#343 Jimmy Watson - John McAfee's Bodyguard Reveals the Dead Man's Switch

29:12Yep. We'll get to that point. Yeah, yeah.

29:18So your dad yanks you out of school. Yeah, my dad took me to school, and then my mom tricked me. My mom said, I've got a plan. I'm going to send Jimmy to the summer camp at 14 years old in Austin, Texas, and we're going to just tell him it's a summer camp. But it was actually like a home. They called it the Texas Bible Institute, And it was basically a place where these 40-year-olds and 30-year-old troubled men in and out of prison would come and stay and work, like out of a work camp. And then the inner city kids would be bused in from Houston at this big Bible college all summer and all year.

30:02And so they tricked me into going, Jimmy, you want to go to a summer camp? I go, yeah. I go there after a week goes by. I've been cleaning toilets. toilets, I mean, hardcore toilets. It's so miserable, Sean. I called my mom on the, no cell phones. I called her on the pay phone. And I was like, mom, it's, and it was hot. It's already hot in Austin, Texas. It's brutal in a laundromat, you know, the laundry's going off. I said, mom, I said, it's been a week. You told me it's a week. Can you come get me? She goes, Jimmy, you're going to go ahead and stay there now for a while. Okay. I got to go. And I'm like, Mom, what?

30:39And this black kid came in and was like, what's up? Why are you honking? Let's go. And it just started banging out right there. Fight, you know, right off the bat. Didn't even hang up the phone. I end up cleaning about 100 toilets. I always say 100 toilets. But OK, let's say it was 50. Let's say it was 80, 100, whatever. About 100 toilets a day, if I remember right. Holy cow. Four times a day. Four times a day? Yeah, because they were busing in these hundreds of hundreds of, from 9th Ward, Houston, these little kids, troubled kids. And I mean, they're just shitting on the walls and doing crazy.

31:22God only knows what. And so I got it down to 45 seconds of toilet. So I could clean a whole toilet, I mean, from the top to the bottom in 45 seconds. And I'm talking flush with the cloth going down in the toilet in 45 seconds. And I mean, that thing you could eat off that sucker, man. Wow. I had two big bottles. I was an expert at cleaning toilets. And I was also running hard at night with a pack on. I'm like a buck 40, man. I was a really small guy. I was six foot, buck 40. And no athleticism. The coach, my mom and dad begged the coach, high school, or the junior high coach to play me one time.

32:02He said, ma 'am, I would get kicked out of this school district if I played your son one time on this field. So I'm training hard. I get staph infection and boils all over my body. So it's kind of like a Job, a picture of Job in the Bible, right, where I'm suffering at such a young age in this camp. For a year and a half at least, my mom and dad kept me there. And I got to the point where I was feverish and I had boils, still got scars today on my arm and stuff from these boils. They would get real heavy and infected. And I even had one on the back of my head. And I really liked this girl. I saw this girl there.

32:37She was working there, too. She was pretty. And she was sitting behind me. And the one on the back of my head kind of went off, exploded, whatever, on the back. And that was over after that. You ain't never getting a date, dog. You ain't a clothes shop. How old were you when you went to this place? 14 years old. 14 years old. I turned 15 there. I had my birthday there. And then 16 came around. I was still there, I think. And then it was time to go to the Marine Corps. To Marine Corps. Well, I wanted to be a SEAL, but it was so far out there. Remember, I had no education, really. No real formal education.

33:16So, I mean, I'm just like, I'm winging it. I mean, I got a 17 on the ASVAB at 16 years old, a 1-7. You can't get any worse than that on an ASVAB. So it was really hurtful because I wanted to be a SEAL so bad. I had read these books or Green Beret or something, but my mind kind of shifted to being a SEAL for some reason at some point. But it started out as Green Beret. My dad's saying the Green Beret. Well, when I turned 16, I was able to get the best day of my life, I think, was able to get my GED. So I got my GD, and then my parents signed me, and I was the youngest recruit for probably the last, I mean, maybe 10, 20 years before that.

34:01You know, in Vietnam, they had younger guys. But, I mean, I'm 16, barely turned 17. Wow. I didn't even know that was possible. Yeah. With your parents' signature, you can go in at 17. Wow. So you're in Marine Corps boot camp at 17 years old. At 17 years old. What did your parents think? Were they happy that you were doing that? You were so proud of me, Sean. Because, I mean, if you're a kid, sometimes people say, well, Jimmy, don't you think it's not good for little Johnny to go to the Marine Corps or the military right now with all this stuff going on with Israel? Sean, what are you talking about?

34:35Like if your kid is not going anywhere in life, like the banditos once told me, if you ain't got nothing else in this life going on, you better put your kid somewhere or he's a dead man anyways in this day and age. You know, but if they've got something going on, don't go to the military. That's my thing. What year was this? What year did you join? 99. 99? I signed in 98, and I joined 99. Right on. Right on. So how was boot camp? How was Marine Corps base? It was straight up hazing. It was just like full metal jacket. I couldn't believe it. Did you like it? I hated it. Sean, it was terrible. I remember literally thinking in my head, Sean, I was like, well, at least they can't put their hands on you.

35:19and right when I thought that and they're screaming, I've never heard guys scream like this. They were like, like it's in veins sticking out and there are some of them, they're like, like a frog, you know, because they're ruining their vocal cords and I remember thinking, well, one, there's no way they can keep this tempo up and number two, there's no way they can put their hands on you so therefore I can make it through anything. Right when I thought that, I swear to you, the Joel instructor turned around Staff Sergeant McNulty, we called him McNutty. He turned around and he goes, who's the youngest recruit in here?

35:56And I go, just stupidly, just automatic response, I go, I am, because I knew I was. I said, I am Drilling Sergeant Staff Sergeant McNulty. And he came over there and slugged me in my, like right here. The sternum. Yeah, sternum. And I buckled over and I remember just, there was nothing left in my lungs. So I was like, and I just go, and he goes, and they kept that pace up, and they put their hands on us all the time. And that was two big mistakes I made early on in life. What did you go in to do? 0311, infantry, marine. Nice. Oh, yeah. I picked away, you know? 0311. And remember, there's no war, but I know I'm going to war in my mind.

36:43I've got it all planned out. I even told my dad. He goes, Jimmy, wars are not fought. People have to remember, you know, 20 years ago, whatever, people didn't think we were going to war again. Yeah, Desert Storm and some other stuff. Anyways, my first deployment's on the USS Tarawa, old ship. And big old LHA carrier with, you know, carriers like 3 ,000 troops. All you do is, yeah, all you do is stand in line in Chow Hall line all day. and my first deployment was to USS when the USS Cole got bombed. Oh, no kidding. Yeah, we happened to be going right by the Yemen Harbor, Gulf of Aden. Literally right when it happened, we were 20 miles away, and we just turned our entire force, our MU.

37:32I think it was 15, maybe 35, I can't remember, but we turned our MU, and we got on the little black rubber boats. We thought we were special, you know, with M16s and stuff. And because I was in a platoon, they called the Dirty Dozen. And they had a stay attached to us, the snipers. But we did circles around the – that was my first experience with death, the smell of death, war, like anything like that. I remember seeing the hole in the side of the USS Cole. And I thought, we're going to war over this. I thought, damn, no shit. You were there, huh? I was there. Wow. Recovered the bodies. You recovered the bodies.

38:13The divers recovered the bodies, and we would put them into... They would either put the parts in the... And I say this respectfully, put the parts in the body bag, and then we would pick it up, the body bag, put it into the boat, and then carry it to shore. And freezer trucks were there. And when they opened that door to the freezer trucks, man, it was so bad. And there wasn't even any bodies in it. I don't understand that, but we stood at attention, and we would carry this, these body bags would just kind of droop to the center because it was nothing but pieces of people, these 17 sailors. Sheesh.

38:49And I thought, Sean, I thought, man, this is terrible. It was horrible. Something I've never experienced in my life at such a young age is my first real experience with it, and I thought, we're going to go to war over this. Something bad is going to happen with this. Damn. How long were you there for? How long did that... Maybe 30 days. 30 days? Or 40 days, because the Blue Marlin, they called in the Blue Marlin to come in. It was a massive ship, and it had to sink down and go underneath the USS Cole and come back up. And the Blue Marlin towed it away.

39:30Interesting. Where do you go from here? Keep doing the deployment. Go on from there. I can't remember where. We went all over the place. And then we came back. And now this is about nine months. Remember, less than maybe a year happens from the coal attack to 9-11. And I always thought 9-11 happened because because we didn't do anything about the USS Cole. That's what my reasoning was, and still kind of whatever. It doesn't really matter, I guess. But I came back and immediately was sent on another deployment. And usually you get a break, but they just put me right back on another ship, back-to-back deployments.

40:17So we went out. And as we were out, we were right near Australia, and we got off the boat. We were partying and the shore police started running past us and grabbing Marines, drunk Marines and said, get back to the ship. Get back to the ship. Yelling, we've just been attacked. And that's when 9-11 happened. And so, yeah. And so we were literally, that's us. We were literally the first Marines, first Marine division that were deployed to Pakistan first to secure an airfield that was secret at the time. And that was so that the TACPs, that was so the pararescue could stage there for the bombings that would ensue in Afghanistan.

41:06And then we picked up shop after 10 days of there and deployed straight into Camp Rhino, south of Kandahar from the USS Peleliu. And so I was maybe the seventh guy on the ground. I always like to say that. Wow. As a Marine. But the Rangers beat us there. Damn, how did that feel? It was ice cold, you know? Were you excited about it? Crazy excited. I was so excited, Sean, because I knew I was meant for something, you know? And to see that fulfilled, even if I could be mentally wrong about that, it happened. So coincidence or not, I knew I was in the right place, you know? but I think I heard one of your interviews recently where you were like, you know, the SEALs wasn't what I thought it was going to be.

41:56And that's exactly what I felt. I found myself just, I was lacking and I wanted real combat, but my deployment to Afghanistan was so boring. I think we killed a massive herd of camels that were coming into our wire at night. We just destroyed the camels. We did long-range patrols, just little to nothing, nothingness. And so I get out of the Marine Corps. I can't believe my experience. I'm like, I thought I was going to go to war. I thought we were going to be there like World War III. We got relieved. I got sent home after seven months. So here I am back at Camp Porno, and I'm like, hell no at Camp Porno.

42:35It means, I think it's oven in Spanish. It's a hell, it's a terrible place. It's 1st Marine Division. The Frozen Chosen were stationed there. That was like our older brothers. And so I get out, Sean. I'm done with the Marine Corps. I've got to go to the SEALs or something. I've got to press forward and find that battle. That was still on your head, huh? Yeah, but I was real disappointed because what happened, Sean, with me, and I think this is what happens to some veterans, is I found myself lying to people about my deployment. People would say, Jimmy, you were the first over there to Afghanistan.

43:11to him. And you went and fought for a country. How many people did you kill? And I'd be like, dude, I don't want to talk about it. It was crazy, man. I found myself, I mean, here I am, what, a 19-year-old kid, and people are talking about how I'm a hero for going over there and spending time, and you must have saw crazy stuff, action. And I found myself saying, you know what, I saw action over there. It was really, but it was just this longing for self-being, to validate myself as a man. Like, I wanted validation. And so I wasn't outright saying I killed, I got confirmed kills, but I was literally like, yeah, bro, we were getting attacked all the time.

43:52It was crazy. And I left at that. Like, I don't want to talk about it type thing. And that's how, like, desperate it was, you know? Yeah. Damn. So you got out. Got out. Yeah, got out. Sean got out and ended up. My goal is to do the SEALs, but you know how things start to linger around. You start to put it off. I had a lot of doubts about myself still. I mean, I had a lot of doubts about myself. I had no formal schooling. I failed the SEAL test now twice, by the way. You took the SEAL test when you were in? I took the SEAL test before the Marines. Okay. Right out of, you remember the terrible place, the cleaning toilets?

44:37So I went and took the SEAL test, and I got a 17 on my ASVAB. I took the PST, which I bombed, you know, the run and all that. Not even close. And then the ASVAB was a terrible score. So I'd already taken that, and now I'm out of the Marines, and I'm in my dad's living room on the farm, the old West Texas farm. And I turn on his TV, and it's like a nightmare for me. I see my junior Marines, 3-1, 3rd Battalion, 1st Marines, the Thundering 3rd, just stomping through Fallujah, the big push, Operation Phantom Fury. Oh, man. And here it is. Those were my guys. And I see them fighting in Fallujah. I wanted to die.

45:30So this was what, 2003? Yeah, 2003 and 2004. Right into three, up into, yep. And so my dad comes in, and he catches me watching this, and I'm just paralyzed, and I'm drinking Pisano out of a big jug. I'm drinking his wine. I'm talking about going on Prozac and seeing a psychologist. And my dad's like, what the hell are you talking about? He said, put down my bottle of wine. And I put it down. And he says, Prozac, psychologist? He goes, Jimmy, Jimmy, what are you talking about? He goes, you don't need Prozac. You don't need alcohol. You don't need a psychologist. He goes, you need to go find your war.

46:08And so I really took that to my heart, Sean. What did that mean? Actual war? I don't know. I think it just meant go find your war. Like, go find what gives you that energy and juice, man, because this life is going to be over real soon. Here I'm 45, Sean, you know. I was that 17-year-old kid not too long ago. And to me, Sean, it meant go find a word. You better get your ass into action. So I'm rambunctious still. I have a lot of doubts about myself. So I go, OK, you're right, Dad. I'm going all in. I'm going to go to the SEALs. I take the test again, the ASVAB. And I'm just sweating it, Sean. I got test anxiety.

46:55I mean, the last time I made a, I think I took it twice before 17 to 38. Now, this time it was a 48, but you could get one point wavered to 49. And so she says, oh, you get one point wavered to 49, but I needed a 50. And I said there, Sean, and I begged this old lady that had marked my test up. She hand graded it. I begged her to give me that point. I said, please, I'll do anything, you know. and she was like, I'm sorry, son, I can't. And so, man, I was pretty devastated over that. And so I was walking out of the room there, and this guy, it looked like a shadow with medals upon his chest, the silver wings, the beret.

47:41I guess he was a green beret, but a recruiter or something. But he's standing there, big jacked dude. And I walked by, I had my head down like this, and he grabbed me like that, like, like, stop me. And I said, what man? And he goes, Hey, he goes, today's not your day, but maybe tomorrow is. I said, what does that, I said, what does that mean? He said, man, maybe the seals is not for you now, but maybe you go to a place called Blackwater and then you go to the seals later on. He goes, you know what I'm talking about? I said, Blackwater. I said, what is that? Is that like the Rhodesian SAS? Cause I had read about these different rogue mercenary stuff and things.

48:24But I had heard about Blackwater just barely since 2004. And he goes, yeah, just go apply to Blackwater. They're doing crazy stuff right now, man. And I go, okay, how do I apply? He said, go get on Google or whatever. I can't remember how. I put my resume in, just this bullet point list of a bunch of bullshit, you know? but I get accepted to go to the vetting process in Blackwater, Moyog, North Carolina. Eric Prince is there. I mean, it's brand new. It's not a Target factory still, but it's pretty dang new. What did you think of that place? Did you go there? I went there. I mean, obviously. I went to the vetting process.

49:07I went through it. It was hard, brother. What program was this? Was this the WIPPS program? WIPS 1 and WIPS 2. I went through WIPS 1 and WIPS 2. Yeah. What's the difference? WIPS 2 is not like some test. You just come back. I was in Iraq when they made us go through WIPS 2. I don't even know what that stands for anymore. But you come back, you get qualified WIPS 2 classes. But the first one, the first one, WIPS 1, was the vetting course for Blackwater. And that one, I started maybe with 30 guys, and we ended with maybe 10. It was very challenging. I heard your interview about the CIA interview, your vetting process, and you were talking about the shooting course and how difficult it was.

50:01I don't think ours was as hard as yours, but it sounded just like that, how hard it was. It was very difficult. Interesting. So this is the State Department contract. Diplomatic, yep. Department of State. Diplomatic Mission. Blackwater. So how old were you when you went to that? I was, were you even 21 yet? Oh, yeah. You were? I was 23. 23. 23. Yeah, because Nisar was 27. Yeah, four years. How long were you doing that for? Four years. So I graduated the vetting process. I was in class 15. Oh, wow, you were in there early. Yeah. Yeah. Our instructors were the Karzai detail. Okay. And Brimmer. Brimmer was still with mom, but Brimmer and Karzai.

50:56And so our guys were Green Berets and SEALs and stuff, instructors. And so you talk about a chip on their shoulders. They looked at us like nothing. The very first day, the guy came in. They called him the angel of death because he would just come in and read your name off at the end of the night. And you just got the van and gone like you were done. And so it was really pressure. I was all in. I'd already failed the sealed thing. But I had matured a lot at that point and made it through the course. And they asked me at graduation, they asked me, when do you want to go to Iraq? And I said, now.

51:33And so they flew me out like literally the next day from Virginia. And I went from Virginia to Germany, Frankfurt, Frankfurt to Jordan. I'm on Jordan. And that's where my Blackwater time really kicks off. Crazy. What do you mean crazy? Well, in Jordan, I walk in and there's this guy at the bar and he's got tattoos everywhere. where he's got cut here around his neck and his scissors, like tattooed on his neck. And he looks like maybe a former biker or something, but he was a Marine. And he was there for that on that contract as well, the DOS contract. And I meet him. I said, you here for Blackwater?

52:16He's like, yeah. You knew? I said, yeah. He was new too. So we're both new. So we swim buddied up at the bar there, drank all night. But the next day, we get on a little, we get on an airplane, a Twin La Casa. I think it's called a Twin La Casa 80, something like that. Two big diesel, total prop engines, not some big plane or anything. And I told this story before, and people were like, dude, there's no way you were in Blackwater. We didn't insert like that. I'm like, yeah, because you weren't in the early years. You know, I'll tell you the Wild Wild West here, dog, you know. And so me and him, maybe another guy got on there with our bags, and they flew, I mean, like 1 ,000 feet over the desert from Jordan.

52:59It was really low. You could look out the window, and you're just flying across the desert, like fast. And then right when we got up to Baghdad, we went straight up in the air, like as high as that sucker could go before it almost stalled out. This guy was a white ponytail pilot, probably a Vietnam pilot, And we went straight up as high as you can go until the bird almost stalled out. And then he went straight down like a corkscrew right over the airfield. I remember the airfield just going like this. And he went like, do you? And I guess some kind of anti-surface-to-air missile defense maneuvers just to drop right down on it.

53:38But as we were coming down, I remember looking outside. And Baghdad, you saw these black plumes of smoke coming up. It kind of looked like hell in a way. But for me, it was just beautiful. It was a wonderful time because I felt invigorated. My life was—I found my war. So I get off the airplane with this guy with a tattoo on his neck, and I always say that you had a 50-50 chance in Blackwater, a 50 % survival rate, because the reason why I say that is I got off the plane with this guy, and there's this rogue ragtag team. Some of the trucks weren't even armored, Sean, still. They had the metal cages that would shift and lock you in there.

54:22You could burn alive. That happened. And so this rogue team picks us up. We go down Route Irish Death Road, the six miles to the man camp. And they open the door, and he gets out first, the guy with the tattoo on the neck. And we're in the man camp. And I get out right after him. We're brand new guys. And a guy says, you. And he points at the guy, Bryce, his name, tattoo on the neck. He goes, you, you're going to Mosul. And he looked at me. He goes, you're staying here. And so I stayed. Two days later, I hear a guy talk about a team that just got blown to smithereens in Mosul. And two days, two days later, and I'm listening, and I'm like, what the heck?

55:10And one of them was like, didn't you come in with the guy with the tattoo on his neck? And I said, yeah. They said, you know, the whole team's dead. They said, but him, the guy with the tattoo on his neck, the new guy, because he was the trunk monkey, they put him right in the back and just told him to lay down and shut up. He was blown out the back, and a piece of shrapnel went right here in his neck. He had to get a tracheotomy flown out to Germany, but he lived. I still talk to him. You still talk to him? Yeah, because when I told the story, I had lost contact with him. You reached out. Yeah, he goes, bro.

55:42Somebody heard it. Damn, that's crazy how that happens, isn't it? Yeah. We've had a bunch of that kind of stuff happen. I bet you've been all kinds of reunion connections doing this. Oh, yeah. All kinds of people, you know, like yourself, telling their story and then someone will reach us. Right. Like I was, Chris Van Zandt was one. I think it was the, I can't remember, or somebody that was on the ship that was artillering for it. It happens all the time. It's cool to see it happen. I was the pilot on that op. I was this. It's really cool to see those connections happen. Yeah, and it's one good thing about social media.

56:29You can reconnect with people. So what are you thinking? I mean, you get upset because you didn't see any combat as a Marine, and then you go to this, and two days later, we're getting killed. Yeah, keep in mind. I'm completely brainwashed. Yeah. I'm completely disillusioned. Like, you know, you know, people are, people on social media will say, you know, you're a, you're a bootlicker. It's like, yeah, bro. Like you try, try actually doing it and being over there and doing what I did, you know? So I'm, what I'm thinking, Sean, is I'm thinking, dude, this is the most exciting time of my life. Like, I can't even imagine this mindset now that I have a kid and that I've, that I've grown out of this.

57:05But at the time I was all in and most people were pro going into Iraq because we had nuclear bombs. So I'm all in, but I can't help but notice the amount of money that has to fuel this war train. Remember the concrete walls? You could pave 10 highways in America with the concrete that they poured around the green zone. The tanks, just to keep them alive, and which the insurgents were defeating and destroying. So here I am. I start running with my new Blackwater team in the same position, the old trunk monkey. They say, lay down, shut up, just observe and survive. And so we go out the first day out of the wire.

