellular network? This is connected to a cellular network that runs through Glacier. And so all of your traffic will be encrypted. Is there like a subscription fee for this?

49:53We haven't released those yet. Great question. I get the free 99. Yeah, you get the free one. so there it is thank you very much this is really cool now you don't have to worry about public wi-fi anymore well i think it's more for the other people than me but i i appreciate it i'll be using the crap out of this i promise you that you're welcome man thank you very much i didn't realize it did all that i i it looks like a power bank but i it does a lot more than power bank based on what you just said yeah so we use that in taiwan we use that in romania we use that in buy i use it everywhere now i just you know so congrats on that that's thank you it's awesome i'm pumped yeah you turned me into a tech guy yeah you were the first tech guy ahead on what i will also turn you into what's that i mean i know you i know you're wealthy sean but i don't think you're this wealthy i'm not wealthy hold on a second i brought something for you here I got you a billion dollars dude one billion I could use an extra billion so the reserve bank of Zimbabwe yeah but you see how it says dollars on that bill yeah so you technically have a billion dollars fucking a you're officially a billionaire billionaire now and uh I just wanted to make it very clear that you have it's in the United States so you know maybe it came from Zimbabwe Thanks for making me a huge target.

51:18Well, you hear about all these problems with billionaires in the United States, but people having issues with them and all this stuff, but you're not going to be one of them. And think about the people in Zimbabwe. They're all billionaires, too. Good point. Good point. No problems, but I just thought it was a cool thing. We ordered them on eBay at the office because there's like$20 billion bills,$40 billion. You ordered these on eBay? We put them in a frame, you know? and uh we just thought it'd be funny to give you one because it's just unbelievable the amount of inflation that's happened but that's a whole different topic yeah they don't use those bills anymore but right on yeah but it's a cool thing to have i thought but i'm going actually i got a couple things about cellular that i want to talk about yeah let's do it it's not it's nothing against what you said it's more just about cellular in general and my worries for it um So firstly, there's this thing right here, which is a Verizon hotspot.

52:14It looks no different than a Verizon hotspot. That's what it is. It is a hotspot. I think it's called the Orbit. Orbic is the actual model of it. They're about$9 on eBay as of recording right now. And if I plug it in, I'll show you how simple this is. So this is the exact same thing as what I just gave you, just on Secure. Yeah, so this is just a hotspot. Okay. But I modified this hotspot with a custom firmware called Ray Hunter. Of course you did. And for$9, I can, which I know you're gonna want one of these. This is up your alley. Is this gonna be the framed piece for this episode? I don't know.

52:58I don't know. But I bring this every country I go to, everywhere I go. So it's charged right now. Let me turn it on.

53:10Come on.

53:18There it goes. Okay. So you see, it's got their logo and everything on it. You would never know this isn't a real hotspot. Yeah. It still does broadcast a network on it. And you'll see at the top here, you're going to start seeing a green or red, hopefully green, a green or red line. the second that it boots up. Okay, so it has no service at the moment, but it's loading. Okay, see that green line at the top there? Yeah. So that means that there are no stingrays within proximity to us, which is going real simple is how the feds or certain people can track your phone's location, like the information that comes from your phone.

54:01like just think of it as a as a um a way to to determine if your phone's being tracked and you could just have this running at all times sitting in your pocket and instead of it and instead of it um you know acting as a wi-fi router or hotspot i can take this i can use my phone i'll show you um i could go and connect to the verizon network right here and then i'll go right to my browser um hold on stingray hunter where is it at

54:46come on i'll just so this thing basically detects if there's any anything listening or gathering information on you within some type of a radius yeah and and you don't have to stare at it you know that's that's kind of the good thing about it is you don't you don't have to stare at it and and uh and if it turns red once it's uh here hold on i'll show you like when you came to the old studio and we had that little piece of shit emf detector thing and we found something on the wall and we're like where is it yeah it's this is this is a whole different thing um let me just look i have it in my bookmark sorry because i have the actual verizon page and then i have the page of it uh where it's modified uh sorry

55:36here we go all right so oh actually what the heck i actually have a warning here Are you fucking serious? I'm dead serious. Look at this. There's a red warning.

55:55So I'll download that PCAP after. Like, I seriously didn't set this up. I really didn't. I swear to God.

56:04Well shit, how do you know what it is? I'll download it and try to see, but it just lets me know there's a device within proximity. That's the first time I've ever seen, I've seen, that's my first time ever seeing a warning. This is likely, if you just turn your device on, this is likely a false positive. well there's two other captures above it so i i don't know there's a couple below it and above it so we'll have to look at into that i've never even seen that wait a minute this is my place uh i mean i i didn't look this is july thursday july 3rd wednesday september 10th well then that would be incorrect unless the top one has the wrong date top one is monday october 20th that's today yeah yeah then that's then the other one must be i must have missed it dude you can't be fucking with me like that i didn't need to i barely looked at it i just saw red and was like i just told you how paranoid i get about this shit well this is why you need one of these i've yeah i need i need to buy that it's nine bucks right now i'll just give you this one but that's nine bucks yeah it's a hacked version of a verizon hotspot but so you You just turn that on anywhere you go?

57:19How far is the radius? I mean, it receives cellular, just like a cell phone would. Yeah. So what it's doing is, this interface is because I'm connected to the hotspot, as if you would be using it, but it's on a custom port, it's called. So it's a... Do you know how people can root their Androids, meaning giving it more permissions and install custom apps? this is running a version of android that's rooted and then it's running that custom software so you just go in here you let it run all day and then you can go and just check is it green is it red and if it is if it is red the ray hunter um like github is like where all the developers put their stuff you can copy the file and put it in there and they'll analyze it for you like you don't even need to know what you're looking at so they'd be interested in this red one that i have because I've never even seen red before.

58:11I never, this is my first time. But yeah, yeah, I thought you would like this because it's kind of a cool, cheap little hacky thing, but it works. I'm getting like one of those for everybody on the team. Yeah, I'll set them all up for you. All right, so that one. What's that called? It's, this is a regular Verizon hotspot, but the software on it's called Ray Hunter. Okay. And then this is the Orbic, O-R-B-I-C, Verizon Orbic. Right on. Yeah, I got mine on eBay. Let me turn it off. But as long as you're seeing a green line, you're good. And I didn't see a red line here, so as soon as I logged into the portal, it was like red.

58:51I was like, what? Never seen red in the portal. So what do you do if it's red? Get a new hotel room? Put your phone in an airplane mode or in a Faraday bag real quick. Okay. Yeah, because it's, you know, I never had it happen, but I like to know if someone's spying on me, you know? So they could be sucking info out even, okay. Um, and then let's see, what else can I show you? Okay, so speaking of cell phones staying on that topic, this is something I actually brought as another gift for you. I love gifts. Have you heard of Mesh-tastic? No. So it's super cool. And, you know, I don't know how familiar you are with the China situation that just happened in New York.

59:34Yeah. Can you talk about that? I mean, I can talk about it briefly. I wrote something just so I make sure I have the numbers correct on that. There was 300 SIM card servers with over 100 ,000 SIM cards capable of 20 million or taking 20 million offline. So, and that's the tri-state region of New York. So like not just New York, but the surrounding states too. And that's just what the ones that they found. So I think it would be kind of naive to think, you know, there's not more of these all over our entire country. So what could that have done? So it would have been a denial of service attack is the technical term for it.

1:00:12But it would have been so many, like, have you ever been to a concert or a big event where everybody's there and your phone's going so slow and no calls are going through? That's because that's just so many people are there. Denial of service. This is a distributed denial of service, meaning coming from multiple angles with, you know, let's say each one sending 100 text messages a minute. It's intentionally trying to flood the towers with so much data that they can't function. They can't keep up with it. So that's essentially what that was set up to do. And to my knowledge, the way they found that, at least partially, was from a tip.

1:00:46So I don't think they're going to tip everywhere that China or whoever, I'm assuming China in almost all cases, has these all over our country, which scares the crap out of me. So I started looking into it. What would they... Okay, so I really want to dive in. I have an idea of where this is going, but I want you to describe like, okay, they shut down all cell phone communications. What does that, what does that mean for the population, especially in a, in a, in a city that's as dense as Manhattan? It's absolute chaos is what happened. It's absolute chaos. Everyone relies on a phone right now in some sort of way to connect with their families, to pay their bills, to get into their cars, myself included, to get into their houses, to pay for things.

1:01:40It's, you know, to call for emergency services. Yeah, like whatever, you know, all of these things. And if you take it away, it's, and that's just the tip of the iceberg. I mean, if China attacks us with an EMP and we lose our power, I mean, some stuff that I've read, people are thinking we're not even going to make it three months without power. Yeah. Like a lot of people are just going to die off. lot of people would die off yeah and then it's sad and it makes sense though so my i mean i i could try to go further into i don't know you know on the politics and all that like you know i don't know a ton about it i mean how long would how long would the server be down for as long as they're attacking so so how would they initiate the attack so it just as a this is a guess from me but if it was me behind this so let's say i would have all of these servers ready to go, I would have one computer that had access to all of them or, you know, just imagine just like a digital switch.

1:02:34So I remote into a computer somewhere, wherever it is, and I press the go button, basically. And the go button tells all of those SIM servers to start sending out text messages at mass volumes. And it's just going to, you know, keep people offline. So it would be somebody remotely detonating, essentially. and then at that point all of the phones in the area slash tri-state area according to what I read would be completely useless not only with text messages, also phone calls also data for the internet completely offline like hardwired internet as well? no, no, internet would be okay because it's not affecting the cellular towers but any cellular connection would be offline you would see that you had connection but it just wouldn't work How long would they, how long could they keep it down for?

1:03:25They would have to figure out where all of the places that were distributing all of that. Holy shit. Yeah, it would take time. It would be substantial enough for it to be a problem, I'll tell you that much. Especially, imagine if it happened in like Utah or somewhere where there wasn't, you know, like, I don't know, I'm just taking a random guess, but like somewhere that more, a little more desolate, in certain areas at least. It would take a while for that to be fixed, I believe. Would there be a way to trace that type of a signal? I mean, I mean, I remember seeing the pictures of that. And I mean, it was like tons of antennas and electronics.

1:04:02I mean, was there, is there, do you have one, do one of these devices go, whoa, there's like a lot of text messages coming from that building? So none of these devices are gonna go, I mean you may be able to pull some general cellular frequency stuff from the the HackRF slash H4M, like the new HackRF, well combination, it's a whole thing. But you may be able to see something on here like, you know, like a waterfall display. It's just like colors going down the screen. You may be able to see like a big fluctuation of that, but I don't know for sure, to be honest with you. But I do know that with a denial of service attack, with a ton of numbers, taking 20 million phones offline, I mean, that's a serious problem, regardless if they could find it or not.

1:04:50But the problem is this. The problem is, if you're not sending or receiving text messages on all of these SIM servers, then how are they going to identify that they're there? because they're not transmitting or receiving any data at that point. If the remote on and off switch I was talking about earlier was off, they're not going to be able to determine that they're there yet. But the second they start sending out a signal, it's probably a little bit easier for them to detect all of this data is coming out of this specific spot. They could just go around with an electromagnetic field detector and say, wow, there's a crap ton of all this coming out of this building.

1:05:27By then it's too late. Yeah, at that point it's already caused a mass hysteria or a mass problem or the media is already reporting on China's attacking us or whatever, you know, God forbid happens. So, yeah. It's wild, man. So what is the red thing here? So this is just, this is a radio that I built for you. I bought the parts, obviously. It's a, they're not our details. It's a Heltec V3. It's a 3D printed case. It's got a custom antenna on it that gives you a little bit more range because out here there's a lot more space than, like in South Florida, we have hurricanes, we have all of the different emergencies that might happen, and we can operate with a little bit smaller antennas than what you would need in this state.

1:06:13So basically what this device does is it operates very similar to a walkie-talkie, but a way cooler, so just hear me out. Like when you click a walkie-talkie and we're within range of each other, you're going to hear me, I'm going to hear you. Same with this. This doesn't use your voice. You don't talk on it like a phone. You text with this. So imagine I send a text and I say, hey, Sean. And then let's say you're within 100 feet of me, you receive it. Now let's say you're 10 miles away from me. This antenna isn't going 10 miles. With a walkie-talkie, it isn't going 10 miles. The reason why they call it MeshTastic is because it's using all of the devices in between you to mesh together to get that message to the intended recipient.

1:06:58And on top of that, it's fully encrypted. So the devices that are carrying the message, like imagine all the walkie-talkies are carrying that message until it gets to you, but none of them can hear your voice until it gets to the destination. Does that make sense? Yeah. So there's a primary channel, which is just like, you know, it's non-encrypted. Everybody's conversation's in there. That's great for the natural, like, you know, hurricanes or emergencies. and then let's say you and I want to talk about something private off the grid this has no cellular connection no monthly bill this is straight up using its own transmit and receive right from that antenna um and uh and you know you can you can be 100 anonymous with this and no way to recover anything I mean it's this is this is could also be used maliciously to be honest with you but so can anything um like uh I don't think it I don't know it's it's just uh it's a super cool device.

1:07:52I'll save my opinion, but the way to operate it is actually, with that specific one, you need the Mesh-tastic app on your phone. You connect it via Bluetooth, and then that's just so you can send and receive messages. But there are certain ones you can buy that are pre-built that look like Blackberries, actually. They have little keyboards on them, and they connect in with the mesh, and then you send a message from the actual device itself and receive messages on the device itself that is just a bluetooth like so your phone is going to be your you know so the phone is the okay yeah so the message goes from your phone to this through the mesh network i'll show you right now it's so easy um so you got can the camera see this um srs mesh you connect in you're on there this is going to tell you the nodes that are around you which we're in a building that isn't going to have any notes but once we get outside they would messages channels primary channel and then you could just say hey i need help for example i'll just say hey so i don't scare anybody and the knowledge waiting to be acknowledged what that means is it's waiting for somebody to acknowledge with their radio it's going to acknowledge this message and relay it to as many people as possible because this is a channel that everyone can see holy shit and then Then there's the secret I made you on called secret comms, which is built into this radio.

1:09:18It has its own private key. So if I'm, let's say I'm a hundred miles away from you, I can send you a message and it's going to use a bunch of other people's radios to get the message to you, but they're not going to see what I said. It's just going to use their radios to make it to you, hopping off of them. Damn. How long does it take to get that message to somebody? Milliseconds. No shit. Yeah. Yeah. It's radio. It's a decentralized. it's a decentralized like cell phone network just think of it in simple terms like that that if the power grid went down if the cellular grid went down the batteries on them things last so long because they're low power and they're long range and um they're cheap too I mean like all in on that thing like we're talking like 30 bucks are you yeah and like just to have that in your backpack just in case something ever happens god forbid it can't hurt to have it.

1:10:13It's not hard to use. Like I'm not, I don't, it's an open source project. I don't make any money telling you anyone to buy them, but the more people that have them, the further the messages that can go. South Florida has a huge population of them. Missouri, huge population, California, huge. Like there's a lot of places that already have a ton of these there, but the more people that have them, the further your message is going to go. Interesting. Kind of an interesting thing. I really, I really liked it. There was a guy in Florida, because I was learning about it, you know, trying to get my house set up.

1:10:42I have a solar, a little solar mount with a giant antenna coming off my roof. And like, you know, I'm going way above and beyond for this. Like my HOA probably hates me. But this guy who has this large infrastructure in Florida, he calls it Tron. Like there's this, I could show you a screenshot, but he's got, he's got these giant cell towers all the way down the coast of Florida. And as long as you can get your message to a Tron, you know, one of his locations, then it has enough transmit power to make it anywhere up and down the coast of Florida. So my goal was to get it to one of the Tron towers.

1:11:20So I finally go into their Discord, like their chat group, and I say like, hey, how do I, like, what kind of antenna should I buy? What kind of stuff should I get? I want to make it to Delray Tron. That was the Tron that I was trying to get to. and this guy uh his name's eric reaches out to me and he's giving me all this advice and he's and he said i'll come out tomorrow morning at 6 30 to the intersection of where he didn't know where i lived or anything but i gave him a general idea 6 30 in the morning guy comes out takes screenshots from his app takes pictures on his phone and and he's showing me with a directional antenna it's called a yagi antenna he's aiming it at the the del rey tran southeast i think it is um and you could see that it is reaching it.

1:12:02So he proved that with a directional antenna that it would work. And this is a guy I've never met before, you know? Somebody that's just like, if you know anything about the ham radio guys from back in the day, it's like a modern age ham radio group, but way more technologically advanced and that people are like younger. So this guy comes out of his way, goes out of his way to help me out, which is like, I'm not used to doing people doing me favors like that. and to make things even crazier, the guy that came out for me is the guy that owns the Tron infrastructure for all of Florida. So I just had the first guy that, and he didn't know who I was or anything like that.

1:12:37He just came out out of the kindness of his heart. He drove a half hour. I found out where he lived because I came to go pick up that equipment from him later in the day and super grateful for that. But the guy hooked me up and spent time that he didn't need to spend. And I recommend if you go out and buy one of these things, Make sure you Google the state that you live in and join a community of some sort if you need help setting it up because it's not hard or anything, but just to get advice from people that have already been doing it. I already researched for around here. It's configured best for this location, but if you have any questions, obviously call me.

1:13:14How do you turn it off? You can hold both buttons, but it doesn't actually go off. It goes into like a sleep mode. Oh, right on.

1:13:26damn thank you man no problem i wouldn't say i'm gonna frame it but you should use that one keep that one i am and especially because of the way like you know without going into detail you live high enough to reach far right on yeah uh what else do we got um this one and i'm trying to speed through because i don't want to make this too long don't speed through it this is good shit So this is called a screen crab. And a screen crab, if you notice here, it's got an HDMI on one side and an HDMI on this side. And basically this little antenna broadcasts a signal. So I could put this behind a computer monitor, put this behind a TV, more importantly, a computer monitor.

1:14:10And then there's an SD card slot in here on this side right here that stores a ridiculous amount of footage, like way more footage than you would imagine, because it compresses the video. And this will be in line, so you can spy on somebody's computer screen. And if you put IT use only, do not unplug, and put it on a post-it note or something, stick this behind the computer, who's going to remove this? Nobody. Most people are just going to ignore it. So I thought this was a cool little covert spy gadget that most people, who's looking behind their monitor either? You know, like it's just a cool little gadget to have, especially when you're doing a physical pen test and you want to watch people go through their internal systems and see their internal communications, if you can get this thing in there, then you can stand outside their office and wirelessly watch it or store it to the SD card and then watch it later.

1:15:04You can hook that up wirelessly? Yeah, that's what this is. So I could take the footage that's stored on the SD card and download it wirelessly or watch it wirelessly live. Wow. Yeah, I would have to be in range of it, though. Gotcha. So that's the screen crab. And then this is called the land turtle. And the land turtle, the way I have mine configured, at least, is the second I plug this into USB, so if I went into one of your offices and I plugged this into one of their computers, it's going to immediately try to connect back to my server at my house and give me a connection to this device. And then from this device, I can try to pivot from this device to your other devices on the network because this is a mini computer inside of here.

1:15:50So it's, without going into, because it's nerdy stuff, without going into the details, I can use this device to pivot onto other devices, to other devices, to other ones, and then, you know, I could be a million miles away from you and still have access to this because it's connecting directly back to me. Shit. Yeah, and Hack5 makes, that's the name of the company, they gave me a bunch of cool stuff. That's where the guy you interviewed, Mike Grover. Yeah. He works with them with his OMG cable. No kidding. Yeah. And this, another guy gave as a gift, J-Lo Hacks, or J-Blo Hacks, he's got an interesting name, and another guy, yeah, J-Bo Hacks, hold on, sorry, I got your name wrong, J-Bo, J-Bo Hacks, and another guy created this, and ZR Kraken is their usernames.

1:16:47They created this thing called the Nyan Box, which is 3D printed, but it is very capable. It does a lot of what this device did, like the dual ESP, but the Nyan Box does Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, and then it does jamming as well, which jamming is a federal crime. so but people can still do it doesn't mean people aren't going to commit that federal crime so you could jam which i'll show you here i can choose hold on give me a second here i get into the actual jammers yeah i have wlan jammer meaning i can jam wi-fi networks you see that on the top there yeah so i can jam your wi-fi network right now and if any of these cameras are hooked up to Wi-Fi, it's going to knock them offline.

1:17:42Like, not using that D-auth attack I was talking about earlier, just broadcast, very similar to the Chinese, broadcasting the same frequency at such a high, like, I guess, what's the better way to explain it? It's flooding the air with so much garbage on the same frequency that it doesn't know how to communicate anymore. That's what jamming, that's how it works. And then there's all kinds of cool features that are, I'm skipping over but there's actually one in here that has protocol kill here we go, kill wifi kill video cameras like meaning wireless cameras, doorbells kill RC like drones RC cars anything that uses a remote controller just kill that frequency Bluetooth, Bluetooth low energy USB wireless like USB mice and keyboards.

1:18:39This is for... what does he have here? Zigbee, that's another protocol. And then nrup24, that's basically the same thing as what I was saying earlier with the keyboard and mice thing, but still a different... It's all of these different things. I can choose which one. So let's say I do wireless camera, I click it, and then I can start that attack, and it will knock those cameras immediately offline. So that's one thing. And then the last thing I'll show you with this device is the Sour Apple attack. So you're on the brand new version of iPhone, right? I'm a little behind here. They just came out the new one.

1:19:19Like you're at least above version 18. Yeah, yeah. Okay, so I'm not gonna break your phone. All right, so I just enabled Sour Apple. Do me a favor and unlock your phone real quick. You can even put it in airplane mode. It's not gonna change anything. It's an airplane. It already is? Join this Apple TV. Yep, here, keep hitting X. You're in airplane mode right now. Connecting. I hit... You're in airplane mode right now, so... You shouldn't be getting any connections, right? Apple TV keyboard, password auto... Keep going. Wireless audio sync. Yeah, I just gotta transfer things that little... OpSec mistakes that Apple makes right there that I could have pop up on someone's screen.

1:20:05Transfer phone number. AirPods. Set up Apple Vision Pro. But it makes it so your phone is unusable, even if you're in airplane mode. And the only way to avoid that is to go into settings and disable Bluetooth. Not from the control center or in airplane mode. You got to go in your settings and turn Bluetooth off. I just assumed, and I think most people do, when you turn airplane mode off, your phone is turning all channels off, but it's not. So this just disrupts just about anything that's wireless. Well, that one, I did the attack towards the phone, but I do have some ways that I could do it with Windows computers or Android phones.

1:20:45I have different attacks, but yeah. Yeah, it makes it... The older versions, it crashes the phone completely. The beta version of the newest version for iPhone, like iOS 26, it was crashing that too. But the newest version, it's not. It's just... It makes your phone unusable, like with so many... You can't use it with that many notifications popping up. I want one of these too. Yeah, I can ask them to send you one. They 3D printed it for me.

1:21:14Do you ever think about, you know, when you're working with Sentinel Foundation in another country and you're going at your hunt predators, I mean, do you ever, I'm just curious, do you ever run the jammer so that nobody can tap into your phones, nobody can listen in, nobody can do any of that while you're having like a face-to-face conversation? Let's say you guys are doing your brief. So we use Faraday bags. So I haven't had, like, I've never had to do that with a jammer. But we do throw stuff in Faraday bags. And, I mean, you see me, I'm nuts with it. I put my laptop in a Faraday bag. I have, like, that's actually something I'll bring up.

1:21:52I know I'll save the rest of it for the end. But the, like, we donated in collaboration with this company, we donated 130 something recently to law enforcement in Peru and the reason why these bags are important for phones like for like if no one knows a Faraday bag if you're unfamiliar for the people that are watching it just blocks signals from going in and out so when let's say there's a predator or a trafficker and they get arrested and the phone gets seized right you put their phone just like this in the bag and then now now it is locked this phone has zero signal right now, it's not getting in or out of the bag.

1:22:32So let's say you're law enforcement, and you are trying to make sure that that evidence stays intact. You now have the ability with Apple, with iCloud, with Android, you can wipe that phone remotely. So before they even get back to the station, somebody could wipe that phone and all your evidence is gone. But if you keep that phone in a Faraday bag, then your evidence stays preserved. And, you know, one thing Sentinel did recently was make sure that law enforcement was equipped with these bags because they're cheap. And, you know, certain companies are more expensive. This one's a little more than others.

