#278 Ro Khanna - Why is Congress Afraid to Subpoena Every Name in the Epstein Files?

13:59Ro Khanna:hours they can't lie for two hours i mean it's a it's just sit here they all wanted to come before the election they all wanted to do the two hour three hour podcast or have vance come well have some person come and explain why they've redacted what they've redacted these are also all the same

14:15Shawn Ryan:people that told us all about the fake news for eight years and how they'll never go back on the fake news until you get elected and then there's no more hour-long two-hour three-hour four-hour conversations it's two-second news hits on fox news they don't do podcasts anymore yeah i mean it's back it's back hey let me get my daughter-in-law a job at fox news and i'll just fucking go on there and say fuck all the podcasts good job well they're forgetting how they want a lie another fucking lie but i i just i don't even know i don't even know where to start with this stuff but i do want to ask one thing we we made this isn't a right versus a left thing And that's why you're here.

15:09Shawn Ryan:And so I want to know, why did you vote no to hold the Clintons in contempt of Congress? Sure.

15:15Ro Khanna:I voted yes on civil contempt. I voted no on criminal contempt. And I voted no on criminal contempt because I said after the release of the files, they should come testify. They've agreed to testify. So if they hadn't come and testified, I would have voted yes, ultimately, on criminal contempt. But the vote then was yes on civil contempt, no on criminal contempt. And they are testifying on February 26th.

15:39Shawn Ryan:What is the difference? Can you just explain the difference for the audience?

15:42Ro Khanna:Criminal contempt means you can go to jail. Civil contempt means that you could be fined. You don't go to jail. It's a fine. It's a violation of Congress. But the point is, I just thought it was premature when Comer was already negotiating. And what I said is, after the files get released, they should come. This was before the files were released. As soon as the files were released, they're coming. I mean, it's 50 % of the files, but it's enough. And if they hadn't come before Congress, which they're now coming, I would have voted for criminal contempt. And I said that at the time. So people could criticize, why didn't you vote for criminal contempt then?

16:20Ro Khanna:But the negotiation hadn't happened. You've got to give someone a chance to come and testify before Congress.

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18:33Shawn Ryan:i mean there are more pics with epstein online than there are of me and my wife it's it's there's a lot of pictures of those two together.

18:44Ro Khanna:Of who, Clinton? Oh, yeah. He owes an explanation. I mean, he owes an explanation about how many times he saw him. Did he go to the island? Was he at any of the parties? Does he know? You know, the other thing is, does he know other people who were raping these underage girls? Does he know what Epstein's role was? Because, you know, there are pictures of Epstein at the CIA headquarters. I've never been to the CIA headquarters.

19:12Shawn Ryan:It's not that impressive.

19:13Ro Khanna:You know, I've been on armed services 10 years. The senior person of the armed services committee, senior person of the China Select Committee. I've not met William Burns. He was the head of our CIA and you got Epstein meeting him. So I want to know from President Clinton, like, who is this guy? How is it that he is corresponding with Modi or people like Modi? How is it that he has this relationship with Barack? How is it that he is at the CIA headquarters? How is it that Gordon Brown's government is tipping him off, Mendelssohn is tipping him off, that the UK is going to buy the euro currency and then Epstein is trading on it?

19:58Ro Khanna:Someone knows why this guy is networked in the way he's networked. And those are questions that we should ask President Clinton.

20:09Shawn Ryan:What are some of the things in the files that just you found? What are some of the big surprises that you saw? How many people are involved? Yeah. I mean, we've got Jay-Z, Bill Gates, Reid Hoffman, Elon Musk, Peter Thiel, Bill Clinton, Serge Brin.

20:32Ro Khanna:It's just everybody's in there. There's some prominent people in Silicon Valley. And people who think I was political about this, like, these are people who support Democrats, many of them. Some of them are the biggest donors to Democrats. They're more arguably people who have, on the left, who have fallen than right now on the right. I mean, the head of Paul Weiss, big Democrat. He just resigned. You've got all of these names. And what I have said is, I don't care where the chips fall. Every single person you mentioned, if they are in the files, which many of them are, they need to be held in front of Congress.

21:06Ro Khanna:They need to be investigated and they need to be asked questions. Did you go on the island? Why did you go? Under oath, by the way. What did you see? Who raped these underage girls? Were you ever at a party where there were underage girls? Were you ever at a party where underage girls were being paraded naked? And not just if you were on the island, if you were at his home, if you were on his ranch. And look, there may be people who are innocent. I'm not saying there's due process in this country, but how do you not investigate it? How do you not sit them down under oath and ask them questions?

21:38Ro Khanna:Even Melinda Gates, Bill Gates' ex, is saying she's got to answer questions.

21:43Shawn Ryan:Did you see that? Yeah. Did you see that email chain? I did. He was asking for some kind of secret antibiotics to slip his wife because he gave her an STD or thought he gave her an STD and didn't want to.

21:57Ro Khanna:Yeah.

21:58Shawn Ryan:I mean, and then his explanation.

21:59Ro Khanna:Holy shit. His explanation is, oh, Epstein didn't send that email. He just drafted it to himself and actually didn't hit send. Well, I want to see if Bill Gates would say that under oath. I want to see if he would say that actually if there's an investigation. What these guys do is they find a convenient journalist to ask them a softball question. They do a two-minute hit. And then they're hoping, okay, we're done. We're going to go in hiding for two years. And people will forget. And we've got so much money. and we fund so many universities and nonprofits, they're going to still want our money, and then we'll rehabilitate ourselves.

22:34Shawn Ryan:Do you think that somebody that rapes kids, do you think that somebody that rapes kids, does being under oath mean anything to them? Because I don't. I don't think it means a damn thing.

22:46Ro Khanna:Well, here's the problem for people. And I just want to be clear. I mean, we don't know which one of these people actually raped kids or were on islands where young girls were being paraded naked or knew that kids were being raped. Like, there are a lot of people who knew that either Epstein or others were being raped and were still showing up on this island.

23:05Shawn Ryan:People have been calling this shit out. I mean, Nicki Minaj, was it Nicki Minaj? Just came out and said she knew about this shit. I mean, lots of people have been talking about this stuff, but they were always labeled conspiracy theorists. The guy that cut your previews probably knows more about this stuff than anybody I've ever talked to on the planet.

23:23Ro Khanna:You know, I thought he was fucking crazy. Massey and I thought we were told we were conspiracy theorists. We were going to kill our reputations. We were pursuing a hoax. And now it turns out, you know, the most powerful people in this country and around the world were implicated. But here's why it matters if you have them under oath, because if you get enough of them and they're making statements, then there may be contradictions. Then if someone says, oh, yeah, I saw Gates on the island and Gates says, no, I wasn't there. their contradictions. As it is, there are people who are conveniently remembering that they met Epstein more than they claimed, right?

23:59Ro Khanna:And they're trying to correct the record. Lutnik and others are correcting the record. Why? Because there's emails that have come out. There are other people who are testifying. So, if you get a hundred of these people under oath, you're going to find the contradictions. You're going to find out who's lying. So, I'm not counting on their own conscience coming clean. I'm counting on the fact that there needs to be an investigation. There's been no investigation. It's not just that they haven't released the file. There's no investigation. And I don't know. What does it say about our country?

24:28Shawn Ryan:It says there's a, it's exactly what we talked about last time. There is a two-tier justice system. Yeah. And the elites and political elites do not fall under the same justice department that the rest of us do.

24:41Ro Khanna:There are two Americas. There are two tiers of justice. If you're rich, if you're powerful, if you fund universities and non-profits you can do the most heinous things like you can show up to an island where young girls are being raped and have no consequence i mean so many people are involved

24:59Shawn Ryan:it's almost like it's a requirement to do that to get to the places that they are that's how many fucking names are of powerful elites are in that are in those damn files you know i was in a call

25:12Ro Khanna:yesterday and someone said basically a version of that they said you don't understand ralda you you had to be part of this Epstein network to be in the club. And he said, I didn't go, but I was tempted to go because everyone in my peer group was going. And if you weren't part of this club, then you weren't part of elite society. And so you have basically a peer pressure to go to an island where people know that this guy's been a convicted pedophile because they went after he was convicted and they know that young girls are being raped. I mean, and it's the elite in Hollywood, the elite in finance, the elite in Silicon Valley, the elite in politics, and you talk to the survivors and they say, we were told you can't call the police.

