Dua Lipa’s Style, 3D-Printed Shoes & Saudi Fashion Week | SheerLuxe ME Podcast

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0:33On today's podcast, we dive into the 3D printed shoes that are making waves.

0:38Hanya Alkhamis:How can I get it? I need it. I need my hands on this. We talk all things styling with tons of tips. Take it. You have to. If you really want to. It's a need. Life is short. Our obsession with Dua Lipa. I mean, she looks like she's always on holiday, but these photos are specific. She is such an icon. I love her style. I love the way that she looks. I love that she's like always happy in her content. And we answer all your dilemmas.

1:11Hello and welcome to the Sheer Luxe Middle East podcast. I'm your host Tamara Javi and today I am joined by Hibba Baker and Hanyal Khamis who is our contributing editor at Sheer Luxe and also a fashion stylist. We are so happy to have you on the pod. Lovely to be here. welcome thank you so excited guys and obviously you guys are the fashion girls so this is going to be a very fashion heavy episode i am genuinely so excited to get all your recommendations and everything we want to talk about all things fashion um let's start off with our outfits obviously me and you have the memo can we talk through your outfits him but tell us what you're

1:46Hanya Alkhamis:wearing today okay i am wearing all reds my body suit is from norma canali ah love her pants are from Bottega and my heels are from Shoots. Hania what are you wearing? So I'm wearing this top from Vivian Westwood and then these jeans are Levi's. I love this cut if I'm wearing like a kitten heel. So I'm also wearing a kitten heel from H &M. I love this. I've been wearing it all summer so it's my favorite shoe at the moment. My rings are Latale and Oubar. My necklace is Ella Jules. I love it. I love it. They're on Netporter. And my earrings are Asher. Gorgeous. I really love that necklace. It's so beautiful.

2:29And what are you wearing? So I'm wearing a shirt by Uniqlo. This necklace is by an Indian designer called Valiant. They sell at the Edit. I love, love, love the jewelry brand. My denim is a Goldie. My heels are Studio Amelia, also on Novel Shoes. And yeah, that's pretty much it.

2:51So we're going to dive right in our first topic, new and noteworthy. Hey, but anything new and noteworthy?

2:55Hanya Alkhamis:Yeah, so I don't know if you guys saw, have Ayana's had the collaboration? Oh my God, yes. Which I have to have my hands on. You know, this is annoying because I can't purchase it online. How can I get it? I need it. I need my hands on this. They're so cool. You know what's cool about them is that they're obviously the thong, like the blob. But then your toes are covered. Yeah. So you can wear them pretty much like anytime. Even when you feel like you don't want to expose your toes every single time. And you know it's 3D printed, right? Yes, they're 3D printed. It's so cool. And the good thing is it can be recycled.

3:29Hanya Alkhamis:So instead of if you have any alterations to the shoes or whatever, they just recycle it. So they don't have bulk stock of what didn't sell. That's great because another designer, Stella McCartney, is collaborating with Belena to create recycled shoes, I believe. I was searching for them online and I can't find them. And they're nowhere to be found. So why? Yeah, so they just debuted during Copenhagen Fashion Week as like an initial launch. And they were also a part of a fashion show. So I think it's called, a brand called Opera Sports. They were wearing the shoes during the Fashion Week, which I thought was super cool.

4:08Hanya Alkhamis:Because when you were seeing them, wear it with like leather jackets and stuff. So cool. You want your hands on them. Yeah, yeah, they look really cool. I mean, it's like an ode also to Bottega when they had those like big like shoes that were like very statement vibe. The red. Exactly. Red boots. I feel like it's nice to experiment with that. But I feel like this is more accessible. But they also reference Maison Margiela tabby. Yeah. Which I'm also seeing everywhere now. I'm seeing a tabby everywhere again. Yeah. Like even if like even if you're going into fashion recently, if you don't have them, like you're weird.

4:41You're either in the tabby boat or you're not. So what do you guys think about nabbies? I genuinely don't like that. You don't like that? On me. Like, I think I love this aesthetic of a girl. She's wearing this. But I put them in my cart, by the way. Trust me. It's in my cart. But if I buy, I'm not sure. Like, I feel, I don't know.

