Going Rogue 

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1:03We'll tell you what Maxx and super heavy actually means. And did a Flock camera wrongfully land a woman behind bars? The claim, her car was at the scene of a fatal car crash. This morning, we're hearing from Lindsay Isaacs and Flock's response. Welcome to our viewers in the United States and around the world. I'm Pamela Brown. Wolf Blitzer is off today, and you're in the Situation Room.

1:35This is CNN breaking news. Happening now, breaking news. OpenAI says it is pausing the training again for its latest artificial intelligence models as more and more AI agents are going rogue. Here's what President Trump had to say yesterday when asked about the growing number of incidents. There's a new report out that shows that Anthropic and OpenAI have had tens of thousands of problematic incidents. Is there any part of you that worries at all about AI going rogue? Well, I don't worry about it. This new reporting first on the Situation Room, we are closely following the story from the White House with CNN's Elena Treen.

2:17But let's first go to CNN AI correspondent Hadass Gold. Hadass, how big of a move is this for OpenAI? Give us some context around it. Yeah, so Pamela, this is the second time in three months that OpenAI is pausing training of its latest models because of security incidents. Of course, the first time being after that infamous hugging face incident where OpenAI agents, while they were being trained and tested to cheat on a cybersecurity exam, they broke out of their testing environment and hacked into a completely different company systems. And now we're learning of more incidents over the past few months as OpenAI is now probing its own history and trying to find out what happened.

2:53We've learned just recently over the last few days that some of its agents even tried to gain access to U.S. government systems. But I think that one of the most notable incidents that we're hearing over the weekend is OpenAI revealing that even after they hardened their security protocols following the Hugging Face hack, they did find that one of their agents once again escaped one of its testing environments and managed to find a way to gain access to the open Internet. So this is notable again because after Hugging Face happened, they said that they went through, they hardened their sandboxes, tried to make it more secure.

3:26Now they are saying that they are pausing their training. Once again, I'll read you the statement from OpenAI. They say people want to know AI is being developed safely and that starts with companies like ours do ourselves. On Friday, we announced we've paused training on our most capable models and we'll resume training then only when we are confident that we have additional safeguards and alignments and improvements in place, which we are working on now. This is not the first time we have hit pause to take such measures, nor do we expect it to be the last as AI capabilities continue to advance.

3:54Meanwhile, at the same time this is all happening, NVIDIA, which is that big AI chip maker, announced that it has a new software program that it says is essentially a browser for agents, a way to keep these agents safe, contained, being able to be monitored while they're being trained and tested. NVIDIA is saying that if OpenAI had used their platform, this is what they're claiming, then the hugging face hack would not have happened because their testing environment would have been contained, quarantined, and would have had proper monitoring to keep that from happening. Pam. All right. Hadass Gold, thank you for bringing us the latest.

4:26We really appreciate it. And new this morning, we're learning more about President Trump hosting a one-on-one dinner last night with Anthropics CEO Dario Amadei, has been a leading voice in AI among the tech giants, warning that AI is developing dangerously fast and needs regulation. CNN's Elena Trin is at the White House for us. So Elena, what can you tell us about this dinner and a larger meeting of AI executives tomorrow? Yeah, look, this was a pivotal moment, I'd argue, this dinner last night between the Anthropic CEO and the president and could speak of potentially thawing relationships between this administration and Anthropic.

5:03I'd remind you that there have been longstanding tensions between Anthropic specifically and this administration while the president has touted wanting the future of AI to really be housed here in the United States. Anthropic has had a lot of public statements about concerns over the safety of AI models. And I'd note as well that Dario Amodi had just said a couple weeks ago that he believed that they needed to slow down the way that AI was quickly progressing to make sure that safety guard rules were in place. And so the two of them having dinner last night could be a potential turning point in this relationship.

5:42I should note, though, that the president continues to argue as recently as yesterday, Pamela, that he believes that the number one goal when it comes to artificial intelligence is about outpacing China. even as a lot of these tech CEOs and artificial intelligence leaders are sounding the alarm about some of the risks that could come with it. I want you to listen to what the president said yesterday. We're about a year, maybe a year and a half up on China. There is nobody in third place. I mean, it's just us and China. We're leading by quite a bit. I spoke a little bit about it with President Xi, not too much.

6:16It wasn't a topic of conversation because I think if you, as they say, open it up to China, you give up the lead. So that's clear where his position is. But look, there is going to be a broader meeting at the White House tomorrow, Pamela, with the president, House Speaker Mike Johnson, who has been very vocal in wanting to get all these AI leaders in the room with the president, and then a number of different executives. We're not sure of the exact list yet, but I can tell you last week we know that several CEOs of some of these companies, people like Google's Sundar Pichai, Mark Zuckerberg of Meta, NVIDIA's Jensen Huang, Sam Altman of OpenAI, all of them were attending that state dinner with China last week.

6:58There's also going to be a broader event tomorrow that the White House is hosting about a new government website on AI. We're going to see some of these tech leaders as well. So a lot going on in this space and a lot more to learn about what they discuss behind closed doors. Yeah, we'll keep tracking it. Elena Train, thank you so much. And happening now, an investigation is underway in England where an alleged terror plot may have just been disrupted. Counterterrorism police arrested five men early yesterday after catching them with explosives right outside a key air base. That base in Fairford is the very airfield where U.S.

7:33B-1 bombers have been taking off to fly combat missions against Iran. President Trump praised the arrest and revealed that the suspects had been under investigation by both the U.S. and U.K. for a, quote, long time. CNN International Diplomatic Editor Nick Robertson is in Fairford with the latest on the investigation. The message of the picture that emerges from the village here is one that the base had been on some kind of security lockdown so that most civilians had left the base. There wasn't the normal activity in this village. It's normally bustling with people coming off the base to get a bite to eat or a cup of coffee or whatever it is.

8:12The sort of atmosphere here had changed in the past week. And there was a sense that there was a sort of a raised threat level going on at the base. The locals around here have seen big diggers put across the base gates to make it impossible for anyone to slam a vehicle and drive into the base that way. And I was just talking with a local farmer here who's the person who spotted this suspicious activity with the three vans and the men and called it into the police, which is what then triggered the police response. This is how she described the moments of coming home in the early hours of the morning and discovering this unusual, bizarre scene happening right by her farm.

