#311 Ben Owen & Ryan Dalton - Arrested on Epstein's Island

36:36the probable cause statement that the police had put together right out loud in court and And that's when I first learned Paul's name, Emery's name, Anne's name. But it's also where I learned that VIPD responded to that island not for trespassing. Somebody called them and reported a kidnapping. Me. So I don't know who did that. We've asked for the 911 calls, but my gut tells me it was one of those Haitians. dude i think somebody on that island was scared of what was about to happen because nobody on my boat had a clue i'd been kidnapped at all they were clueless they thought i was being detained for trespassing um we decided to stick around in court because we heard ann rodriquez's name and my probable cause statement and we notice ann rodriquez has court this morning and she's in custody that's strange because i know she hasn't been indicted on kidnapping me yet what's going on so we sit through that appearance too and as it turns out a month prior or maybe a little more month i think it was like on march 1st she kidnapped a spaniard at gunpoint what running a drone on the island yeah kid and made him strip butt-ass naked hogtied him too uh the Spaniard's brother was able to escape on boat, got the police.

38:03The police came back and found the dude hogtied, butt naked in the boat. And so that's what she was in custody for was kidnapping this dude at gunpoint. Now it turned out to be a fake gun, but that doesn't matter. You can't, you know, use a BB gun to kidnap something. So there's obviously a pattern of this. And so now the pieces start kind of coming together. You know, I heard the Haitians say this has happened seven times. Well, now I know of two times, Spaniard and me. What happened to the other five guys? Or were they just, you know, running their mouth? Maybe it didn't happen seven times. Maybe it's only happened twice.

38:36But clearly there's a pattern of this behavior.

38:42In hindsight, I don't know that she intended for me to leave that island. Like, I don't know what the actual plan was. but the fact that the woman who ran that island for jeffrey epstein is not only running it today she lives on it in this gigantic mansion i assume because that's the only residence i'm aware of on the island the guys on the island that work they refer to her as the owner she's kidnapping people and throwing them in a room she calls the dungeon. Like, what the fuck is going on? And why, with the release of all these files and all the public outcry of Repstein, why am I the only guy that's been arrested for being on that island?

39:30You know why. Do I? Yeah. It's fucked up, Sean. I more and more feel like we live in an occupied country. What just happened with Massey is kind of a scary example of that. I mean. Joe Kent's resignation. If AIPAC's literally bragging about buying that election. 100%. We're an occupied country. Yeah. There's no other way to look at it. There's no other way to look at it. And that begs the question. Our president is saying he has a 99 % approval rating in Israel. What's he got? I think it's down to like 30 % or something. I mean, I got to check, but we check it on the break. It scares the hell out of me.

40:24It scares the hell out of me. Oh, then they sued me. What scares you about it? What scares me about it? I have nine kids that have to grow up in this nation. I have helped I don't even know how many people at this point escape a life of addiction so that they're able to become functional members of society again and what is the society that they're coming back into it scares me I'm a grandparent I love the America I grew up believing in and I don't recognize it anymore We talk a lot on this show about how important it is for the military to modernize faster because there's no shortage of good technology being built in the private sector right now.

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43:15But like I'm out there, you know, trying to save lives in some of the most impoverished communities in America. I'm trying to move the needle for marginalized communities. I've fought genocide overseas. You know, it's, we've done all these things in suffering. And what I'm seeing is that our own government seems to be fomenting suffering right here at home. and abroad, obviously, but I'm just lost, man. I'm lost. And the more I do these weird things that I keep getting myself pulled into, the more I start seeing that something's fucked up. There's something that's not making sense. There's a boogeyman out there somewhere, and I can't figure out who it is or where it is.

43:59I know the feeling. You know, the first time I came on here, I thought the State Department was the boogeyman because they were in our way on everything in Afghanistan. And then I started thinking maybe the FBI is the boogeyman because this and that, and they're getting in the way on everything we're trying to do, combating human change. And now you realize they're all just extensions. 100%. Well, I just went to Epstein Island trying to bring light to that with a dude from the State Department and a couple people from the FBI. Like, they're not the boogeyman either. Something is – there's something pulling the strings, and I think we both know what it is.

44:33It's Israel. Yeah. It's Israel. I don't even fucking care anymore, dude. Yeah. I don't believe in right. You've got security. I don't give a fuck. Right? I know, but I mean, if somebody wants you dead. Yeah. You know what? You're executive. It doesn't matter how much security you've got. It's Israel. It's Israel. Our nation has been sold. We are an occupied nation. And I honestly feel like Epstein is tied into that in a million different ways. And, you know, I don't know what I've stepped in. I don't. I'm a little bit scared. I don't regret it. I've gone up against our government before in the Afghan evac.

45:16You know, I've been in front of Congress and like straight up told them, you guys fucked up. You got a crackhead responsible for safe housing, America's first interpreter in a global world terror. If that doesn't show you that you fucked up and screwed up your job, I don't know what does. I've got no problem going up against our own government, but I don't know what I'm going up against this time. I really don't. I don't know if there's a billionaire on the other side of this. They've sued me now. Sued you? Yeah, they sued me civilly. The entity that owns the island, L-S-J-V-I-L-L-C. and if that is actually owned by a billionaire, that's a terrifying thing that I'm being sued by a billionaire.

45:58The way the lawsuit reads, though, makes me wonder, is there actually a billionaire involved in this at all or is this all Ian Rodriguez? They accused me. 30 seconds of Googling me or just asking their favorite AI could have prevented the absurdity that is their affidavit against me. They called me a very violent man. There's not one shred of evidence to back that up. In fact, I've got a global track record, a very public global track record of combating violence and genocide and human rights abuses. They said that my lengthy drug use, which, I mean, that's accurate. I've been very open about that, means that I'm basically insane and subject to conspiracy theories.

46:40Bro, I am not into conspiracy theories. Not even a little bit.

46:46But the lawsuit they filed against me was basically slanderous, inflammatory, you know. But it still scares me. Like, is there a billionaire behind this? Is Israel behind this? What am I actually getting myself into at this point? And I'm not afraid of taking on big issues. You know, your team saw that in Memphis. I will step in the middle of the biggest pile of shit on earth if I think I can make a difference. And so far, I've not found anything where I can't make a difference. And I think that's something intrinsic to all of us. We can all make differences in really big things. But whatever I'm in the middle of now, am I actually going to make a difference?

47:28And what is the risk level I have just exposed myself to trying to do that? I saw an article today before we came here. I think it was the New York Post. A lady in somewhere in the Southwest, a journalist, ran a piece about Epstein's CIA ties. She just announced that she's leaving the country because she's been subject to DEW attacks. Now, is she crazy or is that real? It seemed like an incredible outlet running the story, but I mean, that terrifies the show to me. She's talking about Epstein and this is happening. And there's this other lady on TikTok who covered my arrest who said she's been having people show up at her house at weird hours, kicking the door.

48:08And I've not had anything weird like that happen yet. But is it coming? What have I opened my kids up to at this point? And all I was trying to do was shed light on that damn island. And we have uncovered a hell of a lot more than we ever intended to. Ever. You can't get to the bottom of the entity who owns it? So I have not been able to. It is a Delaware LLC. Public articles, you know, said that Stephen Decoff bought both islands, Greater St. James and Little St. James in one transaction. Pulling the property tax records, and we've done all this since my arrest. Pulling property tax records, you can see that Black Diamond LLC, which is definitely deck off, that's known, is paying the property taxes on Great St.

48:59James. There's this other entity that is paying the property to LSJVI, Little St. James Virgin Islands LLC, that is paying the taxes on Little St. James. Why? Why? If you own both of them, why not have your entity paid the taxes on both of them? Why not have your entity on both of them? Why have this mysterious shell company on this other one when you publicly said you bought it? I'm not saying that that in and of itself is anything nefarious. There could be a million financial. Maybe that's why he's a billionaire and I'm not. You know, he knows what to do with money. But it begs the question, like, what is actually going on?

49:36What is actually going on here? because I don't see that island getting turned into a resort. And look, I'll tell you this. If I'm a billionaire and I buy the world's most notorious island for pedophiles and I want to rebrand it and change the public perception of it, the very first thing I'm going to do is fire every motherfucker that worked for the last guy who was trafficking kids to that island. I'm not keeping his property manager. And if she kidnapped a guy March 1st, I'm not leaving her on the island until April 25th to do it again. These are all giant red flags that, to me, makes it seem like there's not actually a billionaire in the picture.

50:18You don't get to become a billionaire by being, you know, reckless. And those seem like some pretty reckless, like really disastrous PR moves right there, if they're true. Wow.

50:36What are you thinking? I mean, honestly, and I hate to say this because of how hard I have fought to change the things that bother me. I think our nation's fucked. The Massey election, you know, shocked me. Shocked me. Did not expect that. We've got good people in Congress. You know, Ro Connick, you've sat down, Ro. We've got Nancy Mace, Massey. There are good people trying, not Massey anymore. I don't know, man. I don't know. You don't think any of them are good? See, I think. Here's the difference between me and you. Every time I think somebody's good. Right. And that is my perpetual problem.

