Rethinking Gender Roles, Team Shopping Addictions & The Hottest TV Right Now | SheerLuxe Podcast

6:47Tolly Shoneye:They literally used to give us milk to drink and now it's don't drink milk. Yeah. The idea of drinking... I reckon you could drink straight up milk.

6:53Charlotte Collins:Oh, yeah.

6:53Tolly Shoneye:For sure.

6:54Charlotte Collins:What makes you think that about me? I haven't drank milk in any way. I just know you well enough. I know.

6:57Tolly Shoneye:What, and you could drink a glass of full fat milk? Yeah, man, I like milk. Like, I am quite weird with, like, some foods.

7:03Charlotte Collins:I've seen her shot her best friend's breast milk, so I knew that she'd be all right with it. I tried breast milk. I tried my sister's breast milk. It was nice.

7:10Tolly Shoneye:I was so fascinated to see what it tasted like.

7:11Charlotte Collins:Yeah, like, why would you try it? It's like, I'm like... It's sweet, man. It tastes like... Oh, that. Do you know what I mean? I didn't hate it. Like, it's like nothing-y. I'd rather have a shot of someone's breast milk than a whole glass of cow's milk. What? I drink cow's milk in coffee. But, like, just a glass of milk. Just straight up. So fascinating. Oh, I could actually gag just a little bit. Anyway, listen, Milk, good for your nails. So that is a full circle. That's a full circle chat. Just want to give a shout out to Giddy Prince, because I saw this and I was really thrilled because I love them too.

7:38Yeah, so I came up on a targeted ad, which I love, and I have been looking for some nice art for my house that doesn't cost the earth. And they do sort of framed art, like vintage inspired prints. So I bought this Zodiac one, and everything comes framed, and they've framed it all really beautifully in some lovely colors. and this is maybe like 150 quid which in the art space is like very decent I would say and they're all framed in London and I think it's just a really nice accessible price point the pieces are really cute so yeah if you're looking for some affordable artwork that's a great place Kitty Prince

8:14Charlotte Collins:I keep being served on social all these like cool ways of framing and I don't have the sort of creative time or knowledge to like do it in like a really artistic creative way but they do that Yeah, that's the reason I was like, oh, I've got a frame already. Like, cause I find, like I know it's so lazy, but just like buying the art and then thinking, oh, the frame, that's gonna cost X amount more. So I think even better value that you get the print and the frame. Agreed, they very kindly actually sent me a really sweet, it's like, it's almost like slightly larger than a postage stamp of a beagle.

8:46Charlotte Collins:Oh yeah. Framed on a pink, pink paper. Mount, thank you. Pink paper, what's that thing? I'm so digital. Framed on pink paper. and then with a really gorgeous little border as well. Yeah, so sweet. And actually, it makes me smile every time. That's cute.

9:00Tolly Shoneye:I've been in my home for five years, right? And I just, not well, about two years ago, just put artwork in my living room because I could not decide. I didn't want to commit to anything. But I haven't put anything in my bedroom yet because I just cannot figure out what I want. It's very hard. It is. It's so hard.

9:11Charlotte Collins:You should do what I do. This is not an ad. I pay for this company called Interrupted Art, which is art rental. It's£66 a month and they have a huge roster of different artists. You know, they very, they come from the art world. So it's a very kind of highly curated edit of artists. And talk to them. You send them photos of the space. You show them the rest of your interiors, your taste, your style. And then every 10 weeks, they send you a couple of options, tell you a bit about the artist. And they're all kind of framed differently or mounted differently or whatever. And then they come and deliver it to you.

9:43Charlotte Collins:And it stays there for... That's amazing. Oh, that's fun. It's great. Could you buy it at the end if you decide you like it? You can. Oh, that's so good. It's honestly so good. I've been doing it for two years now. and I've got this one blank wall in my kitchen and it just rotates. And that's so nice. Oh, that's really nice actually. Yeah, I recommend that. Yeah, because I find the same thing. The commitment, I get like real commitment, anxiety around like art and stuff. Yeah, like often it's quite expensive. And why is it going to work in the space? That's a really nice option. Yeah, I really recommend it.

10:07Charlotte Collins:Okay, Trolley, things you're loving. You've said your new food shopping technique. I'm desperate to know what this means.

10:12Tolly Shoneye:Okay, so it's not as exciting as it sounds, but so I live alone in a food shop is probably one of the biggest eggs of my life. Although I do love going to Big Tesco. Me too, man. Yeah, love Big Tesco. But especially late night.

10:23Charlotte Collins:Definitely late night. Oh yeah, it's elite, isn't it? But they're not 24 hours anymore.

10:26Tolly Shoneye:Oh. Do you remember when they, well, the one thing in the shop's at 12 now, it used to be 24 hours and I would literally go there at like 1am and have the time of my life. That was like my teenage once we all could drive. That was all we did.

10:36Charlotte Collins:Should we go to Big Tesco? Big Tesco late night. Why did we decide that? There was nothing else to do. That's what it was, isn't it? We couldn't go to the club. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was like Tuesday.

10:43Tolly Shoneye:I'd go in there and go out popcorn and cookies. I'm like, and that's my Saturday night.

10:46Charlotte Collins:I'm excited if you can mix it. Yeah.

10:48Tolly Shoneye:So I don't like doing a free shop because I waste so much food, like living on my own and things like that. So recently I've discovered a new way to shop, right?

10:54Charlotte Collins:Okay.

10:55Tolly Shoneye:And all I do is just buy loads of veg that I like, but cut them into really tiny pieces. Okay.

11:01Charlotte Collins:Yeah, go on. This is a way to prep food, not to shop, but continue.

11:03Tolly Shoneye:Really, really thin, slimy pieces. And then that's the base for every meal I have for that week. I understand that. And it is, I am having such a good time. What are you making? It's just be like a side of like salmon and really tiny cut veg. Chicken and really tiny cut veg.

11:20Charlotte Collins:Everything tastes better when it's cut really tiny. Yeah, it's so, trust me.

11:24Tolly Shoneye:I know it sounds ridiculous, but your cucumber, especially your cucumber cut them into really, really small pieces. Okay.

11:29Charlotte Collins:And it feels like more. So what veg are you thinly preparing?

11:33Tolly Shoneye:So red onions, cucumber. No, no, I see this. Keep it. Red peppers. Yeah. And I just like throw in some sweet corn for the fun of it. Okay, so this is like a salad situation rather than like roasted veg. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Have you got a mandolin to like chop it for you? Okay, that makes a difference. And that's loads of fun to do as well. I love my mandolin. I love it. I don't have a mandolin. Maybe I should.