1:23:06They're just a nice brand. But there's other brands that are, you know, like$10 a bag,$20 a bag. And that could be the difference between a guy doing, you know, no time in prison or, you know, the rest of his life. Yeah. So I think they're very important. Yeah, let's take a break. My days don't slow down. Between work, the gym, and time with the kids, I need eyewear that can keep up with everything I've got going on. And that's why I trust Roka. I've tried plenty of shades before, but these stand out. They're built for performance without sacrificing style. I've put them through it all. On the range, out on the water, and off-road.

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1:26:17Once again, that's uscca.com slash SRS. Do it. all right ryan we're back from the break but uh now we're going to get into some heavy stuff on why you came here we're going to pick up with some childhood stuff we're going to talk about some cyber security and then we're going to get into everything you're doing now and and more specifically the 764 satanic cult but before we do a couple things you know everybody gets a gift even though I already gave you one but some things never change around here Ryan are they still legal in 50 states? RFK hasn't you know kicked them off the off the shelves I don't know how you're getting away with this me neither all kinds of toxic shit in there but it does taste good and there's no drugs in there so that's good but they're still legal in all 50 states but uh and then you know about patreon we got patreon community they've been with us since the beginning and and um you know i always give them credit they're the reason that i get to sit here with you today well i let me say something before you say that so the patreon group one of your staff members showed me some of the amazing comments because i guess you guys put a post out saying like ryan montgomery's coming back on if you have any questions and there was he said three times the amount of comments that he's ever seen which was heartwarming for me obviously so i was like i want to go on there and thank them so i opened up my phone and i guess since i'm a five dollar a month member and i'm not i don't have enough to ask a question or whatever i couldn't see my own post and uh and i'm in the middle of us talking like you know but prior to our breaks and and my phone's and i'm like come on please microphone do not be picking this vibration up And I thought people were texting me or calling me, but it's your Patreon going wild right now.

1:28:14No shit. Yeah, yeah. So if anyone hears any vibrations, it's the Patreon people just being extremely supportive. So thank you, guys. Right on, man. So one of the things I do, obviously, you just kind of brought it up there, but we offer them the opportunity to ask each and every guest a question. So this is from Jeff Bishop. What are ways that someone aspiring to get into white hat hacking can get experience? What technology can average Americans use to protect themselves or become more efficient in cybersecurity for day-to-day life? Okay, so I think the first thing that comes to mind is using all of the resources that are available right now, like Capture the Flag platforms.

1:28:59So there's a few of them. Obviously, I favorite TryHackMe because that's the one that I, you know, I'm quote unquote number one on. I'm number one on their leaderboard, but number one on their platform or whatever. I love TryHackMe, and I'll explain why in a second. But there's TryHackMe, there's Hack the Box, there's Portswigger Academy. There's a bunch of them. Even the name is slipping me right now, but a good friend of mine, Nahamsek, has his own platform that he's building out. Look him up. But there's a ton of awesome platforms you can learn on that not only are capture the flag style, meaning like you have to get, you know, you have to solve a challenge and get the flag before somebody else and you get more points where it's more competitive.

1:29:41There's walkthroughs that teach you just the basics of networking or the basics of how to use Windows, how to use Mac, how to use Linux, how to use a cell phone, how do you do forensics on a cell phone? How do you, you know, you name the category, there's a walkthrough for it on try hack me, hack the box, etc. And I would recommend as somebody, let's say you've never touched a computer, excuse me, never touched a computer in your life. You join one of these platforms, you click the complete beginner tab, you start going down each one of those tasks individually. Some of them are going to be boring, but the cool thing is a lot of them are hands on.

1:30:17So not only are you reading, but you're learning as you go through each category. And you're seeing the result of what you've done. So one of them is, I remember on TryHackMe, in the beginning, I brought a lot of people onto that platform. And I don't own it or anything, but I like the platform. One of the first ones is hacking a bank. So it's a fake bank that they have set up. And your goal is to transfer funds from one account to your account. and it shows the vulnerability in that specific case of how you would move the funds over, but they explain it in such a simple way that anyone can understand.

1:30:52Interesting. And then it gets progressively harder, but anything that gets harder, you've already learned in previous steps. So this whole website is like an education for people wanting to hack. So half of it is that, and then the other half is competitive hacking, where already experienced hackers are competing to get the first, like the first, it's called first bloods, but meaning like the highest level of permissions on that computer. And the reason why I got first place and why I have the most points is because I got that first bloods on almost all of the three challenges a week for six months straight.

1:31:30And you get double the points per question that you answer if you're the first person to answer it. So that's why I ended up in first position. I have like a 20 ,000 point lead. and the funny thing is they had to change their whole point system because of me. So now when you, like they have weekly leagues now where like there's a bronze league, they're going all that, like Sapphire, Diamond, and then like there's a weekly winner based on your point numbers and then once you go to the overall leaderboards, it defaults to the monthly leaderboard, whoever's winning for the month, and then if you click a button that says all time and it defaults to the country you're in.

1:32:09So whoever's the first number one in that country. And then if you click that and you go to all countries, then you see me at the top. So you got to go through four steps to see that I'm number one on the platform. Damn. Whereas before it was just, you didn't even have to be signed into the website. You could just click leaderboards and you'd see I was at the top. But they changed it because I get it. It's not motivating to the users if there's no way that they can overtake me unless they spend five plus years and I quit. I understand why they did it, but it was funny to say the least. And the reason why I bring up Triacme and all these other platforms is it's a great place for you to learn, great place for you to join a community, which as I've talked about in the past, is the foundation of how I've learned.

1:32:54Community, mentors, people, you know, actually spending time. And I, you know, I'm not, I was never scared to ask questions. And thankfully, like I was talking about with the the mesh tastic radios um and off the grid communications like those people are all a lot of them are ham radio guys like they super willing to help you just have to ask nicely and and try to be part of their community they don't expect anything in return from you and um it's the same goes for these these cyber security platforms so highly recommend that he does that and um and while learning offense i think that offense is your best defense no kidding yeah because if you know how to attack, you know how to defend.

1:33:36So it's being aware is one thing, but knowing how that attack works in the first place means you know how to defend against it. So it kind of answers the question, I think, in both ways. So what is something for people that aren't going to learn how to attack, for people that aren't tech savvy, what is something that they can do to take cybersecurity more seriously? I think educating themselves, watching videos, then if they don't want to go through learning anything about it, like on a hands-on level, learning by just listening to people like myself, watching some of my PSA videos, I like to call them, because they're short, like 15, 30-second videos where I just talk about an important topic.

1:34:20This is what the danger is. This is what you can do to fix it. And I keep it really short, simple to the point. You could do that. you could google like how can i stop hackers from hacking my wi-fi or you know watch a youtube video on it and maybe there's something like if you buy this new router there's currently no vulnerabilities you know like that's i guess the simplest way i can put it but like if you don't say just watching your instagram tiktok feed i mean it's you started putting out these videos after our after our interview three years ago i go crazy but i mean it's everything from talking about the bark app you know for parents to erasing your your your your your residence off google earth racing your address like there's a ton of like really good information on all of your social media pages that are i mean it's just good stuff that a lot of people don't think about I genuinely appreciate it.

1:35:19And like, you know, for me... It's simple, too. You make it simple. I try to. And that pissed off so many of the neckbeards, like the cybersecurity guys out there that, you know... You know what? I'll go into this because it's important to me. When I was a young kid, I was bullied like crazy. I was bullied because I looked different, I acted different. I didn't really fit in. And when I say bullied, I don't mean just them hurting my feelings by saying things to me and, you know, whatever. I was, you know, physically, I didn't grow up in the greatest areas, didn't go to the greatest schools. And I'll get into more of that, too.

1:35:56But, you know, I was bullied on a level that most kids wouldn't make it through, you know. And I coped with it in my own ways. But I, I'm sorry. The, I'm missing, I forgot what I was going to say again. It happened to me again. Bullied. You were getting bullied. Yeah, I was getting bullied, but what was I originally bringing up why I'm being bullied? What were we talking about before that? Sorry, I just lost my train of thought because I was trying to think of something else. Crap, man. Well, we could sit here all day and try to figure it out. No, you asked me a question, though. You asked me a question, and it was...

1:36:37This is important. What can people do? I was talking about your page. I said it's... Anybody looking to learn more about... The cyber security scumbags. So if you can... Neck beards. Yeah, the neck beards. So if you... I mean, I would really appreciate if you cut that out. Because I want them to know. I don't want them to make fun of the fact that I couldn't remember that I was making fun of them. But, uh... So these neck beards... When I was getting bullied like crazy as a kid, you know, like, on another level, getting, like, you know, the crap beaten out of me all the time by multiple people getting jumped, you know, and moving all over the place, different schools, never finding a safe place.

1:37:18The one safe place that I found was the internet. I had the cybersecurity community, the little one that existed back then, which was AOL Instant Messenger and IRC. That was it. There was nothing more than that. In the beginning, slowly a couple things started to come out, but they were the nicest people to me. That's where I felt the most at home. That's where I felt the safest. That's what made me happy at the end of the day. and uh and you know like i think bryce actually said it said it well he said like you know kids go around every day but they come home and rule the world and and that's that's what it felt like to me you know it felt like a community and it felt like maybe maybe it's a bad way to put it but it felt powerful you know something that i didn't feel as a kid and um and then for me to come on to this show and start talking about gadgets and talking about cyber security and trying to simplify it on purpose like you know and and i never claimed to be the best hacker in the world never did any of those things for them to say what they've said about me and treat me the way they've treated me over the last three years it's very disheartening man i mean now i know i have a lot of support out there i have a lot of love out there from people but it isn't it isn't the cyber security community it's far from the cyber security community they they've showed me how ruthless they are how divided they are how opinionated they are how uh you know like i like Like I said, they're neckbeards, they're actually tight.

1:38:41I just can't handle it. I don't want, and I, it really bothered me in the beginning. All of my insecurities, they, they validated, you know, which I understood. Like, I understand I have two different ears. One's going one way than the other. I understand I have a dysfunction in my jaw where my jaw doesn't open wide enough. I understand that I'm skinny. I understand that, you know, one of my eyes is lower than the other one. Stop staring at my face, dude. You know, like you're the one watching me. You know, I don't care. But I did, though. I'm not going to lie and say it didn't bother me, but it did bother me at first.

1:39:14It genuinely did, and I care. Now, like I said to you earlier, I don't know if it's going to make it into the show or not, but I intentionally want to aggravate them, make the title number one ethical hacker. I seriously couldn't give a crap less in the nicest way possible. And yeah, so thankfully, I see that the 99.99 % that aren't cybersecurity people they seem to be getting along with me well and that makes me feel very good and happy and grateful and you know it's just once you get on to Reddit and Twitter like where the neckbeards live where they sit in their little basements on their computers mad at the world I just don't want any part of it it's lonely at the top Ryan I guess so man you're figuring that out figuring it out but you're doing great they'll love the gadgets and love them telling me how this one's wrong or that's wrong.

1:40:11It's like, shut up, dude. Nobody cares. That's the truth. Yeah. Yeah. Dude, you can't listen to those fucking people, man. They don't have anything better to do. We spent maybe an hour about it last night. You gotta think. They have nothing better to do than to sit there and talk shit about you. not get better at hacking not better their life not go make a better living not go get a fucking girlfriend or a boyfriend they just want to fuck with you that's exactly right that's how pathetic their existence is they're going to waste all of their time talking shit about you on the internet and you will never even fucking meet them that's exactly right and even if I do meet them I'm not going to know who they are Sean because they hide behind aliases They go out of their way to watch the videos.

1:41:02They make an account, set up a fake email, confirm the email, put a fake profile picture, if they even do that, leave a comment, send a message, do whatever they do. You're spending more time on me than I am on you. Who is the loser, bro? It's absolutely mind-blowing. But then, like I said to you yesterday, I go to these hacker conventions, like 30 ,000 people there. I've gone to some that are smaller, but Defcon, the last, I spoke, I did the keynote the last four years straight. Even prior to our first episode, I did the keynote with, it's called Red Team Village. Not one time out of 30 ,000 plus people has anyone come up to my face and said something negative.

1:41:42And I'm not exaggerating when I say I've taken over 1 ,000 pictures every single year, other than the first year, of course, because nobody knew who I was. But last three years, 1 ,000 pictures, easy. Lines of people. Not an ego thing, it's just fact. not one of them said a negative word to me and it's like i guess maybe because i grew up in a different spot a little harder than some of these people but like like i if you got if you're going to talk like behind a screen and you're going to say it to my face like be ready to think you know i i'm not a violent person don't get me wrong but like if you come at me i'm i'm coming back at you i'm i grew up in a spot where that's that's where that's how things go i'm never going to attack somebody for no reason but if you're gonna say what you're saying to me online and threaten me and my family and all these things then you better in real life do the same thing yeah so i'm not claiming to be big bad or anything like that but i'm not i'm not just gonna sit back and let somebody bully me or take advantage of me as a grown man it's not happening that's the nicest way i can put it sorry i said it's all good man it's can't pay attention to these fucking people i don't i really don't and i wanted to make it clear that i did and i don't care anymore and now it's just entertaining for me let's let's move on with the interview you ready i am ready all right we left some stuff out in childhood last time yep we did what did we leave out so this is so all right i made it pretty clear had a serious drug addiction at a very young age um and so did most of my family on my dad's side not my mom's side my dad's side and unfortunately lost a ton of them, lost a ton of friends.

1:43:24I talked about that a little bit the last time. Since our last interview, I've lost three more family members. And I showed you actually today what my cousin on my dad's side is on one of those random street interviews, you know, whacked out on fentanyl. And it's, you know, it's my, so just the reason why I say that is I grew up with drugs as a serious problem around me at almost all times, friends and family. And my mom's side of the family was probably one of the most valuable pieces because I didn't have that really as much of a problem on that side. When I was really young, though, just kind of skipping right into a story, I was probably 11 years old.

1:44:11And I'm hanging out with the bad kids in the neighborhood, you know, and I won't name them, but there was three of them. And we decided that we wanted to grow some weed. And I, you know, that wasn't a hardcore drug or anything. Like, as an 11-year-old it is, but like, whatever the case is, we decided we wanted to grow some weed. And I hate weed. I can't stand it. The feeling makes me freak out. There's no weed on this planet I've ever had a good reaction to. So, never liked weed, but I liked the idea of growing it. I don't know why, maybe because I'm a nerd. We agree that we're going to move these plants, these little baby plants between all of our houses and try not to get caught by our parents, of course, you know, because that wouldn't be good.

1:44:56One of the kids, skipping a ton of details, one of the kids tells his mom that I have the plants at my house. The mom hated me already, and the mom calls the local police. Police call my mom. My mom gets brought into the station with me. they happened to do some stuff some type they committed some crime and the cops are accusing me of this crime and then i had nothing to do with it and then they had my mom kind of cornered and and confused and and like letting letting her know like hey we know about these weed plants that you have in your house just let us know about it we'll take care of it and they convinced my mom that there's there's no big deal like you know they're just going to come by and pick up the plants and it's going to be over with like that's what they had my mom thinking i'm 11 i can't tell my mom that's a lie 11 yeah you're growing pot at 11 yeah holy shit dude it wasn't a crazy operation but they made it out to be so what ended up happening was we're at the police station sitting there with my mom my mom believes that they're the cops are just going to come in there and they gave my mom two options either let us come pick it up or we'll sit out front and wait until a warrant you know blah blah blah and then like a warrant comes in and then we can go in and get them.

1:46:06So either way, you're giving up the plants. It's basically what they put my mom in the position of. And she was unaware of this situation. It's not like my mom's like, yeah, grow weed in the house. You know, it wasn't like a thing. And I'm just a little boy. The cops promised my mom that they're not going to make a spectacle out of it. It's not going to be a thing. They just want to get the plants out. She believes it. They come. They take the plants. The whole neighborhood's outside. They're taking the plants. They're little plants, but they're, you know, maybe this tall. there's a bunch of little baby plants that are just little they're called like there's the germination stage like after the seeds start to grow a little root like and you just see a little piece of plant coming out of the soil like most of them were like that and then there was like two or three of them that were like this tall and the cops bring them outside with no bags covering them the whole neighbors embarrassing the crap out of my mom at that time and the cops charge me with possession with intent to deliver, um, with, for, for that, like, as a, as a drug dealer, um, they charged me with cultivating marijuana, and, and the charge, it was something to do with vandalism or something, but something I had nothing to do with, with the other kids.

1:47:17I wasn't even involved in it, but they charged me with it anyway, and that, uh, that was my first time ever getting in trouble, but that turned into probation. That didn't turn into any type of, uh, facilities or any type of detention centers or anything like that. This was just, probation where I had to go pee in a cup with a juvenile probation officer who, you know, was strict but wasn't anything like what I'm going to get into later. And, uh, you know, when you're that young, you're doing the wrong thing, you're in the wrong areas, you're hanging out with people that are doing serious drugs, um, like, because I was 11 years old, I was hanging out with bad people, I started doing more, you know, more, what's the word for it?

1:48:02Sorry. After, you know, being on probation, you're at way higher risk of getting in more trouble because you have to check in if you don't show up on time, if you pee in a cup and you fail for a different drug or any drug for that matter. If you don't do anything correctly, you're getting a violation and you're going to juvenile detention, bare minimum, and then sent to a rehab, residential program, or whatever. And whatever they want to do to you, they're going to do to you. So I get in trouble way more times with different drugs and being on probation. I'm failing drug tests. I'm in school, getting in trouble, getting caught with drugs.

1:48:42And, you know, all of these... What... How old were you when you started drugs? 11. You started at age 11? I started messing with various drugs at 11, like including weed, you know, and alcohol and all the, like, you know, just stuff that people usually start around 15, you know, 14, 15. Not that it's okay to start at that age, but that's the average based on, I think, what I know.

1:49:09The ecstasy and all of that stuff started very, very soon after just the experiment, experimentation phase. Don't even really count weed as the experimentation phase because I hated it from the beginning. It freaked me out so bad that I couldn't even smoke this stuff. But for whatever reason, I loved ecstasy, as I told you the first time. And then the comedown of ecstasy sucked so bad that when somebody introduced me to opioids, the comedown, it made it way easier. And then I realized I liked the opioids better than I liked the ecstasy. And that's why I stopped going to the raves and all that stuff in Philly like we talked about.

1:49:44So all of that's happening. And I'm failing drug tests for opiates and benzos and amphetamines because of other situations I'm going to get into. But this is all in a very, because remember, my drug problems were 11 to 17. So it wasn't that long, but a lot happened in that short period of time, if that makes sense. So long story short on that, I'm on probation. She violates me and I end up in the juvenile detention center time after time after time for all these different stupid petty crimes, all revolving around drugs, nothing violent, nothing anything other than, you know, I'm not saying what I did was right, but like stealing stuff or having, like I got it.

1:50:23Self-harm, it was all self-harm stuff. Yeah, all stuff that I was doing to myself, but then the only thing that wasn't was, was actually a pretty crazy story that I'll tell you, was, which actually goes into another one with my dad, a guy who was a grown man who was married to a grown woman who was actually even twice his age, was picking me and those kids up in the neighborhood at a very young age, 12, 13 years old, picking us up 1, 2 o 'clock in the morning. I remember we had a ladder on the side of my bedroom window, and he would pick us up, and we'd get in his car. He would drive us to all these different cities in Pennsylvania, and he would park at the end of the block, and we would just go check all the door handles down the block for each car and see all the change, the GPSs, like back then GPSs were in everyone's cars.

1:51:13and, you know, if they, like, go into their glove box and see if they had emergency gas money in there and whatever they had that was worth something, we would take it, we'd give it to him, and then at one point he would, you know, he would sell the stuff. So what I found out later about this guy, and I'm wrong for that, it was fueling a drug addiction at this time because, you know, remember at this age I'm doing opioids, they're very expensive, and then that turned into heroin, and we've already talked about that story, so I'm trying to skip that. But the guy, the craziest part about this is at one time he tells me, hey man, take home some of this stuff.

1:51:50So I took home a ton of the stolen merchandise, and at one point he had a revolver in his bedroom. And I was like, you know, I never had a gun before, never shot a gun before at that time. And he gives me this revolver. There wasn't any bullets or anything, but he gave me the revolver. and I had this and I had all of this stolen merchandise. And the next morning, it's boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. You hear just knocking at the door like loud. Like it sounded like the SWAT team was at my house. The cops are at the door, guns out. My family, my mom, my stepdad at the time, sat at the door and they, you know, they see guns out.

1:52:28So it's like obviously serious. And they're like, where's the gun? Where's the gun? They know about the gun. And I didn't tell anyone about the gun. So they go right up into my bedroom. They know exactly where this gun's at. They go right to grab all the stolen merchandise. I get charged with 110 counts of receiving stolen property. I get a weapons charge for the revolver, even though I had no bullets or whatever. I wasn't planning on using it, but I had it. I find out this guy that's been picking us up every night was an informant for a completely different case. So this guy's committing crimes while he's an informant with children.

1:53:04He's using children to rob cars to fuel his addiction while he's a police informant. And so him and his wife end up in the newspaper. His name's Thomas James Gallagher, who actually just got arrested recently for, unfortunately, murdering an 18-year-old girl in a DUI situation. But yeah, so he did that later in life. But what he did to me was wrong, too. But he was in the papers for that, too. and uh it was called like kitty kitty car thieves or something was the title of the news article and whatever the case is the guy has he must have had some really bad luck because he ends up on the same block as my dad and my dad is very different looking than i am like we have similar eyes and like features but my dad is like a six foot gorilla like bald head like very different than me and um And my dad finds out that he is TJ Gallagher on the block.

1:54:03And he's talking about like, you know, I know your son, blah, blah, blah. My dad punches him right in his jaw, breaks his jaw in the George W. Hill Correctional Facility. His jaw got wired shut. They transferred my dad to a state prison to get him away from this guy. and my dad was sticking out. I mean, as much as my dad has gone, like I said, the last time has done drugs and has been in and out of jail and done some dumb things in my life, like my dad cares about me. It's just drug addiction is tough. And I lost, you know, my family to it. I lost, you know, his most, like my sister, Ariana, she's my half sister, but I call her my sister and my brother Danny.

1:54:45Their mother Lauren, which was my dad's like kind of basically his wife, and their parents, she passed from an overdose you know semi-recently and a lot of people have passed recently. But my dad, the reason why I say that is he has a lot of problems at the moment. He just got hit on, he was on an electric scooter. He got hit at 65 miles an hour by a car and he broke almost everything from his stomach down to his ankles. And if you've seen the pictures, it would blow your mind that he's alive. My dad, on the other hand, has been shot, stabbed, lit on fire, and now hit by a car. And I could tell you each one of those stories individually, and he's still alive.

1:55:30The man has a wild story within itself. It's just still happening current day. My dad's story's not over. It's still live action, you know? Um, but my dad has always cared about me and he loves me. I know that, but it's really hard to be present as a father for, you know, 32 years when your main focus is alcohol and drugs. And if you're in prison or jail, even if you're in jail, at least for that case, he was in jail for something, but then he got more time for breaking that dude's jaw. Like, I know he loves me. I know he cares about me, but it was tough. Going back to another time my dad went to jail, though, and the bullying scenario, there was this kid named Charlie.

1:56:13I won't say his last name because I don't want to embarrass him because he's probably older now and doesn't want, you know, probably very different than he was when I was a little boy. But in the middle of all this bullying, this kid Charlie, his parents were really rough on him and weren't letting him stay at the house. So I was letting him stay at my house, but my mom hated him. My mom didn't want him around because she heard bad things about him from other parents. And I just lied about his name and never told her his real name. So she called him a fake name for a long time. Out of nowhere, the kids that were bullying me got him to join the I Hate Ryan group.

1:56:50And, you know, it was all over something stupid. If I can remember, it was about like a fake hit of acid that was sold that, like, I don't even remember doing, to be honest with you. But all of these people just wanted to hate me. and they wanted to arrange this fight to happen at this park. And the goal was for me to fight Charlie one-on-one. So a guy that was my friend, that I was giving a place to sleep every night, you know, at risk of me getting in trouble for lying about who he was for a while. Now he wants to fight me. So I'm like, all right, dude, let's go. My mom freaks out about it, of course, because she's my mother.

1:57:24And she calls my dad, which she never would do unless it's an emergency. Because my mom and my dad are like very different people, oil and water. You know, my mom is just an angel, never did drugs, never got in trouble, very different person. Calls my dad, my dad shows up to, you know, and he's, he's wasted, he's on drugs, he's with my sister and brother's mom, Lauren at the time, who passed, but she was wasted, had one of those big plastic cups full of vodka and Coca-Cola, like exactly what you'd imagine it to be. And they want to come with me while I fight this kid one-on-one to make sure everything's fair.