8:53It's a bit embarrassing. I'm just a farmer who happened to live there. They were bristling with security and guns, and there I am in my own vehicle just minding my own business, and I'm the one that has to phone and alert them to where they are. And if you hadn't been coming back late that night? That's the thing. And if whoever they were had done their homework, they'd know that the village would be deserted at that time of night. It's really incredibly unusual that we happen to be there. The British Defence Secretary has said, look, she has a partial picture of what was going on. But UK officials are not revealing what else they may have known that was happening behind the scenes and nature of any particular threat that may have come.

9:42And this is a base that has been threatened by Iran before because this is a base used by the U.S. Air Force B-1 Lancer bombers to have those deep strikes inside of Iran. So it's drawn attention in that way. It has drawn threats from the IRGC in Iran that they would respond and attack the base. But there does seem to have been something that was happening in the past week that put everyone here on alert that evening. But of course, people here, farmers, one of them, saying if there was such a level of alert, why wasn't there more sort of force protection or patrols outside of the base? Why did it take a farmer to spot something strange and get the police activated?

10:30Yeah, fair question. Nick Robertson, thank you so much. And still ahead here in the Situation Room, much of the Northeast is reeling this morning from a weekend of severe weather. a look at where the rain is lingering for those already inundated. And then later, case reopened. New York prosecutors are taking another look at an alleged gang rape on the campus of Cornell University. Al's outrage about the details grows online. We'll be right back.

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12:57inflation. CNN Business senior reporter David Goldman is here to make it make sense. All right, David, today's question, why is the AI boom making inflation harder to tame? It is making inflation harder to tame. We don't think about this that much with AI. We're concerned about, you know, the effects of AI, but the effects of AI on the economy are pretty significant. And that is because of all of the spending that we're doing. $1 trillion on AI infrastructure just this year alone. That is going to balloon to$10.3 trillion over the course of seven years. Pam, what does that mean for the economy?

13:39It means a lot. We're going to go from a pretty significant chunk of the economy at nearly 2%. It's going to surpass 3 % every single year through 2032, according to a new report from the Brookings Institution. This is going to surpass just about every other big investment boom that this country has ever seen. More than the railroads, which was 2.2 % of the economy. Canals, electrification. I mean, think about what fiber cost this country. It's bigger than all of those. That is why we are in this building phase, right? If we build it, they will come. That's the field of dreams. But what happens when you build?

14:26Well, you get huge demand. We have demand for memory and storage chips. That's why iPads, iPhones, why they all cost more. Building supplies. You try building anything in this country, it's going to cost you more, and AI is to blame. Electricity, a lot of folks have seen their electrical bills go up and so on and so forth. It is causing a huge demand spike. When you have a demand spike, you have an inflation spike, and that's coming on top of an already hot economy. 4.1 % unemployment is what economists call full employment. Retail sales, 1.2%. There's a lot of people who are still spending. That's 70 % of the economy right there.

15:11That is booming too, and that is why we have inflation well above target. 2 % is the target and we are at 3.4%. So what about the stock market? AI has fueled this big stock market boom. Yes, tech up 5.2 % in the past month. And then just about everything else is in the red right now. The S &P 500 yet is still up almost 1 % this month. And that That is because of the outsize effect of tech. Who's invested in the market? Wealthy people. What do wealthy people do? They spend 40%, 40 % of all people who are invested in the market, they have 88 % of the market. 40 % of the top wealthiest people have 88 % of the stocks in their portfolio.

16:06They have an outsize impact on the stock market. And when the stock market is going higher, they continue to spend. So can anything slow it down? No. Rate hikes, treasury yields. This is a runaway freight train. This isn't going away anytime soon, Pam. So that just means we can't expect rates to go down anytime soon, basically what you're summing up. Rates can go up, but the problem is that AI spending isn't going to slow down. This is independent of any effort to slow it down. The Fed might try 10-year treasury yields. Those are going higher and higher, affecting your mortgage rate. AI, not so much.

16:47This is just going to keep going higher and higher and higher. All right, and I love your quote, David Goldman quote, if you build it, they will come. That will go down in the history books from David Goldman. Thank you, David. Always great to see you. I always learn so much. And if you would like David to help you make it make sense, email your question or send us a selfie video of your question to make it make sense at cnn.com and speaking of ai the latest warning coming from bill gates and how that technology could be used in events to cause quote a billion deaths that's coming up

17:26happening now we are tracking a powerful and deadly nor 'easter that is having lingering impacts across the mid-Atlantic this morning. One person was killed and four others injured as vicious winds toppled trees and downed power lines. Tens of thousands of customers were left without power across several states. Relentless rains and massive waves pounded coastal communities for two straight days, testing seawalls and swallowing streets under feet of floodwater. You see right here in this video. In fact, water levels in Atlantic City surged to heights not seen since Superstorm Sandy 14 years ago.

18:02And the storm is still causing travel headaches this morning with hundreds of flight delays and cancellations already piling up. So let's go live now to meet meteorologist Melissa Nord in the weather center. Melissa, the storm is getting weaker, but some communities are still reeling from it. And it's a long lived storm, Pamela. So we're just wanted to go away and it's still here yet another day for some communities, but not as intense as what we saw over the weekend. you were seeing a lot of that video. Look at these waves crashing over the side of the sea wall here in Marshfield, Massachusetts.

18:33We had some peak wind gusts 70, even 80 miles per hour. So that's topping hurricane force. And also a lot of communities ended up with a month's worth of rainfall in a short two three day span. Some of those peak rainfall totals over half a foot in nature, but the storm itself is nor 'easter has weakened the pressure levels coming up. The peak wind gusts are coming down, but the center of it is actually back out over the waters just south of Long Island. And what it's doing is the winds around it are pulling in a lot more of that moisture off the Atlantic. So we're seeing a lot more constant rainfall falling from New York City up through Boston airport delays, though not as bad as they were yesterday.

19:13The winds have backed down a bit. That was one of those thresholds that caused really longstanding delays in Boston. Current wind gusts in Boston 30 MPH. Some of those wind gusts right along the coastline will still gust around 30 miles per hour through the afternoon but most of our wind gusts at this point are more on that kind of breezy criteria of being 20 to 25 miles per hour some steady rainfall still in boston that last of the rainfall going to be exiting still in maine tomorrow morning coastal flooding also becomes less of an issue by tomorrow morning as well pam all right melissa nord thank you so much and coming up major milestone spacex's most powerful rocket reaches orbit what this means for the mission to the moon

20:00happening now in nepal at least four people are dead and more are missing after an avalanche hit a base camp in a remote part of the country yesterday's avalanche comes as severe weather batters nepal

20:20Wow, rainfall remains heavy and even caused this building to collapse into a river. Nepali forces are working to rescue people trapped by high waters. And the FAA is investigating a potential new safety issue involving Boeing 737 MAX airplanes. According to the Wall Street Journal, Boeing has identified a software glitch that could cause an automated navigation feature to fail in some instances as the planes are landing. Boeing reportedly insists the glitch, which it did not publicly disclose, does not pose a safety risk. It also said it's coming up with a software fix. And in Atlanta, a new chapter of panda diplomacy.

