#262 Aliia Roza - Russian Sex Spy on Seduction Perfumes, Sexpionage and Honeypot Tradecraft

32:2884 to 91, seven years old? Yes. Yes. So it was, I mean, that was my childhood. That's what I remember. And it was like, wow. So it created this sort of like lack of food and lack of stability and lack of like belief what would happen tomorrow. You know, when you're a kid and you are growing with like seeing all that, you understand that everything is so shady and it's like unpredictable and you cannot trust like anything really, neither your government. Right. Right. Then my father, that time, he couldn't help my mom because he was constantly at his work where he was not get paid. So he was that time an officer working in the military.

33:17He went to the military because of his father, because, as you mentioned, like my grandfather was a hero of the country, you know, fighting Nazi. And I mean, it's a big pride of our family. It's a heritage. So I was raised with these beliefs. Like, you know, you also need to go and protect your country. You also need to be, you know, you need to be proud of your roots. So my father was preparing me, preparing me slowly to this military career, which I didn't know that time. But every day he would teach me. He would come back home. we would have a dinner and he would teach me at least one hour a day about all the psychological techniques which I didn't understand that time like different scenarios in life so he would like give me like test so this is the situation in life what would you do ABC so I would pick up like an answer and then he would explain me why this would work and why this wouldn't work So when I was kind of like ready enough, then he taught me the extreme driving, the gun shooting.

34:27And, uh, of course I had to do physical activities. I actually was, um, I won like some competitions between like obelists, which are states, you know, like here are states in Russia, they have obelists. So it's like a few cities together. So it's like similar. Um, so I won some competitions in like gun shooting. I was the best gun shooter and you ask me like Shelby to the gun shooting I kind of like miss it but for me this is like PTSD you know so I try to stay away from guns and all that so I stand for peace and so he taught me a lot when I was a teenager so he was preparing me for my future career yet But so I finished my high school with like best grades.

35:24Like I was, you know, I was so nerdish. I was so like this, you know, like this bullet girl. First of all, I was only one Asian looking girl in the whole Russian school with like all these kids, blue eyes, blonde. So of course I was bullet, which is normal. Second, I was such a nerd. So nobody would do like homework as normal in high schools. Everybody would be like, you know, going to like dates and all this. I would be the one who would do my homework and reading books at night, you know, like Dostoevsky, Chachov, like Pushkin. So students, my people, like they hated me because I was a nerd.

36:05So I always would know. I always would do my homework and teachers would like, okay, so nobody knows. Okay, come on, you know, give us the answer. So, of course, they hated me. And then at some point, I also felt myself like ugly duckling. So I was not allowed to go out. I was not allowed to, you know, have friends. So I would come after school back home and, you know, be home and prepare my homework and help my mom with the, you know, house and all this. So my father was very, very strict. So I couldn't say no. Also, like, they are coming from Muslim background. I'm actually not. I baptized eventually.

36:52But anyway, it's another story. So we are coming from Muslim background where a woman doesn't have really the right to say no. So as a woman, you cannot really speak out about your ideas or desires or opinion. So you grew up Muslim? Yes. Okay. So, Kazakh and Tatarstan, they are Muslim. So they believe in Allah and my grandmother would read Koran. They didn't really speak that language just because in Soviet Union, you had to like, sort of like speak Russian, everybody, like in every school, it would be like Russian. So I kind of like lost my own language and my parents didn't speak with me this language.

37:37And also, in Soviet Union, you were not really allowed to have your own religion. So people who were Christians, Orthodox, they were not really allowed to wear crosses. They were not allowed to go to churches. I mean, that was crazy. like imagine one of the biggest amazing church, the biggest one in Moscow, in the center is beautiful. So, Cominists, they actually destroy it and they created a swimming pool instead of the church. Can you believe that? No. It's like that's the way it was. So, they completely tried to demolish and destroy the belief into God in Russian population. So they were trying to...

38:23Why do they do that? Dictatorship of the Soviet Union is like Stalin dictatorship, Lenin's and all that, of course, because this is the only one religion you should believe. Stalin. This is your father, this is your czar, this is your God, everything. So, again, propaganda. What was the population doing when they were... The population you mean like in Soviet Union? I don't know. I mean, I was a little girl when I was raised in Soviet Union, but my grandmother, with whom I was very close, so she would say it was, I don't know, but she would say this was the best time just because they would know what would happen tomorrow.

39:06Everybody had the same. Yeah, okay, so that government people, they live like stars or whatever, like kings, but it's just like a small percentage where the 99 % of population, they work, they would work, they would, sorry, they would work, they would raise their kids, they would have the same salary, they would have the, you know, stability in life. So everybody, everything was the same. So it's, I don't know, stability, I guess. Gotcha. So you're a Christian now? so i baptized when i was so straight after the military i decided to come to the gut because i lost belief in everything that moment and you know you need to have your inner support so i came to the gut um at quite like you know big age because i understood i mean like adult So, because I understood that I want to have this belief in God and I want to, like, you know, I don't even know how to say it, but I just, like, felt like I need it, you know?

40:19Like, I felt like this may help me and save me from, like, doing bad things because I tried to suicide. I tried to drug myself. I mean, I was doing, like, really bad things to my body, to myself. it's really uh embarrassing to speak about it but i i just i just love belief okay we'll get there so at 18 am i correct at 18 yes is when it all kind of started for you well yeah i mean i mean actually it started from you earlier because you didn't realize it but your dad was grooming yeah so i realized it after so what what happened i mean how did you get recruited into being a seductive intelligence operative yeah it's a it's a whole difference so basically okay so um let me start from the beginning so i turn 18 right i told my dad i want to work in fashion so i remember his answer he said like what is fashion you have one skirt one shoes one blouse this is your fashion, this is enough.

41:28You're going to, you know, this department because I have my friend there who is, you know, who I already spoke with him. He can, you know, enroll you at being an agent. That time it was in the department operative investigation. So I have actually all the certificate archives documents to show what year I started to work there. So he brought me to this department. I met my future commander and I worked there as an intern. And then when they approve you and everything, they send you to the academy to study. So because everybody, when they just enter, they have to know like at least how to shoot from the gun, right?

42:19So you need to go through the education. So they're like special courses. When you come, you are supposed to study, like, you know, like gun shooting, like civil law, like admin law, like that time for. So everybody would be divided, like different departments would have different subjects. For example, in my department, we would need to study, of course, like martial arts. So how to arrest a criminal, how to read the psychological profile of the criminal, you know, his tattoos, for example, like his ink on the body. What does it mean? What's his, you know, weakness? Like, what about him? Like, his psychological portrait.

43:03So you need to kind of like get into there. Then, of course, martial arts, like, you know, jiu-jitsu and and all that. So for example, you would be in the situation where you have to arrest someone. So you need to protect yourself. Every day we would shoot from the pistolet Makarov, the Makarov gun. And we would also do, how to call it? I'm so sorry, you may cut it, but I forgot. So it's a subject where you learn how to open the lock. Oh, okay. Breaching. Huh? Breaching. Maybe, yeah. So I don't really know how to call it in English. Well, but yeah, this sort of like subject where you actually can, you learn about technologies for agents.

43:51Okay. So when I came to the academy, we were about like over 300 students. 300 students? Yes. How old? Is everybody young? Is everybody... Everybody is young, yes. Everybody young. 18, 19. From 18 and like, you know, 20, 25. I think like before like 30-ish. Men and women? Men and women. Of course, the percentage of women would be obviously much less. So I would say like 10 % would be female, the rest male. And they would have a separate dorm. Like male would be like living in a separate dorm. But what happened? So literally in the first day when we had the first like line, when we lined up in front of our teachers, I noticed that the main teacher, like the commander of the, like the main teacher of the school, the director, let's say, he looked at me and he picked up like me and another.

45:04few girls. And then we were invited to his office. And then we were announced that we are chosen for a special program. And so we are very privileged. They would never call it sex espionage. They would never call it honey trap. I understood it only after. But they said that's a special program which will help you to target those you know criminals or people whom you know who will be your task so you need to study the subjects you need to learn psychology and then after you will be given tasks this will give you more benefits because you would have better salary you would have better like promotion um you may have like additional vacations and which is was like wow that time you would given um you know that russians before also they had and especially in soviet union they had like really big problem to travel abroad because of the iron curtain so you couldn't literally get any visa so now it's actually happening the same story so that time also like it was really hard to travel abroad so you couldn't just go to the embassy and get a visa and travel to America.

46:20Like, no. I mean, maybe if you would have a special diplomatic passport or connections or whatever. So when you actually go as this agent, you may be able to fly abroad for special missions. And it's sort of like cool because it sounds like in the movie, James Bond, wow, I will go abroad. I'll have like this special missions and I'll see the world, blah, blah, blah. But, you know, for like 18 years old, it sounds like fascinating, sort of. So when they announced me that I am chosen for this program, I was like, okay, cool. You know, I'm happy to study that. And we were like five girls in this special program.

47:02So we would go to our main classes. So 6 a.m. would be the first lineup, like, you know, the morning. then jogging physical activities blah blah blah breakfast 8 a.m you have to be in the class so from 8 to 4 5 p.m depends from like you know if you would have like physical activities more or whatever whatever you would be done then us five girls you know we would go to this special classes for another two hours and then we would catch up with our homework for the next day and then that's it. We would go. So then again, also like either it would be a physical activity or whatever, like jogging or something, then dinner, and then you go and sleep to the dorm.

47:55So that was our kind of like schedule for the day. So every day for a few hours, we would study these subjects such as psychological techniques. So for example, manipulation techniques, seduction techniques, influence, persuasion techniques, how to read and scan people, how to spot the lie, you know, how to set up a strategy for your target, like this social engineering thing, like how to do it, how to work in the team, how to estimate your target's weaknesses and desires and needs, how to recruit someone, how to make friends, how to attract people, how to make someone to be your informer, again, through manipulation, how to threaten people, your targets particularly, so they would want or they have to give you information you need.

48:49And, of course, additional martial arts, of course, additional sex techniques. So we would study some of the sex techniques in terms of like the pleasure for men, I would say, like not particularly your pleasure, but, you know, how to please the man. But also, which I find really fascinating, and that's what I give to my students a lot. And I think this is a foundation and I think this really changed me to who I am right now. So when I entered, I was like really ugly duckling. I was shy and completely unconfident. So we actually, I didn't understand that before, but now I really get it. So we've started the self-confidence techniques to raise your self-love.

49:43So you become so freaking confident to go to any mission that you don't even have any doubt that you may fail. So even now, wherever I go, like public speaking in the Vatican City, like public speaking in United Nations, I was, you know, I told you the story, we were driving here and I had this thought and then I'm like, oh, come on. You know, like, I always, you know, I know that I can do it. It's just, it's amazing how they taught us how to program your brain for a success, even though it's so hard and you want to give up. And it helped me so much when I went to the war and I went to the really bad, dangerous missions.

50:31And I was thinking, that's it. This is, right now, this is the end. But just because of these techniques, I always had this thought like, no, I know that I can go through that. I know I can do it. I know I'll do it. Like, this is the belief which I didn't have before. And it was like placed and planted into my brain. And I believe that this is the foundation of everything. How long is this school? Okay, so six months. this is the first initial, most important foundational classes. Then you go back to your department, wherever you were, like, you know, you're supposed to work. Then you work, like, you kind of, like, do the practice.

51:18Then going to, when you go to, when you're getting another rank, for example, high rank, you're supposed to come back and you would be given more subjects, small techniques like you kind of like have to be qualified for bigger job for bigger for high rank you go back again six months sometimes you can do it a year um other universities like for example um in moscow one and inst petersburg actually yeah where vladimir putin studied so So there are particular academies where you actually go and you study there as a college for like three, four years. But because I was already enrolled to the International Law University, so I was doing sort of like two universities, like two educational at the same time.

