The Best Moments of the Shawn Ryan Show in 2025

27:55The TikTok influencer that got killed. Valeria. Live streaming. So Valeria was a famous influencer in Mexico. She had that buchona look, which is, you know, the body, small waist, you know, curves, long blonde hair from Guadalajara. And Guadalajara is a hotspot. It's the CG &G, you know, birthplace, Jalisco. And so a lot of people followed her because she was pretty, but also because she was always on live streaming, keeping it pretty real. She would just eat her favorite snacks on there. And actually, since she was murdered, people in her memory have been like buying her favorite snacks and posting about it to keep her alive.

28:43Now she's on this live stream and she's at her beauty salon that she owned. and she tells the audience that she's been told she's receiving three gifts that day and the last one is going to be an expensive gift. And so she's kind of talking through, she's excited. And a friend of hers is also at the salon with her. And first she gets a Starbucks. A delivery man comes by, drops a Starbucks. and I think at that same delivery, she got a plushie of a pig, and it's so interesting because in Mexico, too, like a pig or a pig's head is really significant. You know, it's like puerco, so you get a lot of the times, too, people will, in Guadalajara even, when people take out hits, they'll leave a pig's head on top of that person, show that person was dirty or vile, whatever the message it may be.

29:50And she got that plushie. And then she gets flowers, and then she's waiting for her third most expensive gift. And she starts saying in the live stream, she goes, Like, I'm creeped out. Something's wrong. And you can tell she's kind of on edge. And she says, you know what, girls, I think I'm going to go. I'm kind of creeped out. And her friend tells her behind the camera, no, you can't go. There's another gift coming for you. And some context to this is that Valeria had received gifts from viewers before. She really liked gifts and she would talk about how she would date men who would give her extravagant gifts and a lot of viewers would send her things.

30:40And someone comments in the chat, you shouldn't tell people where you are. And she says, well, you know, everyone knows that this is my salon, something along those lines. And then a delivery man comes, she's looking out and she mutes the live. And then you just see her take three bullets. And the first bullet, I've watched this video so many times at this point, she's wearing like a chain necklace. And the first bullet because people were saying it was fake and that it didn't look like the bullet even hit her but the first bullet hits her necklace and her necklace goes flying off it hits the pendant the whole necklace goes flying off she gets shot again and then she gets shot in the head and she's like slumped over and her hair is covering her whole face so the video is really jarring because you're seeing a woman get murdered on live get being shot three times but it's not like this cinematic boom boom boom and she's all bludgeoned and she just kind of slumps in and she's holding the pig plushie too dead and the friend comes over picks up the phone and turns off the live stream have you ever worked in silicon valley oh my god yes no shit

31:59yes i did okay so and then got this is like a short and then the government oh she just here it is she just yeah she just said yes

32:15okay so i was actually invited to silicon valley san diego based company a very big company to actually give a public speaking in front of CEOs and executives to talk about spy techniques, how to prevent manipulation, how to spot lie, how to read people, and how to increase sales using spy techniques. Nice. So, yes. Actually, I was invited by ABC and Hulu. They want to do the same. They want to kind of like film me giving a lecture about how to prevent manipulation for executives in Silicon Valley using these spy techniques from like from female spies just funny that's a real problem over there why ah you mean like because of the that is a big problem especially with the AI race going on with China right now that is a big fucking problem yeah so what do you tell them How do they, what do you tell them?

33:23What are they looking out for? How do you avoid espionage in Silicon Valley? As you said, like we just discussed that. So number one, be very cautious. Be aware of the sort of potential fake female accounts when they love bombing you. Love bombing? Like, yeah, like how did they find you? Why do they text you? Okay, we know what they want. Oh, like, I just want to meet you. I think you're cute. How you possibly can see in this little picture, like how the person looks like, right? Most of like accounts are private, especially on LinkedIn. They're not so many pictures. These Silicon Valley tech executives, they definitely don't have Instagrams.

34:12Probably not even Facebooks. So as Jamie - Here's a good rule to live by. this is just a good rule for everybody to live by if you've never had a 10 come up to you and want to fuck you and all of a sudden they're coming around it's probably because they want your money or your tech yeah or like you didn't you didn't turn into uh a 10 overnight so yes especially when you just be honest with yourself yeah but it's really hard for people especially for men to be honest like really i spoke with one person who is in silicon valley and ceo of a very big company cannot say his name and the company name because it's quite big so he knows who i am we spoke we know each other through friends and he goes you know what So I'm sitting in a restaurant, like for the lunch break, and this beautiful, gorgeous, Slovakian-looking, hot girl comes, and she's like, you know, pampering me with compliments and like blah, blah, blah, and all this.

35:28And she wanted me to go with her to have sex, like straight away. but he told me I didn't know he said I was wise enough I understood that she probably was a spy so I'm so good I didn't go with her even though it was so hard to resist do you think she was a spy? I'm like oh my god dude and then another comment also from Silicon Valley guys also quite big you know corporations big status executives and all that they said so what at least I will be fucked by gorgeous girl why not wow I'm telling you that it's it's crazy but that that's what that that's you know comments I receive wow them yeah how many I'm I am curious I mean how many is this common knowledge in Silicon Valley?

36:32Does everybody know? I think now it is because of the Times article, but before, I don't think so. You know how many actually Slovakian women go there to target potential future husbands? Probably. It's unbelievable. I know the story. Hundreds of thousands. Yeah, I know a lot of stories, actually. I don't even, do you remember like 10, 20 years ago, it was very popular, these websites, dating websites. They would call it like Russian wife or like bring Russian wife or like Russian date or whatever. Mail order brides. Right. So this American Silicon Valley based man would go online to find Russian or whatever, like Slavic looking woman, speak with them online before seeing them, make for them bride visa so they could come from Russia or Ukraine or whatever countries to America to meet with them for like, I think the visa was for six months.

37:36And they decide if they want to marry them like this woman, then she would stay under the marriage visa like the, you know, green card marriage residency. Or she would go back home. But most likely of course, these women would do everything, everything to show the best behavior, obviously, in every possible way. So this man would end up marrying them. And surprisingly, I know a lot of females having this situation. So they would particularly target American men from California, from Silicon Valley in order to move to America, get married, have kids with them. And then who knows, maybe still deliver some information to the government.

38:29And I spoke with one of them and you know what she said? We spoke about this and there was like some sort of like conflicts between different women. One woman would say, how can you actually create a family and raise kids with your target another one would say yes but um if you do that for the government like why would you do it for government right but she another one said like what imagine the situation what if your parents in ukraine or russia belarusia whatever what if they are threatened or they would be put on risk if you would reject this task from the government. So you are going to the military academy anyway.

39:22You're supposed to disattach your body from your emotions. This is part of the training. That's what they do. Your body belongs to the state. Your body belongs to the government. You with your feelings and emotions, it doesn't exist. The soul doesn't exist. Wow. Okay. So, all these things, and then they literally make you to become sort of like robotic, where even now, unfortunately, but like I cannot do anything about it, still now like my body lives completely separate from my emotions. So for example, if I have an intercourse, it doesn't mean that I have any feelings towards this man. so I still can have an orgasm and all that but and it's all good but like I don't have any attachment and I cannot you know uh create it because I was trained to remove these feelings and emotions from my body so my body was just a tool and a mission Wow.

40:34It does make sense. And you never told your dad? I never told my dad because... I mean, what would I tell him? He brought me there and then what? He would blame all his life that he did it to him. I mean, like, he did it to me. I don't want him to blame himself, you know? The invisible bomb. Are you familiar with this? Yeah. So it was, I don't think too many people paid attention. It was a video released in 2023. I was lucky because I saw the video. So I think it took for the authorities 30 minutes to remove from the internet. But there was one website where you could watch the video, I think, for a couple of days.

41:22And yeah, the airlines are still in the plan. you know, to attack. And the invisible bomb, the interesting, it's a homemade explosives. So they guide you step by step how to make your own bomb home. And the most interesting part was they made, because it's even, they even talk about it in the video that they need this research where you can buy what. For example, what ingredients you cannot buy in the United States, or it's tricky to buy because maybe the law enforcement, you know, is keeping an eye on the sales. So it's really detailed how to make it, step by step. Of course, you need patience, and it's not so easy as it sounds, but you can make it.

42:19And it's a powerful bomb. The trick what they made about it is that when you prepare the bomb, you need to remove the smell, you know, of the explosive, and then after you cover it with silicon. And that's why, and it doesn't have metal parts. So it's chemically induced explosion. so metal detectors are useless. Dogs? Dogs, no, because the silicon itself is just sealing the smell. So the only way is that, and even they show it in the video, the only way to detect this bomb is that the body scanner. The only way. Okay. So they go through metal detectors. Yeah. A dog can't sniff it. So this could easily get onto airlines, pretty much anywhere that doesn't have the body scan machine, which most, I don't know how many airports have that now, but I think it's pretty safe to say that the majority…

43:28in the video that not too many airports have it. I mean, seriously, so detailed. I mean, they did the recce at the airports and they are telling it that it's, yeah, they checked the airports, not so many. You're talking about big airports like, I don't know, I think in New York, JFK, they have it, they use it, but smaller airports, they don't. Even some large airports don't. Yeah, they don't. And even in the video, so the video, it's about to make a homemade explosive like half a kilo, which is powerful. They even demonstrate it so you can see it. And just less than 200 grams, Oh, sorry, it's a European language, grams.

44:25It's enough to make an explosion in an airplane, which is going to be catastrophic. I mean, even airplanes, I mean, that would be devastating. But, you know, we're just talking airports. What about major arenas, stadiums, concerts, football games, baseball games, hockey games, speaking events, hospitals, schools. I mean, the list goes on. Nobody has this type of technology except the major hub airports within the United States, which even some major hubs haven't even implemented this type of technology with the body scan yet. Yeah, and there are some airports when they do body search, but of course they don't touch, for example, your intimate parts.

45:13You can hide it there. How big is this? I mean, it showed like it's approximately, I don't know, like 20 centimeters, and it can contain half a kilo, which is really powerful. Is it about, I mean, how thin is it? I mean, it's like they even make the bomb, it's like a mineral water bottle, you know, and actually they use a mineral water bottle to make it. Okay. Okay, so it's like a half a liter bottle, you can make it. What kind of devastation are we talking about? It was shown on bricks, you know, they put together, and yeah, it's powerful. Could it, I mean, could it, would it, could it take a building out?

46:02No, that's not. But for example, if you just go there next to gas lines, you know, so the bomb itself, if you use one, yeah, probably it's going to kill people around you. But it's not, we are not talking about huge vicinity of that. But if you have a couple of ones and a couple of people. If I remember correctly, Scott told me that al-Qaeda is basically predicting that the casualty count will be between 50 ,000 and 60 ,000 Americans dead. Am I wrong on that? So I don't know the count that they're predicting. What I do know is al-Qaeda trained and sent 1 ,000 attackers. 1 ,000 attackers. When did they come through?

46:54So they finished training and they deployed them. Now, depending on how they come through, it could take different times, right? So the fastest I've seen an Afghan leave Afghanistan and get over the border illegally is about three weeks. Now, if you get a tourist visa and a Saudi's passport, he can fly the day after he gets his visa, right? So it depends because they are fine getting people in however they can get them in. And they actually prefer legal immigration, as you can imagine, because they want basically the attackers to sit here and wait. If they're legal, they're not going to raise any alarm bells.

47:31So wait a minute. I just want to clarify. You are 100 percent certain that there are 1 ,000 plus al-Qaeda trained fighters within the United States borders. Well, al-Qaeda says they trained and deployed 1 ,000 for this attack. First off, I think there's more than 1 ,000 al-Qaeda members in the United States. But for the homeland attack, that number is based on what al-Qaeda is saying, so they could exaggerate it. However, they did have about 1 ,400 in the Hamas attack, so the number is not off from what they did in the first round of attacks. Is there any indication of what kind of attacks these are going to be?

48:10Actually, before we get into that, how old is this information? I mean, it's ongoing. So the training's already done, right? So all the training info is now old because they trained all the homeland attackers, if that makes sense. So like next week, you're not going to get info of a homeland attacker probably at a terrorist camp because it's already done. So all this has been in the last year. So it's been over a year. It's been a year. Because this was a continuation. So they planned October 7th first, and then they rolled into planning this after. Are we next or is Europe next? I think the embassy attacks are next, in my opinion.

48:49What are they waiting for, for the embassies? I don't think they're waiting. I think it took time to train them, they've now approved them, and they've now moved into the operational stage.