25:59Ro Khanna:You can't call the FBI because they know too many powerful people. So you've got to get an America where you've got two systems of justice and people resent that. people like you go and fight for the country's values. You risk your life. And yet these elite folks are basically saying, yeah, we can go to an island where young girls are being raped and no one can touch us. And they never thought anything that would come out and we can make lewd jokes about it and laugh about it and fly to Davos and life goes on. That's how they were living. And at the same time, people have the same thing on the economy in this country.

26:35Ro Khanna:Like, okay, all the power is in the hands of this few folks, and I'm struggling to make ends meet for my family. It's the same sense of a rigged America that has led to the kind of anger that we see.

26:47Shawn Ryan:What do you think is going to happen now?

26:50Ro Khanna:It depends. I mean, it depends if people like you are going to continue to bang the drum. That's one of the reasons I'm here. I'll tell you what these elite guys want to have happen. They want do a kind of mea culpa. You know, have you seen their statements? I regret that I spent too much time with Epstein. I regret the judgment I showed to take a meeting with Epstein. I regret that I took his money. Not like I am ashamed and appalled that Epstein was raping young girls, and there were other people part of my network that were raping young girls, and let me just confess at what happened and who did this, right?

27:27Ro Khanna:It's like this lawyerly statement. So here's what their game plan is. I mean, their game plan is, let's put these things out. Let's hope Massey and Kanna go away. You know, let them bang the drum for a few more months. Let this all fade. And then two years later, we're going to come back. We got too much money. They're going to want our money. They're going to want our scholarships. And we're going to be rehabilitated in society. That's their game plan. And the question for the country is, are we going to let them get away with it, or are we finally going to hold people accountable? In Britain, they're holding people accountable.

28:03Shawn Ryan:What are they doing over there?

28:04Ro Khanna:Well, Starmer's government.

28:05Shawn Ryan:Andrew's gone.

28:06Ro Khanna:Andrew's gone. Prince. The prince. He's gone. You know, I think there's got to be more to Andrew than just, okay, now you're not a prince. But at least he's not a prince. But he's probably got to have criminal investigation from the stuff I've seen. I think there has to actually be an investigation into what he did. But at least they've stripped him of his titles. And then they've got Mendelssohn, who's resigned just today or yesterday. Resigned. Right? There's some consequence. Starmer, the prime minister, his government may fall. He's lost confidence. By the way, he's on the left. You know, this is a guy.

28:42Ro Khanna:And I said, good, good. Good. There's accountability. This isn't left or right. The guy's on the left who's falling.

28:48Shawn Ryan:I don't even fucking see left or right anymore. I just see good and evil, and that is it. I don't see any of this other shit. I think it's all, I think, you know, Jeremy told me a long time ago, politics is WWF wrestling. I truly believe that. Yeah. I fucking see it. It's disgusting. It's disgusting. Yeah. No, I mean, they're good guys in bad guys. I mean, how, everybody's, you're saying the American people can't let this go. They can't, we have to hold them. How do we hold them accountable? I mean, you're doing your part. I'm doing my part. But we're up against a huge system that's coming unglued.

29:30I mean, the country's in fucking shambles.

29:36Shawn Ryan:It just continues to go. I mean, people talk about revolution, civil war, all this shit. It's already happening. I mean, look at Minnesota. It's a fucking war zone up there. It is. It's a fucking war zone up there. i mean places down on the border it's fucking war zone down our cities which we were talking about you know last time it's it's we're pretty damn close and we might be in the middle of it already i mean it's it's it's we got to turn it around we got that's what i'm saying we got to turn it around but how well i don't you can't turn it around with a fucking two-tier justice system you cannot turn it around when we have all these elites powerful tech people powerful hollywood people powerful politicians just raping kids and getting away with it in plain in in plain it just it's it's right out in the open right in front of everybody and they're just walking walking around

30:34Ro Khanna:that's disgusting i i see your anger i mean i see i feel it right for people not here i mean it's

30:40Shawn Ryan:like it's uh it makes me want to look into fucking dual citizenship it's that bad it's that fucking

30:45Ro Khanna:bad and you wore the uniform i mean you you gave your i wore the uniform and i don't even believe

30:50Shawn Ryan:in the fucking wars i fought for because i think those were a lie i know damn well iraq was a fucking lie that was a ploy to get kpr into fucking iraq because uh dick cheney i agree that's what that shit you know i started my career spent a long time there every fucking logistics piece in the country was kbr halliburton kbr halibur everything food like the shitters the gasoline the man every piece of logistics there was kbr did we find wmds fuck no that war was bullshit

31:24Ro Khanna:and everybody fucking knows it on 2003 i ran against the iraq war against a democrat in my own party. I got crushed, 71 to 19. But I was against the war back in 2003. And the reality is that we've never held people accountable in this country, right? Where was the accountability for the people who lied us into war in Iraq, which led to thousands of Americans dying? Where was the accountability for Abu Ghraib and the people who committed torture in Iraq? Where was the accountability for the bankers who crashed the entire economy after the Great Recession and Wall Street? No accountability. Where is the accountability in this country?

32:04Ro Khanna:And now people are saying, okay, you got these elite who are raping young girls or showing up while young girls are being raped and not saying anything, and we just want to move on? Hell no. I mean, we will not restore democratic trust in this country if we don't have accountability for some of these people who committed these crimes. That's the reality. Like, I don't care. I want a democratic project that has health care for everyone, child care. You can't get there unless you first say, we're going to hold these people accountable. They're going to face justice. And we're going to try to restore trust that there's one tier of justice in America.

32:44Shawn Ryan:So seriously, though, how do we do this? If it goes picture perfect, which it's not, but in your mind what is the path to success who brings these people who brings these people in who presses charges on is it the fbi do all the files need to be released do the names need to be redacted i mean how do we start charging people i think the process i think there are

33:11Ro Khanna:three buckets first let's start the investigation with just the files that have been released right like there's a lot that still needs to be released that was protected and redacted but there are enough names in there that can be investigated. The FBI, the DOJ should start to interview under oath every single person who is in correspondence about going to the ranch or the home where there were parties with underage girls or the island. And Congress simultaneously should start a committee, a subcommittee under the oversight and announce hearings. I don't know why Comer doesn't do that. I mean, Comer is all into holding accountability.

33:47Ro Khanna:Fine. He wants to do the deposition with the Clintons, fine. Have Trump, fine. But what about the hundreds of other people? Why aren't we hauling them in this year in Congress under Comer? I'll vote for every subpoena. Nancy May said, subpoena Gates. I said, yes. I will vote for every single subpoena, and I'll get Democrats to do it as well for anyone who's in those files. Democratic donor, Republican donor, I don't care. I'll vote for a subpoena, bring them in, and start to ask them under oath. Congress can do that even if the DOJ and FBI doesn't move. That's the first step. Second step is we have a meeting with Blanche, Mace, me, Massey, Raskin, and the judiciary.

34:26Ro Khanna:F. Comer in there too. And let's start to figure out how we get the unredacted versions that are not going to protect abusers. You want to protect young girls? Of course. Don't have the nude pictures. Don't have the survivors exposed. But give me a break. When you have an abuser sending Epstein an email about what they did with some young girl and you have the name of the abuser blacked out, come on. We need to get that information out as a second thing and push on the files. And then the third thing is simply the public shaming and the public accountability. Like, these people are still, not just are they walking the streets, they're still giving speeches.

35:10Ro Khanna:They're still on corporate boards. They're still having their gifts accepted by nonprofits and universities. They still have buildings named after them. Like, when are we going to have more accountability, at least with Paul Weiss, where Brad Karp resigned? When are we going to have some of these people out of the positions of influence and honor that they're currently in? That doesn't require Trump's Justice Department. That doesn't require Congress. That requires all of us as Americans. And I guess the question is, are we going to be so blinded by their money, so blinded by what they can do for our universities, our nonprofits, our civil society, that we say, ah, just let them have a pass, or are we actually going to hold them accountable?

35:55Ro Khanna:It's easy to hold Larry Summers accountable because he doesn't have a lot of money and he's a professor, okay, he's being held accountable. Or Brad Karp, right? He's a lawyer, fine, he's being held accountable. But when you've got billions, when you're one of these people who has a lot of money, then it's a choice. Like, okay, money or young girls? Where are we going to stand? Man.