52:14So studying International Law at my university and also was doing this. And also after I was working. So, yeah. Wow. So quite a lot of work. I mean, a lot of education as well. What point did you realize that sex may be involved? Sex? Yeah. When I was first, firstly raped, I was virgin. I came to the apartment, I was raped. So this didn't, the going through the course and talking about seduction and pleasuring a man and all this kind of stuff, you didn't realize that it didn't, it didn't occur to you that sex would be involved in, in the job description? Okay, so about sex. So as I mentioned, my dad was really strict.

53:00So I was not allowed to go out when I was living with my family till 18 years old. I didn't even kiss any boy. I didn't even speak with any boy. I was so shy. I thought I'm so ugly and all that. So I was, I don't know, it was like ugly duckling. So 18 years old, my dad brought me to this department. Literally in a few weeks, like two weeks, my commander colleague calls, that time we didn't have cell phones, so he calls to my home phone. My dad obviously picks up, as he always did, and it was about like 8 p.m., so it was evening, and my colleague said, oh, we have alarm, somebody's something happened in the city, so she has to come ASAP to our department because we need her to work.

53:54And that time, I was enrolled as an intern. Okay. So I had to come. So my dad said, like, get ready, go. So I come to my department, and I see my colleague being already drunk, you know, something shady going on. He closed the door, he takes the case, And he literally starts to bit me and rape me. And... So this is two weeks after 18? After I was enrolled, yes, to this department. Holy shit. Yet he knew, and he saw my father, who was that time high-ranking officer, bringing me to the commander, where commander approves me as a future agent. He saw that, right? So he didn't care about this. He said, if you will tell your dad, you know, like your whole family will be fucked.

54:45The whole reputation will be fucked. Like you'd rather not to tell that. Like, because like they will blame you because this is your fault. You see like the manipulation? You seduce me. This is your fault. I didn't do shit. Like, like this is your fault. Number two, I was virgin. I told him like, I have never done it before. Like I can't look. It doesn't matter. Three, you are going to the military academy anyway. You're supposed to disattach your body from your emotions. This is part of the training. That's what they do. Your body belongs to the state. Your body belongs to the government. You, with your, like, you know, feelings and emotions, like, just, it doesn't exist.

55:27The soul doesn't exist. Wow. Okay? So all these things, and then they literally make you to become sort of like robotic, where even now, unfortunately, but I cannot do anything about it, still now my body lives completely separate from my emotions. So for example, if I have an intercourse, it doesn't mean that I have any feelings towards this man. So I still can have an orgasm and all that, and it's all good, but I don't have any attachment. And I cannot create it because I was trained to remove these feelings and emotions from my body. So my body was just a tool and a mission. Wow. It does make sense.

56:24And you never told your dad? I never told my dad because... I mean, what would I tell him? He brought me there and then what? He would blame all his life that he did it to him? I mean, like he did it to me? I don't want him to blame himself, you know? I never told him. I think he kind of like understands that there's something there. And you worked in Navy. And you know the statistics. that about 20%, and this is what we know, 20 % annually, 20 % of female and also male are targeted for sexual abuse and 20 % are raped in the military. And this is the statistic, like, you know, just open chat GPTO or internet and like, it's clearly there.

57:20And it's only in the US, imagine how, what's the percentage in Russia, like, you know, this country, countries like Russia or, you know, Belorussia or like Ukraine or wherever, like countries which don't really, where the law doesn't really work that much like in America, like probably it's like, you know, 50%. And when I came to the academy, when I saw that every single female are being sexually abused and basically raped all of them all of them like they basically used them as as a meat like so all teachers they were male of course only two were females who actually taught us all the psychological and sex and seduction techniques so the rest were males and the thing is in the podcast to die for actually there is a caa uh former caa agent um he gave an interview he actually said that you know they they just sex trafficked their own agents for their own needs not just for the government needs but also for their own needs like for example this teacher's male, right?

58:36They knew that they have the power over us. So they could easily just use you for their own needs. For whatever they want. For wherever. And obviously, like, you know, I was stuck there. I didn't know what to do. I was 18 years old. I was just raped. Then I come to this academy targeted by this uh cornell the main teacher and i mean we had like the whole story and all that so he literally like had me every any every other day and i couldn't do anything about you know like because like he was also manipulating me he's like oh if you won't do what i say then um you would be kicked out you would like have a very big problems you have problem with your dad, you know, you cannot, like, you would never be able to work anywhere in Russia because I will write the bad report that you, like, you know, did whatever, like, illegal things or something or something.

59:39So, I mean, that was cruel. And as a woman, as a female in the military, you couldn't say no. So you're being raped throughout the entire duration of the school. And so are all the other women? Yes. Are you guys talking about this? We talked about that when we were there. And really sadly to say, but some of them, they had to participate in orgies. Like, I definitely didn't want to do it. I was like, first of all, first of all, these male teachers, they were over 50 years old. I'm not like saying that like 50 is like whatever, but okay. When 50 years old man doesn't take care about himself, doesn't do gym and like workout and doesn't really, and he looks gross and he's like so abusive and telling you and aggressively telling you like, you have to do this.

1:00:36You know, when I came to the, um, to the office first time to my, this, uh, main teacher, the coronal, the first thing he said, do the blowjob. I'm like, I'm thinking, I've never done it before. I have no idea how to do it. And this was when he told me this was part of the program. So you have to, this is practice. Like you have to learn now, you know how to do it. Like, so I'll teach you. Was it like part of, was it like really part of the program or was it his own, you know, just needs for his own pleasure, who knows? I think it was like second rather than first because I don't want to believe that, but maybe boss, I don't know.

1:01:25Wow. Well, I do, I mean, like, you probably have seen or heard similar stories in military in the United States. I watched that documentary, The Invisible War, and there's so many cases like that. So it's happening everywhere. It's not just in the military, but it's in any corporation, in any industry where they're like more male rather than females. It's really hard to, you know, work. And if you're also like more or less like younger than them and pretty and all that. So sometimes your appearance and your beauty is a curse rather than a blessing. Yes. Because like, look, they particularly chose those, the most pretty, the most younger girls.

1:02:20And they were like special parameters for this special program, like Sexplanage, we call it right now. But the first thing, everybody has to be about like five, six feet tall. second they would run us through the intellectual like sort of like iq test then um psychology so we spoke with the psychologist so we had to be mentally strong and prepared what if something happens like are we strong enough to be in a unpredictable difficult like extreme situations we were checked by gynecologist in order like to you are really healthy. And then if you tick all the boxes, then you go to this program. What did they tell you their program was?

1:03:10They didn't say anything. They didn't say, oh, it's a honey trap or whatever. They said, it's a special program. You will be learning special techniques, which you're not allowed to share with anyone. Everything in this wall is staying here. That's it. So just a few of you, because you're chosen. They don't call you swallows or sparrows or spies. They don't call that. But they say, this is a special subject for you to learn, so it will be helpful for your future missions. That's it. Wow. Interesting. I do believe that, to be honest, I do believe that every single military academy or any educational center, I do believe that they have that sort of programs.

1:04:06You know, like they just, they scout these future agents for this sort of mission. So they scout them through students, through students in the good universities, or maybe somebody who already established, like, you know, there's so many examples of the sex Spanish from, like, you know, actresses and famous singers and famous beautiful women. Do you have some examples? I do have some examples which I definitely know. I cannot reveal their names because they're very public and you definitely know them. But they work with the Russian government, and at the same time, they are very recognizable women in the public eye.

1:04:59How do you know this? Because I have seen them there. I know. I know, but, like, I would never, you know, I would never let down they cover. I would never do that. because like you know it's some people ask me like oh why don't you say no but like guys i just want to explain um how does it work it's not like you willingly want to do it sometimes you are put into these situations where you know this let's say people government people would tell you if you will not do this task if you will not do this mission then either your family will have some problems or your kids or your beloved ones. They may be having a car accident or they may go to jail.

1:05:53So you feel like I'd rather sacrifice myself than put on risk my family. So these people, which I just mentioned without names, I know they're doing this not willingly. They have to do it because of their family living in Russia. Where is your citizenship? Great. So, that's also like I have to be also very careful with what I'm saying. And it's a big risk for me also to... Well, it's a few things. I will explain now. So, my citizenship is still Russian. Thank God and thank to America. And God bless America. I received my green card.

1:06:46For about 15 years, I lived in Europe. After last Russian mission, I lived in Europe. I lived in Switzerland, Greece, Italy, France, England, in London, six years. So check this out. All those places. Yes. So check this out. The moment the government, the UK government probably find out about my background, the moment when I was invited to the Buckingham Palace where I met King Charles and Queen Elizabeth, that time he was Prince, literally in a few months, my lawyer received a letter stating that I have to leave the UK. like during two weeks period of time so i was literally deported from the uk still having my residency there so i couldn't go back to russia because of so many reasons the only one visa i had that time was united states so i come to united states i speak with many, many good lawyers, with a lot of lawyers, and they all advise me the same thing.

1:08:10They tell me that I should, because of the United States, I should reveal my identity publicly, because also at that time, the Ukrainian war starts straight after COVID, right? So it was COVID, then this crazy time, everything is closed and blocked, and it's a mess, than ukraine war so i'm in this situation and my lawyer said well you have to reveal your identity just you know not to be deported like it was in 2010 i believe uh when 10 active agents from russia were deported including anna chapman so um if you don't want to be deported if you want to be like you know legal in america it's better for you for your insurance for your protection uh to reveal your identity publicly this is number one number two i also had to cut tails coming from russia because i mean i know it sounds like crazy maybe but But actually, one Russian girl was sent to me from Moscow when Ukrainian war started and everything to convince me to go back to Russia.

1:09:35Or if I don't want to go, trying to convince me to work with them again. Then I have received a former colleague call just before the Ukrainian war started asking the same thing. like not like asking but like kind of like you should consider you know working with the government with the russian government and then it was another call uh from more like government sort of person with the same request so i honestly will tell you this i want to leave without fear because i'm exhausted to leave for so many years hiding myself hiding my son moving from one country to another i am exhausted like physically mentally like morally everything like i'm so done i don't want to play all these games anymore i want to do fashion things like i always wanted and i always dream and finally i'm doing this for myself for my son as well So I don't want to be attached.

1:10:45I don't want to be connected. I don't want to do anything with this, you know, government stuff anymore. And I decided to go public to kind of like reveal my identity. Yet Alia Rosa is not my real ID name, obviously, because of, again, the security reasons. But at least these calls and these requests from Russian government, from Russian government people have stopped since I started to go public. At least I have received my freedom to live in United States sort of like freely without like, you know, being like, then here. i i'm so done with that i like and i don't want to do this and um i don't want to be used anymore i don't want to be manipulated anymore even though like i do have fears for my members of the family who who are there and um of course i have fears for my son's future yes i understand it's a big risk but they say like you choose less evil when it's like too evil so i'd rather you know reveal my identity and tell the truth here in America to American people rather than work for the Russian government and being again like this.

1:12:11And God knows what would happen with me after. And my son, like, especially like during the Ukrainian war and it's still on and it's super crazy and it's just such a mess. Where is your son? My son is always with me, like everywhere. He's a traveler like me. he's always, he's in, he's at home. Okay. I mean, he goes to the school, but he's at home. How did they contact you to try to get you to come back? All the apps, like WhatsApp.

1:12:48They didn't have my American telephone, but I have a very old WhatsApp because I didn't change it. I kept the number, so WhatsApp. Emails had changed. What did they say? Well, the main request is, leave here, but report us everything you see and everything you know. Go to Washington, leave in Washington, or at least New York, and try to establish this relationship with politicians, ministers, and so on. That's why I honestly stay away from Washington as further as I can. That's why I kind of like chose to be in LA because Los Angeles is entertainment, Hollywood, you know, it's all like movies, scripted, fashion especially, it's all blah, blah, blah, social media, influencing and all that.

