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1:51If only they hadn't reacted like that. Because their spouses are not sitting at home watching live streams of the Coldplay jumbotron. We discussed favourite fashion finds, including some amazing sheer shirting. I bought a really nice sheer Chloe-esque blouse from Zara, which is like fairly cool. The books that you need to have on your agenda for the next couple of months, including Elizabeth Day's brilliant new novel, One of Us. A companion piece to an earlier novel I wrote called The Party, which came out in 2017. Can I just say? Yes, Billy. I loved it so much. And we answer your dilemmas. I mean, I also am a reformed people pleaser and I still struggle with it.

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2:40Welcome to the Sheerlux podcast. I'm your host, Billie Bartier, and today I'm joined by Hodge and best-selling author and podcast host of How to Fail Elizabeth Day. Yay! We're diving into everything new and noteworthy this week from what's trending on sheer lux to celebrity moments, fashion finds, your dilemmas, and more. This week we have a competition with Beauty Effect. You can win the luxe collection, which includes a selection of bestsellers and is worth£589. To enter, please comment below what your favourite part of the podcast is and why. We'll then choose a lucky winner and announce it in the next week's podcast.

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3:31Let's dig into new and noteworthy. Okay, my first up is the reason I look a bit dusty this morning because this is Monday morning and this will go on Thursday so be kind to me in the comments because it took a lot to get out of bed this morning but make it on we just went on a weekend away for James's and another friend of ours birthdays to can and we went to this infamous lunch spot called Laguerite have you guys heard of it yes oh my god it is you've got to go it's a bucket list ticker once in your life it is so So, you know, you go to places and they really want you to have a good time. They really encouraged us to like dance on tables and just have the best time.

4:16And what was the food like? It's sort of the same type of food you get in all of those restaurants. You know, you get like the pasta, like yummy starters. And then we just share pasta and steak and a big fish. There was 17 of us. Oh, wow. So there's a lot. What's the location? Is it like beachfront vibe? Yeah, so you fly to Nice and then it's an hour to Cannes. So we went for two nights. So we stayed in like a really reasonable hotel. I can't remember the name, Phil, but put it in the links below. We did dinner at LPM on the Friday night, which is really fun. It's in like this amazing old building.

4:47And we sat outside on the like veranda for dinner. And then we went upstairs because Zuma has a restaurant on the rooftop there. so we went upstairs and just hang out on the terrace at Zuma which was so fun lots of margueritas were consumed it's great people watching yeah it's really extra I've only been to Cannes once with a film festival yeah it was it kind of blew my mind because you can sort of see how the rest of it looks like the rest of the year like a bit like oldie kind of everything it's a bit a tiny bit crumbling yeah and then you just get this parade of like couture yeah this is madness and It's so chic.

5:25It's a bit sort of like Alain Melrose Place. You're walking down the boulevard and there's palm trees and then there's Dior Chanel, these amazing shots. Yeah, Celine, super cars. And these incredible cars. I mean, it's so bougie. On the Saturday, we went to this spot. So there's two sittings. And my top tip is you need to get the 3 p.m. sitting because otherwise they throw you off the table. But if you have the 3 p.m. sitting, then you're there until like 8. And why are you there tonight? We were there until 8. but you get a tender across so it's on an island or Saint Marguerite so the restaurant organises like shuttle tenders so you go back and forth it's like 10 minutes but it's just quite extra to turn up to a restaurant on boats yeah definitely it sets the tone doesn't it sets the tone everyone was really up for just a really good fun day so we just we really like made the most of it what did you do at 8pm after you're sitting?

6:20because by that stage I'm imagining there's been a bit of day drinking and you're just feeling like the long day drinking yes I need to go home and have a bath yes shower so we went back to the hotel had a quick shower and then we just went and found like a bar on the waterfront but we were going to try and get into Zuma but we were like I don't think they're going to want us in there like we don't look that fresh but and it's only an hour and a half flight so it's really doable for a weekend sounds so fun yeah it was really fun and my other thing is I've just read a really good book by Florence Knapp called The Names.

6:54You heard of it? I've heard lots of good stuff about that. It's so good. It's her debut. And it's about a woman called Cora who has a child and she's on her way to the government office to register the name. And she has three names that she's considering. She's in an abusive marriage. So there's the name that her husband wants, the name that her daughter wants, her first child, and the name that she wants. So it's sort of like a sliding doors they take the three names and then you follow the life of what the boy would be if that was his name it's just so well written it's good I cried I laughed it's like a really lovely summer read like good for your soul I'd really recommend that yeah it's really really good amazing how what your name is has such an impact yeah well we no one calls you by your name no no no one calls me Sarah apart from my mum.