36:21Shawn Ryan:did you watch that interview with uh epstein and bannon by chance i watched some of it what'd you

36:27Ro Khanna:think of that i mean i don't know why bannon was doing that like what the hell like what what after to resuscitate and uh revive revive his reputation did you see when he asked him if he thought he was the devil i i i saw that clip is that fucking crazy i mean and it was kind of like laughing about it right yeah that's the emails it's sort of like they're laughing about his evil evilness not just bannon but like other powerful people ha ha ha like this ha ha ha you're abusing young girls how many people wrote like bring the young girls bring your harem with you oh yeah we know this is evil things it's like they're celebrating his uh sickness they are celebrating his sickness they're all they're all part of this stuff what do you think about

37:16Shawn Ryan:Has your opinion changed on where Epstein's from, who he's working with since our last interview? You asked me what I thought. I told you I think he's a Mossad agent for Israel.

37:27Ro Khanna:I genuinely don't know the answer to that specific question. But what I will say is this. Why is he at the CIA? Why is he meeting Will Burns? Why is he talking to Mendelssohn at the highest levels of the British government who was working for Gordon Brown? Why is he talking about Modi, the prime minister of India, and going to Israel? Why is he talking about Palantir and Palantir's investments in our national security? Why is he affiliating with Barack so much that just today, Prime Minister Netanyahu is making a statement? What did he say?

38:02Shawn Ryan:What did Netanyahu say today?

38:04Ro Khanna:Netanyahu said that Barack was trying to undermine the Israeli government, and that's why he was meeting with Jeffrey Epstein. Oh, okay. I mean, that was... Right. Like, how do you have one person? I guess this is what I want to really understand.

38:18Shawn Ryan:Did he say that there or did he come to the White House to say that? Netanyahu? He's been to the White House quite a few times. Yeah, no. It's kind of weird how much he's at the White House.

38:27Ro Khanna:Yeah, I don't understand why any leader should be at the White House that much. The United States should be driving our foreign policy with our interests. But the point is, and I've been very outspoken that my view, I don't know yours, is that what Israel did in Gaza was a genocide. I do not believe that we should have been—

38:48Shawn Ryan:100 % with you, Ro. 100 % with you. It's fucking disgusting. How many kids got killed? There's thousands. 20 ,000 kids. 20 ,000 kids.

39:00Ro Khanna:And you're in my tax dollars. Went for that. I voted no. I was one of 37 Democrats who voted no on the$14 billion.

39:06Shawn Ryan:That's why we don't want to raise taxes, Ro. Can't be killing fucking kids. Can't be sending political elites to rape kids. Sorry, I'm losing my butt. I'm getting fucking pissed. But, you know, I mean, the question that has to be asked is, why is this guy Epstein, why does he have so much access to the most powerful people in the world?

39:30Ro Khanna:Like what, you know, he's operating at a level of power, certainly beyond anyone in Congress, certainly beyond any senator. I mean, he's operating literally at a level of power of a head of state. Over the president.

39:43Shawn Ryan:It's insane. In that interview, he's talking about when the 2008 collapse happened. Who did he have on the phone? He had in jail. He's got, I think he said, Bear Stearns in one hand and J.P. Morgan on the other. Literally talking to them at the same time about what's going on.

40:02Ro Khanna:Right.

40:03Shawn Ryan:I mean, why the fuck are the leaders of those financial institutions calling an inmate in prison to figure out what the hell is going on? A pedophile. A pedophile that they were all hanging out with.

40:16Ro Khanna:And then Gordon Brown's Mendelsohn, his aide, is giving Epstein tips before UK acts that they're going to bail out the euro. And Epstein is engaged in trading on that information. I mean, it's mind boggling that this guy had this kind of power. And your point about, like, how did he accumulate that power is, in my view, the central question. There are two big questions. One, like, how do we have an elite that basically thinks it's okay to show up to an island where young girls are being raped? And how is it possible that everyone in all our society, from finance to arts to Hollywood to tech to real estate, is caught up in this mess?

41:03Ro Khanna:Like, it's disgusting. But then the second issue is, who is this guy Epstein? How does he have this kind of access? That's not conspiratorial. Now we have the...

41:13Shawn Ryan:You know how we install straw men in foreign countries to control it?

41:18Ro Khanna:Yeah, I mean, we have, unfortunately.

41:19Shawn Ryan:That's how this happens, Ro. That's how this happens.

41:24Ro Khanna:What do you mean by that?

41:25Shawn Ryan:He was installed.

41:27Ro Khanna:In the U.S.? I mean, look, I think we need to ask all the questions. I try to stick to what I know, but these files have made me question.

41:43Shawn Ryan:Just giving you stuff to think about.

41:45Ro Khanna:Yeah, I mean, these files have made me question why he has this kind of access to these many foreign leaders, why he has this kind of access to our CIA, why he's involved in some of the most critical investments in companies like Palantir or others that are now so enshrined in our national security? Why is he so connected to some of the enormous tech leaders? Like, why is he connected to the most powerful people in finance and real estate? You can't just, someone's like, oh, he just collects rich and people and elites. No, this is not just a socialite. You don't have, a socialite doesn't get to go speak to heads of state and get to talk to every billionaire and get to talk to the most powerful people and direct that kind of attention.

42:38Ro Khanna:And that's an unanswered question. And that should be the investigation. There should probably be a commission. The president, next president, or this president should appoint a commission to understand who Jeffrey Epstein was and what his motives were and why he was operating. That's a national security question.

42:56Shawn Ryan:I think this is the biggest concern of national security that we have right now?

43:02Ro Khanna:Well, it's a concern certainly in terms of us being compromised, right? If you believe, as I do, as a top Democrat on the China committee, that China is our competition and that we need to win and that we need to be ahead of them on technology, we need to be ahead of them on AI, we need to be ahead of them when it comes to the economy. If we're compromised from the inside, and if it's possible to compromise us from the inside, then that's a real problem. If you have an elite that can be seen as going to an island that's so immature, reckless, self-entitled, arrogant that they can go to an island where young girls are being raped, then you wonder, what does that say about our ability to have the seriousness of moral purpose to compete with China?

43:45Ro Khanna:They've got a worse system. They've got a communist system, an authoritarian system, but their leaders, from what I know, weren't showing up to Epstein's Island, right? And so, you know, this is a question of like, what kind of leadership are we producing to make sure America stays the great nation in the world? People were never perfect. Like FDR had affairs, Kennedy had affairs, but it's the pettiness, the immaturity, the total depravity of doing it with raping young girls and the frivolousness of it that really is a mirror on like america's place more a place in in in the world at this moment what is the what is the what's the pulse in congress amongst disgust genuine disgust shock both sides both sides

44:33Shawn Ryan:both sides anybody for it anybody for what's happening you know honestly and because i'm trying to be for protecting pedophiles is there anybody in congress that is voting against releasing this shit or that's totally against it that wants to protect pedophiles let's get their names out.

44:50Ro Khanna:You know, there was one guy who voted against Massey and my bill, but I think he, in fairness, he just thought that it should have been done in a different way. I don't think he was actually for protecting pedophiles in honesty. I think the reality is that most of the people in Congress have been pretty shaken by the release. Most of them are pretty disgusted by what took place. And the question is, are they going to have the guts to go after these people? What are the barriers well you're going after donors you're going after donors to both parties you're going after democratic donors and you're going after uh republican donors these are people who give a lot of money and you don't want to you know it's a it's it's not convenient to go after them secondly

45:35Shawn Ryan:uh you got trump saying move on let me hold on i just wonder i would like to add something to that so any so if anybody is against that because of going to their donors they do not have what's best for the country in their heart they have what's best for them and that is it that's all they fucking care about is staying in congress staying in the senate saying wherever they're at it's not for the country it's for themselves if that's what's fucking happening every one of these son of a bitches need to be fucking voted out because they're in it for themselves yeah and

46:09Ro Khanna:that's the fuck about your donors it's a donors as they're concerned for themselves and their party And they don't vote, right? They just stay quiet or don't rock the boat. That's the secret in Washington. It's not that you cast bad votes. It's that you block stuff from even coming for a vote. So no one knows. No one knows that you're the one protecting these people. But, you know, why isn't every single person on the Oversight Committee doing what Nancy May said, which is telling Comer, look, go start hearings on this. Subpoena everyone. Comer, you could be a national hero. You could take what Massey and I did with the release of the files, and you could say, I'm going to haul, starting tomorrow, Bill Gates in front of this committee, and we're going to have hearings.

