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0:59We're talking to the Florida couple now suing the clinic they used for using the wrong man's sperm. And CNN investigation. Dozens of people now claiming a record setting roller coaster gave them brain injuries. We are looking into the rides up and down history. Welcome to our viewers in the United States and around the world. I'm Pamela Brown. Wolf Blitzer is off and you're in the Situation Room.

1:32happening today. Chinese leader Xi Jinping is due to arrive in the U.S. this evening for a summit with President Trump. The world's top economic superpowers come face to face as they compete for AI dominance and as the wars in Iran and Ukraine drag on. Some Republican lawmakers are criticizing the red carpet welcome for the Chinese leader, including the chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee. Had the White House asked me for advice, I would have suggested the president not invite Xi Jinping to Washington for such a lavish welcome. Our commander-in-chief should keep in mind that his guest is a brutal, unelected, and oppressive dictator who seeks to dominate his neighbors and whose massive military arsenal is aimed directly at the United States of America.

2:28CNN White House correspondent Elena Dreen is here in the Situation Room. So, Elena, how much does this AI race that we've all been talking about loom over the summit? It looms hugely over the summit. And look, there's going to be a number of topics that they need to get through. I think actually one of the things we should point out from the top here is also just the red carpet greeting that the president has. I mean, at the airport. When was the last time you've seen a president go to Joint Base Andrews to pick up a world leader? We know there's a lot that's going on to really make this a good meeting.

2:57The president wants this to be a successful meeting with Xi. And among the topics, of course, there's Taiwan, there's trade, the war with Iran. But AI is, of course, a huge issue, particularly at a moment when we're hearing a lot of the leaders in the space sound the alarm on the future risks and potential dangers that AI poses. Now, we know that Xi is really in no mood to set guardrails or limits to artificial intelligence. He recognizes the same thing that the president does, which is that this is kind of a race to see who can come out on top before more regulations and more order comes to this.

3:34And we heard the president kind of push that line yesterday as well during his speech at the U.N. General Assembly. He essentially said, look, any any talk of dangers of AI is a hoax. That is the word that the president used. He also said that he's not going to stifle growth of something that he thinks will be bigger than the industrial revolution. But I will say, despite the kind of rhetoric we're hearing from the president, there is talk among his top advisers about how to find a way to ensure that there are some guardrails. And you did hear the Secretary of State, Marco Rubio, say they're actually thinking about a potential hotline, an AI hotline to set up with China similar to what they had during the Cold War in case a really big moment, really dangerous moment arises.

4:17Listen to what he said. And one of the things that Scott has talked about, and I saw him do interviews about this as well, is like the equivalent of a hotline that we had during the Cold War where there is an AI incident that's dangerous and could impact economies or societies and even lead to a conflict between nation states, we would have the ability to immediately hotline the Chinese and warn them about it or vice versa. It's not a bad idea. It's one we'll explore with the Chinese among others. So, look, what is interesting as well is that it's kind of an awkward topic for a meeting because both of these leaders have recognized that they want to beat the other.

4:52You know, she wants to beat the U.S. The president wants to beat China when it comes to this idea of an AI race, of who's going to build the AI of the future. But still, White House officials I've spoken with said it is definitely going to be discussed. And I think a hotline, like Rubio mentioned, could be one of the key things they try to work out over the next couple days. And the Trump administration had considered this meeting with AI executives on the sidelines of the summit. Do you know if that's been decided? Yeah, so my colleague Hades and I, our colleague Hades and I, reported on this last week.

5:23We know that a number of tech CEOs are actually coming to Washington around this state visit. They'll be part of the dinner tomorrow night. This is some of the leaders we know are coming. Tesla's Elon Musk, OpenAI's Sam Altman, Google's Sunder Pichai, Amazon's Jeff Bezos. We also know NVIDIA's Jensen Huang, someone who's been in the presence here a lot about AI. The former Apple CEO, Tim Cook. There's a number of other leaders you can see on our screen. And the conversations I've had with Trump officials was essentially that because they're already here, it might be a good opportunity to get a meeting that many of these leaders have been calling for on the books.

5:58Now, the White House has not formally scheduled that. It's not clear if it's 100 percent happening. But I've been told they really are hoping this would be a good opportunity to get them to meet. But again, almost would be a little bit awkward to coincide with the Xi meeting. I was told if there is a meeting, the Chinese president likely wouldn't be there. All right. Elena Treen, thanks for bringing us the latest busy week for you, for sure. And happening now, Iran's president is preparing to address world leaders at the United Nations General Assembly. He is speaking as the U.S. war with Iran shows no signs of ending.

