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0:42Hugh Grant? Jamie Oliver was there. Jamie Oliver was there? Why was Jamie Oliver and George there? Do you think it's just like any interaction she's had with someone that's positive, they made it onto the guest list? It really looks like that. Well, I'm really gutted that we've never had a positive interaction. We also talk about the Katie Price documentary that everyone is going to be talking about. potentially someone like her is looking for a new reason to constantly like reinvent herself and probably nothing shocks us about her anymore because she's in this like new category i think the documentary is that nothing shocks her anymore either plus all three of us have suffered from burnout in some capacity so we give you all of our tips and tricks for mitigating it i don't think i realize that you could still be burnt out from doing something that you love i thought burnout only came when you were like just sick and tired of your life i love so much of my life but it it can get on top of you to the point where you sort of feel as if you're drowning slightly.

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1:49Welcome to the Sheer Likes podcast with me, Charlotte Collins. This week, I'm joined by Hermione Olivia and Billie Batia. Hi both. Hello. This is a nice combo. Isn't it? I got quite lucky today. Hi. A little crew. You know, how's everyone? Absolutely amazing. Good. Yeah, good. I can't believe it's still 31 degrees in London. I know, it's really British to just go straight in with the weather, but like, over it. That's because you've been jumping on and off a boat this weekend and now you don't have that option. I have, it's so true, it's so different. The Bakerloo line is not like a boat. Back to reality.

2:19Let's start with what we're wearing. Hermione, what are you wearing? I am wearing a Camilla and Mark blazer, very overdressed as usual, and totem jeans. I love totem jeans. Not overdressed, you just mean for the heat. Yeah, for the heat. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, cheese punchy. I am hot looking at you. I just don't know what else to wear in London. But you're an Australian. I know, I just feel uncomfortable wearing a dress around London. Do you do dresses? I know. I feel like I'm in the city. I'm always in a trouser. I get that. Shoes? YSL loafers. And where are these earrings from? Oh, these are Maria Frering.

2:45This new brand, and they're amazing. I love them. They have really incredible jewellery. Nice. Billie? I'm in Rick's eight times, Billie. You just have to. But this is basically the reason why I wanted to do this collection, because I was like because they were able to do this podcast so I'm going to like the dresses yeah no I was like guys I really need something to wear this summer yeah no it's actually so lovely and it's like the coolest it's like super thin cotton material it's keeping me so cool so pretty and we went big on the jewellery this year too so this is part of the Brixo Billy collection and I love it and I feel like it's fun and these earrings are too I didn't know it's all you I miss the jewellery memo that's great me too the jewellery bits are really you yeah I love those pieces really cool We did a really great yellow translucent beaded necklace too that's got a little silver fish on.

3:31Oh, pretty. A long silver tassel cord shell situation. Okay. And my little trusty Chanel dad sandals. Can I ask about you, we were in Cannes together, whatever that was, about eight years ago, and you were talking about what you still wear, like a vest and shorts under a dress. Yeah, that blows my mind. So I don't, like, I think it's this weird, like, comfort situation I've gotten to, but without flashing everyone's phone I just I like live in these like little vests I get that do you? because you feel too naked I can't have the clothes touch my skin I hate it that's what clothes do but like I don't know why I'm just so serious no see maybe I'd feel comfortable walking around in a dress if I took this hack from you yeah and I feel like it makes me feel like this is so TMI but if you get really sweaty it just kind of like catches it in the like yeah I get that in the middle bit so you still feel quite fresh in the dress.

4:27Yeah, fair. And in Cannes it was fresh. Oh my God. I heard it was extremely hot. It was so hot. It was so hot and that first day I did 36 ,000 steps. Yeah, it was like that. And everyone was complaining about the heat in London that week but like ultimately you go to your office and you sit in air con but we were outside in that heat from 8am until 12. It was a lot. It was a lot. Which explains the name. Which explains why we went a bit crazy. You guys are really my highlight. were we yeah oh my god i loved our dinner it was so it was really fun our dinner and our like four hour session before that you know when it's so sweaty that you are doing we pounded the rosie and it didn't touch the sides because you're just sweating i literally i could have driven a truck that night it was it was evaporating out of our skin as it was going in it's like oh one girl oh it's gone like you probably could just wring out our dresses and the rosie was coming out my best literally sexy wow I feel a bit at a loss as well I feel like my wardrobe is either like holiday or that so I'm kind of in your camp I'm wearing nothing I haven't worn a million times before these trousers are banana republic they're such a good shape you look very I love those trousers thank you so much well if the shoe fits I don't know where the shirt's from I think it's maybe Reese maybe Topshop shoes are Parenza Schula via the RealReal you always have the best shoes I said do you love a fun shoe it's your thing no thank you and that's about it glasses of jimmy fairly it's not i'm sorry to let down the side it's not very exciting no it's giving like i'm in charge and quite cheap thank you so much i think everybody's struggling a little bit in this heat in london in real seriousness it is quite hard to know what to wear every like we don't have wardrobes for every day of summer like this right like also there's only about i don't want to buy anything else for summer because there's about six weeks until it's autumn no stop i'm not really first i don't want to be that person but it's july the September 6th?