46:50Ro Khanna:Not just the Clintons. Fine. Have everyone. A lot of people could take the hero card right now.

46:57Shawn Ryan:Yeah. Not J.D. Vance. Vance could do it. He'd be great if he came out and said something. I'd praise him tomorrow. Anybody inside the administration, fuck, just come out and say something. something like holy shit does he really have that much of a wrath over you like fucking hey this i thought it was a free country guess it's not and that's the second thing so it's the fear of

47:20Ro Khanna:the donors and it's fear of trump because trump keeps saying oh let's just move on let's move on and they're afraid that if they really uh go after this epstein stuff that uh they they can have Trump's wrath. And it's not theoretical. I mean, Trump takes a shot at Massey in every other speech, and he has now endorsed someone running against Massey. I think when Massey wins, that'll hopefully give courage to some of the other Republicans who are afraid of Trump. And Trump's not going to be there that much longer. I mean, he's got three years. So what about thinking beyond Trump, like Marjorie Taylor Greene was?

47:55Ro Khanna:But this is the reason that you don't have more action in Congress. It's the money. It's the fear of Trump. It's people saying, move on. And some people are saying, okay, if we move on in two years, I may want some of these people's support. I don't want a billionaire super PAC coming against me. You know, there's three billionaire super PACs coming against Massey. And by the way, we discussed the billionaire tax last time. We had a good spirited conversation. But look at the people who are attacking me and look at the correlation between that and the Epstein files. I don't think it was about some tax.

48:30Ro Khanna:I mean, they have legitimate arguments. This is about being exposed as utterly devoid of morality. And if someone just looks at the tweets and the people are tweeting against me and you look at the people you mention in those files, Suddenly, there's a correlation. It didn't occur to me until I saw those files, because I didn't think that there were that many people in Silicon Valley in those files. I was naive. I thought that most people were from New York, because Epstein was in New York. I knew there were real estate folks. I knew there were finance folks. I knew there were—Clinton was in it.

49:04Ro Khanna:I knew that Trump was in it. I knew there were—Barack was in it. I knew some of the politicians. But it shocked me. It stunned me how many people from California are in it.

49:12Shawn Ryan:Might be onto something there. I will tell you a lot of people are still pissed about the tax thing. I know they are. Me included. Yes. But like I said, get rid of the fucking waste, fraud, and abuse. And when we start seeing our country flourish because of the taxes that we're paying, I'm all in, bro. I'll pay. I'll pay. I mean, I guess I have to be all in no matter what, right? But seriously, I would be for it if I saw our country flourish because of higher taxes. unfortunately the country's going like this and the taxes are going you know and it just it it's it's it's i'm just not seeing it see it all go to somalia israel ukraine fucking these stupid programs it's all over the place but it's not it's not going to where it needs to go well i do agree

49:58Ro Khanna:with you we need to show people like me who believe that the rich should pay more need to show accountability right like because we've got to show that no we're not just going to give this blank check to Netanyahu to kill kids. We've got to show that we're taking on the waste and the fraud and the abuse that's taking place. And that's why I said we've got to restore the trust that starts with holding some of these elite people accountable. So then I can go to someone like you. I mean, I think you'd pay more taxes if I said it's really going to cover someone who doesn't have health care. The problem is that right now people feel like even if they're paying more tax, their money isn't going to actually help Americans who want education or health care.

50:37Ro Khanna:And that is our challenge as a country. And it's a bigger challenge for a Democrat like me, who believes that we should have a strong safety net of health care and education. That's why I think the highest priority right now has to be holding these elites accountable. At least we start somewhere.

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54:48Shawn Ryan:And I said, we're not pulling it out. We're not pulling it out. Or we're not releasing anything at all.

54:53Ro Khanna:I can't believe people ask you to withhold stuff.

54:55Shawn Ryan:I've never. We don't. The only time I do that is when I'm talking to somebody that was in special ops or the agency that says something that was on an operation that they're like, I don't think that's still classified.

55:12Ro Khanna:That's to protect our troops. Yeah.

55:13Shawn Ryan:And so that's the only time that I'll do it. But with her, she didn't, I just, me and Jeremy, me and the whole team had a long talk. It was like, I just, I think this whole thing's bullshit. And so we didn't release it. Well, turns out it was all bullshit because I can't even remember what she said in the interview. It was basically like, oh no. And what did she say? Do you remember?

55:35Ro Khanna:It said that she was working PR in New York and she was introduced to Jeffrey Epstein. It was totally innocent.

55:42Shawn Ryan:That's the whole thing that she did. Turns out she was his PR agent. In fact, there was a big article that just came out, right? It's in Forbes this morning. It's in Forbes. It was all in the files. It's in Forbes. And so I want to ask you, we looked at a lot of her emails because she was a former guest. We're probably going to release the interview now. You should. We're just going to have to do a little dialogue at the beginning, kind of explain to them what this all is. But there was a lot of back and forth emails with her, and she wanted to do DNA tests. And she wanted to do DNA tests from, what's that website, Jim?

56:20Shawn Ryan:Oh, A23 and Me. And she only wanted to work with people that are 98 % Jewish or more. And then, I don't know, she thinks they're smarter. She says they're smarter than all the rest of us.

56:31Ro Khanna:She said that on the email.

56:34Shawn Ryan:Yep. We'll put the email up right now so everybody can see it. I wish I had it. I'll show it to you after this. But in those emails, there's a lot of stuff. What are these? Goyim? Goy? Do you know what this is? I mean, I've heard the term, but what does it mean? I think it means slaves, right? Nation cattle. Nation cattle? It's a slur. Yeah, it's a racial slur to everybody that's not Jewish. this is in these files like everywhere not just her Epstein Epstein's talking to the former prime minister of Israel in What is that? What's going on? And then we see all these laws being passed here in the States for anti-Semitism.

57:32Shawn Ryan:What about the rest of us? Why aren't we protecting the rest of us? What is that?

57:37Ro Khanna:Well, look, I think we've got to get back to the basic principles of this country. I'm of Hindu faith, Indian American, born in Philadelphia. You treat every person with equality and respect, whether you're Christian, whether you're Jewish, whether you're Hindu, whether you're Muslim. And are there cases of anti-Semitism in America? Yes, there are. Fuck yeah, there are. I'm not going to argue that. And have there been incidents? Yes. But is there an arrogance in Silicon Valley beyond just these emails of some people who think they're better than other human beings? That, to me, is the fundamental construct, right?

58:17Ro Khanna:That needs to be challenged, that you're not better just because you may be rich. You're not better just because you may have been a billionaire. You're not better just because you're part of the Epstein network. Like, I have so much more respect for people who wear the nation's uniform, who keep our country safe, for firefighters, for law enforcement, for nurses, for EMT workers, for teachers, you know, the people who built this country, steel workers, people on the factory floors. And we have lost that sense of respect for people who really, through hard work, built America, right? And I think about how I grew up in Bucks County, teachers, little league coaches, right?

59:05Ro Khanna:And they never had a shot, never dreamed of going and making millions of dollars. I don't have a problem with people going and becoming rich and starting companies. But this sense that you're better than folks, that the rules don't apply to you, and the sense that the economy should just work for you. Some people say, like, yeah, they should get to call the shots, that they have some kind a God-given right to rule or lead, that America will be better off with them in charge. And I fundamentally reject that. And that is the tale of two Americas is the problem, I think, in this country. It's why people voted for Bernie.

59:39Ro Khanna:It's why people voted for Trump. They're sick of it. They want to be seen for the people who actually built America, the forgotten Americans. And Trump campaigned on that. And people are like, well, what now? Why are you going after these people? You said you were going to tear them down. You said you were going to hold this corrupt system accountable. Drain the swamp. What happened?

1:00:00Shawn Ryan:It was all bullshit. Why do you think that, why are they protecting the abusers? Why didn't those names come out? Why are the little black lines over all the real important shit? Honestly, what do you think that is?

1:00:19Ro Khanna:They're powerful. They're very powerful. One person talked about a name who is in the files who hasn't gotten attention. I don't want to say the name, but who said that this guy is so powerful in New York that everyone fears him. And I think that the names that probably aren't in haven't been released yet or blacked out, they're probably people who are very, very powerful, who have financial interests, who have who may maybe they're saying, look, you come you you put our name out and we're going to talk about who else was involved. We're going to spill the beans about more of what what what is there.