49:01What about the U.S.? So the U.S., from what we've seen, I told you about the camps, right? There's the advanced urban warfare. So we think it's going to look like October 7th, but it's actually based on, and October 7th was probably also based on it, it's based on the Mumbai attacks that occurred 15 years ago in Delhi, India. And we believe this for multiple reasons. What happened there? Before we dig into that. Yeah, we talked about this, I think it was my first episode. It was basically a terrorist group, Lashkar Taiba. They did a number, it's called swarming attacks. They did a number of attacks in the deli, at a hotel, the Taj Mahal, I believe it was called, at like basically the train station, etc.

49:46The interesting thing about it, and this is why they're going to employ it now, is those terrorists were given kind of like latitude. One, they could change the location they were attacking, and they could change the modus operandi they were using. So, for example, when they went into the train station, it was supposed to be a bombing. When they got in there, they said, wow, we can kill more people just shooting them than putting the bomb together, and they shot them. Another thing that they did is, in real time, information was being passed to them. So when they were in the Taj Mahal, they were being told what was on the press and what the police were doing, and they changed basically some of their movements in the hotel to make the attack last longer, okay?

50:30Okay, so this is the part that's going to be different, right? So Al-Qaeda always wants to innovate when it does its next attack, right? So I've already told you about the innovation of the suicide vests. Well, do you know we really haven't had a suicide bombing in the United States ever? There's the Nashville guy who did the strange, blew himself up in the car early in the morning when no one was around. That's kind of it. The AT &T building? Yep. So we have not had a man walk up to a building with a suicide vest on the United States. Americans don't understand this. Al-Qaeda knows this, right?

51:01So this is new and innovative, especially now. You don't have to walk upside of the building. You can walk in the building because of the advancement of the vest. The other thing is, in the United States, we haven't had Fideon attackers. Do you know what this is? I mean, you'll know when I explain it. If you fought in, like, I don't know, Ramadi, Fallujah. So these guys are trained, and we already overlaid the video of their training, and they are going to fight until they are killed. Yes. There's no stopping them. Exactly. And that matters, right? So I was watching this video, and it was a suicide bombing in Kabul years ago.

51:36And it was the bomber blew up, okay? And then everyone starts moving in. The first responders move in, right? And then another guy walks in and blows up. We know this is a tactic, right? But if Americans don't understand this as a tactic and don't understand these attackers are going to fight to the death, think about that. So battle's going on. The attacker surrenders, right? He might have the suicide vest. You know, we let our guard down. That man came to die, right? He's going to fight until he dies or you die. So we can't let our guards down. And they know our weakness, right? So we have to be very careful that we don't have more people die in the second and third order effects of not knowing their intent.

52:22What kind of places do you think they're going to target? So this is what's complicated. So Al-Qaeda's preferences, you can imagine, is symbols of the U.S. or anything that causes economic damage, right? Capital is a great symbol. Capital was actually in, I think the capital is, a lot of people are targeting it, but the capital was in their propaganda just since 9-11 when they were memorializing 9-11, right? So the capital matters. I feel like bridges or any kind of public transportation always matters because it puts costs against us and it causes fear. But here's where it gets complicated. So remember, the terrorists might have their goal is they're going to attack the metro in D.C., right?

53:10But remember, some of these terrorists are going to be ISIS. And remember, they can change locations. So the ISIS guy might go down the metro and say, there's not many people down here. I'll kill 20, but there's an event going on. I'm going to go up there, right? Because ISIS is a little different. ISIS just wants mass casualty. So it's going to be interesting how it works with terrorists that came from different backgrounds when they get choice. So some of these terrorist organizations are looking for very strategic stuff like U.S. Capitol, basically U.S. governmental infrastructure and elites.

53:53And then on the other hand, you have what I'm used to, Sam, when we were over there, they just look for the easiest, biggest target because they want to kill the most amount of people in the quickest amount of time and get the most press out of it. And so that makes me, that would lead me to believe universities, churches, stadiums. Farmers markets, those type of things. You can hear gunfire going off, stuff like that. You can hear a couple explosions, but it's Benghazi. There's a wedding hall. Try to tell people, the wedding hall right there, you'd hear people gun, you know, they'd shoot stuff off.

54:32Then he comes up to me and says, hey, we need to get ready to roll. The consulate's been overrun. A lot of people kind of, they don't understand, like, they think it's being attacked. No, he's saying it's been overrun. So that means they're already in the compound by the time we get the call. Inside the gates. Inside the gates. So that's how fast it happened. So I run back, tell Jack, we get our stuff on, we come out. And that's when I overheard, you know, how many attackers are there. They're saying anywhere between 50 to 150. So they're all over the place. And I'm thinking, you know, we got an M4.

55:08So I ran into the team room. I grabbed a grenade launcher and the belt-fed machine gun, brought them out, you know, started doing function checks on that, went in the vehicle. I'm in the backseat. Rowan's the driver. Jack is the passenger. And we're just kind of still sitting there. And it's like going, you know, these guys, you know, they're digging in. You know, they're going to get the initiative. We're going to lose it. so I get out of the vehicle and I remember it's it's it's a Bob Hush and the deputy chief of base they're all on the front porch and I was out on the passenger side I said hey you know we gotta get over we gotta get get over there now we're losing the initiative it's gonna take us a lot harder to get onto this compound the rest of these guys and Bob goes no stand down you need to wait I'm like what the fuck what the fuck are we waiting for you know there's nothing to wait for We need to get over there.

56:01And he's like, we need to come up with a plan. We can't come up with a plan fucking sitting here. We got to come up with a plan with our eyes on the target. There's nothing we can do from here. We know the layout of the compound. And that's when Hush goes, Tiggs, you know, shut up, get back in the car. So, fine, I get back in. And, you know, it's armored, so they couldn't hear what's going on. I closed the door and I got out. I said, hey, Bob just told us to stand down. And you could just tell right then. And they're like, he's not going to let you go. That's what it meant. Well, what Sarah and what OD would have been doing throughout the years is he was actually digging into actually what happened more than the investigation.

56:40Well, weeks prior to the attack, 17 Feb had told Bob, the commander had told Bob that if something ever happened, they were never going to show up. That night, Bob actually got a hold of him before he told me to stand down that they weren't going to show up. that's why we're told to stand down. And then, you know, for them to sit and say, oh, there's no evidence of a stand down order. What the hell is that? But again, how can you rely on, it's a hostage rescue is what it is. you're going to send 17 feb in there which is which is worse than sending the boy scouts in to do a hostage rescue some of these guys with the watching the state department train don't even know how to reload a freaking rifle so it's like we are the only and like in the movie we are the only help that they had we're the only support that would that could have made a difference and that stand down order is the one ever sent guarantee is why ambassador steven and sean Smith didn't make it.

57:37They're dead because of that stand-down order. Damn, man. Well, people say, well, how do you know that for a fact? Well, they would have been engaging with us instead of setting the buildings on fire. They died of smoke inhalation. They didn't die from, you know, blunt force trauma, a gunshot. They died from the smoke from the fire. Throughout that time frame, you know we're still thinking Americans are going to help we're still thinking that the ISRs are seeing everything and we're thinking somebody's coming cavalry's coming but they weren't but at that point in time we still had some faith that they were because they normally did everywhere else I was at cavalry came whether it was another GRS team whether it was a scorpion team and NSA you know, the GRS equivalent at the NSA, whether it was military, Brits, somebody was coming.

58:38And between that two-hour lull of 1 a.m. to 3 a.m. where the next attack happened, that's where we started to come to the realization nobody's coming. And I went, did you guys hear that? it sounded like somebody's it's you know what sounded like when we used to hear the the 107s come in in iraq here that's what it sounded like i thought it was a rocket i said did you guys hear that and then i don't know something in me said more i go mortars mortars to and so this would take cover the first one hit and hit on the back side of building c and that's when the world opened up again and i remember roan he just spun he spun and he went cyclic on that other 46 and he's just over where the sheep slaughterhouse is.

59:23They're trying to come through there. Now, like idiots, they're walking their troops into where the mortars are coming. Fine with me. They can take out their own guys if they want. But Rowan is just... So I'm seeing this laser beam because it's not daylight. The movie shows this daylight. It actually was before morning nautical twilight. So it's right when the sun's made, but the night vision, you still need your night vision. So I'm watching all this. I'm seeing one guy turn and start to shoot that direction. I'm seeing another guy turn, which was Oz. The next guy was Bub, and the next guy was Dave Uvin.

59:56And, of course, I want to get my gun in the fight, but I can't see the targets because they're here. I'm here. The targets, they're coming from this direction. Mortars are coming from this way. So I'm shooting over their heads. I put a couple rounds down, and I look. And, you know, we kind of already went through this before, but I look behind me to make sure there's nobody coming from my six because I still got areas of responsibility. Nobody's there. I turn and I hit a couple more shots, and I see the next one hit, and this one hits on building C. It hits right by the parapet wall. Boom, blows up.

1:00:26As my night vision goes white and it comes back, those four guys that were shooting are now three. So it's like, you know, close your eyes. You see four. Open your eyes. There's three. Dave's hit. Dave got hit with an 81. It sheared half his leg off. It sheared half his arm off. They were on, but they were just hanging by tendons. And he's screaming. And I'm like, how did you hear that? I don't know how I heard it. But I heard him screaming. I'm here. He's yelling. He's screaming. I heard it all. I could hear it. I'm still shooting. They're still shooting. I turn around to make sure nobody's coming again.

1:00:59Because I still got my six. We still got to fight. We got to finish it. You can't quit. They got to take care of Dave. I'm not running off my position and helping. I'm just expecting maybe the Delta guys or somebody to come up and help. But I don't know. We got to fight to go. I put three rounds over the top of their head. I went boom, boom, boom. And as soon as I did that, three mortars fired for effect. Boom, boom, boom. And when they did that, my night vision went completely white because of the overabundance of light. And as it came back, they were gone. And I saw the pixie dust. I saw the charged particle.

1:01:38It really did look like they got turned to dust. Tell me about Beyonce. Despite her repeated denials, Beyonce was paid. Who was she paid by? The Harris campaign. She was paid tens of thousands of dollars to not sing. Well, no, she refused to sing. She was paid tens of thousands of dollars to give a speech that no one wanted to hear. And Kamala Harris thought all these people came out to Texas to hear her speak. Yeah, right. They came to hear Beyonce sing. And you know what? this is the second time they failed to deliver Beyonce. The first time was at the DNC. They promised that Beyonce would perform.

1:02:18Beyonce did not perform. So that was letdown number one. Letdown number two, they went to Texas to prop up this candidate who could never beat Ted Cruz, Colin Alred. And they promised, they told NBC News that Beyonce would perform. Beyonce came out and gave this speech, this boring-ass speech, and just left without performing. And then Kalma Harris got booed. She got drowned in booze because people didn't really care what she had to say. They were there to hear Queen B. So that was number one. Beyonce was paid to show up. Cardi B was paid, okay? Cardi B, who famously said she wasn't paid, her production company was paid to show up.

1:03:06Katy Perry was paid. Christina Aguilera was paid. These people were all paid. And Oprah wasn't paid a million. She was paid$2 million, okay? Let's be very clear. $2 million. $2 million to Harpo Productions. Who owns Harpo Productions? Flip Harpo backwards. It spells out Oprah. It's Oprah's production company. was paid$2 million to put on that town hall in which Meryl Streep calls her Madam President. It was a love fest for Kamala Harris. So Oprah was paid$2 million. And who else? Al Sharpton was paid half a million dollars moments before he interviewed her. An MSNBC anchor, Al Sharpton, was paid money.

1:03:56A so-called journalist was paid money moments before he interviewed the vice president. People like Roland Martin, who are attacking me now, he was paid$350 ,000 to interview Kamala. Advertising costs, okay. Advertising costs, wink, wink. To interview Kamala Harris. The Pennsylvania Democratic Party was paid$25 million after the chair raised hell for not being paid enough street money. Street money is just a boondoggle. It's a cauldron of corruption. They just hand out money to ward leaders. And so this is how donor money was spent. Donor money was spent was donor money was basically set on fire for five-star hotels, luxury trips, private, charter planes, just this ridiculous stuff.

1:04:51And a lot of these donors are hardworking Americans. I had people giving anywhere from$10 to$15 all the way to a million dollars. All of them worked hard for their money. And if they knew that their money was spent this way, they never would have given. You know, there's a lot of corruption coming out right now about USAID. Did they fund any of this campaign? I don't think they funded any of the Harris campaign, but you know, the Democrats are so pissed off and freaking out about USAID because that is, Trump got it. He hit it on the nail. That's where the corruption is. And we need to look into what happened with that missing Ukraine money.