6:12No, no. September 6th is coming in hot.

6:20Let's start with things we love. What are you loving? Not talking about how summer's already done. About how summer's over. Hermione, what are you loving right now? I am loving these earrings that I spoke about. What else am I loving at the moment? You've got on here the London summer vibe. Oh, yes. Okay, as an Australian, something I love about living in London is how much the Brits just like lean in and get so excited about the summer vibe. You know, in Australia, we're used to it. So it's like a beautiful sunny day and you just kind of like get on with your business. Yeah. But here, just like seeing people in the park in their underwear sunbaking, it just like gives me so much joy.

6:49It used to be embarrassing, isn't it? No, it was so uncool. I love it. And like, you guys just lean in so hard. Everyone's so happy. Everyone's like cycling around with a huge smile on their face. And it just like, it brings joy. I wonder if like your children, for example, who will grow, like, you know, assuming that this is what summer's always gonna be like, they will grow up with this. So in 20 years, when they're our age, whatever, or 30 years, they won't be a novelty factor for them. So maybe they'll be cooler about it. No, they'll still be like that. Do you think? Yeah, I think it's like a British thing.

7:16It's like, yes, the sun is here. Yeah, because we've been in such deep, dark depression for most of you. Well, we're taught to make the most of it, right? When it happens, you don't know how long it's going to last. You want to just like cling on to it. But like, maybe this is just it now. Yeah, it makes me happy that you guys are just like... Well, I also think it's because everyone's drunk all the time. The vibes are so high. So I actually would really like to make the case and I don't know who to talk to about this. It's probably like a government issue that like, why do we do Christmas party?

7:41You know how like November to December, we all just like die. And I know we're going to talk about burnout later, but we talk about, we do these like crazy, like back to back parties. I think, why don't we do that now? Like I'm in the mood to party now, not in November. I want to stay at home in December and not like go out and get drunk. Cause it's so cold. It pulls us out of depression, having something to celebrate. Like the lights on Oxford Strait and things. Otherwise like we would all be in a dark classroom. To be clear, not trying to cancel Christmas, just the party side of things. You want to double down.

8:10Can we just party now? Everyone's planning now too, no? Yeah, that's true. That's true. I've been drunk for about a month. This is what I've never understood about Love Island. I'm like, who's going home and watching it on a summer's evening? Like, aren't people out? Yeah. It's just on quite consistently, isn't it? Yeah, but like, I'm like, now is not the time to give us like good entertainment in the evening. Whack it on in the winter. Yeah, true. But then there's something, well, you've never watched it, but when you try to then watch it in the winter, it just like, it doesn't hit the same because like the vibe is just it's summer and it's like so they need to do it in like a chalet yes it needs to be thematic yeah for the season um what's your favorite thing to do in london in the summer as an as an i was gonna call you an expat well i like wimbledon but i don't get to go as often as billy how many times is it that you'll have been to really monopolize hospitality tickets this year the reason you don't get to go is because billy took all my tickets guys get that brand hard on instagram and then in my talk i mean it's true um five times five The luckiest girl, truly the luckiest girl.

9:08So Billy's going for me, but British summertime. Yes. We are get virtual high five. Guess what we're going to do. You know this. I know. We are seeing Pitbull on Friday night. We're seeing Pitbull on Friday night. I'm so excited. The ball caps arrived. And I've got my suit ready. They're going for a world record, right? They're going, so a British summertime on Friday night. Pitbull, so it's become a thing that at Pitbull's concerts, people wear, you didn't know this last week. No, I didn't know this. This is a fun surprise for Hermione. that people wear ball caps to like dress up as Pitbull and they're going for a world record at BST on Friday night for the most amount of ball caps.