57:53And I remember the driver was just had this ragtag red beard and just long hair. And he's smoking a cigarette with the window down, and a freaking round just smashed center mass into his window into his armor glass, and he just shattered, boom, just shattered the front window. And the guy never flinched and just kept smoking, and nobody said a word. It was kind of like, whoa, like that, like, whoa. And I'm going, what do you mean, whoa, like what? We just got a Freaking blasted, dog, like in the face. And literally never said a word about it. The debrief, it was like, yeah, that was kind of crazy, smoking still.

58:35And I'm just like, this is going to be rough, you know? Jeez. So I had to grow up faster. So what was the, I mean, I know what the mission was. Of course. For the audience, what was the purpose? Well, people were always like, oh, it's a mercenary. Well, okay, you could call it whatever you want, but it's not really, because I did that later on in life. It's more of a, it's under the Department of State. You got a black diplomatic passport. They had to justify you being under this contract for the Department of State. So they had to make us official first. So they gave us the rank of GS-16. They gave us black diplomatic passports.

59:09They made us official, hominus dominus. Now you are this guy who just, you're basically trading in your military uniform for civilian clothes and a beard. and now you have machine guns running around all crazy, belt-fed machine guns. But the mission was to basically take diplomatic members from the Department of State, whether that's Condoleezza Rice, Dick Cheney, the undersecretaries, whoever that be, onto their little coffee meetings, to be honest. Downtown Baghdad, Iraq, risk an entire team just so that they can go have a little photo op or meet and greet. That's basically what it was. to all the ministries.

59:51And they were doing crazy stuff, Sean, when I first showed up. I mean, stuff that would blow people's mind. Like what? Like the very first, like my very first week or two in my first team, they were like, hey, we need two volunteers. And of course, I'm like, always, always, always volunteer for everything. I want to see the action. And they're like, tomorrow, you're going to meet with the little birds. You're going to get on a little bird with your partner, your swim buddy. they're going to fly you downtown Baghdad, drop you off on a ministry, one of the ministries, by ourselves, beat another guy, two Blackwater guys.

1:00:26And then they leave. They just drop you off, leave. And you're going to secure it, find the exits, find the entries and the exits, secure it, radio us in. And then we're going to come in with the team. So you're like an advanced party. First in, last out type of thing. And I remember I was like, the team leader said, hey, make sure you take these grenades. We weren't supposed to have grenades in Blackwater, but we had it all. He said, take these grenades with you in this bag. He goes, take some extra water, take this map. He said, and bro, don't get caught. Don't get caught alive. He said, shoot yourself, dog.

1:01:04Like, don't, don't, don't go out like that. You know what I mean? And I was like, yeah, I got you. I got you. So he was basically saying, you know, don't, don't get caught alive if they, if they get you. What are you thinking about that? I was, I thought about it long and hard. And I was like, no matter what happens, Sean, if, if I get surrounded downtown Baghdad, me and this other guy, this Blackwater guy, and, and we get stormed, which eventually happened to two Aegis guys and their heads were found floating in the Tigris river. Um, if I get stormed, I'm going to, I'm never going to, I'm never going to shoot my pistol much.

1:01:39I may shoot like maybe like five times, pop, pop, pop, pop, and then turn it on myself. So I make sure that I have a round for myself. That was my plan. Cause I didn't want to go out like that. You know, I didn't want to be caught and, and, and tortured, you know. Um, but they, but they were doing these missions like this as an advance, me and another guy all day long, sometimes sitting in the ministry of wool by ourselves until eventually, you remember Aegis? Yeah. I mean, I don't know much about it. Two guys, a British contracting company, two guys from there were kidnapped doing a similar thing.

1:02:18I did not know that. And their heads were found about two months later in the Tigris. Two months later? Yeah. It was a long time later. I was there with my girlfriend watching the news, and they said they found those guys' heads in the river. So who knows what happened to him? Horrible stuff. Damn. Damn. Horrible stuff. And so I started, Sean, doing all the positions I could. I volunteered for everything. Some of the hardest positions is driving, being a tactical driver, being just, you know. And I didn't like that too much because you had to hit cars. And they had these massive bumpers welded onto the front of these trucks and these Hummers and these SUVs.

1:03:01And they were all, they looked like an abstract art with colors all over the bumpers from just smashing into cars, blue, red, whatever white car. And that bumper would open up a car like a can opener. If like a van, because, you know, there are terrible drivers there. You could die for a small traffic infraction in Iraq. I always was amazed by that. You know, Kiev, Kiev, you keep going forward. You know, our rules of engagement were extremely loose. What were they? Do you remember them? Oh, yeah. I remember very, very specifically. It was if I feel like my life is in danger or my team or the equipment, daily force is authorized.

1:03:49No questions. No warning shots were allowed. That's it. It was the early days, man. That was early days. I literally would write down, I killed two military-aged men today on whatever route we were on, on the back of an MRE card and turn it in. They'd say, Jimmy, we need your report. I said, I'm tired. I don't want to go up there to the embassy. They said, well, write it down on the back of this MRE card. They tore off a piece, and I literally wrote it down. I killed two military-aged men in a white Corolla today.

1:04:26Jeez. And it was happening all the time because you couldn't risk getting vaporized. Like, people don't understand. A V-bid going off, I can't remember how many thousand-pound that is, maybe 2 ,000-pound bomb. I can't remember. A V-bid? Yeah, or 500. I don't think it matters. I think it's just a vehicle-borne IED. Yeah, exactly. But they always have a certain amount of weight to them with the explosion. and man, that sucker gets 300 feet from you or closer, it's over. So what do you do? You know? So you turn into a, so our mentality was basically like, no matter what, you're coming home, no matter what.

1:05:07And it's me or them. And you saw guys buckle up, and they would get fired. How many, I mean, how long were you there before you started seeing people kill people? Was it immediate? Yeah, it was immediate. It was almost immediate. Well, you know, my buddy, he got injured, and then maybe my second time out, I was in the trunk monkey spot. Oh, man, you just reminded me of this. I haven't thought of this in years. I was in the trunk monkey spot with my squat automatic weapons, and we rounded this corner, and we were in the hate truck. It's the back truck, you know, like a shark in the back. And these guys were D-ringed in and facing me, left and right door gunner.

1:06:01And I think his name was Paul. He was an ex-seal, and he was a really great guy. But we ran around this corner, right into the venue, right as we were going into the venue. You don't want anything to happen right at the venue gate. It's like a nightmare. And right as we were turning in, he opened that door, and he leaned out and just let that saw just rip off like that. And I saw a taxi just slam into a light pole. And I'm seeing this stuff. I'm like, oh, my God. And I remember looking in and the guy like literally like I know I haven't seen this before, but it was literally like like pumping blood out of these holes, individual holes in him, the taxi driver.

1:06:44And then we pulled into the venue and the gate closed kind of, but was open. And we got out, and my team leader's like, what the hell happened? What's up? It's always chaos. Hey, this car came in on us, man. I'm sorry. I thought it was a VBIP. And that was perfectly justified. And this is the rules of the Department of State. And I'm standing there, and my first experience with crazy stuff like this is this guy comes in, and he's stitched up, but he's walking and bleeding everywhere. And he comes and he falls at her feet by the gate. And we're just standing there. And I'm like, I don't know what to do.

1:07:25And they don't know what to do. And he was saying something. And all he wanted was a letter from us saying that he was not an insurgent at the hospital when he was taken to the hospital. Shit, man. Brother. and it just gets worse from there. Do you remember the first time you had to kill somebody? Yeah, I shot so many cars, Sean. I shot a lot, man. I did a lot. I did a lot, but I also had reasoning. I also had some, I also had an ability to not do it. I remember I almost got fired for not killing this guy because I was the lead turret gunner and with the 240 and then my M4 and 203. And this guy started, I could tell these two guys were fighting in the car.

1:08:26They're yelling at each other in Arabic. They're aggressive. It's kind of dramatic. They're fighting and I'm watching them and they're up above and they start to back up into us. and as he starts to back up, I feel hands on my leg go, and they're squeezing me like, shoot this guy. Like they grab my legs, like kill him because they're watching this, they can't do anything. And I, but I know that they're arguing and I see them arguing. I have every right, I could easily slice them both up through the back window, easy day. But I just knew that there was absolutely 100 % chance they were just bullshit, they weren't paying attention.

1:09:06And so I just shot twice in there. And I guess it was gasoline started coming out. But I went pop, pop, and this automatic liquid started coming out the back. And they both just were so terrified because they knew how close they were. And my team leader was like, good job, boss, man. But they called me in. And they said, hey, what did we say? There are no warning shots allowed. You could get fired and terminated from this contract for doing that again. I said, you're going to fire me for having the judgment not to kill somebody when I know they weren't a bad guy? And they were like, that's right, no warning shots.

1:09:38I said, okay, next time I'll kill them both for you. That was it. I'm not trying to be badass. I said, next time I won't do them a favor, I guess. And so that leads into many, many assaults, many firefights, many just continuous mayhem. I didn't realize it was that bad on that side. Well, there's the PSD side, which maybe a guy watching right now will say, well, I don't remember that. Well, because you were playing poker every night in the damn man camp chow hall and you were smart. I was stupid. I decided to continue to elevate myself and continue to volunteer and go into harder, more difficult, challenging things like the quick reaction force teams and the tactical support teams.

1:10:30and it was all volunteer like normal, you know? And I felt like that's where the action is. So I naturally, my attitude gravitated towards the action, towards what's going to give me action. I don't want to sit here all day. I don't want to sit in the man camp. I don't want to admin administrative job. I want to do stuff. I want to save people, by the way. I thought I was there for a righteous cause, by the way, still. And so I ended up being the turret gunner, the lead turret gunner for one of the big QRF teams. And that's all I did, all day, run, lead, turret gun. I mean, started out as a rear and then worked my way up to lead, but just did that day in and day out, day in and day out, shooting cars, getting in ticks, sometimes nothing.

1:11:18Gosh. Sometimes you come back and your water bottles next to your, you know, leak in. And you're like, thank God we didn't get shot at today. And you're looking and there's like a hole through the box where, you know, you're going 50 miles an hour down the road. And you don't even hear a round go across and go under the box. And you're like that, that close, you know. Damn. Yeah. But man, we were in for a very painful lesson. Let's take a quick break. Yeah.

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1:14:51All right, Jimmy, we're back from the break. Yeah. Man, I got to be honest. I wasn't expecting to go there with the Blackwater stuff. That's a hell of a change of pace from what you're doing in the Marine Corps to that. Well, you know, Sean, I don't want to come across as we were freaking just blazing and running and gunning every day. In war, you know very well that there's a shit ton of boredom. But then there's these action scenes that happen most of the time in the opposite way that you would think that they're happening. Now, we didn't do any night runs. Okay. It was all day. And on our day off, we'd have every third or fourth day off.

1:15:34We would just go to the pool at Saddam Hussein's Palace and try to pick up on the army chicks or whatever. Play on my little Nokia snake game phone. Yeah. I would act busy like this. That was my trick. And the girls would be like, oh, those are Blackwater guys. They got beards, and they don't have to salute the generals. You weren't working on your MySpace account? No, no. Yeah, I'm on MySpace. Oh, man. You're like, oh, yeah, I forgot about that. MySpace. You had MySpace, didn't you? I had MySpace. Everybody in Baghdad had MySpace. There wasn't anything else to do. I had a crazy girl acting like it was me and her talking back and forth.

1:16:17And she was married, and she was acting. I had no idea about this whatsoever. I was in Iraq fighting it out, duking it out in Blackwater. And I have this crazy girl that's literally acting like me and her are together, going back and forth on MySpace. She had my profile responding to her profile, and it wasn't even me. And I find this out, and I'm just like, oh, bro. It's my first experience with social media, you know? But anyway. Baghdad was an interesting place back then. Bro, there was parties all the time? People don't understand that. I think, you know what I thought was real? I mean, I don't think I've ever even talked.

1:16:53What was really, especially when I got to GRS, you would get these young women who just got out of Harvard and Stanford and Brown and all these Ivy League schools. and you know that's a certain type right that goes there you know right right and then they show up in the middle of afghanistan or yemen or iraq or pakistan or insert war zone country and then they made seals and green berets and recon guys and contractors so they're like that's a fucking man right and then it's like a switch flips right i i and they want to need another man and another man and another man right and all of a sudden these ivy league people they're not attracted to those types anymore no and then the partying starts yeah my girl my girl was a Canadian.

1:18:05That's from Stanley Baker, worked with Stanley Baker contractor. And she was the most, except for my wife now, you know, beautiful girl there at the time. I think, you know, a bunch of hair, beautiful body. And I mean, I just went straight up to her. She had never had a guy ever do that to her. Just, I was, I was tripping pool water on her and she's reading her book, you know, like a huge nerd, you know, cause she's been in college most of her life. and she looks up at me and I'm like, hey, you want to make out or something stupid, something crazy? And she's like, you're stupid, you know? Well, I mean, could you imagine coming, like, you go, you're coming from Harvard, you know, sweater vests, and then you go, and then you're in Baghdad and you see a bunch of guys come in with blood on their kid, bullets all over the car, you know what I mean?

1:18:58Straight up warriors, yeah. And the first thing they want is a beer. Oh, yeah. It's like, what is that? It's a fucking man. That's what that is. That's right. You just haven't been around that before. Yeah, and these girls were blown away by that. I remember my girl talking to me, and we would sit there together at night with candles lit and incense. Dude, this is in Baghdad, Iraq, man. Freaking rocket smashes down behind you. And yeah, I used to see her. She was my girlfriend in Iraq. I was seeing her every night. I'd do these crazy runs during the day. We became like the 911 force for the National Guard, the Army, Marines.

1:19:42Not as much Marines. But we're running and gunning all day, rescuing teams. And I would come back and tell her this crazy story. And she was just like blown away by this. I mean, I was really getting puffed up, you know. I really thought I was something at the time. I really felt I was pretty cocky. But then you also got the guys that fall in love with them. You know? Right. And they're agency girls. Right. And it's like, she loves me. It's like, she doesn't love you, dude. Yeah, okay. You're going to rotate out, and then there's going to be another one. No, she loves me. Really? She loves you?

1:20:20You don't even know her real name. You don't even know her real name. I like a stripper. The agency girls. You don't even know her real name. I hope your audience caught that. That was funny. But, yeah. So you were on the Raven 23 team. Right. I was on Raven 26 as an eventual team leader of Raven 26. We're running and gunning. And then all of a sudden, they're like, there's this Raven 23 that needs a new team leader. And so they bring me. They knew Haas. They knew I could control the team. That's one thing I could do. Because I just knew what men wanted. I knew what warriors need. And so they brought me over, and everybody's looking at me all cocky, like, who's this guy to come over and be our team leader now?

1:21:12And, I mean, they wanted somebody, like, straight up raw that nobody really knew from another complete cell and team to come run them. And they said, Haas, do whatever it takes. Iron these guys out. They're kind of a little rough, you know, out there. They're getting a little rough out in the wire. That's what they told me. And I said, okay. And everybody's looking at me kind of like cocky and stuff. You can imagine like 30 guys from all different backgrounds, SEALs, Rangers, badass guys, Rangers, all of them. And they're looking at me like, who's this guy, you know? And I remember I just stood in front of them.

1:21:46I don't know what came over me, but I was like, look. I was like, look, you may love me or hate me, but I'm going to promise you three things. I said, you're going to work. We're going to work, guys. because I knew guys were, I was pissed. You know, sometimes we'd sit there and listen to a team get smashed and just not do anything about it or take our time. And I was like, guys, we are good at work. And by work, I mean we're going to freaking work. We're going to answer every call we can. I don't care if you're changing your tire out there, we're going out. I don't care what happens, we're going to go out and we're going to set up the wall of steel.

1:22:17We're going to drive our vehicles right between them and the wall of fire, the bullets. That was our SOP, a wall of steel. And so I said, we're going to work. I said, you're going to sleep more than me, and you're going to eat the best food around, even if we have to go route Apache through the Black routes in Solder City, the band routes. And they were like, who the fuck is this guy? Who's this guy? Does he have the authority to do this? And one guy was like, you don't have the authority to fire us, because I told him I'd fire your ass. I said, hey, bro. I said, open your mouth again and see what happens.

1:22:56I said, window or aisle. Window or aisle, we used to say. You'll be on the next flight out there. I said, I don't want any shenanigans. You're not going to just kill people for the fun of it. We're here for a purpose, to rescue teams. I was very rambunctious. And they gave me the full power, hominus dominus, to do this, Sean, to fire. Anybody can get fired at any moment by me. And I had the power and authority to go out without asking, which plays a huge role later on in the Nisar Square. So I'm the only one to ever give those guys the opportunity to tell their side of that story, Nisar Square.

1:23:41Yeah, man. There's their pardons right up there. I don't sign their pardons. And you talk about coming full circle. Now I'm here, and you gave those guys a chance to tell their story and their pardons on the wall? It's weird, man. Life is weird. It is. I didn't even realize you were a part of that until I read the outline this morning. Yeah. I was the team leader. Do you want to go into that? We, I can skim around. They got pardons. I got gag order in, what do they call it, immunity only as long as I don't talk about it. Gotcha. You know, specifics, what I did. But you can gather. I mean, if somebody wants to investigate it, they can gather kind of what I did.

1:24:24You know? Okay. You can kind of gather from their reports what happened. Well, I don't want to get anybody in trouble. Yeah. So how did you – sounds like there's a lot of killing going on. Right. Right. How are you handling that? Sounds like it happened relatively fast. There was a decent amount of it. Well, how are you? How are you processing that? How are you processing it? I'm not processing it because it's happening so fast around me. In fact, the Raven 2-6 team that I just leave, I literally left, and they get blown up. Their lead truck gets hit by IED and hit it in a watermelon stand with a follow-on attack, a small arms.

1:25:13And so my homies, the front two turret gunners, a dual turret, one of them loses half of his arm. The other one's shot out like a rocket onto his head. His head's swollen up. It's unrecognizable. And I'm going to the hospital seeing this, holding these guys' hands, watching four Army guys die right in a row, screaming out, You know, Mom, Mom, Jesus, Jesus, and just fading out. I saw that shit. And, you know, blood all in the foyer of the Baghdad hospital flies on the stretchers. As you come in, just stretchers stacked. We're answering the calls to the rockets now. We developed kind of an SOP. While we were there, a rocket would hit, and we'd run right to it no matter what, even if rockets were still hitting.

1:26:11Because I saw guys that got hit hiding from rockets. I was like, screw that, man. If you're going to go out, you might as well go out like a G. You might as well go out with running out there. And so we were answering these calls, and we would get there. People would be blown apart. It's crazy how the mind works, Sean. I know you know this, but I blacked out a lot of the terrible stuff. and only years later through therapy and stuff did it come up. Like one time there was three rockets that hit, boom, boom, boom, like that. And we ran over there and there was just a pile of guts on fire, on fire, and there was a hand over here with a cell phone and an army doctor, medic, army medic.

1:27:04He looked like a purple Smurf. He's sitting there like this. And I said, hey, I said, how many? How many? And he just goes like this, like held up his four fingers. And I just ran into that. And I was so used to running into it. We ran over there. And I remember my buddy in front of me tried to jump over the guts. And he fell and hit his back into the fire in the guts. You know, it was smoldering. and I picked him up and he was just covered in this stuff. And I rounded a corner and there was a girl in a blue dress, just the weirdest stuff, a girl with a blue dress and the top of her head was gone.

1:27:45Oh, man. And I couldn't understand how she died because she was so far away from the explosion. And so I was caught by myself back there with her. It was just me and her. And this cold came over me. And I just looked at her. The blood was going, pooling, coagulating out of the top of her head. And I remember I just was so confused, like a little NCIS investigator. I'm like, well, I didn't want to touch anything. And I looked up, and part of the tree was sheared off. And all I could think of was maybe the shrapnel hit the tree and came down on her or something weird. Anyways, picked her up, put her in the bags as usual, sprayed out the trucks that night with power washers and then go back at it the next day over and over and over and eventually, I don't know, Sean I knew I was going to get hit I knew something bad was going to happen I knew it was coming they were giving me awards they were saying, Jimmy, good job, they called me Hoss Hoss, man, good job, bro, do it again, do it again You don't got to ask us permission.

1:28:59Do it again. Go out there. I'm 27 years old. I thought I was a man back then. I thought I was a full-grown badass warrior. And I look back at that guy now, and I'm like, man, he was a kid. I thought he knew what was going on. And it eventually caught up to me, and I had to make the call to go out that day. I already had shrapnel. I had shrapnel on my leg from a cheap Chinese Chi Com grenade that I had stepped out of the truck, banged it out with some insurgents that ran up right up on us. And I just opened the door like this because I knew what he was trying to do. He was trying to throw a grenade in the turret.

1:29:49And, you know, a grenade in the truck with the closed doors like that, armored, it's over. And that's how I saw four Army guys die. A grenade had gone in their turret, and it poofed like that. And they survived only to die a couple hours later in front of me. And when I saw those four guys die, those Army guys, I said, Sean, I said, I am not going to die like that on my life. I would go out fighting on my feet, then take a grenade in the turret. So when we pulled up to Arminot City Hall, it was a major exchange of gunfire. a guy a guy in his pajamas it looked like ran past the window and i and the truck shook like this like an explosion small and like a grenade had missed and that's what he did he threw the grenade and it bounced off the top of the turret and the guy tried to smoke him and i jumped out and that's when i took shrapnel he must have thrown another grenade uh and i threw a grenade over the wall and he they smoked him but um so i have this in my leg my team that i just left is blown up guys are injured uh you have all these rockets going on at night i know my time's coming and by the way the pallet guts that were on fire was the same guy from indonesia or whatever that gave me my float ice cream float sunday every day and he was so nice i asked the next day i said Where's that guy that gives me my ice cream?