7:49I totally agree I also have recently got into doing chat GPT numerology readings. Oh my god. With your birth date and your birth name. Wow. And it is extraordinarily accurate. No way. I promise you I've done it for so many people I know all of my family members my husband the only year that it hasn't worked for and I don't know whether it's something about this year is 1946 so the one it did for my dad and for my therapist because I spoke to her about it she was like oh i'm really interested yeah and they're both born in 1946 and they're not quite right but everyone else has been spot on and what is it like describing their personality yeah if you use a specific prompt which i can give you afterwards it describes your soul urge your life number which is sort of how you present in the world and your um strengths and your potential challenges love that is it kind of like a human design yes I found it even better than human design actually yeah I want to do this right now I know can we pause baby yeah it's amazing it blew my mind and then I did my husband because generally you think oh but they'll probably just say generic things that could apply to anyone yeah did my husband it was completely different and so spot on and then it was like this is why you're complimentary he's a builder that's one of it that's his master number is for the builder and mine is I think one or zero which is a spiritual spiritual number and uh it's the creator yeah and so I can have a vision of something and he knows how to build it so that's why it's a really good partnership yeah amongst other reasons oh my god obsessed okay we need to do that okay yeah we need the prompt can we put the prompt in the comments after this or in there yes we absolutely can okay fab because everyone's gonna want to do this right i'm itching to do it right now anyway this book is so good and it really makes you think about what you name your children and like how important that is i was at a family thing this weekend and i was sat next to she's my let's just call her a cousin there was loads of babies around the table and she was like do you got kids names i was like oh i've got one and i've had it for probably like 15 years she's like come on then say it and i said it and she said that's the exact same one I wrote down when I was 10.

10:09How mad is that? Now it's going to be a fight to the top. Yeah, I'm older than you, I get first dibs. Oh my God. And it was Aurora, but I would always call her Rory. Yeah, I love that. That was so nice. I thought I was so nice. 100%, that's what I wrote down. I was like, no, where? Right down to the Rory of it. Oh my God. Yeah. Oh my God. Do you think she just said it though? Because she was like, I like that name. It's like when people say, I love your top. It's in my basket. You know, and you're like, okay, is it? Is it in your basket? Her face like flinched as I said it. And that's when I was like, oh, wow, you actually, that was your name.

10:43She was like, but I think it's probably a lot of people that grew up in the Gilmore Girls era. And probably got that name in there. Although I didn't actually watch that. Again, I'm too old for Gilmore Girls. No, I didn't. I'm too old for the second time round and I'd missed it the first time round. Yeah, same. Yeah, same. What is your new and noteworthy? My new and noteworthy are things that I have watched. So I've just got into the Apple series, Your Friends and Neighbors. Oh, yeah. John Hamm. John Hamm. Now, I was resistant to it because I tend to steer clear of scripted drama in favor of a diet of reality TV.

11:15Just an endless diet. That's my favorite thing about you. Thank you. It's incredibly nourishing. It's so nourishing. It's good for us all. Yeah. And I just don't have a lot of time left over to devote to scripted drama. But I have completed reality TV so far. I've got one episode of Love Island that I still have to catch up on. Okay. And luckily, Real Housewives keeps dropping every week. But I had a quiet patch a few weekends ago. And so I started watching Your Friends and Neighbours. And it was one of those ones. My husband and I have vastly different TV tastes. And I thought this might just be the central point of our Venn diagram.

11:48So we watched the first episode together. And blow me down, I really enjoyed it. Yeah, it's good. I also went to the cinema on Friday with my best male friend, Ross, who was in charge of choosing the film that we watched. and he chose 28 years later. Oh my God. Which is not a fun, touchy-feely Friday night movie. And also the cinema that we went to had no air con and so it was incredibly hot. So it just added to the post-apocalyptic feel. But I have to say, again, there's a recurring theme here. Haven't seen either of the previous two movies because too busy watching Housewives. But I found it a very well-made movie.