11:51Charlotte Collins:Polly, invest in a mandolin. I think they're about four quid on Amazon. Yeah, yeah. It's honestly, it is game changing. Really? Yeah. Good piece of advice. Thank you so much. BBC World Secrets podcast.

12:01Tolly Shoneye:Oh my God, it's so good. So I am really, really into, so I was a beauty journalist for ages. I was a beauty editor at BuzzFeed for like years and then stopped writing beauty in that sense. But initially I wanted to be an investigative journalist. but when I came out of uni like wars started and I was like oh hold on that's a bit more serious than I thought it would be I'm gonna write about lipstick but it's always meant I'm fascinated by like investigative journalism like when people are like here's this cause and we're gonna go like do a deep dive into it and that's what BBC Word of Secrets is it's a podcast right and every season it's like a different like thing that they investigate so the last one I listened to was called Death in Dubai and it was about this whole like portal puppies and all of that had water Porta potties.

12:42Tolly Shoneye:Porta potties.

12:43Charlotte Collins:Where you go to the loo?

12:44Tolly Shoneye:Yeah, but they use humans.

12:45Charlotte Collins:What?

12:46Tolly Shoneye:Yes. It's all really dark. It's all really quite dark. And this journalist has gone into Dubai and done a big investigation about it. And she's like going undercover and like asking people like, have you seen this person? And like risking her life in a sense, like to accuse people to be like, here's what you've been done and you've been caught out for it. And I find it so brave and so fascinating that someone would actually do that to get a story out there. Because one of my biggest things is I think storytelling is so important. Yeah. Like of all stories. so someone to be like, here is this deep, dark thing that's happening.

13:14Tolly Shoneye:I'm going to go investigate that.

13:15Charlotte Collins:It's a real vocation, right? Yes. Like, you don't do that unless you're...

13:18Tolly Shoneye:You're really passionate about it. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, okay, cool. It's really, really good to listen and would recommend it. And there's multiple series of them. Yeah, there's like 11 now. There's a new one that came out today, actually.

13:26Charlotte Collins:Okay, love that. I'm going to talk about another BBC adjacent thing, which is the Winter Olympics. Yes. Have you guys been watching much? Well, I haven't been watching, but I've been following, like, the Lindsey Vonn craft. Yes. A couple of people sort of... Yeah. That was like really uncomfortable, wasn't it? It was horrible, yeah. I think like for background, she has ruptured her ACL like 10 days before or something and then decided to compete. But apparently the crash was like nothing to do with that. Yeah, like 60 mile an hour, which is mental. Like you're skiing that fast. So fast. Yeah, she's fine.

13:55Well, as in she's obviously -

13:57Charlotte Collins:Not fine, but she's alive. But she's obviously one of the kind of big stars of the Winter Olympics, like a kind of iconic name. So yeah. But just generally, the coverage has been amazing. And I don't know about you, of when you flick on the actual Olympics, you can get really lucky and watch some sports that you might enjoy. But then there's quite a lot of niche sports that maybe don't resonate with everybody. Yeah, like the breakdancing. No, I was just thinking that, but actually... You've got to enjoy it. I did not dislike the breakdancing.

14:22Tolly Shoneye:That woman was the best sport ever in the world.

14:24Charlotte Collins:You know, they've now removed that as an Olympics sport.

14:26Tolly Shoneye:I know, that's bad. It could be a sport, they're like, no, they're going to go.

14:28Charlotte Collins:Revoked. Absolutely revived. Or like play pigeon shooting, you know, whatever. It's not funny. Whereas I find with the Winter Olympics, everything is fascinating because everything is speed and everything is like doing a version of something that we can that we you might have tried in real life right and so therefore you kind of feel like you know how hard it is in comparison yeah i've never tried to like run as fast as usain bolt but like i have ice skated so like i know that those backflips yeah are something else or like i watched a lot of the um the snowboard jumping i think it's called big air and these girls are sick like yeah they're like 16 year old girls upwards representing their countries flying through it like so fearless it's so badass isn't it it's so badass when they show you the kind of aerial shots they build these ski slopes and they build them on like like um a water slide like they build this huge structure and they just throw themselves off it's mad the top of this like fake mountain and then just spin in the air and land and it's so my thing with olympics is like how did you know you were good at that i think i saw a tiktok on this is like the niche one's like like the bobsled or the schedule or whatever.

15:33It's like, how do you discover your good at a sport like that? No idea. But like, I love that for them. It's so cool. So I'm really competitive, right?

15:40Tolly Shoneye:And like last, was it last year before, I was learning how to swim. So I just didn't know how to swim. And I was like, so I started doing adult swimming lessons, it was all going great. And like, I think my third lesson, like I did a full lap on my own. And I was like, oh my God, how long was that? And he was like 50 something seconds. And I was like, that feels really fast to me.

15:59Charlotte Collins:I think I'm really talented

16:01Tolly Shoneye:I went to go Google I was like the fastest like Olympic thingy and it was like 40 something seconds I was like oh my god I was like you've unlocked a hidden tunnel I am so good come to find out the Olympic pool is like double the size of the pool I just swam in but I was honestly for about five minutes was like what a story at 34 I discovered that I am actually an Olympic swimmer like wow that's literally what I thought I was like this is going to be amazing, but no. Yeah, you're right. I think Olympic pools are quite large. Okay, well, I think like, I don't know, you've asked some like straight men, haven't we, in the past, like it's been in the news, like they think they could like pick a sport and like just compete in it.

16:41Like in the next Olympics, I asked my husband the same thing. Like, what would you pick? And he picked diving. He was like, he reckons he could like start diving now and then be at Olympic level in four years. And I was like, of all the sports, He's like, it's just falling with style. I'm like, you are ridiculous. Like that is so untrue.

17:01Tolly Shoneye:I kind of want women to be more like that. I want us to be more boastful to be like, yeah, if I started that now, I would smash it. What would you pick?

17:08Charlotte Collins:I'd pick discus throwing. Discus throwing? Why? Because it's like stationary.

17:11Tolly Shoneye:Yeah. And also I used to throw discus in school. Oh, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I was like, I kind of know the vibe of it. And it's kind of like Bisbee, isn't it?

17:18Charlotte Collins:I think I'd do like. It's like Fritz. It kind of gives me mistrustful. Yeah, that's the only concern. I'd rather do something a bit dangerous. Do you know what's a really sad story?