1:31:17He said that was him yesterday. Yeah.

1:31:25How many deployments did you do over there? I don't know. Baghdad was my permanent address. So I just stayed. Stayed there. Well, I would do like nine months, nine months on, one month off, six months, one month off, nine months, one month off, for almost four years. What are you telling your parents? Are you still close to them at this point? Yeah. They just knew that I wasn't meant to do it. They were just totally like, hey, man, Jimmy's doing his dream. Let him do it. My mom was tough. But did they know? I don't think they knew to the extent, but they knew it was bad. Because I liked a good story, so I would tell them some stuff, but not too crazy.

1:32:10They didn't know the bad stuff. They didn't know how terrible it was. Sean. And the day the Nisar Square happened, Baghdad's Bloody Sunday, they call it, you know, with the four guys that you brought in here.

1:32:27I saw a big black plume of smoke and a bomb went off. You could feel it. I was in the chow hall and the windows vexed like that, like you're on an airplane in turbulence. And I was like, it's over. Because I just knew with things that were escalating, I just knew that my time was coming to an end there. And but I always did. I always did what I said I was going to do. You're going to work. You're going to eat better. You're going to sleep more than me. And I took the guys out. And we got to the checkpoint. And Corey Wainscott, who later died, he's my tactical commander in the front truck. He said, Haas, what do you want to do?

1:33:09We have a team that's been attacked. They said, contact, contact, contact on the air, like they had been attacked. And I thought they had been blown up. And he says, Haas, what do you want to do? And he goes, we can go to this traffic circle and block it off while they come through. Because, you know, insurgents attack at these points. And I said, hold on. And I waited. And I knew if I said go out, it was over, Sean. And a voice told me that, a voice said, if you do this, it's going to be bad. And I didn't know to the extent. We never do, do we? And that's when I said, go ahead and go. Because I always did the more aggressive thing.

1:33:52I always leaned on the never die with a cold gun in your hand. And so we went out. And that's when all hell broke loose. And that's when a lot of lives were changed. A lot of lives were, a lot of people were killed. And, of course, those guys on Raven 2-3. And you were out there with them. Yeah, I was the team leader. I was in the third truck. You got maps, you got radios, trying to talk to the little birds and stuff. But all hell broke loose. Yeah. But it was my call. And I take 100 % responsibility for it because you can't be a leader and just take all the goodness and say, oh, yeah, I did this.

1:34:43I'm this. No, if you want to be a leader and you want to step up the plate, even if it was that many years ago, you take the full brunt, you know, even if it was a nightmare. And I was blamed, you know, for making a call to go out. They said I disobeyed orders. I went against their calls. There were no orders. There was no calls. They kept encouraging me to go out. So I just made the decision to go out. Did it intercept an attack or something else? I will never know. Do you think that was the wrong call?

1:35:28Um, considering, considering that how it ruined so many lives. Yeah. Yep. I mean, I can sit here today and say, no, man, Sean, no, that was the right call. But no, no, I would have rather died that day than go through what those guys had to go through. Because it's one thing as a leader to lose guys on a team, but you imagine the guys go to prison for life because of your choice? You're in eternal torture. Your mind is tortured year after year. You can't enjoy anything. And I'm not even woe is me now. It sounds like a pity party now. These guys had to go to prison because of my call. But really, a couple of things.

1:36:21One of the guys, as you well know, Jeremy Ridgway, he turned and basically said something else went on that day. And other guys said that. And, of course, the Raven 23 guys, based off their counsel, didn't testify and didn't fight back in a testifying physical way. And when you do that, because I was in a lot of the courts watching this happen, being called in, you look like a killer. You look like a murderer. You're far away from this jury that has no idea what war, not even a fraction of a, you know, they don't know what war is like or anything. and they're seeing these four white guys with shaving heads all the way across the courtroom.

1:37:15And you're guilty. You're guilty. But based off their Blackwater counsel, they were told not to say a word. And I think that was the biggest mistake ever. Because at that point, you better open your mouth and fight for yourself. Do you think if they would have said something, it would have changed the outcome? No. So that's a great point. I mean, the government deleted the evidence that supposedly proved their innocence. They deleted that drone footage of the entire incident. Only that slice of drone footage? Yes. According to their account? Multiple FBI just later said that it was a sham. I don't think it would have changed the outcome.

1:38:02They were totally, they were 100 % railroaded. They were heroes in my eyes. And for, people can't even comprehend what they had to go through that day. But, you know, people can't comprehend what war is like. They sent an investigation team, the FBI, and they couldn't even leave their rooms to investigate the scene for a while because rockets were hitting in the distance. I said, how can you judge a crime scene if you can't even go look at it? I mean, think of the irony in that. I thought about it many times. That interview, yeah, really, it just really affected me. Yeah, it affected me. It made me feel different about the country.

1:38:55Total betrayal. Betrayal. Because three of them got, I think three of them got 35 years, and then Nick Slatton got life. Yeah. You know? Right. Right. Do you keep in touch with those guys at all? Two of them I do.

1:39:18And I'm sure there's blame on me, and it's okay. I welcome it. I forcibly welcome it because I really take a lot. I take that real serious. Like you have got to take responsibility for all your actions, even if it ruins you. And so it was obviously a very difficult time moving forward because I had to figure out what to do now. Now, my lawyers were like, don't worry, Jimmy. They're not going to come. They can't do anything. And then the FBI is coming to my house, and I refuse to talk to them. And that's how I could pass later on my SEAL stuff, my top secret stuff. Have the FBI ever visited you at your house?

1:40:05No. They had come to my mom's house. Have you ever spoken to the FBI? No. I never did. Never talked to them once. I said, get out of my house, my parents' house. And my lawyer was like, don't be rude to them. You know, and so I never, never. So basically what happened was it was a shit show, Sean. And but but it was a lot of conflicting word. Like my lawyer is saying, everything's OK. Don't worry. There's nothing they can do to you. They got these sealed things. And and then on the news, though, they're full steam ahead. Senator Obama is on there saying these guys need to burn. and then later on we find out that Vice President Biden literally went to Baghdad, Iraq and visited President Maliki at the time and basically made a deal and said, although the case has been dismissed, trust me, we're going to burn these guys.

1:41:03We're going to get them. And that's what they did.

1:41:07And that's why I'm in the SEALs now. So that was your last deployment with Blackwater. That was it. they flew me out directly after that. How long after your last deployment did you go to join the Navy? I sat at home and I had a pain management doctor that was willing to give me fentanyl patches, everything I asked for, for nothing, for a little chicken scratch on my leg, a little ball bearing, shrapnel stuck in my leg, for nothing. But I made it bigger than it was so I could get more fit on stuff because now I had me hooked. And it was an escape for me. And I was able to escape this traumatic war, the deception, my own disillusionment, my brainwashing from the government.

1:41:56I'm able to just escape everything. My buddy taught me how to cut up oxycodone and snort it. And I thought that was just the best ever was heaven at the time. And I'm escaping, escaping, escaping. And I'm drinking now, Jack Daniels. I'm taking 15 vodka in a day. I'm cutting up one fit and all pads because they were so heavy. They'd make you pass out and drool all over yourself. So I'd cut them up and put them on my leg. And so I'm completely just zoned out. And I'm thinking, I have to end my life. So I start thinking of ways to end my life. Really, really thinking about how do I do this and not hurt my family?

1:42:38How do I do this and not? I had a rental house at the time. Do it maybe in the bathroom, but it still would be, you know, this kind of crazy stuff. I was real serious. And I remember my niece came up, and she said, hey, you want to watch a cartoon with me? And I said, yeah, you know, whatever, you know. And I sat down with her, and it was Finding Nemo. Wait, she came up to you as you were going to commit suicide? No, no. She came up to me during this dark time. I was, if I stayed by myself, Sean, it was like the demons would come in. And I could not be by myself. I couldn't live by myself. I couldn't be in a room by myself.

1:43:19So I stayed around my parents. I stayed around other life living beings to stay alive. And my niece wanted to watch Finding Nemo. And I'm all jacked up. But I still had this burning desire to do the seals. But everybody told me, Jimmy, it's over. The SEALs, it's almost impossible to get in. It's hard. It's very difficult to do it with a clean, perfect record. But I don't know if I'm going to be arrested tomorrow by the FBI, stay in trial with these guys. I don't know what's going to happen.

1:43:52And my lawyers start saying, oh, my God, Jimmy, they're thinking about charging you now with this and this and this, but they can't quite prove it. So I've got all this pressure against me. And so I turn on Finding Nemo with my niece. I'm trying to be a good uncle, but I'm drinking and all jacked up, messed up at my parents' house. And I'm lost, man. And I remember it was about a fish or something swimming around in the deep, dark ocean. It's almost impossible, right? But the whole movie's about keep going, keep swimming. And all of a sudden, the lights go out on the TV screen. It goes pitch black.

1:44:34And I'm about to get up with my bottle of Jack. And I look and it said, just keep swimming or just keep moving forward. And that hit me. I don't know why, but it just hit me. And sometimes it takes a, I say it takes a perspective change in our life. Just one little thing to flip your switch. And that, for some reason, seeing that just keep moving forward, swimming, hit me, especially in relation to the SEALs. And so, man, a light went on, Sean. And I said, and I knew right then and there, if I don't get up off this couch and if I don't dump this shit right now, I'm going to die. 100%. I am a dead man.

1:45:18If I don't do something right, I mean, it had to be right now. I knew if I went one more second, it was lights out for me. So I got up from Finding Nemo. I dumped all my stuff. People later questioned, like, well, Jimmy, how could you get off fitness? I don't remember. I don't know. I don't remember going through horrible withdrawals. It was just some real bad cramping, but I just started running. I just started running and running and running until I threw up. And so I just put myself in a situation of complete, absolute delusion.

1:45:56I blacked out everything. Blacked out the Blackwater event like it never happened. I blacked out everything around me and said, I'm going for the SEALs. And it just looked impossible, though. I mean, how were you masked? Did everybody around you know you were messed up? or were you masking it pretty good? Your parents, did they know? I think my parents always knew stuff, but they never told me. I think they just did me the favor of not. I think they knew that it was real bad. It'd be like your uncle coming home from Vietnam, and he's always messed up, but you know he went through some stuff in the jungle, so you leave him alone.

1:46:36I'm not causing a riot. I'm not yelling. I'm not violent. I'm just done. I remember getting into a couple arguments with my dad because I was being loud or something. Nothing too crazy.

1:46:57And so I go all in for the seals, and I make it by the grace of God standing on the shoulders of giants.

1:47:09and that really, really pissed off the FBI, pissed the DOJ off. Why? What do you mean it pissed them off? Well, they dismissed the case in 2009. And I thread the needle to where I don't have to lie. I don't have to lie on anything. I never lied on my stop secret clearance, all this stuff. I just thread the needle, right? And it's a really weird situation. Because, you know, the DOJ probably thinks the team leader of the Blackwater thing, he's dead. He's gone. It's over for Jimmy Watson. His life is over. Well, I keep plugging away. I keep slugging out. I keep swinging for the fences. I mean, it's against all odds.

1:47:50And I get through training. I get my top secret clearance. I'm in sniper school. I go to all volunteer unit, SDV. And then I go to sniper. And around that time, they drum up the case again, the Blackwater case. And my old lawyer, Monica Lewinsky's lawyer, Preston Burton, you know Monica Lewinsky? Remember him? I've heard of her. Her lawyer that likes cigars. Yeah, cigars and blue dresses. Her lawyer, her defense lawyer was my defense lawyer for Blackwater. And he calls me up. He goes, Jimmy, man, I hate to say this, brother, but you're getting called in to testify. And he says, just don't lie.

1:48:42Just tell exactly how what happened. and um and so i go in and i testify in my uniform and these fbi are just like how did this guy wait how how did he become a seal he was a black heart team leader now how did he become a seal how did he how does this happen how does that work you know and i and i it was pretty extraordinary to be standing there years later and the FBI hates you so much. And now you're testifying. And my story, my testimony was not collaborating their side of the story, the DOJ and the FBI. And they didn't like how my story was in direct. I can't say much, but it was a direct.

1:49:33It was conflicting with Ridgeways. It was, you know, in ways. Of course, I didn't have a bird's eye view. I was kind of in the seat here. But anyways, my testimony did not help the DOJ, the FBI. And so they put their crosshairs on me. And that plays on later on with McAfee. Nobody, I mean, Al Capone has had two FBI different cases come against him. It's like getting hit by lightning twice. And I had two different big investigations launched against me. and almost successful too. So I go in and testify in my uniform. That creates a mistrial. I can't say it was because of my testimony, but it was brutal, and the jury was in tears after I left.

1:50:28So the DOJ are just in shock that I would testify like this, just absolutely in shock, direct conflicting their story. And my lawyer said, as long as you don't lie, you're OK. And so they call my lawyer. They tell my lawyer and say, if Jimmy comes in and does that again, we will destroy his SEAL career. We will. And they said, and Preston told me, I was at sniper school, had a broken ankle at sniper school. He said, Jimmy, these guys are not messing around. and they literally said that they're going to come after your SEAL career, and it's coming from the very highest place that you can imagine.

1:51:13I said, highest place? He said, the very highest place you can imagine is coming from the top, that you better cooperate and nail these guys into jail. You better go along with their story. And my lawyer is telling me this. Jeez. You better cooperate with the FBI or they're going to ruin your career. They may can't put you in jail because they can't get you on the line, but they're going to come back to your career and destroy you. And I said, so be it, man. So be it. And so what did I do? Just like the movies, Goodfellas. You know, I'll hit you. I'll go to jail. I'll come out and I'll hit you again afterwards.

1:51:50And that's what I did. I went and testified the exact same way in my uniform. And that's when, if I recall right, that's directly after that. I was at the top of my game, in my game. In the SDV, I was a team leader, a sniper. I was by no means the best guy there, but I was doing real well. And, you know, doing real well. Did a national tasking.

1:52:21And that's when they came in with the memo. The FBI wrote a memo to my commander and said that I had lied on the stand. all this crazy stuff. Can you imagine? He lied on this memo to say that I was lying. But if you were just smart, if you had a brain, you'd say, well, if he was lying, why not charge him with perjury? But they didn't. And they came after my career. He wrote a nasty memo. And that sent me into a two-year fight that is hard to imagine. I fought the Navy. My commander said that I only had 10 days left to get out of the Navy. He called me in the office and I was at the top of my game at SDV.

1:53:06I was doing real well. And he called me in after all that. He said, Jimmy, you have 10 days left to get out of the Navy. And I thought he was joking. I said, sir, what? I said, what? And he goes, hey, you have 10 days left to get out of the Navy. And I said, sir, I'm not going nowhere. And he said, no. He shook. He says, you don't understand. He said, you're out of here. He goes, the top admiral, I almost said his name, but that admiral, the highest admiral, said, you're out of here. And I said, I'm telling you right now, I'm not going nowhere. And he goes, I swear by, you know, in 10 days, you'll be out of here.

1:53:47In 10 days, I came in with my uniform on and slapped my commander on the back and said, hey, sir. And he was startled. And he looked at me. He said, yes. I was like, I'm still here. And that was my motto. I'm still here. And the only thing in my real burning drive, Sean, was that I just couldn't imagine them doing this to my sister or somebody that wouldn't fight, you know, just railroad somebody like that.

1:54:19So what happened? Well, this is what happened. I launched an all-out war against the JAG, against everybody. I just became a ruthless, brutal, back-in-the-Baghdad, Iraq war dog. You know, I launched complaints. I wrote every freaking, you name it, congressman, you name it, senator in Texas, attorney, it's been so long, but inspector generals, all these. And I just launched paperwork and paperwork and paperwork and unlawful command influence charges where they have to respond. And then it buys you time. And my dad was a Texas judge, so he's encouraging me and telling me these things to do along the way.

1:55:07And so I fought him for two years, the Navy. And every single month, they'd say, you're out in this state. You're out in this state. But I would make him, and I'd draw it out another. I'd spend another$50 ,000 on a lawyer. Then I started representing myself. And eventually it came down to one of those admin boards.

1:55:34But the three guys at the end of the admin board, I won't name their names because I'm working on my forgiveness, but they had their orders from the admiral to kick me out no matter what my story was. And I knew that from a good friend who knew them. All the SEALs know each other. you know that. And they dismissed me out of the Navy. They said, you're done. And so I finally was packing my bags to get out of the Navy. My dad called me up, the old Texas judge. He's like, son, he's like, you got one more chance. He goes, file another complaint against him. He goes, file this complaint, this new complaint.

1:56:12And I said, dad, it's over, man. He says, no, if you do this, it'll buy you another 40 days. And I said, all right, why not do another 40 days with them? And so I filed another complaint. But this time it was a new commander, Parado, and he overturned their decision and kept me in the Navy. So now - What year is this? 2015. 15? What was his name? Commander Parado. He was an old Mustang. He was enlisted first. Enlisted to captain.

1:57:02What was his first name? Do you know? John. No shit. John Perot. I worked with him. He's the baddest motherfucker on the planet. Nobody, nobody would ever do what he did. I have never seen a guy with that ball, that kind of balls. He said, because he overturned the decision of the entire command to kick me out, Sean. And his boss is the Admiral, Admiral Losey. That told them to kick me out no matter what for the FBI. Can you imagine that?

1:57:53and he calls me in and I gave him a bunch of paperwork and I said sir he goes Jimmy come in and I came in I'm limping because my body hurt I was fighting the Navy for two years it was terrible and I limped in and he said sit down son I said no I'll stand he looked at me Commander Parado, he said, I said, sit down. And I said, and I sat down. So we had a bad start. And he goes, what are you in here for? I said, sir, I know that you're not going to, I know that you're not going to help me. I know that you're not going to overturn my case. I said, but I want to let you know that I would have been a good SEAL under you.

1:58:40He goes, I heard about you. He goes, you're the guy that got his dick caught in a belt sander. I said, that's right. He said, you're the guy that broke his ankle and went to the trot out for damn neck and passed? This is the initial screen on a broken ankle. I said, that's right. And he said, he goes, well, don't ever tell me what I'm going to do or not do. You understand me? And I said, yeah, okay. And I put my stuff down. And he called me on Christmas. And he said, I reviewed all your stuff for 40 days. He goes, and I'm overturning the case. And I'm going to keep you in and give you whatever team you want to go to.

1:59:21He said, where do you want to go? I said, the White Devils, Team 10. And he said, roger that. He goes, they're going to issue an apology when you get to the command. I came to the command. I walked in like a cockroach, Sean. After two years of hell, everybody thought I was done. And there was guys apologizing to me and shit that he made apologize to me. And then, of course, I had to go through one more guy to get me complete, and that was Admiral Lossi. But Admiral Lossi was the original guy. But everybody thought, no, there's no way he's going to go against Commander Prado now because it's a really messed up, weird situation, right?

2:00:03And we wait, and he says, get this motherfucker out of here now, today. And that was the biggest mistake Admiral Losey made ever for his career because he didn't understand. He didn't understand. I was ready to die to stay in the SEALs, not to be a SEAL anymore, but based off of principle in my fight against the FBI, because I saw him destroy Nick Slayton, Paul Slough, Dustin Hurd, Donald Ball, all those guys. I saw what they did to those guys' lives. They destroyed their lives. The FBI literally destroyed their lives in sleeps at night, not even knowing that they did it. I don't know if they do or not.

2:00:49But I saw what they did, and so I was in it for the blood. I was in it to die. I know that sounds insane. But when they said that this time, Jimmy, even Commander Prado said, I'm sorry, son. I did all I could do. I said, you're a G, bro. You'll be remembered in the Hall of Fame for each two sad balls. And so they said, you're out of here in 10 days. Again, this is two years of this. And I said, I'm not going nowhere, Sean. And they said, you're going this time. And I said, I'm not going nowhere. And they said, what do you mean? I said, well, I said, I'm going to go ahead and. And I said, you promised that I'm out of here in two days?

2:01:38And he said, yeah, you're done this time. I said, well, tell Admiral Losey the blood is on his hands because I'm going to kill myself now. You know, I did that. And so my wife at the time called the ambulance, and it was a big show, big, big show. And I go to Emerald Coast Mental Health because I was in Florida at the time. I stay in there, and I'm life-flighted. to Naval Balboa Medical Mental Health, and it was all to fight for principle. But at this point, I need the mental hospital, you know? So it's real, you know? And so I stay in the Naval Balboa Mental Hospital for a year, approximately a year.

2:02:27A year. A year. and Admiral Lossi finally sends two JAG officers to give me a message. And I tell my ex-wife, I said, baby, you should just leave me because I'm going to be in here for the rest of my life. I've committed myself to this fight to the end. And Admiral Lossi sends two messengers, and the two JAG officers come in in their black uniforms, and they come in and I'm in the mental hospital. I have literally blue paint on me. I had my hair is, I'll try to find a picture for you guys, but my hair is crazy. I got the blue outfit on. I mean, I look insane. I have a huge beard. Nobody's telling me shit.

2:03:10I'm doing burpees all day and coloring and stuff and painting. And the JAG officer said, Jimmy, we have a message for you from Admiral Lossi that you can stay in here for the rest of your life, but the outcome will be the same. When you leave here, you are getting immediately terminated and kicked out. And they said, do you understand? And I looked at them and I said, I got finger painting in five minutes. Are we done? And they got the message that I guess that's how it is. So I turned around and I knew that my time was limited and the doctors were going to go ahead and discharge me. And I felt like it was illegal for them to do this.

