Louis Theroux's The Manosphere, Changing Careers In Your 30s & Nostalgic TV | SheerLuxe Podcast

0:00On this week's podcast, we talk about all of the best looks from the Oscars and Vanity Fair party. Kendall Jenner in the baby blue Chanel. See, someone else says she's like a bridesmaid. It's so contradictory. What happened to Timothee Chalamet's Oscar? He just said something that he should have only said in his group chat. If someone put that in the group chat, I'd be like, you're a dick. Also, Louis Theroux's new documentary, The Manosphere. Lots of thoughts on that. Where the fuck are the male allies for women? Where are the vocal men who are calling male behavior out, who are stepping up, who are doing things for quality?

0:34And lastly, we talk about your dilemmas. How do you set boundaries in your 30s? And also, how do you stop overpacking? If you're packing for a holiday and you want options, what's on that? Make sure you stay tuned. It is a great episode and do not forget to subscribe.

0:59Welcome to Shear Lucks Podcast. I'm your host, Nana Champong, and today I'm joined by author and co-host of the Receipts Podcast, Tolly, and our newest contributor, Josh Smith. Yay! We made it official, honey! Wait, is this official? Is this the Relationship State or something? It's the Relationship State Update. Okay, what's the update? Get the Facebook file up, babe. Tell us all, what is it? We're going to delve into it. We're going to delve into it. I'm so excited. But first, in this episode, we are going to be diving into cultural moments and sharing what we can't stop thinking about, what's hot right now, and finishing off with some dilemmas.

1:32But before we get into it, guys, please, please, please, if you have not subscribed, why? I want to know. I'm going to track you down. What you need to do... Aggressive. What you need to do is hit the subscribe button. Honestly, it really helps us out. Anyway, guys, welcome. Hello, hello, hello. Such a fun panel today. Before we get into it, Firstly, Josh, you are our newest contributor. Yeah, can you believe? I know. What does this mean? I think that Hodge made it happen just so she can hang out with me more. It's because she's just desperate to be a solid tier one friend. I think that's why she made it happen.

2:09Levels to this. So I'm going to be kind of like a contributing broadcaster role. So I'll be popping in. I'll be chatting. I'll be on here a little bit more often. I know. We'll be like desk mates. We'll be desk mates. Also, it was so funny when I came in today. I was like, Saskia, what do I do? Do I have to sit at a desk? It's been so long since I had a proper job. Because obviously I used to work in magazines for like 10 years. And obviously I was like such an office girly. So what I'm excited about is to really get under the sheer lux girl gossip. Do you know what I mean? Like I want to be. You're going to be in it.

2:43Is to the wall. I want to know everything that goes on basically. I also want to talk about our new set. We are not in the traditional podcast set. We're trying something new. How are we feeling about this guys? I feel comfy. I feel, so this is my second time here. I'm back and I'm black. Oh wait, I am black and blonde. I'm back. But I wanted to say I'm back and I'm blonde.

3:07You are also black and blonde. But I am black and blonde too. And this is like, this is different. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm getting used to it. It's comfortable. I'd like to be closer to Josh. Also this is the first time we've, we've been friends for like years. We've never actually done anything together in the work capacity. Can you believe it? Yeah, we're going to see how it goes. It's injustice. This is our CV. It's our audition. So you'll be good. Okay, be good. I want to start off with what we are wearing. Describe outfits for our listeners. You wanna go first? I wanna go first, babe. No, totally.

3:36So I'm actually wearing a Primark suit. Oh! And I am not even kidding you. The fit and the quality of the suit is sensational. I've worn it a couple of times recently and everyone keeps going like, oh my God, where's that suit from? I'm like, it's Primark. It's Primark, I know. And I just love that for me. And I've got a little Ross and Bromley boot arm. Oh, I love that. Tolly. This is just a little ASOS jacket, top, zip thing. It's got an exaggerated shoulder. I can't say that word. Exaggerated. Shoulder. No. Shoulder. Yeah. Shoulder. Genuinely, it's a list of words that I can't say. I can't say variety.