6:27And just a day after President Trump spoke from that same podium and threatened to annihilate his country. CNN's Jim Sciutto joins us now. So, Jim, do you expect Iran's president to take a more combative tone in his address or lean more toward diplomacy? Well, listen, he has to respond. The president stood at the podium, you know, at a body that was intended, right, to prevent war in the world, the United Nations, and threatened to annihilate his country. Not for the first time, right? I mean, you go back to language President Trump has used before going, for instance, in April, we will bomb them into the Stone Ages.

7:01So the Iranian president has to respond. But I will say, speaking to diplomats here at the U.N. General Assembly, there aren't many people who took that threat seriously, right? First of all, President Trump has threatened before. There's a boy who cried wolf element to that. But the perception is similar to perception you have in this country that President Trump is impatient to end this war and that he does want a diplomatic solution. And that the economic costs of the war, diesel prices, gas prices, etc. are impacting Trump's domestic interest, particularly as the midterms approach. So the Iranian president will have to respond to it.

7:40but might leave the door open to diplomacy as well, as President Trump did. And it was quite significant, as we reported yesterday, that President Trump did meet with, well, he had his advisors, I should say, meet, Witkoff and others, with members of the Iranian delegation here in New York. So another attempt at a diplomatic track to end this war. But, Pamela, the president finds himself in the same situation he's been to in previous attempts at negotiations, and that is that while the Iranian president, Pazeshkin, foreign minister, or Aqchi may be open to negotiations, there are harder-line forces in that country, particularly the IRGC, that does not appear so interested in negotiations.

8:25And who wins out? Can the Iranian president push those forces aside? It's not clear, right? So you might have negotiations, but you might not be able to get to diplomatic solutions to the key issues here because of that resistance inside the country. Yeah. And sources I speak to say the RGC really is largely in control. And so that is a fair question of what could actually be accomplished with the president of Iran. I want to talk about the Ukrainian president Zelensky, who is also speaking today. What is his message likely to be? Listen, it'll be a familiar message. He will say they need help, right?

9:00Particularly they need help defending their skies. And it's notable that just hours before his speech, Russia was again attacking civilian targets in his country. He needs help from the U.S. He needs help from Europe. He will also quite deliberately say, this is Russia's war and Russia can end it, right? Russia invaded and they could end the war tomorrow, which is a message that he's been giving to President Trump as well. And it's something of a counterpoint to Trump, right? Because oftentimes when you hear him speak, and even Secretary of State Marco Rubio or the U.S. ambassador to the U.N. where they both sides this war and say, well, we want to end the war and both sides have to come to the table, etc.

9:41Of course, Zelensky, you know, being the victim of this invasion, will push back against that. And I think a final point is something we heard from him yesterday as he was speaking to reporters. Zelensky also will say, listen, we're interested in negotiations. Ukraine is. if Russia would be. But let's be practical here. Putin has shown no real interest in negotiations from the very beginning. And I think that's also a message to Trump himself, right? Don't think that Putin is your friend. Don't think that Putin is a fair, good faith negotiator in this process here. It's up to him, but hasn't shown any real evidence of being serious about negotiations.

10:22And that's something I've heard from European officials here as well. They just don't believe Putin is ready. All right, Jim Shida, I've been hearing that as well. Thanks so much. Great to have you on the show. Thank you. And still ahead here in the Situation Room, brand new CNN polling out this morning finds a new record low approval rating for President Trump as more Republicans distance themselves from the Oval Office. And then later, protecting children from AI. We're going to talk with someone fighting to make sure any rules and regulations keep young people top of mind. We'll be right back.

11:02Hey, I'm Anderson Cooper. On my podcast, All There Is, we explore grief and loss in all its complexities. My guest is Lil Jon. He's a rapper, DJ, and producer known for hits like Get Low and Turn Down for What. In February 2026, his 27-year-old son, Nathan, went missing near Nathan's home in Georgia. Three days later, his body was found in a pond nearby. Lil Jon has a memoir that just came out called I Only Shout So You Can Hear Me. It takes time to heal. And I kept myself busy that I didn't let myself mourn. I needed to laugh again. I needed to be silly and interact with people and feel other people's energy and make people happy too.