1:58:04And I was like, okay, you know, that's all right if you want to do that. We show up at this park. No exaggeration to you, Sean. I'm not even embellishing this. There were 40 kids at this park that were trying to come at me. Like, there's a basketball court in the back of the park, and then it's just a lot of, like, walkway up to it. It's like playground. There's a creek in the, you know, and then in the back was a basketball court. There was no exaggeration, 40 kids there. So the goal was to fight Charlie one-on-one and I was willing to do that. My dad comes up, he sees that I'm about to get attacked by a bunch of kids at the same time and he just starts swinging on kids.

1:58:39Like he's punching all of these kids. He threw one into a bike, hit his head on a, you know, a peg on a bicycle. One of them like into the basketball court thing, like he hits Charlie, all these kids. Charlie's mom drives by after, she's screaming out the window, like, F you, F to my mom. Like, it was a disaster. My dad gets arrested for beating up kids, obviously. That was two years for that, for me, even though I didn't ask him to go fight a bunch of kids. What he didn't realize, even though he thought he was doing something good for me, and he stopped me from getting jumped by 40 people, and, you know, he tried to do what he thought a father would do in that scenario, but what happened was everybody now hated me even because I got my dad to go beat somebody up or beat everybody up for me, which I didn't.

1:59:25But it looked that way at the time. So it forced me out of that school. It forced me out of that town. And my dad had to do two years in prison for it. And, you know, he's never thrown it in my face. Like, as much as I said, my dad's a piece of work. He really is. He's surprising sometimes when it comes to those things. But I love him to death, I do, but he's not my mom. They're very different people, you know? And like I said, my grandfather was like a father figure to me my whole life, where I had stability with him. Whose side? Mom's side or dad's side? My mom's side. My dad's side, my grandfather was macheted to death in Florida.

2:00:07Yeah, man. So my uncle Michael, my dad's brother, stabbed to death in Chichester, PA. my grandfather macheted to death on my dad's side in in florida um my my uh uncle richie overdoses on uh on fentanyl when it comes out by snorting it not by injecting it um uncle richie's daughter just was on that interview all of the other families still currently on drugs uh one of our long like my dad's long-term uh family friends just passed a couple days ago three days ago named Paul Lozak. He just passed, uh, overdose, most likely, but not 100 % sure. So I don't want to say that in stone. I know his dad's a, like, I just, I don't want to embarrass the family.

2:00:49So actually maybe my aunt, they dealt with all of that, you know, losing all their kids. And my aunt grew up with, with some birth defects and she didn't make it very long. She died, uh, a couple of, in between our, our interviews within a month or so of my grandmother passing on my dad's side. So we had a double funeral and almost everyone except maybe two people at the funeral were high, maybe three. Yeah, it's sad, man, but that's what Philadelphia and the surrounding cities look like right now. That is like some serious generational trauma. Yeah, I mean, there's so much more to the crime stuff too.

2:01:29So I want to get into that and I don't want to cut you off at all. I just wanted to finish that real quick. It's just the You're like, I don't want to make my dad look bad. That's not why I'm on here, because I really don't. Like, I know that in a different world, in a different circumstance, he would not be the way that he is. And if he could beat addiction, and maybe one day he will, I know that he will be just as caring as I will be when I have my first kid. But as of right now, I know he loves me, and I can't change him as a person. I love it. So I guess I'll keep it at that with him. And I'll get back into the legal stuff when you're done.

2:02:09I'm on a tangent. No, it's fine, man. It's fine. I mean, you know, one question, I mean, growing up with that and still dealing with that side of the family and all the addiction. And I mean, I'm kind of curious, you know, and you've owned recovery centers. Are you still involved in recovery at all? No, I mean, I've never claimed to, like, well, at one point, you know, I talked about how many years I was clean and all that. I don't do drugs. I don't drink. I don't smoke weed. So, technically, yeah, I'm in recovery or clean if you define it in those words. But I don't practice it. So, I wouldn't go to, like, an AA meeting or NA meeting and feel confident saying, like, I am something I'm not.

2:02:51That's not what I meant. I meant, are you still involved in helping people recover? Indirectly, yes. So, like, if somebody wants help, if somebody, like, for example, if my cousin that was just recorded in a street interview said, hey, I want to go to rehab, I have the connections that could put her in a place, insurance or not, I'll make sure she gets help. And I do that all the time if people need help. So, in that regard, yes. I own a healthcare company. I want to go into all the details because it's a whole irrelevant story, but we audit charts for behavioral health, and we do a great job at it.

2:03:23So it's still indirectly helping rehab stay afloat, do well, helping people that are in treatment stay in treatment without their insurance kicking them out to the street. So yeah, indirectly, yes, not directly anymore. You know, where I'm going with this is, I mean, the fentanyl epidemic is massive. It's huge. Huge. I mean, hundreds of thousands of people are dying from it.

2:03:52Having been through it, having been through recovery, you know, and we talked a lot about this. I mean, you lost your best friend growing up. I lost my best friend. We shared that story. There's this flag up there, you know, and I mean, yeah. And so, you know, I mean, where I'm going with this is everybody knows somebody that's addicted to heroin, fentanyl, opiates, you know, one narcotic or another. And the addiction problem just seems to be getting worse and worse and worse. And so somebody has as much experience as you have. I mean, what is your advice for somebody who has a loved one who is addicted to heroin, fentanyl, meth, anything?

2:04:36My advice. Anything that's going to ruin their life. And the reason I'm asking is I see, you know, I almost did it. I mean, you will see people with a loved one who's suffering from an addiction like that. Their life, they will ruin their own life. Oh, yeah. trying to save somebody who doesn't want to be saved. And so that's kind of what I'm asking, you know, how do you? Totally understand what you're saying. And, uh, and I wish there was the perfect answer for it, but the, you know, you're, you're going to hear the, the, the common, you know, like they need to want it. Like they need to want to be, be clean, which is true.

2:05:13I believe that they, they have to want to go through it. They want to have a new life. They want to have a new future to stop using. I truly believe that. But on the other hand, they may not realize that they want it because they haven't been clean long enough to realize what the difference is. Because their normal is high, or their normal is what they believe is sober, is high. So for them to want it would be pretty difficult. The only time they may want it is when they're sick, when they're withdrawing. So I think that, you know, forcing them to, because certain states like Florida, we have a Baker Act.

2:05:49If you're a harm to yourself or others, you can be forced into a hospital. I think in certain cases, especially when you're doing this new stuff, it's not just fentanyl. There's xylazine, metatominine, all these tranquilizers that are not even opioids that Narcan can't bring you back from if you're overdosing. If you really, if you want to, you know, like, you may need to, like, those, well, I'm sorry, the tranquilizers, even if you if you're snorting them, if you're swallowing them, they're creating holes in your skin, like that old... I don't know if you've seen Crocodile, like the stuff that people inject, like the cheap heroin.

2:06:27It's not real heroin. These tranquilizers are putting holes in people's arms and legs, and they're walking around Kensington, Philadelphia, looking like zombies with actual legs and arms cut off. What? Yeah, yeah, you can look up videos. It's crazy. So, they're at a point where they're going to die from sepsis or from an abscess or from an infection or septic shock or whatever it ends up being, force them into a hospital, force them to get over the physical withdrawal, get them into a program if you can somehow pull it off and see what happens. But I can't make any promises. Addiction, the only reason that I stopped was because I had enough time away.

2:07:11I was forced. I had no choice. And I want to get into something real quick. So before I got clean, I was still actively using, I got sent to all these different schools. I went to Bucksmont Academy, which was a pet smart that got converted into a school. And there was no walls. It was just a big warehouse that had rolling dividers for the classrooms that you could like reach your hand over and you'd be in the other classroom. That was my high school for ninth grade, I believe it was. And then, like I said, I dropped out going into 10th grade, but I did ninth grade, a place called Bucksmont, which was for bad kids or because I had what was called an IEP.

2:07:53I don't know if you ever heard of it, an individual education plan. It's for kids that have learning disabilities, whether it be you have trouble reading, you have trouble with math, or in my case, it was from trauma or it was called an emotional support IEP. So they realized I wasn't getting along with kids in my school. There's a lot of fights, a lot of problems. So they decided to send me to Bucksmart, which was a Petco or PetSmart, or I think it was a Petco, Petco that was converted into a school. Lots of fighting in there. Lots of, you know, not the greatest education. Some of the teachers met very well, but not the greatest education you could get.

2:08:28And crazily enough, and I know people are going to comment about this and say that I was abused. And maybe it's categorized as that way, but the guidance counselor at Bucks Mount was in college, and I was, you know, like 14. How old would you be in ninth grade? Like 15 or 16? Ninth grade? Yeah. I think you'd be, yeah, 14, 15. Yeah. So she knew, she was my guidance counselor. She knew how old I was because she was my guidance counselor. And she had the nerve to come to my house one day. Her and I were texting, talking to each other at that time inappropriately. And she had the nerve to show up at my house, meet my mother, and go up into my bedroom.

2:09:07And my mom didn't know who she was, so that's why there wasn't a fight about this. But the guidance counselor that worked at the college, like, so she, I guess she was a college student as well as working at Bucksmont. Technically, I would just say, you know, what she did was illegal. I don't recall being traumatized from it. But if I was a girl saying the same thing, I don't think I would agree with anything I'm saying. If a guy was, I know that it doesn't sound right. It doesn't feel... Hold on. What is she saying? What do you mean? What is she saying to you? Who, the guidance counselor? Yeah.

2:09:42I mean, she came to my house in my room. So, like, you know, she was, she, the whole thing. So... She wants to have sex with you. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it was, like, well, it was, yeah. Yeah, I mean, we talked inappropriately, yeah. So if you want to say... Did it go into more than talking? I mean, I'm not trying to get anyone in trouble, but there's another situation that was inappropriate as well with a psychiatrist, ironically. What the... With you? With me, yeah. But it was... Hold on. How old are you? Ninth grade. You're in ninth grade, and you have a guidance counselor wanting to have sex with you, and apparently you guys did some...

2:10:28Maybe you acted on it. Yeah, maybe something happened, but either way, with bare minimum, like a little relationship we had for a short period of time. How did she show up at your house? She drove. To do what? Were you there? I was home, yeah. She came up into my bedroom, and I remember... I have a vivid memory of it. So she shows up to your house as a friend? As a friend, and your mom thinks that maybe this is another ninth grader or somebody younger age? Yeah, she was, yeah. Like, without going into details of who she is, she looked younger. She was in college. Holy shit, dude. Yeah, so technically, legally, what she did was very wrong.

2:11:07I don't feel traumatized from it, nor do I agree with what she did. So don't get me wrong when I say that. But I don't feel like, you know, it's just everybody has their own thing, right? What I do feel a little bit upset about that I thought about later in life that contributed to my addiction problems is because my mom was so against me on being on medications, even before I did drugs, she told the school with that IEP, the individual education, education, individual education plan. She was so adamant that I would be on no medications. She didn't want me on meds. And I understand that. Like meds usually are a bad move for a kid.

2:11:47and the school eventually says he either needs to be on meds or we're putting him somewhere else so my mom sends me to this psychiatrist who is a doctor and she at first gives me some antidepressants and you know nothing too crazy and um i have a bad reaction to one called pristique it was a it's also known as a fexor it's a it's a antidepressant ssri i had a bad reaction made me feel really weird, maybe not feel good at all, like mentally. I stopped taking that med. In between then, if you remember the chat application, Skype, she reached out to me on Skype and told me that her husband, she believes, is cheating on her.

2:12:28And he is gone. He goes to Philadelphia all the time and goes to clubs. And would I mind checking out his computer to see if he was cheating on her and I'm a little boy at this point and I agree to it because it was like okay she's asking me for something this is weird but she's my psychiatrist you know whatever so I agree to do that I go through the computer and now I start to realize like I know more about this woman like I got her logins for things I got like I got all kinds of things that I shouldn't have and I'm addicted to drugs and I can get this psychiatrist to give me whatever I want so I kind abused the situation because she went too far.

2:13:09She shouldn't have made anything personal about that relationship. And there's more to it than that, but I'm gonna keep that personal relationship at where it is. But she ends up prescribing me to... This is the one, I'll tell you exactly what I was prescribed to as a little boy. Three 2-milligram Xanax a day, so 6-milligram Xanax. I was prescribed to one 30-milligram Adderall, 10-milligrams of Ritalin, and 70-milligrams of Vyvanse every single day. What's Vyvan? Vyvan is the same amphetamine. It's called list-dextroamphetamine. And when you take it, the proteins in your liver convert it to dextroamphetamine.

2:13:45So it's just essentially another stimulant. And I was prescribed to three different stimulants at the same time with Xanax while I'm doing heroin. And the psychiatrist knows it. She knows I'm on probation. She knows that I'm a heroin addict. She knows that I have leverage on her because of what she asked me to do and some other inappropriate things that she did. What are the other inappropriate things? I don't want to talk about it on here. Why not? Because I don't want, I don't, it's over, you know? All right. I'll tell you off camera. It's nothing that I'm traumatized by. Are they sexual? It's nothing I'm traumatized by.

2:14:20And it's stuff that I... Right, the reason I'm asking is, I mean, what you're doing right now is going after sexual predators. Yeah. And then you just told me you had an encounter with one, whether you're traumatized by it or not. It's still wrong. It's still wrong. I mean, she went into your home with your mom there, with your mother there, and posed as a fucking friend instead of a guidance counselor. Yes. I mean, this shit's happening all over the world. Yeah, I know. And then again... I minimize it. I get it. I understand I'm minimizing it for myself. And then again, with a psychiatrist. And so, what you say you're not traumatized by, I'm assuming it's another sexual encounter, but these are professionals.

2:15:04And I think it's important to highlight that because that's what we want to do here, right? This interview is to bring out how real this shit is, who's doing it. You know, and the point that I'm making here is it's not somebody from the hood. It's not, or maybe it is. Maybe it is somebody from the hood. Maybe it's somebody from the trailer park. But it's also teachers, doctors, psychiatrists, guidance counselors, police officers. Rabbis, as you just saw. Rabbis, priests. Yep. I mean... State troopers. State troopers. I mean, it's... It is everywhere. It's everywhere. You cannot, like... You cannot profile.

2:15:50It's everywhere. It's the rich. It's the poor. It's every race. Male, female. Male, female. It is everywhere. Yeah. So I just want to clarify because if somebody else was telling this story, I would be going after them. But for whatever reason, internally, I don't care for myself, which I don't know how to answer why. But there is no situation where I think that's okay for anyone else. If that makes sense. Yeah. I know it doesn't make a ton of sense probably to you because you're hearing from the guy. I understand it because you don't feel traumatized by it, which means you are, you are, you know, you're dubbing it down.

2:16:41Yeah, I mean, maybe I don't feel... Because the effects for you weren't, you know, you don't think that they were traumatic. Yeah, well, they didn't take away my trust in women. They didn't take away, like, I don't know. It's just, it's not the average situation for me. But that doesn't mean that I agree with it. Obviously, I'm highly against it. That's what I focus half my life on. So I know it's backwards and almost hypocritical. Well, let me ask you this. I don't want to lie to you and say I'm traumatized, but I don't feel traumatized. Without going into detail, and if you don't have to answer this, but, I mean, did you enjoy it?

2:17:16Yeah. You did enjoy it. Yes. You didn't feel violated. No. You didn't feel affected. No, no. I remember clear as day at 32 years old wanting to. How did those relationships end then? Just, I guess, stop talking, me getting locked up. I mean, I was locked up so many times as a kid. You ended it? I'm sure it just ended. Because I don't remember having to be like, we're over, you know? How old is the psychiatrist? The psychiatrist was substantially older than the... 40s, 50s? 40s, at the time. So, yeah, substantially older. But the guidance counselor was a college student, so not that much older than me, but still an adult.

2:17:57I mean, you know, and then on top of that, like, what kind of fucked up women are these? You know, you got one that's a guidance counselor and another one that's a psychiatrist. And hear me out. You know what I mean? Not only are they not, not only are they targeting a, what, a 14-year-old, 15-year-old? Yeah. They're targeting a 14 or 15-year-old that is fucked up on opiates. Yeah, and with mental health disorders. Stimulants and antidepressants. and it's it's like you were targeted because of the situation that you're in well that's that's from a an outsider looking in i don't feel that way you know so like i get what you're saying and i would feel the same way that you're feeling i just don't feel that way so that's why it's hard for me to comprehend and i don't call it trauma for myself even though everyone i've talked to has has reacted in the same way that you do i just can't lie and say like yeah i'm a victim I'm not, that's not where I'm going.

2:18:54Where I'm going is, is I'm just, you know, I'm shining the light on it. I'm saying, you know, this is prevalent in affluent circles. I know it's wrong, that's why I'm bringing it up. And I didn't bring it up ever before, publicly, ever. Because I didn't want this... I know it's an awkward thing, but... You know, it's over with. It caused the... You know, whatever, if it caused... The only damage that it did cause me was being hooked on all that Xanax. And the amphetamines, it's more in your head. The physical addiction isn't really there with amphetamines. It's more of like a... Like, you want it, and it's hard to function without them.

2:19:34The benzos, on the other hand, taking 6 milligrams of Xanax, it's really, really hard to stop. So for her to give me the max dose that I feel like you could have given a kid at that time, that was a very bad move. And then she even got it, when I went to the detention center, she was making sure I was prescribed to it in the Lyme Detention Center, which was in Delaware County where I grew up. She made sure that I was on all those meds in a jail cell. so like i i was consistently messed up and then eventually i was in lima detention center and a guy named dale he was one of the the guards there who i still talk to current day um dale realizes i'm sleeping every day all day long and he's worried about me he goes to the nurse's station they pull me off the meds but since i was one of if not the only kid ever to be prescribed to these medications in a detention center they don't know how to detox me properly so they got me on Suboxone's to get off of the opiates.

2:20:28They got me on the Xanax and all of the stimulants. They cut me off all the stimulants and they just half the Xanax immediately. They won. And then no Suboxone's. So I'm going through opioid withdrawal and I'm going through benzo withdrawal all at the same time in a jail cell by myself on a cement bed with no TV, no extra food, nothing that's comfortable but some, you know, the flame resistant blankets that are wool that like, you know, make your skin itchy. Like, it was, you know, one of the worst places you could detox ever. And I went through that many times in the detention center with heroin alone, but then mixing with the medications made it way worse.

2:21:07But every single time that I would get out, I would go right back onto the drugs, promising myself, myself and my mom, that I was done. So like I was saying earlier, addiction is really hard. It's just, it takes grips that you don't, you can't even imagine and I and if anyone's listening to this episode that has never done drugs like nobody woke up saying I'm going to put a needle on my arm nobody woke up one day saying I'm going to be an alcoholic nobody ever thought that that was going to happen to them but in certain cases it does so just don't even take the chance and uh and for me I never would have guessed with all of the people that I had as examples to not be like that I was going to be just as addicted as they were.

2:21:52So skipping a bunch of stuff because I know I'm going on for a while now about the childhood stuff. I get sent to a facility called Devereaux, which this is another mind blower, man. So I'm in Devereaux and Devereaux is a residential facility for kids that got in trouble and it's a long-term residential. And I end up there for more drug charges and I'm in class because you still have to go to school when you're in these places. So this was actually before before ninth grade. So I guess eighth grade around then, eighth, ninth grade, somewhere around that time. I can get the exact date when I read this thing to you.

2:22:26But I'm in the classroom and I remember I'm drawing a picture of the Monopoly guy, like, you know, with the little magnifying glass thing. So I have a piece of paper on top of the Monopoly board. I'm drawing him and there's, like, there are the chairs that you sit in, but then there's, like, a table that goes out in front and then there's metal that's holding, like, the table up. I'm drawing the thing, and I hear this kid behind me talking about that he has a gun, and I'm hearing, like, little pieces of it, but I hear that he has a gun. And I know that he just got back from a home pass, which means, like, he got the agreement to go home for, you know, the weekend, and then he'd go back to the facility.

2:23:04Like, some of these kids are there for years at a time. You know, like, so getting a home pass is a big deal. This kid somehow got a gun, at least at this time, I'm hearing the gun thing, and I don't know if I'm about to get the back of my head blown off, you know? Because I'm hearing about a gun behind me, and out of nowhere, I hear, like, metal, but this is plastic, but I hear metal on the table, like... like that. And it was, like, almost like the kid pulled the gun out of the bag and it hit the table. That's what it sounded like. So I turned around, like, quickly, thinking, like, I'm about to die, you know?

2:23:40I see this gun and obviously grab everything that I possibly could. but he had a backpack that he had the gun in. I'm running down the hallway. I run into the front desk. There's a gun, there's a gun. And I'm screaming. And like, because I, you know, I'm in the school technically with a gun. The cops come. I'm being held obviously in a room by myself at this time. And the cops come, they arrest this kid. They send me home. That, like within 24 hours, they sent me home because they didn't want other kids to retaliate because they didn't know what really was going on. So let me read to you, actually, the letter from the assistant district attorney at that time.

2:24:24um hold on one second because there's more there's more to the story that's unbelievable and how unfairly things were just were how i was treated and and even my like i would count my mom in there too because she tried so hard and they just kept hammering throwing the book at me for self-harm, as you said. Oh, here it is. So, February 25th, 2011. So, actually, I would have been, I think, 17 there. So, it would have been a little bit later, right before I got in trouble for the last time. In the interest of Ryan Montgomery, dear Katie, who was my probation officer at the time as a juvenile, I'm writing to advise you in the court that the above juvenile, Ryan Matthew Montgomery, did assist the Commonwealth in the successful prosecution of two other juveniles for the possession of a loaded functional.45 caliber handgun in the Devereux facility where Ryan has been placed.

2:25:23On Friday morning, February 4, 2011, Ryan discovered that a juvenile was in possession of a firearm at the Devereux facility, and he promptly notified the facility staff who recovered the weapon. Prior to Ryan notifying the staff other place juveniles had been aware of the presence of the firearm in the facility but took no action to alert staff ryan's testimony if it had been needed would have been vital to the commonwealth case ryan's actions are also commendable and that he acted where others failed to do so and may have prevented a very serious incident at devereau ryan recognized the serious of the seriousness of the situation and disregarded any possible retaliation by others for alerting staff.

2:26:02It's a pleasure to write this letter for Ryan respectfully. Edward J. Gallon, Assisted District Attorney Juvenile Unit. And I'll show you the letter so you can see. It's a nice letter, like on a nice letterhead. It was obviously very nice of him to write that for me. So I'm home because they're scared that someone's going to retaliate and they send me back to court, you know, because they got to figure out what to do with me. Right. So I'm sitting at home for three or four days. I go back to court, and I go into Master Kern, was his name, was the guy. I give him that letter. My mom wrote a letter.

2:26:41He knows that I just stopped. The kid's plan was, by the way, to shoot up the whole classroom and steal the teacher's... Jeez. To steal the teacher's car and take a couple kids with him. That was his plan. I stopped that plan. There was only one way out of that classroom. So I genuinely believe that I would have died that day if I didn't act. Holy shit. And a lot of other kids would have been dead too. So I'm home for a couple days. Obviously, for him to go out of his way to write this letter for me and all these people are commending me for the... Which was, I think, a good thing for me to do at a young age.

2:27:15Master Kern, where do you think he sent me? Do you think he sent me back home? No. He sent me back to the juvenile detention center. The worst place he could have sent me. Back into a jail cell. Back off of all my medications. to sit there for three months, which is the max you can sit there until they place you, until they send me to another rehab, which wasn't a residential, thankfully, but another rehab where you usually stay about 28 days as a juvenile. I was there 38 days. I get out of there, relapse the first night, end up getting put back on parole. It was a disaster, man. And then eventually it ends up with a guy named Matt Pfeiffer, who a good friend of mine, Jim, he's an old man who went to Vietnam.