9:40I can't imagine that there's an existing record for this. Is it not his or his record already? Oh, it must be. It must be. It must be. I don't know who else makes this happen. Admittedly, I have been listening to Pitbull just to like Pitbull's out of scratch on Friday. You're really disparaging about Pitbull, but. For someone who I feel like is such a, is so fluent in things that are chic and full of taste. I just find that like, I find this incredibly conflicting that you love. You've got to keep people guessing in life. Correct. No, I actually think it makes you so much more wonderful. Good.

10:14I'm like, she's a person of the people. I'm so down to earth. I love people. I'm so excited. I think it is so fun. So I'm going back on Sunday night to see Lewis Capaldi. Oh, amazing. Which will be good. That'll be quite different vibes, I'm sure. I love him. Have you been before to BST? No, never. Oh my God. Especially when the weather's good. It's amazing. Have you been? Yeah, it's great. It's so great. I've seen, they get such a good lineup. Insane, yeah. Also, you're like done by half 10. Perfect. So nice. Yeah, it's gorgeous. What do you do with kids in the summer? What do you do with your kids here?

10:42Try and keep sane. Mm, yep. No, we actually have now built in our garden where the car usually goes, like a sand pit and like a whole water situation. Just have them outside as much as possible. Okay, nice. And then we just keep busy, like out and about the whole time. But you guys are really good at taking them to do cultural things. Yes. We're always like very busy, busy, busy at all the art galleries and exhibitions and stuff like that. That's one of the best parts about living in London, again, as an Australian. There's always so much on and there's so much happening, none of which I can think of in this moment, which is really deeply helpful for all the mothers out there.

11:13I feel like there's always like a summer fate. Yes. In those kind of like, like Richmond used to have them all the time and in Kew and I'm sure there's loads in like Nottingham places. I always think that's such a fun family day out. Yeah. And like when they set up in Queen's Park, I know every halftime they set up like a little fun fair and it's really cute. That one is really cute. It's cute, isn't it? Yeah, really cute. Okay, fun. You're also loving the new spa at the Mandrake. It launched last year. Oh yeah. Or like six months ago or something. I'm taking you both. It's amazing. It's absolutely amazing.

11:41Forget about the Mandrake. I know, it's so great. The food there is amazing as well. Yeah, it is, yeah. Have you been to air baths? I actually haven't. Okay, it's like air baths but smaller and more intimate. Okay. And it's all dark and it's like moody. And it's like you can wash the whole thing out kind of thing. It's all waterproof. But it's like a dark mud cave. And you go in and you steam. And then there's all these different showers. Like there's a rainforest shower and so on and so forth. And you put mud all over your body and like sit on these like heated mud baths. And it's absolutely amazing.

12:08It's like stepping into a holiday in Ibiza in central London. And then you walk out like a new person. That is not what my holiday in Ibiza was like. No, nothing like that. That's a different type of holiday in Ibiza. They didn't have that at Ushuaia. and that sounds so nice wait speaking of ibiza i've got a good one there's i went to this new place in london bridge called pyro oh yeah guys it's it blew my mind because you're walking down from london bridge it's about a 10 minute walk from the station but you go past borough truly street and i was thinking how on earth is there going to be a restaurant around here like it's it's really quiet you turn this corner and it's honestly like walking into a beach club they've got this unreal huge outdoor space it's really like beautifully done it's nice like like sage greens and like wooden and whatever, good music.

12:52And it's delicious Greek food. Nice. Good sleep is everything. That's why Oli's science back support is made with a blend of melatonin and L-theanine for both kiddos and grownups. So when your mind won't switch off, you've got something that can help. Erasing thoughts and restless nights won't stand a chance. Find Oli's sleep solutions for the whole family at oli.com. That's O-L-L-Y dot com. Like great vibes. Okay, fun. We did a trend report on Sheerlucks about a month ago about how Greek food is like massively trending in London because obviously Gaia opened last year. Nam-Mos was just open. By the way, we should say the night after we saw you in Cannes, we went to Nam-Mos for dinner and I had, honestly, the time of our lives.

13:36We got there at 7.30 and we're supposed to go to the Spotify event afterwards. And we left at midnight. We were like every song, you know, when you're like, we'll go after the next song. We'll go after the next song. Hodge bless her, didn't know a single one of these songs. She was a hype girl for three hours. Like no one is a better like girl's girl hype girl because the three of us were just standing on the table and she was just going.