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12:28Gambling addiction, gambling disorder is the hidden addiction. You can't smell it, you can't taste it, you can't see it, you can't have a urine drug test. Who are we talking about here, Professor? Who's the most likely demographic to be affected by this? Literally any single human on earth. Listen to Chasing Life, streaming now, wherever you get your podcasts. All right, we'll take a look at this. According to AAA, the national average price for a gallon of regular gas today is$4.47. That is just about$1.50 more per gallon since the Iran war started. And according to a new CNN poll released this morning, voters say they are concerned about the economy.

13:08Only 28 % say economic conditions are good. and 73 % say they disapprove of the way President Trump is handling the economy. All of this is fueling fresh concerns for Republicans ahead of the November midterms. Let's bring in CNN Political Director David Chalian. So tell us more about this latest poll and what you're learning, David. Yeah, well, Pam, all of those very rough numbers for the president in his standing on the economy has created an environment that in our poll shows that the generic congressional ballot, who would you vote for if the election were today, for a member of Congress, Democrat or Republican?

13:44Democrats have an eight percentage point advantage on that score. 49 % today say they'd vote for the Democrat. 41 % say they'd vote for the Republicans. I would just note, in 2018, when the Democrats flipped the House in Donald Trump's first term, the actual national popular vote was an eight point Democratic advantage when they won those 40 seats. So, President Trump, though, when you look at his numbers specifically compared to his first term to now, he is even more unpopular now. Tell us about that. He is indeed. I mean, you can see his trajectory over this term, how he's gotten more and more unpopular.

14:15We have him at a record low now. That blue line of his approval rating, handling his job as president, is now down at 33%. That is the lowest we've ever had Donald Trump across both of his terms. You noted he still was unpopular in 2018. He was at this point. He was at 36 % approval, Pam. Not great. But here's the biggest difference. He still had strength on the economy. And now he's like 22 points lower on the economy than he was in 2018. So it is the number one issue far and away for voters. And it's an issue that Donald Trump, compared to his first midterm, is now completely underwater and has tanked on.

14:52So what about Democrats? What is the sentiment toward them with 41 days to go until the midterms? Well, part of the reason why I think we see them ahead in the generic ballot is they are more motivated to vote. There's an enthusiasm advantage for Democrats than there are Republicans. And overall, you can see among all of our voters, the extremely motivated to vote. 57 % of voters say they are. And that is, if you look inside that 57%, largely made up of Democrats. They're willing to sort of walk across broken glass to get to the polls, it seems. But I will note this in our poll. We asked approval of Democratic leaders in Congress and Republican leaders in Congress.

15:28They're both in the toilet. Only a quarter of Americans approve of both of them. So equally unpopular. And we asked, if Democrats do win the House majority, what do you think? Is it going to be a positive effect or negative effect on cost of living? And voters are pretty much split on that, positive and negative. So this does not seem to be an environment where Democrats have an advantage because it's something they're offering. It is an environment that Democrats have an advantage because the country, independent voters, are turning against Donald Trump on his economic record. And what about Republicans?

15:59What did the polls show when it comes to how Republicans are viewing Donald Trump? His approval rating among Republicans is now down to 75%. Now, I know you say, oh, 75 %? That sounds like a great number. That is low for Donald Trump among his fellow partisans. We have not seen a number that low of Republican approval. And you see it also in the intensity. So when you look at his approval, sometimes we do strongly approve, somewhat approve. Only 13 % of Americans in our poll strongly approve of the job he's doing. A year and a half ago, it was double that. So he has cut in half his most vociferous support in just a year and a half.

16:35Really illuminating. David Chalian, thank you. Always great to have you on. Coming up, why the man picked to announce the death of Dolly Parton is now locked in a fiery legal fight with her estate.

16:53New this morning, Dolly Parton's business empire is in a legal battle against her nephew, The late country star's estate is accusing Brian Seaver of violent threats and extortion. In court documents filed yesterday, the estate is seeking a restraining order to keep Seaver away from employees and business dealings. Seaver hasn't spoken to CNN about the new allegations. For more on this, let's go live to CNN senior entertainment reporter Lisa Respers-France. And this is so surprising as well, Lisa, because Dolly Parton picked her nephew to be the one to announce her death. She did, Pamela, and they were extremely close.