5:01Hanya Alkhamis:Yeah, it's something that you kind of have to get accustomed to. Exactly. I, when I first sell them, I'm like, these are horrendous. I'm never going to wear them. But I think the more you see them and the more you see people style it, you're kind of getting more and more on board and I actually bought a dupe just to try it on so there's a Spanish I think it's a Spanish brand called Ulanka and they have it in every color oh do you know I saw this girl wearing them she had them in like a pale pink um also pastel yellow which is kind of okay not as masculine as a tabi so I thought maybe I'll try it on so I bought one in a red and every time I put them on I want to wear them but I'm not used to it but I I do genuinely like i like them more now yeah i'm not i'm still not into them i find it tough to i again i didn't give it a try like i've never actually put them on my feet never i've only seen them and i'm not attracted to it but again like you said like anything i feel like if you see it enough you're like okay also it's an aesthetic yes i feel if you have the minimal like full black whites that's your palette and it's your aesthetic to be a bit more let's say androgynous in your styling.

6:10Hanya Alkhamis:I feel like it suits that aesthetic. I also think it's like a very specific... Kind of group. Yeah, it's true. It has to match with your aesthetic, I feel. Also really exciting, at the V &A, they're going to exhibit the Manolo Blahnik exhibition. So it's going to start from the 18th of September until May. And they're focusing on Maria Antoinette, which is really cool because she has this long history of the brand. It's going to be so cool. I find that the V &A are so good at bringing in fashion exhibitions. They did the Dior one. They've done Talensiaga. They've done so many different ones. And they're so cool and nice to see.

6:42And I feel like the region would do so well with these sort of exhibitions. I mean, they've done it in Qatar. They did it in Saudi as well for Christian Dior, Designer of Dreams. But I feel like the region could really use more of these exhibitions. And I feel like there's a need for it here. I think, yeah, it's very important to highlight these designers. Because to be honest, the region also really cares about these kinds of concepts. And they only go when you're traveling. So why not have it here? 100%. Yeah. Yeah.

7:10Hanya Alkhamis:And I think we're really, they're expanding, especially in Abu Dhabi. We have so many museums that are opening up. We have the Louvre. Guggenheim's also opening. And then we have Zayed National Museum that's opening, which is beautiful. Like the architecture is insane. But I do think we are lacking in that fashion. Yeah. Fields that I think. Sharjah's doing a really good job of being really in the art space. And I think Qatar, in terms of the region, is really leading it in terms of art. Also Saudi. Yeah, I think Saudi is also very invested in that sector. I find that Saudi is really investing in everything, every aspect.

7:45And even their fashion week. When last year, we're going again this year. It is, honestly, the way that they do it, they do it well. And it's very well developed. Everything is like detail-oriented. Yes. This is important, especially when you're starting off. Like there's all these other fashion weeks and you're like... Trying to cover it up. You're there. you did it yeah no i honestly think that the talent in saudi as well is amazing i mean abadia we like yeah it needs no introduction this the quality and the story behind her looks like she'll have like a you know buttons on her shirt and the buttons represent like dates from her grandfather's you know palm trees like it's just there's so many beautiful aspects about shahad's brand abadia love it yeah i love everything she does and i think it's very refreshing to see that oh this is a Saudi brand from a Saudi woman yeah

8:42I love this part of the segment because obviously you guys are fashion stylists

8:46Hanya Alkhamis:so what are your latest fashion finds we were just together doing a five finds and I saw obviously the Bogasa collection for fall I'm in love with her tailoring honestly she can do no wrong I agree Love her pieces. Just the the fits of her suits and her her tailoring and just even everything. I went on her website. I was looking at her suits. And then I also came across this maxi skirt that she styled with this jumper, which honestly, like she she's really killing it. She is honestly another brand. We're talking about Abadia, regional brands that like you can pick a piece and it will work all year round.