1:00:50Ro Khanna:And so I think they were actually very clever. What they did is they put out enough, and they put out a lot of bad stuff, that people would say, well, this is a legitimate release. You ask me, is it a legitimate release? Yeah. They put out a lot of stuff. It was pretty bad. I didn't expect even that we'd get this far. But then they didn't put out the nuclear stuff. And so this is a way of saying, yeah, it's not BS. I mean, if I go to a judge saying, oh, they didn't release the files. No, we released the files, and the judge will look at it. Bro, they put out millions of documents. They've called out a lot of people or powerful folks.

1:01:21Ro Khanna:But what they do by that diversionary tactic is they can keep the worst of it secret. And now it's harder for Massey or me or their survivors to say, let's still get all the files. So someone is being very sophisticated in giving us just enough to pass the test, but keeping the most powerful people protected. And this is a question that we need answered. I mean, why are these people being protected? Who are they? What power do they have? What do they know? Because politically, it makes no sense. Why wouldn't you release this stuff?

1:01:57Shawn Ryan:You think there's people more powerful than the ones that are already in there? Yes. Yes.

1:02:03Ro Khanna:I think there are people who are more powerful or have more information or are more connected into some of these networks that haven't been released. There's no other explanation. I mean, I'm willing to listen to Blanche because he's saying we can see the unredacted files. But there's no other explanation for having an email to Jeffrey Epstein with the abuser's name blacked out and the email just says, I enjoyed the naughty girl you sent. Or I enjoyed the Brazilian girl. Like, why are you blacking that out? Or, you know, you have my permission to kill blacked out. Why? Who are you? You think that email?

1:02:42Ro Khanna:Who are they going to kill? Yeah. You think it's survivors? Who did they kill? You know, you think it's...

1:02:47Shawn Ryan:Aren't they saying there's bodies buried at the New Mexico ranch? There were emails about that. And this is... And so there's... I'll bet there's no excavators over there right now looking for anything.

1:02:58Ro Khanna:How do you not investigate it? You know, Blanche as well, they're just men partying.

1:03:03Shawn Ryan:I wonder who owns that ranch now. Do you know? I do not know. I wonder if we could find that out, bring them in. Maybe they can do their own.

1:03:10Ro Khanna:Maybe you do the investigation here. I mean, on this podcast. I mean, I but but the point is, you don't have you. You can get people voluntarily, but you don't have you've done more than the DOJ has done, but you don't have the power to subpoena. Congress has the power to subpoena. We have such power to subpoena that Bill Clinton, a former president, caved and is now coming and testifying in Congress. You don't think that we could exercise that same power with all of these people are in the files.

1:03:37Shawn Ryan:But why do you think the DOJ isn't doing anything? Because shouldn't they be the ones that are indicting people? They should. They should. They should. Who have they indicted?

1:03:45Ro Khanna:They haven't indicted a single person. Really? At post-Evster, they said, oh, he's a dead guy and let's move on. They have not released the names of the co-conspirators who they should have indicted. They have not released the names of the people they should have prosecuted. And let alone, they've done nothing to investigate these people. And I don't know why. Like, they say, okay, there's no, it doesn't rise to a criminal level. Well, how do you know if you haven't investigated it? Have you called these people in and have you asked them questions about where they were? What did they do? What did they know?

1:04:21Ro Khanna:I don't think you have. I know you haven't because these people would be saying that they were already cooperated with law enforcement. So you have, I mean, just think about this rationally. You have all these files. You got rich people, powerful people talking about being on the island. You're investigating the case back in 2007 or in 2019. Doesn't it say, okay, I'm going to send an FBI agent or someone to talk to these powerful people about Epstein just to understand what was going on? You don't have to, I mean, and they didn't do any of this. Why? Because they were intimidated. Because these people were at the Davos conferences together.

1:05:01Ro Khanna:They were financing the same politicians together. You got Donald Trump saying, oh, Bill Clinton shouldn't testify because he doesn't want to testify. You know, it's all the same club.

1:05:11Shawn Ryan:That's a good point. That's a good point. It's a club, and they don't want that club to be pierced, to be broken.

1:05:21Ro Khanna:It's people who have power in this country and people who don't. How long have you realized it's one club? I've had a sense, but it's become more and more obvious to me with these files. I was shocked at the extent of it in these files. I mean, I was like, how is every prominent person in some way connected? It's just absurd. I mean, do I think everyone in those files was a pedophile? No. But like, none of you had the judgment after Epstein was a convicted pedophile to say, you know what? Like, yeah, I don't want to show up to his island. I don't want to show up to a party where I hear they're young girls.

1:05:57Ro Khanna:Like, how is it? It's your membership in that club was so important to you that you didn't have a minute to pause and say, yeah, maybe I shouldn't be showing up to a pedophile's house. Right? It's almost, it's not even their desire for gratification at the expense of young girls. It's almost like their desire to belong to this club, I call it the Epstein class, was so overriding that they were willing to overlook everything else. They were willing to overlook girls being raped. They were willing to overlook the heinous things that Epstein was doing. They were willing to overlook the fact that he had all these suspicious contacts with foreign leaders potentially selling out our country because, God forbid, they weren't invited to those parties.

1:06:44Ro Khanna:God forbid they were not given membership into the Epstein class. And that's the two Americas we have. That's not what our founders wanted. That's not why you wore the uniform. That's not why kids died in Afghanistan or Iraq. That's not why people scale the cliffs of Normandy. And people need to wake up in this country and say, look, we've got to get our country back. And it starts with elite accountability.

1:07:09Shawn Ryan:Have you heard from the survivors?

1:07:12Ro Khanna:Yeah.

1:07:12Shawn Ryan:What are they saying?

1:07:14Ro Khanna:One of them I called back to, she texted me yesterday. She said there's a man in the files who hasn't gotten enough attention. I want you to call that person out. I'm going to call her back today to say because he really was responsible for raping young girls. and the media hasn't focused on them. So some of them are alerting me to things they're seeing in the files. You know, there's so many things.

1:07:39Shawn Ryan:Can I ask you who that is?

1:07:40Ro Khanna:I know, I can give you, I'll give Jeremy the information after if I get her permission with the survivor, the survivor's permission. But I'll certainly, I was planning to call her on the airport back to California. But the reality is that there's so many people in this that some people are just hiding. Right? If it was just, let's say, Gates, it'd be like front page news. But there are hundreds of these people. And so they're almost benefiting by the fact that there's so many. So we've got to, some of them want to make sure that they're actually being held accountable. And then they're pissed that the files were not released with their names redacted.

1:08:25Ro Khanna:I mean, that so many of these pictures were released of young girls naked. Like, I mean, how do you do that? How do you do that? So, their identities were compromised. I've heard from some of them just in tears about that. And then they're upset that they're protecting pedophiles still, these abusers. So, they are not happy. And they feel like, they feel there's some sense of accountability. They also want to know what's going to happen, right? Because they feel exposed. All these people are out there. The files are out there. But like, are we going to do anything? And they're disappointed in America because they see all these other countries.

1:09:04Ro Khanna:Like, Prime Minister of Israel is making a statement. Starmer is almost going to fall. You've got Eastern European countries talking about bringing investigations about people in the files. And our president saying, let's move on, right? I mean, Lutnik, who's in the files, doesn't even have to answer to the press. In other countries, they'd be gone, sacked, right? And it's just kind of their sense is like, okay, do we not care? That's what they're asking. Like, do we not—is it just—are we so immune that if people have money and power, that's all we care about?

1:09:42Shawn Ryan:The big rumor for years has been that if this gets released, the entire world's power structure will shit the bed. I think we're starting to see that.

1:09:51Ro Khanna:We're starting to see it in England. We're starting to see it in other parts of the world. And I didn't believe that, actually, in the beginning. I thought, okay, maybe they're exaggerating. Maybe it's conspiratorial. I thought, okay, yeah, there are going to be people in New York, and he was blocking the New York police. I didn't realize the extent of it until these files got released. And that makes me realize, okay, if this is what they've released, what are they holding and why are they holding it? And the only way we can't, Massey and I, Congress can't force the release of the classified stuff.

1:10:25Ro Khanna:We just don't have the authority. Congress, it would be held unconstitutional for Congress to force the release of classified material. The president has the authority to declassify. So what we need is a president to appoint a commission of people who are trusted to be able to look at the intelligence and then to come up with some public report. Until we do that, there's not going to be a restoration of trust. We need, in my view, a truth and reconciliation commission. Someone who's going to do an investigation of the people who are in these files and really have some public accountability, and someone who's going to look at the intelligence who has impeccable integrity.