17:30Back in 1993, she actually recorded a song called Romeo, which at the time she told Entertainment Tonight was inspired by her nephew, Brian Seaver, and he offered security for her. He was in charge of her security for over two decades. But last week he was fired. And as you noted, the estate is claiming that even before she passed away in August at the age of 80 after battling cancer, that Brian Seaver was threatening to try to destroy his aunt's brand if he was not paid. And so they're seeking a restraining order. They said that he portrayed himself as someone who had access to weapons, that he had military experience and that he was threatening violence.

18:11Now, we haven't spoken to him, but he has told other outlets, Mr. Seaver has, that these messages that were included in the court papers in which the estate sought this restraining order, that a lot of those messages were taken out of context and that, you know, he is not going to be intimidated. And it's just very, very messy, Pamela, especially because, as you point out, people remember him as the person that his aunt handpicked to deliver to us the devastating news that she had left us, Pamela. Yeah, this is the video right here. All right, Lisa Respirus-France, thank you. Thank you. Coming up here in the Situation Room, what we're now learning about the criminal investigation surrounding Camp Mystic, the Texas camp where 27 girls died during catastrophic flooding last summer.

19:07happening now camp mystic the texas camp where 27 girls and counselors died during flooding last summer now face a criminal investigation according to court documents texas investigators want to look at evidence that could lead to charges including manslaughter or negligent homicide. No formal charges have been filed and Camp Mystic didn't respond to requests for comment. Also, Russia pounded Ukraine with another huge wave of strikes overnight. The attacks hit railway targets, warehouses and fuel stations. At least two people died with dozens more hurt. And happening now, President Trump is gearing up for a high stakes visit from Chinese leader Xi They have a long list of topics to discuss, but AI is likely toward the top.

19:53We have heard a string of dire warnings about AI from tech leaders who are now calling for more regulation. CNN's Tom Foreman explains the benefits. Tom? You know, when we look at this question of what's happening here, there are certainly strengths to be had from AI. Automation is one of them. This is a system that can much more, in many ways, look at a broader sense of information than humans do for things like a factory supply chain, how things are coming in, how they're going out, all of that works. This can automate tasks like that. Research tasks, instead of having a room of people researching, it can do it very fast and very quickly in many cases.

20:30Calculation, analysis, and prediction. Let's say you want to build a new apartment building and you want to know about traffic flow and where people are going to live and where they're going to work and what other things are going on in the area and income and weather and so many things that could affect it. AI is very good at taking that massive amount of information and crunching it down telling you whether you should spend the money or not troubleshooting and diagnostics you can look at systems for example and suss out the problems of financial irregularities for example and diagnostics interestingly enough in medicine there have been tests where ai has outperformed doctors in mammograms for example there was one example where it performed much better in avoiding false positives and false negatives for women having mammograms.

21:13But there are dangers in all of this too. Radical industry shifts can come from the use of AI. Bad actors taking control, that's one, and job losses. This is a big one that a lot of people talk about. There is a study out there by the Boston Consulting Group, which basically said that 10 to 15 percent of jobs in this country could be eliminated by 2031, and somewhere around half could be reshaped by 2031. That's really, really fast. And if you look at some of the big companies that are dealing with this, we call this job cuts, but in many ways, this is job reapportionment. Many of these companies say, look, we haven't given human jobs to AI, but we are shifting a lot of resources to AI to build up our ability to take advantage of this.

21:58And that has made some jobs go away. Maybe they get replaced by other jobs, but it is a big change. And if you're one of the people affected, it just feels like an overwhelming change. And of course, the danger is here. Uncontrollable independence. If you let AI start running everything in your company, or a government starts letting it run a lot, the question is, do you really have containment of it anymore? It's smart. It expands its power. It learns a lot. Does it move beyond that? Malevolent actions. Let's say you have it in charge of a military system, and you harden it against people hacking in to stop it.

22:34what if you harden it to the point where it can defend anybody trying to stop it and then it takes its own action. It starts saying we need to defend against this, we need to defend against this, and humans are not overriding it. And of course that cuts to the idea of hallucinations, a persistent problem. Remember, this may be very smart, it may act like humans, these are not humans. It does not possess the ability of a human to make a certain call. So, for example, if an AI system said the best military solution in this town is to wipe the town out, a human might say, no, that is unthinkable.