13:59Anyway, so Greek food having a real moment. Who doesn't love like dips? I love Tera Maslata. So much. Tera Maslata is my absolute weakness. Billy, thanks for loving. Rick's OX Billy, all right. So sorry guys. We'll go back there again. Got a collection promo. And I think congrats. How did your launch go? The launch was so great. We missed you. I know, I was still in camp. I was actually at Namos, so I didn't review. Thank you. I feel so, I feel really proud of it. And it's gone so, so well. And people have just been incredibly kind about the collection. And we've sold out of like a lot of it already, which blows my mind.

14:35We sold out of the yellow dress on pre-order. Like it didn't, it didn't even go live to everybody. Polly was actually raving about it also on last week's podcast. It's just a goodie. Look, I run hot. So these are just dresses to help cool down your core Polly temperature. And yeah, I feel like I very rarely say, or I'm really proud of that. But when I get people messaging me just saying how good they feel in the dresses, I'm like, oh yeah, I'm really proud of myself for that. You should be. Well done. And also like, what a great brand to do it with. Yeah, they're the best. I just love like Henrietta and all of their epic.

15:05The whole team is amazing. Honestly, like I'm not a visually, actually maybe that's a disservice. I can be visually creative, but they're obviously like such talent that work on the team because I say things to them. I'm like, here's my mood board and I like this color and I love this print and can we combine this and maybe make this bigger and do this? And within minutes they're sat there pulling up these cards and they're like, like this? I'm like, how did you climb inside my brain and pull this out there? Just, it's such a treat to work with people that talented. Is there stuff that you'd wanted to do the first time around that you've now been able to do?

15:39Not necessarily, it's more we had learnings from what people loved the first time around but also just what wore really well. Like this is the Aprila dress that we did in black silk the first time which was a great like run around the city dress but it's it's quite heavy and so I wanted to do something that was so much lighter that you can kind of like float through the city and take on holiday and like if you want to you can probably sleep in this yeah it's giving nightgown in a good way so you're involved all the way down to the print yeah I love that everything yeah so beautiful thank you it's it's like it's so great to flex a really different muscle than what you do every day and it's just so interesting like there's there's so many people that there's a print designer and there's a pattern cutter and they're like one of many of these teams and you're like wow you know we look at something we buy in a store and we're like oh just a dress like there's so much that goes into that and that that's a good like it's a really good lesson to learn and also if you work in this industry to be able to have an insight into how product is actually made yeah is is a useful education right yeah totally because our like our brains don't know that or like we deal with the end result exactly interact with that so it is it's been a I love that for you.

16:46You've also got the M &S at Silverstone collection. Yeah, M &S. Wow, they are just killing it. All guns blazing right now. Yeah, a girl in the office was wearing, you know, this incredible Bottega-esque leather jacket the other day. And I was like, is that like vintage Bottega? And she was like, no, it's M &S. Still current. That woven stuff was so clever. Incredible. Yeah, and all their summer collections, like the little brodery dresses and two pieces. And it feels luxurious. I know, they're really good. Very well done. But it's the activations and the moments, It's fantastic. Yeah, so they did this campaign.

17:16So obviously it was Silverstone this weekend and they did a runway takeover with a F1X M &S collection, which was see now, buy now. And that like for a high street brand, that is just like leagues ahead, isn't it? Madness. But also like, I mean, poor models, that was hot to be wearing leather, like up and down the pit lanes. But visually it was like really arresting and it looked great. And I was like, oh yeah, I want that. I want that, I want that, I want that. And I don't feel like that happens that often even when you see a runway show like you can appreciate it as a collection that a designer has like created this kind of vision but it's so rare that you can you know add to basket at like 30 pounds 25 pounds 40 pounds like a very accessible price point and i feel like we've seen other high street brands like try to do that without a huge amount of success and ultimately it comes down to whether the product is good or not right yeah and mls i feel like everybody's back on everybody's conscious is like totally kind of have been some very good ones lately caramel which is a kids wear brand which is stunning and beautiful did a zara i almost bought every single piece it was so amazing and it's really high quality um did you see that stella did one with h &m yeah i mean so good and they're bringing out a collection with wardrobe nyc that i am one month i literally have it in my diary that is that is mega it's gonna be amazing just when h &m you think that they can't come up with another you're like okay they've done everyone they come out with somebody new who would be your dream h &m collab i mean it's got to be Chanel hasn't it do you think like a Matthew Blasi H yeah do you think that would or a liar would be amazing yeah I feel like that would work really well that would work because that's in the sort of wardrobe you need this kind of simple classic but then you know the legacies of that is about I mean that is about one that in it was like 2011 or 2012 and I remember being in the library at uni and being with friends who like couldn't have cared less and I was like just get in the queue.