1:11:10Ro Khanna:Maybe it's someone from the military, not a politician, certainly not a politician, someone who has incredible integrity to look at this and then do a report. Like we had the report after the Kennedy assassination or the King assassination. I mean, we still debate that, but there's got to be some understanding of who this guy was.

1:11:31Shawn Ryan:I think we should do a panel with you, Massey, some of these survivors and anybody else that's fighting for fighting for this to get released i think that would be a very powerful piece of content you want to put it together yeah i would

1:11:50Ro Khanna:love to i mean i i think having massey i think i think getting marjorie taylor green if she she's open to it i i haven't talked to her but a massey certainly survivor dc it will make it easy

1:12:00Shawn Ryan:on you guys. Yeah, I think Massey I can talk to, and certainly the survivors I can talk to.

1:12:06Ro Khanna:I'm having one of those, I know you were invited to the State of the Union, I'm taking one of the survivors as my guest to the State of the Union to make a statement that, you know, we owe it to them to be fighting for them. And I can help get the survivors. I'll talk to Thomas. I mean, he's got a primary challenge, but, you know, he's getting attacked anyway. The billionaires coming after him some of them are coming after me uh you know we've we've cast our lot uh i think doing this is going to help actually get justice to me this is the highest priority right there with you what are we missing we missing anything patreon questions we can bring in oh i do have a

1:12:48Shawn Ryan:a couple of patriots okay yeah i did uh i i forgot this this is from uh teddy borgia how do you take on the responsibility of being one of the main figures in the fight against roadblocks lackadaisical efforts to rid their app of child predators this is actually from

1:13:09Ro Khanna:his 14 year old son well i first want to just compliment schlep for what he did he had a lot of courage. And what Roblox is doing is totally unacceptable. It's not just the child predators and the fact that they're engaged in abuse online. It's also these games that they've created that are teaching kids that it's okay to celebrate school shootings or to roam Epstein's Island or to reenact 9-11. I mean, what are we doing allowing this to take place? We've got to have a new moral vision in this country. We've got to have some moral values. So Roblox is in Silicon Valley. I've met with their CEO.

1:13:57Ro Khanna:He assured me months ago that he was going to change things. But I'm going to approach him and hold him accountable, especially after your episode comes out and some of the games that he has. My first question to him is going to be, what are you doing with Sandy Hook shooting on your platform?

1:14:17Shawn Ryan:I don't even know if I told you about the chat place. We got in these games. And I did this with this guy, Ryan Montgomery, where I didn't believe how widespread pedophilia predators are in this country. And so that was my first time ever breaking into this subject. Brought him in here. He was a hacker. I said, hey, any social media platform? I don't care what you get in. Just anything the kids are in, just get in. I want to see how long this shit takes. Five seconds. Are you serious? It took five seconds. Where someone targeted. Yeah, I'll put the clip up. Ryan, do you think you could demonstrate right here, right now, how fast these sexual predators will show up in a chat room?

1:15:02Shawn Ryan:Yeah. Fire your computer up. Let's do it. I'm recording, so now I'm just going to say. Hi, who wants to chat? I named myself Ashley Female New Jersey, 13 Female New Jersey. Let's see how many private messages come in. Two already, three. It's been like 10 seconds. Yep, hey, want to fool around? Hey, how old are you? Let me just copy that. and send that to everybody because we got other messages coming in. What chat room are you in? Just a teen chat. Hey, you want to cuddle a bit? I didn't, I mean, I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt right now that they didn't read the, oh, he's 47. 47 years old in a teen chat room.

1:15:57Shawn Ryan:You got him in what, five seconds? He's already messaging in? Oh, yeah, there's a ton. I can't even keep up with him here because every time I click one, there's more on the list. Then we bring Schlepp on, and I had him do the same thing with Roblox. I said, pull it up. He's like, well, I'm banned. I can't do it. You got to do it. So I created an account. And I should have made the account. What Ryan did was he made the account Ashley13NewJersey. I put like JoeBlo4747 or something like that. I should have put, you know, Susie12Virginia. But it didn't matter. we get in there and and i'm like i just want to see how long this takes boom 20 seconds this time 20 seconds want to get freaky how old are you this is what's then the next one hey i'm bored what are you doing how old are you on chat on chat then the next one hey i'm 19 how old are you Want to get freaky?

1:17:03Shawn Ryan:There was no normal conversations in there. It was five times in probably four minutes, maybe. First one happened within 20 seconds, and it was back to back to back to back. Why do you think there's a sickness in America on pedophilia?

1:17:17Ro Khanna:Like, what is going on in the country?

1:17:20Shawn Ryan:I think it has to do... Do you know what I think this has caused this shit? I don't know about the elites. I think the elites get everything they want, and then they get bored with it, and then they need to go after something forbidden. Yeah. Because it makes them feel powerful. Yeah, it's a high. That's what I think. I think with normal population, I think it's the porn industry. Do you know what the number one search thing on porn is? No. It's incest. It's brother, mother. Really? Brother, sister. So disgusting. Daddy, daughter. That's what the most searched shit is in porn. And so when you introduce a kid to pornography, and what kids are fine, we have family friends whose kids have found it at fucking eight years old.

1:18:05Shawn Ryan:The most horrific shit. We're not talking like, you know, Top Gun sex scene back in the 80s that I wasn't allowed to watch. We're talking full-on fucking gang bangs, like disgusting. And so you get introduced to porn. Watch that. Then that's not enough. Then you move into the incest shit. Then you're into, I don't know, bestial shit with animals. Then the next thing you know, none of that stuff does, it has rotted your fucking mind completely. And then you go to the pedophilia. That's what I think it is.

1:18:42Ro Khanna:And you think it's increased from when we were growing up?

1:18:44Shawn Ryan:I think it has definitely increased since we were growing up. Although I don't know. I mean, a lot of the people I bring on this show, I'll bet 50 % of them, admittedly talk about their sexual abuse as a kid.

1:18:55Ro Khanna:Yeah, I've been shocked how many people have told me about their sexual abuse since they've seen me leading on Epstein. It's crazy. Yeah, saying four to eight. And you know what? One of the things I get told a lot is, yeah, I was abused. I was abused by an uncle. I was abused by a babysitter. I was abused by a babysitter's husband. And I never told my parents. And I said, why didn't you tell your parents? He said, because my dad would have killed the guy. And I didn't want to put my father in that position where he would go to jail. And some of these people never told their parents until they were 30, 40.

1:19:27Ro Khanna:Some of them never told their parents. But the amount of people who've had this in their families has been just shocking to me.

1:19:34Shawn Ryan:It's almost, it appears to be more have been victimized than not. And then let me go a little bit further with this porn shit. So on top of the porn, so you have all these teenage boys and girls that are getting addicted to porn in the most disgusting shit you can imagine because it's all out there. But then you also have the predators. And so the predators get in touch with the females, you know, the 10, 11, on up to whatever, 17, 18. And they lure them in with, I'm going to get you this Louis Vuitton bag if you send me a picture of yourself. They do it. Then they're immediately extorted. But the other girls find out that this shit's happening, and they want a fucking Louis Vuitton bag, and they want a new iPhone, and they want this and that and the other thing.

1:20:25Shawn Ryan:And what may start off as, you know, just send me something of you in a bikini, and then it turns into a boob, and then it turns into the whole thing, and then they're inserting things in themselves and cutting, and I'm sure you know about this. Anyways, these girls, they want that. They want the, you know, so they go for this older... They want the free shit. Yeah. The materialism. Now, those girls are no longer interested in teenage boys. So there's no connection there. There's no dating. And so now what the fuck do the teenage boys do? They go back to porn, and then they get addicted to this stuff.

1:21:07Shawn Ryan:And it gets worse. It's a cycle. And it gets worse, and it gets worse, and it gets worse. it's only fans it's porn how do we turn it around you guys gotta you gotta do something about the pornography in the country to regulate it it's everywhere i mean i got on i got on brave you know brave is i don't supposedly like the new it's it's like a secure google kind of like duck duck go it was either duck duck go or brave i can't that's what i use i don't use google anymore and i looked up one of the guests that was coming on the show well that guest apparently also there's also an only fans girl or a porn star that has the same name i just did a a a a search or just a regular search like sean ryan you know what i mean and then it wasn't sean ryan but it was a different sean ryan it's just it's at it and it's everything all of it all on a simple search wow that everybody i mean every that's crazy this this but this is i think that this is a big part of what's happening is it starts with that because i mean these kids are finding this shit six seven eight years old and they're addicted to it and in and then to feed the feed the addiction you have to get it it gets weirder and weirder and weirder until it becomes illegal.