21:00Over the weekend, China sent two giant pandas, Ping Ping, meaning peace, and Fu Shuang, meaning double blessings, to the zoo Atlanta on a mission of goodwill. Both pandas will spend about a month in quarantine before visitors get a chance to see the new guests. It's also like panda therapy watching those videos. Well, we're going to need that for this next segment, because happening now, tech leaders are warning about the catastrophic harms posed by artificial intelligence if left unchecked by government oversight. Microsoft co-founder Bill Gates is the latest to call for legislation, and here's what he said on NBC's Meet the Press.

21:41AI is certainly powerful enough to drive events that cause a billion deaths. There's never been a weapon as powerful as the combination of people with ill intent using the latest AI tools. So here to discuss is AI safety researcher and computer scientist at the University of Louisville, Roman, Jan Polsky, and CNN contributor and technology journalist Jacob Ward. Thank you both for coming on. Jacob, to start with you, what is your reaction to that warning by Bill Gates? Well, I take away from it, Pam, first of all, that he sees, I think, as the rest of us do, this potential for a runaway piece of AI.

22:30But the thing that he seems mostly interested in is the short-term danger posed by people of ill intent using AI. I think he probably read along with the rest of us the report that came out from Anthropic, what is that, a couple of weeks ago now, in which they detailed all kinds of scary schemes that they have interrupted, including the trying to make novel toxins and novel viruses to a Yemeni military cell using Claude as their software engineer for building targeting systems for missiles. So I think what he's looking at here and what he seems to be suggesting is the idea that these companies need to be able to see into their own systems better and create greater transparency that regulators can also share in.

23:10It seems to me that he's not as worried about the Terminator scenario as he is about the short term effects, which, as he says, could drive incredible death and incredible damage. Do you see those same concerns, Roman? And is that your biggest concern, that a bad actor would use AI to cause harm to other humans? Right now, but we are about to experience a paradigm shift where AI becomes smarter than a human actor. So the malevolent intent, the adversarial agent would be AI itself. And if Bill Gates says he sees how a billion people could be killed with it, I don't think it's a limitation. I think a system smart enough to do that can kill everyone.

23:53When do you think that could happen where they become smarter than us and could have bad intent when we're talking about AI? So we already don't control those systems. And right now, leading labs are starting a process known as recursive self-improvement, where AI itself works in the next generation of AI systems, greatly increasing speed of development. So a current model will work in the next generation model. and if previously it took us a year or so to build a new model, now it can take a month, a week. So we can no longer keep up with that process. There is not enough time to test it. And we're starting to see that many incidents of hacking and other malevolent situations go undetected for months.

24:35So, Jacob, are we already screwed then, based on what Roman just said? I know, it's a bummer of a topic, Pam. But I think, you know, one thing that we just sort of need, I think one of the things we need to get past immediately is this notion that somehow this is a programming problem, right? We had Representative Jay Obernolte, who's the Republican co-chair of the AI caucus, you know, he told CNN, he told Anderson Cooper on Friday, quote, we need to align the values that these models are trained on with human values. I hear a lot of rhetoric around that, that somehow we're going to teach this thing manners and morals.

25:10But, you know, you can't find two human beings who would agree on a set of universal human values. What I think Bill Gates is calling for, and I think all of us should be calling for, is transparency, is a looking inside of these models and making it, as a result, the responsibility of these companies, what their things do. I think the use of words like rogue makes it sound as if this thing is normally loyal and then this one special flavor went a different way. It makes it sound right as if it's all there. But I think that it's important for us to be thinking, no, no, no, this is a thing that these companies created.

25:41They need to take control of it in some way or at the very least give us a look inside it. And for Bill Gates, a guy who famously hates regulation, was on the business end of bad regulation once upon a time, the fact that he thinks governments need to get involved I think really speaks to a shift that's going on in the tech community as they see that this thing is out of control and that these companies are not taking the steps they need to. So let's hear from Bill Gates himself. He was asked by CNN's Fareed Zakaria if it'll take some major event for people to realize the need for AI regulation.

26:12And this is what he said. Well, the likelihood of major cyber attacks that are AI enabled that shut down a hospital or electricity, it's very high. Perhaps it will take some awful events before we'll really decide, yes, this is very much worth doing. Roman, do you agree with that?

27:05a little more beyond just understanding how the systems work to actually putting a complete ban on creating something smarter than humans we don't need general super intelligence replacing humans we need useful tools to make us more productive and more creative um okay two questions for you because we have to wrap but what does winning the race mean when it comes to us and china you keep hearing about this ai race bill gates warned against calling it a race but um what would that look like for humanity if the U.S. quote unquote wins the race, Jacob? And is there actually a way, you sort of alluded to this, but is there a way to actually make AI nicer?

27:46So as to this race with China, you've got me, Pam. What are we racing toward, right? Are we racing toward terrifying autonomous AI weapons? Is that the thing that President Trump thinks we need to win in the race for? You know, I'm not sure that I want that gold medal or that place on the podium, right? So the race, I think, is a very convenient way for companies in the past to basically justify their actions and has become a sort of useful way for politicians to understand, I guess, their own thinking about this stuff. But I don't buy the race with China notion. And then can you teach this thing rules?

28:23No. What these systems are is inherently Machiavellian. You give them a task, they're going to get it done any way they possibly can. I think the best that we can do is account for our own rules, right? The reason that we need courts and that we constantly go to court to settle disputes with each other is because not everybody on the playground agrees on what the rules should be. And we're going to need to be able to apply that same kind of sorting it out in court logic to these companies and to these AI models. They talk about these things as if they're independent entities, not under their control.

28:56I think we need to get liability back into the picture here in order for them to take some sort of stand on this. And that's going to happen long before we get into thinking that we're going to somehow be the globally dominant force in a technology that we haven't even seen, as Roman has pointed out here, the bad, you know, the worst sides of. So I think the race is on here to create some liability. That, to me, is the next step. About a little extra time, Roman. President Trump says that he's not concerned about, you know, basically what we're discussing about what AI could do. He said it wasn't really a topic of conversation with President Xi of China.