17:28Tolly Shoneye:That's why I stopped doing it, right? So I got really good at discus though in school. And I remember one time this boy was like, your arms are so big. And I was like, I am never touching a discus again.

17:37Charlotte Collins:I feel like everyone has one of those stories. It's so sad, yeah. So like a boy tells you something about your body or whatever and then you're like, okay, cool. That's me like done for like. I'm never doing that again. Never doing that again. What would you do? I think I'd have to pick like, I don't know, like, fencing. No way. You're also not qualified to be a fence. You and Harry need to go off and do fencing and diving. Surely, like, you could learn to fence in four years. I think they're very nimble. Not that you're not. Yeah, I was going to say, have you ever seen me try to fence? You just dodged a sword.

18:08Charlotte Collins:No, I haven't. What would you do? Play pigeon shooting. Because that is just aim. Listen, I actually have dried that, and I was dog shit at it. No, I'm quite good at that. Are you? Yeah, not quite good at aim. Okay, I found it really hard. Like, that's got to be easier than fencing. Quite cool outfit for fencing. Yeah, that is a good point. Quite cool, like clay pigeon, you could wear your tweed jacket. Yeah, exactly, a little flat cap. I see that.

18:30Tolly Shoneye:I almost want to go into something that not many people do. So I can like, yeah, yeah, a niche thing so I can be a star in it.

18:36Charlotte Collins:I watched, there is a professional skater, and he is American. I'm sure I'm gonna butcher this, but his name is Ilya Malinin, and I don't think it hurts that he's come out at the time that he's arrived at the house because his name is Ilya Malinin. I feel like you should do a shot every time you mention heated rivalry from now on. I'd be smashed by 10am. But I watched an amazing clip of Djokovic watching this guy, Ilya, perform on the ice. Djokovic was locked in.

19:03Tolly Shoneye:He was, you see his reaction, he's like on his feet, like, oh my god, this is incredible.

19:08Charlotte Collins:And there's something kind of to the point about the masculine thing. There's something really cool about somebody who's such an elite sportsman, really appreciating somebody else. Someone else is. This is really elite sportsman.

19:17Tolly Shoneye:I find athletes so amazing. I think they're better humans than us. to be that dedicated to something since you were 12 years old. Yeah. What did you start doing at 12 that you still do today? Outside of breathing, I haven't picked another thing. I'm like, I quit everything else. But they're like, they decide when they're quite young and they just do it. So I think it's so amazing. I found out the other day that Yannick Sinner, who won Wimbledon last year, was a really talented skier for like a long time. Because he lived in a part of Italy that was, you know, like good for skiing. And he was like amazing at that, but then decided to switch to tennis.

19:46Like imagine being that good at like not one, but two sports. is yeah sickening actually so sick yeah but i think that's why a lot of them end up being

19:53Charlotte Collins:sports yay yeah potty has run a few marathons and that is yeah i mean that's dedication we can't really lump me together with these elite athletes no but the very average marathon no no

20:03Tolly Shoneye:the level of dedication that is to do yeah like i could never ever but like yeah that sort of puts into perspective that like i put you know a bit of dedication in for a few months of my year for a couple of years and they that's probably their entire life and i had to make so many sacrifices like socially, like professionally, and like also think about like looking after their body the whole time because it's their livelihood. It must be a really quite stressful existence. So hats off to them. Yeah, agreed.

20:31Charlotte Collins:Let's move on and talk about fashion finds. Okay. What have you found that you're loving? Tolly?

20:36Tolly Shoneye:I'm currently not trying a shot.

20:38Charlotte Collins:Okay.

20:38Tolly Shoneye:Yeah, I'm currently selling a bunch of my stuff. Like, cause I was like, I'm really embarrassed by my level of consumerism. I'm so bad.

20:45Charlotte Collins:I like things. Yeah, I get that. so much

20:47Tolly Shoneye:and I come back from holiday not too long ago and I was trying to like unpack and I was like where did all of these things go like there was no space anymore so I was like I want to get rid of a bunch of stuff so I actively have not been shopping because I love shopping with all of my heart so to not do it I genuinely feel quite sick how's it going I mean I bought this last week so

21:05Charlotte Collins:so not right really well

21:07Tolly Shoneye:but I bought it because I was like oh you've got rid of a bunch of stuff so you can now buy something that's been what I've been doing

21:12Charlotte Collins:how are you where are you getting rid of what are you doing selling things

21:15Tolly Shoneye:I'm selling things. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I did use, oh, I lied. I bought Hermes sandals the other day.

21:22Charlotte Collins:So, right. So it's going really well.

21:25Tolly Shoneye:Okay, cool. You guys go.

21:30Charlotte Collins:Bonnie, what are you buying? Well, I have been buying to make you feel better about your spending. I bought some, I bought these loafers actually. Where are they from? They're from Arquette. They're really nice. What I really wanted was the YSL Le Loafers. Yeah, so do I. And I've been on the hunt for something that looks similar. And I think these are the closest ones I found. They've got the like gyoza pinch that we were talking about. You know, like on a gyoza. Yeah, when they do that. Yeah. That's a good bit. It is a pin. It's cute. And look, they're out of stock at the moment, but I was like stalking them.

22:02And then one came back in, in my size. So that's what you gotta do. You just gotta like pounce, keep checking. They come up a bit small, so size up. But they're just really nice. They are really nice. They are really nice. I'm really happy with them. I think I'm gonna wear them a lot. and I also wanted to talk about a ganny coat that I took with me to New York this weekend where it was minus 16 I don't like I've never experienced cold like that that is crazy but this coat it kept me warm and it's not like a big puffer because you know there is a place for big puffers but I wanted to feel a bit more sort of stylish I guess so it's a big wall coat with two buckly belts and big big sleeves and sometimes those wall coats like that are smart like that they're a bit drafty but this one not drafty very thick very warm so hats off to gani and i got so many compliments like i'm going on the street she's like i love your jacket and i was like oh my god

22:52Tolly Shoneye:i find america are the most complimentary people ever in the world like it's where i feel the most attractive anytime i remember they're like oh my gosh you're so pretty like they just say it and with their day i'm like thank you she's nice no one ever says that yeah yeah i agree tell me more yeah i love your outfit yeah that's so nice yeah yeah it was cute yeah made me feel good good

23:12Charlotte Collins:good okay nice Emma's sandals do you wish to elaborate?