2:03:56And I'm sorry, some people may not understand this mentality, but you have to be there. And so they leave, and I know that I have to take it to another level now. I have to take it to the highest level I can to prove a point. At this point, I don't even know what I'm fighting for, but I just know that it's not right what the FBI has done to me. So I'm going to go all in. And so, Sean, I go and I hung myself with a sheet. She hung herself with a sheet. With a sheet. With a real, like a real, like I took a sheet and I tied a knot in it every four inches for a long time. I already pre-stated this because I knew this was coming.

2:04:44And it's very, very difficult to do that, to do something to yourself in Naval Balboa Mental Health. They watch you. And your pen is like a piece of rubber. There's nothing hard. There's nothing stiff. Your chairs weigh 200 pounds. You can't pick things up. But I figured a way to do it. And there was a hole in the wall above my toilet like this big. And I just stuffed it like I was loading a magazine with those knots. And then I launched my, I put it on my head. And I thought, golly, man, you've never met a guy that wanted to live so bad and just be left alone in service country and give back to my country and give back to God.

2:05:31And here I am on a freaking toilet about to launch myself off the thing. I remember my roommate looked at me getting on the toilet with this thing on, and he just goes, oh, man. And he just walked outside, and I just launched myself off the toilet. Holy shit. As hard as I could. And it fractured my neck. Legitimately.

2:06:03Knowing that they would, I mean. What? I think it was a 50-50. You do this because you wanted to, did you want to die so that it was blood on his hands? No, I didn't want to die, but it was 50-50 maybe that I would die. Or something really messed up to me, maybe lack of oxygen in my brain for a long time. So I wake up. I'm out blackness. And I wake up, and this nurse is on me. And she's screaming, but she's kind of choking me out with her foot is right here. And it was real tight. And I fractured my neck. And the doctors now, the same ones that were going to kick me out, they're crying, shaking.

2:06:51And it was a huge, huge deal. And it got back to Admiral Losey. And he was like, leave Jimmy alone. Let him out. He can do whatever he wants now. Because I said, the next thing is the Coronado Bridge at 5 o 'clock. I'll jump off that thing if you let me out here. That's how insane I was. And I was mad. It was bad. So they finally said, leave him alone. And Admiral Lossi eventually, he was charged, or not charged, but he was found to have 11 or 17 complaints against him of unlawful command influence. And he was the only admiral in the SEALs to ever not get their second SAR or something like that.

2:07:36Yeah. And it was, I think it was Senator Caskill that said that one too many complaints on him for unlawful command influence. And I know it was fine that they broke the camel's back, you know? Wow. Wow. How did you get down? Hmm? When you hung yourself? I woke up on the ground, laying in the corner, like stretched to the max. So I didn't actually hang. I launched myself, and it was like... Pulled it out of the wall. Yeah, but it was still in, and they had to get it off. It was terrible. It was a nightmare. It was a real nightmare. It was a real big show. you know wow wow damn dude that's that's nuts yeah and i look back and i it's like i wish i would have just at times i would have just like walked over like what the hell was i doing i was still fighting for a resemblance of honor and patriotism and strength you know but i look back it just total a lot of it was uh wow john parado huh john parado the man a real man you know him if it's the same john parado he was my oic when i was in baghdad and he was a awesome oh i see yeah that's probably him he's old school he was badass we had some shit leadership at still team too jamie sands was our ceo i don't know if you've heard of that guy uh-uh it was terrible oh he was he was no he wasn't he was the xo i think but no that sounds about right i think he just got fired or something I think he's a horrible leader.

2:09:46Everybody in the SEAL team hates that guy. God, man. Everybody. He made it way up. Of course he did. Of course. Typical officer that didn't do shit, that went really far, high ranking. Yeah. Yeah. That's what pissed me off so bad about the imbalance. Here, I literally, literally blood, sweat, and tears to get to the SEALs and to be a SEAL. But here's this officer that's like kind of handed things on a silver platter, treated so differently, and he's able just to say, you're out of here in two days. And I thought that was so, the unfairness to it. It was like the wrong guy to mess with me. That's the first time I've heard of John Parado since probably 2006.

2:10:34Wow. And I always wondered what happened to him, but I thought he was just an amazing leader. It has to be him because if he was OIC with you, that makes sense. He would be a commander at SDV. Yeah, that was 2006. I didn't realize he was a Mustang. I'm not sure on that. I'll show you a picture. I'll dig one up. Somebody told me that he was enlisted before, but maybe he wasn't. Maybe I got that off. But he was bad, man. The baddest decision. I've never heard of anything. Can you imagine going against your boss for some guy that's going to get kicked out anyways? But he just did it off of principle.

2:11:13Yeah. Yeah. He was doing it back then. He was an awesome dude. Awesome leader. Wow.

2:11:26You got a hell of a story, man. Yeah. Where are we going from here? Well, I think it goes right into McAfee. It's just a big transition to, like I talked about, the Joseph in the dungeon story, where he's betrayed by his brothers. I felt like betrayed by my country. And Joseph was betrayed by his brothers. He's thrown in a dungeon. I'm thrown in the mental hospital. I go through the hanging. And then I get to my house in Valley Center, and I don't know what's going to happen, but here comes the dungeon to the palace. I have no idea that my life's about to change. I'm basically like crying out to God.

2:12:08I don't even know if God hears me or I know he's real. I never denied him. I never denied God, but I know he's real, but I know he's not with me or he's not answering me because of the hell that I've gone through. All of a sudden, my buddy T-Cav calls me out of nowhere and we had been doing some enforcing work together. What's that? Like getting people to pay the money they owe to whoever they owe the money to, you know.

2:12:38How do you do that? Yeah. What does that mean? Who hires you to do that? Rich, rich dudes. You know, through connections. Like, you know, I was called up and say, hey, you want to go do this? This guy owes, you know, a billion bucks. He owes it. He's not paying it for the last year and a half. He lives in Canada. Give me his address. You go up to him and you give him a plastic card with the bank wire information on it, and you just give it to him, and maybe something happens. Maybe something doesn't, and you tell him, you understand what this means? Yeah, okay, because next time it's not going to be this.

2:13:22And usually they pay. Because of - How do you even get into that? I don't know, Sean. I mean, you know - So you get kicked out of the SEAL teams. Well, I actually retired honorably, but honorable is not on a piece of paper, so - You retired. I literally was able to retire. When they gave me a choice, after the hanging, I said, what do you want to do, Jimmy? I said, now I want to get out. And I want to get 100 % medical. And they gave me, they said, whatever. They gave me all the bells and whistles, 100 % honorable, retired, everything. But honorable is not on a piece of paper. I always say that.

2:14:04I'm committed to that. So how long were you in? A total 17 years. Because that counts. My Marine time counts, inactive reserves and active. And then my SEAL time around maybe 17, 17 and a half maybe. So you probably spent like 12 years, 13 years in the SEAL teams? Eight years. Eight years. Eight, totally. Eight years in the Marine Corps and eight years in. Yeah, a little more over eight than the SEALs. Shit.

2:14:40And then from that to enforcing, what'd you call it? Enforcer? Being an enforcer. How do you get into that? Well, my homie T-Cav, he had a boss that owed, a guy owed money. And so we, so I was like, yeah. You had a boss who was owed money. He had a boss that was owed money by another guy that was living in Canada. And we went up there and stayed for a while and watched his business, watched his house, watched his business. And finally, he came out. He didn't like to move around. He didn't like to come out. And finally he came out one day and we followed him to his house. And luckily we didn't have to do anything to crazy.

2:15:35We just went up there and we grabbed him and we said, you know, you're going to pay this. You know what I mean? We're not Canadians, by the way. We flew all the way here for this and found you. And you're going to pay this. Here's the wire information. Already on this little nice card. You don't have to take it any further after this. All you have to do is pay, and then nothing will happen to you. And they're like, okay, you know, okay, okay, okay, okay. Because that's scary, you know. Two guys like me and TCAF to come up, you know, out of nowhere in Canada at your random house. That's crazy. It's far.

2:16:17How long were you doing that for? Not long, just a couple months. What does that pay? Well, that could be a percentage of the money that came in. You know, it could be$50 ,000 each, you know, off a billion-dollar deal. He just wants his money back. I mean, he's willing to pay us a lot because you're not going to get that money back. Anyways. So I get a call from TCAF. TCAF's like, yo, bro, you know, what are you doing? I'm like, I'm done with this, man. Last time was scary. He got pulled out of customs in Canada, and I sat on the plane alone without him, and I was like, oh, we're going to get where it's over.

2:17:00But he calls me. He goes, hey, you want to go be security for John McAfee? And I'm like, who's John McAfee? He's like, check your computer, dog. And I'm like, oh, the McAfee antivirus guy? And he goes, yeah. he's got a nephew in the teams and he called him saying that he's paranoid. He wants the best sale out there. Of course I wasn't by any means, nobody. I just got out though, you know, just, just out. And I had a payment due on my house, Sean. I would have done it for free almost just for an adventure. Right. I mean, I, and think about what I went through. I hung myself. I have a, I had a fractured neck that had a heel.

2:17:40I go through all this shit in my life. You know, those guys, by the way, Are they in prison right now? I can't even remember. But they will be. Or they were. And I've been through all this shit. And then he calls me with this opportunity, John McAfee. And so he goes, don't worry. He'll probably pay you whatever you ask. So he'll call you. I said, OK, OK. I didn't think about it, Sean. And all of a sudden, my phone rings. And I answer it. And it's like, you know who this is, boy? I'm like, who's this guy calling boy, you know? He's like, it's John McAfee. I said, yeah, sir, I figured that's who you are.

2:18:15He said, he got right down to brass tacks. He said, how much you charge? And I was like, he's real raspy, real harsh like that. And I just threw out$500 to$1 ,000 a day. It depends on the threat, I said. And I didn't know how to balance that. I was just going off in my Blackwater days, you know, how to price that. And he goes, what the hell? He goes, my Green Berets. I only pay them$250 a day. Damn it. Like, what kind of hard-ass value? And I don't know why, but I just was like, I was like, well, it's your life, sir. And I didn't know how much that was playing into his already paranoia and his emotions.

2:18:59And so that was a deal for him. He was like, okay, like, be here tonight then. Because when I said it's your life and I played on his emotions without knowing it, I basically won the negotiation. And he wasn't used to losing. Because you could tell he didn't want to pay that money. But when he said, you know, when I said, well, it's your life. Like, take it or leave it. And he said, deal. He said, 500 bucks. But you got to be here tonight. You got to leave tonight. I said, OK, where? And he says, I'll give you instructions. I fly into Lexington, Tennessee. I mean, Lexington, Tennessee. Where the hell is that?

2:19:40It's a dump. There's like a Walmart. I'm sorry if somebody's from Lexington, Tennessee, on the audience. But you think you're going to be the guard of the iconoclad technology, iconoclad John McPhee, and he lives in Lexington, Tennessee. You think you're going to go to Belize or Bali or somewhere? No. John McPhee picks Lexington, Tennessee. It's a big house. and it's tactically situated for great observation. It's up on a hill. It's got a huge clearing around it, big fence and attack dogs, big canines and a pit bull named Tequila. And so I pull up there, man. Long story short, I pull up. These dogs are running and jumping and hitting the fence at me.

2:20:35and the guards are like, yeah, they may bite you, man. And I'm like, man, I don't want to do this. But I need an adventure, Sean. I'm always looking for the adventure. So I walk in the room and these guards are everywhere playing on. They look like the stock market, the candlesticks going up and down. I later found out that's crypto. They're smoking weed. They're drinking whiskey. This is just not my environment. I mean, I'm used to having to, you know, in the SEALs, you would never drink with your pistol on. I mean, it just doesn't go together, right? I mean, unless you're in some weird situation like the island or something.

2:21:10But you're like, you know, it was just odd to see. And so I wait there in the room, in the dark room. There's smoke everywhere. And my first meeting with John McAfee, he comes out the door. The guards are like, shh, because you're being recorded all the time. It's a very paranoid environment. and John McAfee comes out and he's got this salt pepper hair with the blonde tips and crazy beard. And he comes out and he immediately tells me to go outside with him. And we go out and he takes me into the middle of the field and he says, you know, he looks at me and turns his face towards me with his eyes.

2:21:51He had these crazy crystal blue eyes. He was like, who's the most feared man on the battlefield? And I'm like, God, I got to play this freaking game, you know, just to get paid. I'm like, I don't know, sir. And he's like, the oldest man. And I'm like, it's kind of cheesy, but kind of true, you know? And, uh, yeah, but when he said that, John, I said, when he said that, Sean, I was like, you know, I'm just going to take his freaking word for it. You know what? I'm going to just go all in and play the game. If John McPhee says that he got raped by aliens last night, I'm abducted and whatever. I'm going to take his word for it.

2:22:30So that's the attitude I have. And that really worked out for me well, because nobody else was taking him serious around him. And this guy was a genius. And I already kind of knew that. And I knew he was playing games with these guys. And so he was like a mad scientist genius guy. He was incredible. He put me through tests. What kind of tests? He put the very first night, remember, they're moving around. They're playing this crypto market, talking about making money with their pistols on, drinking. It's loud. Who are these other guys? Some of them are ex-Green Berets, Rangers. I think maybe a couple of them lied about their background.

2:23:22They said they were whatever, and I was like, yeah, okay. And they don't know who I am. And John McAfee texts me on my phone and says, hey, you're the only one I trust. Even if it's not true, he texts me, you're the only one I trust. I don't trust anybody. I don't even trust my own wife, Janice. He goes, I need you to be my eyes and ears. And that's what he tells me outside as well well that night i wake up and i go to bed with my pistol on my side right here not my finger on the trigger but on my with my loosely holding this that 40 shield and i wake up and i see this like demon standing over me like on the bed it is john mcfee staring down on me straddled me with his feet on the bed and i'm like sunken in yeah and he's like he's like looking down at me.

2:24:09And I have that gun and I pointed at him. I'm going to kill this guy. And he's like, are you with me, son? Are you with me? And I'm like, I'm with you, sir. He goes, let's go. He jumped off the bed. We went upstairs. We stare out this glass at this window at night and we're staring out into the night. And there's, he says, do you see it? And everybody's like, where, where, where? He's got binoculars at night. And he's just, we're staring there for like, You know, in the snipers, you can sit there behind glass forever. But it's freaking boring, terribly boring. But John McAfee, he says, do you see it to a guy?

2:24:49And this guy was an ex-Ranger or whatever. He grabbed the binoculars and he looked. He goes, yeah, yeah, I see it. It's flashing lights. John McAfee says, you see it, right? Yeah, it's flashing lights. And he goes, I see it. And then John McAfee looks at me and he goes, take a look. You see him? And I'm looking and I can't see anything, Sean. And I just, I know that nothing's there. And, but everything in my body tells me, just say, yeah. Yeah, I see the lights too. You know what I mean? Because you could tell guys were playing off of his paranoia. And man, I thought, you know what? I'm going to get fired, but I'm just going to tell the truth.

2:25:27I'm just going to be straight up. And so I just straight up was like, sir, I believe you, but I don't see lights. I don't. And he was like, are you fucking kidding me? Are you fucking? He goes, they're right there. And I said, sir, I know. I just don't see him. The next day, he comes out with an envelope of cash. I could see envelope in the opening, and I know that it's for me to fire me because I know I'm done after that because it's real awkward. He walks outside. He hands me this envelope of cash, and he goes, go give this to that guy that said there was a light out there last night. He goes, go fire him.

2:26:00He goes, there was no light. He goes, good job. He walked back in. and I knew right then and there he was playing major head games with everybody. Why is he wasting his time playing head games? I don't know. I don't know, Sean. I think it was a mix of alcohol, certain drugs maybe, his own paranoia, and then actual some truth behind it. some truth to, because later on, as we were moving six times in two years, we would see - Six times in two years? Six times we would move. Kind of like an Airbnb situation. But one of the times he literally left his entire, he had museum relics that belong in the Spisodian Institute.

2:26:53He literally would say, are you with me, son? and I would be like, yes, sir, I'm with you. And he would say, okay, grab your bag. We're going. And I was like, sir, what about your house? What about this museum? There's a 2 ,500-year-old Buddha doll. There's a samurai, you know, the big head stuff. I mean, crazy stuff. And he said, leave it. He said, where are you going to go with that, Jimmy? You going to take it with us? He said, we don't need it. And he would just literally leave. He left that whole house in Lexington, Tennessee with freaking relics in it. Wow. Never to return. He said, sell it.

2:27:37He said, try to sell it or something. Dirt cheap, whatever. Sheesh. He had zero attachments to things or people, and that's what made him so dangerous because he had no, he owed nobody. Interesting.

2:28:03What are you thinking this whole time? How much time had passed? So you meet him in Lexington, Tennessee. Yeah. How much time were you there for? About will. Standing over in the middle of the night. Standing over at me. Running through these weird tests. Running me through these tests with money and stuff. Sometimes he overpays me, and I tell him he overpaid me. He goes, I don't need it. The next time, he grabs it from my hand. He goes, that's what I thought. You know, like the honesty game. At one point, I'm like, sir, don't you need my credentials? I mean, I was kind of proud of my career, having to fight and stay in like that and still have honorable on there.

2:28:39He goes, I don't need your DD-214. You can create that out of nothing. He goes, but give me your passport. And I was like, that's pretty wise. So I gave him my passport. He checked my passport, stuff like that. He was always doing weird stuff. He was a pretty smart guy. And the second, so I'm there for about a year. But during this time, I also asked him, like one of the first days I'm there, he's got bags all by his door, these suitcases. On the second day that I'm there, and I said, sir, are you leaving somewhere? I was hoping we would leave somewhere. Besides Lexington, he said, well, Trump and Hillary were in that race against each other.

2:29:21You know, Hillary was kind of about to win it. He goes, if Hillary won, I was about to leave the country. I said, why? And this is when I started to realize that we had so close similarities. And I think this is why I became so close with John McAfee, like a son almost, is because we had so many similarities in our stories with the DOJ and corruption. And he goes, Jimmy, he goes, I have information, terabytes of information on, and he named her, and he named three or four other people in the DOJ that I knew about, that if I said their name right now, you'd say, oh, yeah, I know. He goes, and a bunch of other politicians.

2:30:08And he goes, I have horrible, horrible stuff on these people. I have terrible stuff on them. And I didn't know what to believe at the time, Sean, but because of my situation and how the FBI had lied to my commander with the memo, I knew, and he put those guys in prison from Blackwater, I knew that they were capable of anything. And so he tells me he has three terabytes of information or a bunch of information on Hillary and others. Well, a couple days later, he brings out an envelope with these hard drives in it and a bunch of cash. He says, we're going to Miami. We go to Miami, me and him, in the group.

2:30:51And he hands it off to two guys in a cafe, the cash in the hard drives. He says, I didn't see the hard drives, but he said this is an envelope, a big envelope in the cash. He gives it to these two guys. He walks out and he said, son, I'll never forget, Sean. He said, son, if anything ever happens to me, I did not kill myself. And that information on all these people is going to be released. I later understood this as the dead man. So everybody kept talking about the dead man switch. Here I am having been part of it, didn't even know what it was. But so supposedly these two guys had this information, and they were supposed to release it if anything happened to John McAfee, as crazy as that sounds.

2:31:37What was in there? You know? I don't know. He said horrible, disgusting, terrible stuff. And now that we have seen the Epstein stuff, it feels like kind of along those lines. But I don't know for sure. I'm not going to sit here and say otherwise, you know. Let's take a quick break. I've always used power banks when I'm traveling, filming, or running long days. But most of them still leave you carrying extra cords, adapters, and wall blocks. Ridge solves that problem in one clean setup with their 5-in-1 travel power bank. You've got MagSafe wireless charging, an Apple Watch charger, lightning, and USB-C, so every way you need to charge is built into one device.

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2:34:15So we're talking about how paranoid he is. Right. From the get-go, he's running through all these games. Right. Which I kind of get, but on the other hand, I don't. Well, he was a brilliant tactician. And the thing that I always say with John is everything he said always came true. It's outlandish and crazy as it sounds. He would tell these wild stories, but it ended up coming true. So after a while, you're just like, maybe this guy's on to something. Maybe I'm crazy. Maybe I don't know anything. But I had an inclination to lean towards John with his stories because of my terrible experience with the FBI, knowing that they would destroy your life if they could.

2:35:02Why is he so paranoid, though? Well, so John was saying that bugs were in people's computers in the 70s. Can you imagine that? And everybody laughing at you all the time. He said, Jimmy, people used to laugh at me. And I would tell them there's bugs in your computer. And you don't know it. And people laugh. And then he came up with a solution. Well, Napoleon said, you know, you want to be a great leader, point out a problem and then provide the solution. So maybe perhaps John McAfee created the problem and then provided the solution, created the bug, and then created the antivirus. Or perhaps he provided just the solution.

2:35:41But keep in mind, John McAfee was working on the Apollo mission. He had letters of commendation from Colin Powell. uh thanking him for his work on the patriot missiles intercepting the scuds uh during the storm so he had a bunch of defense second thank you for oh yeah thank you for your donation of computers he was always donating the government all the kinds of computers and then spying on the government so he had all this information this is true stuff this is not conspiracy and he would donate computers to the government donating computers to the government now remember i remember a programmer once tried to correct mcafee on something he always had these genius programmer weirdos around him you got to be a real weirdo if you're an excellent programmer and he had these guy that one of the programmers tried to correct him he said but but john mcafee this, this.

2:36:41And John McAfee looked at him and said, silence. And he said, you don't understand that I was programming computers the size of your house before you were born. So don't speak to me unless I speak to you, okay? Everybody's like, damn. Like he was programming computers the size, you know, computers used to be massive. There's pictures of him, you know, with this big, you know, the big, and he was, he was a big proponent in iMessaging. McAfee kind of, So McAfee antivirus overshadows all the real cool stuff he did. He was a big proponent in our iMessaging today. He invented a lot of stuff. Really?