51:32Just the other day, saw something else. It's just – My default – I don't even like bringing anybody on anymore because – I get it. I mean, that's – Yes, do I think there are people good in there? Probably. You know what? But – Let's actually – I mean, like – I like Roe. I like Massey. I like – I just, I don't know, man. I mean, because every time I vouch for somebody, I interview somebody. I don't really vouch for anybody. I was about to say, interviewing is not the same as vouching. Yeah, I don't really vouch for anybody. But every time I, not every time. Believe in. Every time you believe in.

52:17Yeah, every time I get, I believe in, whatever. I just always wind up, it was just all fucking lies. It was all bullshit. Yep. They're all beating the same fucking drum. And that's it right there. And like, you just rattled one of those people off. I just saw one of those people that you rattled off do a tweet. We're not sending our money anymore to Somalia. We're not going to send it to Russia. We're not going to send it to China. We are. We're not going to send it. Yeah. And damn it. And, and I looked under there, do you know, Nick Fuentes? Oh yeah. Nick Fuentes leaves a comment under there.

52:53He goes, ah, I think you may have forgot one. Like, oh yeah. Is it real? Yeah. Like, oh, it was Nancy. It's like, oh, okay. You forgot the one fucking country that everybody, all of your fucking constituents are bitching about. But you want to look like a fucking courageous hard ass, right? You know what I mean? And then it's theatrics. I spent the bulk of my life an idealist, and I still am. And I trust everybody. My default is just, I just love everybody. I love people. you know and that gets me burned in my line of work all the fucking time you know but having to face the realization that i've been an idealist and just blindly trusting my own government for my entire life that one that one made me sit down for a minute i'll give you an example of just how brainwashed it's not even brainwashed i just accepted what got put in front of me for so long I was all for Israel.

53:54And then, you know, we did the Afghan evacs. We did some conflict evac in Ukraine and some other places. So after October 7th, we did some evacs in Israel and we tried to do them in Gaza, which we did a lot of humanitarian aid and all these other places I just named too. And so we tried to do that in Gaza because there's kids starving. And in that process, I think me and a lot of the same people that worked, the Afghan evac, we were trying to do this one. And we were all believing Israel's good guys and how horrible this attack just happened, which it was horrible. We're a week, two weeks maybe into this.

54:33And that meme of the dude saying, are we the baddies? Starts going around all these signal chats because we're all it's dawning on every one of us in real time. Israel is not who we thought they were. Israel is not who we thought they were. We're seeing in real time evacuation corridors to prevent death and suffering get shut down. We're seeing aid centers get hit. You've seen it in Lebanon right now. We were seeing it in Syria. Hell, Israel put the al-Qaeda leader in power in Syria. Like, what is it? And then we invited him. Yes. To the fucking White House. Yes. And fucking who was it that took a selfie with him?

55:09I don't know. Probably Trump. Well, I'm sure. Yeah. Yeah. You know what? I'm going to catch a lot of flack for saying this, and I don't mean it the way it sounds, but actually I do. Everything is fake and gay. All of it. Everything that is getting pushed down our throats from almost every legacy media outlet, everything. What you just told me about Mace is a great example. I didn't see that. And it did honestly. It's a fucking joke, dude. It's all fake and gay. Well, you know what? Are you a Christian? Absolutely. Okay. That's what I think's happening. I think this is the same fucking government that, you know what I mean?

55:49The same fucking government that happened when 9-11 happened, when we were growing up and all this shit. And now there's a veil being lifted. All these, I mean, nobody's, look, how much shit has the Clintons and the Trumps talked about each other? how much shit have we heard from donald trump saying i'm gonna fucking drain the dc swamp oh yeah bro the dc swamp just got handed to you on a silver platter they're a bunch of pedophiles yeah it's in the pizza gate shit it's in the epstein it's at everything there you go there you go now you can drain the swamp is he gonna drain nothing's happening fuck no he's not gonna because he is the fucking swamp he's in there with all the rest of them they're all buddies and this veil is getting lifted and you know we've I mean what does Christianity say don't idolize anything idolize it yeah period well we've idolized we've idolized George Bush we've idolized Obama we've idolized Biden we've idolized Trump we've idolized all these fucking people Yeah.

57:00You know what I mean? And now this veil is being lifted. These are the people that you've idolized. This is what they've done. This is how they live. They live by a different set of rules. That's what's happening. It's all being unveiled. And we're seeing this is why you don't idolize fucking human beings. Bingo. Bingo. And you're seeing it happen not just with politicians. politicians you know it's the athletes watching grown men almost fetishize a politician is the most bizarre thing in the world to me it's even weirder than idolizing athletes and and more and more i am seeing that veil being lifted i think it's why a lot of my content is going viral lately you know everybody is starting to realize that there is a war going on and it is us versus them but it's not the us first them everybody thought it was.

58:01You know, this is, our nation is rotting from the top down. And I think. She just said we're a fucking declining nation. Trump agreed with them. Right. Because we are. We are. We absolutely are. And I think it's going to continue declining as long as we look at this as though one side or the other is going to fix it. Like, I'm watching perfectly rational human beings trash brilliant solutions because it came from the wrong team. That's fucking retarded. I really do think it's on purpose. It's got to be. I think the abortion stuff. I think the race stuff. I think Second Amendment stuff. This is shit that we're going to battle back and forth until the end of time.

58:46It is because we're being pushed. This false. It keeps us in the loop. We're being pushed how everything has to be just two choices, black and white. You know, either you're pro-abortion and you want to murder babies, or you're anti-abortion and you want, you know, women to die in childbirth. Those aren't the only two fucking options. We can accept that abortion is tragic and should be limited, but it's sometimes necessary. That's not the point. Like, these people don't... Dude, we have Lindsey Graham in there who has no fucking kids. Why is that guy give a shit what happens to the country when he's fucking dead?

59:26He has no kids. He has no fucking future. There's no lineage to look out for. How the fuck did that guy get elected? South Carolina? That's a great question. I mean, whatever. He's one of however many of the same. Yeah. you know it's it's it really it i think we're leading up to a holy war it's not going to be fucking nations yeah i mean i want to be solution based i think i think there's a way out of this but everybody's got to be on the same page well and you just hit the nail on the head that is the way out of this is we have to all come together as americans and realize like well i will say that Israel is the one thing since 9-11 that I've seen everybody rallying around.

1:00:12Get off our fucking tit. We're tired of paying for your fucking education. We're tired of paying for your universal health care. We're tired of paying for your fucking Iron Dome. We're tired of paying for your fucking missile defense. We get shit. We are a fucking cow pasture for Israel. We're tired of fighting your fucking wars. We're tired of dying for your fucking causes. and everybody sees that the United States of America is nothing but a fucking cow pasture full of cattle to fucking send tax money and fight their fucking wars. Everybody fucking knows. And apparently protect their pedophiles.

1:00:50Everybody knows, except, I don't know, a portion of the baby boomer generation. Hey, you know what? I'm actually glad you brought that up. I'm on a group text with a bunch of evangelicals baby boomer men. And this topic actually, I don't know how I ended up there. This topic actually came up the other day and I speak my mind, you know me. And so I dropped a couple examples of things I personally witnessed while we were working the Gaza situation. And they actually went and did their fucking research and came back and like, holy shit, you're right. Israel is not what I thought it was. That blew my mind to have, you know, 65 year old dudes that are part of the baby boomers that have been all pro-israel for the whole lives now realizing i've been lied to i've been lied to and i think if we can get more americans to wake up to that fact and recognize that we've been lied to uh that we've been presented false you know two choice narratives where there could be a third option actually the reason we're sitting here is a great example of that.

1:01:56We were told Epstein killed himself. And then this huge fight breaks out that no, Epstein didn't kill himself. You know, we never got to consider that third option. Maybe the motherfucker left that jail cell alive. And I think that's probably how Israel, the mainstream media, our federal government, that's how they have been keeping us so divided is that we're given two choices to argue about. Meanwhile, there's a third option that's reality out there you know just like the example i just gave with abortion we're faced with this just it's just one way or the other and we don't even get to consider the third way it's second amendment one way or the other don't consider the third way and so many things tend to exist in that gray area they have to have those to keep to keep us polarized to keep us fighting the bullshit that i've i've seen play out online between blacks and whites blows my fucking mind i haven't seen anything about that in a long it's right right no it's that's dead that's a dead argument now but but it's a great example of the bullshit because you guys got to see it when you came to memphis it's not real you go to the worst streets in america there's nobody gives a fuck that is that is one of those problems that really only exists in people's heads and online it's It's manufactured.

1:03:13It's manufactured. Manufactured hate and division. And that same playbook keeps getting used for every major societal issue. It keeps people in the loop, but the loop is dying. I think it is too. The loop's going to die with the baby boomer generation. I mean, 85%, I read this, 85 % of Gen Z is tired of the bullshit with Israel. 85%. 85%. Yeah. I think Gen X, that's probably, how old are you? Are you a Gen X? 4 ,400. right yeah you're like me we don't know if we're gen x or millennial but uh 55 percent of gen x tired of the bullshit with israel i can't remember millennials i think it's 65 percent 70 percent or something but it's getting over and more it's over yeah it needs to be it's it's reached it's going to die with the baby boomer generation that the the they're the last supporters of this shit now Now, whether anything changes or not, who the fuck knows?