23:15Tolly Shoneye:so I've got the Scythe ones the ones that I've got yeah which I absolutely they came yesterday and I loved well look I bought them but they were so painful don't say that because I thought it would be comfortable might just be my foot

23:26Charlotte Collins:there have been mixed reports because I know that you found yours very uncomfortable but a lot of people do say they're the comfiest thing ever so I feel like maybe it's a foot thing I think maybe it's just a foot thing look that just might be me it might just be your foot I persisted so hard because I love them so much they are so cool and they're so chunky I love a chunky sandal in my mind I saw them as like a elevated Birkenstock, which, because it has like a bit of arch support and stuff, but they're just like, a level above. Yeah. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah, absolutely. And then another level.

23:49Charlotte Collins:And then another level. Yeah, yeah, yeah. A couple of levels there.

23:51Tolly Shoneye:And like I was saying to myself, because I just always did it online, my friends were like, why don't you go to the store and get the whole experience? I was like, oh yeah, I should have done that. Got a glass of champagne. But then I do think that feels really like, I'm not that bothered. They're only sad. Like it feels like I'm quite cool to not be like, I'm not going to go to a store. You don't need to walk around Yeah, like, this is normal for me. Yeah, like, what? Whatever. I didn't even post it on Instagram. Look how cool I am. You're a self-wealth. I love this view. So cool. Are you going on holiday so that you can wear them soon?

24:18Tolly Shoneye:Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm going away next month. Actually, speaking, because I'm going to Nigeria and speaking of that, I really want to talk about Nigerian fashion brands. I don't know how into them you guys are. So there's a brand called Hatunda, right? And it's got this dress and a top as well. It's like a face.

24:29Charlotte Collins:I've seen it. Oh. No, I've seen it. There's an influencer called Claudia Lee, who is six. She owns that store that made the fish bags. The metal fish bags. It's a really big thing in the summer. And she posted it, and it was like a halter neck version. It's got the eyes and the lips, and it's so cool.

24:44Tolly Shoneye:It is so cool, and they do the most amazing pieces. And honestly, a lot of Nigerian brands are so amazing. There's like Vendor, there was like a Tundra. There was so many of them that just do like statement pieces. Because that's what I realized when I go to Nigeria. We were actually dressed really boring here. Yeah, very. Like we don't, but they play with shapes. They do that. And I'm like, I'm obsessed with women who play with shapes because I realized I started to dress better when I stopped trying to look skinny. Yeah. You know what? I think that's such a point, isn't it? Like stop trying to like slim yourself down.

25:12When I stopped trying to be like, I need to look slim. When I was just like, just wear a shape.

25:16Charlotte Collins:Yeah. I always say this word flattering, basically that just means, yeah, basically. It means like, how do you make yourself look smaller? Exactly. Yeah. We don't need to.

25:25Tolly Shoneye:We actually don't. Because I used to do small, because I had corsets of like wearing something that was like, had a show, because I was like, oh, my hips look bigger. But I was like, actually, that's okay. Yeah, empowering. Yeah, definitely.

25:35Charlotte Collins:Can I tell you about the ASOS order that I have today? So one of the best parts about working here is I see all the content, obviously,

25:41Tolly Shoneye:before it goes live,

25:41Charlotte Collins:so I can shop it before it goes live. So I was sent in approval for an ASOS piece of, a piece of content that we've done on denim at ASOS that was running this week, but I got it on Friday.

25:51Tolly Shoneye:So I was like, jeans are amazing.

25:53Charlotte Collins:So many cool, yeah, so many cool jeans. And so I bought a pair that wasn't actually in the, the pair was in the edit, but I bought them in like a brownie pink. She just looks a bit different. As you say, we're so boring. She says sat here in her shirt. But you know, it's quite easy, especially at this point in the year when everything's like, we're not quite in spring yet, obviously. So I bought those. I thought that would maybe be a bit kind of a spring transition. Nice. They're a kind of slightly oversized, high waist, like boyfriend. Yeah. And then also Topshop had a really good jumper that was a pretty good dupe of the Dries Van Noten sweatshirt, which is like oversized obviously and has a ruched hemline and ruched sleeves so it's this kind of elevated sweatshirt which like I'm into for work that with head heels and some tailored trousers like stealth comfort and then also a really oversized long sleeve white t-shirt from a range I was going to literally it was going to be my question how do you guys feel about the range range

26:48Tolly Shoneye:I love it it is so good whoever the shop or the designer is for that it's so good isn't it it's so good

26:54Charlotte Collins:they're designing it in house we went behind the scenes at the offices to take a look at how they design it. And it's so good.

27:00Tolly Shoneye:I think ASOS and H &M are the two brands that I've been committing my whole life. There you go.

27:03Charlotte Collins:That's something you haven't changed since you were 12.

27:04Tolly Shoneye:Like, yeah, literally, genuinely. Because I used to work in H &M when I was a teenager as well. So like H &M and ASOS, I will always have things in there.

27:14Charlotte Collins:Girls, we're going to move on and talk about celebrity. Bye. Can I start by talking about Benito Bowl? I think you can. Like, just the joy that was. It's so good. Bad Bunny's performance at the Super Bowl this year.

27:27Tolly Shoneye:Just what a joyous performance. It was so good.

27:30Charlotte Collins:It was so happy.

27:31Tolly Shoneye:I feel so lucky because that was my introduction to Bad Bunny. Obviously, I've heard of him, but I've never really paid that much attention, if I'm honest. And then that was my first time, and I was like, this is a great me cute. This is such a good me cute.

27:43Charlotte Collins:We are vibing. I love you. I saw a TikTok of a guy being like, this is POV, this is everyone at the Super Bowl, and it was Bad Bunny on screen. And he was some white dude being like, being like, I don't even know who this is. Like, I don't even speak Spanish. Like, I don't really understand what I'm saying. Just like, you cannot help but move your lips to that. I loved all of the symbolism that came from it. Obviously, he's Puerto Rican, and there were kind of huge references to that throughout the grass fields, the little sets and stages were incredible. Kind of people playing games and kind of representing different areas of Puerto Rican life.

28:16Charlotte Collins:And I loved, he wore Zara. And did you see that he sent everybody who worked on the Zara costume and what he wore, a version of it as well. Oh, did he? Which is really cool.

28:27Tolly Shoneye:It really irked me though. They did cut the emblazer bit at the back. I know I saw this too. I thought Lou, our fashion editor. I was just kidding.

