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12:41Tunde Ogunsina:I guess just he allows men to wear clothes no matter what gender they are for them to feel comfortable wearing it.

12:49Frankie Foster:Sorry to butt in, but this, I thought this was cool. It was Skepta talking about how men should be braver. And I thought it was really cool to have like a grime artist. He started as a grime artist. Now he's a DJ or whatever. But like somebody who from his background and with his genre to be like, now lads should be dressing up. I thought it was really cool. yeah it's quite funny framing um dressing more gender neutral in a like a masculine way being brave and yeah it's quite interesting yeah especially someone like that of that nature

13:19Tunde Ogunsina:yeah people listening to that will be so shocked but they'll be listening yeah because yeah he's

13:23Frankie Foster:like yeah fashion's great and he loves fashion everyone he's like everyone should be brave with what they wear and this is coming from you know if you think about when you're a kid and boys are taking the mick out of each other he would be in that sort of circle of grime artists and rappers and now he's at high fashion saying, be brave and wear something cool. So I thought that was cool. Not to pigeonhole yourself, but feel free to try different things. And also, I feel like the celebrities that we're looking at as kind of very stylish people in the eye, like Harry Styles, even like Josh O 'Connor.

13:51Tunde Ogunsina:Oh yeah. They're people who kind of flirt with and use kind of gender neutral things or maybe classically feminine items. They're considered really stylish because they can do all of it. Yeah. Which I think is amazing. Like in one box. Yeah, exactly. Frankie. What about you? Where's your style come from?

14:07Frankie Foster:Mine's kind of working its way backwards from, from horse racing and formal wear. And I think I started taking more care about, well, I did start taking more care of what I was wearing because I was presenting. If you look at some of the old suits, oh my God, they were terrible. I think learning how to dress properly in formal wear and how to get things to fit correctly and how to pair the right colors and getting shoes right with an outfit doing all of that and then realizing how much better it looks when you do it properly is now sort of slowly filtering its way into my normal life and I'm taking more care of what I wear every day because of how much of a change I noticed on showing up for work feeling good so I think mine's come from formal wear and suiting and noticing huge changes with small details and things fitting correctly in the right colors but yeah it's obvious but you think about what you wear and suddenly you feel and look better yeah that's I think that's a really good point actually actually paying attention to what you're wearing and starting to think about it and to construct those outfits and what colours go with what.

15:09Frankie Foster:Yeah, which I'm still getting better at. I mean, sometimes you can feel like, God, I'm thinking far too much about what I'm wearing this week.

15:16Tunde Ogunsina:I just need to throw on a t-shirt and go out. In the morning sometimes I'm like, stand in the mirror, I'm like, okay, this looks good, this looks good, this looks good, but I've been standing here doing this looks good for 30 minutes. I'm like, I should really leave now.

15:28Frankie Foster:Suiting, I always say actually wearing a suit is potentially the the easiest choice because trying to decide what you know over shirt and trainers and jeans is a bit of a mismatch yeah you get a good two-piece suit on with a well-fitted shirt and a nice tie and just job done and you had a simple you had an influencer recently that you yeah veto.999 talking about being brave and being extravagant he sort of is like polarizing old school formal wear vintage blazers and pointed collars and has a has a great tie collection which for the most part seems sort of thrifted he's very cool i think he's a new yorker um always has a tie on but sometimes dresses it down yeah cool cool guy does he always wear the high-waisted like

16:11Tunde Ogunsina:yeah yeah yeah long tie wider set tie um sometimes has a random sort of cool hat on

16:19Frankie Foster:yeah i think i've seen a cool guy i think it's vita but i think his name is victor but vita.99 i'm sure you'll find him he's he's blowing up actually he's doing loads of stuff yeah amazing What about you? When I started modeling when I was like 19, I didn't really know much about fashion. Being in that world, it's kind of opened my eyes a little bit, just slowly chipped away at the cynicism that I had in the beginning. But now I think my style isn't high fashion or anything like that. It's a lot more preppy, a lot more accessible. You know, like this is just a really good example of my style. There's a guy in New York, actually, who I love, who's made the transition from journalist to influencer.