1:04:11You know what I mean? But... Yeah. An entire new party has to be elected. It has to be elected all at once. I talked about this with Cenk Uygur. How do we make that? And that's why, like, I really do. I like Roe. I like Eli Crank. Me and Eli have... I even hate saying that. We have wildly different opinions. Yeah, fucking wildly different opinions than everybody I know. And that's okay. Yeah. You know, but Eli's kind of on the other end of this, I think, maybe. But you know what? Like, that's a guy that emails his constituents and they tell him how to vote. And I don't know any other fucking politician that does that.

1:04:53That is exactly how it's supposed to work. Exactly. And you cannot fault a man for doing what his constituents want him to do. Yeah, that's literally his job. Yep. And, yeah, I really like Massey. There's a couple other people that I think maybe there's some hope. But in order to create the new system, I'm sorry, everybody has to go. Everybody has to go. Every incumbent has to be out. There cannot be any remnants left. I could not agree more. And it all has to happen at once. It can't be a fucking president. It can't be a senator here and there, a couple of con— It has to happen all at once, as much as possible, all at once.

1:05:31I know not everybody's up for election all at once, but there has to be some type of a uniparty, you know, where everybody comes together and it is against the Republican Party and it's against the DNC and it has to be all and and and they have to run on the fact that we're going to amend the constitution these are the things we're going to amend it's going to be term limits it's going to be no more money in politics those are the first things you're going to do when you fucking pass inside that way because it's going to get corrupted again it's only a matter of time before gets corrupted again and so that when that when that happens they need to pass what we need them to pass which are those two things plus probably a bunch more shit but those are the two things like first session after election get your fucking asses in there amend that constitution the end now we can go back to fighting about abortion and race and all the other shit taking care of term limits would would stop the rut i i don't think that's it oh i don't mean immediately and not by itself.

1:06:36We've, we've got to stop the insider trading. We've got to stop, uh, anything that allows elected officials to profit from their position, period, across the board. Um, but I, I do completely agree. It's going to take, it's going to take a viable third. I mean, there's just, it's, it feels like there's so much truth right now being unveiled. Nothing's happening yet. I mean, even when I'm around my phone, I mean, I've always thought this, You know what I mean? I mean, I, I, me and a couple of guys, um, developed a whole application, uh, that we're unveiling later on, you know, for, for, for phone privacy and security.

1:07:15So that's how fucking paranoid I am about it, that I went out and developed my own damn app because of it. And it's going to be called Glacier and, uh, probably be out by the time the show's out. But I don't even, I don't even, every time I say something that I'm not proud of or that I may regret if it hits the public and I'm around my phone, I just look, I'm like, yep, that's going to get unveiled at some point in time. I'm being serious. I agree. Because I think truth is coming to the light. Now, it just depends on what we're going to do with it when we get it. Well, and that's the scary part.

1:07:55What if all the truth comes out and nothing changes? Nobody does anything. Then we deserve what we've got. And that's a sad thing to accept, isn't it? I read in the Wall Street Journal that there have never been more Americans leaving the United States as there is right now. Really? This time, applying for dual citizenship, coming up with contingency plans, because there is no confidence in our institutions. there's no confidence in our people there's no confidence in the country how fucking sad is that I've spent years arguing that Memphis Tennessee is worth saving I never thought I'd be having to have that conversation about this country the people are worth saving 100 100 people are always worth saving government ain't worth a right now no it hasn't been for a while probably since jfk yeah and who killed you think that's weird who killed him he killed jfk yeah i mean all the signs are pointing you know i mean tulsi had the jfk files in her house and they raided her supposedly they raider she came out and said they didn't Raider and quit then the next week she resigns it's all fake and gay what's real there's your next t-shirt I'd get that's the problem I'm gonna get canceled just for saying that but it's true it's true you know I just I open my phone half the time and I'm blown away at how stupid the majority of people seem to be.

1:09:48And then I have to ask myself, is this real? Are they actually this stupid? Or is this another influence campaign being funded by, you know? And that's, honestly, I think that's what a lot of this ridiculous stuff we see popping up online is. People that already came out, they're paying$70 ,000 a post, supposedly. Holy shit. Be pro-Israel, right? $7 ,000 a post. Did you know that? I did not know that. And that's our money, I'm sure, that we gave them. I don't know where it comes from. I don't know who got paid. Who knows? That could be some AI fake campaign. I don't think so. Pretty much everybody I know knows about the$7 ,000 a post.

1:10:33But it's bad. It's bad. I mean, we got to throw the tweet up of AIPAC celebrating the fact that they bought an election in Kentucky. Yeah, you do need to throw that out. But he's bragging about buying an election in Kentucky. Yeah. Not even hiding it.

1:11:03And this is how liberty dies. And what are we going to do?

1:11:14I hate to feel so nihilistic about it, but... I mean, there's all kinds of crazy shit happening. Just our stance on the world, how fast it's changing. I mean, I just read something the other day about the Canadian pipeline that's now selling the majority of its oil to China to diversify from the United States because we fucking slapped a 25 % tariff on them. That worked out well. Oh, yeah. Oh, Trump also came out and said we might have to repay all of these tariffs. Really? Yeah. I missed that one. Yeah. God.

1:11:58So what is this island now? So what? What is this island now? It appears to be Anne Rodriguez's hangout. That's what it appears to be to me. Where she still gets to hogtie people and throw them in a dungeon. that's uh that's what it feels like on paper billionaire stephen deckhoff bought it and is trying to rebrand it and wants to build a resort there uh if if that's true i'm a little concerned about his choice of uh island manager um but i have a hard time believing that that's true you know i really do time will tell time will tell

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1:15:16Ryan Dalton. Sean Ryan. Welcome to the show, man. Glad to be here, man. Glad to have you. It's quite the adventure you guys have been on here in the past couple months. It's been a wild ride, man. Yeah, no shit. Well, let me give you an introduction here. Ryan Dalton, you began your career as a human rights lawyer focused on combating child sex trafficking and dismantling trafficking networks. You co-founded Rescue Forensics, an intelligence platform that helped law enforcement recover more than 150 child victims. You later served as a special agent with the U.S. Department of State's Diplomatic Security Service and worked in crisis response and intelligence operations, supporting federal law enforcement and national security partners.

1:16:03Today, you are the co-founder of Closed Horizon, a platform focused on restoring integrity to information in an era defined by deception. Most recently, you were one of the men alongside Ben Owen during the Little St. James excursion tied to the Epstein Isn't Dead campaign. Ryan Dalton, welcome to the show. Glad to be here. So you were on the excursion with Ben. Yeah. So before we get into why you think Epstein is still alive, What prompted this? Yeah, we met Ben and realized that we felt similarly about this. Felt similarly that there's something real weird going on here that we couldn't quite figure out.

1:16:59So we decided we're going to go down to the island after having this conversation and feeling that we are on the same page about, you know, Epstein might have left us all alive. To bring attention back to that island and back to this issue, One of the concerns that we had is that it seems to be there's distractions that are just one after another. There's the Iran war and there's UFO files. And all of these distractions are pulling attention away from an issue that I think points to a stranglehold on our democracy and our institutions deeper than Epstein. And it deserves continued attention. What do you think it is?

1:17:39I think that the Epstein files reveal a child sex trafficking operation that was used as leverage over our politicians by a larger power structure that continues to have a stranglehold on our institutions. A blackmail operation. A blackmail operation. Effective for a long time. Yeah, really effective because it predates the internet. This is a blackmail operation that predates the internet, that now with the internet, people put the pieces together. And it's a lot harder to hide it. And I think that blackmail operation for a very long time was very successful. I think it still is. Look at what's going on.

1:18:35nobody's talking nobody's getting arrested the only names that I'm aware of that have been unveiled unredacted is the victims, correct? they haven't revealed any abusers names have they? am I wrong on that? no, there's some that have forced this I think that Massey on the house floor insisted on revealing one of the co-conspirators. There's a document where there were some co-conspirators who were listed that he came forward and said, here's one of Africa, which one it was, maybe Les Wexner. But aside from that, there's not much that the U.S. has done. Now, foreign countries have some real courage where they're investigating this and really putting some effort into the investigation.

1:19:29See, I thought this, because King Charles, right? Prince Andrew. Prince Andrew, excuse me. Prince Andrew. But he's off the hook already, isn't he? Oh, I don't know the latest status of his. He got arrested. Oh, he did? For... It wasn't a child abuse crime, I don't believe. I believe it was something like conduct unbecoming of his official diplomatic role that he was in at the time. But it was an arrest. It's more than we got here. Fair point. Fair point. Well, before we get into it, are you familiar with Polymarket? I am. Here's the context. The market,$2.27 million plus in live trading volume on Polymarket, resolves yes only if irrefutable proof is publicly revealed that Epstein is still alive before December 31st, 2026.