29:32We are not seeing outwardly, at least, a sense of urgency from the president to regulate. Now, he did host the Anthropic CEO at the White House last night. There's going to be a big meeting tomorrow at the White House with tech execs. What is your message to the president in this moment, Roman? Yeah, he was against regulation completely for a long time. And then we saw White House ban two models. They were too dangerous, presented danger to national security. So we have this precedent of the president banning AI. He understood danger. The things are getting worse now. They're more capable. The number of systems they can attack increases.

30:08So if he wants to stay in control, he needs to make sure super intelligence is not created. Nothing is more important on his agenda. This is the main issue for the next election. And I think we can make a beautiful deal with China and get him a Nobel Peace Prize. All right, Roman, Yampolsky, Jacob Ward, important conversation. Thank you both. And I hope you'll come back on again soon. All right, coming up, police in Ontario now say that a shooting at the synagogue was indeed a deliberate hate attack. We're going to speak to the president of the synagogue about the concerns from the community up next.

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31:02Look at this. Incredible pictures of the SpaceX Starship rocket taking off this morning. It is the most powerful rocket ever made. Today's mission is the first time the SpaceX Starship has made it to orbit and its success could mark a monumental step forward. SpaceX is facing intense pressure to get Starship ready for a crucial NASA test flight next year and that could pave the way for the next moon landing. With us now is former NASA astronaut Leroy Chow, former commander of the International Space Station and author of Dinner with an Astronaut. A real underachiever there, Leroy. So this is the most powerful rocket ever made.

31:44What was your reaction in seeing it lift off today? Oh, it was a thing of beauty. Wonderful. Looked like a flawless liftoff. As you said, this is more than twice as powerful as the Saturn V moon rockets and almost twice as powerful as NASA's Artemis Space Launch System SLS rocket. And so they did get into orbit the first time the ship tried to get into orbit was successful. They did have one engine go out going uphill, and one of the engines shut down prematurely on the ship. Nonetheless, they got to go for the orbit burn. They did that, deployed successfully 26 Starlink version 3 satellites. They are all reported to be healthy and initializing now.

32:27So the only thing left is for ship to come back down. And we did have a successful boost back by the booster coming down and splashing down in the Gulf as planned. And so now we're just waiting for the final maneuvers of the ship to come down on its own. So how did the risks shift when you transition from a passively safe flight to being committed to orbit like this? Well, sure. You know, the past missions were suborbital. That is, the ship almost made it into orbit but intentionally did not go, intending instead to coast and splash down where it was planned to do so in the Pacific. This time they did the burn.

33:09They assessed that the system was healthy and they got into orbit, deployed those satellites, and now it's going to come down and kind of do what happened with the other ships. come down in the same area of the Pacific, hover over the ocean, demonstrating that in the future, it could also be captured by the so-called chopsticks aboard a drone ship or something like that and be successfully recovered to be refurbished and reused. And that's the beauty and the disruptive part of this Starship system. It's designed to be fully reusable. It's going to dramatically bring down the cost of launching things into space.

33:46I mean, these pictures are incredible. It looks like AI, but it's real. And, you know, as you've been saying, this launch is significant. SpaceX is facing intense pressure to get Starship ready for this crucial NASA test flight next year that could pave the way for the next moon landing. Starship has a multi-billion dollar contract to carry NASA astronauts to the moon's surface. What does a successful launch mean for the future of space travel and exploration? Sure. This is a big step towards that goal of creating a human lander for the moon for NASA's lunar program. And so hopefully SpaceX and, you know, of course, Blue Origin is also working on their lander.

34:25They're making great progress, I understand. But hopefully one or both will be ready for a flight test in orbit with Artemis 3. Hopefully, you know, by the end of next year, a very ambitious timeline. But, you know, we're going for it and hopefully we'll make it. But, you know, this is a big, today's flight was a big shot in the arm for progress towards that end. So we've seen version three ship. This is, I believe, the third flight of version three ship, and it is doing great. All right, Leroy Chow, thank you so much. Always nice to have you on the show. And the next hour of the Situation Room starts right now.

35:08Breaking news. An alleged terror plot foiled. Five men arrested near a British air base where the U.S. keeps its bombers used in the war with Iran. We are getting some new information from authorities. And paid for by the U.S. government. Another political ad featuring President Trump interrupts football Sunday and you footed the bill. Welcome to our viewers in the United States and around the world. I'm Pamela Brown. Wolf Blitzer is off and you're in the Situation Room.

35:44This is CNN Breaking News. And we begin this hour with breaking news and the investigation of an alleged terror plot in the UK. Five men have been arrested on suspicion of terrorism after police say they found them with explosives right near Royal Air Base Fairford. That's where long-range American B-1 bombers have been taking off for missions against Iran. Dozens of homes were evacuated in the area while bomb disposal units secured the scene. President Trump has praised the arrests and he said that the men were under investigation, quote, for a long time. CNN International Diplomatic Editor Nick Robertson is in Fairford, England.

36:24Nick, the head of the National Counterterrorism Policing in the UK just talked about the investigation. What did you learn? Yes, surprising developments, I think, for a lot of people, certainly around here. the head of the British Counterterrorism Policing, said that these five men that were arrested here a little over 36 hours ago are now being released on bail. They remain under investigation. The four men have been identified in their... Five men, rather, have been identified in their 20s, all of them living in London, but they are now out on bail. The investigation into them continues. news, the head of the counterterrorism policing spoke about the possibility and motivations that go behind incidents such as this.

37:14And this is a pretty rare and unusual incident. He said perhaps the focus was less on terrorism and more on financial gain, which sort of leads the thinking about what propagated this, what appeared to be a potential terror threat at this base over the weekend and the base going on to what appeared to be a sort of a high level of security following that, the evacuation of about a couple of hundred residents from a village not far from where we're standing. All of that seemed to indicate an imminent terror threat. But now the narrative seems to be perhaps that these were young men working for financial gain.

37:57And the head of counterterrorism spoke about not ruling out the idea that they were wittingly or unwittingly potentially involved or working for a foreign state. It does seem that this investigation is still at its very early stages. But I think a lot of local residents around here, when the alarm was raised in the early hours of Sunday morning, helicopters came in, the area was sealed off, families evacuated, the bomb squad coming in, the sounds of controlled detonations late yesterday afternoon, five men arrested, suspicion of explosives and suspicion of being involved in the preparation of acts of terrorism.