4:09I can't say California. California. Yeah. Babe, I've got speech impediments. I can't say THL sounds. Is it free or is it free? No one knows. No one knows. It's got shoulder pads. Yeah. And it's stingy to the waist and just jeans for my sauce. And my little loaf is from Bershka. Love that. We look business up top today, don't we, babe? You've got very first day at work outfit on. Yeah, I've got my first day at work outfit on. I know. I love that you're both color coordinated though. Yeah. We're in sync. Yeah. In sync. I have got on this funnel neck jacket. It's from Frankie Sharp with the matching pencil skirt.

4:47Also from Frankie Sharp. and then my leopard print boots are really old ASOS. You look sensational. Thank you so much. You've got my two favorite things, red and leopard print. Yeah, it's a good combo.

5:06So first up, things that we love. What are we loving this week, guys? What are we loving? Josh. I just went to see the funniest play I've ever seen in my whole life. Yeah. I'm kind of becoming a bit of a theatre girly. I'm loving it and I went to go see Oh Mary and if you don't know what it's about it's don't know what it's a reimagining of Mary Todd Lincoln now bear with me so it is a complete exaggeration of her life yeah and she is the most ostentatious most ridiculous character they've kind of positioned her as an alcoholic and then Abraham Lincoln is a little bit rooty shall we say don't want to give away what happened yeah but when i say it's the funniest thing i've ever seen i was heaving like dry heaving there was a scene that happened and i was laughing for a solid 10 minutes after everyone else stopped and you had to like hold it in no babe i was like i said like a pig that someone was like massacring do you what i mean and um it's led by mason alexander park he's been in loads of things on the west end and they are the most incredible performer yeah on the planet i'm like they do comedy they do drama they do singing all in one role it's only an hour and 20 minutes which is my favorite kind of theater yeah we're in without no interval had the prosecco to kept me going it was so so so so so so so good and also mason is a real trailblazer as well because they're one of the first ever trans people to lead a western production yeah um and they're actually on the podcast my podcast this week and we're talking all about that and it was honestly the funniest thing i've ever seen have you seen titanic yeah have you seen titanic no i haven't but i've seen i've seen the clips of it guys yeah that is funny but this is like next level funny okay and they are in it until the end of april so make sure you go and see and then katherine tate's taking over oh my gosh which is interesting but funny gotta go because they're the best performer on the planet right now added to the list tolly what am I loving okay I'm loving a tv show called the middle and everyone's like what are you talking about it's not Malcolm in the Middle it's just been put on Netflix it is about 20 years old but hear me out it's like we're late to the party but we're here for it it's not new it's not new in any way shape or form but I do recommend it because sometimes you just want telly in the background that just makes you laugh and it's not serious and I think a lot of telly now it's like It's getting good and then someone dies.

7:36It's getting good and someone gets diagnosed of a disease and it's like, none of that is happening here. It is just like really light hearted. It's really light hearted. It's 29 minutes long per episode to be exact. That's very specific. That's how long I'm watching it for. It is like nine seasons, 23 episodes per season. And I don't listen to music when I work. I watch telly when I work. So it's something, I know it's really weird. I can't listen to music. I kind of get carried away with it too much. What you're like, she has just like, woo! Yeah, I just get carried away. But with telly, I just like something in the background.

8:06And it's one of those shows that's like, it starts at Christmas, then Valentine's Day, then Mother's Day. You've got all of those. It covers all those things. Halloween. No, quite literally, every single festive season is covered on the show. And I'm having a great time. What season are you on now? I think I'm on season six, episode 21. Oh, wow, you've put in a shift. Babe, it's all I've watched every single day for the last two weeks. I've watched nothing else. and like the latest episode I watched and the iPad is just coming to existence in the world. No, you're joking. Yeah, in the episode they're talking about this new thing called the iPad.