1:13:43So I'm trying to stay away as far as I can from politics. Yeah. Good thinking. I mean, what can I do? I try to do my best in this, like I balance.

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1:15:57all right aliyah we're back from the break and uh so we're getting ready to get into what happens once you get in the unit. So we kind of went through your training, your schooling, and all that kind of stuff. So what is it like when you actually check into the unit as a trained operative? Well. What is the unit called? So the unit, so I was in two units. Okay. In Russia. So one unit precisely would be called Operative Investigation Department. I don't know what's the similarity in the US. Mm-hmm. The second one, it's sort of like DEA. Okay. So it's a Drug Enforcement Department. Okay. Okay, yeah.

1:16:46So it's the first one, I don't know what's the... Probably like the FBI. Sounds like an investigative unit. It is investigation, but it was locally in the city or sometimes in the country, but also internationally. For example, when we were working on the cases on the two countries between Afghanistan and Russia. So for example, this was international. Or by that time when I was already working, it was Russia separated from all these post-Soviet countries. So again, it was international. But there are so many left-like connections with that country and And so much crime was going on between these countries.

1:17:32And then, again, don't forget, it was perestroika revolution. Then after, it was the time when all this criminal world just blossomed at some point because there were no very strong political... Repercussions. Right. So there were so many criminals, let's say, that time who were privatizing the Russian assets for a very small amount of money, like, let's say, 50 bucks for a factory or 50 bucks for a huge piece of land. And eventually, after some time, when Vladimir Putin became the president, those criminals would legalize the businesses and would become oligarchs, right? So some oligarchs would be quite friendly working with Vladimir Putin.

1:18:31I will not get into these details because you can read the book, which was written by so many former agents, including Litvinenko. And some of them would disappear forever, killed or just flee the country and hide themselves. Wow. So how...

1:19:01Sorry, I'm just trying to wrap my head around this. So you went through the training at the schoolhouse. Now, was the training at the schoolhouse specifically for the operative investigations unit or was it for the DEA one? Or is this kind of a they mold you and then whatever agency needs you picks you up? Yes, that's correct. Yes. So it was basically, they teach you all this technique. Okay. So you, you have, um, ordinary basic instructions and subjects you study, like gun shooting, martial arts, and, you know, laws. With these knowledges, you enter your department and then you just have your mission and practice it.

1:19:52However, us, we received additional education for additional missions which were classified. So they were not really open for any agents. Like some agents would be picked up for a particular mission. Gotcha. Yes. Gotcha. So this is a pipeline into the federal government. So here in the U.S., for example, if you're going to go to the NSA, you're going to be trained by the NSA. If you're going to go CIA, you're going to be trained and go to the CIA schools. If you're going to go to the FBI, you're going to be trained by the FBI and go to the FBI schools. So in Russia, it's an intelligence school, and then whatever agency needs you will pick you up.

1:20:38It is same as in United States, right? However, these particular programs, which, you know, I don't know how many in Russia are they, but like that's what I studied. That's what particular for your department or perhaps another department would do a particular mission and then they would require some female agents for these missions. So, for example, us as the, let's say, DA agents, we would work together with some other agents from another department because they would provide us some security, let's say, you know, in transportation. Or like there would be like SWOT agents, but it doesn't call SWOT, but I'm saying like those with whom we would work in actually in going to arrest those targets.

1:21:31So it's kind of like mixed sort of, but we would still, so if like my commander would allocate me for another mission, I would need to go there to another department. That's actually how I moved from one department to another department because they actually required me to come there. Okay. So you're actually, you are attached. Okay. Yeah. You're on a special unit that's just farmed out to whoever is dating you at the time. So, you know, like Putin that time in 2002, exactly the year I was working there, established FSKIN. So FSKIN, it was, you can also Google it and check it online. So FSKIN, it was a special department, sort of DA, but fighting against drug trafficking coming particular from Afghanistan.

1:22:25because that time it was like a huge transportation. But then a few years later, Putin dissolved it. I don't know why, but just like basically restructured. And then this FSK was under the FSB, which is the - You mean in Russia when a government agency does its job and doesn't need to do anything else, they just dissolve it and it goes away and then the funding gets reallocated to - It was existing for 10 years approximately. I don't know why dissolve it. You see, I don't know these kind of things, but there were so many restructures since 1991. It was KGB, right? And KGB, etc. Then it was renamed to VNR, which is external investigation, right?

1:23:17And then FSB, which is local. So then under FSB, there would be different other departments which were particularly doing some other missions or like some other jobs or like some other cases. But if there is a big case or mission going on, they would allocate particular agents for this mission. It doesn't matter from what department you are. Especially with females. There are not so many female agents working in the departments, maybe like 10%. But as a bait, you need a female. They would invite you. Oh, God. Yeah.

1:24:02So, I'm getting a little ahead of myself here.

1:24:12So your job is not to necessarily sleep with criminals and arrest them. It is a tool that they have taught you how to use. I think I was a bait, basically. So let me just kind of like picture one of my missions, for example. So I come in the morning to the lineup meeting for the first meeting with our commander in the department. This is your first mission? No, not first mission. Let's say one of the missions. So we come to the department in the morning for the lineup meeting, right? They give you a mission and they allocate particular agents for this mission. So you, you, you, you have this mission.

1:25:00Then you go with the head of this little team, of your team, you go and you brainstorm the strategy. How you're supposed to infiltrate certain group of criminals or whoever, like how to spy on them, how to get informers, how to send someone there, or how to recruit them. mostly of them of course were men obviously using me as the bait to get closer would be the perfect ideal scenario we would go together let's say with one or two my team member spy on the mission so we would literally sit down in the car or we would like be like somewhere outside not too close so he wouldn't notice us. But we would, like, in the beginning, just see what's his inner circle, right?

1:26:05Do pictures, basically, like, the whole thing, like, the whole spying. Then we would gather information about our target. And then we would install... What kind of information? Everything, like, how many sugar does he put into his coffee? Like, everything from A to B, like, Like, what time does he wake up? Where does he go? Whom does he meet? What do they do? What do they talk about? Of course, you put all the bugs and everything as much as you can. You try to listen to what they're talking about. Like, basically everything. How long would you do this for? Depends from the target. So the last target, for example, we were establishing the social engineering for about three months before I actually was introduced to him.

1:26:50Before you made an approach. Before, yes, the first approach, it was like three months of intense work, yes. But we had to create the whole setup for him. So, for example, I mean, it sounds like a movie plot, but it's kind of called what secret intelligence can do, actually, or like anyone can do. Do you remember the movie? Have you seen the movie The Game with Michael Douglas? No. It's an old movie. Another movie also, which is closest, so it's easy to explain, Focus with Margaret Robbie and Will Smith. What's it called? Focus. I don't think I've seen that. Okay. So, I mean, if your guys, like your audience know this movie, they will like understand, or they can go and watch this movie.

1:27:43So basically, how does it work? so my target let's say let's go to vladimir vladimir target so what we needed to you know find out about him first of all what are his weaknesses what his needs what his desires apart from like being the leader of the criminal group having power money and blah blah blah what is his personality about what what is he seeking for what like what is his goal you know like with his psychological portrait. So we would go back to his childhood when he was a teenager. We find out that he was in love. He had a relationship with his sweetheart, a girl from Uzbekistan. How are you finding this information out?

1:28:34Easy. Social media? No, no, no. That time social media didn't really exist. it was 2004. So we hardly had smart, no, we didn't have smartphones. I remember I had Motorola, you know, like that little telephone. So how you basically, it's actually really easy. You just basically find out what school did he study. And then you just pretend that you're one of the relatives, like trying to find him or whatever. You just like get information from this old-ish ladies working there, let's say former teachers, and just like get information. It's quite easy. If you go and ask people about someone, I still do that when I need to find out information about someone.

1:29:24I just go and speak with people. What do you think about this person? Do you know him? How do you know him? Would it have bothered you if any of those people reached out to the target and said, hey, this girl Aaliyah, she's running around here. Well, first of all, you don't say your name. Second, it wouldn't be me. If I was the main bait, if I was the main face in this mission, it wouldn't be me. It actually was my colleague who was a young guy. Oh, I lost my army friend. I don't live here. I just want to find out where does he live, what's happening with him. We lost each other for so many years.

1:30:04Like, I, you know, I want to see him be like, we've been through like, you know, the whole like army time, blah, blah, blah. You know, and you bring like some chocolates or some cake to this old teacher from the school. Of course, she would tell you everything. Let's drink tea. Let's speak about like that time, blah, blah, blah. So you find out that this target, Vladimir, had a relationship with his sweetheart, that girl from Uzbekistan, apparently. But she didn't wait for him because, as you know, in Russia, it's compulsory. Every male have to go to the army for two years from 18 years old. So he went to the army, but she didn't wait for him.

1:30:49She got married. So when he came back, she already married to another guy. So he was sort of like heartbroken. So he sort of gave up on this dream to have a loving wife and potentially family with her. You know, and he kind of like became like this rough, sort of like aggressive guy who would just use women for sex and just be very, not like, you know, sort of like alpha male, but just having these women for a pleasure, nothing serious, no attachment, no emotional attachment, because he was hurt before. But somewhere deep inside, every human being wants to believe that there is a possibility in mutual love, that every human being wants to be loved, not because of something, but just literally to be loved by who he is.

1:31:53So what we did when we gathered on the information, very slowly, very subtly, wherever this target was, walking out from the gym, going into the restaurant or like walking in the street or wherever, we would place a few separate couples. one couple young nice looking guy sort of looking like Vladimir tall you know it's all russians more or less like you know tall blue eyes good looking like you know wearing military uniform same as let's say Vladimir would were many years ago when he was in the army together holding hand with the girl more or less looking like his sweetheart from the past. So they would be just like, you know, walking around, kissing each other, da-da-da.

1:32:48Even though Vladimir wouldn't look precisely at this couple, but peripheral vision, his backside vision would register that. So your brain registers everything what's going on around you, even though you don't notice, but your brain does. So this is very subtle installation and manipulation and basically when you plant something into someone's head then another day another story another place again another couple the guy another guy would wear the military uniform with another girl but same sort of looking like his sweetheart she would be pregnant so they would hold hands kissing each other blah blah blah like you know like love is in the air then again another day another setup another place there would be similar guy but another one wearing the uniform with another girl but looking like his first sweetheart they would carry um they would have like a courage with the little baby with the newborn baby and again same story like love is in the air they kiss each other holding hands and like you know, happy family.

1:34:01Again, Vladimir wouldn't look at them like, oh, like whatever, but he still, his brain would register that. And when the time was right, when my colleague, that time who was already undercover, so he pretended to be one of the drug dealers, so he would basically get the drugs from the Vladimir's criminal gang, distribute it, sort of distribute it, bring the money, right? And then he would get to know Vladimir, he would establish trust with him, and he would slowly introduce him to sort of like these easygoing girls in the club. Not prostitutes in particular, but kind of like, oh, you know, she's a student, she's lonely, She's like, you know, this and this and like, you know, you're such a powerful guy.

1:34:58Maybe like you can hang out with her, like this sort of thing, you know, like love girls. So he would introduce him to some girls, but less good looking, you know, because we would know more or less his style, like Vladimir's taste. And by that time, I already had a sort of like image of his sweetheart. Dream girl. Yes, like, what did she wear before? So she was wearing particularly, like, white socks and short skirts and, like, braids and all that. So when I would meet him, I would do exactly the same look, appearance. So when my colleague introduced me to Vladimir, it was already, like, in his brain would be like, what if she looks exactly like that, you know, girl, what if there is a possibility I may be loved by her really, and she would stay loyal to me?

1:36:02What if I may have a chance with her and have a family with her? What if? Instead of just like, hi, my name is so-so, let's go to the room. So, you know, everything has to be very subtle, like a little game. And you don't even understand that you are in the game, but you still... Yeah, it's a beautiful setup. It takes time, but anyone can be influenced. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Can we talk about your first mission? Yes. Do you remember it? Yes. What was it? So it was one of the kind of like foreign, but not so it's basically post-Soviet country government person who had some information. And so the first mission were actually, so I was sharing this in the podcast.