1:22:37Ro Khanna:And then when they turn 19, 20, they're replicating it. They're the ones on Roblox and other things trying to abuse.

1:22:43Shawn Ryan:Well, a lot of these kids that are abused, I mean, it's a lot of these kids that are abused wind up turning into abusers themselves because it's all they fucking know.

1:22:51Ro Khanna:Yeah.

1:22:52Shawn Ryan:You know? And I'll tell you another thing.

1:22:54Ro Khanna:It's important that some of the abuse is online, right? I mean, and that's scarring as well. I mean, there's obviously the physical abuse. But if you're online for months or years in an abusive online interaction with an adult, I mean, that can be just as jarring to someone's psychology.

1:23:10Shawn Ryan:Well, the desensitizing these kids is also a big part of it when we're talking about roadblocks. I mean, they're taking real events. I mean, I remember thinking this. Did you ever watch Walking Dead?

1:23:25Ro Khanna:No, but I know what it is.

1:23:26Shawn Ryan:About six, seven years ago, I remember my wife was big into it. And I'm watching, there's a, I don't know his name. He's an Asian kid in the series.

1:23:37Ro Khanna:Yeah. And they have a guy with a baseball bat with nails or something on the end of it.

1:23:43Shawn Ryan:And it shows him beating the kid's head in. This is public TV. Yeah. And then it shows like the vantage point through his eyes.

1:23:51Ro Khanna:Yeah.

1:23:52Shawn Ryan:And I'm like, there's fucking kids that watch this shit.

1:23:55Ro Khanna:Yeah. Yeah.

1:23:56Shawn Ryan:It's gratuitous. And then you go to roadblocks, and they're reenacting active shooter events.

1:24:02Ro Khanna:I was so disgusted and shocked by that. I couldn't believe it. I can't believe someone comes up with the idea of doing a video game where you're reenacting killing six-year-olds at Sandy Hook, and you're reenacting the shooter killing his own mom, and then you're celebrating that, and then they have the victims' names.

1:24:21Shawn Ryan:I mean, eight-year-olds are doing this, probably younger than eight. And so, I mean, could you imagine the process of deep sense? I mean, it's just, it's introduced at such a young age that - Right.

1:24:33Ro Khanna:And all it takes is a few of them to actually internalize it, right? And you wonder why we have the kind of violence and the problems in our society.

1:24:42Shawn Ryan:But it's not a few of them. It's millions. Yeah. They said Roblox has 80 million users a day. A day.

1:24:52Ro Khanna:I wonder how much that Sandy Hook game gets every day. I mean, that should be pulled today. Like, they need to look at all these games that are reenacting violence.

1:25:01Shawn Ryan:I'll bet it gets pulled as soon as this episode comes out, but there's a lot more of those, and we got the screen recordings. You motherfuckers are going down. You motherfuckers are going down. But what people need to realize is these fuck— that doesn't mean the evil goes away. It's just going to go to the next fucking platform.

1:25:19Ro Khanna:until we deal with the broader pornography the broader desensitization on violence you have to do something about the porn industry there's got to be some values i'm a free speech guy and i may let people live but but it can't be at the point of degeneracy it can't be at the

1:25:37Shawn Ryan:point not be that accessible to kids yeah and when you and i grew up it was in the back of the the movie rental section with black fucking paper over the course or you still get the

1:25:48Ro Khanna:magazine, right? And people would be nervous about even getting the magazine used to be in a section that was restricted. Now it's all over. It's everywhere.

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1:30:53Ro Khanna:Is that right?

1:30:54Shawn Ryan:All right, cool. All right, Ro, just a couple of Q &A here. This is from Megan W. from Megan W. With all the corruption and fraud being exposed, will the American taxpayer ever see any accountability? And what would that accountability even look like?

1:31:15Ro Khanna:Well, Megan, look, we've got to have accountability both in the federal government and in state governments. Federal government, the biggest fraud in my view and waste is in the Defense Department. They failed seven audits. And I'm all for paying our troops. I'm all for having national security, but you've got these defense contractors making millions of dollars for their executives, ripping off the American people where you're buying things that a commercial product would cost one-tenth the amount. And so we need to have an actual audit of the Department of Defense. It's 56 % of our budget. By the way, Medicare Advantage is also ripping people off, billing the American government by saying people are sicker than they actually are.

1:31:58Ro Khanna:Those are two places to look at fraud and waste. On the state governments, I'm working actually on a bipartisan basis, partly after our conversation, to say we should have some kind of audit of all state governments so that there is accountability. You know, in my state, there's been places of waste. Like you had a train that was supposed to be built in 2008. And every year, you know, they say, oh, the train's going to be built. The train's going to be built. It was supposed to connect L.A. and San Francisco. it still hasn't connected Bakersfield to Merced. And we've been there almost 20 years.

1:32:33Ro Khanna:So that's a clear case. We've got a problem in my state of people who are homeless and unhoused. We've spent billions of dollars on that issue, but we still have a huge homeless population in Los Angeles, in San Francisco. That's become a business.

1:32:50Shawn Ryan:Homeless stuff has become a business.

1:32:52Ro Khanna:It is an issue in our state. We have not handled it well.

1:32:56Shawn Ryan:The rich have turned the homeless issue into a business.

1:32:59Ro Khanna:Well, there's waste that's gone in terms of where that money is going, because it's certainly not getting people the treatment and the shelter that they need. We're not addressing that in our state. You know, our cost of living is so high that we have one of the highest poverty indexes in California when you look at and adjust for cost of living. And we have one of the highest housing costs. So, yeah, we've done well as a state when you look at the UCs and the colleges and when you look at Stanford and Berkeley and we look at the startups and the production of wealth. But when you look at the working class and the middle class and the high cost of housing, the high cost of energy, the fact that wages haven't kept up and you have all this waste when it comes to the high speed rail or homelessness, we've got issues.

1:33:48Ro Khanna:So there needs to be accountability. And that's one of the big issues. There's 10 people running for governor in my state. That's one of the big issues is who's going to turn around the mess.

1:33:58Shawn Ryan:There's 10 people running for governor?

1:34:00Ro Khanna:10 serious people because people are so upset. People are upset that, you know, they're upset with the homelessness. They're upset with the cost of living. They're upset that if you're working class in California, life is hard. They're upset with crime, public safety. They're upset that we have not, we've had huge income inequality. And so there are, you know, there are all these candidates running saying, I'm going to turn this around and we'll see who wins.

1:34:27Shawn Ryan:Anybody good? Anybody good?

1:34:29Ro Khanna:I've endorsed Tom Starr, but there are a bunch of people who are running who are thoughtful. And, you know, I mean, there's Matt Mahan, Eric Swalwell, you know, Katie Porter. I mean, it'll be a, it's a good race, but they're all running unchanged. They're all running saying California is not working, energy costs are too high, homelessness is too high, we have too much waste, fraud, abuse in Sacramento, PG &E is ripping us off in terms of our energy prices. The supplemental poverty rate is one of the highest in the nations when it comes to people who are working class and poor when you factor in cost of living.

1:35:04Ro Khanna:Our education system, K through 12, has not been working in terms of we're 38th or 40th. So there's a lot that needs to change. It's a huge undertaking for whoever wins.

1:35:15Shawn Ryan:Where are you on nuclear? I'm for nuclear. You're for nuclear? I'm for nuclear.

1:35:21Ro Khanna:Where are you on it? I'm very pro-nuclear. It's got to be part of the mix. By the way, the left who disagreed with me, I say, if you look at the intergovernmental panel of climate change that the UN did, they say that nuclear has to be part of the mix in terms of tackling climate. And you need renewables, but you need nuclear as well.

1:35:43Shawn Ryan:From Lee Greathouse, in your opinion, what is the biggest change that we could make that would restore Congress to the original intent of the founding fathers? And would it even be possible?