8:41I was like, oh my God, the iPad? Who knew what that is? Everyone should watch it because it is everyone's like reactions to like back in the day. It's fun. Oh my gosh, I know. Well, speaking of like back in the day, I'm really enjoying on Instagram at the moment. Yeah. The mum and dad, what were you like in the 90s? Oh yeah, that's cute. Oh yeah. I cannot get enough and it's now my entire algorithm. Oh my God, the Ben Shepard one, I was like - Oh, I didn't see that one. He was a great one. Halle Berry. I love how we talked about the Ben Shepard one, but Nicole Kidman's done it. Like Reece McPherson was like, Ben Shepard.

9:13Yeah, I'm that Halle Berry Oscar winner. I feel like Ben Shepard from this morning. That was so fair, because he was good. Babe, I think he's such a dill now. He's like my number one straight man crush. Oh, really? I think he was also like a big gay awakening for me. So I remember him like doing a segment on GMTV, topless when I was probably about the age of like 12 and I was like oh there's a little rumble in the jungle here do you mind me my awakening was Usher on top of the pops he was like performing you make me one and I remember he did a dance where he like left his shoe and it went back into his shoes and he was also topless and I was like wait a minute I want to be that shoe wait a minute what is this feeling what is happening I have to say when I went to go see usher last year i was like clutching my pals i was like you straight people are freaky like literally i was like this close to me i got vip tickets i was in the booth thing in the cherry beer yeah would you have taken the cherry of course you guys are so desperate i would have taken you would not take a cherry no no and that would that's what makes me special yeah Because I'd be like, oh, no, thank you.

10:24And then later on, the dressing room would be like, who is that girl? We should meet her. No, no. But like, he would, no. I would 100 % take the cherry. But yeah, Usher also. Yeah. What was your sexual awakening? I would say, I'd say Usher. Usher as well. Seriously, we're on the topic? Yeah, on the topic. Usher or maybe Tyrese. Oh, old school. Very, very, very hot. Things that I've been loving. I've just got back from Australia. Nice, we saw you. We're loving things down under, shall we say. What a great segue from what we were just saying. You said it honey. Melbourne has also just been voted the best city in the world for 2026.

11:03Oh, has it? Wait, what, we just started? Well, really not. They're killing it already. But I will say, I absolutely love that city. It's just magic. I am desperate to go. I really want to go for the Australian Open because it always looks so chic and fun. Do you know what I mean? That's what I want to do. I went to the F1, that was incredible. Oh my God. That's fancy. Yeah, Saul Lewis Hamilton. There are so many fit men who do F1, you know. George Russell. Charles Leclerc. Oh God. Who is this man? Oh my God. He's like the sheet French one. He's just got married. You might have seen the picture of him with the sausage dog.

11:36Yes, I've seen that. Okay, that's his name. I don't know names. Don't know him for his work. I just objectified him. Don't know him for his work. We know him for his wedding photo. Yeah, yeah. That's it. Yeah, so F1 was great. It's a real foodie city. like if you love to eat honestly go to me you can not have a bad meal so i definitely what's the food like in australia like what is it it's a really good brunch like you know like daisy green yeah the tater tots and everything yeah it's like tater tots like whipped eggs avocado like you will not have a better avocado on toast than you will in melbourne or probably like the whole so it's worth buying 24 hours to get the best avo love it i would say so yeah how was the jet lag um i have been up since 2 30 a.m this morning god she looks so fresh it's a lot of makeup um so yeah the jet lag is definitely jet lagging but it's totally worth it but she's not lagging

12:33we are going to move on to fashion and beauty what have you guys spotted this week that so my friend oh my god i'd love a show in towels You do love a show and tell. Here we go. He is a beauty buyer at Harrods. And he came over to our new house the other day. And was like, I've got a present for you. Yeah. And it was this fragrance called L.A. Bruquettes. I think that's how you say it. 3-3-3. And it is like walking through a forest. I need to spray it. Spraying this. We all need to spray it. Guys. Okay. How should I do it? Should I spray it up? Tony was like, it's done now. Oh, that is nice. It's stunning.