19:05Just get in the queue. Just sit there and keep refreshing, okay? Leave it. Maybe a playful brand like a Loewe or something like that would work. Yeah, Loewe would be really colourful and weird vibes. Or like a Louise Trotter at Bottega. Okay, Billie, something else you are loving. Wow. I've not seen a jelly mask like that. I know, it's quite strange, isn't it? It's really cool. Innovative. Tell us, what is this? It's the Foreo FAQ 202 mask. And it is a red light LED therapy mask, but it really focuses on like hyperpigmentation if you have uneven skin tone sunspot basically look summer is booked and busy and this is basically what i'm using in the evening for a 10 minute reset because the thing is with these products and what faria really recommend is that you have to be consistent with it but hyperpigmentation is a massive thing for south asian skin i've like i've had a spot here a spot here a spot here and the second i touch it it just immediately marks but the led like really helps reduce the hyperpigmentation on your skin.

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20:30Because it's really bad pigmentation, actually. do you yeah and it gets worse when you have babies that's interesting like the flare-ups when you're pregnant are insane wow yeah it's part of the joyful experience yay something else to add to the list what fun um but people really are investing in beauty technology now more than ever are they like it's madness but i think you want to have something that's really trusted in foreo such a trusted brand like so many people have used those cleansers and this is just you know a continuation of like the innovation that they do and yeah i'm into it it's also definitely the chic is what i've seen it is right someone's gonna turn it into an accessory aren't they also lightweight i feel like i could travel this easily whereas the other ones are a bit clunky but you know like if you're taking that on an airplane yeah i'd feel way more comfortable putting that on on a flight than like those white ones yeah that's what i've got the big white one cumbersome so true okay well this is it if you'd like to find out more about faq 202 check out the link and our exclusive code below there's a code excellent

21:29okay time to talk celebrity this is duffy's making a comeback duffy of like warwick avenue fame can you sing a song for me yeah oh i would have gone with begging you for mercy oh yeah good good good good i feel like that bit of minds is the difference you know so you're like party go I'm like, here's a sad follow. Here's a depressing song about a breakup. Yes. There's also some fun in there as well. That is more the one that came to me as well. There's a lot about you guys, clearly. This, though, I'm fascinated about. The team that did Louis Theroux's Manosphere have produced this documentary about Katie Price.

22:06Josh did a little teaser pic this morning. Oh, I've heard lots. Is he part of it? No, but he's done a podcast with Katie Price. No way. Fascinated. I think this documentary is really it goes deep and dark I'm sure and it's quite exposing but I I want to watch it yeah me too how much do you know about her? not a huge amount but I look at her and I it does kind of break my heart yeah because I think we were talking last week on the podcast about Lena Dunham and Fame Sick and talking about kind of the responsibility of those of us in everybody the collective responsibility of the noughties and nineties and how we treated women and how we allowed the media to treat women and you know to an extent still much still so much of that goes on but i think that george and katie price is probably such a product of a society that treated women and women like her in a certain way that you you know so much of kind of the way she has ended up is the fault of everybody else and you know so many of the things that she's ridiculed for actually are a kind of inevitable result of just the that level of scrutiny and criticism and public exposure but also i think it's maybe addictive to constantly be in the news so i think people are constantly like potentially someone like her is looking for a new reason to constantly like reinvent herself and it's gotten more and more and more extreme and kind of like darker as it's gone along yeah and probably nothing shocks us about her anymore because she's in this like new category yes i think that's so true i think the documentary is that nothing shocks her anymore either because she's had such a tortured and tormented existence and i there is like a there there is a collective responsibility to how someone responds to that trauma when they haven't been cared or considered.

23:47But I do think there's an element of, she has circulated the news for decades. And what do you do without that? It is, yeah, you're so true in what you're saying that it's part of her being. But I also think that when you see the darkest sides of humanity, which I think you know outside of any traumatic events that have happened to her like the online bullying that she gets about her son Harvey who is severely disabled you know whatever the level of trolling that she's exposed to about so many different elements of her life but I feel like that in particular because that is just so dark it probably builds such a sense of sort of pessimism or cynicism or whatever in you that that you become hardened to sort of normality right and and I think that she's almost like a caricature of a person but perhaps you move away from the kind of normal emotional planes on which we all operate when you are exposed kind of day in day out for like 30 years to the darkest opinions anyway but she's she does seem quite jokes she's she's still out there she's still doing her thing honestly so fascinating to listen to josh's podcast with her as well oh she's she's invited on a night out i'm like wake up dead i wonder what night out with casey price is like i just want to wrap her up and give her a hug and take her home and that's why yeah i agree i agree i agree there is like there's a sense of wanting just to protect her, be kind to her.