9:28It is something that is like a staple in your wardrobe. It doesn't matter the trend or the season. It actually will work throughout and you can style it in so many ways. That plum burgundy suit set that you try on. I mean, Hania, this set. I think about it a lot. I'm like, I really want this. Take it. Show Anna. I'm mad to be with fashion stylists because I will end up shopping. You have to if you really want to. It's a need. Life is short. If I live my life as perheba, I would literally just like my husband would like walk out of the house. I'm just having the clothes. Around half an hour and come back.

10:05It doesn't matter. Get it. If you want to. Please say look good to Wendy. I'm the eye candy. I'm doing this for you. I'm doing this for you.

10:16Hanya Alkhamis:But I agree that suit is to die for. Yeah, it's the color. And I love like the two-tone sense that she does. She came out with a new one. Yeah, every season she does it. And like, I just want, I'm like, this color is the best. No, this color is the best. Yeah, you're kind of just like, you don't know which one to choose. I agree. I think I'll add to that. I think I have three actually in my mind at the moment. So first off is the abadia off-shoulder black top. And it is lovely. Wow. Beautiful. and you can style it up and down. And I think it's a staple piece in your wardrobe. And there's this polka dot blazer from 1309.

10:54In her new collection, she launched it. And it's beautiful because it's linen, so you can wear it now as well as like in this coming season of fall. And there's this striped top that she has from like an off-shoulder. Wow. Also from 1309. Also from 1309. 1309 is another brand. Exactly. Killing it in the scene. I love it.

11:14Hanya Alkhamis:I've never heard of that. You need to get on it. You need to get on it. Asa. Hey, where's that from? It's from Qatar. From Qatar. And the designer need I tell you. Asa. She is a wonder. Yes. You know, mashallah, how poised she is, how well put together. Man, I've never been so attracted to Abaya in my life. I agree with that 1 ,000%. Her Abayas are stunning. We actually did an event in Qatar last year. and the sheer luxe uk team came we hosted a dinner it was beautiful in collaboration with um anam basheer desert mannequin on instagram and 1309 dressed us and i was in love with what i was wearing because it's like an abaya but it wasn't yes and there was beaded detailing and it was stunning like sheer so it's a bit like not so conservative and not a modern yes gorgeous gorgeous and another thing um i'm loving um recently karen was in dropped uh or is gonna drop one of the one of the other uh belts and like accessories the belt she wore it on last year's old fashion talks i think it was like uh like as if she was like um teasing us yeah oh this is coming whatever and i was obsessed with the belt i was like akita i i'm pretty sure this is from karen oh my god you how you knew i knew this was going so and then when she said she's launching this um soon i'm like i need to get my hands on that oh why is it with her signature s yeah yeah but yes but it reminds me of like that s we didn't yeah in like school yeah but yeah exactly exactly the the one like the one that's like this and you do oh that's so funny something i've been noticing a lot is toe rings that have been coming back but it is a trend that i've been seeing a little bit and it's i feel like it might be something big probably not for fall because i feel like we can wear it because we can i mean not that we you will wear it's clearly your face is it all but i mean in the fall now everyone's gonna be wearing clothes shoes because of the weather but i've been seeing it a lot lately toe rings so clearly that's a no for you guys like unless it's like diamonds it is diamonds so that's the toe rings i've been seeing diamond mentorings so still not okay i changed my mind uh something that i've been seeing a lot obviously in summer that we never touched on i don't know if you guys see it as well but longchamp made a comeback i started seeing it everywhere yeah i'm like when did this come back into trends and i just bought one but as usual i have a add to cart so every time i do a feature i'm like okay well i guess i have to buy this but you know my problem is is that i keep seeing it repeatedly which is obviously targeted ads and i'm like it's a sign stop it please if you're hearing this just leave me alone but i agree with the lalchon because i love their new styles yeah they're super cool i think the way that it came back correct me if i'm wrong but i think the way that it came back was with their minis minis yes even i have one and i think it's just such a cute thing to throw on yeah it's an easy bag in aaron's bag exactly they made it cuter so it's kind of like okay yeah i agree so i bought the mesh one nice oh it's like mesh but then also has a bit of crochet in it and it's in neutral so i feel like especially here because we have uh summer all season around you can always just like wear it with with denim with shorts with the sets yeah i've been really how you sell that yes i'm excited to receive it one thing i actually also want to highlight yeah do you know a brand called sonia patrov no no it's more okay so a couple of weeks ago i was shopping for my summer and so i went into netoporter and then i found um this brand called sonia petrov she has the most beautiful belts and earrings oh okay so then i was like okay okay let me think about it and i have an obsession with earrings like genuinely it's a problem so uh she has uh these earrings are really nice that are like drooping and then there's like a pearl and it's golden pearl and it's so pretty and is it where do you know where the brand is from honestly i don't know but i i think we're gonna need to check them out i am i like i like finding earring brands you shop usually in kuwait and online is it is are there any like local retailers as well okay so there are local brands or place like stores that i really i'm into i love boutique and oh yes she has authentic very cool very stylish fashion forward items uh also i like to shop like um at sometimes harvey sometimes i use i if i want to take my clients on a shopping spree i always head to avenues oh yeah what a great mall i love that also did you guys hear that kith and birkenstock are collaborating as well yeah also they're going to come out with a new line soon as well excited i feel like these this so it's the wave of collaborations now with a lot of different brands i'm into that we love collaborations yeah Yeah.