1:20:27The DOJ has released 3 million plus pages, 2 ,000 videos, and 180 ,000 images. Wonder what those images are of. From its Epstein investigation, official records from the NYC medical examiner, DOJ, OIG, and FBI established his 2019 death as suicide by hanging the crowd gives survival confirmation a five percent chance we want proof of life we want proof of life yeah i mean there's been a number of things that i dug up but they've all been debunked like the ai photos you know there was some maniac florida man posing as jeffrey fc and going down the highway that's been debunked i got him right here i'll read him off real quick.

1:21:17Claim one. A post on X claiming Israel faked his death gained over 6 million views. It featured a photo perpetratively showing Epstein alive in Tel Aviv, sporting white hair and a shaggy beard. A second doctor image garnered another 2.4 million views. The verdict, both images were confirmed AI generated or digitally altered. Reverse image searches traced the originals to unrelated photos, one dated May of 2020, after Epstein's 2019 death. Claim number two, active Fortnite account. A Fortnite profile named Littlest Jeff One appeared active after Epstein's death, sparking speculation. The account went private shortly after the speculation spread, which many took as suspicious confirmation.

1:22:13Verdict, Fortnite confirmed that an existing account owner simply changed their username to LittlestJeff1 after the DOJ Epstein files were released. Epstein's email address had no record in the Fortnite system. Claim number three, Palm Beach Pete lookalike, March of 2026. A video of a Florida man driving on I-95 went viral with social media users claiming the driver was Epstein. and that he was still alive. The verdict, the man nicknamed Palm Beach Pete publicly broke his silence, confirming he is simply a private citizen who resembles Epstein. He described the situation is phenomenal. Florida man.

1:23:01Florida man at it again. Claim number four. This is the last one. Maxwell replaced by lookalike February, 2026. After Maxwell's deposition in February 26, social media users pointed out to perceived discrepancies in her facial features and voice, suggesting a lookalike had been swapped in. Verdict. CBS News compared photos of Maxwell from 2015, 2016, 2020, and 2026 and identified consistent features across all, including eyebrow shape, ear structure, lip shape, and hair silhouette. voice differences were attributed to differing deposition contexts. You got anything that's not those? Lots of things that aren't those.

1:23:48All right. Yeah. And, you know, I agree with these. These are, I'm not convinced Palm Beach P is anything but a psyop. It's just too on the nose. Yeah. Yeah. It just is way too on the nose. I don't have any comment on Dwayne. I haven't really studied that at all. What was the first one? Oh, that was the AI photos. Oh, yeah. So, we put together an evidence timeline that walks the reader through the evidence, and it has to meet a threshold for us, more likely than not, 51 % to 49%. So, what we've done is, in our disclaimer about how to read this evidence, is we've excluded anything that could be AI-related.

1:24:32Anything that's post-AI era, we're not even looking at it. And the reason for that is how easy it is to fabricate evidence that can go viral. It's not persuasive. So what we've done is taken the information from the files themselves and look at the story the files tell. The files, court documents, depositions, OIG investigations. What story does the official release of the files tell the people who dig into this? And so anything outside of those bounds, we may supplement with a news article that confirms a statement, but we source all of this very carefully, where we have the claim and then the sources, and the claim and then the sources on each of these cards as we walk the reader down this, because we're making a really big claim.

1:25:25You can't do this halfway. There's no half measures on this one. Yeah. If you're making the claim that Epstein left that cell alive and you pull on that thread, it implicates larger power structures in our government and a deep level of corruption. Now, I just have one question. Why would anybody want him alive? What would the point of keeping him alive be? It can only bring risk. Yeah. So say that you are Jeffrey Epstein, and you have a multi-decade blackmail operation going on. He was collecting blackmail when you had to put it on a floppy drive. He's been doing this for a long time. And we know this because the properties that he owned were wired up with cameras.

1:26:19This is pretty well established, right? So he has this large corpus of video and photographic evidence on all the people that he could want to get these on. Celebrities, politicians, scientists. and he's a master of getting leverage. This appears to be a leverage campaign. So if he has this much leverage, he's playing a dangerous game, in that if it goes sideways on him, he has to make sure that he has his own insurance policy. And what better insurance policy than retention of all of this evidence as your dead man switch? No ship. So you don't think this evidence has been shipped out to a bigger entity?

1:27:07I don't know what happened to the evidence, but I think it would be negligent of him to not have enough of it that he could say, hey, listen, is this going to be a problem? Am I going to have to let this out? And there's enough people that I think would be persuaded that they don't want that to happen. Mm-hmm. That's my best guess to want to keep him alive. What I do know is the government and co-conspirators were highly, highly motivated to have a dead defendant, or at least the appearance of a dead defendant. And the reason for that is criminal discovery. So he's arrested for a sex trafficking offense, and is going through the criminal proceedings process.

1:27:51As part of that is discovery where the plaintiff and the defendant surface all the evidence. It all comes out. Now, this is pre-release of the files. So what's going to come out? Flight logs, phone numbers, associates, financial records. Everything that could defend or support the government's position is going to have to inevitably come out, and the government and the co-conspirators have no control over this. He could not have gone to trial. that would have been a disaster, because all the evidence that come out would implicate people all the way up and down the government and probably foreign governments.

1:28:34Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. He couldn't have gone to trial, and so do you know what stops criminal proceedings? The death of the defendant. But if you have a defendant who has an enormous body of evidence available to blackmail people with and get leverage on them, well, then what's your option? the only remaining option is to publicly have a dead defendant and privately make sure there's no loose ends and extract him. And this is what the files, the evidence supports in the files. Wow. What do you got for us? So the first thing I think is to understand really who this guy was as best we possibly can. And we know some things that are just very much in the public sector.

1:29:24about him, so he's this alleged billionaire financial savant. He manages money for people allegedly that have a lot of money. But then there are clues in the files that are... And he says he works for the Rothschilds, right? Yeah. That's in the files. Is it in the files? He emailed Peter Thiel saying that. So that was an email to Peter Thiel saying... That's what I thought. As you know, I believe were his words, I work for the Rothschilds. So he's trying to seemingly get an introduction for some kind of tech play, it looks like. He's making the introduction by doing a little bit of name dropping.

1:30:04Like, hey, there's some money on the other end of this if we're going to talk. Seems to be the way the email reads. So he has connections that are larger, and here's the best piece of evidence we have for this. So I've got show and tell for you. Perfect. This... was discovered in the search warrant in New York for one of his properties. And what you're looking at is an Austrian passport with his photo, a younger Epstein, and the alias of Robert Marius. this passport appears to be a fraudulent passport. So not a fake one. A fake passport is when you have a passport that's not a valid travel document, right?

1:30:58Like, I make it at home. A valid passport can be fraudulent under someone else's name. This appears to be valid because he has entry and exit stamps. It's like the shit the intel agencies do. This is our first connection. Valid passport with a pseudoname. Yeah. So this is the first connection where we have evidence of this potentially connecting to an intel agency. Because who can issue valid passports under a different name? Well, there's Consular who could do it, right, under legitimate circumstances. And you could make the argument that, oh, well, maybe he got a fast one on Consular of Austria and he submitted this information and they issued it.

1:31:40but under what motivation? Who's motivating him to get this passport? The other argument is, is that it was furnished to him and had an operational purpose. In either case, we know for sure this passport was recovered from his safe with entry and exit stamps, with his face and an alias. Wow. Where did you get this? The files. This is in the files. So everything I'm going to show you today, we've pulled from the files or public reporting that can be fact-checked. All of this can be fact-checked. Again, this goes back to no half measures. We cannot make a claim like this without substantial evidence.

1:32:25Huge risk, reputational risk, goes into making a claim that he left that cell alive. But there's only three options. either he died from suicide in the cell he was murdered or he left the cell alive and of the three the one with the fewest problems is that he left the cell alive wow

1:32:50put this up on screen what else do we got what is i mean where were the stamps to uh so i think It's on our website. I think it's Saudi Arabia, France, and one more. But they're documented entry and exit stamps. You can see the countries. I can't recall the third. What's your website? What's the address? Yeah, it's epsteinisntdead.org. And we'd lay out this evidence. Epsteinisntdead.org. Yeah. Because I was going through this. initially out of just pure personal interest. I'm a criminal investigator and lawyer by my background. And I also care deeply about child trafficking. Through my career, this has been a theme of my career.

1:33:41And I have a daughter, and so it hits a little harder for me. Mm-hmm. And I'm looking at the files, and I use large language models to surface the things that are in there that are maybe a little bit harder to find manually. And I'm putting together a timeline because that's how a criminal investigator typically thinks is in terms of a timeline. And I start looking at this information and I think, no way, no way am I arriving at this conclusion. I don't like this conclusion. It's uncomfortable for me. I'm not happy about it. One of the seductive things about conspiracies is how entertaining they are for many people.

1:34:26This is not something that I find particularly fun, but if the evidence continually supports a conclusion, we have to stare at that conclusion in its face and see if it's true. And so I sent this to probably a hundred people, and I was like, guys, fact check me on this. Sanity check me on all this. Am I crazy? And I sent people and they were like, bro, you put all this together? Yeah, this is something here. And I think that we make a compelling case for it. And if he left that cell alive, it demands it. the country, Congress, the DOJ, to reckon with that and take it seriously. I think we know the DOJ and Congress is definitely not going to take it seriously.