13:11It's a bit musky. it's like for the body it's very manly it's very manly I'm not used to it that's not not used to man smells not used to man smells um well as someone who is used to man smells this one comes heavily recommended for me I love it and also I think the bottle is very sheet yeah um so yeah this is my latest find that I'm obsessed with what have you found this week so I've also got perfume I don't have it on me but it's the seven virtues perfume I'd be like a sweet smell okay really oh so this that's the opposite yeah yeah yeah yeah i'm like a really sweet it smells like summer it's called strawberry jam and it's like imagine it's strawberry pistachios vanilla it's just a really really lovely smell yeah but also fashion finds you you must know kwameo do see i do when you put this on i yeah he's got love he's just announced his new ss20 26 and it is beautiful there is a dress there and it's got like gold buttons and it's like Funnel neck is beautiful.

14:10So much so, my friend is currently in LA. I made her go to the store and try on every item of clothing that I wanted. And apparently, yeah, we were FaceTimed the whole time. Apparently FaceTime shopping is just as fun as real live shopping. Yeah, yeah, that was a really good friend. Yeah, and she's like got the bits for me and I cannot wait for her to get back home so I can like, but the dress is, it has got voosh in down the side of it. Oh, babe. It's one of those dresses that you just have forever and ever and keep bringing it out. And that's what I'm trying to be now, like a little statement, girl.

14:38Yeah, and also like timeless pieces. Exactly. That are really versatile. You can wear again and again and pop out. But yeah, he's an amazing Ghanaian American designer. Love his stuff. For me, I have discovered a new handbag brand. Martha the brand. They are a small kind of bag brand, but they've got really great colors. Obviously for me, being a color girly. So they are my number one find this week. And also I got it last week, or it got delivered, I had to get it on pre-order. I have just bought my newest spring summer designer handbag. Which one? Which is always a big deal. Like I always say, buying a designer handbag will never not be a big deal for me.

15:20Oh, always, yeah. I haven't even worn it yet because I haven't done the unboxing video because there will also be an unboxing video. But I need something. So you've got to introduce it to the world. Exactly. Okay, so I've got an opinion about unboxing videos. Yeah. So I don't believe in them. I don't think you should do them. Because I think you should just look like someone who it's not a big deal. of course I have a No, you're so rich in a vanilla It's just a bag It's just a bag You'll see it when I carry it So you're not going to tell her what she looks like because you haven't done the unboxing yet No, I can tell you because by the time this goes out I will have done the unboxing Oh, okay, God, wow Exclusive It is the new Loewe Amazonia It is electric blue It's about this size square will fit my laptop in Oh God, she's big.

16:08Yeah, yeah. Some other pieces. As soon as I saw it on the catwalk, it literally was like love at first sight. So, Loise, you're going to see it. Like, it's going to be attached to my life. I can't wait to meet her. Yeah, same.

16:24Before we move on to our favourite celebrity moments of the week, have you subscribed? Like, I don't mean to sound threatening, as Josh said earlier, but I just really, really would love and appreciate it. If you could please hit the subscribe button, it really does help us out. Thank you. Now, celebrity moment. It has been... Celebrity week. It's been a week. We've obviously just come for the hair off at the back of the Oscars. You might have seen that we were all up all night. You were doing the Oscars, which was great, talking about best dressed. But yeah, you, Josh, want to talk about... Yeah, so firstly, I've got an opinion.