16:11Hanya Alkhamis:Birkenstock is also having their moment. Totally. Totally. I feel like they came back a few years ago and they've still managed to dominate. I feel like they're quite trendy still. Yeah. I think it's a staple if you want to like it. And now everyone's taking that route of footwear. Yeah. I do think that even Adidas came out with clogs, clog-looking slippers, shoes that look like the Birkenstocks as well. And people are obsessed with this shoe. They're super into it. I love the clothes from the Eiken Socks. You can wear them from summer to winter. Yeah, yeah, totally. And they're a staple. Something I also really love that I've been seeing on my Instagram is Giulietta, the brand for necklaces.

16:52I mean, there's accessories in general. Gorgeous. Obsessed. Gorgeous. Really beautiful. I saw it on Chriselle Lim. She did it like a gorgeous outfit with like a long necklace with tassels. And it just looks so gorgeous. They have such beautiful pieces.

17:06Hanya Alkhamis:And it's a huge trend now to have like the long necklace, the tassel. And now I've bought like 50 options. Of course, of course. How would you style like a long tasseled necklace? I love it. Like if you wear something that's super minimal and plain, like I just think adding that to like just a poplin white dress, if you're wearing like black and white just to kind of break it. I think there's like a good piece just with like minimal black sandals, like an oversized bag, very, very relaxed. Relax. I do. I can see it. Yeah. Or like even the lace trim is also a huge trend. I mean, lace trim all over.

17:43Going back to the long necklaces, if you like the Giulietta, you can find a couple of options that are like for affordable prices in Massimo. Yes. Oh, yeah. We were just talking about this. It's all good. I agree. And if you like that trend, okay, you can get that for less. But obviously, get the original if you really like it. but the one in Masimo is the same idea there's the tassel and it's black and there's like this yeah there's a circle I eyed this yesterday add to cart and add to cart in my head okay and I would style it though with with like a plain dress but make sure I would make sure there's no no buttons so because you want the the the eye to look into like the full look yeah so the buttons take away from the strength of the, or the beauty of the necklace.

18:37Good tip. So when thinking about that, like something plain, flowy, without button. Without button. Like a white dress, black, black and black, and like maybe an ancho or like a... Very nice. White or red. Yeah, it's a pretty piece, I think. Yeah. You should get. Yeah. Okay, noted. I will get. Add it to cards. Add it to cards. Add it to cards. all right guys moving on to our next topic mustn't miss so anything that you're working on or anything that you've seen that you absolutely think we should absolutely not