1:35:20That's what I'm afraid of, too. And maybe not this administration, maybe not this batch of Congress people, but the American people aren't going to let this one go. You don't think so? I don't think so. They can't. Because think about what it means if we give up on this one. if we give up on a child trafficker brought kids to an island to serve them to the world's elite killed them ate them and used that as leverage to get a stranglehold on our democracy if we let that go just give it all up all of it what does any of it matter anymore if we let this one go none of it matters anymore. And I think the American people intuitively feel this.

1:36:08I think they intuitively feel something's wrong, but they can't quite put words on it. And that's what we tried to do. It's really, here's what you feel is wrong. Here's what it is. And so we lay it out and make the case for him leaving that cell alive being the option that has the fewest problems of the three.

1:36:37What else you got? So follow the money.

1:36:45Before he dies, two days before he dies, he executes a new will and trust that moves$577 million into a new legal vehicle that I would structure this way if I was about to fake my death. So he meets with his lawyers up to 12 hours a day while he's in prison. And the outcome of this is the creation of the 1953 trust where all of his assets that are known are moved into this trust. And this accomplishes two things at the same time. The first thing it does is it makes it very difficult to ascertain the beneficiaries of this money. So trust can be created in such a way that the beneficiaries of that are not accessible to the public.

1:37:39And so it would allow him to access this money and these assets in a roundabout way through shell companies and through having estate planning that supports the complexity needed to access this money later. The second thing it does is it prevents any of his assets from going through probate, which would also make this public in the probate process. He restructures his entire estate two days before he dies. Now, is this complex estate planning for someone who's like, you know what, I'm about to end my life and I feel like I need to put everything into the right place at the right time for all my money?

1:38:25Or is it estate planning for someone who wants to get access to those assets after they're out of jail? And I think that the way that I read it is someone who's suicidal, who really is about to kill themselves. And I don't believe he was like that because he He was so obsessed with immortality. He was so obsessed with health and all kinds of sort of fringe things about continuing his life onward. And he was probably like all billionaires and sex traffickers have some ego. And he's already got a sweetheart deal in 2007. So there's some hubris there. I can't reconcile that with someone creating a will and trust who's about to kill themselves.

1:39:21It doesn't sit right. It seems more likely that that complex estate planning is in preparation for accessing those assets after he's out. I mean, a lot of people also think that he was given a choice. Hmm. Meaning you kill yourself or we're gonna do it kind of thing.

1:39:51If he died in that cell,

1:39:59it doesn't explain his escape plan. You seen this? No. There's an escape plan? Yeah. So you're a SEAL? Get the fuck out of here. You tell me if this is an evasion plan. I'm going to hand you this. I'm doing this out of order a little bit. But you're all right. You went through SEER, right? I didn't. Oh, no? No. Well, you're familiar. I evaded out of that one. You're evading us. So my partner Alex, smart guy, and he looked at this. I called it an escape plan, and he rightly corrected me. He said, no, man, this is an evasion plan. So I'm going to give you context for this document that you're holding.

1:40:48This is the smoking gun for me. This is the single piece of evidence that gives me the confidence to have this conversation with you right now. you're looking at a two notes there's two pages here of legal paper that were found in his cell after his alleged death most people are not talking about this at all very little conversation is happening about these documents and it is astonishing to me this is an escape plan so So keep in mind what just happened. He just restructured his estate and has set himself up to have access after he leaves. And then two days later, he allegedly dies, and this is recovered from his cell.

1:41:38So what you're looking at, some of it's illegible. And so I'm not going to speculate about the things that I can't read because his handwriting was atrocious. It was super inconsiderate of him to have terrible handwriting and make me have to figure this out later on. But I'm going to draw attention to some of the things here that really stand out. And the first is, do you see in the middle, top of the page, where red notice is underlined multiple times? A red notice is an Interpol notice that goes out to worldwide policing agencies for a fugitive. So why is a guy about to kill himself concerned about red notices?

1:42:23This is again on legal paper, so I don't know this for sure, but this was potentially furnished to him by his lawyers who carry legal paper. And not the note as it exists now, but that's where he got the paper. So were these conversations happening with the people that were there providing legal counsel to him? I don't know. But it seems to be, based on the time frame, they're pretty close to each other for when these would have been written. The next thing that really jumps out at the top, top right, next to that dollar sign, it says what I believe to be blackmail.

1:43:07See the dollar sign there in the top right? Yeah. Next to it, that word looks like blackmail to me.

1:43:17Yeah. So what's happening? If he gets out, he's thinking about where to get money. If he's gotten blackmail on people, that's pretty easy. Like, hey, man, you need to just wire me 10 grand, 100 grand, a million dollars, whatever leverage he has to get access to money because you've got to figure out how to live while you're out. And maybe he doesn't know what he has access to. I can't read the word above that. I don't know if it says bounty.

1:43:49So I'm not going to speculate further. But beneath it, it definitely says guards. Guards are a problem. If you want to get out of a federal prison, you've got to deal with the guards. We can talk about the guards in a little bit. But he's for sure worried about the guards. And then there's some things in between. but I can contextualize the things in between based on the drawing that you see there in the middle right. What does that look like to you? Are you talking about this? This right here. Yeah, well, down here. Yeah. Looks like some sort of a compound. Yeah, it looks to me like an airport from overhead.

1:44:35And it looks like an airport because of the word Brad. So Bradley International Airport is a small regional airport that's two hours away from the Metropolitan Correctional Center. So the nearest small airport. And if he's going to fly out of there, it can't be through LaGuardia or JFK for obvious reasons. It says jet right here too. Right. Looks like it says Nigeria above that. That's right. So above it, and we know this is an airport because it says Brad, Bradley International Airport would be a great airport to go to if you don't want to deal with customs and you want to have access to the services expected of someone who has a lot of money.

1:45:15So private hangars, private runways, it has these things. And above it, it says, I can't tell what the middle word is. So it either says jet versus prop or jet US prop. So that could either be, this is a jet or it's a prop plane. What kind of vehicle are we in here? Or it could be a jet U.S. property. Is he flying out on a U.S. plane? Because that would have obvious risks carried with it if he's escaping on a U.S.-controlled aircraft in tail number.

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1:47:40What do you think, Sean? We're high.

1:47:57And then where's it going? Who was in office when he committed suicide? It was Trump in office then, right? Oh, weird. That's so weird. Yeah. Who would have thought? Yeah. I think it goes all the way to the top. So where does he go? Well, we don't know. We can only speculate. But we can see that there's intent here based on these locations that are written. Above Jett versus Prop. Now I'm kind of walking you back up the page. It says Nigeria. So, they'll probably have an okay location to hide, I guess. No one's going to look for Epstein in Africa. Would Qatar and Saudi Arabia be locations? I mean, they're very friendly.

1:48:42Access to money, associates there, for sure, we know that. So, the queue and the S.A. next to Nigeria could indicate other locations that he's interested in. and then to the left of that it says gangsters see that to the left of the queue in the essay yeah

1:49:07I don't know what that means but I would imagine if you're someone like him you're willing to make a lot of friends with a lot of people not all of them good people who can get you the things that you need gangsters are people who can be fixers for you and not ask questions so that's a logical person to ask or group of people and then there's a lot of other things on here that I just don't know what to mean and it would be complete this looks like a US map yeah up here in the middle left it does it looks like a US map someone said a cow looks like a cow too it does look like a cow what do you think this is the redacted portion I have no idea beneath it though it says computer and then something illegible and then question mark and then VI which I'm assuming means Virgin Islands Palm Beach oh that's right Palm Beach the PB it's gotta be Palm Beach So computer, Palm Beach, question marks, VI, Virgin Island.

1:50:24And above that, it says G. That's what he called Galane, is G. So he's thinking about Galane and computer or multiple computers in Palm Beach and Virgin Islands. And I'd be pretty worried about computers if I were him too.

1:50:43It also, there's one piece on here

1:50:49it looks like LSR up near the travel part. My best guess on that, and I'm not willing to guess on many of these if I don't feel confident, but LSR seems to be last stop routes. So my understanding is in aviation, this is a term indicating a airfield that is the last on a connecting journey that to get to that airfield would mean it's relatively remote compared to other airfields and likely has less immigrations and customs restrictions. That's where I'd want to go if I'm trying to evade.

1:51:35What do you think is under LSN? looks like it says muslim maybe it does say muslim maybe asia under that yeah i can't make out that third character above it it says muslim and so i would imagine that muslim nations would be potentially easy to hide in it find a remote area and hole up somewhere you're not going to be looked for in some of them. That's entirely speculation, but it does say Muslim pretty clearly. Why would he have written this all down? I thought that too. Why write all this down and then leave it in the cell? Why leave your escape plan in your cell? And then I remembered, oh, Epstein and his associates were talking over Gmail about raping and eating kids.