23:11We're not going to do that. There are better ways to do it. And yet that may be, to an AI system, the most efficient way to do it, Pam. So there are real questions about these things here and about job loss and how it fits in. And honestly, Pam, it is moving so fast and so few people understand the full implications. that's why they have to look at this carefully. And so many people have a stake in AI for many different reasons, whether it's a financial stake or for their job. Billions of dollars are invested in AI. It's really propping up the economy. And so that all raises the question of regulation.

23:48The same people who are charged with regulating AI have a direct stake in it, right? Bottom line, what can be done in this space? Well, that is, you just hit the nail right on the head there. If you want to make this safer among questions out there, one, industry accountability. This is something that some of the industry people and one of the top advisors to Donald Trump has said, oh, no, this is really the key. Let industry regulate itself. And of course, critics are saying, we have a long history in this country of industry regulating itself. And then we find big problems later and say, you weren't really regulating yourself, except to the degree that it helped your bottom line.

24:26So there are big questions about that from some sectors. Software safeguards. Can you build something into AI that says it can't do these bad things? Again, I go back to Isaac Asimov's rules for robots. The idea of can you tell the machine itself you can't do this, and if you try to do it, you must stop. Case in point, chatbots where people have said, well, I'm going to ask it how to commit suicide. And they've built safeguards to say, no, you can't do it. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Rules and regulations. Government, that's what some people really think has to happen, and what they're talking about right now at the UN.

25:00Global cooperation. Can people get together? There is so much gray area here, Pam, and yet really serious black and white issues that have to be addressed. Yeah, and no doubt that will be a topic between President Trump and Chinese leader Xi Jinping this week on how do you deal with this AI race between the two superpowers. Tom Foreman, thank you so much. And coming up at 11, we are talking with a psychiatrist and anxiety specialist about handling all this angst many Americans are experiencing as they hear these warnings about AI. You may have felt it there from Tom's segment. So we're going to talk about that later on in the next hour.

25:34But I also want to talk about AI-linked stocks that took a tumble last week before roaring back on Monday. The rollercoaster ride led to big questions about what could happen to the economy if CEOs of some of the largest AI companies make good on their recent promises to slow down the technology's development and allow for more guardrails to be put into place. CNN Business senior reporter David Goldman is here to make it make sense. All right, David, today's question, what would happen to the economy if spending on AI slowed down? Yeah, it's such a good question because what Tom was just saying is that there are efforts to slow the pace down.

26:13And, you know, this is not an insignificant part of America's economy. It makes up today 1.8 % of all U.S. economic output. That is not a small amount. The expectation is that's going to grow to around 3 % by 2028. So just like Tom was saying, we're not far off from this really expanding, almost doubling. And if you want to put that into perspective, what does 3 % mean? Well, the entire U.S. defense output is just 1.8 % of the economy. Transportation is around the same, around 3.3%. It's more than education. It's more than what hospitals create and it's around what restaurants and hotels create.

27:03This is a massive, massive economic output that we're talking about. And that has a lot to do with how much companies are spending on AI infrastructure, data centers, chips, all of that. It is this year going to be one trillion dollars. Let's see, thousand, million, billion, trillion. Yes, one trillion dollars this year, according to J.P. Morgan. And that is a massive amount, more than we spend on the military. Incredible, incredible amounts of money. And that is why, to your point earlier, Pam, that we have huge amounts of investment in AI. 52 billion dollars since March went into tech funds.

27:43Every other ETF on the planet got 4 billion dollars. So another way to think about this is for every$13 that was spent on AI, just$1 went into everything else. This is a massive source of growth for our stock market. And we have seen the top companies, the biggest companies in the world are all AI companies right now. Nvidia, Blackwell chips, Siri for Apple, Gemini for Google, Copilot for Microsoft, and so on and so forth. All of these companies are dealing in some way, shape, or form with AI. All of them combined make up nearly 40 % of the total value of America's stock market. Just those eight companies that I mentioned.

28:35So why does this matter? Because the economy is standing on just two legs right now. It is AI that we just mentioned and fueled from the stock market gains, record stock market gains that we've seen, we have spending predominantly from wealthy Americans who are invested in the stock market. If we take this out, if we say that we're going to slow down the amount of spending on AI, it could hurt consumer spending. And that is how you get into a recession. we have an estimate from Goldman Sachs that we could go into a 1.5 % GDP decline. That is the economy slowing down if this scenario happens and spending on AI starts to collapse.