2:27:55He's been in and out of jail a long time, but off drugs a long time. he had the same parole officer as me. And he said he was going to kill Matt Pfeiffer. He ends up getting locked up for saying he's going to kill Matt Pfeiffer like a long time ago. He didn't really mean it. He said it at the VA to his doctor. And the guy was very hard on me. I remember one day, this is the last thing I'll talk about legally, but he told me that I didn't have a real job. And I knew that the affiliate marketing, I was making more money than him. That's the truth. like and uh he he told me i didn't have a real job i needed to go to an office so i found a place called answering service for for directors so it was called it was like for funeral directors um and i uh i start working there i got referred there by somebody else who was a previous heroin addict that that dude starts doing heroin in the bathroom at work i get fired for not advancing fast enough on their computer systems that was the reason they fired me so um you know that part was funny but you know i wasn't doing drugs i really wasn't at that time um and uh and i remember being in the parking lot and him telling me that if i didn't have a job that he was going to violate me which i didn't realize he couldn't do at that time i guess he could have done figured something out but whatever i was on the phone my mom crying my eyes out thinking like i am so screwed and um Um, and he, uh, he was just so mean to me, man.

2:29:23He treated me so badly. And then when I failed a drug test for him, the last time I ever got, like, at 17 years old, I failed a drug test for him. They put me in a really bad spot. This is what happened. Um, I, uh, I had a choice between doing house arrest for six months and going home that day while withdrawing. I had to make this choice or doing two years in, uh, a George Jr., a juvenile boot camp. Um, I chose to go home on house arrest and, you know, go with adult parole. And, uh, and I failed two drug tests in two weeks because obviously I was withdrawing as a kid in a juvenile detention center.

2:30:00This dude, Matt Piper, violates me, re-sentences me for the possession with an intended deliver of heroin, uh, even though I wasn't selling heroin. I just had it in individual bags. That's how heroin comes. Um, I can prove that too. Like, literally, that's not just me saying that to make myself look good. I never was selling heroin. I just had and I was with people that we just picked up heroin. He violates me on that and resentences me for a failed drug test. Not because I got caught selling heroin or had more heroin on me because I peed in a cup and the sentence on that looks at two to four years.

2:30:32So I'm sitting in the George W. Hill Correctional Facility. I'm sitting there six plus months waiting on a Gagnon 2 hearing which you're supposed to get in the first two weeks. That's part of parole or whatever. And he eventually sentenced me. It's two to four years. And I got out with good time. If you count the juvenile and the adult stuff together, it's 20 months. And I finally get out of there. I had a couple of years left, a parole left to go. And the second that I got off is when I left for Florida. So like that, that was the end. My addiction, the reason why I stopped wasn't rehab. It wasn't because somebody said something to me that changed something.

2:31:08It wasn't because I looked at my family and was scared that I was going to die. It was because I spent enough time away from it and in the worst possible scenario you can imagine uh to you know i just didn't ever want to get high again it was over the thought was out of my brain wow and i just left pennsylvania and never looked back so that's that's the actual story that i've never talked about before and uh damn ryan there's more to it but i just you know i'm on a little bit of a rampage with what i'm saying so what more are there just all the different times i've been in trouble for stupid stuff but it just it was countless times as a kid never as an adult once but as a kid countless i mean how do you maintain the relationship with your mom i mean you guys are really tight we talk a lot about her love my mom to death and my mom was there for me throughout all of this like my mom never gave up on you she never gave up on me even when she got diagnosed with her first round of cancer like she's like i don't want to get too much under it's gonna upset me but she's still sick and still going through stuff.

2:32:10But when she got breast cancer for the first time, she got chemo, radiation, and I was still using. I was still getting in trouble. I tried my best to leave her out of it. I really did. But she's the only one really there for me at that time. Other than my grandparents, which I didn't live with them because I had a stepdad at the time, which, like I said, my grandpa was like a dad to me. I just want to like, your mom has gone through cancer treatment, battling cancer, and her son, you are still jamming needles in your arm. Yeah. I mean, that's a lot for a woman to go through, man. I know, and I feel horrible.

2:32:46I feel, I mean, if I could take that back, I would do anything to take that back. I can't change it. All I can do is be a better son, and I think I'm doing a great job of that. Like, anything she needs now. If my mom wants to go to Bermuda and she wants to be floating around, you know, in a hot tub in a hot dog outfit, I'll make it happen tomorrow for her. So I think that, you know, maybe it doesn't make up for the things I've done to her, but anything she wants, anything she needs, anything that she's uncomfortable with, I will make sure that my mom was number one priority because she made me her number one priority when she didn't have it in her.

2:33:24My mom was a bartender for most of my life. Like, she worked just so that she could get food on the table for me. And she didn't have, like, you know, that's late nights and sometimes working days just because she couldn't do it. and whatever you know but she just did a lot for me and i owe her the world and um like where where money really wasn't a thing for my family uh she made up for it in every other way you possibly could so i love my mom to death damn man what i'm just curious you know when you did get clean when you cleaned it up did you know you were clean for good yes you did oh yeah yeah i was i would never never getting myself put back in a facility like that again, never putting myself in that situation, never hanging out with the same group of people again.

2:34:11I was so done. I just wanted parole to be over with because I couldn't leave the state. So the second that I was able to leave the state, I was out. And that was it. That was the end of it. How did your mom take it? My mom was very, all of them, my grandpa, my mom. When you were clean for the final time, I mean, how long do you think it took your mom to realize he's good? She still texts me, hey, Rye, are you okay? every single day. She shares my health app with me current day. She sees my heart rate, my resting heart rate, my steps, my respiratory rate, my wrist temperature, you name it. My mom's got it.

2:34:44So I don't think that fear will ever leave her, sadly, but she checks it. The second she wakes up, she makes sure that I got up with the health app on the phone. And if I don't answer her text, then she'll call me. If I don't answer, and this has only happened one time, but if I answer her calls she'll start calling my friends because she knows i live alone you know and she lives in pennsylvania i live at the bottom of the country like what if i'm in my house dead like i know it's an extreme but she doesn't know so she'll call my friends to make sure i'm all right and i call her uh i can't call her in the middle of the day but i text her back and at nighttime before i go to bed every night i call her and say good night and i've done that every night since i've left for the last 10 years.

2:35:25Wow. Yeah. And I've been clean, if you count the years, over 14 years. So long time. Congratulations, man. Thanks. Well, yeah, I got clean at 17 and I'm 32 now. So it's whatever that exact timeframe would be. February. I got arrested again after that. So if you count whatever that date is in 2011 to now. I thought we were going to get arrested last time I was in Florida riding around in that Lamborghini of yours. Oh my gosh, dude, you were gunning it. You were gunning it. We put that thing in sport mode, and he was just gunning it back and back and back. Right past the police. Yeah, right past the police.

2:36:05Right past the police. And Sean was not like, it wasn't like he just gunned it once. We were on Ocean Ave right by the water in a Lamborghini, orange Lamborghini Aventador, and he just gunned it, stopped, gunned it, stopped, gunned it. Like, he was, it was like a kid on a roller coaster. He loved it. It was a good time. Okay, so before we go on the break, I just want to share something with you. So after all of that stuff, me getting in trouble a million times as a kid, my family having a bad reputation with the last name in the area, Montgomery just having a bad name in Delaware County, me getting in trouble, like I said, all drug-related and petty crimes, but bad reputation with the cops, with everybody.

2:36:44I end up hanging out with this kid, Vinny, who brings me to a place called Lenai Fire Station, which was a very small firehouse down the street from a big mall that I used to hang out at. And there was a guy named Ken Collins, who was the chief of Lenai at that time, and he was also a police officer. He didn't know me, never heard of me, never knew anything about me. I go over to Lenai with my friend Vinny, and I sit down in the office with Ken Collins, and he's willing to give me a chance to be a firefighter at Lenai Firehouse while I'm on parole, while I have this record as a kid, while he doesn't know if I'm going to rob the firehouse for all the stuff to support my addiction.

2:37:26Like, he doesn't know anything about me. He just is willing to take a chance on me. And no one else at this firehouse has any issues like I do. This guy just must have saw something in me that I didn't and nobody else must have at the time. And I proved him right. So I became a firefighter at Lenny, but I didn't have what's called Fire One or Hazmat, so I couldn't go into any of the burning buildings. I could just go on calls, and I could stand and watch and help with the tools, but that's as much as I could do. Then Lenai merges with this other firehouse called Lima, Lima Firehouse, which was down the street from the detention center, across the street from the mall, and it turned into Lenai merged with Lima and became Rocky Run Firehouse.

2:38:05At that time, Ken got, he got the county, the same county that put my family through hell, they got they they paid for me to go to fire school they paid for me to go through fire school i didn't let them down i showed up every single day showed up on time i passed the first time around i went through the physical exam i went through the written exam i ended up my fire one in my hazmat i became an actual firefighter for two years and uh and and this man like he didn't have to do any of that for me i called him later in life and it was like listen man like i am so grateful for you man like you you showed me that there are good people out there you know like people that care and yeah that's that's it that's it we're on the break that's pretty cool man but i do have another question yeah when you were getting clean what was what was the thing i mean it sounds like you've been in rehabs for a very long time i mean 11 to 17 right so many yeah in It's such a short period of time.

2:39:10What was the, I mean, a lot of people are struggling with addiction right now. Yes. Millions of people. Yep. What was it for you that was the, I forgot to clean it up. This was the last straw. This is rock bottom. What was it? Just being stuck in a cell for all that time. You know, for, if you count the juvenile time plus the adult time, 20 months being locked away and not being around these addicts, like, around any people, places, and things, is what they call it. Being around, not being around any of those places, people, or things, I think my brain naturally healed itself, and realized, like, maybe you aren't a drug addict for life, maybe you just are physically dependent on so many things that you feel like you are, and that was the truth, because I don't care about drugs anymore.

2:39:58I could watch someone shoot up in front of me, and I'm not going to think about using heroin, not because I feel like it's more dangerous than it used to be, I just don't. I have no desire. It's gone. So I guess I just needed the time away. And as much as Matt Piper, that parole officer that, you know, I don't know because he hasn't answered my calls. I tried to connect with him as well. He won't answer me even though I left him messages. I would love to know if his intentions were good or bad or he just didn't care. I'd love to know. But he's never actually answered me. Like, he inadvertently saved my life, whether he did it on purpose or not.

2:40:34I don't think I'd be here talking to you right now if I didn't get locked up for that last time. So, yeah, that's what got me clean. It isn't like an epiphany moment that happened that changed the way that I felt about drugs. It just was the time away from it. Do you think there are people that are under the spell of addiction right now that don't see a way out? Yes. Oh, yeah. What would your advice be for them? They need to hospitalize themselves and they need to be medicated and put, I mean, especially the tranquilizer you feel after your body's cleaned up and then decide whether you want to go to rehab afterwards.

2:41:12But, you know, nothing's going to change if you don't change anything. And if you don't want to change, you may not realize you want to change because you don't remember what it's like to feel good anymore. You just don't remember. So like I said earlier, just try it. What's the worst thing? Five to seven days goes by and you say, screw it, I want to go back to this lifestyle. it can't hurt. Just try. Just try. There's people that care about you. Like, you might be somebody's brother or mother, brother, sister, family, and you could be... Like, people care about you. I don't care who you are. Somebody out there cares about you, and they don't want to see you destroy your life.

2:41:45And the least you can do for them is try to clean yourself up. And I know that I'm hypocritical, because I could have done the same thing as a kid, and I really believed that I was doing that. Every time I did get help, I believed I was going to stop, and I couldn't. but you know hindsight's 20 20 and uh and i i yeah just just get help is really the best i could say even if you don't feel like you want it just try it well thank you for sharing that you went down you did 708 right yeah talk about this last night yeah so not not 708 directly it's it's an alkaloid in the kratom or kratom plant so it's just it's seven hydroxy metrogenine or it's pronounced in many ways but that's the way i pronounce it um and uh it's you know with opioids i was able to take it was like way back before it was like gas station heroin um because there's different types there's the type that is not banned because it's not like it hasn't really killed anyone by itself there's been deaths with it in their system with other drugs but i don't recall any deaths that were strictly related to kratom or kratom itself um i took it to help withdrawal from opiates when i wasn't in facilities and uh it was very very helpful for me as well i mean it was you know because it gets rid of withdrawal symptoms yeah i just i just did an episode on this with uh with a investigative journalist out of maine and um steve robinson okay i'll check it out and uh he was talking about how he was talking about how bad it is how many people are getting addicted to this and don't realize how addictive it is because it's over the counter and so i was just curious what your experience was with that yeah yeah yeah it's a it's i've never done 70h i've never done any like the extracts you would get it at a gas station but i've like drink it like i've made kratom tea and i've tried that you know like i've tried like the natural ways of it and it's been very helpful for me when i was in that state gotcha gotcha i'm not saying it's a good idea because it's it's an even though it is natural i don't think you can overdose on it it's not a like it is physically addictive it is that's true but it's like a very minor physical withdrawal to my knowledge um i wouldn't recommend it for an opioid addict because it's gonna not satisfy your needs like you're gonna expect it to do more and it's not you're going to end up just relapsing.

2:44:17So I wouldn't recommend it. Gotcha. Gotcha. That's the truth. And then last question before we go on a break. You know, your mom sounds like she's the only person in your life that just never gave up on you. My mom and my grandparents. They, like, my grandparents and my grandpa, you know, like, my grandpa fathered me. My grandma was like a second mother to me. And then there was a period of time where I had a stepdad and my mom had a house with him where I seen them, but I didn't see them every day like I did for two different portions of my childhood. So I would say my mom, my grandma, my grandpa were the keystones, if you combine them together, the keystone of the only safety net I had to fall into.

2:45:02And current day, they are my mental safety net. And I love them to death, all of them. And my grandfather passed, and I told you that story already. But, you know, I got the blessing of having somebody as a great father figure, as I talked about. But my dad, you know, missing some aspects of being a father, he showed me that he loved me. But then my grandfather taught me a ton of valuable lessons in life and was there for me for all the other things. So I was blessed in many ways. Did your mom watch the first episode we did together? My mom is like my number one supporter. My mom has probably watched that episode multiple times.

2:45:43She's read all the comments. My mom, I don't do any of that. I don't read comments. I don't do any of that with any of these things that I do. Not only can I read my own social media comments, but my mom, she's on it. I could ask my mom, what happened in the 45th minute of the first Sean Ryan show? And she'd be like, well, you were leaning to your right side. And Sean was asking you about it. She'll know. So let me ask you this. What's one thing you've always wanted to tell your mom that you haven't told her?

2:46:17And you know she'll be watching this. Well, I know she'll be watching it. I mean, I guess I don't have a fancy one, but the first thing that comes to mind is, like I've said to her a million times, and I'm sorry. I am very sorry, but I know that she's proud of me now. and I hope that she is proud of herself because she did all of that on her own like as a single mother yeah I had my grandparents and they were very helpful but my mom got pregnant just turning 18 years old you know and to have the terror that I was you know it was not easy for her and uh and I know that my story is far from over as well but uh but it is it is night and day from what it was before and without her i'm nothing so love my mom i love i love your mom very much i'm sure she uh is very proud of you man yep she is she is the show is getting me all emotional when you gotta take a break we gotta take a break i don't know how you do this to me sean let's go blow some shit up yeah that'll help hey folks our friends at tractor supply have always stood for community for neighbors helping neighbors, and for the people who keep life out here moving forward.

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2:50:04Pretty sure my forehead just got blasted with a piece of brass there. Really? Yeah. Yeah. Yep. I can feel it. How'd that happen? Fucking thing's got some power, buddy. Do you have a gash up here? Yeah, you do. I'm pretty sure I see it. Perfect. Yeah, you got hit in the head.

2:50:26All right, Ryan, back from the break. Dude, your shooting has improved tremendously. Nice shooting out there. Thank you. Your shooting was great, too. and I don't know if we should address the elephant in the room. Yeah, we've got some new battle scars out there on the static range. So for the people that can't, this is going to be for Patreon, right? I think we'll probably release this one to the masses. But yeah, we do this with almost every guest, but I've only dug out the golden 50-caliber Desert Eagle special for you, Ryan. Thank you. We both get hit with it. Yeah, so apparently the brass kicked straight up and smashed us both in the forehead.

2:51:11I got a lump. I feel the lump, but Sean got burnt and he got hit with it, so he's got a combo deal. Mine, I feel it, but I don't know if you can see it on the camera. Oh, yeah, I can see it clear as day, buddy. That thing, you know, it's got some kick to it. It's got some kick, man. I've never shot a.50 caliber handgun, so that's a little wild to me. Now you have. Now I have. Thank you. And a.44 and a.357. A lot of things. Fucking A, man. A lot of things. But you were impressive out there. I can't believe you hit all of the targets with no buttstock, with no sight. And you beat me by a couple points.

2:51:48But I had sights and a buttstock, you know? It's not that impressive, Ryan. It would be really impressive. It would be unimpressive if it was... I spent a long time, a large portion of my life, shooting guns and doing tactics and shit. It would be like, you know, it would be like, it would be like if I beat you in a hacking competition. It's just, it's not going to happen. But you fucking crushed it out there. But hey, let's get into some more stuff about what happened after our initial interview and talk a little bit more about Pentester and everything you guys are doing, wiping people's data from the internet.

2:52:30Okay. And all that kind of stuff. and then we'll move into what you've been doing with Sentinel Foundation and the 764 stuff and ROAD. ROAD. ROAD, yeah. Is it RO, R-O, or R-O-A-D? It's ROAD, RO. Okay. A lot of people think it's ROAD. ROAD. ROAD, yeah. And it's not just ROAD. ROAD, yeah. I'm going to focus on that for now, and I'll blanket it because it's all of these games, all of these games platforms. platforms. So starting, I wanted to, you know, if you remember last time, we talked about Pentester. And the reason why Pentester came up for me at that time, like I can tell you man to man, like there wasn't a conversation with the business partners before I came, like this is how you're going to say things on the show so that we can get, it wasn't, it wasn't that.

2:53:22It was, and honestly, Pentester was only built for businesses back when I came on your show. So when, at that time, it was$49 a month no matter who you signed up. And you had to either put a website or an email in. It would do a scan. It would tell you if there's any low-hanging fruit vulnerabilities on your site or some data that was breached about you. And I showed you the reverse facial recognition technology at that time. I showed you... We looked up Vigilance Elite's website. We found some identifiable information from it. And back then, our database was like 130 billion records, which was still the biggest at that time.

2:54:04And now it's been three years and we're like 240 billion plus records, which we've gotten way larger. When it comes to the data that we have access to, our reverse facial recognition has tripled in size. So, I mean, I could show another example with somebody else here because obviously there's so many photos you online. It's not that impressive to, you know, to show it. but like we could grab anybody you want here and we'll find them. And I just want to show that and I want to show the new feature that we learned with Pentester over time because we had a ton of people sign up and then we had this one specific breach that happened, which are you familiar with national public data?

2:54:45What happened there? No. Okay, so this is very important and a lot of people are not familiar with it, which is a problem. So the national public data breach happened a little over a year ago. And what happened was there is about 300 million Americans in this country. That database had 2.8 billion records in it that included full names, data bursts, phone numbers, every address you've ever lived at, and your entire social security number. So it was leaked onto the internet for anyone to download this. And we created a tool. We were actually in Vegas, and we were talking about it, and we're in Vegas, and we're like, we want to build a tool so people can search to see if they've been impacted by this data breach, which I'll show you in a second a demo of it.

2:55:38So you put in your name, your last name, your year of birth, and what state you currently live in or state you've lived in in the past. And then you press search, and it would show you the data. And if you were in it, we'd recommend what to do about that. which we weren't trying to sell you on Pentester. We were just trying to get you to either freeze your credit and try to protect your identity at the best of your ability, or freeze your credit and sign up for Pentester to know about other data that might be breached. So it was kind of a dual-purpose thing, but the main priority was freeze your credit.

2:56:12And I'll explain what that means in a second. So the National Public Data Breach happened because they released a file that had credentials in it, And those credentials were easy. I think it was pass123 was their password. And the database had all of this horrible, not horrible, all of this very private information in it. So like 2.8 billion records with 300 million Americans, that means people that have passed away, that means multiple addresses for every, like, wait, you see how many addresses it has for you. And once that data is out there, it's out there. It's like, you can remove data from data brokers, like white pages, for example, or all of those background check websites, you can remove that because you have a legal right to request removal of that.

2:56:58But when it comes to dark web data or, you know, breached data, all you can do is be aware of it and take action based on your knowledge of it. So we released that tool, and we weren't expecting it to be as crazy as it was. So going on your show, we had a ton of people signing up for business plans, like as individuals, because they wanted access to the tools I was showing on the show, and they were willing to pay that$49 a month just to do reverse facial recognition, to search themselves in our databases, and we didn't even have any removal services at that time. So we learned from your show that we had a need for a personal use, like for consumers.

2:57:41So we made a$19 plan, which I said before, like if I had this option,$49 a month, Like most people spend$20 on lunch every day. So I was saying that with$49. I say that even more so with$19 a month. Not only are you getting all of the breach data out there associated with you, your phone number, your addresses, your email, literally all your identifiers. And then you can add your family members. So you could add your wife, you can add your parents, you could add your grandparents. And then even another thing that people don't know is you can add your children. They may not be in the data brokers yet, but their accounts will show up.

2:58:19So we have this tool where we can discover if you have accounts created places. And let's say you have a kid and you told them they're not allowed to have a Snapchat account. You put their email and phone number in there. Now we can confirm if they have a Snapchat associated with that email or phone. And there's no one else that has that integration with a data broker removal tool. So that's a really cool feature. No kidding. So parents can use Pentester to see if their kids are messing around on social media behind their backs. Yeah, that is one use case. The other use case is at$4.19, you're still getting all of what you got before with all the breached data to see your passwords, your social, your credit cards, all of that stuff that's happened and stuff you can take action on.

2:59:02But we're also removing data from data brokers on your behalf. So it's not an instant. Immediately as you sign up, you'll see some exposed records, but over time, you'll see there's pending removals and then removals that have happened. I'll show it all to you. But I highly recommend anybody signs up for it because, you know, there's a ton of data removal companies out there that do this exact thing. But what they don't do is show breached data and they don't do facial recognition. They don't do account discovery. So that's something the Pentester does very well. And the reason why we do it so well is because it's built on the methodology that I used, along with some of my business partners, have used to identify predators and traffickers.

2:59:43So using it in the opposite sense to see what digital footprint you have out there, it's the same methodology I would use to identify these people based on minimal identifiers. And I'll show you a demo of it so you understand what I mean. But what we actually learned last minute was, because you've got to remember, the NPD breach coming out, So we had all of that built. People were searching through it. And we had people signing up for various ages, like 40, 50, 60, 70-year-old people are signing up for Pentester that don't know how to use computers. And we realized through support, if we could read the support tickets coming in and we have a support team that handles that, we're seeing a lot of people don't know how to use a website at all.

3:00:33So yeah, they need the service, but they don't know how to navigate no matter how easy we make it. There's no getting them to use it, you know? And we can do a lot of stuff on their behalf, but they got to sign in and put in their information for us to automate it. So we decided to make Pentester SMS, which is essentially just Pentester through text messaging. No kidding. So you text a phone number, and that phone number you can talk to like a human. So you could text and say, hey, and it will overtake your phone number, try to identify who you are, find your emails, find your leaked information, tell you what's out there, say, hey, do you want to start removals on this information?

3:01:12And, you know, this is our recommendations with changing your passwords or deleting accounts here or all of the recommendations you would get. And then that is only$9 a month because they're not, they don't have access to all of the extra tools. If they want them, they could upgrade their account. But it's, I'll show you the example for your phone number and it's got everything on you. I mean, it's literally got everything. So let's say you want your wife or your family, you know, like a parent that you know isn't going to sign in. They're not going to look at the dashboard. They're not going to use any tools.

3:01:43Tell them to text the phone number and sign them up for it. And then they'll get notifications via text like, hey, a password was breached. Your password was summer 2025 exclamation point. Make sure you're not using this anywhere. And you just get a text every once in a while from Pentester SMS that says, hey, you need to do this. And then, you know, like, let's say, let's say, like, I'll give you an example. Bi-weekly, you get a text that says, you've been removed from 47 data brokers. If you want to see the full list, click here. But at least you know something's happening at all times. You don't have to sign in.

3:02:19You don't got to do anything. Just text the number. um so for you this is what i'll do is i'll screen record this and then i'll hand it to you here we go yeah you're gonna like this one no i'm not no you're not all right so here's here's an example right here oh boy oh this is the phone number that you would text at the top and this is the conversation that you would have like you're welcome to text it now but i figure there'd be a bunch of delays and you having to respond but this is this is how it would start the conversation and and then how it would end okay i'm gonna show i'm gonna show this okay cool we'll put we'll overlay this on the screen awesome now it's just from your phone number so let's say we gave it more and you were like hey check this email check this one check my wife's you know you can get deeper into that conversation with the with the chat you know with with we call it Pentest or SMS, but let's just say it's a chat bot.