12:29And yes, it's been quite divisive because it is quite horrifying. and Danny Boyle as a director does not pull his punches in terms of what he expects us to digest as an audience but I found it very well made and in the moments where it wasn't sort of terrifying and awful the shots that Danny Boyle puts in and the way that he films are so unique and compelling the acting was very good so Jodie Comer is just always a joy to watch. She's insane. She's brilliant. yeah so what is it so zombies again taking over yes but there's this island community off the mainland where they're all safe but there's a causeway that appears at low tide and if they want to go onto the mainland they take that causeway and so it starts off with the character played by erin taylor johnson taking his son who's turned 12 onto the mainland to learn how to hunt and they go with a bow and arrow and they hunt zombies.

13:25And then the story unspools because the little boy's mother, played by Jodie Comer, is ill and he wants to find her medical care and they no longer have doctors on the island. So he goes in search for this mythical former GP, played by Ralph Fiennes, who again, I just named him. It's an incredible cast. That bigger cast, yeah. And Ralph Fiennes obviously has always been brilliant. but he's just entered like a turbocharged era of his professional career I think he's so brilliant and he really redeems the film from being too traumatic there's like a heart there by the end of it okay so yes those are my two new and noteworthy that kind of makes me want to watch it my TV watching has been a lot less highbrow The Summer I Turned Pretty came back have we ever watched this?

14:17I watched the first season yeah okay I'm obsessed I need to watch it. It's so good. But I feel like there is such an appeal to millennial women in this series, even though it's kind of garnered towards a Gen Z crowd. Like you and Lou are obsessed. Me and Lou are obsessed. They've only released the first two episodes last week. And then every Tuesday following, there'll be a new episode. And the first two were actually quite underwhelming. And that was quite, quite awful. But I don't know. There's just this like, I think about it all week that I'm like, oh my God, I can't wait to watch. I used to be like that about Friends at uni.

14:46when a friend was on last week on a Thursday and we'd all stay in and then go out afterwards. And as great as binging series is, it's quite nice to like not have it all in a rush. It is. And like pull it out a little bit. But anyway, if you haven't watched Samurai Temporary, it is very good. I feel it's like Dawson's Creek. Yeah. Oh my gosh, I love Dawson's Creek. Like it's set like on the beach and everyone's pretty and easy to watch. It's very easy to watch. And like coming of age. Yeah. I feel that's what... The music's very good. It's very like, it's very considered for what it is. Like there's a, there was like a soft, romantic fireplace scene and they play the exact same music that's in Call Me By Your Name when there's a soft romantic fireplace scene.

15:29Like it really does appeal to a millennial. Yeah. Yes. Okay. Which brother are you rooting for? I am Team Conrad. Okay. Who's the older brooding. Oh yeah, me too. That's my version of Housewives. Yes. Like easy switch. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I wouldn't say that about Housewives. is an anthropological exercise in empathetic engagement with the human race. But yeah, sure. For you, you can switch off. I do switch off. I've never watched any Housewives. No, never have I. It's weird because I love reality TV. You're in the right place. I can just give you a primer. Okay, fine. If you ever want to start, you should start with the Real Housewives of New York.

16:05Okay. The OG Roni is, to my mind, the best TV program that exists. And then Atlanta is also excellent. I have heard good things about Atlanta. Because it's so extra. Yes, it's also just so genuine to begin with because those are two really OG franchises. So they start before Housewives became the cultural beer moth that now is. So if you start with more modern seasons like Salt Lake City or Potomac, both of which are brilliant, particularly Salt Lake City, but every single cast member is much more aware of what Housewives is. Yeah. It's like Love Island. Exactly. It's the arc of reality TV, I often think.

16:45completely that sort of episode season three is the kind of is the mainstream yes and then any season after that it slightly loses completely yeah it's too overproducing like it's never been as good as olivia atwood i agree that was season three yeah that was the best season i have to say that i do think love island is having quite a good season i haven't watched it if you watched it the girls and the office are obsessed but i really struggle with love island i'm just like be more ratchet like they all just got to just got too contrived yeah they're not allowed to drink you can only have two drinks you can't yeah remember when it was like can we have a chat by the fire pit and everyone would just tap six i know i know each other and then shag someone else the next night like bring that back they are actually doing more shagging this season though yeah and no one's closed off it did get really yeah imagine shagging on national tv i had a drink this weekend with a friend of mine he used to be a producer on bbc3's sex son and suspicious parents i love that program so much my french teacher went on she was a suspicious parent it was like a forerunner to love island in a way it was about this these teenagers who would be sent like falaraqui yeah it's like your 18 year old like group trip yes yeah and but their parents without their knowing would have a live stream to everything they were doing oh my god and so the program followed both and I was like wow that was that was old school reality tv you wouldn't get away with that so savage and then they would fly the parents out and then they would just like drop the parents on the strip so when the kids came out of the bar they were just like there naked doing terrible things but no one wants to see their child no one so that ignited your love of reality tv no actually no I'm not that bad no big brother ignited my love of reality tv the first ever season which was a moment of national conversation it was craig the builder and he donated his money to down syndrome charity or to for the care of his i think it was his younger sister and that was the season of nasty nick yeah where the nastiest thing we could imagine a reality tv contestant doing was writing down the names of people he wanted to nominate and trying to get people on his side to nominate them with him that was the it was times have moved on Honestly, my questions were asked in Parliament and now it just seems so painful.