38:40The sense here was that these men who were spotted by a local resident, a farmer late at night, called in to the police, then picked up, that they were involved in something nefarious. Now this really sort of throws the question a little wider. If they were really involved in such serious offences, they're now out on bail, but still under investigation. So there's far more, far more to know about this. And as you can see, the security cordon around the base here is still in place. So should they even be called terror suspects given this development? It's unclear. I think we still are awaiting a definition.

39:20I think, you know, when the head of counterterrorism suggests that perhaps people can be motivated for financial gain rather than acts of terrorism, he is perhaps alluding to several situations we've seen in the UK recently where states, and here we're talking about Russia has been accused of this, Iran has been accused of this, states being accused of hiring off the internet for less than perhaps a couple of hundred dollars young teenagers, young men in their 20s, to commit criminal acts that can amount to what in other circumstances, setting fire to warehouses, attacking people on the street, could look like acts of potential terrorism.

40:10Again, we don't know if there were actual explosives found yet. We don't know what was inside those three vans. But it does raise the question of what motivated these men, what was the real intention. And as you mentioned before, this is a base that has been used. It was used in March this year for the B-1 Lancer bombers to take off on their long-range missions to bomb Iran. Iran, the IRGC there, has subsequently threatened this airbase. The British MOD has said they were ready to protect their bases from the possibility of threat. So you have all of that sort of swirling around, this emotion about bases in the UK being used to strike Iran.

40:53That was an emotive issue for some people here. You have Iran saying that they would attack. And then you have these five men detained in the middle of the night, arrested on suspicion of serious charges, and then released seemingly quickly on bail. Remember, in the U.K., the police have up to two weeks to hold people on suspicion of terrorism before they need to charge them. So it is in the certainly in the legal scope of the police to have kept them much longer and drilled down thoroughly into their backgrounds. That's really important context, Nick. Thank you so much. All right. Joining us now is Homeland Security analyst Donnell Harvin.

41:32Donnell, what do you make of these developments that these individuals are now out on bail and that the investigation, per the official there in the UK, is more focused on financial related issues rather than terrorism? Yeah, and this is why we don't jump the conclusions when these type of things happen. You have to let the investigation play out. It would seem from our standpoint that they may not have enough evidence to charge these individuals, which means they let them out on bail. That doesn't mean that they're innocent, doesn't mean that they're exonerated, just means that the investigation has to continue.

42:07And they have to have some type of concrete evidence in order to hold these individuals. Keep in mind that the U.K. laws are different than the U.S. laws. And so while we may be stunned that people who, you know, just a few days ago were reported to have bombs and be, you know, traveling to an air base potentially do an attack, they may see things differently. Yeah, and the explosives part was never actually confirmed. But you heard Nick there say under the law, they could be held for a period of time under their terrorism laws to be investigated. And yet they were released. So it does raise the question of, you know, why didn't they hold them just to make sure?

42:48What do you think about that? Yeah, I can only tell you my professional and personal experience with the UK counterterrorism police and individuals out there. They are top notch experts. I think that my personal opinion is that they had had something or some type of concern that these individuals were a threat to the community. They'd probably still be in custody. So we don't know. That's just me kind of, you know, reading the same tea leaves that everyone else has. I don't have any internal knowledge, but I think that they probably need to do more investigation. And to the point that Nick made, these individuals may have been duped.

43:23We've seen this before with state actors who go out and try to radicalize or try to hire people to do acts of terrorism. They just may be paid to do something that they don't know. That doesn't take away their guilt, but it just may point towards the intent. And of course, everyone is on high alert because this is the exact base launching U.S. B-1 bombers into Iran. And then you also have Tehran explicitly warning London that any base helping the U.S. is a target. So it's not a surprise that there would be that heightened sense of alertness right now around the base. Yeah. Yeah. You know, in my former intelligence life, we would actually be analyzing this to see if this was some type of probing incident where a state actor may have just hired some dupes.

44:12Some individuals didn't know, hey, drive these vans there and see what happens. And they're actually collecting intelligence off of this. So there's a counterintelligence piece here that needs to be analyzed. These individuals may be the primary or they may have been further down the food chain. And maligned actors do this often, where they get people to do things just to see the response of officials. And so this is something that we have to be concerned about because there is a heightened state of alert because of activities that are going on in Iran and in the region. Important point. Donnell Harvin, thank you so much for offering your perspective on this.

44:46And happening now, people inside and outside of politics are responding to President Trump's controversial new ad. It came out over the weekend. You may have seen it. And it features him vowing to fight a final battle against communists and the deep state. Have a look. And we will liberate America from these villains once and for all. So as you can clearly see in the ad, it said paid for by the U.S. government taxpayer money. The White House is defending it as educational and insists this isn't a political ad. Let's go live now to CNN senior White House correspondent Kristen Holmes. Kristen, tell us more about how the reaction has been so far.

45:29I mean, it's certainly getting a lot of attention and it's raising a lot of eyebrows. This idea that it looks like a campaign ad, it sounds like a campaign ad, and that it's paid for by taxpayer dollars. Now, according to a White House official, they say that these ads are very clearly not political. They say the president is not on the ballot. There's no call to action. It's just a public service announcement. And they are comparing it to previous administrations trying to get out information about Medicare or Obamacare or getting the COVID-19 vaccine. But, of course, there is no specific information, at least from what we can see here, that they're trying to get out other than, you know, President Trump is fighting communism, which they put out there.

46:12And in addition to that, you know, we're seeing a lot of ad spending. It's not as much as we would see in some of these other political ads. But he did, or the government did, place this ad during at least two NFL games yesterday. So they're clearly trying to amp this messaging up and get it out there. Yeah, that's a good point. And the ad also looks virtually identical to an ad Trump ran during his 2024 campaign, right? What do we know about that? Yeah, in January 2024, this is something he posted to Truth Social. And it's almost the entire video exactly the same. Now, one of the differences is that the Truth Social video that he posted again back in January of 2024 has this additional six seconds in it that includes Trump's campaign slogan as well as a number to text, certainly giving the idea there that this is a political ad.

47:07Now, one of the White House spokesperson did say very specifically, These public service announcements are about reminding Americans to love their country and understand what makes it worth defending at home, at our borders and abroad. The ad is educational and unapologetically patriotic. Again, even though they are pushing back on this political nature of this ad, we're a month from the midterm and he actually used most of this video for a political ad back in January. Yeah. All right, Kristen Holmes, thanks so much. We'll still have a disturbing college sexual assault case is getting a second look.