1:37:08So I had to place an envelope without him knowing who exactly placed it. He may would have some ideas or doubts or whatever, but he that time should know that it was particularly me placing the envelope. So I literally had to pretend that I was a prostitute in the bar in the hotel where he was staying that time. And I had to seduce him, get into the room. How did you seduce him? How? Mm-hmm. Should I recreate the whole scene? Mm-hmm. Oh, God. What was in the envelope? I could not open. Okay, so it was built, right? It was, how do you call it in English, like filled? Yeah, filled. Sealed. Sealed, yes.

1:38:05It was something like that. So the envelope was sealed. I couldn't open it. And yet, if I would open it and know it, I wouldn't be able to see it. You know, just for my own security for my life. So I had to give him the envelope. The only one way how I could place it was in the private place. So obviously it has to be in his room where nobody would distract him or wherever. So I couldn't be, I wouldn't be able to do it, let's say in the bar or wherever, you know, because like, again, many people, you know, many eyes and all this. So how did I seduce him? Very simple. Because he had, he had never seen you before.

1:38:50And so you're showing up undercover with the cover of a prostitute. Okay. How many women are in the bar? Not so many. You do, we all do understand, when man comes to the bar with friends or alone to have a drink, most likely he's open for a conversation with a beautiful female. Right? Otherwise, if you don't want to, you wouldn't come, right? If you're tired or wherever, you go sleep to your room. So you obviously want some adventures.

1:39:30Two, when the mission is like that, when you don't need to establish trust, when you don't need to establish love, long-term relationship, one night stand, it's very easy to organize from a woman perspective. Show me any man who would say no to one nightstand. Any. Nobody would say no. I mean, unless it's a very ugly person, but we're talking about spies, agents. So they're supposed to take care about themselves and look presentable.

1:40:12So, number three. He was there for a few days. I already knew, I was given information that he was recently married and recently had a newborn. Obviously, a man who just have a little baby at home. It's a big work. You know how it is. Those who have kids understand. So the wife is busy with the kid. you know the little kid is crying you know it's not the same like it was before so for him it was easier to just like have some sort of like adventures and relax time for himself because he's on the business meeting but at the same time why not to have like some romantic emotions just for one night who would know no one right so that's why it's an easy target what about the other women at the bar that time do you know that you're going to be the one that walks out of that bar so yeah so first of all there were not so many i think like well as much as i remember there were a couple women uh second i was the most beautiful i was the first of all i was that time i was already skilled second obviously that time i was the youngest one.

1:41:45And third, I was wearing the most revealing clothes I could possibly wear. So how did you approach him? Very easy. About the drink, it's like one of the common things you actually can approach any man. If you want to meet someone, you start from the drink. What are you drinking? What would you recommend to drink here? How often do you come here? Do you like this bar? there's so many questions you can ask so many and you can from one oh you're not here like oh it's your first time here oh like aren't you from here like where are you traveling from like where do you live la la and then you go on and like you start the whole conversation and then it's easy like yeah why don't you go like and then after a couple drinks it's easy to say yes to a pretty girl and like and then you always can find an excuse oh i really want to go to the toilet but like you know like i need to do it in private can i go to your room oh i need to change something Or like, oh, you can spill something on yourself and say like, oh my God, my dress is dirty.

1:42:44Can I please like go and wash my dress in your room? There's so many things you can get into the room of the man if you really need. So you get him in the room. Yes. When do you find the time? Okay, so when he was in the toilet, when he was in the shower. That's it. So the suitcase that time, I mean, now probably it would be much harder, but that time suitcases were not with the, you know, like special lockers or whatever. So it was quite easy to open it, place it. It was just like little clickers. Click, open, put the envelope, you know, through all these papers and then close it and that's it.

1:43:34Voila, you didn't do anything. Did you sleep with him? With him, actually, I didn't. You didn't? No. I didn't because it was my first mission. I was scared and I didn't want to... I just, I don't know. It's just like, I wasn't ready. I wasn't ready. And he was sort of gross to me. I didn't want to. He was overweight as well. So I sort of like manipulated him on his family. So he physically couldn't get hurt, sorry to say. He maybe wanted to, but he couldn't because I constantly was talking about his wife and his kid in particular, because his kid was a newborn girl baby baby girl and of course he loves her of course like it's his first experience and when you mix together um kids feeling together with the sexual desire and all that the sexual desire would be kind of like you know it won't work that much if you wouldn't talk about kids you know it's sort of like bringing kid into the sexual conversation so we had a really nice conversation though.

1:44:51He was a really nice guy. He even gave me some money, some cash. I made a profit. It's generally how it works with prostitution, so I'm told. But at least I didn't compromise my cover. So maybe when he find out this envelope, he wouldn't even think about me. I don't know. So we had a really nice conversation, though. And as much as I remember, he was a really nice and kind guy. And we were constantly talking about his family. And then in the end, he said, actually, we didn't have a lot of time, which was good. We only had about maybe 40 minutes or an hour, because he had to wake up for a meeting or whatever early.

1:45:42And he told me, I don't have a lot of time. So I was pushing into conversation. And then he said, thank you so much for this conversation. It was so important. You know, like, I wanted to speak out with someone, but I can't, right? Because I couldn't tell these things to my wife or, like, you know, to anyone. So it was so nice to speak with you. Because I was a random person, and he would share with me all his thoughts. See? Also vulnerability. What were you targeting him for? For giving this envelope. That was only my task. Dude, you don't know why? Was he a criminal? Was he a trafficker? No, no, he wasn't a criminal.

1:46:18It was, so I was in the academy at that time. It was my first task from my teacher. I don't know, so I don't know exactly why she sent me there. I would think she sent me there to make me fail because that time she had relationship with the coronal and it was a love triangle, sort of. It was never love for me. But the coronal, when he sexually raped me, and the first one who said, like, when I entered his office, he said to me, do a blowjob. He was the one who actually, over time, fell in love and protected me from me having sex with the rest of teachers. and actually with the rest of the whoever, like colleagues or whatever.

1:47:17So he was my shield that time where I used him to protect me. But then things went wrong when he approached me with the engagement ring. This is while you're in school or after school? This is already after. This is after school. So the relationship with him continues. So the relationship went on, yes. And, um,

1:47:47so basically I share all the story in 2DFOR, but like, I'm just trying to make it short for your audience to understand. So we don't need to make it short. Oh, really? I mean, okay. Okay. So, but I'll try to make it short. I mean, it's 17 episodes. Like I was talking for 20 hours. I don't think we have 20 hours here. okay so

1:48:13so when he took advantage from me first I decided that I'd rather use him as my shield because I didn't want to be used by other men in the academy because I've seen and I've heard so many stories of my classmates so I said like no way I'm doing that so I was like okay because he has the highest rank, because he has the highest respect, and he is the boss, sort of, I decided that I will play along, and I will learn all the seduction techniques, and use the seduction techniques on him, in order for him to sort of like fall in love, be more interested, but also protect me, because I knew that he...

1:48:58He wants you, you wanted him to want you all to himself, so that you didn't have to... Correct. So he wouldn't want to share me, my body, with anyone else. So I decided to play these cards. And it did work, because he also had other sexual relationship with other students, and also with this female teacher who sent me to this first mission. and um after some time he established this trust because he um he told me he loved me and he decided to get the worst and marry me where it was not my plan my plan was to have this cover of his name as much as i could in order not to be used by anyone else or not to be sent to a really bad mission because what happened when I said no to his marriage, I literally didn't say no, but he understood that I wasn't really happy about that because like, first of all, obviously I didn't love him.

1:50:09Second, he was my, um, the first like, you know, abuser and manipulator. And three, he was like 30 years older, married guy that time. So like, what the heck? Right? Yeah. Okay. I had to play along because I didn't have any other choice. But going like this into serious relationship, imagine if I would be stuck with him for all these years. I mean, it would be terrible. So he understood I, my answer was negative. I didn't really say like no. What he does, what he did, he sends me to another department to his sort of friend. Just like to say before, he actually tried to pass me to his friend in order to have a revenge so that man the the my future commander actually was the one who was very corrupted and knowing all this situation with vladimir he still did it he sent me over there knowing that eventually he would give up my name because he actually was already working with vladimir's colleague and army friend, who was the one who was bringing...

1:51:36He had all connections because of the Afghanistan war and all that. He was fighting there before. So he had all the connections. He was the one who would bring all the heroin to Russia through the Vladimir's gang and then distribute it to Russia and Europe. So that commander actually wanted to rid of Vladimir because Vladimir eventually wanted to be, he wanted to legalize himself. He wanted to become a businessman. He wanted to get rid of the drug business because he had money enough. He had power enough. So he wanted to do more like legalized business and become sort of like oligarch. Whereas my, that commander, he still wanted some black cash, some corruption, like, bribery money.

1:52:25Not through Vladimir, because he doesn't want it. So he decided to remove, or get rid of, or terminate, or whatever, Vladimir, in order to place this guy, his protégé, who was bringing drugs from Afghanistan, to his position and make him a new drug lord, the leader of the criminal gang. So in any way, it was a setup for me. If you look through my eyes, onto my story, my commander didn't really care about that. I would be killed, I wouldn't be killed, I would survive, or something may happen with me. It doesn't matter. Because it still was a setup, and it was a successful setup. Because eventually, when Vladimir found out that I was a mole and all that, yes, he saved me, yes, he sacrificed his life.

1:53:15But eventually, the commander won. He placed this guy into Vladimir's position, and they were continuing going on. Eventually, after certain years, I find out in the news that this commander got caught, and he went to jail. So eventually, the justice, thank God... Caught up with him. Yes, eventually. But it took years. How long was Vladimir a target of yours? About eight months. Eight months? Of the relationship, yeah. Is this who you fell in love with? You see, press. They all say I fell in love with. You didn't fall in love with him. Honestly, like, Sean, like, I even doubt I can actually, I have ever been in love.

1:54:08But to be honest, I don't know if I can actually experience this feeling to a man. Unfortunately, I don't think I can. Because I'm looking at myself over these years, I'm like, this one was target, this one was target. I had to do this, I had to do this. Have I ever chosen any man just for myself?

1:54:35There's always an ulterior motive. Well, now when I'm out of, I mean, like I'm in America right now. Yes. So I'm out of all these missions and whatever. I'm by myself all these years. I don't know what is it. Maybe it's my problem with trust. Maybe I have a trust issues, maybe because I find, sorry, I find men when I meet them quite boring. I mean, like, they're really nice men and there's so many amazing men and I just don't know. It's just, it doesn't work for me or maybe I haven't met the right man who would be, who would understand my vision and the way I think and what I understand, because more or less, especially in America, and that's why I do understand why all this kind and quite naive tech CEO and executive in Silicon Valley are so easily targeted by female spies because they are just very sweet and very nice and they are really naive.

1:55:55And that's true. But when you're naive at the same time, you kind of like, for me, it's not a challenge. It's not, I want like brain stimulation, you know, apart from just like physical activities, you want to speak with a person about something, right? And when I don't have to speak about or like share my vision or like my thoughts, like I don't find it interesting. And then, you know, like the poet said, Amar Hayam said, it's better to be by yourself rather than with anyone else. So I decided for now to just focus on my work and do my best and then we'll see. My days don't slow down. Between work, the gym, and time with the kids, I need eyewear that can keep up with everything I've got going on.

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1:58:09Do you enjoy sex now? Yeah, of course I do. You do. So then you do enjoy being with a man. Every single time I have sex, I have intercourse, I receive my orgasm. You do? Always. Every single time. I will explain why. This is also part of the program, of the training. So, as you know, I studied in Kinsey Institute, that's where I find out that 80 % of females in the world actually do not experience orgasm with their partners during intercourse, which means that they don't know their body. and I have a lot of female students, they all come and they say the same, like I'm not happy in my marriage, like whatever, I don't experience orgasm, I have to pretend.