1:05:35All those billions that were supposed to go over there and Zelensky said he never got it. What the hell happened to that money? Why are we funding transgender operas around the world? Why? Why are we funding DEI programs not only here at home, but across the globe? Someone's got an answer for it. And you can tell that we hit on the right, we hit the target by how angry they are. What does an invasion from China look like? Is it a kinetic war or is it more of a cognitive war or is it them influencing the KMT political party?

1:06:21Yeah, I can't emphasize enough that we want to avoid a kinetic conflict. There are no winners in war. But the other gray zone coercion against Taiwan is already happening. There are military assets circling Taiwan, the cognitive warfare, the disinformation, the efforts at dividing our society, weakening our domestic unity and cohesion, that is already happening. The cyber attacks are already happening. And so we also need hybrid responses. And I do not want to really think about what a kinetic conflict will look like because it will be hell and a disaster for humanity. And I think it will also be harmful to the people of China.

1:07:22And we are continuing to invest in our defenses so that deterrence will actually work and that we can avoid such a conflict. But in the meantime, all of the other gray zone areas of coercion, threats, cyber attacks, that's ongoing. And we are in a race to make ourselves much more resilient. I've used the word resilience many times today. Yes, ma 'am. And I do think that is a core spirit of who we are as Taiwanese people. You know, I grew up in a Presbyterian family in Taiwan, and the emblem is a burning bush. The burning bush is symbolic of resilience. It is also a defiance against oppression.

1:08:20it's about you know keeping keeping the spirit going and about resurrection against persecution and i think that particular spirit is not only part of my upbringing but it is very much internalized among our society and again we've come a long way in making Taiwan also a land of the free. And no person or no country is too small to deserve freedom. Is Romania in the midst of a coup right now? Indeed. That's what's happening. It's a coup d 'etat in no shame in front of all the old world. And the problem, Sean, is no reaction. Everything is illegal. After the December 6th, the last year, nobody said anything.

1:09:25How much of this, how much of this coup has to do with the NATO base that they're building in Romania right now? From my understanding, this will be the the biggest NATO base ever to be built in Europe, 1.5 times bigger than Ramstein Air Base. I understood also this. 10 ,000 troops. I understood. I understood. We, by the way, they are not Romanians. You know. So probably they had the plan before, and the Romanian people, they changed their plan. And for this reason, they put a constitutional court to stop and to cancel the second round. Because, again, I was and I am, and I should be forever, for peace.

1:10:14Why you have to have war? Why you have to? We don't need war. This is my point. What will the implications of Romania be if the NATO basis goes to completion? It will be a way for a dangerous situation of democracy in the United States. It's the main important point. I would think there will be major implications for Romania, too, if Russia decides to strike that base. It's true. I can understand, even for us. But still, it's a problem of human being communication. It's a human being, you know, part of this life related to God. If in the notes of$1, if we trust in God, is it real or not? This is my question for Washington.

1:11:15We trust in God. We trust in Romania, for sure. Otherwise we cannot arrive here. We don't arrive here without that. God made us to arrive here in this point. And for sure we shall continue this way of dignity.

1:11:47but have faith, Sean. And exactly here we are today. You have or you don't have faith. It's the main important point of our dialogue today. And this is my message. You trust or not in God because here is a spiritual level. That's what happened with Nikola Tesla too, right? They seized all of the stuff. 80 boxes of research. So when he died, it wasn't the FBI at the time, although the FBI was there. It was like the Office of Alien Property or something, whatever agency's in charge of foreigners. He died and within hours, they were in his room. This is at the New Yorker Hotel. And they seized 80 boxes of his research, all kind of research plans.

1:12:51And because it's national security. And they held onto it for months and months. And they finally returned his property to his nephew, but 20 boxes were missing. So in those boxes, allegedly, and this falls under Project Nick, is Tesla's research into direct energy weapons, to DWs, which was very hot with military at the time, with DARPA and all of that. We still don't know what's happened to those boxes, but we do know that they were researching things based on Tesla's research. And the formula, sort of the architecture for the HAARP project up in Alaska, a lot of that comes from Tesla's research and it took me quite a while to connect the dots but you will find missing Tesla's missing work suddenly shows up in patents from this guy somewhere in Alaska I forget his name and out of the blue he lands a contract with the DOD for a lot of money and they build a facility in Fairbanks Alaska and it's It's just an array of antennas in a small building, and it costs a fortune.

1:14:08Like, where'd the money go? Cost a fortune. And what it does is it ionizes and creates plasma in the atmosphere. And they say, we use this to test the atmosphere. But it could also be used for all kinds of processes. What Tesla wanted to do was create free energy by exciting the ionosphere. That was what he was doing with Wardenclyffe Tower. But he needed funding to do that, and he couldn't get any funding. J.P. Morgan was his patron, and he told J.P. Morgan, do you see it in his letter? I need a sum of money. He needed like$200 ,000 to get this project going. And J.P. Morgan said, well, you're building wireless communication.

1:14:56What do you need all this money for? And Tesla's like, no, no, no. Wireless communication, I got that. We're going to do wireless energy. We do wireless free energy for everyone on the planet can just tap into this and just get free electricity. And J.P. Morgan says, well, how do you put a meter on that? J.P. Morgan owned copper mines that made copper wire. He owned rubber farms all over the world that made insulation for the wire. He owned lumber mills and forests that created poles for wire. He owned coal factories. He owned machine shops that created generators for electricity. And he owned railroads that brought all this stuff around the country.

1:15:36Free energy shuts that whole business down. We don't need any of that. Carnegie, we don't need any of that. The Mellon family, we don't need you guys anymore. It's just free. Imagine what the world would be like if energy was just free. We're literally standing on the second floor. There's a set of ladder, stairs to go up to a landing and up. A little head pops down looking at us on the ceiling. How did he... Did he hear you guys? He had to have, right? I mean, the... Anybody inside the house had plenty of time to wake up. They heard helicopters hovering, helicopters crash. They'd heard muffled gunfire, some explosions, right?

1:16:11Outside buildings, first floor of the main building, and then now we're in the house. So they had had more than enough time to go to assume there's somebody here that's... Is it true that somebody yelled to Khalid in Arabic, he came out and then was popped? Didn't yell, whispered. It's the sexiest move I ever saw in the SEAL teams. Whispered Khalid's name. You're on the second floor, you see a head peek down the wall, look down at us, try and see who's down there. Couldn't tell. It's pitch black. We're quiet. We're not, hey, it's America. None of that. and that same seal, right, sat right next to me in the helo crash, right, in front of me on the stairs, and he literally whispers Khalid's name.

1:17:02Khalid, Khalid. Khalid had heard gunfire, all this stuff. Then you hear somebody whispering his name, not yelling it, nothing aggressive. Peaks around the corner and gets popped in the head. Holy shit. Falls down, rolls down a couple sets of stairs, AK-47. Right? He was literally right around the corner of the stairwell with an AK-47. Did you shoot bin Laden? On the ground, yes. You did? Yeah. How many times? A couple. Where at? The body. In the body? How did that feel? don't fucking tell me like, ah, just doing the job. Bullshit. You just fucking killed. You shot. I didn't kill Bin Laden. I've never said I killed Bin Laden.

1:17:52I'm correcting myself. You shot him as he was twitching at the fucking edge of his bed, and you didn't feel anything. I don't know what that counts for, but. Come on. You didn't feel anything. No sense of accomplishment, retribution. This guy fucking brought down the twin towns. We had a long way to get home still, right? I think everybody was still very focused on, okay, right, we've got one helo down, right? Let's think big picture here, where we are in this situation. Yeah, we got Knucklehead down, but... Did you know it was him? Man, looking at him, it looked like him, right? The women gave us an alias, the kids confirmed it, we went back to the women, the women then confirmed it.

1:18:36We all carried photos of him, right? And all the photos we carried, his beard was gray, and his little gray hair. I searched his bathroom. On the shelf, just above his sink, just for men hair dye. Interestingly enough, never forget this. Christmas lights are on the top of the prison. It's December 20th, 1989, right before Christmas. There's Christmas lights. I'll never forget it. Wow. And we were offset from the prison, and then the pilots did this number and then got in line, and landed right on top of the prison and it peeled off. I got in position by the cupola. I had security position looking through the window down the stairs, the cupola on top.

1:19:20And then the second two set of birds came in. They dispersed. Breacher on my team went up to put a charge up and in the process of pulling the time fuse, he knocked the charge down. and it fell right from me about from me to you and i was like what is that i didn't even you know what i mean it didn't even dawn on me it was the charge fortunately when he went to pull it he didn't ignite he did not ignite the time fuse that eric probably would have killed me if memory serves me correct it was a c6 charge which was p for plenty brother I mean, we were not going to take any chance of getting in that door.

1:20:06It was pee for plenty. It probably would have killed me because I ended up going from being the guy looking through the window. Now I'm going to be the number one guy, you know, going through the door. And I was down on the knee and I was like, what is that? I couldn't believe it. And I remember my team sergeant came up and goes, hey, man, get the backup charge ready because I had a backup charge. and i go why am i going to get the backup charge ready because the breacher's right there within the breacher went back around and he said hey come he basically had me come up for cover i covered him on the door he put the charge back up we initiated and dude it was a boom i'll never forget it it was a boom when i was looking in the cupola window the lights were on i thought the charge knocked out the lights and it was because it was pitch black what actually had happened the snipers the support guys had hit the generator and killed the lights i didn't know that till later they killed the lights in the prison so it was pitch black i come around doors long gone on the cupola i step in there's no landing sean that here's the door the steps go right up to the door there's no landing like this where you step in and then go down the steps it goes right up the door like you know out here you guys got there's not so i almost by the grace of god i don't know how i didn't trip because it's pitch black i'm walking into it and by the grace of god somehow i didn't trip went down it was not long at all to get in get situated and then they were going to start lighting up commandancia so they started lighting it up we're holding the stairwell somebody a pdf guy guard or whatever poked his head around um gary harrell was there he was the troop commander he shot at him i think he missed him pretty calm and he claimed later he thought him but i'm pretty sure he missed him not because the guy took off and then they came out with muse they put a c4 charge on his door and blew the door wide open.

1:22:20There was a guard that had told Kurt if there was a rescue attempt, he was going to kill him. Because Kurt, I think, asked him, hey, if there's a rescue attempt for me, what are you going to do? And he goes, I'll kill you. This guy was in the room right across from Kurt. So the priority was to get down to Kurt as soon as possible to beat this guy before this guy gets his situational awareness, figures out what's going on, goes over to Kurt's cell and kills him. You guys knew that before you went. Yeah, we knew it. Yep. Was he in the cell across? Yeah, he was. He was in the room across. He was in the room across, and the G-Team went in and killed him.

1:23:01Yep. He was armed with a pistol. I think the guy, I think he was in a shower, if memory serves me correct. G-Team found him in the shower. I think the guy went for his pistol or already had a pistol in his hand, and they killed him. Yep. They got Muse out. They brought in a little, you know, aviator kit bag and had body armor and a helmet, you know, a body armor and a Kevlar helmet. Peeled him out. I remember seeing him go up the stairs. A couple things. we get up we tell them hey you know pc secure to get the extraction birds out the reason books called six minutes to freedom because from when we touched down to when we called you know pc secure called for exfil was six minutes just not that we were you know it's just the way it worked out not like we had a set time standard or anything like that it just happened it was six minutes from when we sat down on top of the prison to when we were ready to exfil with Kurt Mews with six minutes.