25:08Yeah, I agree. I think it's a bit like the kind of, I talked about Monica Lewinsky last week and those people who had just, I don't know, were just these kind of burnt at the stake in the 90s and noughties who hopefully now can get a bit of redemption. I hope that what Lena Dunham's book did for her, this documentary will do for Katie Price. Anyway, other things, weddings, Taylor Swift. I mean, where do we start? The wedding of the year. I have thoughts. I'd love to know yours I have thoughts too okay go on I have a theory that she must have done a private ceremony elsewhere with her family because she just doesn't seem like the kind of person but maybe I misread her to do a whole stadium and over a thousand people the reason that I wonder about that is that she posted her engagement photos right like I agree that I thought she was quite private but actually that is quite an intimate thing to do to be like hey we're engaged it was actually like the ring you know it was like she was Joe Bloggs off the street with her engagement which makes me feel like maybe there's a bit more and she is a performer However, it did look like there was a very vast celebrity crew that were brought in.

26:11We need to talk about the random guest list. Hugh Grant? Hugh Grant. What the hell? Jamie Oliver was there. Jamie Oliver? Why was Jamie Oliver and Jules there? Do you think it's just like any interaction she's had with someone that's positive, they made it onto the guest list? It really looks like that. Well, I'm really gutted that we've never had a positive interaction. Honestly, I think we were on the C list. I don't think we were that far off, given the celebrities that were there. it was crazy crazy i'm sorry it has to have been the celebrity version of her wedding come on you think you think they also did a private version i mean she has so much money yeah she could have done anything anywhere yeah and you look at like brad pitt and angelina they managed to get married in private so it is so like surely you can do it even if you're the most famous person on earth oh yeah you can tom holland and zendaya recently got married in total private even even dira lepas like obviously the there was some kind of content from the day before but the actual wedding we all waited and waited we didn't see anything of the dress we saw when she revealed the photos so yeah i'm with you my issue with this wedding was people having no vision and no imagination for msg and like what you could do people are like it's so ugly i'm like do you think they allowed it to be ugly like yeah that much money with all the money she's a billionaire they have seen the snake pig yeah but i think it's ai do you think because i've seen i've seen several versions of her dress well i think the dress is ai but it looks like there was someone who posted from within oh it's basically like they built kind of like a church thing with like all these vines coming off it gorgeous it looks like with like it is like stadium seating around though oh like as in they've brought in beautiful stadium seating but it is like there were so many guests there oh for the ceremony itself you mean yeah okay i mean i guess you would have to use that i just think like think of the ambani wedding right which was this huge way in indian wedding was that last year or the year before and they did it in like a warehouse space and they basically He created a, watch the Kardashian episode where they go there.

27:59It's really informative. But it's like a world. They created this like whole city within a warehouse. Like I think it's quite clever. Like she lives in New York. She's got an apartment there. It's in the, you know, you're not inconvenienced. Everybody wangs on about destination weddings and how inconvenient they are for guests. And then people get annoyed in Palermo because of the infiltration of all these wealthy people in Venice because of, you know, the same for the Bezos wedding. It's like, well, you know, you're kind of damned if you do and damned if you don't as a celebrity. At least you kept it local and used what is ultimately a really good blank canvas, blank space.

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29:07It'll be very feminine, I think. It just seems quite girly. Yeah, I see her as a bit of a Valentino bride. Well, it was Dior. Oh. So. Oh, you don't see her Valentino. So you're wrong. I've not seen anything about the dress. They've announced that it was Dior. I think it'll be princessy. Yeah. yeah very princessy like vintage but look she wants everyone to be part of her love story so I really get that like she wanted the big wedding but I think you're right I think there must have been a smaller family situation because he's such a family man and so is she like family's really important to both of them I wonder whether it was like a Nashville tiny little yeah maybe imagine if imagine if this whole thing was fake and it was just like a concert and they were all these celebrities like yeah yeah yeah we went to the wedding and actually it was just Well, someone said, imagine if it was a music video.