1:52:38His OPSEC was bad. He didn't give a damn about any of his OPSEC, about any of this over Gmail. And being in the government, we both know you can't talk about anything over anything or someone's going to suck up those comms. He has decades of not caring. And he leaves this behind. someone's gonna sanitize this cell. He's got people that do this for him. My best guess is, is there's some hubris here, some pride, and that whoever's redacting these things didn't know what they were looking at, or they did know what they were looking at, and our institutions are not homogenous, meaning that some federal agent or lawyer looked at this, redacted only what was absolutely required, and allowed us to piece this together.

1:53:27I hope that's the case, because these people that are performing these redactions took the oath that you and I did to support and defend the Constitution against enemies foreign and domestic. Yeah.

1:53:41Even when they come from inside the house. Everybody's just doing their job, right? Yeah. That's the excuse. The excuse. It's always the excuse. I'm just doing my job. Fuck you. Yeah. And they have to reckon with that. And there's some that have resigned. And I admire that courage, because here's the sinister nature of this whole scheme. You can't whistleblow on this and bring out the actual best evidence, because it's illegal, one, for classified, two, for child sexual abuse material. If you transmit that to a reporter, you've just earned yourself a strict liability offense, or they don't care what your intent was.

1:54:25You're going to jail. Yeah. Yeah, the old two-tier justice system. Real quick on this one, let me show you page two. This is the real zinger. Right. So the top of page two is complaining about something. I don't know. He had a bad day. He got locked into the shower or something. I think that's absolutely hilarious. I imagine him sitting in that cell and just, dear diary, I had a bad day. Like, he's pretty upset. You flip it over. This second from the top line.

1:54:57says jail out equals 10. And he allegedly died in that cell on August 10th, 2019. He had foreknowledge of the day that he's getting out. So what you're left with, and this is the smoking gun, is you have an escape plan written by a person who knows they're going to be a fugitive about where the nearest airport is, what considerations to avoid, how to get money and foreknowledge of the day that they're going to leave that cell. This is an evasion plan.

1:55:37Wow. You might be right.

1:55:45Someone who's going to kill themselves doesn't write this down.

1:55:58Shit.

1:56:16Do you think there's any chance this could be a sign? Yeah, there's layers of psyops here, top to bottom. This could be a psyop, for sure. What I can't reconcile this, and I've thought about this, is this disinformation. I guess that's always possible. But when you take the totality of it all, this piece into the larger picture that it paints, it makes the most sense that he left that cell alive because of the other mistakes that were made in this cover-up and the post-prison signals of life. And each of these pieces by themselves don't have equal weight. It's up to the reader to make decisions about which ones weigh the most for them.

1:57:09but you can put mathematical modeling on these

1:57:15and apply objective standards to them and this has been done and we're going to put up this mathematical model on the website for people who have phds and statistics to evaluate but what we've done and this is my uh good friend nick mckinley who runs a non-profit called Deliver Fund, who does amazing work in the counter-trafficking space. Former CIA guy, PJ. Hero by all accounts. Rescued many kids from the horrors of that industry. I'm aware of him. Yeah. He did a mathematical model on this. And he looked at this and he said the smoking gun for him was the statistical odds of this being possible.

1:57:56And he took the 14 largest anomalies.

1:58:02You can group those into cameras, guards, and protocols. For the cameras, we know, again, all this can be fact checked. Some of them just straight up went down, just like, not were working at all. Some of them did work, but then the footage is just missing. We just don't know what happened to it. Epstein's cellmate lawyers tried to get this footage and it's just file not found. Of the ones that were working, we have a missing minute of footage. Gone.

1:58:45Just not there. I know, man. I know. I think you're out of here. And then you have, of the footage that we got, the supposedly raw footage, Wired showed that Wired magazine showed that Adobe Premiere Pro edited that raw footage. Take those anomalies and compound them with the guards who were every 30 minutes supposed to check on him and they didn't. They fell asleep, they were browsing the internet, shopping online. And then the protocol of him not having a roommate despite trying to commit suicide allegedly and despite the Department of Psychology at the prison who sends out an email to 70 people, including the warden, saying that this guy needs to have a roommate and nothing was done.

1:59:34And so now you have a guy in jail who has no guards watching him, no roommate, cameras go down, and is in the prime position for extraction. The odds of this, all of these failures happening concurrently, based on this model that we're going to allow people to scrutinize as much as they want and argue with us about it is um one let's see i get this right one in five times ten to the 30th power those numbers are meaningless to me unless i can put them into an actual something that makes sense in my head and it would be the equivalent of taking a quarter and flipping heads 102 times in a row.

2:00:27Shit. Not happening. And so this moves us away from conjecture and conspiracy forums and into mathematical understanding of the odds of this happening. It is effectively impossible where a mathematician would look at this and say, you've made an assumption wrong or there's an error in your reasoning because if this is what the odds show, This is impossible. He was left in that cell in the prime position for extraction.

2:01:18Why would anybody else want him alive? What do you mean? Well, let's say he was working for the Rothschilds like he says he was. Do you think they would want him alive?

2:01:38why the fuck did they even arrest him to begin with from the get-go it was a cleanup job it happened twice so he wasn't probably worried about it it happened once before in palm beach and he got a sweetheart deal

2:01:57which is a whole nother rabbit trail that's just astonishing to me But I mean, a guy this connected, right? You know what I mean? This connected. Yeah. Why would they even, how would he even get booked to jail anyways? Why would they even have a case on him? Don't you think somebody would have pulled him off? I think our DOJ and FBI are not homogenous. I think the leverage starts at the top, but there are men and women who took that oath and take it seriously in our organizations. I know, but I'm just saying, you know as well as I do. Lots of investigations, domestic, overseas. I mean, lots of investigations have been stopped for whatever reason.

2:02:37Hey, we're pulling you off this. Yeah. Why wouldn't somebody just get pulled off? It certainly would have been very high profile, right? So it's going to go through layers of review. And I think it's going to depend on where this octopus of stranglehold and all of its legs have wrapped itself around someone who could make that call.

2:03:05It's not a perfect cover-up. They've made mistakes. They're humans. They're not all-powerful. and I refuse to think that the corruption runs complete through our institutions. Maybe one day it will, but I don't think it does right now. What do you mean by that? Meaning that if the corruption were complete, then everyone on our institutions would be Team Epstein. You don't feel like they are? I feel at the top it looks that way. That's kind of what I mean. To me, that means complete. Based on leadership. Yeah, if the leadership in every one of our institutions is all beating the same drum, nothing's going to get accomplished.

2:03:52We're seeing that, right? Yeah. You can only do so much, and then when you get yanked off, I'm just doing my job. Yeah. You know? There are clues for this that are interesting to me. For example, Kash Patel sat in this chair and said that he was going to clean it all up. Oh, I burned that chair. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. Yeah. But I believed him, and I remarked to my wife at the time, like, that's the politician I believe in. That's awesome. I want that. I was mourned before I had him on the show. He was completely full of shit. Yeah. A very good friend of mine, and he was fucking right.

2:04:33Yeah. but you have an optimist in you probably that didn't want to believe that and i've got that one in me too the america that i grew up in and when i look at that flag and what i feel about that flag i can't let that go and him sitting here and watching that conversation about what he really means i wonder if he really meant it or if when he sat on the house floor and he said there's nothing in those Epstein files and perjured himself.

2:05:05Why? Where's the leverage? Where does it start and how deep does it go? And I just can't believe it goes as deep as the federal agents who took the oath and who go home to their families at night and are not in the spotlight and run their investigations. Some of them maybe. I can't imagine it's all of them. I mean, I don't think it's the lower level guys, probably not even the mid-tier, probably not even all the way to the top tier. But I think the top tier fucking knows. Yeah, that's my read on it, too. I know those guys, man. I was a federal agent. I got tons of friends that are feds. They're good people.

2:05:48But some of them are looking at this information and saying, yeah, I'll redact that. I'll redact that. I'll redact that. And at some point, they're complicit in this cover-up. Because it is a cover-up. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

2:06:11What are you hoping to gain by doing this?

2:06:18We started Closed Horizon out of the belief that America's in an epistemological crisis. Epistemology being the study of how you know the things that you know. What is truth? We're lied to constantly. Constantly. There's a new psyop every day. We deserve better psyops. There's a new one every day. Deception, lies coming from the White House, our institutions, corruption, AIPAC buying our government seats. Like what happened to Massey? Everything's a fucking lie, man. It's all a lie. It's all lies. Everything's everything. I mean, even, I just did this episode with this guy, Pete Blaber, Delta Colonel.

2:07:11And we went over a whole slew of lies of just Naval Special Warfare's propping people up like heroes and passing out awards. And I mean, I'm pretty sure you know about this shit. And that's, yes, even though people that I know died in those events and were killed and they were fighting for the country, I mean, that is so, I hate to say it like this, but that is so far, it's just not as significant as what we're talking about right now. when you're talking about people eating babies and raping kids and yeah blackmail and are basically our government is run by a shadow government yeah i mean it's it's it's but i mean we lie we lie about that yeah did you see the email crazy that was sent to galane asking if she wants to be on on the Shadow 9-11 Commission.