1:24:02Wow. We were at the very top. You know what I mean? Stairwell. I remember I was here, Kurt Mews is here, and that door is here. Dude, I'll never forget this as long as I live. It got quiet for a minute. I don't know how long. Like a C-130 maybe was, you know, taking a loop around, didn't have a you know clear field of fire whatever got quiet and you could hear the prisoners screaming and when you hear somebody screaming who honest to god thinks they're going to die is a it's a sound you'll never forget now i'll never forget it it's nothing like you've seen a movie or any other bullshit these people were convinced they were going to die and they're trapped in these prison cells and i'll never forget that sound damn yep so we go up birds land i was on bird two they get muse on bird one they put him and you know inside the bird he's not on the pods they put him inside the bird and then they out they g-team who rescued him and then there ex-filling with him we lift up we go over and i see muzzle flash dude shooting at us and i'm i didn't get a beat on him but i put some rounds down at him to get him and then muzzle flash stop and i don't i'm pretty confident i did not hit the guy but i at least got him to duck so he's no longer shooting at our bird yeah we lose track of bird one we go back to howard air force base we land i'm like awesome bird one went down bird one with kurt muse went down what happened was they were serious they had two pilots they had six dudes with kurt muse they were seriously overloaded and the pilot tried to gain speed and kick back up but there was power lines so he's worried about hitting the power line so he sets down on a road a street right on the other side of the cemetery well four guys from g-team jump off and get out and they're pulling security the pilot like waves him back come on because he's going to go down he's essentially going down the street to gain you know airspeed and then he's going to lift off when they get back on three of the four guys don't hook back up so that becomes critical here in a minute anyway they go down he takes a left on this street he starts to lift up and a bird gets hit crashes one guy three of the guys all fell off one guy was still the team leader was still he was hooked in so he was good to go and muse who's in the back is good to go and there was a guy from my team my two ic assistant team leader was basically with him escorting him he was fine too bird goes down breaks the right strut off the right strut had landed one of the guys who fell off and landed on his foot, he lost his big toe.

1:27:27Then we came to Christmas Day, 1968, and didn't even realize it was Christmas because we had been so busy planning, working things out, and they had a mission where they wanted us to go in on a mountaintop for a trail watch and also look for enemy fuel lines because the NVA were bringing down fuel lines from North Vietnam that were coming down into Laos, and the fuel lines would come down to refuel the trucks as they came down the Ho Chi Minh Trail. But nobody had found any yet. So our mission was to get us at Hilltop, get inserted, do a general area recon, then the next day move out to try to find some of those fuel lines.

1:28:13So in November of 68, President Johnson declared a bombing halt in North Vietnam. and all of, not all, but a lot of the anti-aircraft weaponry that had been up in North Vietnam began coming south. So on Christmas Day, our target was just into Laos, maybe five or ten clicks into Laos. And we had a king, Captain Tuong, the one who pulled me out when I was upside down. He was our pilot that day. and instead of doing a yellow leaf asparo, he wanted to just go in low level, go right up and sit down. Well, somewhere he made a mistake and we came in, we went up the mountainside and halfway up the mountain, there was this little knoll.

1:29:03He touched down on the knoll instead of going all the way up. But we got out and there was a lot of elephant grass. So he's right there in the elephant grass. He took off and the elephant grass was thick. again is 10 to 12 feet, to the south and to the west, and even to the northwest, it was so steep we couldn't go anywhere. So Fook led off to the east. He's our point man. And with Bubba May, Lynn Black was there with us, and then we had Tuan, Fook, and Hep. And so we're there moving out, and within a half hour or less, We made contact, light contact with the NVA. So we came back, and we're back on that little knoll, and Lynn and I are talking.

1:29:52It's like, well, the northeast is the last place that we can go. And Lynn goes, but there's no activity there. We don't see anything. We've had contact here. And then people started shooting at us from down the hill in the south, and we were throwing hand grenades. all of a sudden the elephant grass catches fire down the mountain and the wind from that mountain area was blowing those flames up the hill and then the NVA were going around when they saw that they were going around and setting fires on the base of that knoll that we're on so at one point the elephant grass was burning we're looking down the hill you have all these smoke waves and And then the heat waves you see, you can look through, and you can see the NVA there lighting stuff further down the mountain.

1:30:42But they weren't shooting at us. They were all lighting up the mountainside. So I declared a prairie fire emergency. Spider was flying cubby that day. We couldn't go. Oh, and Spider comes out, and he goes, do not go to the northeast. We had an intel report. There's an NVA ambush waiting for RT Idaho there. I never had an intel report like that So we didn't go Now we're fighting the fire Lynn and Bubba cut S-4 Try to blow the flames back down the hill But the mountain and the wind and everything was blowing that stuff up Thankfully, Captain Tuong got there And he came up above us He came down the mountain flying sideways And I looked up and saw Captain Tuong and I recognize it because from that day, when I was upside down and other missions, and we, of course, had bought him drinks, he came down and he landed, and the prop wars blew back all the flames.

1:31:42We jumped on that King B. When he lifted off, whoosh, all of the LZ was covered with flames. Wow. And, of course, we left under fire. So we were firing at the NVA as we pulled down. So that was Christmas, and that we barely got out of there that day. And that night I took a shower and when I'm walking back to my hooch from the shower because the shower's over to the left past the officer's barracks and our hooches were here and as I walked back to my room I hear this little cheap transistor radio playing Silent Night. I go, son of a bitch, it's Christmas. I'm thinking about chatting to mom and dad and grandmom, you know, what they're doing on Christmas Day.

1:32:28And then I thought, you know, this is fucking crazy. I don't think I'm going to see my birthday. We keep having missions like this. I had a 22-man team. We had put two of our recon teams together because we were going after a group of NVA that had a group of American prisoners that they were trying to take through Malau's into North Vietnam and we're trying to stop them and we had stopped for an RON we had 22 people so it was a circle almost as big as this room in here and they were already arm lengths apart I was in the in the center with my assistant team leader and it was about 21 30 it was dark you couldn't see your hand in front of your face and I was really tired my eyes were starting to roll back in my head I was leaning against a tree and I heard a twig break and I opened my eyes and I was thinking myself that sounded like a twig break inside the perimeter and then I heard another one and I realized someone was inside our perimeter and was coming directly toward me I'm laying back I have car 15 playing across my lap and I can hear this person moving and I knew all of our people knew the rule once you go down you don't get back up at night anybody moving is a bad guy and this guy's coming right toward me and I think he's gonna step on me I slid my selector switch over the full auto and I'm laying there and he's coming and the air is so thick and at this point I can mentally see a silhouette coming at me although I can't really see the silhouette I knew I know where it is based on the sound and now I'm starting to hear him breathe I'm starting to hear his heartbeat because he realizes he's inside the perimeter and he's probably about to get killed So his heart is thumping.

1:35:04He's coming right at me. I can't open up because that'll light the whole perimeter up and we'll be in trouble. So I couldn't get to my knife. So I decided just as he gets to me, I'm just going to shoot my left hand up. I'm going to grab a hold of his chest, whatever he's got there, and I'm going to pull him at the same time, raise my leg up and trip him. I'm going to pull him down to the ground. I'm going to hit him in the side of the head with the muzzle of my CAR-15. As I'm bringing him down, if he yells, if he fires his weapon, I'm going to pull the trigger. So he's coming. He got into position.

1:35:51I grabbed him. I jammed the muzzle into the side of his head, just cut a big gash in his head. I bring him down face first into the mud, and he didn't say a word, didn't make a sound. It scared him so bad he didn't even grasp when I grabbed him. And then I started thinking, now what? I'm sitting here holding this guy face down in the mud. What am I going to do with him? And then I heard a whisper. and the whisper was Trung Vi, Trung Vi, lieutenant in Vietnamese. Lights, lights. What? And he said, lights, lights. Where did you fuck that up? In Africa.

1:36:47Do you want to talk about it? It's a tough one for me, man.

1:36:55I might be able to abbreviate it.

1:37:03I've been working on this one for a long time to try to be able to come out and tell the story. This kid, man, this kid who was everything to me, probably about 16 years old, he stayed out of the war efforts. He really wanted to help educate us. Earlier when I said that when we went to, in country, everybody's calling us brother American, he would be the first to say, here's why. And his kid knew everything about America. That's all he wanted to do was go to America one day. And he told me that his mom and dad were killed two weeks before we got there in the Civil War. And there's a lot of kids running around with no parents.

1:37:47And so, you know, when we see him, they're like, hey, kids, you got to go away. You can't stay here anymore. We have no place to go. We have no place to go. I'm like, okay, well, why don't you go back to your village? Your parents are dead, okay? So we had these five kids that would always hang out with us on a daily basis. They'd always be looking for work. So we'd give them MREs and food, medicine and stuff. And they'd tell us where to get, like, eggs in town and little blocks of cheese because, like, you're eating MREs every day. And, you know, there's not a whole lot of food running around in that country during that war.

1:38:15So he was extremely resourceful. Like, one day he ran into town eight miles to get an egg and a block of cheese for me and a little bowl of bread. and ran eight miles back and came back at the end of the day. And I'm like, where the fuck have you been, man? He goes, I went to get egg and cheese. I'm like, what took you so long? He's like, I went to town. I'm like, you mean you went to town? You mean did you get a ride? No, I ran. Flip-flops, man. And I'm like, you ran 18 miles to get me an egg and cheese. Yes, I guess. You don't know what 18 miles is. Because it's all they do all day is run and walk everywhere.

1:38:49And I'm like, do you see that vehicle right there? you tell me next time and we'll drive in and grab it. Okay. And so then we started doing that. I was like, that's how, how cool these kids were anyways. Um, he would start telling us where weapons cachets were and say, Hey, I know a guy that's building guns. He's not bad. He's trying to put food on his family's table. They can't sell weapons to the militia, um, you know, legally. So they're getting busted. These are part of the weapons cachet issues that was happening in the city. Cause it's just Lord of war, man. There's guns everywhere. So we would go and do these hits and eventually realized when we turn over the, you know, anybody that was a potential threat or issue, the Nigerians would take and cut their hands off on the side of the road.

1:39:30Typical African stuff. They didn't take prisoners because they don't get paid like I talked about earlier. And then one night we're down there, this kid comes in and I'm not gonna say his name, but he says, Travis, I know where a place is. And I'm like, get the fuck out of here, man. You're not supposed to be here. I don't want these people knowing that you associate with us. He was so adamant. I said, all right, fuck it, let's go. So we jump in the vehicle. We did a five-point contingency plan. We jump in the vehicle. We drive down the road, which is right around the back. And I said, hey, if we're not back in 45 minutes, this is the approximate location we're going to be.

1:40:05And we walk up, same thing. I knock on the door.

1:40:11And there's a guy sitting on a box in a little tiny room about the size of a large closet. but a couple candles lit in the room, and he had a mattress on the floor right around the corner, which the kid told me that there was a couple RPGs and AKs in there. And so I knock on the door, and he's got a... I could see an AK beside him, which they could have a rifle in their house. We didn't give a fuck. They were trying to protect themselves, but they just couldn't have caches and be selling guns. So I said, hey, you know why I'm here? And he goes... He goes... He goes, yes, I know who you are. I said, okay, can we talk?

1:40:48And he goes, no, you get out of my house. How dare you assault me? And I'm like, okay, this is different. Never had this conversation. Normally, like, yes, come in, come in. You're the Marines that are helping us. Yes, here, give me my food. Give me my medicine. Where's the Red Cross? Can I have security? No Nigerians. I want Ghana, Seneca, these only. And we'd do a quick negotiation. We'd get out of there and we would secure that village with security and food and they would love us. Well, he's pissed off. And I'm like, dude, what the fuck, man? Hey, I'm going to talk to you and you're going to listen to me.

1:41:15I know you're selling weapons and you need to stop. And I know you have them and I'm here to offer you a deal. I'm here to offer you help. You've probably heard what we're doing for you. I know. How dare you insult me? Get out of my house. I don't sell weapons to their government. I'm like, I didn't say you did yet. Okay. But, and he starts getting really belligerent. All of a sudden kid runs in

1:41:38and starts yelling at him saying, you listen to him. You listen to him. He'll help you. He'll help you. And I'm like, shut the fuck up. What the fuck, what is going on here? And I'm like, dude, why are you, you know, like, I'm trying to say, like, I don't know this kid. I'm acting fucking weird. And I was like, look, dude, I don't, shut your mouth. Listen, I'm going to give you 20 American dollars to save your life because you know, at the end of the road, there's a Nigerian checkpoint. Fuck the Nigerians. Like, yeah, exactly. And you know, what's going to happen. If you don't obey me right now, I'm going to arrest your ass and take you down to Nigeria.

1:42:07librarians fuck you and i said hey dude 20 20 american dollars at that time um the liberians told us that would be a year's salary for a liberian so i'm like we're fucking carrying cash all the time right um can't drop a rolex in liberia they don't give a shit they wanted american money and um so they they uh he takes it and he or he actually i'm sorry i'd go to give it to him and he slaps my hand away and I'm like, and he goes,$100. And I'm like, dude, what? This is, and he goes, per AK-47. I'm like, you motherfucker. And now he just admits it, right? And now he's trying to, trying to swindle me out of this thing now.