47:42Why prosecutors say key evidence may not have been considered the first time around. And a woman spends nearly two weeks in jail after a flock camera linked her to a deadly crash she had nothing to do with. She'll tell us all about it in the Situation Room coming up. Stay with us.

48:06Well, new this morning, a prosecutor in New York has reopened a criminal investigation into claims of a fraternity gang rape at Cornell University. A former student says she was drugged and sexually assaulted in 2024 and is suing the Ivy League school, saying that it failed to protect her. CNN's Gloria Pasmino joins us. So Gloria, this civil lawsuit is getting a lot of attention despite this investigation two years ago. Tell us more. That's right. Not only is it getting a lot of attention, but it's once again putting a spotlight on how universities and colleges address sexual assault allegations on their campuses.

48:43This case, Pamela, is disturbing. The details are graphic. And honestly, it is a complicated case. And I want to start right at the beginning, right? The alleged assault took place in October of 2024. According to the lawsuit, two of the seven members of Chi-5 fraternity were expelled and others received lesser punishment, including suspensions and written assignments after Cornell University conducted an investigation. The fraternity was also barred from campus. Now, the initial investigation back in 2024 resulted in no charges and no arrests. Jane Doe, the accuser in this case, has since left the university, and now she has brought this civil lawsuit against a school, against a fraternity, her own sorority, seeking damages.

49:35The Tompkins County District Attorney is also saying that he is reopening the investigation. He plans to present new evidence in the case, but this district attorney is now under a lot of pressure, facing calls to reopen the case, which he's doing now, but also criticism about how he initially handled the investigation back in 24. Now, we should mention that he has said that the reason for why there was no charges back in 2024 is because Jane Doe did not allege at the time that she had been drugged or sexually assaulted. it. That's a key part. I want to read a statement from the district attorney, which says that Jane Doe's sworn statement in November 2024 did not allege that she was drugged against her will or gang raped.

50:24On the contrary, Jane Doe's statement described her participation in drug use and sexual conduct as voluntary, conscious and consensual. My office obviously did not and could not have based our November 2024 decision on the allegations in a civil lawsuit that would not be filed until nearly two years later. Now, Pamela, I want to get to the details of this lawsuit, because as I said, they are graphic and disturbing. Jane Doe, who was 20 years old at the time of the incident, alleges that she started out her night drinking at her sorority house. She then traveled to the Chi Phi fraternity house, and it was once inside that house that she was drugged and sexually assaulted by seven members of that fraternity.

51:11There's also some new evidence in this lawsuit in the form of a group chat that was allegedly being shared by fraternity members in which they are discussing the sexual assault and appear to invite other members to participate. I want you to hear from Jane Doe's attorney. He gave us a statement earlier this morning telling us that that piece of evidence was not provided to the initial investigation and that other than her initial contact with Cornell University police, Jane Doe was not contacted by investigators from the Tompkins County District Attorney's Office or any investigators trained in interviewing rape survivors.

51:54And my last point, Pamela, and I think very importantly in this, is the response from Cornell University so far. Because again, them, along with this district attorney, are in the spotlight now for their handling of the case. They have said any suggestion that the university did not impose consequential punishments for those involved is false. A continuation of the false narrative that there were minimal consequences in this case is irresponsible, will make survivors feel less safe and supported, and will perpetuate the underreporting of sexual assault. Pamela, we have reached out to all of the seven students that are accused in this civil lawsuit.

52:35We so far have heard from the attorney for one of them. They are denying any wrongdoing, and we expect this to play out in court. But I think, again, the focus on how this district attorney handled the investigation, the details of the investigation, what was said at the time of the alleged crime, and what will happen now, and again, how universities handle these cases. of sexual assault. Pamela. A lot to lay out there, but really important to understand the context surrounding all of this and the facts. Gloria Pazmino, thank you so much. So to get some more analysis and to better understand all of this, I want to bring in former federal prosecutor Barrett Berger.

53:15Barrett, good to see you. Let's begin with the criminal investigation being reopened. What do you think about that? How unusual is that? It is unusual, but in this case, it is absolutely appropriate. This is certainly something that I'm sure the district attorney is feeling a lot of pressure to do, but it also seems to be the right thing to do given these horrific allegations that have been made in the civil lawsuit. This is an investigation that would have been much easier to have been done closer in time to the actual events. It's hard to bring an investigation two years later. Witnesses graduate, their memories get less sharp, physical evidence gets destroyed, Snapchat messages disappear.

53:57So it's hard to reopen these things, but it's absolutely the right thing to do, given the nature of the allegations and the complaint here. And there is a group chat that is included in this civil lawsuit. How persuasive do you think that evidence will be now? Yeah, I mean, we need to learn more about this. It's surprising to me that this was something that at least it appears the district attorney's office didn't know about up until they learned about it through the civil lawsuit. Presumably, if there's those messages, there's probably other type of forensic evidence out there. There might be other text messages, other group me.

54:35This is something that the investigation will focus on. What else is out there that could corroborate what this survivor is saying in her civil lawsuit? I mean, in a case like this, it really comes down to credibility of the person making the complaint. So any type of corroboration for the things that she's saying, whether that's these text messages, whether it's other witnesses that can come forward with their own recollections, it's going to be really important for the DA to find those things. So let's drill into this a little bit more because the prosecutor says no criminal charges were filed in 2024 because the woman's statement did not claim she was drugged or that she didn't consent to sexual activities.

55:16You have the attorney for the woman, known as Jane Doe, saying that she only had contact with Cornell police, Cornell University police, not anyone from the prosecutor's office, or anyone trained in interviewing rape survivors for that matter. The prosecutor told ABC its standard practice is to take what the police told them and not do an independent investigation. What do you think about that? Yeah, I think there's two important points that this raises. The first one is a university's Title IX investigation is not the same as a criminal investigation. It serves a different purpose. It has a different evidentiary focus.

55:55And there's a different level of burden of proof. You don't have to prove something beyond a reasonable doubt in order for there to be Title IX sanctions involved here. So what Cornell was looking at when they were doing that is not the same thing that the police either would have been looking at back in 2024 or should be looking at now. So that's the first thing. And it really exposes why it's so important for law enforcement to have the resources to be able to do their own investigation and not to have to rely on things that a college is doing. The second thing that this really highlights is this real deficiency in New York law right now.