19:02That is nothing.

19:08Okay, our next section is fashion fine. So we are going to talk all things, what's in your basket, what are you wearing, what are you loving? We just went on this weekend away and I wanted something new to wear, but I couldn't find anything. And I did a massive ASOS order and nothing looked good. And I was like, fuck. Anyway, I popped to Battersea Power Station and went to Reformation. Reformation is a goodie I forget about that I just think their dresses are so sexy so I got this, it's like a white thick jersey dress but like tight and then goes out at the knee it made me feel a bit like I was Eva Mendes in Hitch oh my gosh that is such a great reference point I spend so much of my life wanting to look like that that's the first dress I've ever tried on I was like I could be, well I mean I couldn't be Eva Mendes But I was like, this is her vibe in Hitch.

19:56Because that's my favorite outfit in the film. Hitch, she looks amazing. And then when I was in there, we're going to Bali for our holiday this year. And I found a really cute little yellow, like mustardy yellow linen mini dress. Which is just really simple, but flattering. Like a round neck. And then just tight and then flares out. So you can eat. I bought a really nice sheer Chloe-esque blouse from Zara, which is like 30 quid. I love it. Yeah, so nice. But like you'd wear a bra under it, but it's sheer, but there's enough like layering over the boob bit that... You know, it feels too naked. Yeah.

20:37Good shopping. I know, thanks, babe. Was that the Zara in Bassi Power Station? No, that was online. Okay. Yeah. I totally agree with you about sheer because I, in my recent finds... Yeah, definitely. I've always struggled because I don't like to feel naked. Yes. Because I do feel too old for that. Yeah, me too. And the Frankie shop did an amazing sheer shirt that I bought, which is like a dark navy. Yeah. And it's got pockets over the boob area so that you don't feel like you're just flailing around. Yeah. And I love the color of it because sometimes I find navy can be on me too deadening. but because of the sheer there's this slight glimmer to it that really works so I love that shirt I love the Frankie shop generally like me too one of the things I'm struggling with and maybe I need to trawl the Frankie shop sale is trousers that aren't jeans and aren't black that I want to wear on a day-to-day basis I mean I love a white chino where do you get them from Yate do a really good white chino oh this is so helpful yeah I'm gonna go and buy some chinos um Yeah, they're really good.

21:48But go small because this size is quite oversized. Okay, thank you. Having said that, I am a jeans fanatic. And I think at the moment, the best denim you can get at the best price point is Align. I love Align anyway. And I was lucky enough to do a collaboration with them earlier this year. But I'm not just saying this because I have a great relationship with them. But their denim capsule at the moment has jeans for everyone. And the one that I particularly like, they are slightly flared bootcut jeans. And you know, sometimes, like I also love a flared jean, but you need to wear them with a certain kind of boot.

22:29Exactly. Whereas these aren't too flared, but they're flared just enough to be super flattering. Yeah. And to balance out, if as I am, you have like, you're more hippie, it just like balances that out. Yeah. And they're in a really nice, I've got them in a kind of indigo denim. Yeah. So I really like them. I've got a few Align jeans. They're really good shapes. The barrel jeans are really good shapes. And didn't they do the studded one? They did. That went crazy on Christmas. It was like slightly washed black denim, wasn't it? Yeah. With studs. But yeah, they do great dresses. Great denim dresses too.

23:01They do. I love Align. I love a denim dress. And really good blazers. Yeah. Yes. It's a great brand. And they're always inventive with their shapes. And it always feels like they really know who their customer is. they really know the real women who will buy their clothes. And I appreciate that. The final thing I would say, I was mentioning to you two before we started recording, I am lucky enough to have got Oasis tickets this year. What are you going to wear? This is the thing, Hodge. I'm so glad you asked. I know. When are you going? Who's going first? I'm going on the 30th. Of August. No, of July.