1:42:50And I said, fuck you, get up, you're under arrest. And I reached over and I was sitting on this little stool and he was about right here. And I reached over and I grabbed the mattress and I point, I go, see you motherfucker. And that's when he grabs his AK and puts it in my face. And I was like, I didn't think about that. I totally was like, stupid idiot. You let your emotions get to you. This is me looking back on the situation. The kid's like screaming. I'm like, shut the fuck up. I was like, hey, calm down, dude. Calm down. I'm here to help you again. I'm not here to hurt you. And at that point, I saw two things.

1:43:21I saw his eyes extremely bloodshot. I think he was high up on something. And I remember seeing, of course, the muzzle in my face and i remember seeing the safety on and i remember going you lose in my mind i had my 1911 on under concealment and in a safari land 071 paddle holster on my side i remember realizing in a nutshell again looking back a little bit but processing the micro thoughts that I had was, he's going to try to kill me. Gun's not going to work. He's going to relinquish control with his hand to take the safety off like an untrained person does on an AK. By the time he gets his hand back on the gun, that's going to be about two seconds.

1:44:06I know I can draw my 1911 in less than one second from concealment and smash this motherfucker right now, pin his AK up against the wall, step into his chest and pull the trigger. And step 10 happens. And it goes into it. I grab the muzzle, I step up, put my foot into his chest, pin him into the corner, fire two shots, and step back. I fall back. I hear this. I'm holding the barrel, holding the 1911. I hear this fucking scream that was like a, if you could murder a cow and the cow could scream, I don't know why that pops in my head. That's what I heard. And I almost shoot my boy in the face. And I called him my boy, like he was almost my son.

1:44:52because I felt so sorry for him that would happen to his family. I grab him, and he's just bawling, man. And I pin him up against the door jam, and I'm like, don't you ever fucking do this again? Get the fuck out of here. And I throw him outside, and he tumbles on the ground and gets up and hauls ass down the alley. And I'm standing there, and I... Anyways, I run back. We get in the vehicle, haul ass, and I'm sitting there staring at that fucking AK, and I pull the chamber back, the bolt back on it. There's a round of chamber. Like, fuck, man. What the fuck? Why did that just happen? Like, why did this kid come in that fucking room?

1:45:30Why did he, why was he so adamant about this tonight when he never does that? Like, what the fuck is going, why did he mudsuck me into that situation? And I thought about it and I sat there all night staring at that AK. And the next morning, didn't sleep one second. Sun comes up just barely. My kids aren't there. Kids are always there every morning. They're out there sitting on the railing, ready to bust rust on our vehicles, ready to get food, ready to, they weren't there. So I jog down the hill, get into town. I see one of the kids walking around in town, one of the older kids, about 19 years old, I think.

1:46:04They don't know how old they are. I go up to him and I say, hey, I forget his name. I yell his name and I go up to him and I grab him and he jerks away from me and is scared to death. and I'm like, hey, what, dude, what the fuck, guys? Where you at this morning? And he starts shaking his head and getting nervous like I'm about to cry. And he's backing up away from me. I'm like, dude, what's going on?

1:46:32And I said, I need to see my boy. Where is he? He fucking, I need to talk to him about something that happened last night. And he backs away and he goes, no, no, you'll never see him again. And I was like, why won't I see him again? And I'm trying to really figure out what the hell's going on here. And he goes, because last night you killed his father. And he turns around and runs away. And I'm like, the fuck does that mean? What are you talking about? I killed his father. His father died. And so it fucking hit me, man.

1:47:12I dropped to my knees. right there in the village. And I realized, and then I heard the stories later from the villagers that all that boy wanted me to do was get his dad out of the weapons, arms, fucking whatever that was. He was ashamed of his dad.

1:47:49and he was and I was the guy that was supposed to help him and I fucked it up

1:48:11because of this fucked up supersense of justice this ancestral curse maybe to go so far above and beyond to help other people that I hurt them

1:48:39I didn't tell anybody about this, except a couple very tight dudes, determined that it was a good shoot, fuck whatever that means. And I wanted to quit like I've never wanted to quit in my life. First duffel bag I picked up, a friend of mine from Fort Bragg.

1:49:04He went, sorry. It's okay. He went about 30 days before me and just disappeared. Nobody knew where he went, what assignment he got when he got there. He just went into a black hole. and you know so he's been there 30 days and I'm inventorying his personal effects to send back to his family and so I got real so I did that went linked up with a team and you know went to work started training with the team because we had a mission coming up in a few days and trying to learn everything I could before we went out. But anyway, that was a long story of how I got to decide. What was in the bag? He had, you know, some civilian clothes, letters, you know, to his parents.

1:50:18I mean, you know, people's personal kinds of things like that. There were letters that, you know, that had come from their families. There were letters they had written that they hadn't mailed yet. Things they'd had in their hooch, personal kinds of things that they would put in there. So, I mean, probably half to two-thirds of it, you know, I took out. but I had to read the letters to their families and that was brutal just brutal you were close with him yeah I was just anyway what was his name Stacks Lieutenant Stacks Stan Stacks and yeah you know we went through the officer court that's half course up there and you know hung out some after that but it was just a shock to my system all of the first bag you know the duffel bag with your name stencil on the side of it and I picked that up and it just holy cow man now I know where he went he went to SOG like my friend had told me you know a couple of days before don't volunteer for SOG you're a dead man walking if you do and then you know here's your stacks all of a sudden I'm sorry and I log on and there's an email from Brian Bourgeois who was in our company and it said I'm sorry about Brett I was like what then scroll down and it was a forward of a newspaper article and bred my roommate tripod he'd gone in the marine corps and finished tbi um or tbs the basic school he went to basic school then infantry school and he was down in camp lejeune and he was a rifle platoon commander getting ready to deploy to iraq he and a bunch of his friends including his best friend from high school and a fellow wrestler kevin mccann they They all met up and went to a North Carolina State football game for opening day.

1:52:43And they were tailgating. And a car came ripping through the parking lot. And everybody was throwing stuff at the car because they were speeding. And the car came to a screeching halt right in front of the Marines tailgate. These kids get out. And altercation happens. And with Brett, they almost hit a little girl. and all the Marines are like, hey man, you got to calm down. Like you guys are driving like assholes and they were obviously under the influence of something and altercation breaks out and Brett just wipes the floor with the kid and throws him back in the car. He's like, get out of here.

1:53:22And they drive away. Marines go back to tailgating. 30 minutes later, that kid walks up with a gun in his hand and fucking shoots Brett in the throat. kills him Kevin McCann his best friend not a marine everyone else hits the deck Kevin McCann jumps on the shooter starts wrestling the gun away shooter puts the gun to Kevin's head executes him shit these kids get up and leave

1:54:03He was gone. He had not war.

1:54:11He'd spent every single day of my time at the academy. He was two feet from me. He'd held me when my dad died.

1:54:30quite literally the most beautiful soul i'd ever known the smile is like would light up it lit up heaven so your brother dies at five at age five i'm age five he's 17. he dies on a They went to a school in Chattanooga. They were on the rowing team. They were both super athletic, very artistic. I mean, they were like the most well-rounded guys. They're both brilliant, incredibly artistically talented. Like, I can't even, I have my own creative talents. Like, I can't draw for crap. And they were both, I mean, brilliant. But also brilliant at math. Like, my brother Reed had a perfect SAT score. I mean, just so well-rounded, incredibly athletic.

1:55:21They were on the rowing team. Just good guys. And out of nowhere, David had a cardiac arrest and fell off the rowing machine right in front of Reed. They were 17 years old, identical twins. They never had that, like, separation that, like, psychologically twins have to go through. And if you're not a twin, like, I don't even think I can understand what that feels like. But I've talked to enough twins now. I've talked to Reed, you know, 17. I think this is the, we're going into the 18th year since David has died. So he's now been gone longer than he was here. And I've spent enough time talking with Reed throughout that period of like, they had never, they were still one person.

1:56:05They had done everything together. And he watched his brother die in front of him. There were no defibrillators in the gym. There was nothing anybody could do. He was basically dead on sight. And it was Valentine's Day in 2007.

1:56:21And yeah, it was, I mean, that changes the family forever. Do you remember how you found out? Yeah, so it was Valentine's Day.

1:56:34I got a phone call from the school. And yeah, that's like, my mom is so, I truly think it's one of the best things she's ever done. In terms of raising us, she was so honest. There was no hiding anything. Which I think in the world of helicopter parenting and trying to protect your kids and kind of putting them in this glass box, like that's become very abnormal and people would look at our life and be like, why would you not shield them from this? But I'm very glad that she didn't. But it was just like looked at me and went, David's collapsed. We need to go to the, like put down your valentines.

1:57:07We were like having a valentine's day party and we have to go. and I remember getting in the car and I had like the valentine that I had made David and I was just like five years old and holding it

1:57:22oh god I haven't talked about this in so long um

1:57:31I watched all of it I got to the school as he was being put in the ambulance You

1:57:49We went to the hospital and I had like a nurse take me out as they were, you know, talking about what was going on and they had no idea what happened. I was wearing lime green clogs and I remember because it was we were there until very late I was walking through the halls of the hospital I could hear my like Hannah Anderson clogs like clomp through the hospital hallways it's like funny the things you remember they were in like a very dark purpley room and um I had no idea what happened they think it's some kind of like like epigenetics if something you know environmental happened we have genuinely no idea at the time nothing came with the autopsy we all immediately especially reed you know we came to nashville and went to vanderbilt they have one of the best pediatric um cardiology programs in the country probably the best bid i mean hundreds of tests to figure out you know was there any risk for Reed and there was nothing.

1:58:58Nothing. What did the Valentine's Day? I think it was just Happy Valentine's Day. Like, love Brett. To David with a little heart. It was a lollipop. It was one of those ones you get at the store where you have the little note that like sticks up on it. I still have it. And on that coin, there is that picture on the back of a helicopter, which is from my personal time, which was Echo 4. We had a Target. We had been in contact for four hours. The South Vietnamese helicopter pilot, Captain Tin, flew in, hovered for 10 minutes while we struggled through elephant grass to get to the helicopter. He pulled us out, and that helicopter had 48 bullet holes in it.

1:59:40Wow. Wow. He got us back. We get back to our base at FOB1 in Fubai. I go up, climb up, say, you saved our ass. Thank you. Come on into the club. I want to buy you a drink. He goes, I'm sorry, I'm flying home. My wife is holding dinner for me. Oh, yeah. Damn. Yes, sir. Man, this has my favorite saying of all time on here. You have never lived until you've almost died. For those who fought for it, life has a special flavor that the protected will never know. Amen. That quote was written on the wall when I got to Afghanistan. Really? For the first time in the hooch that we were staying at. And I took a picture of it.

2:00:28And still to this day, it's my favorite quote. When I first got to Fubai in 1968, if you're really a cool Green Beret, you got a Zippo cigarette lighter. And I have that on my official FOB1 cigarette lighter. That saying is on it. What did it feel like when you got inducted into the U.S. Special Operations Hall of Honor? I didn't know about it. You didn't know about it? No, I had lost my wife, my son. I was living in California. and the general called me, look at his name now, and told me they were coming up with a program

2:01:21and they were looking for names to submit. And he said, everybody kind of feel like maybe you would be the first one. And I said, well, I don't know much about it, But they flew me from California, where I was living, to, I think I was in, flew me to Tampa. It might have been Tampa. I don't know. They flew me to Tampa.

2:01:54And Admiral Olson was a SEAL one time. And he's still a SEAL. He's still a Marine. He's a nice guy. He picked me to give me the first one. I didn't get the medal at first. They had to make this. Then they sent it to me in the mail. Then the Marines, this is the Vietnam medal right here. And this is the Commando medal, the Raider medal. So this is stuff all presented to me. And sometimes I forget to wear it. I don't wear it all the time, but I thought I'd wear it for your show. Thank you.

2:02:40I wish my wife was here to see this, to see me sitting there with a famous guy like you. I'm sure she's watching. Yeah, yeah, she probably is. And your son too. Yeah. Man, you talk about there was guys all over Iraq, there was guys all over Afghanistan that were in terrible situations, suffered through so much, and they sacrificed. for what we have, and we have the opportunity, and that opportunity is based on the sacrifices that these men and women have made. And, you know, you asked me right before a break, right as we took a break, you were like, you okay? And I said, yeah. And I did a podcast with a guy named Tom Fife.