2:37:20He was an apple? Yeah, he was good friends with Steve Jobs, real good friends with Steve Jobs. He was good friends with Bill Gates, except he said he would rather nail his toe to the floor and starve to death than have another dinner with Bill Gates. He was so boring. I guess they didn't see him on Epstein Island, huh? Yeah, exactly. And I guarantee you McAfee wasn't on the Epstein Island. You don't think so? McAfee had a dark side, but I believe that McAfee was tremendously against the abuse of people and especially animals. And I think when you're so against the abuse of animals, it is a childhood inner thing going on where you're protective over human beings, too.

2:38:13Like he would rough me up sometimes. He slapped me once, like hard, boom, after a business decision I made, stuff like that. But he was real caring of his animals. And remember, John McAfee was accused of murdering his neighbor in Belize. And so he goes on the run, and he escaped the Belizean government. And so that's when I meet up with him, right after he comes back from being on the run from the Belizean government. You meet up with him after that? Right after that. What's the story with that? Well, John McAfee literally took me in like a son. And part of maybe his grooming towards me, I don't know, he was calling me intelligent.

2:38:53And this is the first time I ever hear this, Sean. And so I go from hanging myself last year in the worst of the worst dungeon like Joseph to in charge of his entire empire and to the CEO of his company because I'm just running everything. And I'm sorry, I didn't hear your question. I was going somewhere. Doesn't matter. Keep going. Yeah. And so. Oh, the story with the dogs. Oh, so John got to, you know, that three can keep a secret if two are dead thing. Like everybody wants to tell their story or their secrets and they have to. And so, but John McAfee was the only one with these secrets. So who does he tell?

2:39:35Not Janice, maybe Janice, but for me. Who's Janice? His wife. But for me, he would get me, he would start to drink and he would come sit next to me or he'd just start telling me stories, dark stories about how he killed his father. He killed his father. Yes. And the way he describes it, I guarantee you he did. I don't doubt him. How did he kill him? Why did he kill him? Well, he comes from an Irish descent, and his dad was from War II, had PTSD, had seen some real bad stuff in War II. And his dad would drink and beat his mom and beat him. And this goes into the neighbor story, I believe. why I think it's possible.

2:40:26But John was shaking one time. He had red bloodshot eyes. And he was shaking, you know, drinking. And he leaned into me, and he was like tears. And he said, son, he goes, my grandpa was a good man. But my dad, he was a terrible man. He would beat me. He goes, one time he made me put my arm out on the table. And he hit me with a billy club. And he cracked my arm in half. And he said he beat my mom, son. He'd be my mom. And I'd say, I'm sorry, sir. Like, I wouldn't know what to say. You know, I'd just sit there and listen. And he would just pour this stuff out. And he said, my grandpa, though, was a good man.

2:41:04And he taught me how to use a.22 long rifle. And he said he taught me weapon safety. He taught me how to cross a fence with a long rifle. And he showed me how, you know, and he showed me how to accuracy shooting. And he said he gave me this.22, Jim. and he says, but I watched my dad beat my mom over and over and he put her in the hospital one time. And so I came up to him and I said, I said, you touch mom again, I'm going to kill you. He goes, do you understand me? And it's very important to realize that John McAfee, one time in a business negotiation, I said, why don't you bluff him, sir? And he grabbed me, he said, you never bluff.

2:41:45He goes, there's a no bluff policy. He had a no bluff policy. He never bluffed nobody. If he said it, it was happening, 100%. And so he said that he told his dad that if he touched his mom one more time, he was going to kill him. And his dad beat him for that, and he took the beating hard. And he said the next time he put his mom in the hospital again, he said he went in the back room, he picked up the long rifle. He said he walked down the hallway and his dad was shaving with a razor, straight razor in the mirror with the shaving cream still on his face. His dad saw him in the mirror and he said, what the hell are you going to do with that boy?

2:42:27And John raised the rifle and pulled the trigger right behind his head. And he just dropped the rifle and ran out. And he just slumped over on the ground. and he said his neighbor came out and said, John, what have you done? And he goes, I just killed my dad. He goes, I just killed my dad. He just kept repeating it. And he said, stay here. And his neighbor ran in there. Now, keep in mind, his neighbor has been hearing all this abuse. They had real tight houses back in England. He was born in 1945 in England. But so he's in there about 10 minutes, and he comes out, and he grabs John. He says, John, the police are coming.

2:43:08He says, you did not kill your dad. He killed himself. Do you understand me? And he slapped John around. And John said, no, I did. He goes, no, you did not. And that was that. And the sad part about the story is John's own mother abandoned him after that because she knew what he had done for her. But her loyalty was with his father. So John was very capable of dealing out death and not having much hope in humanity and trust from his background. So what's the dog story? He loved his dog Tequila, the pit bull Tequila, and these two canines. He had dogs before this in Belize, right before I met him.

2:44:06I didn't know any of this at the time, but I knew there was rumor that he had killed. That was the big thing was that the neighbor poisoned John McAfee's dogs. And then the neighbor ends up getting shot in the back of the head with a shotgun. And everybody kind of thought, figured it was McAfee. McAfee, of course, said, no, it wasn't me. But one day we came back home. and one of the guards kind of shoved the dog, like kind of kicked the dog. And John McFersey said, you know what happens to people who are hurt by dogs, right? And he looked at me and he said, you understand? And I said, I understand, sir.

2:44:45Like, I understand. So he was telling me, like, without telling me, I'll kill you, you know, if you mess with my dogs. Shit. And so you meet him right after this? I met him right after this. and, you know, John, he would donate a fire truck. He was brilliant. He would donate a fire truck to each town that we went to and each town that he lived in before me, too. And I said, sir, why do you donate a fire truck? He said, son, he said, you don't ever donate to the police because it seems like bribery. He goes, but what you do to win the town over is you donate a fire truck. He goes, if you donate a fire truck, you can do anything in that town that you want to, and nobody will ever say a damn word to you.

2:45:33And I said, okay. So he would donate a firetruck. And then he said, and then something else about McAfee, he treated everybody equal. If you were a bum on the street, you might as well be a billionaire to him, a billionaire bum, didn't matter. So everybody was level to him. He didn't see color. His wife is a very well-known prostitute from Miami that was super black woman. She's a very, very dark skin color woman, Very, very dark. So he was colorblind. He didn't see color. He didn't judge. He kind of knew you before you even spoke. Like one time he said, son, come here. And I sat down across from him and he looked deep in my eyes and he said, son, he said, you're a lost ship in the dark, abysmal night at sea.

2:46:23And he painted this dark picture. and I started kind of shaking and started, it hit me hard. This guy barely knew me, by the way. This is kind of in the beginning. And he went in this big explanation, how was this lost ship in the night floating around in the sea? And it hit me hard and it kind of made me emotional, triggered me. And he goes, how do I know? Because I was asking him, how do I know? And he finished my sentence. He goes, how do I know? And I said, yes. And he said, because I am that lost ship. and so I had whether it was through manipulation or whatever he he got me by the I mean I would have done anything for McAfee after what I went through he pulled me out of hell I thought and gave me everything Bentley both houses everything you can imagine was in my name which at the time I thought was amazing, but he put everything in my name.

2:47:25And I was making, I mean, just an unbelievable amount of money. And so all of a sudden, I go from the dungeon to the palace in charge. I got my own guards. Not that I need them, really, but I'm with McAfee, and I'm the boss. They're calling me boss, and I'm like, don't call me boss, and McAfee reprimands me for that. And so he's like, don't ever correct somebody if they call you boss. What are you, stupid? He goes, they call you boss, you're boss. He goes, there can only be one in charge, Jimmy. And so he made me in charge. He goes, I'm retiring. I'm out. You're going to do that. Because he taught me everything in a very short period of time.

2:48:07It was very stressful. He taught me all about crypto and this and this and this and negotiating. But his negotiations were non-negotiable. So it was the easiest negotiation. I would just sit down with the Russians, some Russian olgarchs that wanted to do a major crypto deal. And they would come out with their vodka and girls. I'd say, save it, save it, save it. I said, we don't need that. It's just, here are the terms. And they're, no, no, no, but drink. And I'd say, we can drink. We can do cocaine. We can party with your girls all night. But the terms are the terms. It's non-negotiable. And they'd be like, who does this?

2:48:41Back fee. It needs to be paid every 24 hours. however you want to pay him. Wire Bitcoin, Ethereum, every 24 hours. And if the payment doesn't go through, it's over. The deal's over. He was charging$100 ,000 a tweet. $100 ,000 a tweet. He had a million followers on Twitter and 75 % of them did what he said to do like this. So can you imagine the power you have in crypto? So you name the coin of the day. The coin of the day is Doge. The Doge price rockets. He makes$3 or$4 million. I make a couple hundred thousand in one day. Shit. The coin of the day is red coin. It goes up 100%, 200%. And then it falls back down.

2:49:31And so I wasn't in this at first, Sean. And then I thought, what the hell am I doing? John McAfee didn't coerce me into this. I said, sir, how do I do this? He goes, son, don't ever ask for advice about this business. He goes, just do it. And so I started doing it on my own. I was picking out the coins. I was doing everything for him. He was looking for a certain volume, a certain mass. And his crypto traders were like, don't listen to Jimmy. He don't know what the hell is going on. He doesn't know about math. He doesn't know the numbers. He doesn't know about crypto. and John would tell me this.

2:50:14And he'd say, Jimmy, what do you say? Are you sure about red coin? Are you sure about Doge, these coins? And I'd say, sir, it has nothing to do about math. That's where you messed up. And he'd say, how dare you? I was a mathematician and all this. And he goes, and all my crypto traders are saying that you're wrong on this coin pick. How's it going to shoot? I said, you don't understand. You have the power and influence to move this and you don't realize it. I said, so you can go with me? And I was risking everything, Sean. He goes, I got$2 million on this. Are you sure? And he would go against his crypto traders and go with my word and the price would shoot up because it wasn't me.

2:50:53It was his power and influence. And I figured the numbers, and I was taking chances a little risky too. Well, I was making him millions. And so now Now I become like his closest confidant, his lucky charm, his Irish luck thing. I have Irish in me. I mean, he luck and we're both like, he's like, Jimmy's my piece of, and he's my protection. Now he won't even go to sleep without me around. And now I'm like, where's his wife at? With him in the room. But I would sleep real close to his door with the door cracked open. And or, but it was dangerous too, because he could shoot through the walls. He would shoot through the door.

2:51:39It was a really dangerous environment. Shot through the glass one night. He would just shoot? Just randomly? Random shit. Just randomly shoot the wall? Office pop. Yeah. Just why? In the middle of the night, he said somebody was coming in his room.

2:51:55People, one time he took the shotgun and ran outside and just blasted underneath the house with slugs. Well, my room was the basement, and my wife at the time was in there. And I'm thinking, I'm going to get my girl killed here. This is a horribly dangerous environment, super volatile. So long story short, Sean, the only time, so I'm running his entire business. He's taught me everything, and I'm like his lucky charm, his son. We move into a mansion called the Love Boat because it was done after the Love Boat series. It's a mansion that looks like a ship in a weird way. And it just has an elevator, beautiful.

2:52:38And it was on the Ocracoke Sound where Blackbeard used to evade the British Man of Warships in the shallows. It overlooked the sound. My office was huge. It was like this room right here. It had big glass looking over the sound. And I used to read about Blackbeard and the British Man of Warships in the shallows when I was a kid. And here I am, come from West Texas. Now I'm running the whole McAfee empire. I've got so much money. I've got money. I got money I don't even know what to do with. And now I go from that seal with a handgun, not drinking, to doing blow, speed up through a nasal spray.

2:53:18I'm doing everything and anything all the time and running this company. but I'm starting to get paranoid like him. I'm starting to lose touch with reality. Why are you getting paranoid? Probably because I was, you know, Adderall is probably one of the worst freaking drugs out there. I tell you, you stay up for three days and don't sleep. You know when you don't sleep for long periods of times, you start talking to your boots. And I think that played into McAfee staying up night after night. You start having chaotic episodes. I was crushing up Adderall. I was taking all kinds of stuff. His crypto traders were always having big piles of cocaine and girls everywhere.

2:54:04We were flying to Ibiza. We were partying everywhere, partying with Russian oligarchs on their private jet planes. He was keynote speaker at a lot of places. He would go for free because the business that we would pick up there, and I would work while we were on these cruises and travel. I would have a line of 10, 15 businesses on the cruise waiting to speak to me at the table. And I just sat there, drank, and gave the terms, and I was getting 20%, 30 % of it. Jeez. Yeah. So he was a wild, he was partier, wild man. He would not do drugs in front of anybody. So I, to be honest, I never saw him do drugs, Sean.

2:54:49It was almost like he was ashamed to do that in front of me. Like as like a dad figure. I know that sounds weird. And if he caught me doing it, he would have slapped me around. But we both knew that it was going on in the same house. You know? How many places did you guys move? I think we moved 6.1 to... Okay, five times. Where would you move? Where'd you go from Tennessee? Tennessee to Ocracoke. Ocracoke to Frisco to Ocracoke, back to Frisco, all along the North Carolina coast there in the love mansion, the love boat. And so the only time I leave Janice, and this is when it gets weird, there's people visiting all the time.

2:55:35There's weirdos visiting all the time. There's the guys that look like they're working for the CIA visiting. You know, like people that just don't like get a suit and they go out in the field and talk for a long time with their hands like this. And I don't know if it's that he's involved in the mom, the Irish mom. I don't know. I don't know what's going on. His uncle Carl was a major player for the Irish mom. We visited him and his office. He did time. He did two years in a fed and the feds never ratted him out. So he was a main man after that. And so the only time I ever left John McAfee was one time, and it was to take Janice, his wife, to the airport.

2:56:22She was going to go see her brother that was in prison, that was in a coma. He was beat to death in a coma in prison. And she was really hurt about that and in shock. John said, I trust you to take her, but please come back as soon as possible, obviously. and he had anxiety. And Jenna said, why don't you have one of the other guards take me? Leave Jimmy here with you so he can be at peace. He said, no, I want Jimmy to take you because you're a wife. So I took him, I took her to the airport in Virginia. I drive back as fast as I can. I get back to the love boat mansion and the doors open. It's just an eerie feeling.

2:57:03I go in, and it's hot. I'm like, what the hell? And I'm like, where's the guards? And one of the guards is super bright red. He's been out on the boat all day. I said, where is the boss, the real boss? He's like, he's in bed. I said, what are y 'all doing? Y 'all been drinking or what? He's like, we were out on the boat all day. I said, okay. And so I go to his room, John McAfee's room, and I'm cautious because you don't want to get shot. So in the fatal funnel, the threshold, So I walk up on the side, and the door's cracked open. I crack it open, and he's butt naked on the bed. He's brought out like this, just snoring, sleeping, but heavy.

2:57:40I said, what the hell? So I kind of just go like this, and I go lay down on the couch. And I slept right in front of his door on the couch, and he would always bust through that door at 6 a.m. in the morning. 6 a.m. in the morning comes around, nothing. I'm like, oh, thank God I can sleep a little bit. 8 a.m. comes around, nothing. I go, oh, man, something's wrong. I get up. I go over the door, and it's closed this time. It was open. It's closed. Somebody closed it. I go, and I open it, and he's still in the same position, but he's black and blue, like dead, like in making noises like this. He was like, like rhythmic noises.

2:58:21And I'm like, Sean, I had it freaked out in battle. I was oddly comfortable in war, weirdly comfortable. But that right there, I don't know why, I freaked out. I screamed. I panicked. He was covered in urine, black and blue, gasping. I knew it was over. I put my hands under him, 220 pounds. It was the heaviest lift I've ever done off of a soft bed, like onto the ground. I just fell back on me. And then I started doing CPR, screaming to the guards. The guards were not coming up. And finally, I got the guards to call the medics. And they life-flighted him out. And he goes on a ventilator, life support, for three days.

2:59:14And the whole time, I'm just holding his hand. And I'm praying to God. I'm like, God, please, please don't let John McAfee die. Please don't let him die. I don't even know what to do if he would die. Like, what would happen? And the doctors come in and say, listen, it's over. He's pretty much dead.

2:59:38Even if he does live, it looks like he's going to be brain dead. And the first thought that came to my mind was, man, what a tragedy. This guy was this incredible storyteller. He knew Mandarin Chinese, Russian. He could do it in 18th century poetry. He could say it in different languages. He could destroy interviewers and all kinds of stuff. He had all kinds of tricks. And here he is dying or dead with a ventilator. This machine. His hands are tied like this, kind of like that, from grabbing the tube. And I hold his hand for three days and three nights, pretty much. And I'm praying. And on the third day, the doctors are like, we didn't find anything in him.

3:00:27No drugs, nothing but a little trace amount of THC. They said, do you know what happened, Jimmy? Please tell us if you know something. I said, I don't know anything. Of course, I'm going to say that. But I really didn't know anything. I knew he was snorting like nootropics and weird different stuff, like different stuff. But they couldn't explain why he was like that. They didn't find any drugs in the system except for the THC. So on the third day, he starts to kick and growl.

3:01:02And I can see his hands. This is the worst case situation for a guy like John McAfee to be in this situation with his hands tied. because he's like anti all of this. And he's motioning to, I finally understand he's motioning to write something. So I put a marker in his hand. I loosen his hands up and he writes, I'm going to kill you. And scribble big. Yeah. I'll kill you. Like that. And I said, sir. I said, sir, it's not me. I swear I didn't kill you. It can't be me. I said, I went to, I'm trying to explain my situation to John and he's dying, you know. I'm like, sir, I don't know what happened to you.

3:01:44Okay. But I took Janice to the airport. I came back and found you like this. He's angry. He's so freaking mad, Sean. He's, he's just, you could tell he's growling and growling. And, and Janice gets there finally back from California. And, and I said, Janice, I think he thinks I tried to kill him or somebody did one of the guards. He's pissed. He's going to do something crazy if he ever gets out of here. And so Janice demands, Janice believes that John is telling her to take out the ventilator. And so Janice goes to the doctors and says, you better take that ventilator out of him. Now, keep in mind, he's been out for three days and three nights.

3:02:27And now he's all of a sudden moving around. They said, if we take that out, it's over for him. 90 % chance his lungs are going to collapse. And so she basically said she's going to sue him. And I didn't want to take it out even. I was like, golly, listen to him, man, because it was so devastating. After long story short, they go ahead and they take it out. I'll never forget the sounds he made, and they took it out. He was coughing up so much terrible stuff, infection and weird. And within a couple hours, he's like, give me a deck of cards. He wants to do his card tricks. He's got crazy tricks, you know, where he can just show you.

3:03:04He can name any card and show it to you. Name any card. pulled tricks. He was crazy. So when we get back to the house, Sean, I asked him, because I'm curious. I'm real curious all the time. I'm like, sir, did you see anything? Did you see anything when you were out like that? And he looked at me abruptly and he said, don't ever ask me that again. He was scared. He had experienced something in that three days that he didn't want to talk about. But later on, he called me in his room and he said, son, I was flying at light speed across the ocean floor. Now, keep in mind, John McAfee, I don't know if you want to call him an atheist.

3:03:47He did not believe in God whatsoever. Nothing. He said, I was flying over the ocean floor at light speed. He said, in every dark color in the world, the blacks, the browns, the grays, even dark purple and red, in blood red was in the water. Every dark color you can imagine. He says, and out of this water, as I'm going light speed across the ocean, he said, these hands and these tortured faces came out of the water and up at him like they were coming from hell and pulling him down. And he said he was being pulled into this. He said it was scary, son. He said it was real scary. He said, but then all of a sudden, he said, out of this corner of eye.

3:04:29He said, every most beautiful color you could ever imagine in your life was in the sky. The turquoise, the pinks, the beautiful, you know, all the light colors up there. He says, and there was a white cloud, this bright white cloud. He said it had opened up as he was going right down into the ocean abyss. He says that right when it was opening up, a voice said, come here. It's time. And he knew that it was time for his judgment. Keep in mind, he doesn't know God or anything. He said, but I knew son, that I was about to be judged. And my whole life was about to be judged. He said, and I screamed.

3:05:11He goes, it wasn't the hands that scared me. It wasn't the hell that scared me. It was the judgment that scared me. He goes, and I screamed and he goes, that's when I woke up and I was looking at you. Shit.

3:05:31He told you this in the hospital? Yeah. No, he told me this when we got back. He didn't say anything at the hospital. He told me never to ask him again.

3:05:43So what wound up convincing him that you didn't try to kill him? Janice had to talk to him a long time. And she said, just logically think about it, John. Jimmy took me to the airport. And when he got back, you're... And I told him my part of the story. And he chose to believe me. He chose to believe it. But it shook me up real bad. Do you think somebody tried to kill him? He believes that somebody tried to kill him. He said that there was a prick in his toe when he put his shoe on, and that was a way that espionage, the guys that got killed before assassinated, is they poisoned a little thing in his shoe or whatever.

3:06:31But that's about it. There was no explanation for what happened to him, and I thought that was freaking weird. The chances and coincidence of me being gone that day and then coming back and he's like that, that's pretty far out there. That's pretty, you know, wild. How many times did you been with him when he thought somebody was trying to kill him or was it just all the time? All the time. He always thought somebody was after him. We would have cars circle the house a lot, the same cars. We would run their tags. We were always counter surveillance. There was weird stuff. People, I mean, weird shit would happen.