16:54His name's Jake Wolfe. He's got a sub to that. He's really, really good. but what i found really useful is kind of not just him but like seeing what people are wearing okay and just going oh god i love that but why do i love it and trying to pick out the pieces and kind of reconstruct it with what i have in my wardrobe yeah i mean i take inspiration from everywhere everywhere i see it but it tends to be through like a tailoring or preppy lens yeah to wrap up the style section let's talk about one thing that you've bought recently that you love

17:19Frankie Foster:one thing i bought and one thing i found moving house uh pompey loafers are so good i love so so good i put in so many yards on race courses and i've trashed so many shoes legit i've bought a couple of them and they will last you sort of two years well the ones i the first pair i bought are still in good nick so pompey loafers are really really good they have some chunky sole ones they have a couple of cool styles would recommend they are a spanish brand but they do ship here and then my find in my wardrobe as i was moving was a really cool trilby from a cotswold based company called sheep and chic yeah who predominantly make furniture but they have a couple of pieces of clothing and this wool trim trilby is unreal so so cool if you want to sort of like round off a cool look for the races or you've got maybe a winter mac on and you want a trilby hat yeah i'd recommend it they're really cool and not too pricey which trilbys can be when you start to get fancy ones so yeah sheep and chic going back to my gloucestershire roots and for me if you guys

18:18Tunde Ogunsina:like trainers i bought um these trainers from coz they are thin sold don't really know how to describe the sort of like shape but they just curve at the bottom and i bought them in both the camel and the black and they are absolutely stunning and then i also um purchased a uh bag from coach they have this like gun metal it's called a carryall i think it's the empire carryall like 48 and it's like this big it is ginormous and it's good to go

18:48Frankie Foster:on a suitcase when you're travelling and it just fits everything your recommendation obviously will help but do you find the balance of smart casual trainer to too much trainer hard well not not with these snickers that's what I mean that might be the shout this is your answer yeah we've actually got a really good article on that trainer and jean and trainer and trouser but not being too trainers you look like someone's dad yeah I like being someone's

19:13Tunde Ogunsina:but I look like I like the dad look yeah genuinely that style of trainer is your perfect like way between like a shoe and a trainer yeah what would you say yours has been a Mr. P cashmere knit that I got recently lovely don't think I've ever felt a jumper as silken and soft as this it is ridiculous and it's autumn and it's my favourite season because you get to wear knits and I've got like an absolute stash that I can't wait to wear but yeah Mr. P cashmere sweater that's it's in like a kind of caramel camel kind of tone oh lovely it's yeah beautiful and easy to style quick reminder if you're enjoying this episode please subscribe to the sl man podcast um it really helps us continue to make this content and uh you can keep up to date so subscribe so now this is the mustn't miss section where we talk about what's going on at Shilux, SL Man or things that you've been to events.

20:11Here's everything worth bookmarking this week. I'm going to start. I interviewed Lando Norris recently for a kind of little interviews, a little black book, 10 minutes with Lando Norris for the website. And the piece came out really, really nicely. But just talking to him, he is an absolute dream. Like genuinely, and it's really quite cringy to say this about a celebrity, but you felt like I could be friends Yeah, yeah. That is an embarrassing thing to say.

20:36Tunde Ogunsina:Embarrassing at all, because they're normal people in it, right? Yeah, he was very normal and really chill and just lovely. Maybe he said the same about you. Yeah, I'm sure he did. Lando, if you're listening. We're besties now. Yeah. How about you guys?

20:48Frankie Foster:I'm going to premiere tonight for a new show, Champions for Gallop, or it's a continuation of the series last year, which is a story of the British jumps racing season, horse racing that is, not motor racing. And it's very cool. And I'm narrating a couple of episodes, so check it out. The difference between jumps racing and flat racing is jumps are there. But it's also a seasonal thing. It is. Yeah. No, I'm kidding. Yeah. Jumps racing is in the winter. Think of like tweed caps, like it's raining. It's hardy. There's three mile chasers, which are big strong horses, which go over jumps and slightly slower.

21:22Frankie Foster:And then flat racing is in the summer. Think Royal Ascot, champagne, flat, sexy, fast horses. They're your supercars. Yeah.

21:29Tunde Ogunsina:And then for me, I have been working closely with the product team on the gift guides for SL Man that come out, I think, at the end of the month. I think there's six gift guides in total across like grooming, experiences to go to and like travel accessories. So, yes, exciting. It will be coming out soon. And there's some really cool things on there.

21:49Frankie Foster:Very nice. Have you got a standout? I'm putting you on the spot now. Is there something that springs to mind? Standout.