1:59:07So that's what's happening. When female pretending that she has an orgasm, obviously man, if he's not that stupid or dumb, he can feel it and he can see that. He may not say or whatever, but over time that would be a problem between the couple, right? So, what we've been taught. I hope some female audience understand me, but female orgasm is a female responsibility. No man know your body or what you really like. You have to know your body yourself. You have to know what do you like, Like what's your erogenous zones? What gives you pleasure? Where are your erogenous sensual spots and everything?

1:59:57And then when you study your body, you know what do you like? You show it to your partner and you tell him, I like this, I like that. Let's try this, let's try that. So together, you have this amazing journey to experience female pleasure and hence for male pleasure because it's the highest pleasure for a man to give an organ to a woman. Am I right? So in our program, obviously, when we came, I was virgin. I didn't have any understanding of what is sex. So we've studied. Actually, I give you one crazy technique, but please don't judge me. So we've studied this.

2:00:42one of the effective technique for self-confidence esteem to believe in yourself and look at yourself as you are the most beautiful for yourself of course like you're the most beautiful you're the goddess you believe in yourself you are the best and accept your body because you know we're all human beings. We don't like this, we don't like that, or like here we have over it, here we have cellulite or whatever. This is normal. But we need to program our brain only on positive, beautiful features of our bodies and face. So what do we do as females? Maybe it can work for men too, I don't know. So you need to stand in front of the big mirror so you can see yourself fully.

2:01:27Ideally, you would need to, you know, make yourself comfortable. So maybe play some nice music, put like scented candle, maybe you should dance or whatever, maybe have a bath, you know, like just please yourself in terms of like make yourself comfortable. So nobody also should disturb you and distract you. Then, depends, you can use sex toys, you can use your fingers, whatever is comfortable, you start to please yourself. And the moment you bring yourself to this peak of the orgasm, you need to anchor your brain. So basically program your brain. What do you do? You look into your mirror, and that's very important.

2:02:16Like you're naked or you're not naked, doesn't it? So you basically experience the highest peak of the orgasm, right? That moment. So that moment is the most effective. You should, first of all, anchor yourself on the word. Choose one word, maybe two, but something short. For example, I'm the queen, I'm the best. Or like you can say like, you are the best, whatever. You can say even mango, whatever, like choose your word and say it out loud. So your brain remembers that. Then if you wanted to make it more effective um that's your like find a spot on your body and touch it so it could be anything for example could be like a little finger on your right hand it could be like you know shoulder neck like this or maybe like here whatever whatever you choose find a physical anchor on your body so this is another anchor

2:03:18Plus, if you want a particular man and you want to seduce him, and you know exactly that this is your target. it uh ideally you should place his photo on that mirror on the wall wherever like so you can see him and when you experience an orgasm you look at this image and better to say his word i mean his name this word so you kind of like create this bridge between this image and your brain so what will happen when you will see next time this target, your brain will automatically release endorphin, hormones, and pheromones. Pheromones is the, you know, the scent which everybody can create. Plus, of course, you can use a special perfume, which actually like KGB used to have this special indigrant in the perfume, which contains some grass and all that, which actually attracts attention.

2:04:31So your brain instantly creates this impulses in your body. So your cheeks are blushing, your eyes are sparting. So you're kind of like getting into the mood of pre-orgasmic mood. So your target, this guy, obviously he sees that, he noticed that. I mean, isn't it amazing? You see like a woman who is like looking at you like with this, I want you on right now here, you know? So, but this is like for seducing a mission, i mean the target so but when you do it for yourself anchoring yourself and you do it a few times the moment you feel anxiety the moment you feel shy or the moment you feel like uncertain or like in doubts or you're stressed you touch yourself into this anchor where you placed on your body and you tell yourself the same anchor word, I'm the best.

2:05:34Again, same story. The brain will create this pheromone impulses, this endorphin hormones, the happiness hormones, this state of confidence and the state of bliss that you are the best. And you walk into the room with this, you know, random people or you walk wherever you go, like pitching for the new business or whatever or like for a date and you have already this posture you have already this presence you have this vibrations this aura and this energy try it it doesn't work to me ah so yes so about orgasms uh the sex yes so uh with this technique uh since i learned this technique every single time and every single my ex-sex partners I had intercourse with, I have experienced orgasms.

2:06:31So it's not really about the man, dear ladies. It's about your own body and awareness of your own body and knowing how to give yourself pleasure. It's not about even the size or like even techniques like the movement of the man, of your partner. No, it's all about your body. If you're comfortable with your body, if you know your body, you will adapt yourself towards these movements, like the angle of your body, the angle of your hips, or maybe positions. Everybody's body is different and unique. But all of us, we have our own sensible spots in the body. So we can adjust our body towards our partner's body.

2:07:27And it will be much easier rather than blame your partner and tell you are bad in sex. Interesting. So you're attracted to men and you can receive pleasure from men, but you have no emotional attachment to men. Mentally, I'm not attracted. Oh, my God. Yeah, I think so. No, don't get me wrong. I really want to fall in love. I want to experience that. Wait, you don't find men attractive? I don't. So I find them attractive physically. but when I start to speak with them I'm bored if it does make sense I'm sorry does it make sense? like I've seen so much and I've been through so much that sometimes when I hear them I'm like oh my god it's like speaking with my son like teenager sort of thing you know and I try like 60 years old and I try even 70 years old same story It's not about the age, believe me.

2:08:35It's about experience. It's really about experience. Funny enough, just recently I was at the conference and I met, I cannot say his name, obviously, because he has a quite high position, but he's the one who is investigating espionage. So obviously we have a lot of things to discuss. And funny enough, I caught myself on that. I am mentally stimulated by man, you know, finally. So I find him attractive because of his brain, where I probably wouldn't find him attractive with his physical appearance. But in my case, again, as a former agent trained in this field, it doesn't matter how the man looks like, like to me particularly, like I don't really care what's his physical appearance and what's the size of his whatever like seriously so it's all about like um now at this point i'm all about like mental stimulation does make sense makes perfect sense makes perfect sense so let's go back to vladimir so we kind of went through how you targeted him i believe and and so and then we talked about your first mission where you seduced a man, it's a one night stand and you're out.

2:10:01How are you, I have a lot of questions. Have you ever worked multiple targets at the same time?

2:10:15Have you ever had two missions or worked two different assets at the same time? No. It's always been one at a time? I mean, I don't even understand how, like, if you're a double agent, maybe. Well, a double agent would be, you know, a Russian working for the Russians and also for the U.S. And at the same time giving the information to, like, CIA, maybe. Yeah. So basically what I'm saying is if you have two operations going on at the same time, maybe you're targeting Vladimir, who is a drug dealer, and then and then you have i don't know benjamin over here and he's a sex trafficker are you ever working two different do you see what i'm saying are you ever are you ever simultaneously that would be a great plot for the movie we need to write a book about it so no no okay no so it's single single mission that would be really hard to do i mean like you would have to have a lot of like knowledgeable people around you like you the part you know your team members and um that would be really hard in the end with vladimir mission when my colleague was killed hold on we didn't i don't even know any of this sorry so with vladimir how long were you how long was he So for eight months?

2:11:43Yes. And how long? Relationship. Okay. Like proper, loving, dating relationship.

2:12:18Okay.

2:12:21So what is, what is, what is daily life like? Are you a hundred percent? I mean, is he, because there's no on and off time if you're a true operative. You're with them all the time. Right. Correct? Is that how it works over there? But I pretended that I studied in the university. So when I would sort of go to my lessons, I would meet with one of my team member and pass him the whole information. So the next day, whatever it is, they would send this sort of SWAT team and arrest, you know, criminals distributing, you know, heroin. So you're able to pass on intelligence damn near every single day?

2:13:05Not every single day. Like they were not selling like big quantity of heroin every single day, but like once a week, once in two weeks, there would be some activities going on. So I would hear the information from Vladimir because yes, I would sleep with him. I would eat with him. I would even cook for him and for his brothers. That's the way they call each other. Like, you know, criminals, colleagues, they would call each other brothers. So I would cook for brothers, basically. Like, listen, you know, who's saying what, getting into this event. Like, you know, they would go to clubs almost every day.

2:13:46So just hanging out with them, like picking up everything, like also establishing relationship with their girlfriends. They all had like, you know, females, like girlfriends or like somebody they spend time. So also like hanging out with them, finding out like, oh, where was Alex yesterday? Like, I didn't see him in the club. Oh, he was at this like, oh, I don't know. But like, I heard he was speaking on the phone about like, he went there and here, they were like doing something. And then like this happened. So these kinds of things, you know? Mm-hmm.

2:14:25So eight months. So how did he get killed? So this is heroin coming out of Afghanistan. Is there any human trafficking? Yes. But particularly Vladimir was not, I mean, his gang was involved into this business because, of course, you know that drug and human trafficking are very connected. but Vladimir in particular he was not so as I said he wanted to legalize himself so he was not the one who was giving the decisions about human trafficking yet when I told him when I sort of like confront him a little bit about that I'm like have you like seen this do you know this do you know how many like girls were kidnapped and all this he i don't know maybe he lied to me or whatever but as much as i could read him that time he didn't know so i suppose because it's a criminal gang of course there are a lot of members and every single team of the gang would bring money for upshak you know upshak it's like um money for, it's kind of like donations from each member or whatever.

2:15:51So for example, you do the criminal activity, you get money. So you give 10 % to each, let's say, member, and then you have money allocated for the sort of bank. So it's bank of the criminal gang. It calls Obstruck. So every single criminal whatever team, when they would do some activities, they would bring money to the bank. And sometimes they probably wouldn't tell where this money comes from, from selling drugs, guns, humans. But it's still the same. Because again, who is covering them? The whole activity? The government. Wow. Were you ever in a situation where you thought you were compromised?

2:16:42Yes, in the end. In the end, where I understood that I was just a bait, that my commander used me just to get rid of Vladimir in any way. It didn't really matter how he would rid of him, like this way another way it doesn't matter i mean it didn't matter to him but he was the one who actually gave up my name to criminal brothers to criminal group and vladimir that time he did know so he found out this from his criminal brother when they call like when he called me i didn't pick up the phone like i told you like it's um you know today it reminds me a little bit this ptsd so the criminal gang were giving this information that i'm the mole from my own commander from that commander who wanted to exchange vladimir to his protégé as always the driver this sort of security driver guy of vladimir would wait for me downstairs to pick me up for a dinner that was our normal routine so we'd go home change do my homework from the university and then coming downstairs for a dinner to have like dinner with vladman then go and sleep with him in his house as always i come downstairs but instead of only one driver they're like car full of guys who called me sister and they put the back into my head they you know beat me like in the car then we come to the forest before that when i told you like they took my bag with the you know my bag with motorola so i couldn't receive any call i mean like i couldn't pick up the phone when vladimir was calling and everything so the time they brought me to the forest this um commander protege was the one who orchestrated the whole thing showing to criminals look she is the mole vladimir suck because he fell in love into the mole he cannot be the leader because he's stupid because he was trapped by this bitch and i will show you how we should do revenge on these smalls on these rats They would call these agents who would be undercover rats.

2:19:30Here in English, they call it mole, but in Russia, they call it rats. So she's a rat, and I will show you in front of you guys how we should do a revenge. So first of all, he raped me in front of everybody on the land, on the soil. Good. And then that was not the worst. So when they were beating me up, so then I had to do some bone. How many of them? About 10 people because it was like two cars. I was in one car, there was another car. They bit the shit out of me that I had to restore my bone over here. I still have a scar, that's why I'm kind of like covering it and all that.