23:33Oh, you're going really soon. Am I going first? No, I'm going on the 26th. I'm going on the 2nd of August. Okay. I'm excited for all of us. So, Hodge, you've got to fly the flag. I feel people are wearing denim and then like band t-shirts. I've decided to go back to what I wore in the 90s. And so I, well, I have ordered, this is how sad I am. I've ordered official Oasis merch online. I rate that though. I know, me too. Thank you. There is a really great t-shirt that is a collab with Adidas. Yeah. And it's red and pale blue. And I love that colorway anyway. Yeah, so nice. So I bought that. And then I bought a white denim mini skirt in the Net-A-Porter sale from Wardrobe NYC.

24:17Lush. Can't go wrong. And then I've got a white bucket hat from Adidas that I might wear. Yeah, fit. And then I'm not sure about the shoes yet. Yeah, what are you thinking? Are you in the mosh pit or are you in, if you've got to see? We're in Club Wembley, which is a special ticket where you get to, there's lots of bars and stuff. And you get to, Justin and I, my husband and I did it for Taylor Swift. And it was a very nice experience. we got there early we shared a bottle of champagne so we're going we're going to do that which we weren't doing in the 90s we're in the mosh pit I'm slightly nervous oh no that'll be brilliant yeah but I think if you're a real fan you want that at a concert like you want to be in the thick of it with everyone who's like obsessed die hard I am so excited I've never been so excited about going to a concert ever I can't wait I think it's going to be so like thrilling and so moving it's actually so moving I mean I know that there's cold hard cash at stake yeah but there's some in this time of division when the whole world seems so chaotic and awful and depressing to see those two brothers holding hands walking out on stage together nature is healing yeah but i don't want to burst your bubble but apparently they come off stage and just go completely separate yeah they know their boundaries now that's fine as long as they're on stage together when i'm now on the second of august please stay together until them yeah where were we fashion box sorry yeah what's what about you i have also been on the frankie shop trawling because i'm going to go back to ibiza at the end of august and i just want like a i want a really crisp white long shirt like a poplin yes i will inevitably ruin it within five minutes but like for those first five minutes i'll feel great and the frankie shop have got this amazing one that's like floor sweeping thigh high split super oversized big collar big big sleeves big everything love that and then there's this gorgeous Australian brand Dinosaur Designs yeah I love their bangles their bangles are amazing so good not inexpensive but worth it yeah the piece I want is obviously really expensive but they've just launched this new collection and it's like this it sounds it sounds strange it looks like bones but kind of like wish bones in this sort of chrome granite-y chokery necklace and it just looks really statement really cool and yes Yes, you can identify that they are bones, but in a chic fashion.

26:37Nice. Do you remember when we first met in person, which was the British Fashion Awards last year? Yeah. The bangles I was wearing, they were dinosaur. Were they? Yes. You looked amazing. You looked amazing. I love that. You remember each other's outfit. It was our meet cute. You were in this gorgeous floor length Bernadette dress. And you were in a black one shoulder dress. Yeah. Guys. Sorry, I feel like I'm interrupting. We're silver bangles.

27:05I feel like we could talk fashion finds and music for the rest of this episode, but let's move on to Mass at Mist. Should we start with you? Well, I appreciate that I would say this, wouldn't I? But I have a new novel out on the 25th of September called One of Us and pre-orders really, really, really, really help. And so I would love the chance to talk to your amazing listeners about One of Us. which is a companion piece to an earlier novel I wrote called The Party which came out in 2017. Can I just say? Yes, Billy. I loved it so much. I read that when I was at Elle and Naughty Jess, she recommended it to me.

27:45And I actually just told my sister this weekend, I gave her my old copy that's been in my room for years and years. Anyway, it's fantastic. And if you haven't read The Party, read The Party. Oh, Billy, thank you. Well, The Party was partly inspired by the movie of The Talented Mr. Ripley, which is one of my favourite movies of all time. and I know it's based on a book that I hadn't read at the time but now I have read and it was that idea of kind of outsidership and it was about a scholarship boy who became fixated on his aristocratic best friend at boarding school. Now one of us picks up seven years later and it's still the same characters you don't need to have read The Party beforehand but we open with Martin Gilmore seven years later still feeling like a bit of an outsider and he has been nursing a grudge against his former best friend, the aristocratic Ben Fitzmaurice, for almost a decade because of something that happened when they were students.