29:23Pam, that is not something that we want to see. No. What you just laid out is truly eye-opening. I learned a lot. David Goldman, as always, thank you so much. And if you'd like David to help you make sense, email your question or send us a selfie. video of your question to make it make sense at cnn.com. And coming up, why the Trump administration now says the move to ban some press from the White House was a matter of national security.

29:57Happening now, the Justice Department is defending President Trump's decision to ban three media organizations, including CNN, from the White House. In a filing overnight, the Trump administration argued the news outlets coverage of the Iran war and President Trump's ballroom construction could be a national security risk. Well, today, a federal judge will hear arguments from CNN, MSNOW and Politico challenging the ban. And even some Republicans are pushing back against the president. Was it appropriate for the White House to kick MSNOW, Politico, CNN out of the court? No. On the midterms, does this look like I think it's something to do with the First Amendment.

30:38It's absolutely inappropriate. I mean, that's why I've been critical. I can't be critical as I have been with Pete Hegseth. And when you see the same behavior, not have the same observation. So I think it's a mistake. All right. Join us now with CNN chief media analyst Brian Stelter and constitutional trial attorney Seth Behrensweig. Brian, let's start with you. Catch us up. What else do the Justice Department's filing say? Well, the filing says the words national security 32 times. And in separate letters that have been sent to CNN, MSNOW and Politico late last night, there are claims from the White House that there are numerous articles that have either violated national security or created problems behind the scenes that the White House says are breaches of conduct that warrant these bans.

31:23Incredibly, some of these articles have nothing to do with national security at all. One of the citations to Politico involved some great reporting Politico did last month, actually earlier this month, it's still September, in the playbook newsletter about how that midterm convention might not go well and how there were concerns among Republicans about it. That article had nothing to do with national security, but the White House is citing it as an example of why Politico has been banned. The other articles cited involve reporting on the Iran war, on the ballroom, and on other topics of obvious public interest.

31:55So these letters, they seem to be a post-Hawk rationalization or justification for the ban. And the letters say that the news outlets have a couple of days to contest this before the ban becomes permanent. Meanwhile, Pam, I'm told the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press is about to file a friend of the court brief with dozens of other news outlets all coming together, standing in solidarity with CNN, MSNOW and Politico. So you have the American news media on one side and Trump's Justice Department on the other. So, Seth, does the Justice Department's reasoning hold any water legally? Well, the Justice Department has put forward some arguments that will have an interesting role in the drama that unfolds in the courtroom here in Washington, D.C., when the hearing takes place mid-afternoon.

32:42I would respectfully push back a little bit on some of Brian's thoughts with regard to the national security elements. I do agree with him that those were some pieces that were forwarded by the administration at his brief. Some of them were a little bit more specific. However, they talked about publishing with respect to the preparation and building of the bunker. The administration and the Justice Department talked about disclosure with respect to munitions and other aspects of interceptors. So, you know, it is going to be, frankly, an uphill battle by both sides. One of the unique elements of where we sit today is that this is an emergency injunction hearing.

33:21Specifically, the media is asking for a TRO, a temporary restraining order. And what that does as kind of a unique legal animal is it takes the end of the train and kind of puts it up to the front. In other words, the legal standard is whether the plaintiff can demonstrate a likelihood of success on the merits. That's a hard standard. The media also has a plaintiff's argument that includes due process. I don't think that that's as strong as an argument as the First Amendment. I think that that is a viable argument. That's really where I think Judge Kelly is going to come down today. And regardless of who wins or loses, one of the elements and aspects of injunction litigation is this.

34:01These cases are very fast-tracked. This is going to be resolved. the entire case, frankly, is going to be resolved within a matter of days, if not more than just another week or two. It's very front loaded. There will probably be a ruling. We'll probably get it by close of business today. So it'll be interesting to see what happens in this fast moving case. So, Brian, do we have any idea of how these media organizations plan to respond today? There, you know, the the the council, the outside lawyers continue to submit exhibits to the court. So, for example, yesterday when the president said to Caitlin Collins, you shouldn't be here, that headline became an exhibit that was sent to the judge.

34:40There may be even more exhibits and submissions later today responding to the late night letters. You know, when it comes to this claim about national security, it reminds me of what Trump is saying about the ballroom, about the arch, about other things that he wants to push through. And I would go back to the 1971 Supreme Court ruling in the New York Times Pentagon Papers case, where the court upheld press freedom. And Hugo Black wrote in 1971, the word security is a broad, vague generality whose contours should not be invoked to abrogate the fundamental law embodied in the First Amendment. It feels to me like we're right back to where we were in 1971, with the government claiming that it can keep all these secrets and that the press should not be revealing those secrets.