2:08:11No, I didn't see that. She gets an email. You can dig it up in the files. We'll put it up on screen right now. To be on the Shadow 9-11 Commission. And here's what's interesting about the files. You want to get into corruption? There is a canyon of missing files between 99 and 2002. Nothing came out in those years. Well, what happened in those years? You have both 9-11 and the dot-com crash. Major events that shaped the next decades of history. What's being hidden there?

2:08:54What do you think's being hidden? I think that what we've been told about some of those events is really uncomfortable and not true. and it would create a existential crisis for a generation of Americans who fought, bled, and died overseas because they looked at those towers being hit and they said, this cannot stand in my country. I'm going to serve my country honorably and I'm going to go fight over there because they saw what happened there. And I don't think it was what it was portrayed to be. And I think that canyon of files, if it ever comes out, will show this. Do you think the files even still exist?

2:09:43That's a good question.

2:09:47I hope so.

2:09:52I hope they do. You gonna watch the big UFC event tonight at the White House?

2:10:01the big fight? Yeah. July 4th? That's what we're all worried about, right? The fucking UFC fight. Your bread and circus. Here, take your bread and circus. Shit really is biblical, man. It is. It's a war of good and evil. And I knew this was a war of good and evil when I saw the darkest thing in the files. I used to think that this was a criminal organization that was very sophisticated. And it is. But it's deeper than that. this is a good and evil issue. There was an email. I've got to be careful.

2:10:40There was an email between Epstein and an associate, and it's redacted who this associate is, where Epstein recounts how a girl told him that she believed while in her bed that God protected her and that Jesus was watching over her. And then he says, whoops.

2:11:11And the person replies, you should dress up like him, being Jesus, the next time you see her.

2:11:23We don't wrestle against flesh and blood. This is deeper. There's a war of good and evil, of truth, of secret keepers and truth seekers.

2:11:41And I think that if we don't get it under control, we're a generation away from losing the empire. Because we care about it, but you ask the next generation coming up, you ask Gen Z, and a lot of them don't believe all the bullshit, which is cool. they don't believe what the legacy news media is telling them they're like man all that's just lies the problem is you extend that worldview into belief about our institutions all of it's corrupt all of it's lies I don't believe in any of it anymore then you get permission to do this forever without consequence yeah

2:12:20the people who grew up like we did are the last line against this and it is more urgent than people realize. Because once you get into the next generation, we give up on this, it's over.

2:12:39I know. I know.

2:12:47But these people make mistakes. This isn't perfect. The people that have done this conspiracy and I'm okay using that word because this is where the evidence takes me. People have called me a conspiracy theorist in the lawsuit against us for trespassing and I don't give a damn about trespassing. Not one damn about it. I gotta correct Ben on two things. I love Ben, but I am an actively barred lawyer. I'm sorry, I'm a barred lawyer with an inactive license and he was very generous to me and just said that if they got caught that they would have to worry about trespassing charge. I don't give a shit about a trespassing charge.

2:13:27We are going to figure out whatever it takes to get to the truth on this matter. And they make mistakes. Here's another for you.

2:13:40So,

2:13:45let me give you

2:13:50these two documents. Oh, hold on. Yeah, there's three documents, which we'll cover real quickly. But I think you're going to find this really interesting, John. So, the first one is this one labeled page six at the top. Here. This is a page from the medical examiner's autopsy of Jeffrey Epstein. and the top line, the first full sentence, says the prostate is slightly and diffusely enlarged with mark enlargement of the vera montanum. I don't know what that is. So, this is her observation.

2:14:42Medical examiner, official autopsy for Jeffrey Epstein, that he does have a prostate. This next line, this is just kind of an aside. It's not relevant to the evidence here. It's just really embarrassing. It says the testes are unremarkable. I don't know that I'd want that in my autopsy.

2:15:03So she makes this position that there are, there is a prostate. This next document is a deposition. And he's asked the question. he's asked a series of hypothetical questions you can have high testosterone and still have a need for a viagra because you don't have a prostate, right? and he says, correct seemingly indicating on face value that he doesn't have a prostate now there's controversy over this because people make the argument that the you in that sentence is the royal you meaning sort of a general question about someone's medical condition okay fair enough but the next document is a lab core record and he has a series of lab core records and and other medical records as well as intake forms that began as early as i could find as 2012 maybe, where he's having problems with his prostate, his testes, there's some kind of urological problem that he's having.

2:16:15And so he's visiting a urologist. And at the bottom of this, in highlighted, it says, serum PSA should decrease and remain at undetectable levels after radical prostatectomy, which is the removal of the prostate. So in his deposition, he remarks that it'd be correct. This is what to expect if you don't have a prostate. In his LabCorp record, it seems to be a document indicating either pre-surgery or follow-on, or at least some kind of analysis for what the condition of his prostate would be like, or his PSA in your analysis would be if he didn't have a prostate. But the official finding in the autopsy is he had a prostate.

2:17:05And based on all of the other records that look at his medical history and things that his associates sent him, it appears he most likely had prostate cancer. And I know that because his associates would send him medical journal articles about the state of the art of prostate cancer, vaccines, cures. These were, there were 132 records if you search prostate cancer in the files. He also had a health coach that he seemingly donated a lot of money to, who was sending him articles about, or referencing an article for him to go look at, about being recovered from stage four prostate cancer. So these three files in and of themselves are not entirely determinative about the condition of the prostate, but it's a valid open question about whether he didn't have a prostate and the office of the chief medical examiner didn't track that.

2:18:08And it wasn't his body on the table. Wow.

2:18:19Detractors of this theory make the comment that this bottom paragraph is boilerplate language on a LabCorp record. Fair enough, but he's still being evaluated for what his level should look like following a radical prostatectomy. And prostate cancer is occurring many times throughout the files. So, I'm not going to say that it's completely determinative, but it's a very open, valid question about if they made a mistake here. What we do know is that he had a body double of some kind. This is... Say that again? We do know that the FBI's own memo showed that they pushed out a body for the media to see that was covered in boxes and blankets to divert them away from following it as it moved away from the Metropolitan Correctional Center.

2:19:15We know that for sure. 100%. There's a memo showing that they pulled this scheme to trick the media, basically, when it came out. But weirdly, the New York Post was there to take photos. And so what they did is, as the gurney came out, took photos of this alleged body on the gurney. From the FBI memo, they say it was boxes and sheets. The New York Post took photos of somebody. And we know that because we have those photos. And what people went back and did is they compared the photos of him on the gurney to his mug shots and compared the ear and the bridge of the nose. And if you look at the cartilage of a dead person, it's not going to change that much.

2:20:10Like, their face is going to change the way that the body carries fluids. They'd look different. But your cartilage doesn't change right after you die. So you can see for yourself the difference between even just the nose. One of them is him dead, the New York Post photos, and the other is him alive, the mugshot. The bridge of the nose is curved on the dead body, and it's more straight on the mugshot. The ear, the ear is interesting because you can identify a body based on the ears. We have unique shapes of our ears, kind of like a fingerprint in a way.

2:21:03And the version I'm showing is in black and white. In color, this is more evident, but I didn't have a color printer. No one has printers anymore. Pulsed you in my job. Yeah. You could see the comparison of the ears. It's not the same ear. So who was on that gurney?

2:21:21Because based on this, unless something really crazy happened to his face after he died, which I guess is possible, that's not his face.

2:21:33Wow.

2:21:39Yeah, that is completely different. It's a different guy.

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2:23:21So you put all this together and you look at it and you think, am I crazy? the whole thing makes you think you're crazy it does it makes you think you're from the beginning if you vocalize what you're thinking

2:23:39the institutions the administration will all label you crazy yeah low iq CBS News conspiracy theorist covered an article on us. Say that again. CBS News did an article on us, legacy media institution. I think the reporters that we talked to were good people. The thing at once that hit an editor desk that said, oh, this has all been debunked. None of this has been debunked. None of it is lazy. If you can't contend with the facts, you smear me and Ben. You paint us this crazy conspiracy theorist. you do lawfare, sue us for civil trespass, anything, anything, but contend with the evidence itself.

2:24:28And I think this is part of the playbook. And the enemy is more sophisticated than we realize. I fell for some of their tricks, hook, line, and sinker. And the most clever one is the controversy that began right after he died. There was an autopsy that was performed, and the conclusion of the autopsy says, this is death by hanging. Official narrative. At the same time, his brother Mark Epstein hires a forensic examiner to look at the results of the autopsy. The forensic examiner says, well, hold up. This little bone in the neck called the hyoid bone, if that breaks, that's more consistent with strangulation.

2:25:18And now this controversy begins between he killed himself or he was murdered from the jump. You think that was manufactured as well? Yeah. If I'm wanting to take my kids to dinner, as their dad, I say, Hey, do you guys want to go out for steak or sushi? And you know what they do? They bicker like nine-year-olds. Normal nine-year-old stuff. Steak, sushi, steak, sushi. I don't care. I love both. They're both great. But I've controlled the narrative. And what they did is brilliant. They controlled the narrative on this because they knew the official statement would be rejected by people who don't trust our institutions.