2:20:15Vladimir at that time was expecting me for a dinner, as always. They didn't tell him yet. So he was calling me and then I didn't pick up the phone. So he started to call to the driver. Then this guy who just raped me told him that, oh, she is a rat. She's a mole. So we are, you know, we're fucking killing her right now. Like literally we are in our spot, which is the forest. Who knows where? Then you, they, what they do, they basically dig in the hole, put in the hole and like like, finito, and then nobody will ever find you. So Vladimir gave him order to bring me to him because, and they didn't want to, but Vladimir said, like, I will finish her.

2:20:58Let me, as a leader, let me kill her because this is my responsibility. I need to do it. Eventually, they were like, okay, so he wants to finish her. All right, let's do it. So the time they brought me to Vladimir, to his house, I was all bleeding. I was all fucked up.

2:21:19And, um, sorry, so, so difficult to remember this thing. I'm so sorry. Are you okay? Yes, it's just, um, getting back there, it's really hard. Like every single, so I try not to...

2:21:41Sorry, I apologize. It's okay. So anyway, Vladimir listened to all my story. I think he...

2:21:57Maybe I want to kind of like romanticize him or whatever, but I think that time I I think that he understood where I'm coming from, that everything I was doing, I wasn't doing this willingly or because i wanted to because i had to so i told him the whole story with the coronel and how i entered the the military academy and everything and how i ended up there so he gave me some also information he knew about his uh friend the army friend and then it's sort of like we had like all these puzzles we put it together like all this you know little details we put it into one big picture where we both that time i didn't know but we both understood that my commander just wanted to get rid of vladimir in order to take to put this his protégé his like vladimir's friend to just like get more money so Vladimir created this plan which I followed so basically he that night so he didn't kill me obviously he knew I think that he would be killed but I think he and I told him like you're risking your life if you're staying here Why don't you go with me?

2:23:30Because he gave me telephone numbers with all the foreign friends in Turkey and Greece. So that's actually how it like, you know, this context, these people, his former friends helped me to move and actually like relocate myself there. I asked him, why don't you go with me? I don't know. Was it love from my side? I don't know. But I asked him, why don't you want to go with me? He said that he cannot leave everything he created all these people who relied on him all these people he have been trained and raised you know he would take all this you know under privilege under age kids build gyms like work out places where these homeless kids could come and have food and roof under they had because as I said after like this revolution after 1991 there were so many kids like homeless kids and they didn't have family because parents either like would you know become druggies or alcoholic or die or whatever would happen all these kids were like on the streets so these kids were sort of adopted by Vladimir and he created all these gym facilities for them where they can actually live.

2:24:56And after some time, maybe it was his purpose also to raise an army for himself, for the future activities of his. Because after when, you know, when they would grow up to late 18, sort of like 16, they would participate into his gang. Who knows? But at least he didn't let them to die. I don't know. So he said, I cannot leave them like this. I have to do something. I have to find another leader in order to, like, you know, take care about this business, take care about them. And of course, I think he wanted to revenge with this corrupted commander of mine. So that night he placed me into the car with the driver whom he know, but he wasn't the criminal.

2:25:40He was his friend from the childhood, from like the school or whatever. He drove me to another city, to a safe house. and then literally after two months Vladimir was killed by his own I mean they don't say who and how and all this, just shot

2:26:03it's actually an article on the internet so people can look online and search and see it, so he he'd been shot and that's the end of the story I mean his story. Were you sad?

2:26:23You know what? I lost that time when I, so that night when I realized that my commander set me up because of whatever money, because of the money and power, because of the revenge, because of many things, because I also said to him no one, he wanted to fuck me. You know, it was like male ego, revenge, money, corruption and all this together, when I realized that I lost, you know, like hope and belief in any kind of like romanticized feeling of the patriotism, that I sacrificed myself for the country, for people, to save them. and then like my job myself been used for some someone's purposes for like just gaining money or wherever and i'm just like a little tool which is not that important and you just like can you know through like people like that because like as i said like one of my uh colleague was killed during this operation and like nobody would care.

2:27:44I lost, I think I lost any belief or hope. I don't know. I just lost it. Believer hope in men, believer hope in humanity. No, I didn't lose the belief in human beings, of course. There's so many amazing people I met during like these years. as i said like uh i don't have any negativity towards men of course not but i was raised in in a very with very patriotic feelings like you know your grandfather is a hero your father has all these medals like your father has such a name you know it's such a it's amazing feeling when you go and sometimes it's difficult to dangerous missions but you feel like your job is so important even though it's hidden for public but your job is so important because this allows civilians like normal people sleep peacefully in day warm baths at night while you are in this during this night in the freezing cold air like doing something or like you know doing your job and you like you know what i'm saying and even though it's like really hard and you haven't eaten you haven't slept you exhausted physically But the only one hope which actually keeps you, like, focused and keeps you, like, this, you know, like, positive is because you know that...

2:29:25You believe in the mission. You believe in the mission. You believe that you're saving someone's life. It's the only one big belief. And this was betrayed by my own commanders, by my own government. Like, how could I live with that?

2:29:48It's life, I guess. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

2:29:55I mean, under completely different circumstances, there's a lot of veterans and former intelligence personnel that feel the exact same way about this country.

2:30:14I can understand.

2:30:26You did feel an emotional attachment to Vladimir, didn't you? I felt that, you know, I... One of my dreams actually is very connected to his. And I think he inspired me to do that. I see exactly myself in five years where I will, I want to see myself, where I'm, you know, I work for that, where like I see myself in 10 years and 20 years and I see myself when I will be like, before I will be dead, where I want to see myself. And I want to see myself ideally in the island with a big, big house where orphanage, orphan kids from all around the world would live there and be raised there as a family disregarding to the fact what nationality they are what race they are what background they are educate them and raise them as a sisterhood and brotherhood and just give them this chance and possibility of having the roof and family.

2:31:46And I think this dream was inspired by Vladimir because that's exactly what he was doing.

2:31:55Maybe I had attachment with him. I don't know. Maybe. Maybe that's why I cannot, you know, have another relationship. Attachment to anybody else? Maybe. But look, from another hand, it's such a beautiful sacrifaction, right, of man. He sacrificed his life for a female he loved. Beautiful. Very noble. Even though he was a criminal. But still, it's a beautiful, you know, action for a woman, for a laugh. I appreciate that and I really respect. And I think that one of the reasons why I share this story is because to bring this awareness also that this man exists, you know, that men can do such noble things for women if they really care about women and they love them.

2:32:52You know, so it's something really beautiful can happen if you really love someone. How often do you think about him? About him?

2:33:07Only when somebody asks me. I don't really think about him in a normal routine. I'm constantly so busy, and my brain is always occupied with so many projects and things. So one of the technique also, not to go to the past, because it can ruin you completely. And so I learn. also there is another technique so i learned how to block your past so you don't you know the worst thing when you compare what if what if he wouldn't be that and we would meet each other in greece and happily live and have three kids and blah blah blah what actually brings you nothing you just basically deportizing yourself and it's a virtual world which doesn't exist right you need to focus on the present moment and i always do this technique maybe you heard that when i go to this negative thoughts what if or my past or like you know i got a little bit emotional because maybe it's a really like a few times in my life when i went back to that moment when i was raped and beaten up almost to death, I don't allow myself to remember that.

2:34:30Because if I would, I would never get over that dark emotions. And then this can lead me to really bad things. Like, for example, I don't drink alcohol. I choose not to because in the past, if I would drink, my brain slowly, but my shield, my guard would, you know, drop, and I would remember that memories and that experience, and I would go into darkness, as I don't consume any drugs, because it can also bring me the same problem, you know? So, I self-regulate myself, and I self-control myself because i choose healthy lifestyle i choose to achieve my goals rather than memorizing and remembering that past that past made me who i am today and i choose to be strong

2:35:32right and move on rather than to live in the past and i strongly advise people not to live in the past and remembering the past but move on because the life is beautiful there's so many amazing things in the world you can do so so many great things for others for human progress for for our planet for our home it's amazing you know the thing is is that it does keep coming up for you it does keep coming back it keeps coming back it keeps coming back when you drink it keeps coming So that's why I don't drink. So it's coming back right now. So what I want to ask you is, would you rather process it and come to an understanding and move past it or keep blocking it?

2:36:22Okay, great question. Thank you so much. I feel like I'm with my therapist now. So I worked with therapists for 17 years, right, as I said.

2:36:38I don't know. I don't know because if I, okay, I will be honest. I don't think I'm powerful enough to process that. Really. I think it will, you know, it will really destroy me. You know what I'm saying? I'd rather keep it over there for now, because at the moment I still do not feel stable. You know, due to certain circumstances in my life, I still don't feel like, okay, I am safe. I'm like, I have my security. I don't feel it yet. I am working on that right now. I want to achieve it. Once I will do it, maybe it would be enough power, enough energy to go back and process that. But right now, I'm in a kind of like vulnerable position right now, still being here in the US for like five years.

2:37:45I'm still in a very vulnerable situation. I don't want to go there so dark and work on it. I have not, you know, I don't have power enough to do this. have you ever heard of psychedelic therapy i've heard and again i am scared to do this like you know especially in los angeles they're all about like i've asked god like this like um ketamine um therapy right i am scared i'm scared to do that i'm scared that i will not come back you know mentally i've done it did it help i don't know sean like i'm scared see the thing with it is i talk a lot about that on this show and you know most the majority of the people that i talk about it with are are you know former special ops guys that have done just horrific stuff and you know the general consensus is that it's very healing and you know that for me too i mean that when i did i came off booze up to be almost four years since i've had a drink this february congratulations thank you big achievement it's hard but um actually it was easy for me well i did psychedelics and really no it's hard for me sometimes i just want to But what I'm saying is it'll throw you back in those situations, but you're able to observe it from a different perspective where you're not necessarily emotionally attached and you process it.

2:39:21Do you think that I block these memories? Yeah. So do you think if I would go back and process it would actually give me sort of like reveal? Yeah? Only maybe with the specialist. I think you would be able to think about it and move past it from an unemotional. Like, this happened to me, it doesn't define who I am, and it's okay. Well, I almost came to the state that it's okay. Like, I'm grateful to my experience. If not this, I wouldn't be sitting here, right? So I'm grateful and I'm blessed.

2:40:13But maybe with the right specialist, as I said, like I have a trust issue, so even with a therapist, I'm very careful about what I'm saying or whatever because of, you never know. so obviously like when you are in such a vulnerable state i under psychedelics you need to really have people who you trust 100 unfortunately i cannot say that right now in my life i have these people maybe because it's my problem okay i trust my son 100 i do trust some of my friends, people I work with, but to do psychedelic with them therapy, no. Does it make sense? Makes perfect sense. Okay. I'm just planting a seed and maybe I'll look into it.

2:41:11And if you do and you need some contacts, let me know. Okay. But, you know, so, you know, going back to Vladimir, I mean, I think it's very obvious that you had some sort of connection, feelings for him. I'm just curious if you did have the opportunity to talk to him again, what would you tell him? If I would speak with him, I would tell him thank you. Of course. Thank you for giving me a chance to live this life and being here right now in front of you. Just big, big thank you from the bottom of my heart. That's it. I mean I would I would of course apologize but I did apologize that night I think he understood that sometimes we are in these life circumstances that people, you don't need to even say that you apologize because people know that you are it's different but being grateful 100 %

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2:44:37you know some people say that oh so here like you know basically the story about her being a spy it's a cover to cover her real identity she's still spy because she goes to all this like here she goes there she has this life so she's definitely a spy i'm like oh my god these people Well, everybody thinks I'm a spy too. Really? They do? Yeah. They don't all think that, but a lot of people think that. Okay. So this is kind of normal when you speak about this kind of thing. So people think you are a spy. So in America, it's kind of normal because I will explain. I don't know. Like you can totally record that.