28:35Charlotte Collins:The vent at the back was still closed. Oh, just little. I just love being alive in the era of the internet because the thing that went super viral was the fact that they, if you haven't seen it, they transformed the entire pitch into this like incredible high grass maze and the way they did it was by having humans dress up as the grass because obviously that was the quickest way to run on stage and the memes the memes the behind the scenes of people being like I was a blade of grass do you know what it felt like

29:05Tolly Shoneye:it felt like when you go watch you're like a kid or a niece or something in a school play you're like you're grass and that's what I'm grass number three literally at first I was like wait actually no give people jobs yeah man you know what employment yeah employment is great actually yeah That would go on my CV if I was gross. Yeah. Yeah. Bad Bunny. I've seen that in my Instagram bio. That's literally what it would be. Like, I would be like, performing at the sleeper book. We don't need to know how. We don't need to know the details. I might have been Bad Bunny.

29:30Charlotte Collins:I might have been Grass.

29:31Tolly Shoneye:Yeah, true. Who knows?

29:32Charlotte Collins:Am I Lady Gaga? I don't know. Anyway, I thought it was so joyous. Valka looked amazing.

29:37Tolly Shoneye:It was. Valka did look amazing. She looked so good.

29:39Charlotte Collins:But I have subsequently seen a version of when Sharpay and Ryan sing bop, bop, bop, bop, to the top in High School Musical. And she is wearing like an almost identical outfit and moving almost quite similarly,

29:49Tolly Shoneye:which is unfortunate. Can't unsee. Can't unsee it. Yeah.

29:53Charlotte Collins:And you know the couple that got married on stage were a real couple. Yes, that's amazing.

29:58Tolly Shoneye:And it's also what America and the world needs so desperately. Totally. So desperately right now.

30:02Charlotte Collins:Yeah, exactly. So that was mine. Speaking of, hard launch. Yes, hard. At the Super Bowl for the couple at the moment. Yes.

30:12Tolly Shoneye:Boy from Stevenage is dating Kim Kardashian. I mean, that's one way to put it.

30:19Charlotte Collins:He's not like a little boy from Stevenage.

30:21Tolly Shoneye:But I like the headline of Boy from Stevenage is dating Kim Kardashian. I like that too. So we had heard, was it last week? That they would like, done like a hidden hotel getaway.

30:31Charlotte Collins:They were at SL Manor. What?

30:34Tolly Shoneye:Didn't you see this? I didn't see that bit. They were secretly having this little meet up. That's mental. Love that. And then, so I was like, oh, they'll keep it hidden for a little while longer. And then the week after, at the Super Bowl, they had a little kiss.

30:46Charlotte Collins:Also AI. What is going on? They hate the world Are you joking? They were there The kiss is AI The world is awful And one has to be very Very Yeah I know So careful about what you That's terrible But they were at the Super Bowl together But they were there together

30:59Tolly Shoneye:But we didn't see them kiss We didn't see them kiss But they looked cute I don't Don't see it How old is he? No idea actually I think he's younger than her But I do think he like Dates up Yeah And Nicole was a bit older Than him as well So I do think I quite like men who date That's the only person I've ever known him to date Yeah

31:16Charlotte Collins:Yeah, he's quite quiet. People get really angry when we talk about the Kardashians. People get really like, why are you talking about these people again?

31:23Tolly Shoneye:We don't care. Yeah, hey.

31:26Charlotte Collins:But I find it fascinating that people don't find the Kardashians fascinating, even just from an academic perspective. This is not about being a mad fan or promoting it. No, I don't really watch it at all. I just think she's fascinating.

31:40Tolly Shoneye:So there's someone I follow called Christina. She has a podcast called Pop Syllabus. and she is amazing at doing a really deep dive into celebrity culture in a way that is so smart that you can't just see it as civilized. She breaks down the Kardashian quite a lot and it is annoying and we don't want to admit it, but they do change popular culture. Yes, they do. And they have done for years. And pretending they don't is foolish. Exactly. Like, let's all be honest. And like, it's really interesting seeing Kim go back to her default setting of dating black men again because she kind of stopped for a while

32:09Charlotte Collins:and then went really thin, but now she's put on her body again.

32:13Tolly Shoneye:that's literally what she does and it's really really fascinating to watch how they manoeuvre and it's annoying but they do change popular culture yeah they totally do sorry and you can like it or lump it but they are that influential but it is actually true and I think I do think people who dismiss popular culture are a bit like I'm like oh you're not like stop it yeah it's super reductive yeah yeah yeah like stop it the people who come and like who it's like just because you don't know who they are does not mean they are not that they're not necessarily exactly

32:37Charlotte Collins:I listen quite religiously to the Rest is Entertainment podcast which is hosted by Richard Osman and Marina Hyde and she is like both of them, they are so smart. And I love that like nothing is too trivial for them because it's like, I just think if you're interested in the world and I don't know, everything that's going on in the zeitgeist and entertainment and pop culture is a massive thing. Yeah, it does, yeah.

32:57Tolly Shoneye:How do you feel about them as a couple? Do we? Oh, not for me.

33:00Charlotte Collins:I don't know, I think it's kind of cute. I do think if you're her, and actually if you're him, you have to, like the pool is narrow of people who are in your, who are gonna relate.

33:09Tolly Shoneye:It must be frustrating being that famous because after a while, you just have to go date an oil tycoon. Because once you've dated all of it. That sounds so frustrating.

33:16Charlotte Collins:Boo. I'm going to find an oil tycoon today.

33:19Tolly Shoneye:Boo. But actually, no one do do that. Yeah, well, that's what they do. Yeah, eventually, after they've dated all of their peers, it's like our businessmen, tech guys.

33:25Charlotte Collins:I especially think if you're a woman, like I've got quite a few friends in our industry who have said to me before, well, women and gay men, who have said to me before that they find that, obviously, like, you know, there are a lot of freebies and kind of perks that come with working in this world. and they found that they've started dating men

33:42Tolly Shoneye:and at first these men have kind of loved and these have been like separate anecdotes.

33:46Charlotte Collins:Men have loved it and then ultimately become quite threatened by it and don't like it. So imagine if you're Kim Kardashian, like you have to, you know, you can't date the average person

33:53Tolly Shoneye:unless that person is so secure. And no man is that secure.