2:03:31And Tom Fife was in World War II, Korea, and Vietnam. And he got a Purple Heart in World War II, Korea, and Vietnam. And I was talking to him, and we talked about World War II, and he got commissioned for Korea. And by the time he was in Vietnam, he was a battalion commander. And we were talking through the different types of missions, and all good. And we got, I just was curious about, you know, what the operations were like. And I ended up saying, you know, well, how many casualties did you take as a battalion commander? And he got choked up. And I was sitting there watching him get choked up, and I was like, oh, this is 50 years ago?

2:04:24And he's getting choked up thinking about his guys. And that was a moment for me that I realized that's okay. And I think we've been told that there's something wrong with us, but there's not. Like, you get sad when you think about your friends, it's okay. You get a tear in your eye when you hear the national anthem, it's all right, man. And you sometimes spend a little too much time thinking about something that you went through, it's okay. And I think it's important for us, our generation of veterans, to recognize you went through some tough stuff. Think about it sometimes. It's hard. And that's okay, man.

2:05:16That's okay. Thank you. You were looking for solar... All the alien stuff. Yeah, let's talk about the alien stuff. Oh, God, people love aliens. All right, so I watched... Avi Loeb on Joe Rogan. He was talking about Muimua, which is like this cigar-shaped alien vessel thingamabob that doesn't seem to be from our solar system and it doesn't seem to be natural. And I was like, wow, this Avi guy is really cool. And he had something called the Galileo program. And so I reached out to Avi and I said, hey, I'm a big fan. And I heard that you guys are doing some interesting stuff. Is there anything I can help you with?

2:05:56And Avi's like, well, we've been tracking this one heavenly body, this meteorite that hit Earth in 2014, and we think it's from a different solar system because we did all the mathematical calculations and we figured out where it landed, roughly speaking, and we think there might be a chance that it's not natural. I was like, oh, that's interesting. I said, where is it? And they said, well, you know, we got some data from the Air Force, but they won't give us the right resolution, but we have enough resolution that we think it's like, roughly speaking, 50 miles off the coast of Papua New Guinea.

2:06:28I'm like, okay, so what do you want to do? And he's like, well, we want to set up a sea salvage operation and go, you know, find it. He's like, you want to be part of it? I'm like, do I? Fucking sea salvage operation off the coast of Papua New Guinea. This is going to be interesting. All right. So it was like a heist movie. We had like assemble this team of people and we had this weirdo air force guy that went with us. And then we had this old sea captain who was like 87 years old named Art Wright, who is like the Navy's find it guy. You know, he found like Russian nuclear subs and all these other things.

2:06:57And he fought in Vietnam as like a captain in Laos and all these other things. You know, he's just seen some horrible shit his entire life. It was crusty as hell. And then we had this guy from New Zealand, whose name will come to me in a second. And he was like a famous submarine diver. And he was good friends with James Cameron. And he got into the Titanic a dozen times and all these things. So it was a really eclectic crew of people. And I put in the money and a Netflix crew came down and they actually shot a documentary while we were down there, and they're still working on it. So we also had a documentary crew that was led by a really unique director, who was special, and obviously Avi himself and all the Harvard scientists.

2:07:36And we got on this ship called the Silver Star. So we planned out the whole expedition, and we flew out on my jet to Manus Island, and then we took off. And what we had to do is we designed this sled with magnets on it, And basically, we had it fall behind the ship and sink all the way to the seafloor 6 ,000 feet down. And then we dragged it. It's kind of like space balls when they're combing the desert. You know, they're out there. So you just drag the sled behind the ship for eight hours. And you bring the sled up in a very dramatic way. And then you take the sled off. And then we had to clean the magnets off to see if we can find fragments from the meteorite that was there.

2:08:16And we did this for two weeks. and it almost became like a horror movie because we were like tightly confined in the ship and because of the schedule, you had a polyphasic sleep schedule. We were running 24 hours a day to save money and nobody was sleeping properly and it was very high stress and things kept breaking and things kept going wrong. And like the experienced sailors like Art, he would be a super stoic guy. Like every morning, go down at 5 a.m. talk morning, Captain, morning. And I was like, I heard you were a rowing champion and at 87, like how do you do that? and they all died. It's like, he's a man of few words, Art.

2:08:54But then, you know, Avi, he decided to stop sleeping in his cabin and sleeping instead in the common areas. And then, oh God, we nearly killed him because he kept turning off the air conditioner. It was like 120 degrees with the humidity because we're right in the equator and it's the middle of fucking summer. And for some reason, I don't know why, in the common area, which is the only place we can hang out on the ship, anytime he was wearing his laptop, he would turn off the AC and it would get just unbearably hot inside the area. So we'd go and turn it back on, then he would turn it off. Turn it back on, then he would turn it off.

2:09:28And like the first few days, ha ha ha, we're all fine. After about two weeks on a ship, not sleeping properly, you know, that motion and everything, we're like, do you think the world would miss Avi Loeb if he fell off the ship, you know? But anyway, he was a good man. And what we ended up finding, because after we process all the samples, we sent them over to Harvard and they analyzed them, that we found these spherules that are from a different solar system. So after analyzing them, they have about 5 ,000 times the concentration of beryllium, lanthanum, and uranium. And so what we think happened was that there was a planet that smashed into something and it broke open and its core was violently ejected.

2:10:08And then it traveled for a billion years into interstellar space and then it ended up hitting the Earth. Wow. Which is the chance of that is like so infinitesimally small. And we wrote a paper about it and it got published and they want to do another expedition because now that they found those fragments, they think they know where the big pieces are. And if you find a big piece, you can use different types of analysis to be able to actually definitively know what solar system that it actually came from. But because, you know, when these things fall, they kind of like the outer skin melts and And as it melts, they drop down and they form spheres and then they sink to the bottom of the sea and they just sit in the abyssal terrain forever.

2:10:47But I think it's the first exosolar thing ever recovered from the seafloor. So I was really proud of that. You know, we helped design the sled and did all these things. And we actually designed two sleds. And one of them that I designed, they didn't use. And then the other one with the magnets they ended up using. The one that I helped design was a sleuth box. Because I used to gold pan and I used to do the sleuthing for gold on riverbeds. And what you do is you have these riffles in it, and it takes advantage of the density mismatch between the sediments and the gold. And so you're saying, well, if it's alien technology or it's like a heavy iron or something like that from a meteorite, it's probably really heavy.

2:11:20It's pretty dense. So if that material is really strong and really dense, then it's going to be much easier to sort it out from sand that's on the seabed, right? And so if you use a sleuth box, just like gold panning, you should be able to filter it out. The problem is that we tested it off the west coast of the United States, like right off Washington State, because that's where the guys who designed everything was. And that was a radically different seabed than Papua New Guinea. So it kept getting clogged up, and we couldn't end up using it. We were worried, actually, that we were going to break our line, because we had this giant spool in the back.

2:11:54And, you know, it has to have enough rope to go down 6 ,000 feet and also then drag this thing behind the boat. and we're like, man, that's probably gonna break with some snapback and kill somebody. We should probably not do that. So we ended up just using the magnetic sled instead. But we had a lot of fun with it. Like, you know, the thing, you know, where they had that soundtrack from it, you know, dun dun dun dun. So we made a little video, you know, on Twitter of like the sled coming up in the middle of the night and like the thing song theme there, you know, because he was, hey, you never know, it could be alien shit, you know.

2:12:26And we never told Avi this, but my security detail and I always said, look, if we actually find something alien. We had a whole protocol for how we were gonna secure that and take it off the ship and take it to an undisclosed location to decide what to do with it. And only later did we tell Avi that we had it. We called it the touchdown protocol. And these were all, like, green berets that were with me. And I didn't have a seal at that time, but I really wish I had some Navy guys, because the berets didn't do as well on the boat as Billy would have done. What are the face peelers? Okay, so back in 2023, in the summer of 2023, in July, there was a series of videos that went viral on social media.

2:13:08And these videos were captured in the Peruvian Amazon in the region of Alto Nanay. And they featured a chaotic scene at nighttime in which the villagers were running around screaming, pursuing something, and discharging their firearms into the jungle. And subsequent interviews with members of the community revealed that they had been assailed by these very strange people, beings, who were dressed in body armor. One of them said, reminiscent of the Green Goblin from the Spider-Man movie, and that these assailants could fly, that they could hover a meter off the ground, and that they were impervious to gunfire.

2:13:59How did she get into witchcraft? Oh, Michelle. Yeah, so she got into this thing with Stan. She married Stan. Stan was, like I said, he was a really, really terrific guy. He was a really awesome guy, good looking. and, you know, rode a Harley. I mean, first thing in the morning, the whole fucking neighborhood vibrated, and who wouldn't want to be married to a cop like that? So, and his tour that he had to do every day was Pacific Coast Highway in Huntington Beach. That doesn't suck, right? So, anyways, he left her, and she was heartbroken, and she went crazy, and she started pursuing alternate means because God had not worked for her.

2:14:46The God of the witnesses that she'd been praying for, her husband had come back. Didn't work for her. And she... I had ran away from home and I moved up to Idaho and I was living with her and her kids in a trailer, which was awful, just fucking awful. And she went to work one day, and I started playing hooky from school because my nephew had told people at the school I was a martial artist guy, and the first day I got there, I got cold cocked. And I figured, I'm not going to this school because I'm not going to deal with this every day. So I started playing hooky. I figured I would run away back to home.

2:15:28But one day I went back into where her bedroom was, and there was a candle that was on her desk that had melted. and it had some substance in the top of it, it looked like moss, and there was a picture that was burnt in half, and it was a hex to have him leave the girl he left my sister for, who was a big blonde bombshell from a bar, and to come back to my sister, who was not a big bombshell blonde. And I'll be damned if he didn't come back. Are you serious? He came back. He came back. So I figured, wow, this has got to work. And I saw the book. It was just a little piece of paper. It was like, you fold it in half, and that's a page.

2:16:22And it was like a 20-page booklet or something like that. And it had a couple hexes in there, and I tried two of them, and they both worked too. So at that point, I had to tell my wife what I had done, and we started on the journey of trying to get the oppression, the demonic oppression that had happened to me by opening up my defenses and asking for, you know, the Dark Prince to help me put a hex on somebody. That really fucked my life up. And it took years for us to get out of it because we were going to, like, San Francisco up to Filipino priests that would lay hands on you, and I had some Indian rajahs that would do cupping and acupuncture and crazy stuff like that.

2:17:12What were your hexes? Well, one was something that had to do with the guy that actually punched me at school. What happened was we went to school that day, excuse me, I went to school that day, and the guy walked up to me and just slugged me, and he said he was going to see me after school. Now, we rode a normal school bus to one point, and then the bus stopped, and all the kids got out for a smaller bus that would take us out into the rural area. And so we stop, we get out, and everybody circles around the two of us, like we're gonna fight right there. And I'm thinking, oh my God, this is going down.

2:18:01So everything I'd learned up to that point, you know, was going through my mind. And the second bus shows up, and we get in the bus, and we take off. And he's coming up to his house, and he walks through the walkway in the bus and elbows me in the back of the head as he's getting out. And I was trying to fit in, so I had a mouthful of Redman, and I was trying to get into the whole chewing tobacco thing because that's what everybody else was doing. And when he hit me, I went, and I swallowed that shit. So I went back to my sister's trailer and I got really, really sick. And I figured, that's it.

2:18:42I'm going to do something about this. So I looked through the book and I found something that would do what I wanted. And I did that hex. And then there was another one. What did you want to happen? I really don't want to get into it, because I don't want anybody to be misled and try and figure out what I did and go down that route, because it was a terrible deviation from what was good and right in the world for me. Of course, that power's out there. Without black, there's no white. But it was just... For me, after that happened, I realized that I don't want to... I really don't want to talk about this.

2:19:19I really don't want to get anybody interested in it. So I'll talk about it to the degree that I'm comfortable with where I know that nobody can be misled from it. And then you did another one? I did a second one, and that one was something when I had moved back to California already. And there was somebody that I wanted, and I was just, you know, I was an ugly, redheaded, freckle-faced kid with short hair and sweat rings, and I didn't have any chance of being with this girl, but everybody in school wanted to be with this girl. So I figured, what the hell? You know? I say that quite a lot in my life, right?

2:20:10And we were together and then we weren't. And it worked again. Wow. Yeah. So what is, I mean, I don't know much about witchcraft. You don't want to. What is the, in a snapshot, what is it? Is it? Well, there is an understanding that there are black witches and white witches, that there are witches that do good. But witchcraft is the witchcraft. It's the use of the elements and, you know, there's alchemy, there's wizardry, sorcery, electricity, magic. There's use of blood, use of spit, use of sperm, use of all of these things that are all part of what was created and being used in an unnatural way.