3:03:17You can talk to it just like you're talking to me and it will respond to you like a human. It has access to our tools. So you could say like, you know, what about my wife's email or what about my wife's phone number? And then it'll start answering questions about that as well. So it's like having a 24-7 breach slash data privacy support agent in your pocket at all times for nine bucks. But I mean, I'm sure you're seeing and your full social security number's there. And your previous addresses, I'm sure, are there. An email that isn't public is there. So how the hell do you get... How do you get your info off?

3:03:53So, we automatically remove data for you. So, the most, like all of the data brokers that have that data, anyone could just go on Google and start searching. That gets automatically scrubbed that we're going to deal with that for you. So, like you already have a Pentester account, so we've removed a ton of it for you already. When it comes to breached data, like data that's already out there, that's on somebody's hard drive somewhere, like literally. you can't remove that. You can't. So you can just, you know, in the event that it's like your social security number or something like that, you know, you have to just freeze your credit.

3:04:29Like I was saying to you before, freezing your credit, if you don't know what it is, it just means go to, you know, Equifax, TransUnion, and Experian individually. They legally have to allow you to create an account for free and press the freeze button. And then all that does is stop people from being able to query your credit. So if somebody goes and says, hey, my name's Sean Ryan, and I want to buy this car, or I want to open a credit card, it stops them from being able to query your credit or pull your credit report because it's frozen. It doesn't stop your credit from going up or down. It doesn't hurt you in any way.

3:05:04I believe the whole country should be frozen, and I think that you should have to unfreeze it when, because all you do is you sign into all three you press unfreeze you run your credit and then when you're done running it you freeze it again and it that that's the fix for your social being out there um there is nothing else you can do unless you go you know through the whole process of changing your social security number which you can do but it's a it's a process um but yeah that's that's one thing the passwords you know use a password manager change your passwords and then your addresses unless you move your house, you know, they're out there.

3:05:40Yeah. But the data brokers are something that we can control, and certain websites that have your photos on it, if you didn't want them there, we can request removal of that information. So that's one thing I wanted to show you. The AT &T breach is another one that happened between our interview and now, and there were 70-something million people affected by that, but uh it also included hold on one second like here is me i didn't even take myself out of it all of my information in the at &t breach that's they've got my full social my current address my emails everything so all people need to do is go to npd.pentester.com or at &t or a i'm sorry att.pentester.com.

3:06:33There are individual scans to see if you were affected by these breaches. If you were, I would highly recommend freezing your credit. Make sure when you're doing a search, search every state you've ever lived in. Don't just search in Florida. Like if you've lived in Florida, make sure you search in like everywhere you've ever lived, even if it was for a week, because it could be in that database and then search your loved ones as well. and then with the AT &T one, att.pentester, sort your phone number and make sure that you're not affected. I don't understand how these companies that are getting breached are not held accountable for any of this stuff.

3:07:11But this could ruin your entire life. Absolutely. Because they're not securing their data properly, correct? Yeah, but they get class action lawsuits. They have no liability? They do. They do. They have class action lawsuits but then they end up having to pay out whatever millions of dollars to these individuals who file the lawsuits. And then they have to give, well, they offer free credit protection as like that. That's basically all you're getting from them. And that just means like tell you your credit score and tell you if somebody's, like, when it's too late. So it's not really. Who offers free credit protection?

3:07:44The companies that get breached. So they'll pay for all of the people that are part of the class action lawsuit or were affected by these breaches, they'll offer your credit report for free for whatever amount of years. They don't do a ton for you. So there is no liability. Well, they have to pay a certain amount of money, but that's it. To who? So I guess with a class action, they got to pay everybody involved. Like whatever it ends up being, 20 bucks each or 15 bucks each. What the fuck, man? But yeah, I mean, it's this is my own personal information, so I can I don't mind showing it. It gets it.

3:08:26You know, my account has 856 exposed records, 472 are in progress and 384 successful removals from different data brokers all over the world. All my IP addresses, all my accounts that I have connected to things. um and well it has all this stuff oh yeah man this has like everything you've ever signed up for huh yep and and all my passwords from you know things i haven't changed has all my ip addresses credit card numbers addresses social security number it has my whole life but uh you know thankfully everything that i could possibly remove has been automatically removed by pentester and that's for the 19 a month plan so you really can't go wrong with that and then like i said pen tester sms you just text 337 337 4100 and that's only nine dollars so you get the same thing with the removals for nine dollars you just don't get the reverse facial recognition and you don't get the ability to search like in the database without adding them as a as a family member to the account or an identity is what we call it so yeah uh let me stop the recording on that um is there anything else here that i'm forgetting no that's that's a so so like if there's so we could do the reverse thing but i think we like we already have a clip showing reverse facial recognition so if somebody out there doesn't know what that means it means that i could take a picture of sean or you i mean facial recognition means i could take a picture of you and it may be a picture that's never touched the internet before and it's going to measure 120 points of your face and it's going to look for your photo anywhere that's ever been posted on the internet so that could be in uh like you know the background at somebody's wedding sitting at a table and only half of your face is visible or it could be on um you know a tweet that somebody created before this show before you even had the podcast and it's something you know about your personal life that you don't want out there.

3:10:33It could be a million things. And now that our database has tripled in size, we have way more data than we did even back then, which was a lot. So I highly recommend people check that out. But minimum, just text the phone number once they see it and see what kind of response you get. And if you don't like it, you don't like it. But I think privacy is kind of important nowadays. I mean, yeah, me too. That's why we're creating this whole app. Yes. But I mean, so I'm curious, you know, with the face, I mean, can you get photos pulled? Yeah. So just like awareness, like, hey, this is where this is what's out there.

3:11:14So we can, it's a combination of both. So if you really want a photo taken down, you know, you can reach out to our support team and say, hey, I really don't want this up here. and we will reach out to them on your behalf and ask for removal. We can't guarantee that it happens, but we have a better shot at it than, I think, an individual trying on their own. Because we'll find them. Even if there's no way to contact them, we'll find a way to contact them in almost all cases. And then if something like your social has been compromised online, then really the only two options are freeze your credit or get a new social.

3:11:50Yeah, unfortunately, yeah. Yeah, which I wish there was something else I could say, but that's the truth. And going back to the NPD data breach, when that happened, we had all these media sources that were running stories. I was on call after call with news reporters, recording videos for all of these local news stations. Like, you name the news source, it ran it. Like, all of them. Literally. And there hasn't been a person that I think I've ran into in real life that knows about it. So it's like we had 11 million people hit our website in seven days. But people just don't know. And this is such a huge violation of privacy that no one has any clue about that I talk to.

3:12:38And yeah, we're the only website you can go and search it on right now and see how breached you actually were. Like, there's another site out there that will tell you, like, you're in it potentially, but it doesn't tell you the details. And what if your name's John Smith? Or if there's somebody else named Ryan Montgomery? I can't tell if it's me, Ryan Montgomery, or the 500 that live in Florida with the same name. At least we show you the addresses, we show you the social, or at least a piece of the social. In your case, I showed you the whole thing, but we don't show the full thing on the regular search so people don't abuse it to get people's socials.

3:13:14But, you know, it's wild to me. It is absolutely wild. Damn. Yep. Crazy, crazy stuff. We had Congress people and politicians and everything on the news demonstrating how to use NPD.pentester.com. It was like we were blown away by it. That's awesome. Yeah, we were blown away by that. And it worked. It did really well for the company. Obviously, not discounting how much you have done for the company as well, bringing me onto the show, letting me talk about it. Got a lot of people... It helped a lot of people with their digital footprints too. Not only did it help the business, but we helped people clean up something they didn't even know they had a problem with until they signed up.

3:13:57Yeah. So yeah, I appreciate that, man. And the NPD breach was the biggest thing after that. and now it's pen tester sms which makes it so easy anybody can be successful anybody can text that's awesome man you know that's awesome well thank you i appreciate that what is what is uh i mean can you go into vpns and why they're important and all this stuff yeah so um vpns it's a virtual private network. So it's essentially you're connecting to a network from your, let's say you're at your house, you're using your home connection to connect to another computer somewhere else. And then that computer somewhere else is sending all of the traffic to the internet on your behalf.

3:14:49And then wherever, like, let's say Google is here and you're here and the VPN is here. It's sending the traffic from here to here, saying, I want Google. This is saying to Google, hey, give me your page. Google's sending it back to the VPN here, and the VPN's sending it back to you. So Google never sees anything but the VPN. Gotcha. And then your internet service provider, like the person that is, you know, that can track what you're doing, can't see what you're doing because it's being routed through a different IP address encrypted. And like they can see that using a vpn but they can't see what you're doing on it and the vpn companies most of them don't store logs so if they were subpoenaed and said hey i want everything that sean ryan did on this day to this date almost all of them minus the few that have lied and they do store logs or they're fed honey honey pots where they're storing logs on purpose um you know they they really don't have anything to give uh if there's a subpoena there's nothing to give do you have the names of any of companies that do hold?

3:15:53I know somebody, I mean, let me double check before I say this. I don't want to tarnish someone's reputation to be wrong. So yeah, IPVanish was one of the major ones. They were caught storing logs in 2016 and provided them to the FBI after a court order, despite a zero log policy at the time. And they were a big, big one. And then on the other hand, There's one called IVPN that IVPN was subpoenaed, and it's on record. All they had was an account number. They didn't have anything else, so they proved it in store logs, which is nice because it's hard to prove it. You could say whatever you want, but until you're faced with a subpoena and sitting in a courtroom, there's no way to know if they're telling the truth or not.

3:16:39So that's IVPN is a good one. And then Mulavad is one that I really like a lot. Like they claim they don't store logs. I believe that they don't. The reason why is you can send them cash in an envelope and just put your account number on the envelope and they'll actually activate your account. And even if they did store logs, they don't know where that cash came from. They just activated an account number. So there's nothing they could do even if they did, which makes me think they don't even store logs. So I like that a lot about them. I mean, we're seeing China buy a lot of VPN companies. I mean, Israel just hit the news buying VPN companies.

3:17:21Do you think when foreign governments or maybe not even governments, I mean, look, China's communist, right? So it doesn't matter if it's a company or the government. They just get access to whatever the hell they want. Absolutely. I mean, is that what they're doing? Are they mining our data from us by providing us with bullshit VPNs to use? I mean, I think it's a very educated guess. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I can't tell you with absolute fact because I haven't seen it with my eyes yet, but it makes sense for them to buy these companies if they're trying to spy on us because the people that are using VPNs, it's either they're worried about their privacy overall or they're doing something that they just, you know, nefarious or they're doing something that is very sensitive that they don't want people to see.

3:18:07And these countries want that data. So it would make sense for them to buy it. Gotcha. Gotcha. Yeah, I agree with you there for sure. Man. Man. Let's move into Sentinel. Mm-hmm. So let me explain how that even happened. because back remember when I originally came into this the original studio with you I had what was considered at the time to be a vigilante group called 561 PC and I was doing that with my friend Dustin Lamprose and we were just individually catching one one predator at a time and you know we were doing I you know we're doing as well as we possibly could at that time and And that's how I ended up on that podcast and ended up here.

3:18:56So all this stuff's going on. I come on to your show, and I guess a ton of federal agencies watch this podcast. And my phone is blowing up. You name it. It's DEA, which is drugs. I got CIA. I got even the Secret Service. FBI have multiple field locations all over the country. HSI. I had HSI show up at an ATM on me. I don't know if you remember me calling about this. Oh, no, I remember. They showed up at an ATM, they surrounded you at the hacker event, and they came to your house, correct? They didn't come to my house, but the other two things, yes. At the ATM, they came in two different cars. Their office is in Miami.

3:19:35That's about an hour drive at that time. They came in two different cars. I don't know how they legally could figure out that I was at the ATM if there was no target on me. But I turned around, had a badge in my face. I have a picture with the guys. I asked them if I can take a picture with them, and they were like, just please don't post it. I can show you if you want to see it. Let's put it up. No, I'm just kidding. But yeah, I mean, they couldn't have been nicer, but turning around from the ATM to a badge in my face, I was like, I'm going to jail. This is it, you know? And my phone would not stop ringing.

3:20:10So something that, you know, something I want to just clarify now for anyone that works in law enforcement that's watching the podcast, no disrespect, I love all of you, and I want to help all of you. But last time I was on the podcast, I got so many calls, I couldn't work with everybody at the same time. It just wasn't possible. So as of right now, you can reach out to, you know, Sentinel Foundation, who's working in parallel with the Marshals. And we have a case number for the stuff I'm about to talk about, you know, very shortly. And I don't have any of this evidence locally. It's all stored in a cloud that's shared with the team, with the marshals.

3:20:50Like, you know, if you want to call me and need my help with something, I'm all ears. But if it's about this specific case, just reach out to the appropriate people because I can't work with a million people at once. Mm-hmm. I mean... Why was there a badge shoved in your face? It wasn't shoved. I mean, he just had it up when I turned around. Why? I guess to tell me he was HSI. For what? Don't know. Don't know. He just wanted to talk. And he kept hitting me up. I still got texts I could show you. He just wanted me to come down and sit down and talk to him. He never told me why, but I assume it's the database.

3:21:26What else would it be? I mean, if there was something criminal, he would have arrested me. Yeah, I mean, I was really, I was extremely worried for you. Because it seemed like I was getting arrested. Well, shit. I mean, I remember when we went to the Sound of Freedom premiere with Jim Caviezel, you know, for the opening. Yeah, they're fucking harassing you. Yeah. They're texting you. Hey, don't be alarmed, but we see you over there. Dude, I was fucking pissed. I remember how pissed you were. I was so fucking pissed when that shit started. Because one, I'm sitting right next to you. Two, I'm just like, this is fucked up.

3:22:02You guys had the opportunity to do your fucking job years ago. You didn't do it. More kids got fucking. More kids got exploited. And now you're sitting here fucking with my friend who's trying to do the right thing. Maybe go do the right fucking thing and save some fucking kids and quit following Ryan around fucking Nashville and harassing him. Fuck you. I know you're fucking listening to this. Fuck you. Man, that shit pissed me off, dude. I remember you were heated. You were definitely heated. It makes my fucking skin crawl. I'm sure it does. I mean, from your side, you've been in... You were on the other side.

3:22:41They fucking come in like they're like... Yeah. Oh, man, it just fucking makes me angry. like it was straight up fucking harassing you. Oh, yeah. It wasn't just the Nashville. It was all everybody. And it was, for me, it wasn't anger at that time. It was fear because I, you know, didn't know. What are you even doing at a fucking movie premiere? Like if you're, what are you looking for traffickers at a fucking movie premiere that's about trafficking? Go do the fucking job. Go do your fucking job. Man, this shit makes me fucking angry, dude. There's so many fucking people in federal law enforcement agencies that don't do shit.

3:23:23They just fucking harass people. They don't do their fucking job. And then they want to know why nobody trusts the fucking federal institutions or even fucking state. Right. It's fucking ridiculous. Like, go do your fucking job and catch bad guys. quit quit quit fucking trailing around a guy that's like trying to save kids and fucking harassing him what is that shit like how the fuck do you even sleep at night yeah i appreciate i know you know this fucker too i wish i fucking knew him i'd fucking release his name and tell everybody who he is like what is that shit hey i'm in the fucking movie premiere i just so you know i got eyes on you buddy what fuck you it's a it's a uh over with in my mind you know thankfully i i appreciate that you care and i obviously i would be i'd care the same for you i uh i just i can't let it bother me if i want to work with them i know man it's just it's just It's just so fucking unimpressive.

3:24:30Like, it's just like, just do your job. For me to have any impact and to be able to do things legitimately, I have to work with law enforcement. I know, man. So I have no choice. I'm making a generalized statement that they're all bad and they're not. No, I get what you're saying. I get your frustration, and I'm sure there's way more to it that I don't know because you were on both sides, you know, at some point. So you got to see stuff that I didn't, you know. So I'm sure there's things that piss you off that I have no idea about, you know. But as for the sentinel stuff, so I want, oh, let me tell you the story of how that happened.

3:25:07Because at that point, like I said, it was a vigilante group that the intentions were all good. When I think of vigilante, I think of somebody that is trying to go out and, like, beat people up and like take the law into their own hands, like own hands and tie somebody up and put them in a closet. Like, you know, like, I don't know. I think a vigilante is a more extreme thing, not just like a guy thinks they're talking to a child on the internet. They go to meet at a public place. They're instead met with grown men who want to confront them on it until the police come. Like, I think that that, as a civilian, I don't see what's wrong with that.

3:25:43But as when it comes to the law, even though some convictions are happening regardless of it being evidence or not evidence, or vigilante, convictions, I'm glad convictions are happening. I'm glad people are getting exposed. That's all that matters to me. If anything that I could change about it would be longer sentences for the cases that happened from any of the predator catchers. But that's one thing. Another thing I want to bring up about predator catchers, that if you've noticed since our interview, I'm not saying that I'm the pioneer of predator catchers because i know i'm not there's chris hansen justin payne courtney elizabeth all like million people anxiety war all of these people that were doing it before dustin and i started it but after our stuff started to go viral a lot of other groups just popped up and like you know there were there were a couple others before before that too that that you know there's a lot to think about so i'm i'm blanking but what i did notice is let's just say a hundred new new channels pop up, a couple of them already had very large followings.

3:26:45So they're shifting what they currently do to start catching predators. And instead of them taking it seriously and talking to these people like what they deserve to be talked to as, they would rent an Airbnb, for example, and get a decoy in there that looks younger. And they'll be wearing a, you know, a clown costume with a mariachi band, I'm not even exaggerating, like, you know, while the predator's coming in, or they'll be asking them at the front door to take their clothes off so they show up naked at the door so they can get a good thumbnail, or, you know, all of these things. But what they're not realizing is, yeah, maybe you're exposing this predator.

3:27:24Maybe you get him arrested, maybe not, but you're exposing him bare minimum. Do you realize what was going to happen if you weren't there that night? Like, do you realize, like, I guess maybe I'm a little bit jaded to the subject, or more informed is a better word to this subject because I know what would have happened to that child. And I don't want to get too graphic here, man, but think of a toddler with blood running down their thighs because a grown man is hurting them physically. I think of stuff like that and these little girls and little boys and what would actually happen to them if that man, or in most cases men, but in some cases a woman, were to be there.

3:28:05Like, do you think a mariachi band in a clown costume fits in that equation? I genuinely don't. I understand it's going to get you more views. I understand it's a better thumbnail. I get what they're trying to do, but there's nothing funny about this. This isn't humorous to me. Like, this is not a joke to me, you know? So, like I said, half of it I respect. I respect that they're exposing people, using their platform to do it, but I don't think it's funny, and I wanted to make that very clear. Some people have gone to the levels where the cops aren't doing anything so much so that they're beating the crap out of them, which they deserve.

3:28:42But when you beat them up, you can't, like, now you can't call the cops and you can't get them convicted. And, yeah, it's great for views and all of that. And they definitely deserve getting beat up. But, you know, like, something's got to happen. And you had Tim Tebow on here, which is an awesome guy. Love that guy. Tim's amazing. Best, yeah, really good dude. Like, I don't think anyone could say anything bad about Tim Tebow. They try. Yeah, I've heard. They try to say shit about him. It's crazy, man. It's crazy. But, like, I don't know Tim personally. I know I've talked to his vice president, Camille.

3:29:19But, you know, he brought up situations with, you know, like, the amount of people that we have in this country looking at that material at ages. what, under 12? If I can remember correctly, there's 111 ,000 unique people in this country in less than 30 days. So that's the people that are recorded from whatever software is monitoring that based on statistics that are public. That means there's a way bigger number than he's aware of and that I'm aware of. It sickens me, and the problem is not, it's not that the problem is is getting better at what's happening is the problem's getting worse because the material is going to spread regardless if there's less victims because there's still material out there like there was just a case in florida with 1.2 million photos and videos that were being sold for a hundred and something dollars like that's not going anywhere it's going to keep going circulate all these communities for a very long time regardless if there's new victims or not so catching those guys is a priority obviously because they're going to re-victimize other people or re-offend, but it's just like an endless loop of disgusting horribleness.

3:30:33But like I was telling you last night about the state trooper that just got caught a couple days ago with 23 videos, having sex with his toddler in full state trooper uniform and sending the videos on Telegram. Like that was a few days ago. There's just so much, so much going on. Are you seeing this stuff? i mean i didn't not one i didn't see but it's it's uh i'm seeing the worst of the worst all the time and it's uh it's for sure but that's a topic i i actually do want to talk to you about at the end of this if you're cool with it um because yeah it's you know i've been doing this almost seven years now three years of which have been with working in tandem with law enforcement and Sentinel Foundation.

3:31:22But yeah, it definitely got more intense when I started to work with law enforcement and work with groups like Sentinel, for example. And so, sorry, I missed the entire beginning of this point. So having a vigilante group, in the eyes of the law, at least, I wanted to do that. And I also wanted to work with with Sentinel Foundation. I had six, I looked in my phone, I had six organizations reaching out to me. One of them was Sentinel Foundation. And I got a call from a guy named Jim Cole, who's a very respected fed that worked with HSI. I know Jim. You do know, you know Jim? Yeah, he's there. He's at Operation Light Shine.

3:32:08Yeah. Okay. I don't know if he still is. I'm not sure. I haven't talked to him in a while, but back then, all them years ago, he got on a call with me. I know he was in HSI for a very long time. And he says to me, he's like, hey, man, you can't be a part of, you know, any of these groups or work with law enforcement if you're going to continue to do the vigilante stuff on YouTube. And having to explain that to Dustin while we have 561 PC going was hard to do because it's like, dude, I have a choice right now to help more people and less people see me doing it. Like, I'm not going to be public about it.

3:32:44You're not going to see videos of me saving kids and arresting traffickers. And I'm not going to be putting stats out of my progress. Whereas with YouTube, you're going to see each one, one predator getting caught at a time. You're going to see more action from me. But I know I'm going to make more of an impact. And in my heart, I can't say, you know what? I'm going to push that opportunity aside because I want to continue to work on the YouTube stuff. So I chose to go with the best group that I had available to me at that time, which was Sentinel Foundation. at the time uh the guy that was running it was glenn devitt uh very nice guy i like him a lot um he's no longer involved uh and you know we we stay in touch he he's a um he's a delta guy i'm pretty sure your special forces bare minimum but i i could be wrong on that one i am not not super knowledgeable when it comes to like military stuff but uh but i know for sure that he he's involved in some way.

3:33:41So with Sentinel, since we started, I'll get into the granular stuff that I got involved in, but just one of the general stuff. Sentinel is a nonprofit dedicated to fighting sex trafficking and child exploitation domestically and internationally, which was important to me. We have partnership with law enforcement agencies across multiple states. We combat human trafficking, missing persons, exploitation cases. um we have joint operations mous with all kinds of places we have uh we've rescued a ton of different women and children uh particularly in operation between july and september so i'll keep it at that um integrated advanced osin and cyber cyber tools for real-time targeting and trafficking of traffickers i'm sorry and targeting of traffickers um meaning like uh some of the the methodologies that I use and some of my friends that have their own custom databases and tool sets I've helped integrate into Sentinel's workflow and train law enforcement in many countries on how these these things work because you'd be surprised man like the you may not be surprised but they don't know like even the ones that are dedicated to internet crimes with against children um they they don't really know what they're doing or the methods that they're using or antiquated and it's not their fault.

3:35:00They have the passion. They just don't have the tools. They don't have the resources. They don't know. So with Sentinel, what we were able to do is travel to, I mean, right now we've had operations in Thailand, Uganda, Haiti, Peru, Jamaica. There was at one point when Glenn was involved, there was Philippines. There's a ton of stuff domestically going on. There is stuff domestically going on. Yes. Yes. So it's mostly local and the Marshalls right now. But it's been HSI at one point. We had some people involved there too. It kind of skips around depending on the need. But my purpose in Sentinel Foundation was to bring something new.