33:57Charlotte Collins:Can I segue really nicely to talk about heated rivalry? That's what I'm saying. I feel like this has become like a joke in the office, but if you're not on this side of TikTok, maybe one doesn't know kind of the cultural impact that this show has had. And it's not just the show, it's the actors. But these guys and this show have like genuinely, speaking of zeitgeist and popular culture, like completely, completely changed the conversation and opened up like a new era of something. And that is, you know, again, I was listening to them talk about it on the rest of entertainment this morning. They were talking about how fantasy and female fantasy in particular, like the idea of sex through the female gaze has kind of become more a part of popular culture in recent times because everyone's just sick of mendicating kind of what sex should it look like on screen or in books.

34:48Charlotte Collins:And so there's obviously that. But I think what the hardcore fandom that has emerged from this show has been about is these two young actors who are both 24 turning 25 this month. I'm that obsessed. And they've done so much press. So there are endless clips of these boys on the internet. and they are the absolute opposite of toxic masculinity. They are so secure, like sexualities aren't fully defined out into the public realm, so we won't speculate, but one guy, Hudson Williams, who plays Shane in the show, definitely has a girlfriend, and the level of comfort with which they talk about the sex in the show, the love in the show, because for people who think it's just about gay sex,

35:32Tolly Shoneye:it's really not, although I've learned a lot. like a lot which is also a really good thing as well I think like you know

35:38Charlotte Collins:I was out with a bunch of gay friends gay male friends last week and we were having conversations and I was able to ask questions that I never would have spoken about before because I didn't know and it kind of wasn't on the table and yeah the comfort and ease with which these guys talk about topics and it might be anything from like their favorite movie directors through to the way they emotionally inhabit a scene to portraying sexuality on screen all of these things that are kind of typically topics that men are necessarily hypersensitive around they are incredible on and say all the right things so i think that they the reason that the world is just like completely falling in love with them is not only their incredible chemistry but the way in which they are talking in a very very modern yeah and i think you can't underestimate the power that that has and the effect that that has on like future generations of men who while we all say like oh it's fine for men to cry I still feel like there is a massive like sort of pressure on men to not be emotional to be strong and stuff but whatever but like if they sort of show that you can as a man talk about lots of different things and it's not like weird or strange and you're still masculine and whatever like that I think could be really like have a massive impact on like boys growing up and thinking it's okay to talk about and things like that.

37:00Charlotte Collins:They are so comfortable in their own skin and they're also, I know this shouldn't matter but like they look kind of stereotypical but then what comes out of their mouth is so much more progressive than that and that's what's really important. You must watch it.

37:11Tolly Shoneye:I will. Do you know what? When you were saying that, I love when Teddy does that. I just finished watching We Might We Go At This and it's about, the lead is in a wheelchair and it's quite sexual and the show seems and it's fast. I was like, oh my God, I didn't realize it would work like that. Like it was so, I'm like, yeah, because I've never seen this on television before. this is it right

37:28Charlotte Collins:spot on I'm not I don't I'd like to think that the that the kind of sex education that has come out of his arrival isn't just from a place of like it's a genuine fascination exactly as you say you haven't seen this before it's such a privilege isn't it to grow up straight and see straight sex on TV and film and see that represented absolutely yeah glad we won an agreement so anyway watch it if you haven't but also then just like get to know the actors because these guys are going to be superstars Connor Story who plays Ilya in it is hosting SNL in a couple of weeks like they have absolutely skyrocketed

38:04Charlotte Collins:time to talk about our hot topic what has been on your mind lately Polly queuing in shops right okay so I want your opinion on this because I went to I won't name the store but I was in New York this weekend and we decided I wanted to go somewhere for my husband to try on a jacket and upon arrival it wasn't busy in there I don't think and your first impression is someone saying to you we just need you to queue we're at capacity I hate it and it's like even if it's for five minutes this was not a like you know this is a luxury store and I just don't think that that is the experience you should have as a customer at this like premium brand I think it takes the piss frankly i hate it it made me not want to spend money there because i was just like

38:49Tolly Shoneye:yeah well no i don't want to queue i think it's their way of trying to be like exclusivity like you know how you get in clubs to be like where you're gonna because you go in there and it was like there's three people in here yeah so why was i waiting outside if you're worried about theft fine but the guy at the front who's telling me to queue can be your security guard right and also like it's coats i don't think anyone's gonna like get away with like so much alarm you're not gonna be able i don't even think it's that though you're right i think it's like an exclusivity thing and it just winds me up.

39:17Charlotte Collins:I think it's something that luxury brands are doing, have done more and more in different ways. It's like how certain brands have put a restriction on the amount of handbags you can buy. They are trying as much as possible to give the air of exclusivity whilst actually taking away from the customer experience, which makes, as you say, it really turns you off. Well, like, alienates your customer. It totally alienates. If you're gonna do it, just make an appointment only then. If you're gonna make me queue, just say, appointment only, okay, cool, fine. I agree. I think the problem is there are so many people who are prepared to do it.

39:42Charlotte Collins:We all need to take a collective customer stand and say that we're not prepared to queue.

39:48Tolly Shoneye:Because I know my experience when I've done that a couple of times is you've gone into the store

39:51Charlotte Collins:and the reason they've made you queue is because they want each person to have their own sales person, to have their own SA to kind of take them around. But again, sometimes you just want to, I had to, my dad wanted a spritz of a Louis Vuitton fragrance when we were away last summer. We don't need a sales assistant for that. We don't need 15 handbags for the spritz of the fragrance. So I do think there is a level on which maybe there's a helpful approach, but you don't. Yeah, take a pragmatic, like, common sense view on it, right? I agree, I agree. I think they're really shooting themselves in the foot.

40:18Charlotte Collins:I was out with my mum, this is a while ago, but we were walking down Bond Street and we walked into a shop that we were, well, we tried to walk into a shop where we were fully prepared to buy something from and they said, sorry, can you just wait a minute? And we actually said, no, no, actually, I can't. And we genuinely, genuinely wouldn't spend money in there.

40:33Tolly Shoneye:Because they act like they're doing you a favor. Yeah. I'm the one spending the money. That's not the right way around at all. Like, I'll just go to another store where I don't have to queue and I'm treated like, you know, a valued customer. Yeah. I feel like a bit of a Karen saying this, but I'm really with you. It's really in a way. Yeah. And I hate that even people feel like they have to be like dressed up to go to these stores. It's a shop. Like, let's all be for real. It is a shop. It's giving pretty women. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Big mistake.

40:56Charlotte Collins:Exactly. Yeah.