28:39And Ben Fitzmaurice is now in the upper echelons of the Tory party, and he's tipped as the future prime minister. And for various reasons, Martin gets ushered back into the fold, and it's about how he seeks his revenge and how it plays out. And then alongside those two, there's a cast of other characters. There's Ben's wife, Serena, who is going through the menopause, going through an identity crisis. It was a character I loved writing because I was going through perimenopause myself. And I wanted to reflect the truth of that, as it is for so many women on the page. Then there's their eldest daughter, Cosima, who is an eco-activist, although her parents don't know that.

29:19And then there's a failed Tory MP called Richard Take, who is desperately ambitious and desperately wants to get back on the front benches. And all of their stories intertwine. and you read to find out what happens. And essentially it's a book about why we keep falling in love with the people who damage us, why we keep electing them too. It's also about belonging and identity and class. And if you loved things like Succession or Industry or Saltburn or The Town to Mr. Ripley, I believe that you will also love this book. And I hope it's funny too. It will be funny. Oh, the party was funny. I read The Party.

29:58and did they go to uni? they did they went to school at uni together I can't believe you wrote that oh so cute didn't you? I love that oh thank you I got a forward copy so I've been saving it to read on my holiday and I'm so excited now oh I love like a long winding story set over like years me too because you really get to know the characters and the different like relationships that play out yeah and I also love multi-voice narratives I love reading that and I also love watching it. So like the movies of Robert Altman, they're always so good because they intersperse all of these stories and you don't know why they're connected.

30:36But when you keep on watching, you find out why. So that's part of the psychological driver of this novel is that you want to see how all of these stories interconnect. Oh, and there's a whole bit set in Bali. I know you're both about to go there. Oh, well, I need to pre-order so I can take it with me to Bali. Yes, exactly. There's a whole bit set in Canggu. oh I'm pumped I'm gonna read that sounds fantastic yeah love that thank you I'm a big fan of those intertwining narratives too I just feel like you you're always you're rooting for somebody even if it isn't the person you think you should yeah yes so true there's like you know this character's lingering this character's lingering and I just find it fascinating it's such a joy and a privilege getting to write books and the podcast that I do how to fail it's sort of directly linked because I get to interview people about what it is to be human and so many different people from so many different backgrounds and ultimately one of us is also about failure and how we manage it and how we either live in denial of it and then that shapes us or we learn from it and then that shapes us and so all of the characters have different approaches is to failure and and it's all connected all the work that I do ultimately is about being interested in human nature or nosy nosy is another way of using it you must have so many like different like personality types in your head you like you can read people's mo and you're like okay got you I mean yes I mean I guess we all have it don't we because of the nature of what we do yeah we do get to ask questions of people and it's incredible because you can only learn through asking those questions and through connecting and sort of trying to understand what it is to walk a mile in another person's shoes and sometimes you can see yourself in other people's and their behaviors and you're like okay now I get why I do that exactly it's really interesting yeah when I went away to shoot the rixxer campaign one of the models was aries and she said to me I'm also aries and she was like well obviously you talk to your Aries friends about that and I was like I actually don't really have it like that many close close Aries friends she was like you need that because that is what makes you understand you and I find it so I find it so fascinating since because we'll like message about something or I'll talk to another person who's Aries and I'm like I thought I was just being a maniac but maybe we are together and that sort of validates that experience yeah but you wouldn't know that unless you ask the questions and I think it's what I find so interesting is yes we're all very similar in that we are very communicative and we're interested and we like people but then when you meet someone who doesn't ask questions I'm like what goes through your head I know I know and I went through a whole patch of dating in my late 30s when that was the case because I was so practiced at the art of small talk that eventually gets deeper and because I'm genuinely interested I would have so many dates and they would turn to me halfway through and they'd be like I feel like I'm being interviewed and I was like well mate feel free to ask a question yeah yeah internal monologue didn't actually say that i really notice when people ask questions back hodge what what is on your method miss lou and i filmed a fashion segment last week with nadia phillips who's a stylist who has got the most insane so i've never felt more jealous of a wardrobe and we went to her apartment and we filmed she's just got really good evening style like i always took the same formulas and good to mix it up anyway she does like eight dresses that she wears in the evening and for summer dressing and it's gorgeous banging it's out it's out tuesday so by the time this pod it'll already be out but very inspirational yeah it's excellent prime delivery is fast how fast are we talking we're talking puzzle toys and look pad delivered so fast you can get this puppy under control fast we're talking chew toys at your door without really waiting fast p-pads clothing mat and peg hammer fast and fast and there's training t-r-e-a-t-s faster than you can say sit fast.