19:08Hanya Alkhamis:miss i mean we have a lot of features coming up now with sheer lux on how to transition from summer to winter um there's a lot of obviously if you go online now if you're going to stores there's so many beautiful transitional pieces for fall which i'm excited about i can't wait to like get my boots on have a look at my leather jacket in july she just couldn't wait she was like i can't wait for her to fall to when you're in the mood to wear something you just have to wear it and i think we were talking about this earlier like how do you decide what you what you what you want to wear it's like do you just go with your moods yeah yeah wake up in the morning and see yourself like i think it's it's all about how you wake what what you're feeling yeah and i think that to be honest i think dressing up or fashion in general is very very very personal and I think even if you find all these references online to see what you want to wear please make it your personality please show your personality and that dress I really genuinely can't explain how much important it is if you dress how you feel yeah it's very important and it shows it shows that you're dressing oh like I'm comfortable what I wear and yeah what you're not comfortable because you're wearing the outfit the outfit's not wearing totally and I think that's like a very important thing like you said you you wear i mean i have like so many different styles depending on my moods but i have to feel comfortable with what i'm wearing and so many times someone's like oh but that looks great on you but i don't like it i don't feel like myself wearing it and that's come to this trial and error i feel especially when you're just starting out and you're trying to build your wardrobe and trying to feel like okay these are the pieces i'm intentionally purchasing because i feel like when you're younger you're just buying pieces you're buying maybe not the best quality pieces and you're buying pieces because you think they're cool and you saw it you saw it somewhere on social or on you know a magazine but as you age and more with more experience and i think more more front-facing things that you do like more more things you attend and people that you meet etc you start to like develop that and like you said you have to be true to yourself and your personal side yeah definitely something that i'm noticing now is i get a lot of questions like how how do you know what suits you or like what to wear or i want to experiment what can I do to kind of change and I think it's like I always ask the question like how do you want to feel like because for me it's like fashion is art the same way you have art in your house the same way you decorate a table you are a walking piece of art in my eyes of like how do you want to represent yourself your identity who you are and fashion is your way to to represent yourself it's the way you you know when you enter a room when you meet people like that is a reflection of who you are internally and how do you want to be perceived like what is your personality do you want to be like bubbly do you want to be fun do you want to be edgy like what is your mood and a lot of people don't ask themselves that question and a lot of people get scared to experiment of like oh I don't do oversized like pants like balloon pants for example like it doesn't suit me and that suits me yeah but try it okay so you're pear-shaped you want to try something so try it but then balance the proportion like there's always a way to work around and what I love with what I love with fashion nowadays is before with styling and image consultancy they teach you how to dress for your body shape and like there are these strict guidelines of what to wear and what not to wear for certain body types but what I like about fashion now is like scratch that throw out the window follow certain guidelines just for your own proportion but you can wear anything and kind of adjust it to kind of suit you.

22:43Hanya Alkhamis:I know sometimes it's like, oh, you work in fashion. It's not that important. But like, I do think even in your job, if you work in finance, like how you dress to work, how you show up in whatever your profession is, is super important because like it determines your mood, how you feel about yourself. Also how you're represented around people. Like, let's be honest, it is, it does matter how you dress. It does matter. It is. And people tell me, oh, you're just superficial. it's not honestly i how will i judge you if i don't look at you and i think also a creator on tiktok mentioned this and i couldn't agree with it more that we see on the runway brands like saint-oran and celine that wear clothing that seems quite simple like it's just like a t-shirt and denim or something really simple but the way that they accessorize makes it makes the outfit so literally you don't even need to have like so many different pieces that are really standout pieces you can literally wear a top and denim or whatever it is and just build on your accessories and that's just going to make your outfit really stand and accessories can also be really unique so like you said they can be vintage they can be you know bought off carnaby street in the uk they can be you know you know borrowed from your grandmother whatever it is i feel like accessories are also a great investment i was traveling and i carried my jewelry box with me and the security guard was like we need to check what's in your bag so I was like okay so I pulled out my jewelry box and it was like five kilos I could do not and and they're like what is this and they they thought I was English they were they were local and the woman told her security colleague she's like in Arabic yeah in Arabic they're like oh she seems to really love her jewelry because she's like she's like what is inside here I'm like Julie she's like all of it I'm like all of it and she went through like bangles and I have like so many overs to have been like I wish I could convocate this I had earrings like flower earrings and white and blue and like all of these things.