3:07:20And like, I admit it. And I was not, I was very, I come kind of from a background of like logic, thinking logically, not conspiracy. So for me, it was like, I always kind of was like doubting, but I was like, no, that was weird. That was freaking weird. Like there was to be a guy with a full-blown camera, like you're in the movies and he's spying on you, like obvious with a full-blown camera, like across the parking lot, taking pictures, and then see us and then run and jump in a car and go. That's freaking weird. It sounds like a movie and it's weird, right? Like almost too obvious, too. So what happens when he gets better?

3:07:58Does he get back on his feet? Gets back on his feet. Uncle Carl has told him to. The only guy he'd ever listened to was Uncle Carl, the mob guy. And Uncle Carl told him, you've been drinking? And John McFrey said, yes, sir. And Uncle Carl said, cut your drinking in half and your smoking in half. And he said, yes, sir. And he did. He cut it to one bottle a day of scotch and one pack of cigarettes. He was at two. So he cut everything in half, but things are just getting out of control and spiraling out of control for me and John. I'm doing all this business. I'm up all the time. I'm just running off of fumes, Sean.

3:08:34And it's extremely not healthy. Me and my girl, our connection is non-existent. I'm thinking, I'm providing the best life in the world for you. I used to yell that at her. I'm providing everything for you. There's nothing that you don't have. Nothing. Name it. You have Bitcoins. You have this. But there was no connection. There was no dates, not even mini golf. I could go out. I had too much stuff going on, no balance off my rocker. And I was going to pay for that. And, uh, so, uh, John McAfee, um, basically has given me everything and, uh, and it's all about to come crashing down on me real hard.

3:09:23And so one night, basically one night. What was he meeting with all the mobsters about? You're talking about the Russian mob, the Irish mob, all these people. What would he meet with? I mean, he's a software antivirus guy. He just had, well,

3:09:41one of the famous guys for Whitey Bulger, who's in a lot of the recordings the FBI took, He was there at the house as part of our security, and he had a direct relation to John McAfee, like his nephew. And then Uncle Carl had direct connection to the Whitey Bulger and the writer's mob, being their lawyer. And he didn't snitch out. He didn't rat out what he was caught up, and he had to do two years for him. So when he got out, he became a super prominent lawyer. And so there was all these weird connections all the time and people coming over to the house. The Russians were always wanting to do big deals with crypto.

3:10:28They were willing to do anything for that shit. I had a guy trying to give me$400 ,000 just to tell him the coin of the day. And I brought him to McAfee and said, tell McAfee what you just told me. I was pretty loyal to a fault.

3:10:48So continue, continue on. So basically, I'm sitting there one night, Sean, and I don't know if it was God or I don't know what happened. I just basically was sitting there in the middle of this beautiful office. I had all this stuff, and I just kind of stopped writing, stopped doing my stuff, and I just stopped. And I kind of felt like it's over. Like I just knew it was over. It's like, you know it's over, right? I heard that. like you know it's over right and i was like yeah and uh of course how reliable is this information based off of what i just said about doing adderall and being up all the time but i really felt in that moment uh a voice tell me to just get out get out of the house you know it's over and so maybe it was running off my paranoia maybe i had turned into a little a little mini mcafee but I just ran from the house.

3:11:44I just took my shit and ran, bro. I left the gold. I left all my silver. I left everything and ran. And I just left and went back to Texas for three days out in the woods. I needed to separate and get out of there because I started to become delusional. I started, he made it such a horrendous, terrible environment to live in that you didn't know what was truth and what was real and what was, he had electronic shit everywhere. I'd come in and my drawers were undone. I came in one day, I'm in a freaking arrow, as weird as this is, was, had been shot through the window laying in my room, like a message.

3:12:30I'm Googling what does Aerobean. There's always something. There's a big things. And I just look over and there's a big thing plugged into the wall in my room, electronic thing. One day he calls me in, John calls me and he goes, look at this, son. And I looked and I never went into his bedroom, but he called me into his bedroom and I looked at his phone and it was like live streaming everybody's text messages live on his phone. It would be like if you had your personal phone show and show me and all your people here where you could see all their personal messages. He's sitting there watching this shit?

3:13:11Yes. And he showed me and he just showed me briefly and he goes, what do you think? And I said, sir. I said, I am so sorry. Because I was probably talking shit like this old bastard going to run me into the ground. I said, I'm sorry, sir, if I said anything bad. He said, it's okay. Holy shit. So, I mean, what do you do with that? Like, it's not just some crazy old man. It's somebody with unbelievable skills. And you asked me earlier, Sean, like, why would he do all this? If you're so brilliant like John McAfee was, I think he looks at it as a game. And he's bored or something. And so he wants to create just a world of chaos around him and manipulation and plants.

3:14:04Because people would come over and say stuff to me like, Jimmy, you know that if John McAfee dies, there's a million dollars cash under his sink, right? And if he dies, let's not call the ambulance. Let's just me and you go and grab it. I'd snatch him up so fast for saying that. Like, was it a test? Like, at one point, I felt like, you know, I had never done LSD, by the way, until I met my girl now. Sorry to put on a blast, but we, when I was on the run, I met Anastasia, my Moscow Russian beautiful princess, you know, And we went on this hiatus of LSD and different mushrooms and all these things.

3:14:52And the festivals and Copan got everywhere, me and her. And during that time, the only other time I had felt like what I felt like with her at the festival was when I was McAfee. And I remember I had a horrible trip for three days. Like something crazy happened to me. And I thought I had a big paranoid. I thought I had a big PTSD thing happen. I could hear machine guns, people walking around, like a big firefight around me. And I came back, and McAfee was like, son, it's okay. It's okay. And he had these three or four big pills that he told me were for reversing horrible trips and stuff. And he gave them to me.

3:15:32He said, take these. Take them. Take them. And he said, drink this, a big thing of scotch. And I took it, and I was okay after that. And I said, don't fuck with me again, man. I said, sir, you're fucking with the wrong guy. Like, I don't know what you did to me or why you would do that to me. And then I saw a documentary later on that he had drugged women and stuff. And so I'm like, he would never do that to me like that, like drug me like I pass out. But it was like he was pressing me. Why do you think he would do that? I think he was so untrusting, so paranoid that he had to test me all the time.

3:16:14I walked out of the house with my little dog, Tookie, Chihuahua, to walk outside. I walked out just for a five-minute break, Sean. I come back. This is at the big love boat mansion. I'm walking back, brother, and the neighbor starts walking towards me. I look at her and I say, stop right there. Don't come close to me. Don't come close to me. Don't walk towards me. I'm telling you don't. And she's like, no, I have a letter for you. And I said, I don't want it. I'm not going to accept it. We're not allowed to accept Mel here. We don't accept Mel. We don't get sued. We don't answer it in no court, nothing ever.

3:16:48You wrap your phones in foil. She goes, it's your freaking bill for your lawn. You're not paying your lawn bill for Hernandez or whatever. And so I said, okay, give it to me. I grab it for him real quick. I go upstairs and McAfee is just, he's got his hand on his gun. He's just like pissed at me, red bloodshot eyes in my chair, my nice chair that he gave me that he would never sit in. He made that on purpose. But this time he's sitting on it on a power move. He's like, how fucking dare you, son? He goes, I trusted you with everything. And, you know, big drama. And I'm like, sir, calm down. Number one, you reached out to me.

3:17:29Number two, this is your bill. You got to pay your freaking bill. It's a$50 lawn bill. 50 bucks. Yeah, 50 bucks. And he's like, oh, shit. He's like, well, pay that, damn it. And I'm like, no, you pay it, sir. You want to kick me out of here? You want to fire me? None of this shit's going to get done anymore. I do everything. And so I would go back and forth with the banter a little bit, but not in a disrespectful way, but a little bit. But nobody else would dare do that. We had that kind of relationship at that point because he needed me and I needed him.

3:18:08And so I ended up leaving and I'm out on this farm for three days. Leaving as in you quit? Yeah, pretty much. I just left. And I call him back and I said, sir, I think I'm done. And I said, all I want is, you know, my 30 % you owe me that we agreed on. Because he was a deal. He's a man of his word, you know? No bluff. Man of your word. I said, all I want is that. He said, you left me holding the bags. You beat, you know, all this stuff. How dare you? He goes, I knew I couldn't trust you. I knew I couldn't trust you. And I was like, sir, let's stop all the games. Let's stop all the games. Like, you'll never, you never will trust me.

3:18:51and I never backstabbed you. I was loyal to the death for you, man. And you ran me into the ground. And now this is the fallout from it. So I just want my 30 % and be left gone. And he said, well, fuck you. You're not going to get your 30%. I said, okay. And so I got to think about it. I called him back and I said, hey, sir. I said, it took me about a day to come to terms because I wanted to think about it because it was real dangerous to mess with. Like you don't mess with a guy like a master chess player, like McAfee. And then it dawned on me, Sean, I said, wait a second. I hold all the cards.

3:19:29Everything is in my name. If he doesn't give me my little 30%, I don't want his shit, but I have way more leverage than him. And so I decided to get cocky. I drank some, I got some whiskey in me and I call him up. I said, Hey, sir. And he goes, what? I said, now you listen to me, son. He goes, oh, yeah? I said, yeah. I said, you listen to me. I said, you're going to do exactly what I tell you. And for the first time ever, I win. I said, you're smart, but you weren't this smart. And I said, now this is what you're going to do. I said, you're going to give me 30 % or I will freaking steamroll you into the ground with everything that I have of yours.

3:20:17All your property, everything is mine. And I said, do you understand me now? I'm treating him real bad. And he's like, are you done? And I said, yeah. He said, you know that beautiful little princess of yours? My ex-wife, which was my wife at the time. I said, yeah. He goes, she signed everything over to me, Jimmy. I said, shit. I said, how? He goes, you know what a power attorney is? And I said, all I can say is, well done. I said, well done, sir. I said, you the boss. Now I will do whatever you say. And he goes, now, now, now I'm going to do what I want to do. I'll give you your 30%. And he goes, but I'm going to take a little off for your little disrespectful phone call.

3:21:17Hey, you play big boy games? J.B. Bonney, J.B. Bonney, the bull rider said, you play the game, you better get ready to endure the pain. Shit. So betrayal. But I kind of had it coming, you know. I didn't have much to stand on. I didn't have much to fight back with. I didn't have a lot of leverage to fight back with. I couldn't say, how dare you? Of course I did. I called my wife at the time. And keep in mind, this is always and forever, forever, always, our quote, our passwords, everything. Always and forever, forever and always love you. This is a girl that I carried up the stairs in the SEAL teams when she broke her neck.

3:22:02And I wiped her ass and bathed her one hour of sleep at night as a TV. Did she know that? I mean. She totally, 100 % went behind my back and signed everything over to John McAfee. I forgive her. And I don't even, I don't have much room to blame her because I just totally like separated from her. Now, you don't do that to somebody, of course. But, and trust me, I had my fallouts. I had my crying and on the ground, biting the carpet, grimacing. And it was hell to lose everything overnight. Literally, quite literally, everything overnight. I went from extreme millionaire to zero. I mean, not zero, but...

3:22:54Pretty much. Not much. Not much when you have that much. And the betrayal. I said like I called my I'm not gonna name her but I said I called her I said how there's forget sitting there the betrayal of that I just I couldn't imagine like everything we've been through for seven years in this teams and going through what we went through the hanging and all and I said I I gave you everything and I was setting up a life for us you know I all those 23 hour days you know were for you you know um that's how my mind is to provide and And I said, why did you do it? She said, because it's his stuff. And I'm like, what the?

3:23:39Like she was like just like somebody like brainwashed her. Yeah. And that's what he did. He did that to people. He had that effect on people. It's over after he gets a hold of you. Wow. So later on, Sean, I find out that there was a reason why she did that. It was the payoff for her was Bitcoin. So she got a big payoff to sign everything over to him. And I played a game, and I lost at that one. It was a hell of a ride, you know? What happened to him? Huh? What happened to him? John? Yeah. Sorry. John McPhee goes on the run because he's already kind of on the run always anyways from himself. I'm at the ranch.

3:24:38I'm at back of my place. And I had a beautiful 15 acres in California, a prom real estate right in LA, right next to LA. Had a beautiful property. And I'm out there by myself. And I get a call, and it's from the FBI, the two agents. They say they are. They say, Jimmy. And I'm out there shooting lizards off of rocks with my.22 rifle. That's all I would do all day is shoot. That's the only thing that would take my mind off. I would just shoot the.22 rifle all day for days after that magazine. You know? Because I was in kind of a shock of what happened to me. It was total everything gone. My girl's gone.

3:25:15She won't even talk to me. She's like, oh, it's over. So she left with somebody. I don't know what happened. And just ghosted you. I'm talking like ghost, toast, everything. Like took care of it. I looked at the bank accounts. It would take a forensic auditor to go through that. It looked like 20 bank accounts she had opened up and money just going like this. And it happened real quick. And it was all set up. It was all like her little way to get out. sheesh but um like i said i don't i don't i don't have any ill will towards her i i kind of like well played as well i'm like good job you don't you don't do what you got to do you know it's it's easier to say that now because my life has been redeemed but it would be very hard to that point so um two fbi agents call me and they say jimmy will you come and talk to us and i said who is this?

3:26:15And they said, this is the FBI. I said, bullshit. I said, you know, I'm the FBI too, I said to him. And after my dealings with the FBI, I wasn't going to play around. And they said, no, this is really the FBI. I said, prove it. They said, well, we went to your parents' house and your sister said to never, that you told her to never under any circumstance talk to the FBI. And I said, okay, that's okay. I said, roger that. And so I said, what do you want? And they said, we want to talk to you about your time with McAfee. And I'm like, this cannot be happening to me. Who gets shrugged by lightning twice?

3:26:50The Blackwater thing and now the FBI again. And you can imagine the shock of this. I was just like paralyzed with like, wait, the FBI is talking to me now again. And I think that they are literally investigating me now. And so they said, will you come up and see us tomorrow? And I said, 100%, I want to work with you guys. I would love to. And they said, you will? And I said, yeah, I would love to. I said, when do you want to meet? And they said, tomorrow. Our secretary of the DOJ is going to call you and set up a, she's going to email you and set your tickets up. I said, okay, can you get first class for me?

3:27:29Yeah, sure. The next day I go to the airport to catch my flight, and I get on a plane to Columbia. And that's the last time I'm in America for two years. Wow. Two years. I ghosted him, yeah. And that pissed him off. Almost two years, yeah. Why did they want to talk to you about McAfee, either? Well, when I ghosted him, he was arrested almost simultaneously as me ghosted him. Really? So almost like me going to Washington, D.C., I felt like they were going to arrest me there. So instead, I go to Colombia, and they arrest him like that. They arrest him going from Spain, Barcelona, I think, to Turkey, Istanbul.

3:28:16And so he's on the run. He gets caught. Now I'm on the run, and they need, but they need both of us to really, to either get me to turn on him or to, or what? I don't know. They need to get both of us. We're going to stay in trial together, right? So he gets put in a Spanish prison, and I go on basically the run for, I don't know how long it was, maybe close to two years. But either way, I'm staying in Medellin, Colombia. We talked about that a little bit. And what else is there to do in Colombia for a gringo like me is to do as much drugs as possible, cocaine, and party, and escape, escape, escape, escape.

3:29:07And it's not like I'm trying to hide from the FBI. I know that they just picked up McAfee from Turkey to Istanbul. They could easily pick me up anywhere they want. And plus, I needed to work. I needed some cash. And so I started doing real mercenary work, not like Blackwater stuff, but kind of crazy stuff in Nicaragua in San Salvador to pick up money. Like what? So I was going through the airports. Like what? Like what?

3:29:46like when I was in Medellin, I was doing the cocaine and all this, and I said I need to pick up cash, right? And kind of like the enforcer thing, I called my buddy, and I said, dude, do you in the teams? And I said, you know, you're only a couple calls away from a gig, you know, some type of gig, like if you want to get into it. And I said, bro, do you know anybody that is doing actual shit, like mercenary type stuff? And he goes, yeah, I know this guy who does this and this and this. I said, well, put me in contact with you. And just so happens, this guy contacts me and he says, I'm going to send you to another dude.

3:30:28He was in the teams at the highest levels. And he's going to text you on Telegram. and he said to give you instructions and i said okay you know and i get a message on telegram it says you are you down you down and i said yeah i'm down i said yeah i'm down he goes well keep it short like don't talk much and i said k you know k he's like he starts giving me instructions he goes go to go to el salvador and he goes i i'll give you 10k to listen to the operation to listen. And if you don't want to do it, don't say another word, take the 10K or a little less than 10 so you don't have to declare it at customs and go back home.

3:31:15All you have to do is come listen for 10K. And if you decide to do it, then we'll come together with another deal. I said, deal. So I go to El Salvador first and pick up some money for them in a suitcase, which is really weird uh and then i go to i fly to nicaragua and listen to their their proposition and it's a ex-musad guy and then it's uh dirty from the from the teams from red red squadron i think it was from red squadron sorry dirty if i mess it up but um he's there me and this musad guy claims to be and uh pretty pretty gnarly gnarly scar on him he looks pretty rad like he looks down you know and so i meet him at a coffee shop and i and i they said come come to nicaragua as a colombian i'm sorry come to nicaragua as a as a um a surfer or volcano watcher right and so i go okay but i don't have a surfboard you know so i show up and they tell me about what they're gonna to do.

3:32:22They said, now listen to what we're going to do. They said, we've been tasked by the El Salvador government to kidnap the ex-president of El Salvador, who is now exiled in Nicaragua, here in this country. But the problem is, and I said, no problem, easy, you know, snap, snap, snap and we roll and they're like no it's not that easy they want him alive and i said they want him alive they want us to you know take him alive out of the country i said how i said well that's they said that's for us to if you decide to do this with us we have to come up with a plan we got an airbnb here we're volcano watchers surfers uh we've got some contacts here we already He did a penetration test.

3:33:15His body cards didn't do anything when one of us walked up to him. But we think that compromised the situation. And I'm like, oh, man. They said, how much for this to happen? I said, I don't know, man. 400 Gs? I don't know. But you got to wire it to my mom first. And they're like, we can't do that. It's got to be after it's done. And they said, but there's a promise to us from the El Salvador government that we will get to take out the MS-13 gang. If we're successful at this, we'll go on the hunt for MS-13 members and just kill as many as possible in El Salvador. Now, this is before the El Salvador picked up their game.

3:33:57And this is actually right under the new El Salvador president because he promised within his first six months of office that he would get that ex-president of El Salvador alive and stand trial because he had stole millions of dollars of the people's hard-earned money and spent it on himself. So we were tasked to do it by ourself. So we had a bunch of shots of ketamine. We had a bunch of different stuff that we're going to shoot him up with. We were going to grab him, shoot him up with, tape him to a surfboard, swim him out to a cigar speedboat that we had got from a contact that was waiting there every night.

3:34:41and then link up with the El Salvador Navy that was going to take him back into their country. And now we were flying back and forth, meeting with El Salvador government officials. We were meeting with CIA guys from America here. I won't go into it too much because it's connected to people now that are here now.

3:35:08But it was unsuccessful. I wish I had a really sexy story to tell you and everybody, but that's how you know it's true when it was absolutely unsuccessful. We tried. We really tried. And I said, if you wanted him dead, then we would have been able to do it easy, easy. But the fact that they wanted him alive and he was in some compound with Nicaraguan pit bulls I didn't even know existed. They're actually called Nicaraguan pit bulls, I guess, two of them. and to go in there and try to get him alive was an impossible task. Sheesh. And we tried. Let's take a quick break.

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3:37:55Join the Patreon community today and get access to the full experience. All right, Jimmy, we're back from the break. Right. We're in South America. Right. What makes you want to go on the sailing trip here? Well, I'm so lost at this point. I think spiritually, mentally, physically exhausted. I went from the bottom of the barrel to the top of the palace with McAfee, and now I'm somewhere in purgatory maybe. I started to think sometimes like maybe I died in Iraq. Iraq. Maybe I lost my life and I'm still being worked on in the streets of Iraq. Maybe I died and I'm in purgatory because my life is so unreal weird.

3:38:42And now I'm in Colombia by myself as an oil painter. And I'm so lost, Sean, that at some point I decide after a three or four day Coke binge. And I'm talking about running through lines. I mean, wrecking Coke by myself. Well, with a bunch of girls, I would bring these girls in and just party. And then they would leave. And I would just wreck myself even further for days. And after about four days of this one time, days and nights, I decided I'm going to baptize myself after a three or four day Coke binge. And so I baptized myself in this big jacuzzi, and I came out, and that's the kind of mess I was in.

3:39:29Like, that's how effed up I was. Like, I was lost, and it was such a dark place. So I had to get out of Colombia. The problem is, every time I would travel, every time I would travel in the airport, I had this horrible paranoia about me. But you know what they say about Russian spies? if you're a spy in Russia, you never break character. You don't even whistle an American tune in the shower while you're taking the shower. You never, ever break character. So I took that persona on, even though I knew they could arrest me. So in customs, they're always taking me out of the customs line by myself into a private room.

3:40:05They take my bag for an hour or so. I always miss my flight. And they come back and they say, okay, Jimmy, go on your way. And a normal person would be like, hey, I'm filming this. What the hell? I'm going to put this on. So you're like, how dare you? Me, I'm like, okay, thanks. And so I know something's not, I think they're tracking me. And so I decide I'm going to go to Spain and I'm going to sell around the world, not around the world, but around, stay out at sea as long as I can for as long periods as I can and just try to lose. I just want to be left alone and maybe something will happen with the McAfee thing and they'll just lose, forget me.