21:53Tunde Ogunsina:There actually is. For me, what I saw, Duke and Dexter have this like tray. I don't know what the tray is for. because they just call it a tray, but you can use it for loads of different things. It's got like the grooves in the sides. So let's say if you have a cigarette, but it's just nice to go on like a coffee table. That was definitely one of my standouts that I've found so far, yeah.

22:11Let's get into the hot topic. We kind of can't not talk about Ryder Cup, right? Yeah. It's chaos. It's absolute madness. I couldn't believe it. The thing that came out this morning, McElroy saying he'll never play again. Whether it's AI or not. Yeah.

22:26Frankie Foster:He still kind of meant it, I think. Even if it was AI him. I wouldn't blame him, would you? Well, I think when heckling crosses over beyond the player and also if his wife got hit with something, if it becomes physical, then that's a completely different ballgame to actual like verbal heckling, which can take a step too far anyway. But the moment anyone feels like they are uneasy being there, then they can't play their sport. And it's like, what is it? Criminal, isn't it? It's an offense. Because if I got hit with something when I was trying to play my sport, I'd be thinking what the hell is going on here?

22:59Tunde Ogunsina:Because I went to the Open in Edinburgh a couple months ago and it was interesting because I was coming away from that thinking because you get so close to the players, right? So like it is such an intimate sport. So to have that so close to you, I can totally understand why he's come up with that. I'm all for the intensity and I'm not against heckling in general.

23:22Frankie Foster:I'm all for that sort of intensity and being really close to them. but it's the moment that someone would touch you or hurt you. Then it's like, whoa, that's too much. You've weirdly got to have respect whilst still maybe being somewhat disrespectful. There has to be a line, doesn't it? Yeah, you do it in a way that isn't actually trying to be pernicious or horrible. You're, you know, maybe goading, joking, but it's in good spirit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think that was a really intense thing that he went through. For the large part, dealt with it really well, I feel, was he told the fan to shut the fuck up.

23:55basically and then putt it just absolutely yeah you've got to make that putt haven't you you get the feeling yeah you do have to make it you do but how satisfying does that feel yeah 100 % but yeah I think you come away from that feeling not sure if you'd want to do that again on sport yeah Harry Styles so for context Harry Styles ran the Berlin Marathon in under three hours that time it is insane I love it when people

24:19Frankie Foster:that have obviously very successful careers doing something else also are really good at something else I think it's so cool there's a part of me that's like wow that's really cool and impressive and the other part's like he probably had all the help in the world to get there and maybe a lot of free time yeah I don't know oh yeah he's like the millennial yeah dream

24:38Tunde Ogunsina:yeah 100 %

24:39Frankie Foster:that hair apparently he's really funny remember that or that the six sixes for guys no have you not heard of that no never heard of that

24:47Tunde Ogunsina:no no no

24:48Frankie Foster:over six foot oh I have heard of this oh right six figure salary because I know one of the sixes is really 600 horsepower car Oh Six months since the last relationship And six inches Yeah And then you can think of the rest Well Harry Styles has like Got his own one of those hasn't he Yeah the millennial Oh yeah Modern version Sub three hour Great in bed Hilarious We all sound pretty jealous Yeah yeah yeah I wish I could do that 100 % This is pure envy coming through Yeah

25:14Tunde Ogunsina:Because I've been running for years

25:15Frankie Foster:And years and years and years No it's extremely impressive Sub three like people Yeah You have to put in the yards To do that don't you I think I'd get sub five maybe sub six maybe no you'd do better i mean i did a half marathon in two hours and ten minutes

25:27Tunde Ogunsina:that was a struggle i ran a marathon should we get training today yeah we will get training let's do

25:32Frankie Foster:it the sl man uh run club let's do it i did run for a drunken bet a marathon right not while drunk almost okay not quite i wouldn't advise it either don't take this as professional advice but yeah i was training a fair bit of time but not running i was boxing and stuff and we i don't I know we were sat at a table and I have no idea why I said this or why it came into conversation but I was like I could probably run a marathon and the table effectively bet me that I couldn't and it turned into an actual monetary bet me versus each other person individually I had to get up at 9am the next day and start running and I wasn't allowed to stop until I'd run a marathon and it was me like versus we had our own bet we had our own bet so everybody bet against me and we went out at about 2-3am I had a pack of mini Pringles from the hotel bar and then went up the Same 5K strip up and down in Cyprus in 40 degree heat with Lucozade and some swim shorts on and did it in about four and a half hours.