3:35:46This is in the beginning, to bring new technology to the space. and uh and that turned into getting involved in a ton of operations that i never would have had the opportunity to be involved in without going public with this stuff because i would still be catching a predator one by one although i still believe is effective um now we're able to like like if you look on like fox there's a there's an article with the tebow foundation and sentinel where we pull 59 kids out of haiti you know haiti's a pretty rough place to be and i'm not the biggest guy in the world so having a team that can go in there while i do recon on a computer um gives me an opportunity that i wouldn't have sitting in my in my living room trying to track down one local predator at a time gotcha so not devaluing that but it's just a different opportunity for me well it's like i said at the beginning ryan there's not much you care about other than saving kids you don't give a shit about fame notoriety money none of that stuff i don't make a dollar from it and that's all i care about i appreciate a lot of these organizations i'm gonna say it you're not gonna say it but i know a lot of these organizations have come knocking on your door pretending like they want your expertise but really they just want your notoriety to make them more money that's exactly right and that is a damn shame i don't mind saying it either because I know it's true.

3:37:11I know it's so blatantly obvious to me now. In the beginning, it was hard to know because it's like opportunity, opportunity, opportunity. And now it's just like, okay, I get what you do. You want to do the work, not be a fucking poster boy. I commend you for that because 99 % of the people would take the poster boy route every single time. And I do have a question though. You know, I mean, you're, you know, you're the first person that I've talked to about sex exploitation and child trafficking and that kind of stuff then you know like i said that was victor marx and then you know tim tebow jared hudson jim caviezel like it's been you've after my discussion with you it's turned into i i have to hit this every so often because it's the most important issue in the fucking world wait till you see what i have to show you next why it's the most important issue.

3:38:06I know. Not only what you already know. But what I want to ask is, and look, I don't want this to come across the wrong way. Saving a child is saving a child. It doesn't matter if it's in Thailand, Peru, Ethiopia, Uganda. I don't care. It's a child. One thing, though, and I'm just curious as to why, if you know why. So many of these organizations operate out of Haiti, Philippines, Thailand, you know, Colombia, Peru, you know,

3:38:43third world countries, countries in poverty. Mm-hmm. But every single, I believe it's every single time that I breach this subject, the commonality, the one commonality is the U.S. is the biggest consumer of kiddie-pods. We're the biggest problem in the world. The United States is the biggest problem in the world when it comes to sex trafficking and sex exploitation, correct? Well, with the consumption of CSAN, like child sexual abuse material. Why isn't all of the focus on the U.S. if that is the number one problem? If we are the number one consumer? I would love to tell you, bringing what Tim Tebow said in here, there's seven people working in C3.

3:39:34There's roughly 60 Internet Crimes Against Children locations in the entire country. The people that are making the most impact, I believe, are some of these organizations that are working with FBI, HSI. And it just needs to be better than that. We need to do better. Why is it, though? Why are so many foundations going to Haiti, Thailand, all the places that I just mentioned, and very little, if any, here in the U.S.? It's just, is it the red tape? Is it, is our federal government harboring this shit? Are they encouraging it? I mean, that was a rumor for a long time, especially with the southern border, you know?

3:40:21I mean, what is it? What is it? I mean, we just saw one of the top guys at the Israeli, like, cyber fucking command or whatever got caught luring in fucking kids to have sex with in a hotel room. I tweeted this out. Did we prosecute that individual? No. We packaged him up and fucking sent his happy ass back to Israel. No consequences whatsoever. What the fuck is that? what the fuck is going on why are we why are we packaging this guy up and handed him back to netanyahu here you go here's your pedophile take care of him we don't want him to get hurt yeah what is that what is that where's the fucking justice for the kids man right where is it like what the fuck is going on in our country man and what why aren't these why aren't these organizations aren't they focused on the U.S.?

3:41:23It was the biggest problem. So my guess, just based on my experience, my guess is there's not access to a lot of the information. So if there's a group being ran in the United States, and we, like, for example, if I get involved in it, it's going right to a federal agency. And at that point, it may not ever go public. So that is happening. When it comes to, like, these big media cases that, like that you know sending someone back to israel or whatever what is that i can't answer it there's so many things that i wish i had an answer to like i i see this shit with the epstein files it keeps getting swept under the rug like it's like what the fuck is going on here man i don't get it i just don't get it and it's either a conspiracy or it's not it's definitely not a conspiracy the shit i'm talking about is real i know i'm just looking up for yourself people but the people watching, they got to make that decision for themselves or that assumption for themselves.

3:42:18Do they think that this country is holding out on the details or not? I mean, I just don't understand it. If the United States is the biggest consumer of sex crimes and sex exploitation and trafficking and all these other things, then this would be the easiest spot to make a dent, right? If we are running rampant in this realm. Well, think of it like this. I'll give you another good example to add to your argument. Every single airport you go in, what's the sign you see in the bathroom, on the walls, over the intercom? What do you hear every single time? If you see something, say something. Human trafficking is a real thing.

3:42:59Human trafficking is a fight. Call this number if you see, you know, this, this or that. Do you think they would be using that space in the airport for human trafficking signs over making ad money from advertisers? Absolutely not. It's a real thing. It's very real. The reason why we're not hearing about it, I couldn't tell you, other than there might be something just above both of our heads. And I can tell you that we work on cases domestically for sure. And we work in tandem with law enforcement on those cases. That happens. But I can't answer what happened. I'm not saying all law enforcement.

3:43:35I don't want to come across like that. But you know what I mean? when I see shit like after the first interview we did, and then you got a couple of FBI agents running you around to Nashville and fucking tailing you and surveilling you and harassing you. It's like, hey, bud, maybe like go save some fucking kids and like leave this dude alone. Like, go make something of yourself. Like do something positive. Like go save a fucking kid or anybody. Just do something. You're the FBI. Like, be an admirable fucking human being instead of harassing you. The ones that were tailing me around were the HSI guys, but they were nice.

3:44:14They were tailing, I mean, obviously the FBI tailed you into the damn premiere. Yeah, they did. They did. You know what I mean? I'm sitting right there. It was, I remember now, I don't remember the guy's name, but it was their boss who happened to be there at that time. Oh. Yeah, so that was the situation, but... But he... I remember you being pissed. I was fucking furious. Because I went to the bathroom, remember? and then in the bathroom that's when i got the text and then and then you like at that point we were in the hallway and you were pissed you just wanted to leave yeah i remember it but you know and and then you and then you see a guy like jim cole who's spent his entire career doing this yep you know what i mean and and so it's not at like the workers level but when you know what i mean i mean jim cole he's i think he's very similar to you you know that's all he cares about He was a black and white guy, straight to the point.

3:45:04He would never, that man would not jaywalk. All he wants to do is save kids. Save kids. And you know another person I want to give credit to while it's on my mind? Because I know Jim knows her as well. Someone I work with current day that I've known since the beginning of this. Her name is Yvette Thomas. I don't know if you've ever heard of her. She's like the godmother, like Jim Cole is the godfather of this space. There's not many people that have made it around. She's been in federal law enforcement for 36 years, I believe it was, 20 of which have been in specifically child crimes. So she recently, like, you know, she helped me identify a bunch of victims in a case that we were working.

3:45:43And it was a case in Cleveland where a guy was getting girls, little girls and boys, on FaceTime and group calling people. and they were getting paid, this scumbag was getting paid, to have them do sexual acts via FaceTime. The phone of that suspect got dumped, and there was a bunch of children's faces and more on it, but all I received at the time was like 140 photos of children's faces and different, you know, some were looking this way, that way, some were blurry, but the ones that I could identify, I identified. I identified a bunch of them, and she's got some tools I don't have, so I sent her the files.

3:46:22She identified a couple of them as well, I sent them back, and since they're all in the Cleveland area, they were able to identify, I'm assuming, way more. I don't have a direct contact with the guy right now. I'd have to wait till I text him after the interview. But just think of all of the girls and boys in that area. A lot of them go to school together. They do things together. They're going to be able to identify each other. So I feel really good about that. And her and I have worked on a bunch of cases like that, which are just thrown at us randomly. Technically, she's retired right now. She's doing this just out of the kindness of her heart.

3:46:58And there's not many of hers. There are not many of Jim Cole's. There are not many of Ed Thomas'. It's just a blessing to have those people in this country. It's odd. You know what I mean? We've been screaming at the top. I mean, dude, the episode we did, hundreds of millions of views. With all the clips, all the reels, the episode, the downloads, like all together, it's hundreds of millions of views. And that's just one, that's just two people talking about it for less than three hours. Yeah. Right? Now there's lots of people talking about it. I just, I just did a music video with John Rich, who's singing a song about child exploitation.

3:47:35I met this woman who was trafficked and now she's, she's kind of doing what you're not, not with the tech and stuff, but you know, she's, she's going after traffickers. She's doing she's helping with rehabilitation, you know, and I'm hoping to actually get her on the show. Her name's escaping me right now. Wish I knew it. But, you know, and then anyways, what I'm saying is like all these people are screaming at the top of their lungs at how often this is happening. And you see it. I mean, fuck. 50 percent of the people I interview here, you included some type of you don't call it trauma. I don't know what else to call it.

3:48:13Yeah, I get what you mean. Sexual trauma. I would call it trauma. so you can call everyone. It's not trauma to me, but I get it. You know what I mean? At least I just had Tig from Benghazi here, and he was talking about how many. It was like, I can't even remember how many times he was sexually assaulted before he was an adult. I mean, I was like, Tig, like, fuck, man. It's like a monthly occurrence for you. This is horrible. A lot of people are scared to talk about it. And then Tim comes on, and just like you said, seven, I thought the number was actually nine, but only, whatever, you know, seven, nine, less than ten people in the entire country are dedicated to this.

3:48:56Yeah, less than ten. Like, somebody's stopping that from growing. Somebody is fucking stopping that from growing. But don't forget about, like, yeah, you're right, there's some things that are out of, that are definitely, I don't know, but there are, the FBI and the HSI, and even Secret Service have a child crime. they all have a little piece in this fight. A little piece. A little piece. They need a big piece. Why is this not growing? Because, Sean, I could pull my laptop up, not go into a teen chat. I could go on a dating app right now. Let's give you an example. And within, like, I could just put my laptop down to the side.

3:49:29If I open that up, like, it shows a map of where you're at. And it's a whole other topic that would take me an hour to explain, but it's a great app for decoys to go on because it shows, it's not a good app for, It's a horrible app for children. It's an app for gay people. And very similar to if you're familiar with Grindr. Grindr is a dating app where they can swipe yes, yes or no, or message the people, and their conversations delete when they're done. They hook up with each other, and they never see each other again. It's not really like a relationship app. This one is called Sniffies. Sniffies?

3:50:08Yeah, it's not an app. it's a website that can work on mobile or computers and you can press the button use anonymously you don't need to put in any email you don't have to sign up you have to do nothing you click use anonymously you end up with this map around you because you share your your approximate location which is pretty spot on to your exact location especially if you're on a phone and it tells you everyone around you that's using the app if i throw up a picture of myself using like a filter that makes me look young, I'll get DMs from people in this area, not just somebody in a teen chat that's, you know, anywhere in the world, people here, and then they'll message, you know, you have to go and you have to have a little bit of a conversation back and forth.

3:50:48They'll ask you how old you are. You tell them you're under. And, you know, let's just say eight out of 10 times, they're fine with it, and they want to meet up. So for the decoys out there and the other agencies out there, if they could just automate sniffies, they would find a ton of these guys. They could automate the process and literally go just set warrants and pick them up. Like it's that easy. It's like shooting fish in a barrel. Why the fuck aren't they doing this stuff, man? I really don't know, man. That's the part that frustrates me. It's like they want it to happen. I don't... I'd hope not.

3:51:19I mean, I hope not too, but when... I mean, it's like... I mean, what else can you think? It's weird. This shit's been going on forever. And it's getting louder and louder and louder and louder. and nothing's being done man it's just non-profits setting up all over the place it's all these non-profits which you know which is great thank god somebody's taking it into their hands but it should be our fucking law enforcement that's doing this shit that's who it should be yeah and it's not yeah i agree and and i i don't want to speak negatively here and be wrong but you know when i get into the 764 case um the fbi has to my knowledge 240 different uh active investigations right now regarding the 764 case i can tell you that within the short period of time that we've started an operation at sentinel investigating 764 um there is more than 240 different things that we found that you know so like with with just passive reconnaissance say that again the fbi has how many they have 240 let me let me get the numbers for you just so i want to be 100 accurate what a joke what a fucking joke i don't want to talk negatively but it's it's true so i'll read it straight from here here we go get ready to get pissed off everybody okay so 764 uh adjacent discords and all of the because remember i'm not giving these people credit by username not giving them credit by their group names the only one that i'll that i'll talk about is 764 because it's only giving them what they want they want recognition these people um there's a ton of subgroups a ton of them that all are doing exactly the same thing but they i'll get into the whole story in a minute but the fbi is part of 250 probes tying these streams to global ranks 250 so i was off by 10 the fbi the fbi has found 250 probes is the word that i'm reading so i can tell you that there's way more than 250 people doing this i there's more than 250 people in just one server that i would join to to get some screenshots that I'm about to show you.

3:53:45That's what the FBI has. What has Sentinel done? Sentinel, just in the last month and a half, almost two months, we've infiltrated three different groups that I don't want to name, but you'll see them. I would say there's a thousand different users, the minimum, minimum a thousand. So you've probed a thousand? Users. And the FBI's probed 250? I don't know if they're talking about, they're not really clarifying here. It's 250 probes. That's all it says. So I don't know if they mean users, groups, arrests, communities. I mean, there's a lot of, I don't really know. Well, it's definitely not arrests.

3:54:26Otherwise it would say arrests. No, it's not arrests. It's not arrests. The FBI hasn't done nearly as many arrests as they need to. This is 250 in a lifetime. Sentinel does it for two months and gets a thousand. And watch what happens. How many people work at Sentinel? um they're working on this case specifically this is an operation that i got to kind of cherry pick people involved uh there's if you don't count one of the main guys uh that's that's overseeing it with the with the feds um there's six six six people six people on this operation wow wonder how many people at the fbr are working on it must be less than six right i mean if you guys got a thousand in a couple of months and they got 250 and i don't know you're gonna get my house on fire sean well that's down i agree with you it's it's frustrating i just what can i do about it as you know yeah somebody's house needs to sound the alarm but it ain't yours what's yeah Yeah, government agencies.

3:55:29It doesn't matter who's in there. They're just worthless. They're just worthless. I like that. A lot of hope for this one. I did. I had a lot of hope. For what? For that things are going to change and they're going to be great. We're going to go after all the bad guys. Speaking of that, going back on a positive note, what has changed, like you just got done saying, The preventative side of things, I truly believe and said to you in the beginning, I believe that preventing it from happening in the first place, if possible, is the most effective solution to this problem. Yeah. So by letting parents know that this is a thing, by letting parents know what they can do about it, how they can talk to their kids about it, educating them about it, there's a very strong chance you're going to stop something that you would have just thrown the iPad at your kid or put them on a computer, not knowing like, oh, it's a kid's game, Roblox, little cartoon squares running around the screen.

3:56:26How dangerous could this be? Like, if they don't know any different, then they're putting their kid in a dangerous situation and they don't know it. But if they know and they're listening to the words that you and I are saying and they take action, I feel like that's making change. So I think that is valuable. But that's just my opinion on it. It's definitely making change. I just wish that the government would take this shit a little bit more serious. Agreed. You know? So... They're the ones that really have the keys to make this shit go away. Yes. They aren't fucking doing it. They are not doing it.

3:57:06I agree with you. It's frustrating that more can be done. That is for sure. Are we getting ready to talk about... Yeah, I want to show you one more thing, though. Okay. Regarding that, because it just kind of brought it to my attention. I want to... We got to take a break before we do that, because I'm already about to lose my fucking mind, and this is really going to... But this is something I want you to see because you're already pissed off. And I'm not trying to piss you off more, but it's something that you need to know. This is straight from the Google website. And this is the global request for user information.

3:57:38So you can see here, subpoenas is red. Look, so back here is 2010, barely less than 10 ,000. going all the way to 2000 let's say 15 we're at 20 000 requests for less than 20 000 requests for subpoenas right then you start getting into these later years holy shit the biggest difference like triple quadruple you know quintuple uh so this information this is just google this isn't all the other places that are receiving subpoenas and this is you know primarily i would say the united states who else is sending subpoenas to google so i mean other people are but jeez is that a is that an image it's an image but it's it's on it's on google's website you can we gotta we gotta we gotta overlay that on the screen yeah i could send it to you all right so we're getting ready to dive into the nasty shit yeah all right let's take a break get some water okay take a lap yeah you're ready we both need it cool oh before before we do that before we do that hold on i want to give you this hoodie so it's a pen tester hoodie um a little easter egg in here check this out so you got the pen tester p logo but then on the other side you'd You rockin' Zero Day?

3:59:04Nice. Love it. Yeah, and then on the back, I asked your assistant, and she said you wear a large, so hopefully this fits you. Perfect. So, hack all pedos. Hack your local pedo. Love it. Love it. Yeah, and you know, another... The reason why I actually got that idea was a good friend of mine. His name's Scammer Payback. He's got a YouTube channel as well. he catches catches scammers that are like going after elderly people you were telling me about this guy yeah he's awesome i want to get him on the show he is awesome his name his name is perogi is his username um i don't want to say his real first name because he doesn't guys get along oh i love him he's a really good friend of mine he's he's a believer in god which matters a lot to me and he uh he knows the bible inside and out so he teaches me a ton and um and one time i was over at his office.

3:59:59We've done a bunch of videos together now, all in all, all in the last three years, but we've done a bunch of videos together. One of which was an interview where one of his team members was interviewing me. And in the middle of an interview, the, the, he's got a connection at HSI that he, that he deals with named Scott. Scott calls him, says, yo, we got some people here. HSI is outside and they want us to go. One of the other people that work in the office has this cashmule on his way to pick up what he believes to be$40 ,000 in cash from an elderly woman. I'm doing an interview just like this, but with his team member, and they say like, yo, we're about to leave.

4:00:37We got to go catch this cashmule in a parking lot. HSI, we're thinking, is involved. HSI last minute says that they don't have anybody, so they back out of the situation last minute. Not Scott's fault. Scott was trying. He's in a whole different state. But And I leave the interview, mid-interview, get in the car. I'm in the car with my back like this because, you know, I grew up in the hood and I ain't getting shot. So I look nuts in the video. I'm all the way back like this. And we're in this parking lot waiting for the cash meal to show up, driving four hours north to meet where we were supposed to meet.

4:01:15And we're looking around the parking lot. We see this. We didn't know what they looked like. We just knew they were coming to collect the cash. and we knew that they were going to most likely have a different, they were driving from Florida. So we knew that they were going to have a most likely have a Florida plate. And eventually a Florida plate pulls in and we see it circle around the parking lot a couple of times. And then they start going into this other parking lot and then we start following them. Guy gets out of the car. He's a heavier set Asian guy. Goes into the Lowe's and he walks around the store.

4:01:48it comes out again and we're like that's definitely the guy that's definitely him it's at the plates there he's acting suspicious and nobody wants to get out of the car at this point because everyone's scared and i'm the same guy like i said hiding because i don't want to get shot just in case now i see the guy out of the car i don't think he's got any firearms on him or anything like that so i'm like i have tattoos i could probably come off like i'm a scumbag that has 40 000 in cash to hand off to him so i get out of the car i literally said that that was that was my words I get out of the car I go right up to his windshield.

4:02:18I could come off as a great scumbag. That's exactly what I was trying to get at. So I go right up to the dude's windshield and I'm like yo man what's up and he gets out of the car I bring him out and I'm like so you're here to pick up 40 ,000 and I start to like you know go at him and I was like yo lift up your shirt. I didn't tell him I was law enforcement or anything I just said lift up your shirt and he lifts up his shirt he actually listens to me and I make sure he doesn't have a firearm. I was like give me your ID give me your ID and he shows me his ID I take a picture of it um at this point I find out he's on a visa here he's got some type of like that license that I've never seen before it's like a visitor's license and um then he he starts walking not running but walking and now he doesn't know to speak English he only knows how to speak some some Asian language and I don't know I guess he understood everything I said was talking fine prior to realizing he's getting trouble but uh At this point, no one in the local area, no local PD and HSI were coming to pick him up.

4:03:16So it was like the only thing I could do at this point is just film the guy and ask him questions and use Google Translate to try to get his responses. So I'm chasing this dude around the Lowe's, just walking around, watching him pick up. Like he's driving four hours from Florida to get, I think he grabbed rubber gloves. I think he grabbed Tide laundry detergent or no, I'm sorry, clothes detergent and like, and nothing else that was like you drove four hours to Lowe's to pick up some laundry detergent and rubber gloves like no dude like just just tell the truth what were you here to do and then the the team that Pierogi works with his camera payback he uh he started taking the screenshots of like saying on my way where you see like the gps screenshot and matching up the route and everything to where the Lowe's would have been and it was all spot on so it's 100 % correctly the guy information was sent along to the feds not sure what happened with it but uh but the video is on on youtube if anyone's interested in seeing you can see me in the middle of the interview have to get up this out yeah i said it was like the same way you and i are talking now imagine someone opens the door and it's like yo we got to go there's a cash mule hsi is outside boom and we just book it right out the door and we're on our way it's like yeah so so big big props to scammer payback, pierogi.

4:04:28Big props to him because that man, he's a holy person, a good person, a charitable person, and all he cares about is saving elderly victims. And nobody's perfect. I'm sure he's made mistakes in his life, but the guy is a good dude. And I've spent time with his wife and kids. I've spent a week at his house before, working, but at least spending a week at his house. I really like this guy. Dude, you got to connect me with this dude. I'll connect you with him. I will. If you're running with him, he's got to be great people. He is great people. You'll love him. Let's take that break. All right. Sounds good.

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4:06:24What's the tallest building? What do you think, Sean? We're high.

4:06:42All right, Ryan. We're back from the break. Now we're getting into the heaviest shit of the interview. Yeah, the most important to me personally. Yeah, so we're talking about, are we going right into 764? I think that's what we should do, yeah. Okay, so what is 764? What is it? So I'll tell you in my own words first. 764 group is a Satanist cult group that focuses on extreme violence. and one of the main things that they focus on is towards children. They're labeled as a nihilist group, and for anyone that doesn't know what a nihilist is, it just means they believe that nothing matters. There's a group called it, but no lives matter.

4:07:30No human life matters. Nothing matters. That's what a nihilist is. And these people have proved over and over again that they fit exactly the description that they're labeled as. And there are a ton of offshoots of this group, which I want to make it very clear that the main reason why they do a lot of the things that I'm about to show you is to get the recognition for it. There is to get the recognition individually, even if they're part of a group or a group that, you know, they just want their group out there in any way, whether it's negative or positive. This group isn't looking for positive attention.

4:08:10I'll just be candid about it and tell you, they extort children out of sexual material. They extort children into cutting their wrists, hurting themselves, cutting areas of their body, engraving their names into their chest, their legs, their arms, their faces. um they they've had children commit suicide live live on camera in front of audiences of people while they get cheered on they uh convince children to kill animals in their house like their their pet cats or pet dogs they try to convince them to kill their family members commit mass murders um bestiality incest you name it a lot of it has already been done and I have a lot of examples of that to show you today.

4:08:59And that is only with two of these groups that we've been doing passive reconnaissance on for a short period of time. There is plenty of other active investigations that are going on with other organizations and that I may or may not have involvement in. But what I can show you today is based on what Sentinel and I have found in a relatively short period of time. and it's going to blow your mind. It's absolutely disgusting. And there's more to it. But it was created by, it was unbelievable, but a 15-year-old boy started this group in Texas. A 15-year-old boy? 15-year-old boy started the group.

4:09:43He was the beginning of it. And he, from what I read, was a nonverbal kid that had some issues. You know, I don't want to glorify this kid or talk about him in any way where anyone would feel bad for him because he created something that is the worst thing next to, you know, all the other things that we've talked about. This is probably one of the worst things I've ever seen in my life. And, you know, we'll see how you feel about it when you see it. But it was all started from this kid. And there is something called, I'm not sure if you're familiar with it, but it's called The Calm. and the com is a collection of mostly teenagers, but there's adults in there as well that congregate on the internet.

4:10:28The com is short for the community and they congregate on the internet and they dox, meaning like release personal information on people. They swat, meaning they send SWAT teams to people's houses just to, you know, scare them and to, you know, get recordings of them being swatted so they can use it to brag. Like, for example, they'll call in to a local department and say, Hey, my name is John Doe. I have bombs strapped to the windows. I have my family strapped to the chairs. I'm going to shoot them all if any police enter the door. They're going to say all these horrible things, so that a SWAT team, you know, responds.