24:37Hanya Alkhamis:And she was like, what is it? Just jewelry. And she's like, OK, because that's for me, adds everything. You guys are really good with your jewelry. I think, you know, honestly, just find pieces that are a bit eclectic. Belts. I mean, belts is also a huge trend now. Lou did her belt roundup. So Lou on our Sheerlux UK team talked about all her belts. And I just wanted to purchase every single one of them. They look so, so good. For belts, if you want like a good brown one, I got one from Melinberger. I've been wearing it since the day I got it. I got it from Copenhagen. Did you? For Fashion Week.

25:13I kid you not. The best brown belt I bought. Really? Best. I actually need a brown belt. I'll hook you up. Can we purchase? Melinberger, yes, I'll send you the link. Yeah, I'll send you the link. So I'll send you the link.

25:22Hanya Alkhamis:Send us the link. Even shoes, like wear an animal print shoe. Oh, yeah. You know, I know it's a bit risky for people, but for me, animal print is a neutral. Exactly. I think it's important. Even if you're wearing jeans and t-shirt. Yeah, that would make you stylish. It'd make you stand out. It's just, yeah, going. I know a lot of people are like, oh, but I don't know if I would wear it. How would I wear it? And when you show them how easy it is to style it, just like an animal print shoe with so many different looks, they're like, okay, you know. And then also I wanted to mention something that we mustn't miss.

25:52We are launching our sheer lux wedding edition really soon. So that's really exciting for brides, brides to bees. And even if you just want to like relive your wedding day, I'm really excited about that. I feel like bridal content is just very important. It's so beautiful to also just look at. And even as a wedding guest as well, like getting inspired by that. So that's something that's coming out soon. Did I talk too much? Why can't I just let it go?

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28:51I mean, maybe it could be me. I don't know. But the other one just looks so cool.

28:54Hanya Alkhamis:I mean, one year from now, it might be. I know. Exactly. We don't know. I need to go to try more. Guys, have you seen Dua Lipa's holiday photos on Instagram? I mean, she looks like she's always on holiday. But these photos in specific, she is such an icon. I love her style. I love the way that she looks. I love that she's like always happy in her content. And she was wearing a necklace by Charlotte Heinrich, which is this like gold chain with diamond bezel and it is the most stunning piece i've been wanting this piece actually since she did a trunk show in dubai so charlotte is a australian hungarian designer and she has a beautiful line of jewelry the brand is called heinrich freeman jewelry beautiful pieces and you can customize it as well and so dulipa bought a necklace from her and they showcased it in dubai when she did a trunk show and i've been eyeing it ever since i mean even if you wear accessories like jewelry with a bikini.

29:46I just feel like it looks so, so cool. Yeah.

29:50Hanya Alkhamis:Her style is honestly amazing. And who is her stylist? I don't know. We need to get her stylist because like, wow. I mean, also her body is insane. That's helpful. So like, it really matches. Isn't she beautiful? So she's, yeah, she didn't get a ship package. She has a whole bunch. But have you seen the custom dress that Jacquemus fits for her birthday? Wow. And he was at her birthday too. Simon. Yeah. They're really close friends. stunning like absolutely gorgeous can do no wrong like her and ibiza she is stunning she also has her most recent cover on harper's yes wow yeah i mean she i love her like i think someone if i if i say like oh who's a celebrity that you really love dua lipa is that one for me so my friend asked me because i i really don't like pop music yeah anything i'm not very much into the whole world of pop but i only follow her but i follow her mainly because of her style her fashion yeah her fashion i do think she's i even her her stage like her her outfit the stage her outfits even her choreography yes like it's not even about the music it's the choreo it's the outfits it's her energy it's her energy and i do feel like the way she carries herself on stage off stage it's all like it goes together it's not an act i feel like i don't know maybe sabrina carpenter is a bit too much of like a stage yeah yes same thing with i mean i'm not a huge fan of taylor swift i know No, you're going to upset some Swift out of you.

31:15It's fine. But I'm the same. Do you also not like Taylor Swift? Yeah, I'm not that. But yeah, I'm not into Taylor Swift. I also just feel like she doesn't take any political stances that matter to me.