26:23Frankie Foster:That is mental. In that heat. I was honestly, I genuinely at one point was thinking this is really not safe. This could be the end of me. Did you have water? I had water.

26:34Tunde Ogunsina:Just Pringles. Yeah, Pringles.

26:35Frankie Foster:And the worst thing was there was this massage parlor on the side of the street and where I was going up and down about eight times. they kept waving at me like come for a massage and i said i'd love to but i've got another 20k to go how long did you do it i was just shy of five hours so it was not quick at all i was crawling but at the time i probably hadn't ran further than 5k and i was pretty hungover so it was a mental battle yeah how much did you win well i don't know it was stupidly or not it was 100 pounds each person so i coined in about 500 quid which added for the motivation because

27:08Tunde Ogunsina:i also didn't want to pay out 500 a couple of the guys on the table didn't want part of it they're

27:12Frankie Foster:like, no, he's way too stubborn. I'm saying that's worth it. Yeah, 100%. I think it's worth it.

27:15Tunde Ogunsina:So you had£500 now to spend on your holiday, right? Yeah. Perfect. All paid for. Yeah, it's good. Yeah, I went for dinner that night.

27:21Frankie Foster:My hot topic of the week comes from Matthew McConnell, who is everywhere at the moment, by the way, on podcasts and appearances. But the one snippet that stuck with me anyway, he said for a successful marriage, he recommends a queen size bed. Okay. Rather than a huge king size and speaks about him having to be closer to his wife for a successful marriage. So none of this kind of, right, love you, good night, off you go over there. He wants to be close and intimate the whole time.

27:47Tunde Ogunsina:I agree. I guess my question is, how have you come to that conclusion about the bed being part of the reasons to why?

27:55Frankie Foster:The way he spoke about it was that he had a bed that was too big.

27:59Tunde Ogunsina:Okay. He didn't like it. I think there's two angles going on here. Yeah. A bed is for two things, mainly. You can't have two beds. You can't have two beds.

28:11Frankie Foster:You can't have one to sleep in and one to do the other bits in. It's sleeping and your intimate moments. So the smaller bed's going to make it better for your intimate moments. But sleeping. I thought you were going to say the other way around. What do you mean? You want a big bed before going to bed.

28:28Tunde Ogunsina:No, but then the smaller bed actually works better because then you're more compact.

28:33Frankie Foster:It doesn't matter how big the bed is if you're having sex. You don't like spread out to fill the bed. so yeah but it's good to have it bigger so you could do more I guess that was my point the bigger bed before going to sleep and the smaller bed to go to sleep so you've oh you've got the wrong way around I think I'm team Harvey here yeah you've got the wrong way around I thought you just

28:51Tunde Ogunsina:agreed with it

28:52Frankie Foster:no but I didn't you want to sleep on a big bed intimate on a small bed yeah

28:55Tunde Ogunsina:but now I've confused myself I don't know who's saying what now you need the bigger bed before you go to sleep oh yes and a smaller bed for sleep yeah so your sleep is very intimate and your big bed is more fun yeah 100 % I'm glad we sorted that out. No, no, no. You're still wrong. You're still wrong.

29:15So now we've got our Ride or Die products. One thing that you are absolutely backing right now.

29:21Tunde Ogunsina:Mine will have to be my Nintendo Switch 2. Honestly, it takes me back to my childhood. And I take it on the plane. I use it at home. And it's just so cool to be able to play Mario Kart on the move. And you can take the controllers out and play two-player. I honestly am obsessed with it

29:36Frankie Foster:It's so much fun That's what you're going home to do

29:39Tunde Ogunsina:Literally I get looked at on the plane When I'm travelling And I'm literally playing And all these kids are like I want to play that Yeah it's so much fun I love it What's your ride or die game? Mario Kart 1000 % That Rainbow Road Have you played Rainbow Road On Mario Kart before? Yeah Difficult Killer It's difficult It is difficult

29:54Frankie Foster:But my break power Insane

29:57Tunde Ogunsina:What about yours?

29:58Frankie Foster:It's not actually mine But I'm getting the benefits of it I've just moved into a new house Actually with a couple of guys And Matt is mad into his coffee i do have a few mini coffee gadgets myself the one i would put up is an opus coffee grinder but then he has a lit victoria espresso machine i guess which is so good so we've got a mini coffee corner with a sort of grinder coffee machine um milk thruffer so it's all all very professional in the kitchen like a barista yeah coffee is such an important cornerstone of what is day i love cherishing i'm a different person pre and post yeah mine Mine is the La Labo Osmanthus, which is the Kyoto fragrance.