2:21:10So, you know, for me, when I walked away from practicing any kind of witchcraft, because I didn't practice it. I did it two times, and both of them worked. And then I went, this is bigger than I am, and I'm not going to mess around with this. And so I wrote the song The Conjuring, and there was another song that was kind of along from that inspiration, from that experience, it was a bad omen. Wow. You started with Coke, right? Yeah, I mean, basically, but when I really... I went... I went straight to crack when I, like, decided that I was gonna drop off the face of the earth. Go full-time? Yeah, yeah.

2:22:04Did you do... Did you... I'm just curious, did you partake in any drug use as a child? Yeah, I tried everything, but nothing stuck like alcohol. Nothing. Yeah. I actively sought out the thing that I thought was the most destructive thing that I could do to myself at that moment in time, beyond physically harming myself. What was it that took you to rehab? What was it that made you want to get better? Like, what was the realization? Finally, at the end, I mean, that was in 2000, I think, I get my years a little bit mixed up, but that was a year after Bo's death, 2016, where I basically stayed sober and attempted to stay sober for that year period, in which I was under the care of somebody, a professional.

2:23:02And the thing that wanted me to stay sober and clean is my family.

2:23:12My three oldest daughters are like they were my whole world.

2:23:22And I was an enormous, I was like a constant presence in their life because for the vast majority of it, I was clean and sober. And I was not a user or a drinker in that I would ever kind of do it around them. I don't think that there are more than maybe a handful of times, and I can't speak with them. All I can say is this, is that I was a very present parent. and then all of a sudden I was gone all of a sudden I was

2:24:01completely unavailable and I don't think there's anything more traumatic that you can do than that and so I always always or at least when I when I start to feel sorry for myself be like fuck like god damn how lucky am I how lucky am I that they still pick up the phone never stop loving me I don't deserve that nobody deserves that but I have it and

2:24:49and it's an incredible thing

2:24:54it's a good way to live but here's the thing we are all a victim of our algorithms and so are you and so am i and i'm not i'm not like pointing the finger no i'm aware and i don't that's my story about the people that came up to me at the you know screaming in my face is that but there is a truth sean but who's benefiting who's benefiting from turning us all like i mean like at each other's throats of like concocting this bullshit i'll tell you that to begin with it's our adversaries and then on the second it's the people that really control these fucking things and it's oligarch not political people it is the people that control billions and billions and billions of dollars and those are the people that are benefiting 100 do you think that mark zuckerberg gives a shit about any of this do you think that in any way no i mean let me point this out i mean there's a whistleblower you want to just watched every single tech billionaire oligarch whatever you want to call him literally switched from the biden administration right into the trump administration they're all there they're all bitching about trump but here's the thing they hated my dad what did we do we brought in the whistleblower we tried to we not we i don't have anything to do with the fucking part of it and i agree with you nobody's fucking held them accountable if you really wanted to be able to hold the social media companies accountable, make them liable like everybody else for fucking killing little girls because driving them to suicide.

2:26:37I mean, they literally testified before Congress and whistleblower and showed how they manipulated the algorithm to send our children into depression and suicidal states. And you know what? They didn't change it even when they were notified of it. And even when they became aware of it, and even when they saw that people were taking their lives, teenagers, kids, they did nothing about it. And we have the facts and the data and all of an actual witness testimony that they did this. What did they do? Not a damn thing. And did anyone hold them accountable? Anybody in Congress? You know why? Because the biggest fucking problem that we have in this country is money, is money in our politics and money in our media and and and that's nothing new but if you want to find a common enemy you know i don't understand how they don't realize that people are going to pick up some fucking pitchfork soon man maybe they do realize it well i'll tell you what maybe that's why they're building their bunkers and their billion-dollar yachts and their hidden structure, I don't know.

2:27:52But it is, at some point, I think what I was saying before is that there is going to be this unholy union between radicals that both come to the same conclusion, is that no one can be trusted and everyone is the enemy and chaos is the only answer why did joe biden not demand that the release of the epstein files if it was such a big deal to democrats i don't know the same reason that joe biden didn't demand that um they drop the prosecution of may because he didn't involve himself with the department of justice because as every other president before him other than richard nixon who resigned because of it he didn't direct the department of justice to do one thing or another.

2:28:43Why didn't Merrick Garland do it? Guess as good as mine. I don't know. But I will tell you this, is that now we're here after we have an FBI director, a deputy FBI director, a attorney general, and several other people that are in his cabinet, and the president himself, who largely got elected through the energy of the people that wanted to have, for absolutely the right reasons, these files released, regardless of whose names were in it. And they haven't released it, and they fought it tooth and nail. And then they had to get legislation, and then they passed the legislation, and he said, don't sign it, or don't vote for it.

2:29:28And then he said, go ahead and vote for it. And then we have reports that there's, what, 100 FBI agents that spent thousands and thousands of hours of scrubbing his name from the files. Oh, I'm sure they did. Yeah. And now we can't trust anything that's going to come out. And who fucking loses? The children. I want to tell you something, but I don't want to offend you. Yeah. The thing that makes you look very guilty is the pardon. The pardon from, was it 2014 to... Yeah. What, 2024 or whatever? Can I tell you why? Yeah. Makes me look guilty? It's because I was found guilty. And that's what a pardon's for.

2:30:13Mm-hmm. But it was a blanket pardon. Yeah, because you have to be able to go back. Because the charges stemmed from over seven years ago. So they went all the way back to 2015 for my taxes. That's what I was charged with. It's now 2025. Those are the crimes that I was pardoned for. in which I pled guilty to not filing my taxes on time and incorrectly identifying business expenses as, personal expenses as business expenses. That is all it's for. It's fucked up and that I, you know, like that my dad gave me a pardon. You don't think that that like really makes me like feel like fuck. Like I'm the poster boy for that.

2:31:01I'm the poster boy for, you know, the elite son of the president who got something nobody else could possibly ever get, simply by the fact of his birth. No matter how much he fucked up, he got away with it. And to your point, you got these guys sitting here trying to figure out how they're going to fucking make ends meet to make it to the end of the week, and that are getting, you know, just got pulled over by some fucking state cop that's giving them a fucking hard time. And they come back and they turn on Fox News, or they put on the Sean Ryan show, And here's fucking Hunter Biden. Like, he got a pardon.

2:31:39He got something I didn't. It would piss me the fuck off, too. I get it. I mean, what do you want me to do? Yeah. God, I hate, I hate, and I'm fully, fully aware of every room that I walk in. And I walk in with your guys, you know? and I see that you put together a team of people that are like, they're buttoned up. From the guy that picked me up at the airport to, you know, to Jeremy. Like, they're buttoned up guys. And I mean, you just get a sense in that. And I bet you they don't fucking think that I'm a decent human being before I walked in here. I know I walk into that room with the incredible advantage of incredibly low expectations.

2:32:30Because they not only think that I'm, you know, a near-do-well, and somebody that's been given all of the advantages of the world and squandered them, but they also think that I'm sleazy on top of that and that, you know, I'm a part of the problem. And that's, and, you know, it is a beautiful thing to be given the space to try to give them a different impression. What do you think they think now?

2:33:03I don't know. I think that they think that I probably fucking talk way too much and that they're thinking, when is he going to shut up because we want to go home and eat dinner with our families? I think that that's what they're thinking at this point is that I've just literally tired them out. I've submitted by verbal diarrhea. That's what I think they think. No, I don't know. You know what I think they're thinking? What? Motherfucker, we got fooled again. You know.

2:33:41One thing that I never, ever, single thing that I never doubted in my life was the love of my brother.

2:34:09yeah

2:34:14and he could beat the shit out of me and I could you know I mean we were brothers you know I mean I don't know we uh and we fought and and uh but never my life you know would ever ever doubt that no matter what sorry is that

2:34:51that he would jump off the bridge for me

2:35:06yeah sorry it's been 10 years I'm still crying over it but not bad tears I promise you it's like I feel so incredibly lucky to have that relationship and still have it I really mean it I still have it I mean that's the one thing that I'm positive of is that is that I am... In my best moments, I'm fully 100 % connected to that. And God...

2:35:50What a gift. Have you heard of the Milgram experiment? No. So this happened in Yale. I'll give you the short version. 1962, I think. World War II is over, these Nazis are on trial in Nuremberg, and they're asked, like, why did you do what you did? And they're saying I was just following orders. So this guy at Yale, Dr. Stanley Milgram, runs this experiment. Will people just follow orders? So let's say you volunteer for this experiment. You respond to an ad in the paper that says, we'll give you a free bologna sandwich lunch voucher or whatever at the cafeteria and 20 bucks. So you show up and it says, we're doing a study on learning and the effects of punishment on learning.

2:36:37So you - I think I do know about this. Is this the shock thing? Yeah. Go ahead, go ahead. So they've essentially got a guy in the room right beside you strapped up to a machine that's going to shock him. And they sit you down at a machine and your job is to read off some words. And when he gets a question wrong, you shock his ass. And then you move the shocker up, shock them higher voltage for every wrong answer. We keep moving it up. And at the end of this little shocking machine, it says 450 volts, XXX danger severe shock. Two thirds of the way through this shocking thing, the guy in the other room, you can hear him screaming.

2:37:14You can hear him yelling when you shock him because the thing's painful. He's an actor. He's not ever getting shocked. But two thirds of the way through, he stops. And he says, I don't want to do this anymore. I want out of here. I have a heart condition. I don't want to do this anymore. And you look back at the guy running the thing in the lab coat, the guy in the lab coat says, it's important that you keep going. The experiment has to continue. The experiment requires that you continue. And, well, you keep going. And around like the 400, 350 volt mark, the guy in the other room stops making all sound and stops responding to questions.

2:37:51He's not even answering the questions anymore. And you turn around to the guy in the lab coat, the guy in the lab coat says, any non-answer must be treated as an incorrect answer. Please continue. Keep going. And then these people would get to the end, this 450 volts, and they'd shock him, like, well, that's it. You know, we reached the end. The guy in the lab coat says, please continue until you've read all of the questions on the quiz. So this guy, they think, might be dead in the other room. They're just keeping going at this 450 volts in the other room. So before the experiment started, these psychologists, psychiatrists got together and formed a hypothesis.

2:38:29And they said, who's going to go all the way? And they said, 0.8 % or 0.08 % of people will go all the way. 67 % of people went all the way. Holy shit. And they redid the experiment. They said, oh, well, there's an inherent belief of safety because it's in a college. They've done it in apartment buildings and basements and office buildings with college-educated people, high school-educated people, all income levels, about 67 % of people will go. Why do you think that is? It's two factors. It's number one, our inherent obedience to authority or perceived authority. Guys in a lab coat, I'm at this thing, the guy's in charge, the guy's tall, whatever it is, if we perceive authority, that will kind of overrule us.

2:39:20If you go back to our tribe days, if I disobeyed my tribal leader, that means no food, no sex, and no kids, no DNA survival. So that's a big deal. Second, and one that they didn't talk about, this is my theory, is novelty. So when something breaks from what we expect to happen, so like you've done a a shitload of podcasts in here. But like if this wall started opening up and there was a, this was a garage door and you didn't know it until just now, you would freak out. No matter how much I kept talking, you would keep looking at that, right? Because it's brand new and it's unexpected. So when things happen that are new and unexpected, all of our focus is generated, which is the first part of the fate model.

2:40:09Anything new generates focus. So for our tribal ancestors, This is when they're walking past a bush every day, and one day there's a big stick that snaps behind that bush. All of their focus goes on to this unexpected new information. So in the Milgram experiment, this is a person responding to an ad they've never responded to, driving to a building they've never been in, in a situation they've never been in, meeting people they've never met, sitting in front of a shocking machine they've never seen before. every single aspect of it was brand new, which maintained a ton of focus. So focus is, you can manufacture focus with novelty.