40:58Tolly Shoneye:Tony, what is your hot topic? Okay. So, I do a podcast, right? And we get loads of like dilemmas and issues. And honestly, every single week, we've had issues about adult friendships. It's like, Like women have got to their thirties and are kind of like, I either don't have any friends or like I'm having issues with my friends or me and my friends are like at completely different stages in their life. And it's making us like go not as close anymore. And it feels like nobody knows how to like maintain adult friendships anymore. And I'm just like in a world that I think everyone's already so lonely, something's got to give.

41:32Tolly Shoneye:Like how do we work it out so we're not like, and I'm like a big believer of like giving your friends grace. But when is it that you should expect things from them? when should you give them grace how into your kids your friends kids should you be into like what are the rules to be a good friend when you're a bit older that's those are all great questions do you have the answers no i think so like i i've read an article uh a while ago actually i think it was by porna bell and she talked about something similar that you you end up in this rut of meeting up with friends for like dinner and all you do in that time is just like catch them up on what you've been doing but you're not making any new memories with that person and what needs to change is that you make a plan to make new memories with your friends rather than just like going for a drink and catching up for like two hours and then going home.

42:15Tolly Shoneye:And all your conversations like, oh my gosh, remember when we went this? Remember when we did this? It's like, okay, can we make new memories and stop remembering when we went to a club at 21?

42:22Charlotte Collins:Although they're good times. Yeah, great times.

42:25Tolly Shoneye:But like, we need to update them. Like, okay, you see your friends and you're still talking about, remember when we did this in 2012? Surely we can talk about when we did this last year. Yeah, like it's so consistently just remember when.

42:35Charlotte Collins:You are so good at that with your girlfriends. I feel like you do experiential things. Yeah, we are quite good and it's great. And like sometimes we do really random stuff. Like I come in, like I said to Charlotte, oh, we went to a little pig farm in Kew. And you're like, that is so weird. But I'm like, it was funny because it was so random. And like rather than buying each other like physical gifts, we like take each other somewhere or like do a random activity. And like, I guess it depends on your friendship group. I do think it like makes our group quite tight. you also what is the frequency with which you you do a night away because that's something you prioritize we do like a like once a quarter weekend away that's so good she's like you know doesn't always end up being like that's our like our aim yeah yeah and we generally keep to it and like obviously like one of my best friends in the group has just had a baby so we're adjusting like our q1 want to be like in london because then she can just like come and depend as much but like blocking out a weekend where you as a group just do stuff together book an activity yeah even if it's just getting a bit drunk together but like these are like experiences i think you're not just catching up for two hours you know it's so hard i guess like you know your friends live all over the world but like i also do feel like you and your friends are good when you're all together

43:51Tolly Shoneye:i think the problem is that like we are like brought up to be more focused on partnership than we are on community. I think your whole life is you grew up you're going to meet your person. Nobody focuses on community that you build around you and I think that's just kind of like screwed us all because once everybody is partnered it's like well I've done it in life I've ticked it I've done it like I've done it now I don't need my friends so you plan holidays with your partner you plan nights out with your partner where it's just like hey like dip into your community as well and I think when I go I see it a lot when I go to like Africa and I go to Nigeria it's really community based and it's like of course that partnership is important but everybody hangs out together and it's not just these isolated just moving with your partner and that's it for everyone else so i think that's what it needs to be we just need to be more community focused and like it's hard now because like community like seeing your friends now means that you have to spend money on dinner like there's no like free spaces that you have to like do you mean everything is like costly or like hey you're moving houses but there's a company you can call whereas before call your friends and they'll help

44:48Charlotte Collins:you like you know i mean everything is kind of made for us to be like individuals and i just

44:52Tolly Shoneye:think it's not really working out for people i promise you every week someone's like i'm lonely I don't have any friends I don't know what to do and it's like women who were established like they in a scene of it they have got friends like they like but they just still feel incredibly lonely and I don't and I think loneliness is a feeling that everyone feels above like they feel like I can't talk about that because that feels a bit lame yeah yeah they feel like I'm above I can't yeah yeah exactly it's like life is not tragic yeah yeah yes so many people are going there yeah

45:17Charlotte Collins:I think that's so wise yeah I think would either of you ever give a lift to an airport to a friend yes yeah for sure yeah yeah Okay, I'm not sure I would. And.

45:27Tolly Shoneye:Really?

45:27Charlotte Collins:But I was gonna talk about the cultural differences because I was telling an American friend this the other day and they were like, oh my God, like of course.

45:33Tolly Shoneye:Of course I would, yeah. I think that's a very British thing to give a lift to the airport. Do you? Yeah, I offer, oh I'll go and pick you up. Like, oh what time do you land? I can't pick you up. If someone asked me, I'd do it.

45:41Charlotte Collins:If somebody asked me, of course, but I wouldn't just be like, oh cool, you're getting in at this time. I'm not getting in.

45:46Tolly Shoneye:I've never called an Uber or anything to an airport. Wow. Like my sister would get me or my friends would pick me up or someone would always get me. so nice the amount of money I've spent on taxis over the years yeah I don't want to think about it I don't want to think about that yeah absolutely

45:57Charlotte Collins:well okay you sure leaning on your community I think is not something that we like we've got worse at that in this country yeah definitely certainly

46:08Charlotte Collins:we're going to end with some dilemmas yay someone has said if both partners work full time what is the fairest way to split money and mental load at home oh that's such age old

46:21Tolly Shoneye:that's so loaded so loaded because then do we look at who earns more yeah i think money wise i think it's who works harder do you yeah go on i think money wise you take a view on who is earning more i think it's not necessarily fair to ask everything everyone to go like 50 50 if one of you is earning a lot less than the other one and if you really truly see it as a partnership like each other's money is each other's money um the mental like the mental load i don't know hard because yeah ultimately like not to generalize I do think it does fall to talking of you know straight relationships here obviously um the woman yeah that kind of I don't know maybe women just it's ingrained for us to see it more as our role or perhaps men don't sort of see the things that need doing as much but I think if you're both working really hard you should split those 50 50 right but also who's to say whose job is the hardest so my job could be I'm just sat at a computer all day but like yours is like more labor intensive that doesn't mean you're working

47:22Charlotte Collins:harder than me so there's no way to tell you and ben both have very busy jobs how do you split that i'm really lucky that he first of all we've been together 16 years so like we've never had a working life without each other so do you think therefore that has evolved as we've been together so i want to ask you in a minute because you're the opposite in that you came together as adults um we have jobs that have fallen very naturally into our kind of skill set and interest he's very very anal about cleanliness and and the house and stuff which works so well because like i've never bought a dishwasher tablet i don't even know what ones we buy that's i don't you know i don't worry

47:58Tolly Shoneye:about bin day that's him and that's because he actually cares it's not because i've had to say

48:02Charlotte Collins:that but also would we ever go to an event with a present if it wasn't for me you know yeah there are totally there are totally jobs i pay the car insurance you know things that have just like naturally yeah weirdly the car on me who gets the mot i don't it's not him so petrol car cleaning all that so it's it's not about like blue jobs and pink jobs and any stereotype but i think we have fallen into those so i think you're really unlucky if you've got a guy who won't do any of that and maybe you should reevaluate that house yeah um as far as money is concerned i think this is so personal we talk about this all the time our money is completely separate like we get Pay into separate accounts.