30:38So La Labo do a city series where they kind of, each city that they open in or have a store in, they do a fragrance for that city. And I went to launch. Recently I had all of the city scents there and they were launching the Osmanthus. I actually can't describe what the fragrance is. Earthy-ish. Yeah. I just know that it beats everything else. I love it. Yeah.

30:58Tunde Ogunsina:Have you tried tobacco from that range as well? No, I've not. Are you wearing it today? I think so, yeah. I'm pretty sure.

31:06Frankie Foster:I'm genuinely not just saying this. When we were talking about your cow penoli, I thought you smelled good, yeah. Nice. That's the Osmanthus.

31:18So now it's time for your dilemmas. So we're going to get into your style questions or big life choices that you need help with, awkward situations. We've all been in. We picked out a few of the trickiest ones to tackle this week. I'm balding and it's killing my confidence. Do I shave it all off, try treatments or just own it? I would say to shave it off and own it.

31:40Tunde Ogunsina:I have a couple of friends that are bald now because they were balding and they are now in the most happy relationships. They're both getting married. I've got the ones in January next year and ones in July next year. And I feel like they are such beautiful humans now. So I would definitely own it. I'm on board.

31:55Frankie Foster:I know I've got a lot of hair,

31:56Tunde Ogunsina:so I don't want to sound like I'm, you know,

31:58Frankie Foster:giving advice to someone that's not balding. You can't come in on this. But again, like friends that were umming and ahhing, I always think everyone looks better once shaved. And then you know what you're getting as well. You haven't got a like question, how do I style it? You know what you've got. And that's you for life. So own it and get your style around that. People are great. Well done, he's got loads of hair. Thanks. It's less maintenance. My perspective is that I've tried treatments before and I haven't used them before. They don't work for me in terms of they work on the hair. yeah but physiologically mentally they've not been good for me okay um because you're thinking about it more no just like the way that it kind of affects my body and the biochemical changes that happen when i when i take them so i've i've learned over a long period obviously i was a model for 12 years so hair was quite important so i've tried and it just didn't sit well with me so i've i've stopped that now and i think you know along the line i will just shave off if anything happens but one of my mates has done that he shaved his hair off and genuinely the difference before and He's so confident.

32:58Yeah, yeah, yeah. He looks great, so. You have lovely locks now. Yeah, maybe the treatments are still. So number two, I want to propose, but I can't afford the kind of ring that she's expecting. Do I wait or go for it anyway?

33:11Frankie Foster:I would say talk about it, but you can't speak about that. Yeah. You kind of almost have to be far away enough from proposing to have a mini conversation around it. Yeah. I think that's a bit of a, that's slightly sad, isn't it? Like, do you want to marry this person? I think there's the issue here or the crux of it is the expectation from the partner. That's a difficult thing to put on someone.

33:33Tunde Ogunsina:Very difficult because you think you know everything, how they're going to react and how they're going to take it. I mean, I have a lot of female friends and I know all of them would say, if they heard this question, they'd say, wait until you could afford the ring, I think.

33:47Frankie Foster:Maybe like a balance. Yeah. Don't, you know, at least get somewhat near. Yeah, yeah. And nail the proposal.

33:55Tunde Ogunsina:Yeah. Or maybe that is the balancing act, right? So maybe the proposal is just... Absolutely nail the proposal

34:01Frankie Foster:so that there can be no question asked about it. Yeah, true. Exactly. I've got a strong take on this. Okay, go on. If that's what they're expecting and they know you, and maybe they're the wrong person for you because they want something that isn't there. What I was thinking is also that maybe in the guy's head in this case, is it? Yeah. They are perceiving their partner's expected more than what they actually are. Yeah, true. Yeah, and that might be a societal thing where they believe they have to have this incredible ring. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But then you don't want the disappointment. Yeah, I know.

34:35I do kind of agree with you there.