2:45:25So what I was surprised when I moved to America, you see, I lived in Europe for 15 years, right? When I told some people about my, just like my very close people. So for example, I was dating Lord, a British Lord who was very close to a real family. So I told him like about, you know, my past. We still have a really good friendship and all that. He told me, sweetheart, please do not share this to anyone in this country. like just don't i'm like okay so i didn't i come here and uh it was sort of like um a necessary thing to do but when i shared that what i didn't expect that press will go viral like viral as it became like viral like different other countries including even india only like, you know, Asia, Greece, and all, like, Slovakia, Slovakia, Australia.

2:46:31I mean, like, they all were writing about, like, so it's ongoing press, like, the New York Post, it was a recent one. But before that, it was much bigger mainstream. So my team did an estimation. It was over 500 million viewers on just, like, some articles, which is crazy. so but everything came from america so american press presented me so i kind of like told them what i did but in my perspective this is operative work what i was doing i would never call it like spy work yet we did spy on our targets you know when we had to gather information you know we need to do research blah blah but yes so the press calls like oh she is a sex spy and all this and it went just viral and we're like wow like so i was even like oh my god like this is crazy um so i think especially in america because of the cold war situation and because i'm coming from ucsr it's just like became so big and so viral just because of like Like, you know, people ask these questions like, okay, so if you're a spy, it must be like in the movie Red Sparrow.

2:47:59So you must seduce these American ministers, politicians, ambassadors. You know, like, so this is the belief. Like, oh my God. So this, the imagination is crazy, especially in America. Oh, yeah. Americans are notorious for over-sensationalizing news stories and over-embellishing pretty much everything. Conspiracy theories. With some of them, I cannot disagree. I agree. but the whole like spy thing i mean yes of course it does exist but um only in this country it's just so much interest everybody thinks i'm still a spy actually i was never a spy i was a but anyways have you ever spy on someone like on your targets like to get some information yeah okay i I guess I was a spy.

2:48:56So see, if you were doing that, even for one target, they call you spy. Yet, like in Russia, they would never call each other. Hey, spy, come here. Like, hey, spy, you have to call to this mission. Yeah, it doesn't happen here. They don't do it in the military. They call you like according to your rank or according to your job status. Like, for example, operative, blah, blah, blah. Your mission is so and so. or like they would say agent so-and-so right what do they accuse you of being a spy for what's your what's your current mission wait are you talking about press are we talking about people or what do we talk i don't know i just noticed that i see it in the comments yeah that's what i'm saying in america people still think that i am a spy so i came to this country in order to spy for Russians, I'm like, people, please try to hear me out.

2:49:59Please. I'm sitting here in front of Sean Ryan and actually giving my whole story away, like telling the whole thing about myself. If I would be a spy, an active spy, would I want to do that? I mean, what for? It's so weird even to think. See, they're going to say that that's the cover yeah exactly that's what they say this is the car she was told to say that they're probably fucking spying together now there'll be a whole narrative out there crafted that we're a team i don't know if we're working for russia or the ui i don't know but what they're gonna come so um a russian spy and american spy go together at the phone and do a podcast oh my god it's hilarious but yes and then there'll be the other people that'll be like see they have to tell you what they're gonna do before they do it this is yeah this is what this is yeah and then like this is welcome to the internet but uh anyways we yeah we talk about this shit all the time all the time okay so but i am curious i have yes i have a question Have you ever worked in Silicon Valley?

2:51:16Oh my God. Yes. No shit.

2:51:23Yes, I did. Okay. So then got, this is like a short and then the government, she just, Here it is. She just, yeah. She just said yes.

2:51:38okay so i was actually invited to silicon valley san diego based company a very big company to actually give a public speaking in front of ceos and executives to talk about spy techniques how to prevent manipulation how to spot lie how to read people and how to increase sales using spy techniques. Nice. So, yes. Actually, I was invited by ABC and Hulu. They want to do the same. They want to kind of like film me giving a lecture about how to prevent manipulation for executives in Silicon Valley using these spy techniques from female spies, which is funny. That's a real problem over there why ah you mean like because of the that is a big problem especially with the ai race going on with china right now that is a big fucking problem yeah so what do you tell them how do they what do you tell them what are they looking out for how do you avoid espionage in silicon valley as you said like we just discussed that so number one be very cautious be aware of the sort of potential fake female accounts when they love bombing you.

2:53:06Love bombing? How did they find you? Why do they text you? Okay, we know what they want. Oh, I just want to meet you. I think you're cute. How you possibly can see in this little picture how the person looks like, right? Mostly of like accounts are private, especially on LinkedIn, there are not so many pictures. These Silicon Valley tech executives, they definitely don't have Instagrams, probably not even Facebooks. So as Jamie - Here's a good rule to live by. This is just a good rule for everybody to live by. If you've never had a 10 come up to you and want to fuck you, and all of a sudden they're coming around, it's probably because they want your money or your tech.

2:53:54Yeah. Yeah. All like the information. You didn't turn into a 10 overnight. So. Yes. Especially when you're. Just be honest with yourself. Yeah. But it's really hard for people, especially for men to be honest. Like really. I spoke with one person who is in Silicon Valley and CEO of a very big company. Cannot say his name and the company name because it's quite big. So he knows who I am. We spoke, we know each other through friends. And he goes, you know what? So I'm sitting in a restaurant, like for the lunch break. And this beautiful, gorgeous, Slovakian-looking, hot girl comes. And she's like, you know, pampering me with compliments and like blah, blah, blah.

2:54:49And all this. and she wanted me to go with her to have sex, like straight away. But he told me, I didn't know. He said, I was wise enough. I understood that she probably was a spy. So I'm so good I didn't go with her, even though it was so hard to resist. Do you think she was a spy? I'm like, oh my God, dude. it. And then another comments also from Silicon Valley guys, also quite big, you know, corporations, big status executives and all that. They said, so what? At least I will be fucked by gorgeous girl. Why not? I'm telling you that it's crazy, but that's what that's, you know, comments I receive.

2:55:47Wow. Yeah. How many, I am curious, I mean, how many, is this common knowledge in Silicon Valley? Does everybody know? I think now it is because of the Times article, but before I don't think so. You know how many actually Slovakian women go there to target potential future husbands? Like, it's unbelievable. I know the story. Hundreds of thousands. Yeah. I know a lot of stories actually. I don't even, do you remember like 10, 20 years ago, it was very popular, these websites, dating websites, they would call it like Russian wife or like bring Russian wife or like Russian date or whatever. Mail order brides.

2:56:30Right. So this American Silicon Valley-based man would go online to find Russian or wherever, like Slavic-looking woman, speak with them online, before seeing them, make for them a bride visa so they could come from Russia or Ukraine or whatever countries to America to meet with them for like, I think the visa was for six months. and they decide if they want to marry them, like this woman, then she would stay under the marriage visa, like the green card marriage residency, or she would go back home. But most likely, of course, this woman would do everything, everything to show the best behavior, obviously, in every possible way, so this man would end up marrying them.

2:57:27And surprisingly, I know a lot of females having this situation. So they would particularly target American men from California, from Silicon Valley, in order to move to America, get married, have kids with them. And then who knows, maybe still deliver some information to the government. And I spoke with one of them and you know what she said? we spoke about this and there was like some sort of like conflicts between different women one woman would say how can you actually create a family and raise kids with your target another one would say yes but um if you do that for the government like why would you do it for government, right?

2:58:21But another one said, like, imagine the situation, what if your parents in Ukraine or Russia or Belarus or whatever, what if they are threatened or they would be put on risk if you would reject this task from the government?

2:58:45Man, how many spies do you think are over there? A lot. How many countries? How many countries? Okay, so I spoke with one person I mentioned before, mostly China, because Chinese are particularly targeting the IP, intellectual property from the American companies, cooperative companies.

2:59:16Russians, not so much Mossad. British, they said that's not in a good shape right now. Sorry, but it is what it is. I mean, I spoke with the pro. That's a very classified information, but it's actually truth. So, you see, the point is that the Chinese secret intelligence and Russian, they don't really have human rights low as high as in America. So for them using humans, it's quite common and normal. Okay. And besides, they don't have that much money to use technology. so it's easier to use humans are you are you still in contact with any of your family yes of course your father yes we speak we speak time to i mean like not every day of course but we speak like once a week or two weeks just to check on them we cannot speak anything about the war, political situation, anything like that.

3:00:31We usually speak about, like, you know, about the house, how do they feel, and, you know, what's going on in their life, and I just speak about my job, and that's it. Have you and your dad ever had a conversation about your previous career? Yes, and you know what my dad said? Even, like, two years ago, he said, maybe you should come back to russia and you know reinstall yourself in the in the military and continue working so at that point i understood that i love my dad i love my family of course but it's uh he doesn't get it you know how like it's just he doesn't understand he doesn't see what I see, and it's impossible to teach him or trying to explain him, because I did try to explain when the war started, but it went to the argument.

3:01:34So my mom said, please don't speak with him about this stuff. Just don't. Wow. When I actually, he doesn't know the whole story about Vladimir, but when I actually moved out from Russia, even though I was still in Russia, he actually stopped talking to me because what I said to him, the way I presented it, I said, I quit and I left. So my dad didn't speak with me for over a year because I betrayed his plans and his goals on my future and sort of the family. I kind of like let him down, if you understand what I mean, because he was portraying me and believing that I would be, you know, having this like high rank and maybe like, you know, he would be proud of me and all that.

3:02:42I went to a completely different path. I don't understand if he... I mean, I think he doesn't understand that, and he doesn't... approve that. But at the moment, it is what it is. Of course, he would want to have, for me, a different future. Man, that is fucking tough.

3:03:08I mean, how would you go back to Russia and work in an intelligence unit anyways? I mean, you've abandoned... I could. If I wouldn't go public, like I'm doing right now, I definitely could. If you didn't go public, but you are public. Well, that's why I decided to go public, because I'm like, I'm so done. I don't want anyone contacting me. I don't want anyone to be sent. I don't want to be attached. oh this conversation with your dad was before you went public okay yeah yeah so now now when i'm like public and all this um so the good thing they don't have social media because it's banned in russia like you know spotify is banned um whatsapp is banned every single platform are in Russia.

3:04:00Sometimes they don't have internet. Some days they don't, like they literally don't have internet. So they cannot really go and see. The only one platform they can check is my Instagram. But my Instagram is all about fashion. So when I moved to London at 30, I finally was like, okay, so finally I can do something for myself. And my dream was to work in fashion. So I was enrolled into a top fashion university, Sestatuto Morangoni in London. I got my master's degree and I started to work in fashion. And I was super happy because I was working for a really big publishing house like Condé Nast in the UK for Vogue and Tatler and Vanity Fair magazine.

3:04:49So for me, it was very like, you know, big and prestigious. So I created my fashion blog in Instagram. So everything is about fashion. So I go to Fashion Weeks, Milan, Paris, I promote fashion brands, I get paid. So Instagram is my, you know, my revenue, but as a fashion blogger. So I became an influencer in fashion much earlier than I revealed my identity being a secret agent. And sometimes people, they don't understand because they don't scroll down the Instagram to my past, and they say, oh, she revealed her story about being a spy because she just wanted to become an influencer. I'm like, where is the logic here?

3:05:39Why don't you just scroll down to my Instagram? Why don't you see that I got one million followers much earlier than I revealed my identity being a spy? And it was like I was living in Europe mostly of the time. So my dad and my family, they don't really, and besides they don't speak English, so they don't really understand this kind of things. They just see my Instagram. Oh, like she's wearing this nice dress. She's on the red carpet here. She's on the red carpet like in Cannes and Venice or wherever. So, okay. You know, that's it. So what's going on like with Spotify and, you know, YouTube, they don't have access.