56:27So in order to prove that somebody was mentally incapacitated, which means that they didn't have the ability to consent to some sort of sexual activity, they have to be involuntarily incapacitated, meaning that they were drugged against their will, that they were given alcohol against their will. There is this gap in New York law where if somebody voluntarily took drugs, drank alcohol to the point that they were incapacitated, in many circumstances, that's not enough to prove that they didn't consent. This is something that legislators have been trying to work to fix, that advocacy groups have pointed out as being a real deficiency in New York law.

57:07But this case really highlights why that particular deficiency could have been something that the DA was relying on and not moving forward with an investigation back in 2024. But what about quickly if you're offered a drug, you take it, but it's not the drug that you were told it was? In this case, I believe, according to the suit, she was told it was ketamine. What about that? Yeah, I think that would probably fall. If you think you're taking one thing and it's, in fact, a much stronger drug that actually incapacitates you, I think that would present a pretty strong argument for saying that this was against your will, that this was involuntary.

57:42Again, we don't exactly know all the information that the police and the district attorney's office had back when this happened. This is why this grand jury proceeding is going to be really important to uncover all of the evidence about this. But all we do know is that the allegations in the civil lawsuit are horrific. This deserves further investigation. And this victim really deserves some justice after everything she went through. Barrett Berger, thank you so much. And up next, controlling artificial intelligence, a giant in that industry, has launched a new platform to stop it from going rogue.

58:18What this means as concerns grow about AI's possible threat to humanity.

58:30happening now another week of testimony has begun in the murder trial of caleb flynn on friday prosecutors played police interviews conducted just hours after he called 9-1-1 the former american idol contestant told them he heard gunshots while in his daughter's bedroom saw the truck console where he kept his gun was open as well as the garage side door then found his wife Ashley in a pool of blood with two gunshot wounds. A detective who worked the case is expected to take the stand today. NVIDIA is rolling out a new safety platform to keep artificial intelligence agents under human control. This is designed so companies can monitor every action an AI agent takes.

59:12The open agent platform was developed with more than 100 industry partners, and the move comes as concerns grow over AI systems going rogue and potentially threatening humanity. And the queen of pop makes a comeback.

59:34Madonna kicked off the 2026 MTV Video Music Awards with Sabrina Carpenter and Charlie XCX. It was the material girl's first VMA performance in 23 years. It was also a big night for Taylor Swift. She surpassed Beyonce as the most awarded artist in VMA history. She now has 33 Moonman statues. Pretty impressive. Well happening now, this is a crazy story. The Florida woman, wrongfully arrested and jailed for nearly two weeks, is speaking out after a flock camera using AI wrongly connected her vehicle to a deadly crash that killed three people. Here's 23-year-old Lindsay Isaac's emotional testimony last week before a Senate Judiciary panel.

1:00:26I'm sorry. I was then moved into a mental health unit for approximately 24 hours before ultimately being transferred to G Block, a maximum security housing unit, where I remained for approximately 10 days. I was terrified. I was facing the possibility of spending the rest of my life in prison for a crash that I knew I had not been involved in. So charges against Isaacs were later dropped, and now she is suing the Florida Highway Patrol over her wrongful arrest. Lindsay and her attorney, Patrick, you can join us now. So, wow, Lindsay, first of all, how are you doing after going through so much trauma for something you weren't even involved with?

1:01:19It's a lifelong trauma. It's something I'm always going to have to remember and deal with, but I'm trying every day to mentally get better. I'm in therapy too so I'm doing everything I can. That's good I'm glad that you're in therapy I mean this is just should never happen in this society right there are protections constitutional protections in place you were three miles from the crash scene moments before the collision took place your SUV didn't even match eyewitness descriptions of the vehicle responsible for the crash. What was your initial reaction when police said you were being arrested for three counts of vehicular homicide?

1:02:03I didn't even understand how they could make it that far to an arrest. So when it actually happened, I was just in a state of shock. Like, I have to turn myself in right now and there's nothing I can do about it. So I had to just literally be strong, wipe my tears and go into jail and wait for this to be over. You were in solitary confinement for a time, too. What were the conditions like, Lindsay? Yes, they put me in solitary confinement for about three and a half days. They said the severity of my charges were too much to be around regular other inmates. So I was there for three and a half days.

1:02:49It was terrible. It was a terrible experience. And then I was moved to G Block after that, which where I stayed for 10 days after. Patrick, how was this finally resolved?

1:03:06We did the police work. My team and I did the police work that the Florida Highway Patrol should have done in the beginning. It was a lot more police work than it was actually lawyering. And we presented evidence to the state attorney, which caused them to question their troopers and reinvestigate the case. Basically, this was a case of you're guilty until we prove you innocent. And we were able to do that in this case. Tell us more about how you were able to do that. Well, when when Lindsay first came to me, she came to me the day after the highway patrol seized her vehicle. We gave them a reasonable amount of time.

1:03:40We reached out to them and tried to get the vehicle back. We gave them a reasonable amount of time and then we sued them for return of the vehicle. When we sued him for return of the vehicle, I got to examine the vehicle personally and take photographs of it. And I noticed, you know, I used to be one of these homicide investigators. So I noticed that there was absolutely no damage on this vehicle. It was in pristine condition. I gathered that along with some scene evidence and presented it to the prosecutor when they made the arrest to Lindsay. Yeah, because they had claimed, Lindsay, from what I read, that when they first knocked on your door, they claimed that there was evidence of collision, of your car being in a collision.

1:04:16but there clearly wasn't based on what you saw. So Patrick, Flock executives did not attend the Senate hearing where Lindsay testified. CNN did reach out to Flock safety for a statement and they said, quote, Ms. Isaac's experience was unacceptable and she has our deepest sympathy for what she went through. Her experience appears to have been the result of human errors and judgment unrelated to Flock, which led to an unconsciously long period, lengthy period of detention. Ms. Isaac has filed a complaint against the police department in which she clearly states that our cameras established she was not, in fact, at the crime scene.

1:04:54So who do you blame, Patrick, for Lindsay's wrongful arrest? And I also want to hear your thoughts on that, Lindsay. I blame Flock's safety directly because if it wasn't for Flock, we wouldn't be here in the first place. And this whole nightmare for Lindsay would not have kicked off. Fortunately, we were able to use Flock's information and the police information because Flock got two hits on her vehicle. And I was able to mathematically show that Lindsay was not at the crash scene at the time of the crash. But we wouldn't be here if it wasn't for Flock. And Lindsay, what about you? Where are you on that?