48:40Charlotte Collins:Our life savings are all, that's sort of planned all together.

48:44Tolly Shoneye:Where do your bills come out of? Our own respective accounts. Interesting.

48:48Charlotte Collins:For different things.

48:49Tolly Shoneye:How did you decide that, I don't know, the guest bill was yours, this bill was mine?

48:53Charlotte Collins:So it started with,

48:54Tolly Shoneye:when we were much younger, Ben massively out-earned me.

48:57Charlotte Collins:And so it started, I think he had the majority and there were maybe a few small things. And then we have shifted as my earnings have increased and that gap has become smaller. so there have been years where yeah I'll get a pay rise so I take on the cost of the cleaner or and that is genuinely how it has just kind of adjusted but yeah it's entirely separate which I know that's why I think everybody's is it is really personal and I do think it's a case of like

49:21Tolly Shoneye:leaning on each other's strengths in terms of the like the mental load because it's like someone can be really good at this thing so that's what they cover but then also as their partner you need to find something else you're good at buddy like you can't just be like oh yeah yeah she's all the way she does it all no you find a skill set as well sir yeah exactly You show up as well. Yeah, I do think that's really important. And depending on how you're raised, because I was like, I always joke and say, I was kind of like weird to be a wife. Like, that's just how my mum brought me up. And that's what she, and before I spent my mum, I was like, actually, she only knew what she knew.

49:50Tolly Shoneye:So that's how she, that's how she was brought up. That's how I was brought up sort of thing. So I like quite quickly take on the like, oh, I'll do the food shop. I'll cook. I'll do this. I'll do this. And, but also it's like, I don't enjoy, I don't enjoy cooking, nor do I enjoy cooking. Really?

50:04Charlotte Collins:because when that's the slicing of the tiny yeah which is why i have to do that because i don't like

50:08Tolly Shoneye:i can do it i know how to do it but i do think it's like because i had to do it so much at home and literally like i mean i was no household of like we're all girls or we had like guy cousins and we had like cousins and my mom will be like the girls come to the kitchen to watch her cook and the boys will be sat down playing so i do think it's like anger from that yeah that now i'm like rebellion yeah and i'm like no i refuse i refuse to cook like i because i'm just like why do I have to do it? Like, I have a cleaner. My mum thinks I am the laziest. She's like,

50:39Charlotte Collins:why do you have a cleaner sort of thing?

50:42Tolly Shoneye:And so, but as soon as I'm in a relationship, I just go to it.

50:45Charlotte Collins:Like,

50:46Tolly Shoneye:all the things that I'm like, oh, but I'm like, do you feel cooking and cleaning? But you're very aware of it.

50:49Charlotte Collins:Yes, that's a good thing. Yeah, yeah, And sometimes I'm not doing it.

50:52Tolly Shoneye:Sometimes I'm not picking it up. No. No. How have you and Harry handled it?

50:57Charlotte Collins:Because you, as I say, you met in your 30s. Yeah. Well, I guess like, you know in terms of like mental load stuff like we have kind of fallen into our like quite traditional role so I take care of like all of the food side of things like I do all the cooking that's not to say he won't like make me a coffee in the morning and stuff but generally speaking I sort dinner and things like that um which I'm kind of happy with because I get to decide what we eat every night and he is happy with whatever I make for him and but separately he is not lazy like he will do some washing um he does he's very handy if I need a picture hung he'll do it like that the same day.

51:30So I'm kind of like at peace with the fact that I do all the cooking because he does so much other stuff. He takes care of a lot of like bills based things and yeah, car. Yeah.

51:40Charlotte Collins:I take quite a lot of pride in the fact that the car is my problem. I know nothing about my car.

51:45Tolly Shoneye:Like when the emojis come up, I'm like,

51:46Charlotte Collins:oh,

51:47Tolly Shoneye:I saw somebody say,

51:48Charlotte Collins:I found a way to fix it and she just put stickers on it. Guys, I put air in my tires. Well done, babe. I do. I get on the floor and I put that air in this. Oh my God.

52:00Tolly Shoneye:So for years, I used to get whipped up. The mechanic used to love me coming in because anytime it said low tire pressure, I used to buy new tires. No. And the mechanic would let me every single time. No, it cost me a pound. I know. I remember saying this to this guy and he was like, you do what? Like his face, literally he was like, and he lets you buy it. I'm like, yeah. He was like, you know, he just sells your old tires. Yeah. That is none of my business.

52:24Charlotte Collins:I have learned how to do it now though.

52:25Tolly Shoneye:I have learned how to do it. I'll go to a little science reason that I beat it up.

52:29Charlotte Collins:Okay, so in summary, what is the fair? I think the summary is that there isn't one, there's no one type at all. There isn't a set way, yeah. Whatever works for you, right? But whatever feels fair in your relationship.

52:37Tolly Shoneye:Yeah, and whatever you're willing to take on. If you're like, okay, I'm happy to do this because you do this, then that's fine. I do think sometimes women feel ashamed to say that their partner pays the bills and they do the house. Whatever works for you, it's fine. Yeah, I agree.

52:51Charlotte Collins:All right, I think we'll leave it there. Thank you both so much. This was fun. This was fun. You're very good. You should do this more often. I should. yeah it's awesome it's awesome it's awesome Tolly give us a hard plug

53:01Tolly Shoneye:for your podcast what's it called and how do we find you okay so I am Tolly and I host a podcast called the Receipts Podcast it comes out every single Wednesday I host it with Audrey and yeah you can find it everywhere it's like love dilemmas relationship we get such good dilemmas people are doing something oh my god that's so cool will you tell us about that yeah absolutely but yeah that's where you can find me

53:21Charlotte Collins:amazing alright thank you so much thank you

53:23Tolly Shoneye:thanks both love seeing you

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