3:06:20Gotcha. Gotcha. Thank God. Well, your fashion career has gone, how long have you been in fashion? Ten years. Ten years? Yeah, I'm 14 now, so I've been there ten years. I started from 13. You're in everything. I mean, I'll probably misspeak here, but when I went through, I mean, it's like Vogue, Glamour, Vanity, like everything. Thank you. You're in everything. Thank you. Well, I love fashion. I was born in Soviet Union. There was no fashion at all. So I was, you know, stitching and tailoring clothes for dolls and then for myself and then for my friends. So fashion, I always like love fashion. I wanted to kind of like have my own style and all that.

3:07:01So if you really like, you know, implement yourself and all that, of course, you can achieve everything you want as long as you work hard on that and, you know, you're moving on. So that's what I'm doing. And I'm, you know, I'm very happy that my son just recently signed a deal with the top four model agencies in the world. Congratulations. Thank you. He has really good physics, parameters. The only one thing I need to manage him because you know how fashion industry is. It's, you know, entertainment and all that. So he has to be very careful. So I would be the one who would guide him, introduce him to designers, be there as his manager and just help him to go through.

3:07:44So, yeah, I'm very excited about that. Right on. Congratulations. Thanks. Do you use your seduction techniques to get what you want today? Always. Today? Today. No. Today, I mean, like, first of all, you're a married guy. Well, I don't mean to me. I just mean in anything. To audience, high audience, too, like me. Any, I mean, to advance your fashion career, to get anything that you want? I mean, do you use those techniques? In my normal life, yes. And I would say this is my DNA always, but in a good way. You see, you can use spy techniques for good. Like, for example, you want to motivate or inspire your colleagues.

3:08:37that's why congratulations your top one podcast in youtube and in spotify why because you inspire your team you bring them together you motivate them because alone we can't do all this job we need like right good team next to us doing you know this mission together like you know like in the military you cannot do the mission by yourself you have to have the right team with you right so how to motivate people, how to inspire them, giving right compliments, programming them as well through anchors, but in the right way. Or for example, a wife can inspire and motivate and program her husband in order to kind of like push him a little bit to be more successful, to have a desire to make more money, to do something, to kind of like create more things, you know so spy techniques can be used for good also spy techniques can be used for spotting the lie what if you receive all this offers from potential business partnerships but they actually trying to lie to you taking advantage from you what if you can actually it's not just like gut feeling, but it's also understanding the body language, the eye contact, like analyze the words, right?

3:10:03Observe the behavior, the character, like what they say, how they say. It's a lot of little details. But what if you can understand that and learn how to do all this in order to protect yourself from giving away something in the business, which is not beneficial for you? So, same in the relationship, right? Like we just discussed, like what if man would understand that this woman is a potential gold digger, this woman is a potential spy, you know, trying to get something out of you or like they look into your wallet rather than you. and how to maybe, not like even maybe, but how to place the right boundaries.

3:10:49Because we all treat people according to the way how they present themselves. If you present yourself as a weak man, as dependent and emotional and kind of like, yeah, like, you know, weak, most likely there would be a woman who would come and try to abuse you in order to get something out of you. Right? So you need to place your boundaries first. You need to have and raise your self-esteem, your self-confidence, and that when you are confident, most likely nobody will be able to manipulate you or use you or take something from you. We're talking about like healthy partnership, but healthy partnership starts from yourself.

3:11:33Right? So spy techniques can use for good and that's what I teach to people and that's what I'm, you know, writing in the book and I want to share this to people where spy techniques can use for the dark psychology, for the manipulation as well. But that's my responsibility not to share this techniques to public, to audience so that they won't use it on each other. how do you tell if somebody's lying many things now you know what now i went to the the kind of like maybe special skill i noticed it wasn't like this before before i would like you know analyze according to the theory now i can actually without even body language or like you know the whole presentation I can smell the lie, which is so funny.

3:12:38But I think it's overtime practice and wisdom. So number one, for just people to understand, number one, how to spot the lie. When somebody tries to push whatever they want and they try to push you in a way that hurry up, hurry up. Like we need to do it now. Like today is the day. Like now is the time. We need to do it now. Let's do now. Come on. Come on. Like when somebody is rushing you like this and another person, for example, would distract you with talks or other like activities or whatever. This is a big red flag. So you need to guys, give me some time. Let me think. This is really important to remember.

3:13:27to never make any decisions when you are in this rush situation. Second, the lie. Yeah, of course, body language, but we all know that, right? So people say, well, I wouldn't say that this is actually work. When people look up left or up right, usually left, they're saying it doesn't work like that because... That could be a confidence problem. Yeah, or sometimes we remember something. sometimes we think about something or sometimes like I can like go like this and like thinking like you know looking at your beautiful picture over there for example like like you know like there could be so many thoughts like I wouldn't stress particularly on the eye position but body language yes so when somebody's hiding something they usually hide themselves right usually like women usually women they sit either like this like you know it's a very close position or they put the back on the knees also like closing position or again like when you're covering your mouth or like you're covering your eyes or like you kind of so you try to whatever you say but you you know distract you're looking for something to do yeah like at the same time like you kind of like um hiding something you feel it right uh so check the the whole posture like how is it some very skilled liars they would take care but they would control the body language of course so you wouldn't even notice on the body language but then it's so important to understand what they're like asking from you obviously if a random person comes to you with an offer and pushing you or placing you in the situation you cannot say no that's definitely a manipulation and you should like just uh withdraw yourself and just get out from this and take time to think

3:15:33and also like important thing i you know check the person of course like check the social media check like you know people ask people if they know this person if he's legit if he's not legit What has he done? Who does he know him? Like what kind of like, you know, relationship he has. It could be about women and men. Doesn't matter. You need to check, you know, now we live in the internet world where you can check everything about anyone. There is a great website. I checked one person recently. You just pay like a couple bucks and it gives you the whole thing, especially in America, which is like fascinating.

3:16:12You get like the address, you know, partners, marriages and all that. Why not? So check people before you are getting yourself into some situations where you will regret after. Would you say be aware of people that don't give you the opportunity to talk? Fast talkers, overabundance of talking is an avoidance of questioning. Yeah. Destruction. They distract you with their talk. So you're kind of like you're lost. So you cannot even hear your thought process because you're distracted with their conversation. Mm-hmm.

3:17:00This was a fascinating conversation. Thank you. What should we cover? Or is this the end?

3:17:12I don't know. You tell me. I'm like, we went from like crying to love. I think we covered it. Okay. I'd love to get you back. You're going to come back? Yeah, after I will do psychedelic therapy. Right. And then after like, okay. Now I am connected with my Zen and I'm ready. I'm ready to go through that again and tell you the whole thing. I hope you look into it. I mean... I think it'd do a lot of good for you. Maybe next year. So this year, all month's gone. Next year, when the book will be out, hopefully I'll get like... I will be sorted out with my citizenship and everything. And then we'll see.

3:18:08I mean, maybe, yes, maybe I'll have the power enough. But again, like, it's all about, like, the time also, the right time. You see, like, when you travel, when you're committed to so many projects, you just simply don't have time to yourself. And that's also important. Like, I need to have time for myself. And I'm so happy this Christmas break is coming because everybody will be busy or, like, with family, so I can finally sleep. And I can finally rest. Finally, I can sleep in my bed for at least eight hours. Nice. Yeah, this is my dream. Last question. If you could recommend three guests for this podcast, who would they be?

3:18:48Three guests. You know what? So I listen to a lot of your episodes, and I scroll down the whole YouTube. It's amazing. very interesting topics and all that. I actually really fascinated. I won't go to this, you know, conversations, but it doesn't matter. But like some of the guests, they were just amazing, like wow, and very inspiring. But I noticed that there are not so many female guests, you know, so I think if you would bring more female guests, especially therapists, So, for example, you talk about mental healing and PTSD, maybe it would be great to bring somebody like expert or therapist on that, but female, from a female perspective.

3:19:38Okay. I would also invite a relationship female coach. So, for example, I'm happy to talk about what women want from men on the first date or in terms of long relationship, because it's such a... Men obviously have completely different psychology from women. Women also have different psychology from men. But women are more educated in this way, because women want to Women have a precise time limit. Men, they don't. So it's very important for females to have everything during like a specific time zone, like, you know, marrying kids, raising kids, you know, also making career and all that. So it's very limited time.

3:20:30What do women want from men? I'll ask you. Okay. Good question. women want from man only one thing

3:20:47women want stability that's it stability that's it guys it's it's um wherever you you would hear oh she wants this size or she wants that size of a wallet rubbish they want stability i can tell you this and as a woman and i i work with women even if a guy doesn't make that much you know revenue yet but he is stable meaning that he is self-regulated he's self-disciplined he um committed to his work he committed to his project he committed to their relationship so he doesn't lie, he doesn't cheat on not just like physical cheating, but like cheating, like lying, oh, like, maybe this is water, maybe this is wine, maybe this is black, maybe this is white, like, you know, like this kind of like, because this is not stability.

3:21:43When women spot that man is lying somewhere, the trust is gone. And then women think like, how can I actually have kids with this man if he lies to me in these small things and then like after like having kids like what what if he will leave me what if like he'll he'll just uh let me down in something or whatever right so women seeking for stability even though as i said the guy is not like maybe successful yet but he's very committed to everything he does and he says tomorrow i will do this and he does it like i go to gym, let's say, every day for one hour and he does it, whatever, but he is committed to everything he's doing, then a woman has this understanding that, okay, I can trust him.

3:22:35He's stable because during the time, I can see that he didn't mess up in anything. So I can trust this guy. So I am okay to go ahead with him and build life together so stability but of course they are like small not like small details but they're like other details like of course women are looking for attention physical attention compliments moral attention and support of course. Otherwise, you know, I strongly believe, and that's what I say to my students, as I said, women, they have limits with time. And for a woman, it's very important to choose the target wisely.

3:23:27Sorry. I just, okay, let's call a potential partner, the right partner at target so if a woman goes into relationship with the cute guy and she just likes him but he's unstable and he mess up like in different things but she forgives him and she goes ahead it may be like you know a lot of time like years sometimes and she's still you know waiting for something most likely this guy will never offer you and propose you and most likely this guy would never be committed to you because like he's like he doesn't even know what does he want so why would you waste your precious time on this person because we cannot change people unless they want to change themselves so if you think that you will change man this this not going to happen.

3:24:22So instead, why don't you choose the right man who is also willing to work with you on building something together? But the thing is, it's very difficult. Of course, it's hard to find the right target. But it's possible. Because in the beginning, also, you need to have your boundaries and you need to tell the man, what are you looking for? As like, he needs also to tell you what does he want. Because you may be playing these games, but in fact, he just wants to have easy, simple sex, and you want to build a family with him and have kids. You are in different dimensions. Different worlds. Exactly.

3:25:07So of course it's not going to work, and you'll just waste your time, and then what would happen? You will have a broken heart, PTSD, you lose time and energy and your youth. How many examples of the stories do we have? Do we know? Millions. So that's why women need to know what do they want and they need to state in the beginning of relationship what do they want. In a nice way, of course, not like, OK, I want this, this, this. But, you know, the funny thing is I have one of my students who actually, so that time she was 38 years old, working in the bank. beautiful girl. And she was like, you know what?

3:25:50I want to, I done my career, blah, blah, blah. I have like income, good, stable income. I have some savings. So I want to have family. I want to have kids. I want the right man. And what she did, she just basically went online and every single evening she would meet with new men, but she would state, dude, I want to get married. I'm 38 years old. I'm planning da-da-da-da-da-da-da. And a little bit about herself. I'm so-and-so-and-so. So even in dating website, like sort of like Tinder or wherever, but she was able to find the right guy for herself. And now they're happily married with two kids.

3:26:31And it's been already like, what, over six years. So it's possible. But you need to know what do you want. Good advice. Well, I hope it helps. Great advice. Well, Aliyah, I just want to say thank you for coming. I'd love to get you back here. Thank you, Sean. Fascinating conversation. Thank you so much. I really, really appreciate it. My pleasure. Best of luck. Thank you.

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