4:11:06And that's what SWATing is. I've personally been SWATed three times, two of which, like, police actually showed up, and it was a big deal. I had a video of one of them, but I never gave them the recognition that it happened. There was no proof that it happened other than my recordings of it that I saved on my phone. I never put, I didn't want to give them the credit, you know, so that's the comm. The 764 group actually came from the comm and that doesn't mean all of the people, the people in the comm have their own problems. They do their own stupid stuff. They've been torturing me since I was on your show three years ago, releasing my credit report, my personal information, sending pizzas to my houses, USPS boxes to my houses, and pretty much thousands of boxes, literally thousands.

4:11:56Sending what to your house? USPS boxes. Why? Because they're free. You can order them on the USPS site, and they'll just keep sending pallet after pallet after pallet of these boxes. Just to be annoying, though. They do it to be annoying and to get a reaction out of you. That's the come. And they, a lot of them don't like me. And that's, you know, I'll keep it, I'll keep the calm pretty short because they're, they're a whole different topic, but, you know, usually just annoying. I wouldn't say that they're hackers. I would say they're more annoying and they have technical abilities. getting information on people the way that they mostly do it is they like to use the term tlo which tlo is just something transunion offers to to run a report on somebody and they'll use like a stolen private investigator's account to run somebody's name get their social credit report and all of the above and if they don't have access to one they'll pay 15 bucks to someone that does and that's how they got my information which i don't care i was i genuinely don't my credit's frozen.

4:12:58My address is out there publicly. There's nothing about me that they're going to find that isn't already out there. Like, it doesn't matter to me. You can dox me all you want. You can try to swat me, but, like, I know all the police all around my area. They're fully aware that people are going to try swatting me and have continued to try to swat me. I'm not really worried about them. It's more so the 764 group that stemmed from the comm, which is a whole different set of evil that I've never seen, where they want to, like, they want to sex to their children. They, like, and usually, for the people out there that are not familiar with that term, is when somebody sends naked photos, could be an adult or a child, and the second that those photos are sent, they say, if you don't send me X amount of dollars, I'm going to send this to your family, your friends, your school, your loved ones, and they try to extort them out of funds.

4:13:58Most of those sex stewarders, not that it's okay by any means, but most of them are just trying to make money. They're not trying to do anything evil. And nine times out of 10, they're never going to send that to anybody. Because they're never going to get paid if they do, number one. And number two, if there was a child that they have nude images of, they would be distributing c-sam like solid sex abuse child sexual abuse material so you know it it happened the reason why i say that is i have a family member it's very close to me that it happened to he sent stupid pictures he was an underage boy and uh i won't say his name obviously but i had to coach him through how to deal with these people and they wanted money they didn't want any any of this all other evil stuff and i got them to click a link the scammers i found out that they were in a foreign country that was, I believe it was Nigeria.

4:14:57It was a couple of years ago, but I think it was Nigerian scammers. And I told him, just ignore them. Just don't say anything to them, ignore them. I know it's hard. I know you probably feel like they're going to ruin your life, but they have no benefit in sending your photos to anybody. And they didn't. That doesn't mean that doesn't happen. It just didn't happen to him. And most of the time, why would they? It's wrong. And I'm not saying it's right. I'm not trying to make it sound okay. But in comparison to what these sex daughters do, it's not even comparable, man. I remember you telling me about these guys the last time we met in Florida.

4:15:34Yeah. How bad this shit is. Yeah, I've been working on this for a long time. And with Sentinel, it's been a few months, but I've been working on it for a long time. So it is... How did these guys pop on your radar? So, I was... A federal agent actually gave me a heads-up about them. And from there, I never heard of them at that point. And I started digging in, just reading the public stuff out there, and it blew my mind. It was like the clearest definition of, you know, evil. I keep saying the word, but it is just pure evil. And that's what they want. That's what they're going for. But it's just hard to believe that people out there exist that are even worse or if not the same level of evil as the other people that I'm fighting against.

4:16:22And a lot of them are teenagers and young 20-somethings, but there's the random 30-, 40-plus-year-olds that are involved in this as well that they just want to cause harm. They want to cause destruction. And what is the next level? It starts with, and I'll get into some of the terminology, but they call it cut signs, or I've heard in some of the groups cut sluts is what they'll call the little girls, where they cut a username into their arm or their breasts or their legs or whatever part of their body. And it started with that. And then it was, OK, what's the next step? Kill the animals and then, you know, hold up a username with on a piece of paper and then hold the dead animal in the other hand.

4:17:05And, you know, like that group would then send that message everywhere. And then the person thinks by doing that, like the child thinks by doing that, they're going to stop. They're going to leave them alone. And what ends up happening is they know that that victim is just going to keep doing whatever they ask because they've already done it, and now they're in possession of the nudes, and these people will send it to your family and friends. And it's just unbelievable. There's more to it. But I want to show you some of the content and some of the questions that I'm sure you're going to have. I can answer, and I want to.

4:17:37There's just so much to this that I could go on like an hour tangent trying to explain it. But can I just start by showing you this situation, and then we'll take it from there.

4:17:54So, I went into the 15-year-old that started it. He started luring miners from Minecraft. That's where it all began. It all started with him luring miners on Minecraft to, you know, sextort them and make them self-harm. the group was influenced by order of nine angles which is a satanist group outside of the internet which is a combination of satanism neo-nazism occultism um and all all kinds of things so you know obviously that goes with if i want to just read it read a list it's rejected empathy promoted ritual violence belief in culling which if you know what culling is that means that real power comes from harming others without hesitation.

4:18:40So that's like a whole Satanist belief. And then there's a ton of offshoots, a ton of these other brands. I got groups that I have notes that, no exaggeration, this long, full of different groups that are doing the same thing, full of members. How many members does this 764 group have? I don't have an exact number on it, but if I had to guess, 20 ,000, 30 ,000. How many thousand people? It's huge. Like, there is no shortage of these scumbags. No shortage. The average vulnerable target that they're going for is 9 to 17 years old. 9? 9 to 17. That's the average. They'll go for anybody. But that's usually what they run into in these games like Minecraft and Roblox and other social media apps.

4:19:28and without going into uh without going into more of these notes because i'm just trying to hit some key points and not forget them they they're targeting minors and i have a few screenshots to show you this on mental health forums so they'll go to a mental health forum where they see somebody is struggling as a kid saying that you know they're either being bullied in school and they don't want to live anymore or that they're self-harming already and you know they They'll pretend, so they lure from those groups, they groom them by trying to be their friend or pretend to be their boyfriend and give them actual mental health therapy.

4:20:08Sorry, it's hard for me to even say this. Mental health therapy. And I'll read those conversations, some of the grooming that they do. And they even have playbooks on how grooming and they have an over 240-page manual on how to do this to children that they share amongst each other. And like I said, they're all in mental health forums. They even had, I have a tweet that I took a screenshot of, I'll show you, where it's a group where they're saying, like, join here if you're struggling with mental health. and it's just a direct link into one of these horrible groups that as soon as that person or child, mostly children, believes that that person's their boyfriend or their friend or their girlfriend, one or the other, and they send those nude photos, the second that happens, then they go right into the extortion and extreme violence.

4:21:00All they want, they want to create what's called, and like I said, I'll get into the slang, they want to create what's called a lore book. So it's like a collection of all of their extortion material that they could use against them.

4:21:16And do I need to use any more of these? Let me see. Yeah, so, okay, and these notes to over 250 ongoing investigations by the FBI, briefings at Europol Conference, FBI classified 764 as a domestic terrorist group. And then there's a bunch of people that were arrested. But where do you see the time that a lot of these people got? It's nothing, man. It's nothing. And some of them are having children kill themselves. Like, it's mind-blowing. It is absolutely mind-blowing. But I'll read... Are you talking about time they got in prison? Time they got in prison, yeah. They've had people kill themselves through extortion?

4:22:04And, I mean, what is the sentence? What is it? So I'll read you some of the stories, okay? Okay, so these are just notes that I wrote for this podcast, and I figured that I would do a lot of it off the top of my head, but it gets me so worked up that I'm probably better off just making sure I get this on point. But 14-year-old, and I'm just going to use their first names, the victims, even if it is public. 14-year-old Elliot joined a black metal music forum during a tough family transition and started a new high school. 764 members pretended to be supporting, quote-unquote, friends, directing him to gorsight, which later escalated to him carving satanic symbols into his skin and producing hundreds of self-harm photos categorized as CSAM.

4:22:49So that was one, and something that I learned is that self-harm pictures within themselves, even if it's children, from what I read, is not considered CSAM, like child sexual abuse material, but if it is sexualized, it turns into child sexual abuse material. So, that's a weird thing for me. I don't fully understand that. Another one. A teenage girl named Eve was found in another Discord server, Discord's a chat application, that a lot of them use. By a 764 member posing as a friend, he faked giving her a ton of affection, support, which she desperately needed at that time, which is what she said, um then extorted naked photos and forced her on video to carve usernames deeply into her skin slash and strangle and behead her pet hamster a member said bite the head off or i'll f your whole life up in quotes and later she cut herself deeply in the bath to as they told her to turn the water red.

4:23:54And there's, you know, a video of her in a bathtub that's red, full of her blood. They even sent a SWAT team to her home, as well as leaving a permanent 764 scars all over her body. She's still in therapy. And she did all of this in her bedroom closet. And I have the pictures to show you this with this particular victim. A 25-year-old man deepened depression was targeted by a female that was also recruited into 764, so likely a victim herself, that was converted into an extorter, which happens often, by the way. That happened? That's common? That's common, because these kids, they're already, a lot of them, struggling with mental health issues.

4:24:35They find a group that they think are their friends somehow, and then they start extorting other kids. So it's a vicious cycle that needs to be broken. and she started so in this particular case the 25 year old man deep in depression was targeted by a female recruited into 764 she started daring him to commit self-harm videos which later escalated to him dousing himself in gasoline lighting himself on fire in his hotel room as the group watched and laughed at him he passed away see the screenshot i wrote of the virtual funeral because that's what he said watch my virtual funeral and I want you to hear these these idiots in the YouTube video as this guy lights himself on fire

4:25:32Bishkek called Tashtar Atta. He found a spot in the snow, set up his phone, and lit himself on fire. The entire ordeal played out live on a Discord call. At least 29 users were in the server while it happened, as he was propping up his phone, sitting on the ground, praying, then dousing himself. Some were recording, others were cheering. In one clip, someone shouts out the group. Another calls her by name.

4:26:23That's the worst death possible man. You hear that? So he said that's, he said that is the worst death possible man. And they're laughing about it. And what you didn't see on the screen is a blurred video of him lighting himself on fire dead on the ground as these people are laughing at him and naming out their groups that are not associated to 764 but offshoots of 764. So that's from a public YouTube video, but relates to that story I was just telling you. Another one, in one case, a person who was already arrested threw a brick through the window of a pregnant teen's car that was lured from Roblox.

4:27:04She threatened to report the group to NCMEC, National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, and the shock put her into cardiac arrest, killing her and the baby. The guy was arrested for being part of the COM, meaning the 764 group, and he had his own offshoot, and was charging$50 to$200 for bricking, swatting, and doxing services. So bricking, like I said, I'm going to go over these terms, but bricking means show up at somebody's house and either throw a brick through their window, shoot it up with a gun, vandalize it, break windows, do something, record the video, and post it. And sometimes when they do this bricking thing, they'll do it to their own members to see if they're loyal and won't call the cops.

4:27:50And if the cops come, they won't snitch. They'll literally do it as a loyalty test, which gets even worse in a bit. But that's what bricking is. And that guy is arrested. 22-year-old member of one of the groups kidnapped and raped a 12-year-old girl in Virginia. He was convicted and sentenced to, this is a good sentence, a long sentence, to 350 years in prison. 764 Group also leveraged animal torture, incest, self-harm, bestiality from their victims. 17-year-old member Nino live-streamed himself attacking an 82-year-old man, and two weeks later, he murdered a 74-year-old woman on video, who he believed to be Roma, to prove his loyalty to the group.

4:28:36he was only sentenced to 14 years and i have a video of that which is very disturbing he murdered he murdered he hurt hurt an old man terribly and murdered an old woman gruesomely live on discord the chat application just to prove to these people that he that he had what it takes to be part of their group um what the fuck is wrong with these people and and did you hear the sentence 14 years 14 years. Where was that? I don't know off the top of my head. How do you only get 14 years? I would imagine it wasn't the United States because if you believe them to be Roma, that's like a, like a usually other countries.

4:29:21So another one, a 13 year old girl, this happened three days ago, four days ago. Where? In Washington state. A 13 year old girl was found hanging in a parking lot in Washington while live streaming her suicide. The chat was encouraging her to take her clothes off because they said it would be hotter, quote unquote. And I have the article about that, but she, it's, the criminal that convinced her originally to live stream this was, he was dubbed with hundreds of crimes and he victimized more than 30 children alone by himself, this one guy. The 13-year-old girl was hanging in a parking lot dead while the chat was telling her to get naked because it would be hotter.

4:30:11And that just happened, so I don't know about an arrest on that yet. Slang, which I'll get into the videos in a second. So cut signs, cut sluts, carving names, group names into their skin very deeply, not like scratching a little bit, like going in, you know permanent scars in florida that that one girl was swallowing razor blades a little boy yeah or a boy yeah a little boy was swallowing razor blades on camera um a lure book victim of a victim i'm sorry a lure book is a victim collage of c-sam that they will use to threaten to show family friends in school um luring via social media online games leverage for nudes and later Eric Stewart via self-mutilation, suicide, and all the other things.

4:30:57One of them is lighting a homeless person on fire with a Molotov cocktail. That's something else that I'll show you. Swatting, sending a SWAT team to a victim's house, tricking the local PD into believing an actual crime is being committed in their house. Tradecraft, that's the evasion playbook. So meaning they're encrypted chat rooms and you need proof of crime to enter. So, like, you know, either it's a combination of you doing self-harm, showing the victims that you've had do things to themselves, murder videos of you doing things to animals or people, something, you know, they call that tradecraft.

4:31:36To get initiated into these groups, you need to prove it's, I'm sorry, tradecraft is the evasion side of things, like how to hide. um the the i don't know why i have it on the same line here but uh the the proof of crime to enter is is what most of them require for you to join these private groups um where these people are at unless you're a victim they'll just bring you in obviously uh bricking i explain what that is throwing a brick or gunshot at the house or multiple gunshots where one one of the cases was a teenage girl pregnant with a baby and the brick went through her back windshield gave put her into cardiac arrest and killed her and the baby just from a brick going through the windshield why would a victim want to join this do they feel like they don't belong anywhere else after they've become a victim because of the extortion it could definitely be the case like why the why would you want to do that to somebody else after you've just been through it i don't know i i can't put myself in their in their in their heads because i i can't comprehend this as a human being how you could even do something like this.

4:32:47Me neither. So I don't know how a victim could turn into one of these scumbags, but it happens often, unfortunately. And they're young, impressionable kids. So the way I look at it as I was young at one point in online chat rooms, and thank God I never had anything like this happen to me, and I never sent a naked photo in my life. So I've never had as a possibility, but I could see with some of the hacking communities I hung around doing illegal things, I could see myself doing something stupid that I normally wouldn't be doing otherwise because I wanted to fit in with that specific group. And, you know, you talk about a 12, 13-year-old something girl or boy, maybe these people have convinced them what they're doing is okay.

4:33:30So I don't know. I'm just trying to rationalize why somebody could be that evil, but it is a thing. And then the last one I want to add here, Sean, is blood writing, which is a very common thing they like to do, which is smearing blood on the wall, usually satanic symbols, usernames, and group names, in their own blood from the cut signs. So from there, I kind of want to put it in your hands here where you can see. What do you think the best way of doing this is? Because I have them organized in folders for the different categories of stuff. so do you do you want do you have any questions before i show you that stuff or do you want to see it and then talk about it just flip it around and show it to me there was a lot like it's a little it's going to take a second to go through so what what am i looking at here so and i don't have them in order because this this is a shared cloud thing but luring grooming like if you start with luring and you see here let me just double click it join cool friend yeah if you want to read them join cool friendly server to help you go through your hard times and that's a direct discord link yeah direct link for one of their communities and then you hit the right arrow key here outpatient wellness center then if you read their description no cp gore leaking no drugs, guns, or nudity, no advertising.

4:35:02Join group.

4:35:07Oh, fuck.

4:35:13Cultist Discord's thread. Join if you are any of the following. Mentally ill, fatherless, daddy issues, schizo, BPP. Lyme personality disorder. And then fem cells, like some, like, you know, you act like a girl or feel like a girl or something like that. So that's just some of the luring. It's easy. You know, this is how kids could join a group and not know, like, what they're joining in advance. They think, oh, this is a group full of people that might help me with whatever I'm going through.

4:35:47And scroll. Sorry. To grooming. Here is one of their, this is one they share amongst each other. Grooming. Grooming is very commonly used and easy way to get content. Usually when you have groomed your victim, she will do exactly as you say, no matter what. You have to make your victim think that you are her god and that you own her and forever will. You can find victims on games like Roblox or on social media platforms like X, formerly known as Twitter, Reddit, and Instagram, etc. Once you have found your victim, you have to spend a lot of time on her, make her think you can relate to a lot of stuff and play games with her.

4:36:38Call her cute nicknames when you have talked for a little, like princess, darling, honey, etc. This will make her more attached to you because females love being called nicknames. Once you have talked for a while, you are going to ask her to be your girlfriend, which she most likely is going to say yes to. Now that she is under your control, you may start asking her for stuff like nudes, personal information, etc. If she doesn't do self-harm already, then you must extort your victim. But if she does, she will almost guaranteed cut for your dirty needs when you have done all of this. Yep. And then here's, if you just skip that one, this is just the, you don't have to read the whole thing.

4:37:24Just this is a guy grooming a victim. I'm really sorry. And I love you a lot. You're the most beautiful, cutest, sweetest, most adorable girl in the world. But the only problem is that you're not my girl and I want you to be. I know I'm somewhat demanding of things. I'm sorry for that. And I'll work on that issue of mine. I'm just saying I really want you. You're the sweetest girl in the whole world. And I'm like obsessed with you. I don't know. But I'm sorry for threatening you. I thought I was going to lose you. So I just started saying stupid shit. I would really like you or anything. You're too sweet and cute for me to do something like that to you.

4:38:11If you gave me a chance and we date, I promise and vow on my life, I'll make it the best RLS you'll ever have. I have no idea what that one is. And hopefully the last. We can have fun all the time and I'll text you nonstop. I'll block every girl on my friends list, even the guys if you want that. I won't talk to anyone for you. I really like you a lot and I'm really sorry. is the same guy is it no it's a different person each one's different i don't understand this shit but what are you talking about lol i totally totally one stalking your account what you doing totally uh and i'm in bed right now papa finna get in shower she says i'm tired he says take a shower with papa or he says take a shower with papa she said i'll be naked scary uh he goes papa will be naked too it's okay daughter's supposed to take showers with papas papa will make your squeaky make you squeaky clean okay she says yes clean me touch all over me he says i will papa will have to touch your privates though and this is in the grooming stage remember where they don't know they're about to get extorted um jeez i mean there's this you can see please don't leave me i'll do anything i'll do it fine i love you so much more than anything anyone else in the entire world you make me so happy when i hear your voice i smile so much your voice is so pretty you're the most beautiful girl in the entire world and i hope you know that you make me so happy i hope you know how much i love you so much i'm really sorry for the things i've done please forgive me i love you respond i'm sorry just is blowing up her messenger because she's not answering them and that's the grooming side of things which you know appears if you were to not know anything else So it appears like a guy that wants to get, you know, hook up with a girl that's young.

4:40:08So I skipped some of that. And then from here, it starts to get into things that are a little more rough. So here's some of the guides you already read grooming. Extortion one, if you want to read that. To start off, for you to be able to extort, you must also have the ability to groom without grooming. You won't even get any information or any nudes. and if you groomed your victim, you pretty much have control of her. To extort a female properly, you must have the following. Personal information, addresses, names, phone numbers, and nudes. Once you have this stuff, you may start threatening your victim with, for example, sending her nudes to her parents, swatting, and leaking personal information, etc.

4:40:58If she doesn't do as you say, examples, make a blood sign, make a cut sign, kill your cat, and kill yourself, at the end, if you have done everything correctly, you should have gotten exactly what you want to. Remember, never say content is content because no one wants to see some shitty cat scratches. Right, meaning there's content is content. What they're saying is they don't want you to grab like a paper clip and and write a username into their arm. They want you to deeply cut it into there where it's going to permanently scar and bleed badly. And you read that there is a website. And I won't name the website, but there's a website that has look how long that takes to read the average.

4:41:42that's they have a whole handbook on people like they train each other on how to extort minors into doing these horrible things it's unbelievable geez this is the prologue of handbook this handbook is a comprehensive guide that provides deep insights into the tactics and strategies that can be used to blackmail and exploit victims primarily through the use of compromising photos or videos. It delves into aspects of coercian and highlights the various methods to maintain control. Oh, coercion. Coercian. Instill fear and coerce victims into complying with the perpetrator's demands. Additionally, it offers step-by-step instructions for everything there is to know about carrying out a successful scheme, from identifying potential targets, to executing the blackmail process, to creating convincing fake identities, maintaining anonymity online, monetizing, and safely storing content, ensuring that the perpetrator remains untraceable.

4:42:53This is not a handbook to teach victims how to protect themselves or seek help, but rather to teach perpetrators how to locate and exploit their victims. So my dear reader, if you choose to go further, it is at your own risk. You've been warned, but on the other side, you may find a way to unleash your deepest desires. We can all only hope, right? Yeah, so I cut the book at that point, but there's a 240-page book, and here's what they would talk about for a 14-year-old, and they rank it based on, you can read it, it's great. Choose this age if you are specifically speaking young victims who can be controlled for a long time.

4:43:3314-year-old identity. Victim reach, three stars receiving nudes, three stars success, five stars. Long-term victim, four stars. Yeah, and they're doing that for a 14-year-old. They're saying that's the odds of all of them things happening. um this is yeah so girl if i can skip right to it hold on it should be around i just saw her this this is not it here's that girl right here what is this this is just a girl she doesn't hurt herself but listen to what they say just please no okay well listen to us babe come on we're trying to help you out I just want to be left alone and leave the server. Oh, I understand.

4:44:24But it's not that simple. Can I please just do that? You want to leave the server? I don't know if you ask, but I think she's got to work for it. Yep, definitely. What the fuck is that? Are you, like, dyslexic or something? Holy shit. I'm looking in the camera to do it. You're stupid. Hey, can you hear us? Hello? Yeah, I can hear you. Hey, what's up? Yeah, I'm 27 years old, by the way, and I want your daughter to do stuff for me. Okay, that's fine. I'll report you to the police. Oh, I'm sure you will, fatty. Can you leave the room, though? I'm busy talking with your daughter. I just saw her tits, and she's like 16, I'm 27.

4:45:08Make her lift up her shirt. You think it would end here, right? Watch what happens. The girl's back. The dad gives her the computer back. what yeah watch watch

4:45:21see he's back do you want to die tonight do you

4:45:29and he ends it with do you want to die tonight and but the dad gives that girl the access to the internet after he just saw and heard not even her hurting herself but i'm threatening her That's a bad parent in my opinion This one, this girl is just cutting her ponytail But it's very sad Oh no, should we press send? Fine No It's much, okay Go Start cutting, chop chop chop chop

4:46:17F***ing safety scissors Yeah, they are really bad

4:46:26Keep going Yeah

4:46:31Please just leave me alone. This is the extortion side of things. I wanted to show you some, you know, not as, I don't want to show you videos of, you know, what you're thinking because it's just, it's too much for, it's too much. These are some of the cut signs. Oh my gosh, dude. That is the name of a person. That is fucking deep cuts. And that's the name of the group. um that's another name of the group with you know just pointless hate this is a very deep holy shit and if you read this one oh no let me get you the first one so you can it makes sense right here it's hard to read but it It says, laughing as they called me names, reposted my videos and pictures.

4:47:28I stripped myself down. I don't recognize a single square inch of my body. It's all branded, cut up, and bruised. I hate them so much. And then that's the name of the group that's cut into her stomach, part of the groups. Here's some, they're called blood signs, where they cut themselves and put the blood on the wall. And a lot of times it's satanic things, which I have one you can read. You want to read it? I don't want to read the wrong names. The username made me paint the walls of Eden with my blood, snuffed my humanity. Where is your God now? And it's a wall covered in their blood with satanic symbols that they drew onto the wall.