17:04like what the fuck happens to people having fun? Yeah. Say more. Yeah, because like I found that whole Oscars red carpet so dry. Like, and I mean, as much as we can be like, oh, that was a nice dress. Like you're not gonna be talking about those dresses in 10 years time. No one's gonna be talking about them. I have to say, I said this on the night when we were kind of obviously reviewing everything. Like people look lovely, but it was one of the most boring red carpets that I'd seen and have really, but I will say everyone killed it at Vanity Fair. They did. I wish I'd stayed up for that. If you're going to turn up for the after party, turn up for the actual event too.

17:41Like don't save it for the after party when you're bumping and grinding, give it to us up front. That's what I kind of felt about the Oscars this year. It just felt a bit dry, but we do need to talk about Timothee Chalamet and the falling down to earth of our sweet angel. I've got a lot of opinions about this. Obviously, if you don't know, or you've been living under a rock, timothy chalamet really shaded the theater and the ballet and the ballet and the opera community and was like it's like a dying art and i'm glad to be in an art that's formed that's thriving which also you're like lol have you been to cina world recently babe it's dead sorry hon literally closing down the cinema but sure yeah sure meanwhile people are dressing up to the nines go to the opera in the theater in the ballet but you know it's dying yeah and i just I've got a couple opinions about this one is have we just built him up too much and that has the pile on been too much because we've just expect too much of him or has he just become a bit of a spoiled brat and it's just saying opinions that for the sake of it and he's not really that in touch with the real world anymore I just feel like very let down by him yeah but then also not shocked at the same time yeah I'd say I'm not shocked I think it's one of those moments where he probably he hasn't spoken a lot previously.

19:01And I think that was part of his allure, that he was this moody actor that did these really great roles. And now he's with the Kardashian. He's found his voice. How old is he? He's only 30. I thought he was younger. So my train of thought was going to be, he's going to watch this back in years to come and be like, oh, I just got a bit overexcited. He's 30. That is actually... But no, 30 is like... That's a grown age. I think he just said something that he should have only said in his group chat. Yeah. Yes. It should have never left the group chat. It should have just been like a little cocky thing he said in the group chat.

19:37Like, lucky me, boy. I get to earn all this money. Also, that'd be such... Like, if someone put that in the group chat, I'd be like, you're a dick. Yeah, you need to pipe down. You have to see what group chat it is. It's a group chat with everyone else that's clearly quite rich and new world. Like, he was having that conversation. He doesn't have a job. He was having that conversation. You don't do it with your mate who's not getting the way they handbag. Yeah, exactly. He was having that conversation with Matthew McConaughey. who actually laughed as well. He hasn't been shaded for it at all. And this is the thing, I feel like people get to this point where they're like, right, we're now going to take that person down.

20:08Oh yeah, definitely. And we're going to take that person down because now they're going out with Kylie Jenner and we don't like that about them because they betrayed what we thought they were all about. And I do kind of understand this whole idea about Timothee Chalamet. I remember watching him on the Graham Norton show when he was first coming out. He was like, I'm just so happy to be here. And everywhere he was, he was like, I'm just so happy to be here. And now he's probably just got a little bit too big for his boobs. I feel like he's lost that, the humbleness. Maybe he's not as grounded as he was back then.

20:32Why is he the person who matters what he says? So bloody what if he said that? Yeah. He's one man, like so. And it also comes back to there's so much more other stuff we should be talking about, right? Literally. And that has taken up, I mean, we've just done it, but it just takes up so much airtime when you should be actually talking about the people you should be celebrating, like Michael B. Jordan winning. Exactly. Which is like game changing. Being the sixth black actor ever to only win it in the whole Oscars history. And his speech was amazing when he was like, I stand on the shoulders of people who came before.

21:01I know, and he said everyone's names. I know. Which is crazy because how long has the Oscars been going for? Okay. That's insane. Yeah. Okay. Okay. For a little while. Whatever. So like you say, that is what we should be talking about. I think every famous person should have their day. And once you've had your day and people try to drag you on, then you can come in with your life happily. I think if you never have it and you're always upheld so there's one day the fall is going to be mighty. Yeah. So I think if you have it quite early on and people expect less from me, in coming of your career just doing whatever you want rather than being like I don't want to make a mistake.