2:26:05Immediately would be rejected. The number one global pedophile dies by suicide as the first suicide in 21 years, the Metropolitan Correctional Center. First suicide in 21 years. They know damn well that people are going to say, no way, we're not that dumb. So what happened? Well, the forensic examiner says, oh, this was suicide by hanging, and I fell for this hook, line, and sinker. It's like, clearly he was murdered. Clearly. It's a false choice.

2:26:42It's a false choice. The third option. It's entirely valid. Like with my kids, there's a lot of other options. All their favorites. Chipotle, Chick-fil-A, whatever. Tons of options. but I narrowed it down to two, gave them two, and made them fight over which two. So you've seen this in a near decade of memes now about Epstein didn't kill himself. Yeah, he didn't. He left the cell alive. That's the third option, and they controlled the narrative from day one. Brilliant move.

2:27:15Shit.

2:27:21How much more do you have to look through?

2:27:25There are some post-life signals that are interesting. You brought up the Fortnite one. I am not convinced that the official Fortnite position is anything but part of the cover-up. I could be wrong. I'm not going to hold on to that one too tight. Maybe. He had another gaming account that went live called War Thunder under the email that he had. I don't know anything about War Thunder, but the email he had, jeevacation at gmail.com, I believe it is. there's receipts and things like that. There's activity on that email afterwards. That's very interesting. If everyone thinks you're dead, what do you care if you use the same email?

2:28:04Your files aren't coming out. No one has access to your Gmail. So those are intriguing. And then the most intriguing for me is there's a YouTuber named Rusty Shackelford. And he flew a drone over Little St. James. And he got like two hours of footage. 4K, it looks like. Great resolution. And as he flies around, he brings the drone over roughly the middle of the island-ish. And there's some side-by-sides sitting there. And the drone is positioned above these side-by-sides. And there's someone in one of the side-by-sides in the driver's seat. He leans forward and looks up at the drone and then goes back in that side-by-side.

2:28:55And that person looked like an older gentleman with gray hair

2:29:02that met my threshold of this should be looked at. This is post-death. And let me tell you something about that island because I've been to it. If you wanted to hide somewhere, these intelligence people will hide in plain sight. It wouldn't be a bad option, especially if you have to clean up some loose ends with your computers or technical infrastructure. No one's gonna think you're alive. And even if I came forward and I said, he's alive and he's on that island, people would laugh at me. No way, man, no way. So it's not an unsafe place, particularly because you can stay there with extreme privacy.

2:29:40And the only way that you wouldn't have privacy is if someone has an aerial shot of you, which seems really unlikely, but this guy did. He flew this drone over and you can watch this footage on Rumble. It's been taken down all over the internet, but it's still up on Rumble as of today. Who knows if it'll still be up. But I'm sure people have preserved it. You can look and make your own decision. This is post-death and pre-AI, which meets our criteria. If it's after he died and before the introduction of large language models, which can edit images. All right, we'll put that in. So, you take all of these now in totality, from the passport, the conditions in the jail cell, the trust, the escape plan, the condition of the body when he is wheeled out on the gurney, and walk your way all the way down, and then post-life signals that carry some weight.

2:30:42the option with the fewest problems of the three is that he left that cell alive and he left that cell alive we want proof of life

2:30:56do you think you'll ever find out we're gonna try and here's how we're gonna do it and are doing it so alex my co-founder and i work for rewards for justice. It's the federal government's rewards program for information about the who's who in the national security world of bad guys. It's a very effective program. They put out five million dollars for Bob Badguy. Say that you took a different path in life and you're Sean Ryan and you run a terrorist network and everyone that's in your staff here is part of your terrorist network And then you wake up one day and you see on the news that there's$5 million reward for information about the location of Sean Ryan.

2:31:42What are you worried about?

2:31:50A lot of things. Yeah. You're worried about everyone that knows your eye color, your plate numbers, where you bed down. It creates incentives for betrayal within your network. It also restricts your freedom of movement and closes your horizons. You can't travel anymore, can't be on planes, can't be jet setting, can't be driving around past marketplaces going to see your associate friends. It makes the enemy adjust their TTPs. We don't have$5 million, but what we do have is a lot of people that are mad about this. and we started the reward pool and put in 40 ,000 of our own money and people are contributing to this reward pool.

2:32:34If we're wrong, and I'm willing to be wrong, in fact, I would prefer to be wrong, I take no satisfaction in being right about this. If we're wrong, every dollar in that reward pool goes to Ben's organization We Fight Monsters to Help People in Trafficking and Addiction. Every dollar. If we're wrong, and we can't prove it. But if we're right, that reward pool will grow and grow year over year as a long-term commitment to justice and truth. And incentivize people to come forward. And if people have proof of life, we want direct observational evidence, not open source. I mean, Ben is doing the open source side.

2:33:16My human collection side wants direct observational evidence. I was his driver. I was his gardener. I was his plastic surgeon. those people because his associates aren't going to care say we get it to a million dollars say some crazy person watching this who has a ton of money says i believe in this and puts in 10 million dollars his associates don't care about that much money they don't care but you know who would care are all of the logistical parts of his life that have people that require, they're required to hide someone. Gardeners, security, drivers, maids, plastic surgeons. People that know, and this is not a fringe belief that he's alive among his people in the Virgin Islands and people that went to high school with him, survivors of his crimes.

2:34:16So you build a reward pool big enough. it becomes expensive to stay silent.

2:34:26Where do people go for that? They can go to epsteinisntdead.org, read the evidence, make your own conclusion. If you believe in this and you think you'll let that cell alive, consider the reward pool. The other thing that they can do is go to closedhorizon.com where we've created a marketplace for truth. We are tired of being lied to about everything and constant deception. Tired of it. There are questions that matter and are dangerous questions. If I'm right, this is a dangerous question. Closed Horizon allows anyone to create a campaign and fund it like GoFundMe and pay sources for information.

2:35:18Whatever your question is. There's other questions out there that are dangerous questions. Who really killed Charlie Kirk? It's a dangerous question. They don't have to be big questions. They can be little ones too. Who really killed JFK? Who killed JFK? These are big ones. Where'd those files go? I mean, we were told they were going to release those files, right? Yeah. He campaigned on that, right? Trump did?

2:35:46If my memory is correct, yes, he did. Why is everything a lie?

2:35:56This is what I mean by an epistemological crisis. We have now come accustomed to being lied to about everything. Yeah. I know.

2:36:16Well, I hope you get to the bottom of this. That's some pretty compelling evidence that you've got there. We're not willing to give up on it. I can't, man. I can't give up on this one. I can't.

2:36:38What's next for you guys?

2:36:45The other way that people can help here is we're calling for an Epstein Truth Commission. And if any members of Congress have the courage to reach out to us, we believe that there should be an Epstein Truth Commission, like there was a 9-11 Truth Commission, or 9-11 Commission, and a church committee after the JFK assassination. Now, there's problems with those, sure. But the FBI has fully abdicated its duty to investigate this. Completely. There's no reason that Ann Rodriguez, based on my reading, shouldn't be charged under the Mann Act and the sex trafficking statute for procuring people and bringing them to the islands for illegal sexual activity.

2:37:34That's a low-hanging fruit one. That's the island manager, not a billionaire. That's an easy one. That's the sacrificial lamb brought people to that island for the purpose of illegal sexual activity, harbored and transported for child victims for commercial sex. Something of value was exchanged for a sex act. So there's no FBI and DOJ who's willing to do this in this administration. We need a long-term commitment to justice from our federal government. I'm still trying to figure out how somebody gets arrested for sex trafficking when there's... Who do you traffic to? To nobody, Sean. Delane and Epstein didn't traffic them to anybody.

2:38:24Believe that and go back to Brad and Circus. I can't wait for that UFC fight. Let's go, baby. I bet it's going to be a real good one. Yeah.

2:38:35The stakes are high. I think people have to wake up to that.

2:38:44Man. Well, Ryan, I really appreciate what you're doing, man. Thanks for coming in. I have something for you. Oh, shit. I got... Ben gave you the We Fight Monsters flag. This is the closed horizon flag that we brought to the island. So, you got two. Oh, man. Thank you. That's our logo is a reticle in the north compass, a compass with the north indicated. Love it. Truth. Got to find truth. I have another gift for you. My understanding is, as you were reading the Stoics, is that right? Mm-hmm. Who's your favorite? Marcus Aurelius. Marcus Aurelius. The OG Stoic. That's right. My interview yesterday was about this.

2:39:44Yeah? Yeah. He's made a generational impact on the lives of men. Be like the promontory upon which the waves continually crash while they're allowed to sleep at your feet. That's how a man should be. And you're one of those men. And this is a Roman denarius with the depiction of Marcus Aurelius on it. And I give that to you as a fellow truth seeker. You have the courage to say things here that other people won't say. It was given to me by a truth seeker. I pass it to you as a truth seeker that is saying things that other people are afraid to say won't say that matter and maybe one day you'll pass it along to another truth seeker and you'll have a long legacy of truth seekers who have owned that coin I will thank you man Ryan I wish you the best of luck and if you come across anything else let me know.

2:40:54I'd love to have you and Ben and anybody else back that's in on this. We'd love to come back. All right, brother. God bless. Thanks, Sean. Cheers.

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