34:36Tunde Ogunsina:Yeah. But there are new, I mean, there are new things now, right? So you can get like a lab-grown ring rather than like an actual mine diamond ring, which are a lot more cheaper in respect to the old one. So I guess there are ways to try and still find what they are looking for just at a different cost. I was going to say I feel like we haven't solved this dilemma

34:55Frankie Foster:but you basically said don't propose you've said find another one I said find another partner sorry but yeah it feels like you know first of all understand if this person is really for you like really that's a big decision so I know it's maybe a bit obvious to say but really think about if that is the right decision and if it is and you want to propose to that person maybe try some cheaper alternatives like the lab grown diamond some of those are amazing as you've said that's a good option for you consider that mull that because it's not an easy decision that no number three i'm trying to cut back on drinking but all my social life revolves around pints how do i do it without becoming the boring mate oh i've been there promise i didn't send this question i just text this one in i've had a very boozy september right very boozy september i know it's a bit cliche but i am ready for that october to christmas you're doing stoptober i don't think to maybe this is my advice i don't think saying you're going to stop drinking works as well as drinking less having a few social drinks or if you go out for dinner or you're on a date i think you're going to be more inclined to have a drink and if you've said you're stopping completely the moment you have one you give up on stopping completely so i don't think that or it doesn't work for me but i will be conscious of it i'll be working out more i'll be doing other things i won't be going out as much partying yeah um but i will have a glass of wine if i'm on a date or out for dinner or something like that but i do feel like i need it i mean i'm knackered i came

36:21Tunde Ogunsina:in here with big bushy eyes this morning well i actually did it i stopped drinking in october last year um and whilst obviously at first i was labeled as the boring friend i think if anything my friends realize i'm actually a lot more fun without the alcohol i can still stay out till the early hours of the morning if if i want to um and also i can be able to i can just go home and i can drive there and drive home and be fine and i think something about me is that i also like knowing that my friend's also safe. So if my friends are too drunk or a bit too loose, I can then take them home. And I like to know that they're all at home in one piece.

36:56Tunde Ogunsina:Have you not drank since last year? Not a single drop. My friend gave me a drink by accident at a wedding because he thought he gave me the lemonade rather than he gave me the gin and tonic. But I drunk a tiny bit of it. But I've not actively gone to get a drink from anywhere. Just the side effects of not drinking has just been amazing. I wake up every Saturday, go to the gym or go for a run. I hate how cloudy my brain gets.

37:15Frankie Foster:I hate how puffy my face gets. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I get a big round head after too much alcohol,

37:19Tunde Ogunsina:which is not a good look. I mean, to go back to the question, your friends will eventually just, it'll become the norm to them. And you being called the boring friend will go away because they'll see the benefits of you not drinking.

37:31Frankie Foster:What do you think about finding a non-drinking buddy? Yeah, I was going to say, you haven't changed your social life. No, not really. But there might be an argument to say, maybe start incorporating things that don't revolve around going to the pub. oh yeah yeah yeah yeah because like going back to running but you know that's just something that you can do that's sociable yeah yeah but also not revolved around drinking yeah there's loads of stuff you can do that you know clubs and yeah sports i find or like even getting out of the city exploring nature and stuff like that i find we have a monthly games night me my friends now

38:05Tunde Ogunsina:there's drinking involved but it's not like it's not revolved around drinking so it's like being your own space have a bit of fun crack some jokes and filling mornings i guess if you have no

38:13Frankie Foster:plan Sunday morning or Saturday morning, probably more inclined to go out. Yeah. Whereas if you have cool plans on stream, you can go to bed excited to wake up for your plans. Of course. Yeah. It's a tricky one, isn't it? Because going out is fun. Yeah, very fun. But I do, I understand the fear and the social pressure because I'm very much in a group where it is quite pint heavy. Drink, drink, drink. Yeah. So I have that, but it's also a kind of self-talk rather than it's necessarily what other people are thinking. and you're kind of more mentally resilient when you're drinking less. So it kind of all feeds into itself.

38:47Do you drink? I do, yeah. Yeah, yeah. But I'm quite conscious about when I drink. Yeah, and how much else? I choose it.

38:53Frankie Foster:Pick your battles, I guess. If you've got something really fun, give yourself a break. But then also don't do the silly random nights that like ruin your final morning.

39:03Tunde Ogunsina:For the next two weeks, you're just out. You just can't recover. I met a guy last night who only drinks two nights a week. That's his rule. I don't know. Maybe that's a simple one to kind of incorporate. like a good compromise yeah just as you're trying to cut down that seems a lot I've got Friday Friday five days a week I feel like that's a great starting point you've got to start somewhere yeah so that wraps up this episode for this week that was really really good I really enjoyed that thank you so much for tuning in there's going to be plenty more on the pipelines if you enjoyed the conversation please subscribe leave us a review and share the episode with a friend we've been SL man enjoy Thank you.