3:40:44So I go learn to sell. I get my level one through four certification selling. I felt like I needed the old seal in me, the old marine and seal. I wanted to do it the proper way still, get the documentation, get certificated, get certified and learn to sell. So I learned to sell a 42-foot Benitoe. And I'm out for about four or five days. And I'm bobbing up and down in the sea at night around Ibiza, Spain, and the coast. And I'm just like, oh my God, the sailor's life is not for me because you got to deal with your demons out here. I mean, all day you're out there, you know, and you're having to live with all of this betrayal, my girl, all this crazy stuff.

3:41:29And so I say, I got to give me a girl. I got to give me a good girl or something. I don't know. when I get off this boat. I get off the boat and I meet. That's when Anastasia comes into my life. Right after I get off this boat, I look like a piece of leather. This is the salty. I mean, I don't know how guys stay out there for so long on these. You know what I mean? It's like, it's not for me, brother. And so I get off and I find Anastasia and she's just like a breath of fresh air. She's just like this. I always joked around. My buddy once said, Hey, you need to find you a mongolian princess bro and i was like mongolian princess that sounds freaking awesome so i would jokingly say i'm gonna marry a mongolian princess well you know the russian the you know jengiz kong made the russians pay taxes for 400 years you know what i mean and so there there's that bloodline in the russians and my girl atastasia spelled with two eyes she walks up to me on her first little date and she's got and she's like my name is atastasia spelled with two She goes, I'm a direct descendant from Mongolia, Chang 'e's Kong or something.

3:42:34And I was like, I love you, girl. Let's have babies right now. Let's get pregnant, girl. And so she shows me pictures on her phone. And I'm like, whoa, what is that? This is before AI. And she's showing me these pictures of paradise, man. And I mean, this is what I've been searching for. Me on my own. I found Colombia. I found Spain. But it wasn't what I was looking for. And she shows me these pictures of Koh Phangan, Thailand. I don't even want to mention the name because, man, it's such an awesome paradise, man. But she shows me the pictures. I go, let's go there. And she doesn't know me from anybody.

3:43:18And she's like, and I'm like, come on with me. I said, I'm not a serial killer, I swear. I said, I'll pay for everything. I'll pay for everything. You'll have the best. I got money. You know, this, this, this. And she's like, OK. And so she doesn't show up the next day. And I figured that was going to be the case. She probably saw the white powder in my nose. God only knows. She even said that I had white powder in my nose on our first date. And I had to go clean it out. And I was like, oh, my bad. And I was loose, man. And but she showed up on like two days later. She was about to go back to Moscow.

3:43:53Moscow. And she said, okay, you want to go to Kobanga? And I said, yes. And so, I mean, it was like a breath of fresh air. Anything was better, you know? And so I go on this journey with her to Spain. We go through every single different kind of, you know, mushroom, all the different trips you could have. Well, no, not all of them, but almost all. And we're there for a while. And then all of a sudden COVID happens. I remember being with my girl laughing at people with the mask on in the airport. I was like, what the heck are people doing with these masks on? COVID? Are you freaking kidding me?

3:44:34Well, it happened. So I eventually, I'm doing Muay Thai training now. I'm always going for the next validation piece. And so I'm doing some Muay there. It keeps me from the drugs, you know, a little bit, still doing Xanax and all kinds of stuff. I got like a pharmacy, walk around with a pharmacy with me all over the place. And I ended up saying, telling Anastasia, I got to go home and I got to see my mom. I just need to see my mom. And then I'll meet you in Bali, non-extraditionary country, which is bullshit. If you're thinking about going on the run right now, you know, there's no such thing as non-extraditionary.

3:45:19They just do a deal with the government and get you. And so I go home to see my mom for two days. And I get my Bali visa. I go through to Asia. I'm getting this, this, this, this. And I just thank God I'm not arrested at the airport and I'm trying to stay low. And I'm like, mom, I need to talk to you. Let's go out to get coffee. and so we go to get coffee, me and my mom, and I sat in front of her, Sean, and I mean, I know there's probably listeners right now that have lost a loved one or had to say bye for the last time and know that feeling, and I, for me, I was telling my mom bye for the rest of my life this time because I knew that I could never come back unless they somehow cleared this case or something.

3:46:06I found out good news, but it was too risky, and so I said, Mom, I gotta go. for a long haul. I don't know when the next time I'm going to see you. And like any good mom, she said, well, I would rather you be out abroad and then sitting in prison for the rest of your life. Shit. Yeah, because McAfee was under heavy charges. You know?

3:46:37And I knew the prison life wasn't for me. I just a caged animal, you know? No, man. And so I said, OK, Mom, I appreciate you understanding me. And we walked from there to the car. And on the way to the car, Sean, I got this piece that came across me. And I thought it was a drug kick. And I thought it was Xanax or something I took. And I know I didn't take anything because I wanted to be real sober with my mom.

3:47:06and this piece came across me and I said, Dad must be praying for me. She goes, why? I said, I don't know, Mom. I just know that everything's going to be okay. Like I know, like I just knew from that moment on that it was going to be okay, my life. And man, right as I said that, about three or four black SUVs, not cop cars, I'm talking like black SUVs, slam up right up on me and my mom. The guy's got his finger on his trigger shaking. And he said, Jimmy Watson. He opened the door, Jimmy Watson. And I say, yeah. And I put my hands out and they said, get on the ground. And they, about 15 FBI, plain clothes.

3:47:47I got video of it. You got video of this? I will show you guys. Yeah. My mom took video of it. A piece of it. Yeah. Shit. They, you know, get me on the ground and everything. and uh uh they they they said we got him we got him they were so happy and i said oh you guys are badass resting a seal yeah and i was making fun of him and stuff you know and they were like hey shut up you know you know they they didn't they didn't even really know what they were getting before i don't think they they were just tasked to get me they said i was an armed fugitive on the run ex-Davies Seal. And so I was considered horribly dangerous.

3:48:27It's really sad, huh? And that's why they had the Dallas SWAT team cordoned off. They had the Dallas SWAT team there cordoned off the whole area. They had the plainclothes guys. Wow. And they put me in handcuffs, Sean. And they put me in the back seat. And they were asking me questions. How many pull-ups can you do? You're in the Seals? I said, take these handcuffs off and I'll show you. You know, I'm just like, I was trying to be humorous and joke around, but I knew my life is over. And so they hauled me to the county in Dallas and then straight, no court, nothing, just straight to the big federal prison with the Tiger King.

3:49:13And I'm in the same pod as the Tiger King. I didn't see him really, but I heard he was in there. Because right when they had me in shackles, man. I'm talking foot to chain to hand, shackle, the whole thing, like crazy. And they put me in solitary confinement for four days straight, four or five days straight. And that was their FU to me for stiffing them on the first class tickets to Washington, D.C. I said, fair enough, but it was pretty brutal. Solitary confinement for a guy like me fighting these demons. Oh man, brother. And now I'm just pacing the walls of rage. I'm just like, fuck, my life is done.

3:50:01And I'm like, dude, I am going to go to prison forever. And this is going to be my life. And after about four or five days, I remember them, they said, you know, back up. We're talking in the hole, the shoe, no light, the bright, bright, bright lights during the day, but no outside. And they bring me out into a little bit, and it looks like a dungeon in there. And I'm just like, damn, my life sucks. Like, wow. How you get to this, You're right. And I get taken in this little room and my dad has hired a lawyer, but I'm going to pay him. He said, you're paying this guy$50 ,000. I tried to find the best lawyer possible, defense lawyer.

3:50:51And Arnold is his name. And he looks at me and he said, Jimmy, if you put a one on a dice of a thousand sides, He goes, that's your chances, if I rolled it right now, of just doing two and a half years. He goes, you're going to do most likely 12 years. He goes, that's your best bet. And I was so mad. I said, I paid you 50 G's to tell me this. I just paid you 50 ,000 for this. And he's like, Jimmy, you are dud. And it's over. uh i'm thinking do i get another lawyer i mean but he was so cold with me it was like damn he goes i don't even think you can get a good deal with these guys i mean what is it but you got to wait till mcfee gets back so mcfee's now in prison in the dungeon in barcelona spain and now they got me in the feds now now the now the fbi wants to keep me on lockdown like an animal they want to keep me and then transfer me from Dallas, not Dallas, Fort Worth, Feds to upstate New York or the Southern Manhattan District in New York.

3:52:09They want to keep me locked down, transfer me, pre-trial confinement, because I'm a danger to society. There's two main things when they're deciding whether or not to put you on house arrest on pre-trial confinement, is, are you a danger to society? Okay, SEAL, which we're not, but we're looked at like that by them. And are you a flight risk? Well, I was a flight risk. I wasn't anymore. And so they put me on. So I go in front of the judge, a Texas judge, and the DOJ is there to fight their case and keep me in. They want to keep me on lockdown. And I'm praying to God. My chances are slim, though, just to go on house arrest.

3:52:52And so now I'm just fighting to go on house arrest for this pre-trial so I can stay in trial with McPhee. But it was a Texas judge. And they introduced me as a former SEAL. And he goes, wait, wait, wait. You say former SEAL? And they said, yes, Your Honor. He said, y 'all want to do what to him? We want to transfer him to New York and keep him. This guy is a risk. This guy is no joke. He's been on the run for two years, sir. You know, they really fight to keep me locked down. He goes, we don't do that this south of the Mason Dixie. And they were like, damn. And so he said, release him. He's going on house arrest with his mom and dad.

3:53:33And he goes, you're going to run, son? And I said, no, sir. He goes, you better not or I'll fry your ass. And I said, run to that. And so they put me on house arrest and the FBI is mad again. They're angry. They keep losing, in a way. And so I go on house arrest. And now McPhee at this time, and this is a very important part of the story that people are interested in, including myself and don't quite understand. But John McPhee from prison in Spain, he's been there for a long time by now. And from prison, he tweets, Janice, you know, people go, how do you tweet from prison? Well, you had your loved one tweet what you want.

3:54:18tweets from prison, Sean, that if anything happens to me whatsoever, I did not kill myself. And if something does happen to me, the three terabytes of information that I have are located, and it gives the exact address of the Surfside Miami condo, period. period. That's two weeks before his death. He feels death upon him. He feels the pressure. I've lived this in my mind. Okay. Everybody sees the tweet. Everybody sees whacked on his arm. Everybody knows that if anything, he's made it very clear, I did not kill myself. And if anything happens to me, you know that it was not me. I want to live. And that if it does, the information is located at the Surfside Condo, and he gives the address of this nice condominium in Miami.

3:55:18Okay? Have you been there? I've never been there. Never. Two weeks later, on the day John McAfee loses his extraditionary case, meaning he's now being transferred back to America to stand trial with me, That day, they find him dead in his prison cell, hung. Hung in a prison. On the day you find out you're leaving prison, just from my short stint in solitary confinement, the day you find out that you're leaving your cell, you don't kill yourself. you're very happy to move from one place to another even if it's a short distance he's going to get to go back to america he loved the cameras sensationalism he loved the drama i mean this was his show he was going to fight this tooth and nail but he's found dead and then the very and then the same uh and then two hours and then two hours after he's found hung in his prison cell, the Miami Surfside condo collapses.

3:56:38What? The whole building? The building collapses at 1.20 a.m., I think 1.30 a.m., maybe 2.30 a.m., but two hours later, maybe. The building collapses, Sean. Some people go, oh, it was only partial. Building seven to the ground, homie, like collapsed. One engineer said for a building to collapse like it did is like astronomical. And he's not even talking about the MAG. He doesn't even know about the MAG thing. He's just talking about structurally as an engineer for a building to building seven to go down. And I'm not one of these conspiracy guys. I'm just telling you what happened. The building went down, crashed to the ground.

3:57:28And they had to explode parts of it, of course. And what makes it weirder not to pick on the people that have already been picked on every day for the last two years, but the IDF is sent in to investigate the building collapse. An investigation team, you can – people, please, please verify this. Look it up. It's all over. the IDF Israeli investigation team has sent in to personally wall it off and handle it, and no one else is allowed to touch it. Now, I'm not trying to say, I'm just telling you the facts, but I'm not trying to say anything. At this point, I'm just saying the facts. I'm not leading anybody into any kind of presumption of them doing it.

3:58:21I'm just saying, because they're experts at buildings collapsing and killing a bunch of people.

3:58:32Wow. 100 people are killed. Holy shit. And when you think about it, Sean, like, it took me days. And then let me guess, we never heard anything about it ever again. No. No, not on Main Street. Nothing. He literally said three terabytes of, like, And it was like the Epstein files are located in this address. And then he's hung. And then the building goes down two hours later at 1.30 in the morning. And everybody knows about the Surfside condo. Everybody thinks it's weird. They eventually came up. Oh, and then after we released all this information, by the way, Sean, the government came out with some crazy explanation of why it got so much heat They had to come together with some crazy.

3:59:23The pool was leaking. The pool was leaking. Yeah, there was a pool leak. Buildings do not. We're talking like this thing came crashing down and killed, unfortunately, 100 people, I think.

3:59:42So what do you think? I don't know. I don't know if it was McAfee's last F.U. trick. Master chess player.

3:59:54I think the chances of him offing himself or being Epstein or whatever you want to call it are freaking slim. I guess anything's possible in this life. I've learned that anything's possible. But I presume that maybe he was killed and then they were like, it's better if McAfee doesn't come home. So rush that in. And it's not hard to greenlight somebody in prison. Everybody knows that by now. That's nothing to do. So that's easy. That's an easy one. So that's very possible for him to be killed by somebody else. Why do you think they would level the building? Why wouldn't they just break in a condo and take the damn hard drive?

4:00:45Yeah, exactly. He didn't name the actual condo door. He just said in that building. also after i released the story on my social media i did a story a little story on it they they uh a guy contacted me and he said he was the owner of a demo company and the government called him as the owner and said would he do the job of the debris as good and he said yeah i'll have all my trucks come to him they said no no no we just want one truck and you have to drive That's what he told me. He says, and you'll just do exactly like we tell you. And he agreed to for a bunch of money. And he would drive in. And anybody that knows about the Surfside Condo knows it's weird.

4:01:31I mean, they had this thing walled off. I mean, it was crazy. They had it guarded on lockdown. You couldn't come in. You couldn't go out. He said he would take his one truck with blacked out windows with a black tarp in the bed, pull in. One truck. Just a little bit of debris would go in his truck. and then he would have to give him his phone and then get back and then he would be escorted across Florida into another gated compound with guards. I know this sounds good. Take his phone, black out the windows, take the stuff out the back of his truck and sit through it. And the IDF is doing this for the most part in the Surfside area.

4:02:11Why? I don't know.

4:02:16Thank you. Wow. What do you think he had on everybody? So McAfee had a no bluff policy, so he wouldn't lie to you. Now, he would play games and deception and stuff, but that was different. When he told me that it was disgusting, vile, horrible shit, on those people that he named in the high government, in the DOJ. I assume that's exactly what he meant. And lo and behold, there's been people that said that he was disgusting and vile and horrible backfiend. But I always have said, the enemy always accuses you of the exact opposite of who you are. so I'm the killer of innocent people monster I was literally in Iraq, Afghanistan to do a real job and save people I really wanted to now I ended up doing horrible things in the process and not even meaning to

4:03:32you're a liar a cheat, a stealer well Machiavelli said never play fair in a game where everybody cheats so you could call me that but the crypto game There was no old ladies with two or three computers looking like your studio here, you know, doing trades and getting robbed. These were highly proficient crypto players back in the day. You had to be on your A game. Programming nerds doing this stuff, trading crypto. Lightning speed. And so everybody playing the game was in the game to pump and dump. Stuff that now, by the way, is considered perfectly okay to do.

4:04:18How did it go? I mean, so what's the rest of your house arrest like? Okay. You got any trials or anything like that? Yeah, yeah. So I know this sounds crazy, but the same night that John McAfee dies, I wake up the next day, right? I wake up, my phone says McAfee has, sorry, that night, okay, I couldn't sleep all night, the night that McAfee dies. My mom told me, Sean, that no matter what, no matter how horrible it got, if I was dying in Iraq or Afghanistan to cry out to Jesus, to cry out to God. I'll never forget her saying that. She always would get me and say, Jimmy, remember, before I would leave, She goes, just say Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, like three times, like loud.

4:05:08And man, I might as well be dying. I might as well be dead. I might as well be in Afghanistan, Iraq dead. So I, at three in the morning on house arrest, I yelled out, Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, help me. I said, I'm not looking to get out of prison because I deserve it in some way or another, Even if I did it or not, it doesn't matter. I deserve it. Whatever's coming, I deserve it. So I'm not asking to get out of prison. I'm asking for a real relationship with you. I wanted something tangible, to feel something. I didn't care about prison, nothing. All I cared about was a real longing for something to happen.

4:05:58and the next day I wake up and I said, I'll do anything. Just please show up in my life.

4:06:08And the next day I get a text from my lawyer that says McAfee's hung in a prison, was found hung, and I can't even process it. I'm like, what? No, no. I'm like, no. and then a stranger calls me right after. And I just answer. And he goes, Jimmy. And I said, yeah. He said, you want to go to this place called Operation Restore Warrior, this retreat? And I said, no, man. I said, yeah, I would love to. I'm about to go to prison for 15 years, though. I appreciate it, man. Thank you. I went to hang up. He said, no, no, wait, wait, wait. He goes, we won't judge you. I said, no, you don't understand. A real judge is going to sentence me to prison.

4:06:55He goes, well, ask the judge if you could go to this retreat, a three-day retreat. I don't know this guy. I don't know how he got my number, anything. He just says this. I said, okay, okay, because I remember me crying out that night. I said, okay. I asked my lawyer, and he goes, no, Jimmy. I said, listen, Arnold, you got$50 ,000 of my money. you're going to do something for me. Come on now. I said, you know this ain't going to trial. I'm going to have to plea out and I'm going to get like 12 years. I said, just do this one thing for me. Ask the judge if I could go to this three-day retreat. He goes, okay, but he's going to say no.

4:07:34I said, just please ask him. Damn. He calls me back in an hour or two. It was real fast. He said, Jimmy, I don't know how to tell you this, but that Texas judge said, yeah, you can go. just don't go here don't run anywhere i already had r2d2 ankle brace everybody knows me from three years ago if they saw me with a run around my mom's house yeah my mom's house i was running around with my arranger panties on and r2d2 man and uh the probation officer was like you know you can't get this wet i was like good seals hate the water you know like no problem bro And so I get to go to this place, and I come in the room, and my hair kind of stands up a little bit.

4:08:20I'm like, man, I feel awkward in here, kind of weird, like weird, but good, strange, and not normal. And I set it down at this table, and there's these people at this place called Operation Restorable Lawyer. They had this cabin in Baltimore out of all places overlooking a duck pond, like something you'd see Patriot Outdoors or something in this wood cabin. And I sat down, and the owner happens to be there of this place. And he looked at me, and he said, Jimmy, are you ready to meet Jesus here? And he's going to tell you everything about your life and show you direction. And are you ready to meet him?

4:09:04And I bust out laughing at him. because he said for 100%, there was 100 % chance he was going to change my life forever here. And I laughed at him, Sean. I bust out. I said, bro, I said, you guys have to be careful who you tell that to, because you don't know who you're talking to. I said, what if that guy is going to prison for the rest of his life? You give him false hope like that. Don't tell people that shit. I scorned him. I mocked him. I said, Jesus is going to show up at this place. And he goes, Jimmy? He never changed. He said, Jimmy, do you believe that Jesus died and rose again on the third day, in three days?

4:09:46And I looked at him. I said, I think so. I think so. He says, anything's possible. So I went outside. I kind of laughed at him. And I went outside, And I just put down my guard again. And I went back into that guy crying out like my mom told me to. And I said, Jesus, if you're real, I think you are. But if you're real, real, all I'm asking for, I'm not asking to get out of prison. I know I'm going. And I know I've done a bunch of terrible shit. And I know I'm guilty as charged. on all accounts for either responsible for guys going to prison for life or the death of many people in war. And so I said, take your best shot, go ahead.

4:10:42But I just want to feel you one time.

4:10:49And

4:10:53nothing happened. But the next day, the next day, they called me in. The very next day, they said, today's the day where you're going to meet Jesus and he's going to tell you things. And I said, I'm sorry, can I get a tissue? Yeah, man.

4:11:25I don't know.

4:11:51okay and uh so the next day they call there's only three or four of us at this thing it's real small i don't understand it i don't even know where i am baltimore at this duck reserve but i didn't know when baltimore even had duck reserves and uh i there's a room and they tell us to wait and i'm always last in my life my last name is watson w so i'm always last i'm always the last guy in military and everything. So I'm used to waiting. So here I am. I'm the last person to go into this room. But a guy will go into this room. He'll stay there for an hour or two and then leave in shambles, like a truck freight train hit him, like a snot coming down to the ground.

4:12:37He'll just barely able to walk out. And I'm like, oh, hell no. I ain't down with this. I said, I swear on my life. I will walk out of there like a man. I'll walk in as a man. I'll walk out as a man. There's nothing you can tell me this life that I haven't experienced, that I haven't seen, that I haven't done. And there's no way you can say something to me to get me emotional and cry like this. Nothing. There's no chance. And so I prepared for it, embraced for any kind of weird shit they were going to do. But the second guy goes in. The last guy goes in. And they all come out in shambles. Red snot coming out.

4:13:14and I'm like pussy that's kind of what I was thinking sorry about my language I go in and these two guys are sitting there they kind of remind me of cops because they just got their clean cut and they got their little notepad and I'm like I ain't saying shit to these guys you know what I mean this can be a setup and so I'm real paranoid and they say this guy named Daniel goes okay Jimmy can you tell us about And by the way, I'm broken too. My left shoulder is like destroyed. I feel like something's in my body. Like I'm just all messed up too, you know, on top of everything else. And I'm thinking, Jesus, how can you meet me here and even do something while I'm in so much pain as well?