1:05:30Where do you place the blame? I totally agree with how I wouldn't be where I am right now and I wouldn't have went to jail if it wasn't for Flock. But I also blame the two police officers that said there is damage consistent to your car with the collision and there wasn't. So for them to take it to another level and lie and then lie to get an arrest warrant made for me, an innocent woman, I mean, it doesn't take an investigator to look at my car and see that it was not involved in an accident. So I blame both parties, but it was complete negligence and lies. And the eyewitnesses said that the Durango was maroon, right?

1:06:15Right. There was one eyewitness that said it was black. The rest of them said maroon and gave a partial track. But Highway Patrol never looked into that. They saw black Durango and that's what they ran with. So we want to note that CNN reached out to Florida Highway Patrol for a statement, but we have not received a response. What do you say to law enforcement officials, Patrick, who argue they need this technology to help solve crimes in a similar way, even though you say she wouldn't have been in that place to begin with had it not been for the flat cameras, but then you use the flat cameras to essentially solve the crime.

1:06:51What do you say to that? Sure. And that's a very common response from law enforcement. We get that a lot here in the central Florida area. And sure, it's a great technology. I would have loved to have this back when I was a detective. We would have solved a lot more crime. But you would also solve a lot more crimes if the police were allowed to kick down your door and come in and search your house whenever they want to or search your car whenever they want to or violate your rights in other ways. There has to be safeguards in place that can port through the Fourth Amendment, like the warrant requirements.

1:07:25And it's as simple as that. This technology is growing so fast that we are unable to control it and we must get ahead of it. And just to be clear, has another arrest been made in this case, Patrick? Yes, they arrested the proper driver who was driving the vehicle who had the partial tag. And their vehicle did have damage consistent with the collision. And by, you know, you have a lot of law enforcement agencies say, hey, we only keep this information for a few days. But when they arrested that second person, they went back through the database months and were able to find pictures of that person's car.

1:08:06Wow. That's all I can say. Lindsay, Patrick, thank you. Lindsay, we wish you the best on your journey with just to overcome this trauma. I hope you do overcome it. It's crazy what you went through. Thank you both for coming on. Thank you. I really appreciate it. Thank you. Well, just ahead, Made From Scratch, a White House push to serve homemade meals to your kids at school, but it may be harder than it sounds. We'll explain the challenges.

1:08:42Well, new CNN reporting this morning. The Trump administration wants schools to start making lunch from scratch. It's all part of House Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr.'s Make America Healthy Again campaign. Schools tell us they need better kitchens, equipment, training, practical models for cooking from scratch. We need to expand scratch cooking, reduce added sugars and ultra-processed food. serve more fresh produce, whole grains, and high-quality protein. CNN senior writer Tammy Luby has been reporting on this. So, Tammy, what is the Trump administration doing to help these schools prepare more meals from scratch?

1:09:23Thanks, Pam. The schools are, they would love to make more meals from scratch, but only 16 % are doing so at this time. And so the U.S. Department of Agriculture recognizes this. They're going to spend$70 million on equipment grants for the schools to buy more so that they can make more from scratch. And the Department of Health and Human Services is going to spend$30 million on research to try to find cost-effective ways for schools to serve healthier meals. But the school nutrition directors I spoke to said that it is far from enough. $70 million won't go far over 50 states. I spoke to one district in Connecticut that spent this district alone spent over three hundred thousand dollars in equipment purchases and repairs last year.

1:10:11And the entire state only got two hundred and nine million from an initial tranche of these equipment grants. So then the equipment is not the only thing. There's actually even more than that. They really need skilled labor. They need workers who will be able to handle raw meat, you know, handle the equipment, the knives and follow directions and be able to cook things from scratch. That's not the way they do now. Now they really mainly get prepackaged food that is sort of heat and serve. So there's in addition to that, there's space issues. There's funding issues. School districts have to fund their own operations.

1:10:53Sorry, school kitchens have to fund their own operations. They don't get money from the districts. And they're concerned because the USDA reimbursement for the meals just isn't enough to do all of this. Yeah, it's a great idea in theory, but in reality, it's a lot more complicated as you laid out. Tammy, thank you so much for coming on. Well, coming up, Panda Diplomacy. Two have arrived from China. to bring peace and blessings to Atlanta. CNN's Ivan Rodriguez joins us live with a preview. Pam, I'm outside Zoo Atlanta, where the two giant pandas, Pingping and Fushuong, are settling into their new home, and it's causing a little bit of pandemonium.

1:11:34People we talk to say that they're excited to see these new pandas.

1:11:43Happening now, two giant pandas from China have arrived at their new home at Zoo Atlanta. They took off from Chengdu, China on their own special FedEx plane nicknamed Panda Express, and they were sent on a goodwill mission announced after President Trump's meeting with Chinese leader Xi Jinping last week. CNN correspondent Ivan Rodriguez is in Atlanta, so how long will it be before people can see the pandas, Ivan? Pam, Zoo Atlanta's newest guests, Pingping and Fu Shuang, are settling into their new home here. They're currently in quarantine. Zoo officials say that they'll be in quarantine for about a month.

1:12:20So for people hoping to see them today, it's not going to happen. We actually don't have a specific date yet for when they're going to be on display for the public. So again, that quarantine is going to last for about a month as they get acclimated to their new home. But it was a long journey from China, a 15-hour flight aboard that custom FedEx Boeing 7-7 plane, that giant panda painted on the side when they arrived at Hartsfield-Jackson. And there was also a FedEx truck that took them on that journey from the airport here to Zoo Atlanta. Those trucks also had giant pandas painted on the sides as well.

1:12:51And Ping Ping is the male, which his name stands for peace. Fu Shuang is the female. Her name stands for double blessings. People I talked to said that they were sad to see the pandas go in 2024. And now they're really excited to get a chance to see them again. I bring my granddaughter every day that she doesn't have her little preschool. And we have seen the pictures on the billboard in the zoo of the new pandas coming. And so it's just been waiting, waiting, waiting. And we'll be overjoyed to go see them again. The two new pandas are part of a 10 year agreement with China. Pam? All right. Ivan Rodriguez and Alana, thanks so much.

1:13:38And thank you all for joining us. We'll see you back here tomorrow morning at 10 Eastern. Inside Politics with Dana Bash starts after a quick break.

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