21:30Yeah. Like I'm almost scared about Michael B. George and I don't want anything. I don't want him to do anything wrong ever. In fact, I want him to hide away in a box and never talk to anyone. You're like, don't freak. Because if he says one thing wrong it's going to be like, whoa. But that's interesting. Do you think it's actually going to affect Timothy's career? Because I actually think it could. Do you think? Like, you know, Steven Spielberg came out and basically slated him for making those comments. No way. And like, if you've got directors who are making decisions about big roles, casting.

21:59You're really cutting your nose off to spite your face. I don't mean to call Stephen a clout chaser, but that's quite clout chaser-y. Stephen. Let me know. Stephen, come. If you're watching. Because where were you to talk about these, like the theatre and the ballet, before he said this? You guys wasn't encouraging it before. You wasn't like, everyone go to the theatre, go to the ballet. But now, Timothy says something, oh, now you've got a point, Stephen. Yeah. And I wonder if Misty Copeland was invited before or after. I agree. I'm so intrigued by that. I know, yeah. Because they really amped that up afterwards.

22:28Yeah, they did. And I was like, hmm, because Misty is like the most incredible person. Well, I feel like it might've been planned, who knows, but she essentially came out of retirement to do that performance. Yeah. So. But it was a real great like, fuck you. I wonder how he felt in the room. He was like, I'm like, I'm gonna walk down. Literally sat in the second row. And she's like, yeah. But yeah, that was also a great opening performance. Do you know what's so funny about the outfits of the Oscars though? Cause I follow so many like fashion people and really stylish people and everyone's opinions were so contradictory.

23:01I see one be like, this outfit's disgusting. And the next girl is like, wow, she looks beautiful. I was just like, wow, like fashion is really - You just can't win, can you? It's literally, it's so subjective. And I think that's like, not the hardest thing, but when I would be styling people for red carpet, you can never take an opinion to heart because everyone is going to have something different to say. but I do think on the most part, everyone looked nice at the Oscars. But like I said, the Vanity Fair is where I literally, I woke up. Jessica Alba. Oh, I haven't seen this. I was not expecting that.

23:36I know, literally one of my best dress, Jessica Alba. It's a really sleek column, black kind of sweetheart neckline bustier dress. With the feathers at the bottom. Yes, I have seen that. Yes, she looked beautiful. Yes. I think it was really unexpected from her. That's why I've said her first. Kendall Jenner in the baby blue. Someone else says she's like a bridesmaid. So it's so contradictory. Which one is it? Sarah Pidgeon. In that Calvin Klein number. I was like, that's genius. And Tiana Taylor, guys. Tiana Taylor looked better at Vanity Fair. I prefer that to her. I don't agree with that. I thought she looked better at the Oscars.

24:16Do you? She didn't look wrong. I can't go wrong. I'm not going to turn either one of those down, guys. I might really.

24:25We are going to move on to Hot Topic. Let's go. We've all been watching the same thing this week, other than The Middle. Yeah, not that. Yeah, apart from The Middle. I did take a break from The Middle to watch this. I did. Josh, what have we all been watching? Louis Farouk's documentary about the Manosphere has hit Netflix, and it is a very confronting exploration of the manosphere and the people behind it and the people who have been sucked into it as well. I have so many thoughts about this. The main one I always think about when I hear about the manosphere is where the fuck are the male allies for women?

25:02Because where are the vocal men who are calling male behavior out, who are stepping up, who are doing things for equality? Because it feels like it's almost like silence. It's like on International Women's Day, which was just before this came out, I saw no other men posting about International Women's Day. I never see any men posting about women's rights and these really key issues that we need to start facing. Like when you've got 50 % of Gen Z boys and men thinking that feminism has gone too far, like we've got to stop thinking that this is a small issue. And I think this is something that's very reductive about this discussion.