4:48:17very very graphic of the you know they cut themselves deeply and write this into the walls i sold my soul to the group name written on this wall with handprints of blood upside down crosses pentagrams i sold my soul to that group name again they're completely different victim do you want us to put these up i mean you're welcome to take all of this i mean has anybody done this is this there's some of this is like almost all of this is public i wanted to make sure i wasn't putting anything illegal on your show public where is this on different forums and stuff animal abuse there's a girl holding up her cat covered the head of the cat but that's the guy's username very popular in this in this uh you know all of these cults all these groups and that's just a victim, but she literally murdered her cat.

4:49:09This is a guy, completely separate situation. He killed his cat, victim. That's the cat, dead cat's body part, and they used its blood to write the group's name. There's some rough stuff, so get ready for this. Yeah, I'm going to do it.

4:49:36What the fuck, man?

4:49:42This is on a call with somebody random in the group. So this dude, we can't put that up. This dude just stomped on an old woman's head until she was dead. And then slit her throat. Yep, just to prove to that group that he was worthy. Here's a suicide from somebody that was trying to do, you know, his own version of anti-extortion. He wrote a suicide note, put himself online, puts up the note to prove himself, and...

4:50:21That's a suicide note, and then he just ends it. And that's it for him.

4:50:32the guy that was i guess already knocked out i don't know if he died or did not die but these are all different individuals by the way like the the criminals holy shit that's somebody i took the video off of this because i didn't want you to have to see someone burning alive but that's a homeless person fully engulfed in flames and murdered

4:51:00and then him in the chat bragging about it jeez dude that and then the last one that i'll show you is the miscellaneous which same username from earlier uh has me and my two-year-old sister captive he's a sick man um and then you see her with her child one day i will record it and i will fucking show everybody i will show everybody hayley either i myself or i will you i'm not fucking joking this shit over an e-girl tori over an e-girl over fake shit I Promise you either I die or you fucking die and you watch me laugh Smile at you crying in pain stupid fucking bitch. You are worth nothing nothing Okay, I promise you Tory you will be there to watch

4:52:14He's threatening her life. I mean it's just a group chat full of people that are talking we're almost done here's somebody right here who if you read this one little information about how i started this i've always been a psychopath and always wanted to watch girls inflict pain upon themselves for me my earliest cut sign i've ever got was a single K back in 2016. Over the years, I've stopped taking breaks, come back on new aliases, but I have a total of over 2 ,600 plus groomed victims. My goal is to reach 3 ,000 before I get feted. Welcome to my suicide chat. I'm trying to host my own virtual funeral.

4:53:03This is the guy who lit himself on fire in the hotel and had everybody there. I think it was 30-something people watching. To enter this group, you have to give either cut signs, deep cuts, blood signs, suicides, or bricking. You have to do arson, stabbings, or graffiti, and you need these different amount of pieces of each thing to get into certain levels of these groups to prove that you are real. so that's part of what i was talking about with the crime proof

4:53:39and then this is someone admitting to things um i have little children cut themselves for me and do weird shit and uh like i might have people like strangle themselves with a fucking cable or uh kill their pets or just do weird shit and i record it or have other people record it and then like I'm part of a cult like a really bad people cult but I'm also part of some other shit too just like uh just like lame shit oh who knows with that guy that was just a random piece of evidence here's roblox um which I'll get more into after this but you see that's that's their logo right there and then that's a shirt that says I love cp and it's in the game itself and then me not a victim like all of these things that should be censored by the game not uh not being censored this this and this donate for cp and the thing about roblox is they're making 30 of every single sale that goes through their game and i'll explain that more too once this is over they're making money off of this why why stop here there isn't a drought of kids on roblox so this person's talking about how many kids there are and this is a very this is a known group for these people this is a username that if you put that in the chat gpt i guarantee you it would know exactly what it means but if there's no ai doing moderation on roblox that stuff gets by which if the people can't see it it's it's pedophile rapist that's the username but it's spelled wrong.

4:55:21This person saying do you like play because if if you did I'd do this one this is unbelievable. So this imagine a premium service for a free app. So discord the chat application is a free application. It's about 10 bucks for their premium features and all you get in their premium features is emojis like different you know little emojis being able to color your profile with different colors and stuff and maybe a larger file size limit to send but that's all you get for discord nitro is what this is called and this conversation says i got a two-week nitro trial if you want one guy says give he says yes guy says will she cut for me he says yes we'll cut on camera he says all right other guy says if i tell her to he says can you tell her two he said nitro first he said all right so he traded a victim for ten dollars and the ability to send emojis in a chat application that's how petty and ridiculous this is here's an 11 year old victim they're selling for money oh man what do you mean they're selling her Read it.

4:57:02which is an untraceable cryptocurrency so but you see how she's got the group name written here yeah so it's she's not only being sold by people that are into children adults but she is being sold by these satanic scumbags that are doing that so is she a hostage or is this or is it's hard to tell that it she may she may have been forced to take a photo like that or she may actually be a hostage

4:57:34Yeah, so I think that is all that I have in this folder at least. Is there anything that I didn't elaborate on there? Well, I think we need to get these to my guys so we can put some of this, at least some of it, on camera. So, dude, what the fuck, man? So, this is... Oh, man. It's rough, man. I'm sorry you had to watch that. I just wanted you to understand how severe this actually is. And these are little kids. Little girls. Little kids. And boys. So, okay. So, what are the most popular games that the 764 cult is luring their victims out of? Roblox. Minecraft, Instagram, TikTok, Snapchat. Okay, tell me about Roblox and Minecraft because I don't know anything about gaming.

4:58:31I don't game, I don't... Understood. I don't either, but it's part of the investigation. You gotta, you know, a lot of times I'm investigating, I end up on these games or apps. And Roblox is the one that I'll focus on the most because that seems like the majority of the issues right now. I know little kids that use that game. There's 75 million active daily users. so it's a it's the largest child's largest children's game in the world right now i've been telling people too about what you've been telling me for what at least six months now about the 764 call none of their kids are off of it yet yeah most people just they throw their ipad at their kid they put them on roblox and like i said earlier little cartoon characters running around the screen, no harm in it, but you know, something that most people, like, most people I see, like, you didn't seem to even know, but like, they just banned a guy, like, a young guy who was actually groomed and had issues for himself on Roblox, who has a popular YouTube channel.

4:59:34He started catching predators on Roblox, just regular old predators that are interested in children, not these guys. and um he he got from to my knowledge there could be more there's there were six arrests i saw six mug shots that came from this one guy his name is schlep and he went like mainstream on the media because roblox sent him a cease and desist letter for being a vigilante on their platform they did a press release saying that they they're banning vigilantes from roblox did a whole statement you should see the stress release. It's unbelievable that their excuse, all their excuses of why they think vigilantes should not be a part of Roblox.

5:00:14There are a ton of predators. It's a publicly available. Yeah. We'll post that up right now too. Absolutely. So this is the official statement from Roblox talking, saying why vigilantes shouldn't be taking down pedophiles and set off of their platform they want these people on there they want these fucking people on there to that's essentially what it meant to me your children and your children are on here and i'm fucking telling you you better get them off you better fucking get them off it is going to happen to you yes it's a it these people they're sitting predators if you've noticed every parent fuck what fucking parent keeps their fucking kid on there after we're telling them this shit i don't know man I don't know, but it's unbelievable to me.

5:01:04And it's predators hang out in spots where they can prey on victims. That's why there's so many teachers, why there's so many police officers, why there's so many, you know, parks that things happen at, or gym teachers, or people in positions of power where they have access to children. That's where predators end up. And then people are surprised by it. They wonder why. Like, why do you think these people took the job in the first place? Do you think that they weren't a predator? they weren't a pedophile prior to taking the job. Like, they've always been one. So when they're on Roblox, and it's the largest children's game in the world, obviously...

5:01:40It's the largest children's game in the world? Yeah, largest in the world. So when they... Largest children's game in the world doesn't want people on the platform saving fucking kids. That's exactly right. Are you fucking listening to this shit, people? the largest video game platform in the world doesn't want to take any measures any fucking measures at all to save kids in fact they made a press release discouraging it yes it's a cease and desist sorry not a press release both both and you're in in in in the in you're fucking paying this platform money. You, there's millions of people that are going to listen to this.

5:02:28And I'm fucking telling you, you are paying, you are, you, you are complicit in this shit. 100%. And let me tell you some more, Sean. So Roblox, if parents have their kids playing on it, it's, if you're familiar with Fortnite, there's a similar in-game currency called, uh, V-Bucks in Fortnite and Roblox is called Robux, like R-O-B-U-X. So if you went to Target or Walmart or CVS right now, we could go buy a Roblox gift card that a kid can cash in in the game and they get a Robux balance. So they'll get it for their birthday presents or their parents will buy them these cards, which allows them to buy like outfits in the game or access to do fun things and in actual kids games, right?

5:03:08Well, there's these public games where developers, like you and I could be a developer for Roblox by just signing up to be a developer, put out a game, Roblox will host the game and then everything that's purchased by these children with in-game, in-game purchases, they make 30 % commission on. So when they leave up a server that is talking about, you know, child, in that example, they use CP as the term. And then there's other servers where they're blatantly wearing 764, you know, shirts as characters. They got upside down crosses. They got satanic symbols. They have people in the chat logs talking about grooming.

5:03:47they have all these things but they're profiting directly off of this stuff and uh and you know it they they don't have to my knowledge it's like it being the largest game in the world comes with some some responsibility you know for kids and i believe you should have a full team full of people that are familiar with child crimes working in your content moderation team and if you don't then you should be hiring these quote-unquote vigilantes that you're kicking off the platform that are getting arrested on your platform, you should be hiring them because obviously they're making more of an impact than Roblox is, at least publicly.

5:04:23Roblox doesn't want to make an impact. They want this shit happening. I guess. They want this shit happening. It's hard to believe. Otherwise, they wouldn't be sending fucking cease and desist letters to people who are trying to save kids. Yeah, wait. I mean, let me just pull up the press release. People are fucking supporting this shit. I want you to hear the title of this. Fucking wild. The title of this thing. It's wild. Roblox release. Vigilantes. What? Like, this is not something I'm just coming up with off the top of my head. It's... Let's see. I want you to hear the title of it. More on our removal of vigilantes from Roblox.

5:04:59And it goes into a very long press release that explains why they're removing vigilantes from their platform. Look at this. Why we remove vigilantes. The importance of accurate reporting. help roblox remove bad actors um what happened after this so they lost i think it was i if i might be off by a little bit but 13 billion dollars in market cap i believe it was in 24 hours after releasing this and see doing a cease and desist the guy schlep went very public with the media chris hansen partnered up with schlep to like the the youtuber to talk about this specific problem because it made no sense.

5:05:40That makes zero sense why they would want to get rid of vigilantes on their platform if they're not causing any harm other than just exposing the predators. And people, you know, a lot of people I'm sure took their kids off of Roblox, but it doesn't take away from the fact that there's 75 million daily users. And another thing outside of child predators, Roblox, actually I'll show you a picture with it, but before I show you the picture, there's a ton of Charlie Kirk assassination, excuse me, there's a ton of Charlie Kirk assassination simulators in Roblox that are publicly facing that any child can join, that are very graphic.

5:06:20Some are photorealistic, some are cartoon, where they can play the role of the shooter. They can watch in the crowd as he bleeds out. They can, you know, any child can join this. And I have photos of it so you can see. This is on the most popular kids game in the fucking world? Yes. So here's some screenshots of Roblox. If you join my Discord server, you'll see real CP. That's just one. SWAT us, we dare you. You're based in your mother's basement, but look at that. There is another one. Yep. The Roblox in-game chat references twist sexual fantasy 764 and the age of young gamer. So if you look in there, join slash that name.

5:07:05That's a very popular group for the comm. So they don't even hide. They don't even hide. No, the comm girl on cam slash where the comm girl's at. Comm girl meaning like a girl. They're telling you what they're going to do before they do it. Well, not all the time. Sometimes they lure them straight in here and they don't. In this case, they're straight up saying where to go watch it. And this is in game. Like in a children's game that should be blocking all of this. Kirk knew it was coming. Hi, Gabby. and you can see the photo of it happening on this this character's shirt uh there's a game you can literally go on the roblox website assassinate charlie kirk and just press the play button and just play it and you see this holy shit yeah you can use real vbucks to buy these t-shirts which i'm not vbucks i'm sorry robux to buy these t-shirts and you know that means Roblox is making 30 % off every sale of that t-shirt so Roblox is making 30 % off selling gamer, what do you call that like a skin?

5:08:09a skin, yeah a gamer skin, like an outfit for your character to wear that is Charlie Kirk shot in the fucking neck, bleeding to death yep, they make, Roblox makes money off this shit, nice nice, nice and parents are supporting this that's fucking genius It's unbelievable. Because they're too fucking lazy to watch their own kids. That's what this is. They're too lazy to watch their own kids and they think that it's not gonna happen to them and It's and their kids are smart enough to not fall into this trap. It's all these things. That is not the case. They're wrong They're they're wrong and I can tell you with absolute certainty I do this every day six almost seven days a week of my life is dedicated to this topic and I don't have a child And when I do, I don't know how I'm going to act as a parent, but I can tell you for absolute sure, this is not going to happen in my house.

5:09:01It's not going to happen. My kids are not going to be part of these games. They're not going to be part of social media until a later age. I understand there'll be friends that are going to hand them the phone. I know they're going to break the rules, but I want my... And look, I can't speak on what I can't... I don't know. Maybe I have a kid that defies everything that I say, and I'll eat my words at that time. but right now I'm I can't I can't understand why you would even let your child play the game why would you buy them robux in the game why would you give them access to a computer if you see they're even playing it knowing what you know right now so not just roblox minecraft 2 any game where they're talking to strangers that is unrestricted you should not let them play especially at a very young age where they don't even know right from wrong so that's I could go or I can keep going on a rant, but parents are going to make decisions for themselves.

5:09:54And the question that I'm going to get asked and I get asked by everybody is, what can you do about it? Well, the answer is two things. I wish I had a better answer. It's either sign up for a monitoring software like Bark because Bark is very good for what it does. It monitors for bullying, monitors for sexual type of activity, it monitors for suicidal ideations, all of those things. I have no partnership in Bark. I just like their company. I think they do a great job. Custodio is another one that also monitors devices, but Bark is the one I know the most. They both, I'm sure, are great. And the most important one is being aware of what this stuff is.

5:10:34Do your research. Watch the news, or Google search some of these terms on the news. 764 Group, The Calm, Roblox, Predators on the Internet. Watch some of these podcasts. Listen to some of Sean's episodes. Get yourself familiar so that when you have a conversation with your kid, when you decide this is the right age to talk to them about this or that, then you have less of a chance of them falling into this vicious cycle. And if they do fall into it, they feel comfortable enough about it to come to you about it and tell you. And that's the best advice that I can offer you. I don't have a button that just erases predators off this planet.

5:11:09If I did, then half of my life would be a lot more free than it is right now. But I got something, you know, about this. You know, this needs to spread. And so if you're a parent, when your kid's hanging around with other kids, because everybody's addicted to their tablet, because all these... I don't know what the fuck kids are doing with phones anyways. I mean, you said it perfectly the first episode. When you hand your kid a phone, you're not giving your kid access to the world. You're giving the world access to your kid. Right. I've said that many times since I've heard that come out of your mouth.

5:11:42I've heard you on that but you know you need to be asking all the parents that your kids hang around with if their kids on roadblocks if they're not on road if they are on roadblocks then you need to educate them if they still don't give a shit then you need to shame the fuck out of them that's ridiculous this shit's fucking crazy don't let your kids hang out with anybody that's playing that shit well I mean remember we might be old school but like there was a time when when going outside and riding around on your bike was like what with hanging out with friends is I know that's not the case anymore and i know that parents are going to use that as an excuse but it's what we do at my house we play outside we do fucking bikes we do creeks we do woods we do hikes we do camping we do forts we do all that shit we don't fuck around on the phone yeah and i love that about i love that and same thing with my business partners they don't play that at all same as you um there's a lot of parents that don't that will not allow it um another thing it's like and this is a whole different topic, but I just want to just breeze over it real quick.

5:12:42It could get very sensitive for people. And this has, like, if you're watching this, please do not take offense to this because it has nothing to do with you being into men, women, being trans. I don't care what you're into. You can look at me as a Christian or a right-wing extremist or whatever else that I've read about myself online. I don't care if you're gay. I don't care if you're trans. I don't care about any of the other things, gender fluid, all of the things I'm not thinking of right now. What I care about is if you're attracted to children, I don't like you. It's as simple as that. I don't care if you're a girl, a guy, a strawberry, whatever.

5:13:20I don't care. But when you bring these books into kids' schools at extreme young ages, like I'm walking in Florida, which as most of you know, is a pretty wild state and usually against a lot of things. I mean, a lot of people don't like Florida. I'm walking through Barnes and Nobles and I see that there's the gay BCs in there, bye-bye binary. And I'm looking in the table of contents of some of these books. And one of them is talking about AIDS. It's like, how do you explain to your four, five, six, seven-year-old kid what AIDS is without telling them what anal sex is? Like you can't, you can't.

5:13:54So why, why bring these children's books into a school and expect kids to like, I didn't learn about sex ed until maybe a seventh, eighth grade in gym class. And it was like cartoons on the screen explaining what the body parts were. These kids are learning, like, for you to know what the opposite sex is and for sexes to be attracted to the same sex, they have to understand what sex is. And the only people that should be teaching their kids about anything sexual is their parents. So I don't know. That's a whole different topic, a whole different tangent. But I don't like these books. It's got nothing to do with lesbian, LGBTQ.

5:14:28It has nothing to do with that. I really genuinely on my everything that I love. I don't care, but I do care when it comes to kids. I think they should make that decision as grown adults. And, uh, you know. This is why so many people are moving to homeschool. It makes sense at remontessory schools. Tons, tons of people are moving to the homeschool program because of shit like that. Sorry, I'm just, it's got me pissed off. We've covered that stuff several times, Ryan. You don't have to cover it again. You don't have to cover it again right now. It just got me frustrated. Because it wasn't too long ago that I found out that it was in Florida bookstores.

5:15:02Stuff's been going on for a long, long time. Very frustrating. But that's why you are seeing this wave of people move into homeschool. Because they're just tired of the shit. They're not going to deal with it anymore. The last thing I want to say real quick is when talking about these cults and satanic groups and some of the stuff that we talked about I understand the people that are watching, some of you are not going to be able to see these videos in full, pictures in full. But I want you to understand how graphic this stuff actually is, how much damage they're actually doing to children, to animals, to their family, to strangers, how volatile this could be.

5:15:47And remember where it starts. It starts on these games like Roblox, like Minecraft. websites masquerading themselves as mental health support groups. It could even be an actual mental health support group that they groom your child off of. So remember those things. If you don't see any of the content and you don't believe it's as severe as I'm saying that it is, and Sean saw with his own eyes, just trust me when I tell you that it is. And I pray to God that your kid never becomes a victim of any type of sexual crime, as well as any sort of crime or murder, turn them into a crime, all of it. I don't even know what to say, Sean.

5:16:27It's got me, I can't, I've never spoke on this topic. We're doing it, Ryan, we're doing it. The parents that care are going to watch this. Their kids aren't going to be on Roblox anymore. They're going to be educated just like the last time. And then there's going to be a handful of parents that just don't give a fuck. That's on them. That's on them. They can, they can regret it when they, when they figure it out themselves. Just this alone is going, I mean, and look, if it's not, if let's say Roblox disappears tomorrow, let's just say 75 billion people watch this episode and they're all on Roblox and they're like, fuck it, I'm out.

5:17:02That's just going to move to something else. So you got to be, you have to be a vigilant parent. You have to pay attention to what your kids are doing online. But I think, you know, the majority, at least this audience, people take action. I believe it and I know it. I meet people all the time that watched our first episode. And like I'm repeating myself, but have said that they've made changes based on what they saw on our episode, on other things I've done. But it doesn't matter where they hear me. I don't care if they hear me in a bathroom stall in Jamaica or Haiti. It doesn't matter. As long as they're hearing it from somebody, it doesn't have to be me.

5:17:44And they make a change. That's all I care about. I did want to cover one more topic here. Absolutely. We were chatting about it last night. Only Fans for Teens. Yes. Brand army. I had no idea this shit was going on either. Yeah. What the fuck is this? I mean, you educated me on it last night, but I'd like you to educate the audience on it. Sure. So the brief, because that's a whole investigation within itself. So if you're not familiar with Only Fans, it's a website where people can sell their bodies for money. that's that's for adults adults only there's a site called brand army that you can join the site as early as 13 years old and they have a have a policy of how how many bikini slash like you know revealing photos that you can post uh before like so you you could post let's say one bikini photo and then it has to be two normal photos and then another photo that's revealing and then two more normal photos, and these are 13-year-old girls or boys, but the other part of it is to subscribe to their content where they're paying for the child's content and the parents are actually directly profiting off of it.

5:18:54You have to be 18 years old to subscribe to the children's content. So it's so backwards. There's a house in Florida called the BOP house, B-O-P house, that BOP is like a slang term kids are using for like a slut or whatever. And there's a lot of OnlyFans girls living in there, but one of them was under 18, and they were waiting for her to turn 18 to bring her on to OnlyFans, and they were using Brand Army before that. Are you fucking serious? Yeah, so they knew exactly what they're doing. It's not like a misunderstanding. This is very, like, the parents that are doing it and letting their kids use Brand Army are fully aware they're selling, they're sexualizing their children and profiting off of it.

5:19:35They're fully aware of it.

5:19:44i didn't think i was going to get this worked up this episode my my apologies ryan what are you doing to take care of yourself um i worry about you man not a lot man but i got some advice recently to there's a great therapist in texas that i was told about who specializes in some of this specific type of stuff. And, you know, a lot of this I feel like I compartmentalize and I'm having some physical issues I talked to you about. I don't really want to get into that here. But even if I really feel like I'm able to compartmentalize and focus on this being a good thing and I keep convincing myself it's worth it because it's a good thing and I don't let it affect anything in my life, that's what I really believe, it's now physically proven to me that that isn't the case.

5:20:31It has to be subconsciously affecting me so much so that it's becoming a problem I need to get help for. And I'm not saying that to pity me or to feel bad for me, but, you know, take many years of dealing with the most gruesome stuff that's, you know, probably worse than murder every single day. And I think anyone is going to have some type of reaction to it. If you didn't, I think there'd be something wrong with you. So at some point, I will seek out the right type of help. Therapy is a tough topic for me. As you know, I've owned three mental health facilities, so finding a good therapist is a little harder for me than your average person because I got some internal feelings about them.

5:21:11And then growing up with therapists, they weren't the most trustworthy. It's like they were more my friends than they were my therapist. It's tough for me to believe anything anyone says that's a therapist, but if and when that one in texas works out i'll be happy to do it and uh and any other thing i'll update you and you know i'll let you know but yeah i need to take care of myself right i want to bring this up because we've had several conversations about this last night you were telling me stuff and i'm not going to get specific but it is very much affecting your life and people who are close to you that are around you and you know i know dude different sector not as dark as the shit that you're in but spent a lot of time at war i just want to fucking tell you man like i get it i know that every time that you you you need to take off to get help you think of that as there's one more child that's not going to get saved dude you cannot fucking think like that you have to take care of you because if you don't this shit is all gonna come crashing down and then you will not be able to function and then there's gonna be a shit ton of kids that aren't gonna be saved because you're not right so you have look dude you have to fucking take care of yourself you have to go on vacations you have to be around people that love you you have to get you have to get help you have to clear your head you have to do these things or it's not going to end well for you man it's not i appreciate you saying that i want to i want to say this in front of this audience because they're going to back me up yeah and i respect you i respect you and i know that you know what ptsd looks like i know you know what trauma is and if you're telling me i need it I believe you.

5:23:07I take your word for it. You know, it's a, it don't, there'll be a time where you get a text from me randomly and I tell you, I'm doing this, I'm doing that. I'm doing it. It's going to happen. It's a, it just, I pushed it off for long enough that you're right. I get what you're saying. It's just so much easier for me to push it off because of the reasons you just stated. We talked about them last night. So I, uh, I need to focus on myself because if I, yeah, I don't even want to get into what I'm going to say. So I just started, I need help. I don't do it for you. something that's what you're saying if you don't do it for you do it for your mom do it for your girl yeah do it for me do it for everybody do it for everybody just fucking take care of yourself i can't help anybody if i can't help myself so i'll keep it at that all right i will definitely get help i appreciate that i love you to death and i appreciate you very much i love you too brother thank you man i'm proud of you proud of you too it's an honor

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