1:35:54Ro Khanna:Get money out of politics and term limits. So get rid of all of the super PACs, all of the PACs, all of the donors. You know, have public financing or say you can only get money from people in your district. Give everyone 100 bucks of money maybe they could give to any candidate they wanted. but get the big money out and then have term limits. You could say 12 years as a member of Congress, six terms, two terms as a senator. You could debate what the right is, 18 years as a Supreme Court justice. These things were never designed to be lifelong pursuits. And people may agree or disagree with Massey or me, but we are willing to take risk to risk our own seats, right?

1:36:39Ro Khanna:Massey has a primary challenge. People upset at me or trying to do a primary challenge. And the reason we're willing to do it is because we don't have a view that this is a lifetime gig. Like, okay, you do there, you make an impact, then you do something else with your life. And some of these people, they've been there 40 years, 50 years. Chuck Schumer literally, I think, has been there before I was born. Like in office, his first elective office. How is that? Feinstein died in office. I called on her to resign. She wasn't going to meetings for a year.

1:37:08Shawn Ryan:Like she wasn't, she was just. Mitch McConnell's stroking out on camera, on fucking camera, multiple times. And it's, you know, fuck, is anybody even in there? What the fuck are we doing?

1:37:20Ro Khanna:And, you know, it happens in sports, right? Like the athletes always stay a season or two long. But this isn't a sport. Like, right, okay, you do that, your team maybe have a bad season. This is the United States of America. Well, you can't take that kind of a risk where we've got people in there in their 60s and 70s and 80s. I'm not saying I'm not ageist. Just I'm saying have a elected officials that represent the demographics of the country. But what happens when you've been there 30 years, you build name ID, you build the donor network. So even if you're not doing the job, you can just go.

1:37:59Shawn Ryan:It really does just come down to the donors, doesn't it? The voters don't even fucking matter. It's just the donors. The donors have a huge influence.

1:38:07Ro Khanna:I mean, someone dislikes me. You're a billionaire. You say, OK, I'm going to put in$10 million tomorrow against Kana. OK, so someone who's a no-name person can come in$10 million. You can be on TV. They'll get an equal name recognition right away. And then you find some vote. I've been there nine years. I'm sure there's some votes people will be upset at. You highlight that vote. Say, Kana is selling you out because he voted for this. Vote for the new guy. And so one person, literally with money, can take someone out. So if you just want to keep your job, the way to keep your job is keep your head low.

1:38:39Ro Khanna:Don't call out anyone in power. Don't ruffle too many feathers. Just keep climbing up, and then you're part of the club, and one day you'll chair the committee or get a big position, or, you know, you'll get your shot. And that's how our system works. And then once you're in there, as long as you're not ruffling any feathers, your name ID keeps getting higher, your donor base keeps getting bigger, and it's hard to beat you.

1:39:03Shawn Ryan:You know, there's a way around this, and I think you're starting to figure out how it's podcasts.

1:39:13Ro Khanna:I think that's our shot. Independent media. I mean, I said this, I go on Sunday shows all the time, and I'm not saying this to insult them because I still want to be invited on, but I've had more people reach out to me the one time I came on than probably four or five of those Sunday appearances in a row because the same people are watching the Sunday shows. Whereas, you know, I had a guy, a janitor in the Capitol say, Congressman Conn, he started yelling at me, he said, I saw you on Sean Ryan. I don't agree with half the stuff you do, but thank you for going on. He's a good guy, right? I mean, your demographic is not just the people who read the New York Times.

1:39:54Ro Khanna:You got working class folks who listen in. You've got Republicans, Democrats, independents. So I think you can bypass the elites who have run this country for too long. I'm not saying they don't have a role, but that wasn't democracy, right? And we've seen from this Epstein class and files that their values are out of sync. It doesn't matter how intelligent you are. Most of these people are brilliant. Most of these people, we want their intelligence. They've started great companies. They've done great things in finance. I'm all for intelligence. I'm all for people building wealth. But wealth and intelligence without values is meaningless.

1:40:34Ro Khanna:What built America is the values. And so I think what the democracy does, what podcasts do, is it sort of reminds people that the people in charge first matters having the right values. Then we can have the intelligence and the ambition and everything else.

1:40:52Shawn Ryan:Sean Murphy, how can we trust any of our elected leaders, especially with how wide the scope of involvement with Epstein appears to be?

1:41:02Ro Khanna:It's a big question. And it's not just our elected class. It's the entire leadership class, business leaders, finance leaders, tech leaders, Hollywood, like, how do we get a new moral beginning? How do we have a cleansing in this country? I think the first thing is we've got to have accountability. If we don't have accountability, people are just going to say, nothing changes. There's got to be accountability. There was no accountability after the Great Recession. You talk to young folks, they've seen the Great Recession. They've seen COVID. They've seen these wars. They think this elite class has totally let them down and no one gets held accountable.

1:41:39Ro Khanna:That's why I think there have to be prosecutions. There have to be investigations. There have to be investigations in Congress. And then people say, okay, there's something different. They're at least holding people accountable. And then we need a new generation. We need a new generation of people in Congress, in the Senate, in these positions, and we need a new moral beginning. I believe that the fundamental test of office should be character, should be values. Are you willing to stand for what you believe? Are you willing to do this and then go do something else?

1:42:08Shawn Ryan:I think that's what everybody what he wants. So I won't talk to very many people anymore from Congress or the Senate or in the administration because they just fucking come in here and lie right to my face every single time. It's crazy. That's why I appreciate what you're doing.

1:42:28Shawn Ryan:Rafael Vieira. What reforms are needed so wealthy or well-connected individuals can't receive preferential treatment in federal prosecutions? Wow. That's a tough one.

1:42:43Ro Khanna:Well, first of all, it gets back to the money in politics. So why is it that they're shielded? Because they know politicians. Why is it that they know politicians? Because the politicians need them for campaign finance, right? So a lot of it gets back to this fundamental original sin in America, which is our money in politics. It's, I think, why our elite are not being held accountable in the way that elite in Britain are. because in Britain, you don't need that kind of money to run for political office. So the root of it is the money. But the second thing is that we ought to make it a total crime and prosecute those crimes for interference in the justice system.

1:43:23Ro Khanna:I mean, the fact that Maria Farmer sent a note to the FBI in 1996 that Epstein was raping young girls, and the FBI sat on this and didn't do anything, and then for 30 years Maria Farmer was called a liar, is appalling. And where's the accountability? Why aren't we investigating those people at the FBI who just sat on this, who didn't do anything? That's why when people say, oh, this is a Trump thing, I say, no, it's not. It's an America thing. This happened over successive presidents. This was—these survivors were ignored and abandoned in many different administrations. And, yeah, you can lay it all on Clinton or Trump, but that's not what we're talking about.

1:44:04Ro Khanna:We're talking about a system that protected these rich and powerful people.

1:44:10Shawn Ryan:Last one from Big Country. With the short attention span of the American people, do you see this gradually fading into the background of our two-tiered justice system?

1:44:21Ro Khanna:I don't because I think it's gotten into the popular culture. I mean, when you have a factory worker going in Michigan and yelling at the president, you're protecting pedophiles. That's when I knew this was breaking through. People are talking about this in bars. They're talking about it. I'm sure they will at the Super Bowl parties on Sunday. People get this story. They don't understand all the complexity of Mendelssohn in Britain sending Epstein information about Britain trying to buy up the euro and Epstein trading on it. They may not understand the complexities of Epstein showing up at the CIA and talking about Modi and talking about the world leaders.

1:45:03Ro Khanna:But they understand the simple point that you don't rape American girls and you don't prey on American girls or from working class families and that they are disgusted by the fact that rich and powerful people who, by the way, are often surrounded by women are taking such liberties and such arrogance that they're associating with a pedophile and being totally fine going to an island where pedophilia is taking place. That resonates. That broke through, and I think that is the turning point. Maybe this can be the turning point for a new moral beginning in our country. Like, maybe this can be the final straw.

1:45:43Shawn Ryan:I think it's happening. I don't know if it's gonna go, but I think it's happening, because I am for the... Regardless of what the comment section says, the views, the like, all this stuff, the phone calls, the emails, the texts that we're... I mean... this is this is uniting people and it's really fucking cool to see people start to look beyond the bullshit party lines are really i think that's the most important thing accountability and we have to fucking find a way to start talking to each other like what we're doing right now i appreciate you bro good to see you man we'll do it in dc with massey and the survivors next let's do it.

1:46:26Shawn Ryan:Let's do it. Thank you. Cheers.

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