2:40:52Anything unexpected kind of breaks you out of your script and tells your brain to say, whoa, I'm not able to predict what's happening next. I need to pay attention. So like we have a little script for driving our car. And the moment something unusual happens, all of our focus kind of drifts back. This is when we can drive past our exit or stop sign or whatever. So I think that one thing that Milgram experiment does is it shows us how rapidly we can be compromised. And this is in like 25 to 40 minutes. You'll kill a stranger. The majority of people will kill a stranger in under 45 minutes. and 250 volts is enough to kill somebody depending on amps and other stuff that was a hundred percent of people a hundred percent that was a hundred percent of people went up to 250 yeah which is terrifying but it shows us that we're all running the same hardware and it's easy to hack and the more we're aware of what's happening around us and like this is probably leading me in a certain direction why am i feeling this way the more aware we can be of that stuff we can be a little bit more in control we're never fully in control because there's we don't have the antivirus stuff in our head what are the others i mean what what what would some of the other signs be that you are in the midst you know of a psyop i mean first thing you said was people being silenced.

2:42:30Yeah. I think that's a big one. What are some of the other signs? Uh, brand new and unexpected things happening, like the drones in New Jersey, right? So let's go back to the fate model, focus. So is something new and weird happening that's capturing my focus? Are there celebrities tweeting about it and people that are high up in the government talking about it? There's authority. Am I seeing large groups of people start talking about this one thing? Or am I being made to think that a lot of people think a certain way? There's tribe. And then, am I getting called to action and getting installed with this new identity that makes me feel intellectually or morally superior?

2:43:14And there's the emotion. So is my, that little fate model, is that being targeted somehow? And most of my income comes from jury selection and consulting on trials and stuff like that. And the one thing that I teach attorneys is, if you want to persuade an entire jury, the only thing that you've got to do is capture their focus, have more authority than the other attorney foster a sense of tribalism and us versus them and when you say the word us you get the jury to think of you and them as one unit and then get some kind of emotion in there during your closing arguments or during one of the depositions and you'll win the case that i have a 200 money back guarantee when i do trial consulting wow wow and it's it's easy to do if you just know how to trigger all those responses in the human brain.

2:44:14It's not hard to hack. What the fuck is going on in the world? Well, there's a spiritual war underway, which I didn't take seriously enough, and you can't understand anything that's happening unless you understand that. I leaned out. I leaned, like, just like we were talking about this, I had to, I had to, I just had to lean out. I can't tell what's real anymore. We talked about that on your podcast. It just keeps getting fucking worse, And, you know, I just, I'm just looking for, you know, I'm just looking for something that I can have an impact on. And it's getting hard to find. Well, you know, it's hard to gauge the impact of really anything because our timeline is totally distorted.

2:45:02And at least I'll speak for myself. I always think that if I say something that's true, it will have an immediate effect. And there is a kind of vanity to that. Like, can't anyone hear what I'm saying? Like, I already showed that's a lie. Like, why aren't you adjusting your behavior? And it's like, well, because I'm not God, actually. I'm not in charge of anything. I'm a podcaster, which is important to remember if you're me, because there is so much vanity. People are always like, oh, it's so important what you're doing. And it's like, really? If I was doing something useful, I guess we wouldn't be here, would we?

2:45:32And that is so frustrating that I opted, it was with a song, Conversation Wonderful, which I wish was on tape, because it was so deep, but I know... Don't worry, everything on breakfast is recorded. You should have said it! But, no, I mean, I know the feeling so well, and you were saying, I can't even deal with this, I don't want to deal with it. And I said, oh, man, in June, after we, the United States government, bombed the nuclear facilities to really no effect, let's be honest, I was so frustrated and disappointed and mad The people aren't listening to me. I kind of retreated. And I live in a place where you can retreat to our fishing camp, which I sincerely love.

2:46:16But really, its signature quality is its remoteness. It's not near anything at all. And we did have Starlink put in a couple of years ago. So you could text from there. So, like, why wouldn't you go there on all your off hours with your dogs and just, like, alone in the woods? So I literally did that. And then in September, you know, Charlie Kirk, who's my friend, was murdered. And with the encouragement of another friend of mine, I began to realize that what I was doing was totally self-indulgent. And we're not here to enjoy solitude in the woods or enjoy our fishing camp, the fruits of our laborers, which is a very cheap fishing camp.

2:46:54But still, it's like so close to my heart and what I really love about this country and my life is being in the woods. So, but that's not why we're here. You know, when you're building this shit, you sure as hell don't think you're gonna look back on the times that you were, before you even thought about building it, and go, those were simpler, better times. It makes me fucking sad. You can always be sure you look backward and consider time that has passed simpler and better. That's just the nature of life. You will always look back. I look back on the 80s and I'm like, damn, I correspond with my girlfriend by letter.

2:47:30You know, how great that was. I just think that's the way people are, but I also, I think of it this way. It's like, and I think that's not just of myself, but of everyone around me. The more blessed you are, the deeper your obligation. That's just true. The point of leadership is to protect the people you lead. I don't believe in a flat society. I'm not a populist in any way. I believe that no structure beginning with the family works without leadership. And so I think a lot about what is leadership, and leadership is sacrifice. And so the more you've been given, the deeper your responsibility to sacrifice for others.

2:48:08I really believe that. And that's obvious when you're working hard toward a goal. You know, I'm putting everything into what I'm striving to achieve. You know, I'm fighting my way up. The problem for men, and so few men actually achieve this that it's almost never talked about. The problem for men is getting what you want. The problem is winning. That's what destroys you. I mean, you've been in real fights, obviously. But real fights, I happen to know. Not just with others, but with yourself. And you prevailed. That's way easier than winning. Winning is what destroys you. David was not intimidated when he picked up the stone against Goliath and then ran up and beheaded him.

2:48:47The problem set in when he sees this girl, he's like, I can bang her, I'm king. He destroys himself. That is the template for the way that men are. And no one tells you that because, again, there are so few people who actually get what they want, and there's no support group for people who won. But I know a lot of them. I know that you do too. And a consistent theme in every story is, the second I got what I wanted, I could feel myself starting to self-destruct. And let's say, you know, you really, your life's goal was to help Black people, which I'm not against. It's a fine goal. Help Black people.

2:49:21How long would it take you, if you really wanted to help Black people, to get to the solution defund the police. You would never arrive at that solution because obviously defunding the police is not going to help black people or white people or Asian people or any people. It's not going to help people make the police better maybe, but get rid of the police. Like, how does that work? How is that possibly going to wind up improving anybody's life? And of course the answer was it can't and it didn't, but it was never going to. So I watched that and of course I'm opposed to it, you know, for the normal conservative reasons.

2:49:56We need police. But even the fact that we were having that conversation was a signal to me that this is a very different thing than I'm used to. This is people advocating, and not just like the underclass. By the way, black people played no role in that conversation at all. No one ever asked black people what they thought. It was just like eight of their designated representatives on MSNBC were like, I'm a black person. But no one actually asked black people what they thought because no one cared. The point was never to make anyone's life better. It was to destroy the country and the people who live in it.

2:50:32It was purely destructive. I really brooded on this because I had to write the script every night. So I was like constantly in my head thinking like, what are we watching? Don't be distracted by the bullshit. Like, what is this? And I concluded, because there was no other conclusion, that the point was destruction. That was the point. So I have always thought since I was a child that it's a binary. There are creators and destroyers. A synonym for this is good and evil. God creates, his opponents destroy. God created the earth and the heavens, his opponents destroy them. It's that simple. I mean, it's complex in many ways, but fundamentally it's that simple.

2:51:09It's creation, destruction. And I've always been for creation, always. I believe in procreation. I believe in impregnating women. It's awesome. I believe in building cabins. Awesome. I like to create. I like what my dogs have, puppies. So I saw this right away and I was like, this is not a political debate. This is a spiritual struggle, creation versus destruction. And that totally changed my life in every way. That really set off a chain reaction in me that changed me and changed my understanding of the world, changed my sense of my own purpose in the world. How long have you been thinking this?

2:51:52since Memorial Day 2020. What happened on Memorial Day in 2020? George Floyd riots. And I'd covered, you know, a lot of stuff and been a lot of places and seen chaos and stuff. And one thing that I have concluded that I just noticed as a kid, watch, you know, Katrina or in Iraq or in Pakistan where you see, like, things fall apart, is that everyone, you know, was so scared of war and violence and all that stuff, but that the scare... and oppression, you know, I was always an Orwell fan, so I was like, you know, Big Brother's the scariest thing. No, the scariest thing is chaos. Chaos is the scariest thing.

2:52:35Chaos. And then later in life, when I read the Old Testament, I was like, God brought order out of chaos. Of course. I didn't even know... I mean, I'm Episcopalian, so I didn't really know anything. but chaos. I just noticed it because I was in a couple, several times in the middle of what was chaos. No one in charge. Kids with rifles are in charge. They have no goals. They have no program. There's no ideology. My whole life, I've been understanding history through the lens of ideology. There are these revolutionary peasants in Peru and they're Sendero Luminoso and they're revolutionary peasants in Vietnam and they're the Viet Cong.

2:53:10Everything was about the idea And what I didn't realize until I saw it in person was, no, it's not that. It's atavistic. It's much deeper than that. It's more primitive. It's more fundamental than that. It's the struggle in the universe. It's between order and chaos. And I'm on the side of order. Not on the side of repression. Order is now a synonym for repression, which I hate because I believe in the human soul and the dignity of every person. But chaos is the worst thing. And I saw people in my country fomenting chaos for its own sake. I don't know if they're intentionally evil. Probably not.

2:53:48Most of us aren't. But they were tools of spiritual forces doing that. And I instantly recognized this was totally different from everything I'd been covering and thinking about, writing about, talking about on TV for 30 years. This was a new thing. And, um, and that just changed it. When that chaos broke out in Minneapolis, I'm not from Minneapolis. I have no attachment to Minneapolis. Yes, there are a lot of Swedes in Minneapolis, or were. I think they've left. But I saw this for what it was. And I was so bothered by it that I actually went to the convenience store where George Floyd tried to pass the phony$20 bill and went to the site where he was killed and went all around by myself.

2:54:27I literally landed there, went by myself, didn't do a story on it or anything. I just want to see it. And what I saw was what I expected to see a year later. It was a year after it happened. In 2021, I went, and I saw a place that had never recovered and never would recover. And that, to me, was proof of what I suspected, which was the point was destruction. The point was not rebirth. They always tell you it's rebirth. We need to tear it down in order to rebuild it. They never rebuild it because they don't want to, because that's not the point. And people who want to build, just go ahead and build.

2:54:57And people who want to destroy, go ahead and destroy. And they're in totally different camps. They're on opposing sides. It's literally that simple. Anyone who tells you we need to knock it down in order to build it again is lying to you and probably to himself. He may think that that's not his goal. His goal is to destroy because Satan's job is to destroy you and everything around you, everything good, everything beautiful, everything orderly, everything warm and loving and fraternal. Everything honest is to destroy. Destroy loyalty, destroy beauty. All the things that are virtues will be destroyed in that all-consuming fire of destruction.

2:55:31Has anybody ever sang a song on your show before? No. I brought a guitar. If I could be so bold. I'd be honored. You want to hear it? Yes. It's called The Righteous Hunter.

2:55:54Evil runs around this town undercover Looking for a soul to take But they better stay away from the righteous hunter Or hell is all they'll pay Cause I can see you around the corner And I know you're coming If you had any sense you'd run But you ain't got a clue What a daddy will do Better give your soul to Jesus While I get my gun You better give your soul to Jesus While I get my gun

2:56:40They try to steal away our sons and daughters Shrouded in the shadow of night But we fight with protection of the Heavenly Father And we ain't scared to die And I can see you around the corner And I know you're coming If you had any sense you'd run But you ain't got a clue what a daddy will do Better give your soul to Jesus while I get my gun

2:57:18Better give your soul to Jesus while I get my gun

2:57:26Recall the words that Jesus said Better off with millstones around their necks And we pray

2:57:39Not our will but thine be done Bringing in to the reign Of the wicked oneness We claim in your name And I can see you around the corner And I know you're coming If you had any sense you'd run But you ain't got a clue what a daddy will do Better give your soul to Jesus while I get my gun You better give your soul to Jesus while I get my gun

2:58:28Evil runs around this town undercover Looking for a soul to take But they better stay away from the righteous honor For hell is all they'll pay

2:58:52that's it that is amazing do you know what i think what do you think we got one more thing and then we're getting into it oh geez what do you got man i got a buddy at sig his name's jason i gotta report this gift man that is so that is a california compliant oh six hour this p365 macro come on man i don't know exactly what by the way this is uh this is too cool the fact that you would give me this. You like that? So you just want me, TSA, to take this from me and not ask for the rest of the airport. I'm on to you, man. Well, I got a buddy at SIG, and he was like, you've got to get a SIG in his hand.

2:59:31You can't even make this up. Jason. Brother, this is fabulous.