4:14:03Like my body's in pain. My mind's in pain. I'm tormented. So I sat down in front of them and they said, Jimmy, will you tell us your story, please? please and I said, you don't want to hear the whole thing, man. I promise you. They said, well, just tell us like, go through it and we're going to write some things down. This is what we do here. And by the way, we don't know your last name. They don't know my last name. The recruiter knows your last name that brought you in, but they purposely don't know your last name. They just know me as Jimmy. They don't know my story. They see the big ankle bracelet on it.

4:14:37And I told I'm going through my story nonchalantly. It's kind of boring. And I just want to get through it. And I'm thinking, the hell is this? Like, who cares? It's boring. And all of a sudden, Daniel says, Jimmy, you skipped over a part of your story. And I said, no, I didn't. Like, it's cool as an ice. It's cool as ice. Like, I'm playing a game. I said, no, I didn't. He goes, yeah, you did. And I said, no. I said, let's move on. He goes, well, you skipped the story of the love boat, the love shack. It's called the love shack, right? And I stopped. And I said, well, I guess this interview is over.

4:15:23And they said, no, why, why, why? I said, well, I don't know what kind of game you're playing here. I don't know. I don't know how you know about McAfee's mansion. We called it the nickname. He said the nickname of it, the love shack. It was the love boat series. We called it the love shack. And he said, was that at the love shack? When he said, was that that? I thought, hell no, I'm out. Because people, they think they want a psychic and stuff. But when somebody actually says something real, that's like that hits, triggers you. I said, what the hell? And I said, how do you know about the love shack?

4:16:01And he goes, this is what we do here, Jimmy. Sit down. And I said, hell no. I said, I'll stand. I said, he goes, will you tell us more of your story? I said, no. I said, no, hell no. I said, if you know so much about me, I said, finish it out. If you're so freaking, if there's a real God here, Jesus, then finish the story. Don't just say love, Shaq. Big deal. You can find that out somehow through somebody. And they looked at each other. They said, oh, but Jordan nodded to Daniel. Daniel goes, okay. He goes, well, he goes, you walk up to the love shack. You called it the love shack, the love boat.

4:16:42You walk up to it, and there's a screen door, and you open it. And when you walk in, there's a bathtub on the right, a big hot tub. And then there's three steps up. And I actually threw a guy off that three steps before. There was three steps up, and then a cherry-wooded door. And you walk in. And I go, so? I'm like, okay. And it was so accurate though. It was like he was reading the blueprints of this love house. And I said, okay. And I'm like, kind of, I shake myself. I'm like, okay, okay, go ahead. I said, Ann, tell me more. He goes, well, there's an elevator on the right side covered by a cherry door, a secret elevator that goes up and down.

4:17:27I mean, who, how would you know this, right? And I go, Ann, he said, there's an armory where you used to keep weapons in a gray metal door, and it's covered by a cherry door. And I said, so, and? And he goes, well, you go up the stairs on the second level of the house. And I'm like, okay, that's pretty damn, that's okay. And he says, and every room is named with a, he goes, he's like grabbing like this, he goes, a latin long, a grid coordinates? I said, a latin long, a latin long. Every room had a latin long on it. It was Tahiti, Thailand. It was different names above the rooms. It was a beautiful home.

4:18:10My room was amazing. I said, OK. He says, and then you go up another flight of stairs to the third deck. And I said, yeah. I said, I just nod. He says, and there's a big ship. And I finish. I go, ship's three. He said, yeah. And I go, I said, that's not good enough, man. I said, you're going to have to tell me more. I said, tell me more. If you know so much about my life, I said, tell me more. And he just is describing this house that I was in, the love shack with John McAfee to the T, exactly every single detail. Like he's watching it on a TV, not even looking at me, kind of looking past me. And he says, there's boats that come up to the house in a canal, in a waterway, boats that come up and down.

4:18:58And I said, and now Sean, I'm shaking. I'm so furious, man. Because if somebody really tells you about a time in your life that not really many other people know about, that's something. It's not your birthday. It's not your social security number. It's something real. It's something that nobody else knows about. And so I yelled at him. I said, if you know so much about me, I said, tell me more. Tell me everything. And he goes, okay. He said, your office looked over a sound, a beautiful sound, and he even called it a sound. And that's what it was, a sound. And I yelled one more time. And the last time, I said, and I spit mad.

4:19:51They said they were terrified. I would stand up and I said, if you know so much about me, I said, tell me everything. Tell me about my life. He said, okay. He said there was a path that you used to walk down by yourself at night that only you know about.

4:20:13And I just fell back. Just. Wow. Stop it. because he told me about a path that I would cry out to God on. I would cry out to Jesus on. Are you serious? I'm dead serious. And I fell back, and I walked out of that room just like those other three guys.

4:20:43And people ask me, how is this possible? and I say, just like the blind man that was healed by Jesus, they asked him, who did this to you? They were mad. Who healed you? Who made you see? The Pharisees, he says, I don't know, but I was blind. And now I see.

4:21:07So I don't care what anybody says, man. That's what happened. And so a lot of people have a reason not to believe, baby. I have no reason because what it showed me was that you can run from yourself your whole life. You can run from the law for a couple of years, but you cannot run from God because he's in every dark corner and he's with you no matter what, man. In all your shame and guilt, he's with you. So no matter what happens in this life, no matter how much you lose, no matter who betrays you, no matter how guilty or shameful things that you've done, how deep and horrible your sin is, if you crackle your heart open this much and you believe he's with you and that perspective change makes you a powerhouse, a warrior that gets unstoppable.

4:22:08and uh and after this uh meeting uh daniel said after this experience i'm just crushed i'm laying there and i i even thought about not saying this part because i was afraid people may not believe the whole story if i say this but i'm gonna say uh jordan now switches from daniel to jordan He says, Jimmy, you have a sword sticking out of your shoulder, something sticking out. He could see into the demonic world that I had been wounded or something through my own sin or open doors. And I'm not saying all pain comes from sin, but I'm just telling you that I was—it's like he pulled the sword out. It's way in.

4:22:58Yeah, and he touched my shoulder and said, can I touch you and remove it? And I said, yes. What option do I have? I just was like this. And he touched my shoulder and prayed, and it went away. That pain went away.

4:23:17And then Daniel said, one last thing, Jimmy, before you leave. And I don't know if I can even take anymore. I don't even know if I can take anymore. It was such a hit. I'm just there. He goes, one last thing, Jimmy. He said, I see a chessboard in the sky. He said, I see pieces being moved around. You've been like a pawn your whole life. God has been moving you. And this is for people that are listening right now. God will move you and position you like a chess game. And the enemy will think that he's got you. He's destroyed you forever. And then he said, and all I hear is checkmate, Jimmy. I said, well, what does checkmate mean?

4:23:58He says, I don't know, but I think it means that your case will be dismissed. I said, that's not possible. That is not possible. All this may be possible, but that's not. He said, checkmate. When I got home, Sean, my lawyer called me, and the first thing he said to me was, Jimmy. I said, yes, Arnold. It was never good news with him. He said, checkmate. And I said, what did you say? I said, what did you say? He goes, Jimmy, don't you know what checkmate means? He goes, ah, forget that. Forget what I said. He goes, it means your case is going to get dismissed. He said, Jimmy, I've never seen this in my whole life.

4:24:42As a DOJ prosecutor turned major defense lawyer in Texas. He goes, I've never seen it once. And I said, this is what Jesus told me. He thought I went crazy. He was like, Jimmy, Jimmy, say this. He goes, but he did say, he goes, say a prayer for me, Jimmy, if that be true. I said, okay. And it's not like it was easygoing after that. It's like I dropped off two sea bags of bricks, hardcore, and I stood up a new man. I've never seen an airport so clean and nice as Baltimore airport. And that place ain't nice, you know, but I was just a new perspective. It wasn't like a, it wasn't like Jesus literally like came to touch me.

4:25:22It was like a new, it was a perspective shift, a real no joke perspective change. Like if you know 100 % that God is with you, it's life-altering change. I was like an eagle flying over the Grand Canyon, Sean. And so it took months for my case to finally dissolve out. It was dismissed. But the paperwork of the DOJ is long. So I spent almost two years on house arrest. But it was the best time of my life. And I was restored. Everything was restored to me. body not not like I was but you know okay I'm okay and my girl we finally got to meet up and and we stuck together we have a beautiful little two-year-old son Jacob and a beautiful life in Florida South Florida South Beach and my life has been totally redeemed and restored and I had one in 1000.

4:26:26Wow, dude. Yeah. Yeah. And the FBI just were like, leave it below. The head prosecutor's name was Samson. I'll never forget. He wanted to destroy me. He told my lawyer to tell me that he had never lost a case in his life in the DOJ. They were like the top of the seals of the DOJ. And my lawyer was like, it's true. There's no fighting these guys. They are so bad. And he went from saying he wanted to destroy my life and steamroll me, he could care less about me. He literally told me that, to writing the most beautiful letter of release.

4:27:09And I don't know why. It's like an angel visiting him in the night or something. And I said, Arnold, how's that possible? And Samson wrote this? He goes, Jimmy, I don't know, man he goes I don't get it it's weird he had a big shift of favor towards you and I wrote him an email you're not supposed to do that but I said thank you Samson for sparing my life and he said no problem he said I wish you real well Jimmy

4:27:49How long ago was that? That was 2020, 22, 23. I think that was a good four years. That's a solid four years ago now. And it's not like, it's not like, I never want to come across like, these are all great all the time. You know, we deal with all kinds of pain and pressures and things in the world and temptations come back around and all kinds of things. But I'll tell you, I have, no matter what happens to me, heaven or hell, here stands a man. Here stands a man who has no excuse. I have no choice. others may have a choice to believe or not, but I have been left with no other reason but to believe.

4:28:39And it is very biblical because it just so happens that Nathaniel is one of the disciples of Jesus. And as Nathaniel is coming up to Jesus for the first time, Nathaniel says to his buddy, this is not the real Jesus, this is not the real Messiah. And as he's coming up, he goes, can anything good come from Nazareth? And he's mocking Jesus. But as he's walking up, Jesus goes, hey, Nathaniel, here comes a man with no guile. There's no deception. And Nathaniel says, how do you know me? That's kind of arrogant, you know? He says, how do you know me? And Jesus says, because I saw you under the fig tree before you came.

4:29:23and he saw me on that path where nobody else do but and I will cry out to God on it

4:29:42yeah man

4:29:48that is some powerful stuff total redemption and death to rebirth. And that's the message, the lighthouse, you know. And there's so many guys and girls right now that are lost because they don't understand this message. How could it be true? I just pray that somebody doesn't have to go through what I did to get to that point of reconciliation.

4:30:28It's the true message of grace and hope. And freedom.

4:30:40I'm speechless.

4:30:47Have you ever tried to contact those two guys again? Daniel? Brother, I haven't spoken to Daniel in a long time, and he texted me yesterday as I was covering the show. He said, Jimmy, you want to help us out with maybe some fundraising for ORW? You know, I was like, dude, 100%, bro. I'll help you with whatever I can. What a crazy—I didn't know organizations like this existed and things. But I have—you know, Daniel, he's got a gift, obviously. Jordan didn't have this—Jordan's real gifted, too, a very powerful guy. But Daniel had this gift of seeing, and I was real curious about it. I said, Daniel, what did you see?

4:31:46Like, what's going on? And he goes, girl, I don't know. He goes, I just do what the Holy Spirit tells me. And he said, but your case is weird. He goes, I've only had that specifically that clear of a vision twice. Me and there was a country music star that many people know. But he kept that secret, of course. He said that what he saw was really, really terrible stuff that they did in the country music business and sacrifices and stuff. And that country music star was arrogant. But when he told him about what he had done in a hotel room as far as witchcraft and stuff they do at the high levels of Hollywood, He was left with no other way out, but like me, but to believe.

4:32:48I've got to look these guys up. ORW, they've helped. It's a small, sounds like a small unit, but they probably, I didn't know this, but they cared so much about me. As an individual, they fast and they pray for each person per class. I'm probably not supposed to say that, but for a couple, for sometimes a week or two before they come. Have you ever done that? I fasted. I did. I fasted for maybe 21 days one time. You did a 21-day fast? I did a 21-day fast. and

4:33:38everybody was like are you going to eat? they were scared like it's dangerous Jimmy what are you doing? I said God will tell me when to eat and around 20 days I started getting comfortable with it and I walked into this hotel and the guy looks at me and he goes you look like a man of God here's our free buffet it's$40 you should take it and I said brother that's for me right there and I ate and ate and ate but weird stuff like that yeah

4:34:14but I tell you coming here hasn't been easy Sean there's been a lot of very difficult strange things that have happened to me lately and things don't happen to me like that. I feel very secure, very at peace with my security, like safety. I'm not an anxious person. I have a really healthy lifestyle, sober, healthy, nice. But the last two nights before coming here on this show, it's been just hell. weird weird weird stuff and I'm like praying and stuff in my room and I'm like laughing about it because I know it doesn't have any power over me like I know that it's not a 50-50 it's not a 49 51 battle it's a it's a it's a done deal when he said it's finished on the cross it's finished but the demons they're like hiatus you know there's some weird things that happened to me about hotel room and stuff just weird stuff what's happening I'm going through this stuff right now I'm going through this stuff right now You're going through it right now?

4:35:27Yeah Can you share it? I've shared a little bit of it I want to wait till

4:35:40It dies down Right I don't know if I do a whole thing on it But I want to clear mine before I do it Right But it's been supernatural shit that's been happening around you or to you, you think? Both. Damn. Is it scary?

4:36:04Yes and no. I know what it is.

4:36:11It makes it all more real. I mean, it's not... It makes it all... it just strengthens you right do you know what i mean right right it's almost like i don't even need a reminder anymore but it's like stuff starts happening and it's like oh it's almost like um no matter how scary it can be it's like a uh a bump in faith right it kind of it kind of lets you know that you're onto something right like you kind of like it's it's like an indicator that you're on the right path it's like my parents used to say the devil always overplays his hand he always gives too much because he can't control people and they'll do too much or do this and so you can kind of understand you're on the right path when bad things are happening.

4:37:13Right? I've had picture frames fly off the wall at me. I've had severe allergic reactions to communion like immediately after I take it. Like immediately. Seconds. Yeah.

4:37:39All kinds of stuff.

4:37:44That's crazy, man. Because the last two nights in my condo in Miami, it was like somebody came over with the cymbals and crashed them in my face. And I woke up. And I don't ever have bad dreams anymore, that kind of stuff. But that was like somebody was standing there as I was looking into the dark. And I was like, go away. and I prayed like it didn't affect me. And then it happened again. Like he timed it till right when I was about to sleep. And then it happened to be in the hotel room last night. The stand just launched across the room. The what? The nightstand literally goes boom, boom, boom.

4:38:27And fell on the ground. Like it's not possible, man. Yeah. If somebody literally, like a freaking linebackers in my room hit it and I tried to ignore it, but it shook me up. I mean, that kind of stuff, I mean, it just, uh,

4:38:45I don't like it, you know. Scares the hell out of me in the moment. Of course. Especially when it's in the middle of the night. But, uh,

4:39:01but,

4:39:04but when it settles down, I'm, I'm actually, uh, thankful that it happened. Does that make sense? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, absolutely.

4:39:18Because if that shit's real, you know, then the other's real. Well, it... Yeah, I think one of the things that a lot of people are right now, they're confused at our economy, at our lives, at what's going on with politics, but it makes it a lot easier when you put it in two baskets, good and evil. For me, it's like God is not the author of chaos and confusion. So I know, okay, that's not a good thing happening. It's a dark, evil thing. But I also know whom the Son sets free is free indeed. And I have to repeat that to myself a lot. You know, at the beginning of this, we were talking about success and what it is.

4:40:05Yeah. You mentioned being a billionaire. And you ran around with a billionaire for I don't know how many years and then completely, totally miserable. Miserable. I've been around a lot of them now, you know, from this. Right.

4:40:29I'm going to be honest, not very many of them seem like happy people. No. It's very rare, isn't it? Like, what is your perception, do you think? Do you ever meet that sub that seemed like they have it together?

4:40:44Out of all the people you've interviewed?

4:40:50Maybe some of them, but...

4:41:00I think it's also living in a cage.

4:41:08I think real success is just being free, man. Free. I've never felt... It's giving. Right. It's giving. Give, give, give, give, give, give, give. Just give. Right. Like, that's what makes me feel the best. Every time I do it, I just feel great. Every time I... Every time. That's awesome. We've had all kinds of success here. We've hit number one several times. We're a top five podcast. We've got billions of views. We hit number one on YouTube all the time.

4:41:54None of that shit really matters to me. What matters is, like,

4:42:03that the success enables me to make somebody's day and pull them out of a dark spot

4:42:12or just give them something in their life that they're lacking, that's a necessity or that makes it better for their family. Things like that, man, far outweigh the materialistic bullshit. You've helped a lot of people, to include myself, to come on here.

4:42:41It's kind of lonely, though, too, isn't it? Because the kickback, the return, I know we're not supposed to expect a return. But I think that's what messed back me up is not being able to process that people are not as nice as you, not as loyal as you, not as giving as you, and not as thankful as you. I've dealt with a lot of hurt in my life. Yeah, I used to deal with that. i still do a little bit but you just uh you you when i'm learning i haven't learned it all the way yet but once you do the deed you have to look away right you know what i mean because of four years decades i've always i've i've always struggled with resentment and i've always said I've got therapy about it.

4:43:34I've had all kinds of talks and priests and ministers and pastors and therapists.

4:43:44It always, you know, like you can't expect anything in return. You can't have expectations. And I've always said, like, I don't have an expectation. There's no expectation in my head. But I guess there was. Right, because you steal, yeah. And so I think the key is when you do give, you know, you have to look away after you give. At least I do. I have to look away after I give. Otherwise, it'll set in. Yeah. If I find myself seeking validation for person, place, or thing, especially like my girl, if I find myself getting hurt in any way about anything, I know that I'm seeking validation from something else other than the Father, the only one who can validate, the real Father in heaven.

4:44:45And so I'm always having to align myself back with, why did I get hurt? Oh, because I was wanting her to do something for me, which she doesn't even know how. They've proven women can't even validate a man. They don't even know how. Because men won't respect. Women don't even know what respect is. They don't even know what respect means. My girl literally is like, what does it mean? Not because she's Russian, but literally like, what is this? She's trying to make me explain respect, trying to explain respect, and it sounds ridiculous. It means that you have to treat me like a kid. You know what I mean?

4:45:24You're like, you don't get sick. You know, like, what the hell? So, you know.

4:45:36What do you think your new purpose is? Man, I'm going to fulfill this mission till the day I die. I'm going to do my best, Sean. I'm not. I can't. You know, I used to make big promises and under deliver. But I heard God very, very clearly right after that encounter with Jesus. And I said, what would you have me do now? And he says, you will be a lighthouse to my people. And I said, oh, my God. I said, what do lighthouses do? And he said, I remember, he says, you know all about lighthouses. And my response, Sean, was lighthouses aren't for sale. Because McAfee had tasked me to buy a lighthouse for him.

4:46:33and I search to and fro this world and unless you're Elon Musk or yourself perhaps with major connections and things you cannot purchase a real lighthouse a real wood because they're on federal property they're taken care of and I think the problem with a lot of Christians today or whoever out there is they don't like things to be for sell. They don't, you know, freely I give, freely I receive, you know. Like you can't sell God's word. And so, you know, I like to consider myself a lighthouse. I peddle into that. I'm not peddling the lighthouse mission. I have to work in other areas, you know, my peptide business, whatever.

4:47:21But I think to be a lighthouse, to light other people's torches at such a time as this, to motivate men and women with that, I don't know, the spirit of the same spirit that was in David, the same spirit that was in King Jehu. all these I think it's lacking I think people forget the power that they can behold as an individual with literal faith as a mustard seed just a little tiny bit and we can move mountains man and if we could all grasp this we would be a force to be reckoned with man well if you can't buy one And you got to build it. You got to build it. That's right. So I'm all about wisdom, counsel, and moving in whatever way God wants me to move now, you know?

4:48:38You're off to a hell of a start, man. Thanks, Sean. I appreciate you, man, for having me on. you know that was some powerful powerful stuff yeah at the end here thank you by the word of their testimony and by the blood of the lamb they broke through all evil that's what revelations i think it's eight says that literally by the word of our testimony and by acknowledging who did it jesus you know chains of darkness can be broken up i mean i I already feel amazing right now just talking about afterwards. It's been a long day here, but, you know, something about it is free. You know?

4:49:28Yeah, man. Because you just gave. Gave that? Yeah, that's right. That's spot on, man. You want to end with a prayer? Yeah. It's a great idea, actually. What's hoping you're going to do? You want to lead it? Go ahead. You want to go her? How about you do it? Okay. All right. All right. Dearly Father, I just thank you for bringing myself and Sean Ryan's team together and his entire audience and everybody that's listening right now. Father God, I pray right now that you would show up in everybody's life in a special way that heard this message today. and that no matter what they've been through in their life, no matter what loss or betrayal or thing that is bad that they thought that happened to them, I thank you that you literally work all things together for the good for those who love you.

4:50:25And all we have to do today is crack our heart open just a tiny bit and receive the power and spirit of the Lion of Judah so that we can walk out of here on a warrior's path in a warrior's way today. And I thank you for healing to course through the veins of every person that's lost right now out there and that's listening to this. In Jesus' mighty name. I got one more thing. Yes, sir. I just ask that you help Jimmy build his lighthouse. Amen. Amen. In Jesus' name. Jimmy. Yes, sir. It was an honor, brother. Brother, it was...

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