35:21And in that case, the Supreme Court upheld the right of the press to go ahead and publish. Yeah. And Seth, as I recall, legal president shows in terms of national security, you know, the press can't put out their troop movements, for example, something that really would implicate national security. And we also have an obligation to report on what's happening, right, in the public interest, what's happening in the Iran war. And when it comes to munitions, you had DOD, the IG report, you know, put out that we reported on talking about munitions and what's happening on that front. So what do you think about that in terms of the legal president and this now argument from the Trump administration that somehow these articles or reports have implicated national security when you look at past cases?

36:06Well, when you look at the Justice Department's brief, they went through a little bit of a historic rendition of some examples when the president of the United States during moments of military engagement did have some restrictive approach with the media. Frankly, if I was the media and that argument came up today, my argument would be one of process rather than substance. Although reasonable people could argue about whether some of these aspects are more national security oriented. One of the arguments that I would raise for the media, and again, I'm not looking to be political, I'm just looking at it through the legal lens, is if this was something that risked national security, why didn't the administration file its own request for a temporary restraining order?

36:47Why didn't the Justice Department go in and file a motion for emergency relief and try to restrain the publications of things that actually violated national security? So one of the very interesting aspects of these hearings is how dynamic they are. There are submissions that will be leading up to the hearing. There may even be some post-hearing submissions with briefs. But I do think that Judge Kelly is going to issue a ruling today, keep in mind that the TRO is not the whole ballgame. What judges typically do in cases like this, not always, but typically, is then in 10 days thereafter, there could be what's known as a PI hearing, a preliminary injunction hearing, where both sides can submit further arguments.

37:29They can come in and they can put witnesses on affidavits, declarations. So this is going to be very fast moving. The case itself, I think, will probably resolve sooner rather than later because since injunction cases are very front loaded, these things don't take very long to ultimately wind its way through the judicial process. All right, Brian and Seth, we'll leave it there. Thank you both. And we'll be right back.

37:55Happening now, more than 100 people are coming forward to say they suffered brain injuries after riding an extreme roller coaster at Six Flags. That's according to the attorneys representing them. A previous CNN investigation linked the world's famous X2 ride to severe injuries and deaths dating back a decade. These new claims came from people who rode the coaster in just the past two years. CNN's Kyung Law has the story. It's not about the lawsuit. It's hard for Michael Wilk to comprehend how so many people like him say they were injured at Six Flags Magic Mountain on a roller coaster called X2.

38:33He underwent emergency brain surgery after his doctor ordered an MRI. I truly hope that by coming forward, changes will be made. That's my goal. That's why I'm here today. Wilkes' lawyers announced more than 100 people plan to sue Six Flags. Three have already been filed, but many more say they were seriously injured on this ride. We were contacted by more than 300 people injured on the X2 ride. We couldn't take all of the cases. Some were past the time limits in California, which is two years. A CNN investigation first reported two women collapsed right after riding the X2 roller coaster at Magic Mountain this summer.

39:21They ended up in the same hospital the same week, and both women underwent emergency surgery for similar brain hemorrhages. Pam Gillen was at Magic Mountain with her daughter Camille, celebrating her 16th birthday on July 5th. It was seconds. You go in as yourself, and then when you come back, you're in a medical emergency. This was from a roller coaster. Exactly. Six days later, then 25-year-old Naomi Greer Wilkinson got on the X2 roller coaster. She collapsed after she got off the ride and was rushed to the hospital where Pam Gillen was being treated. Doctors who treated both Naomi Greer Wilkinson and Pam Gillen say the severe brain injuries were the result of a traumatic rapid acceleration deceleration event experienced while on the X2 ride.

40:13I do remember one of the surgeons storming through the ER and yelling, how many is it this month? They've got to shut that ride down. He was furious. Here's what Six Flags says that makes the X2 roller coaster different. The seats spin 360 degrees forwards and backwards independently around the track. Riders plummet 200 feet at speeds of up to 76 miles per hour with two so-called raven turns or half loops that turn into sheer drops. In three lawsuits filed against Magic Mountain, riders say the park deliberately hid evidence from the public and riders like them. If people voluntarily choose to ride a roller coaster, they don't assume a risk of death or catastrophic brain damage for some family fun.

41:10Wilkes stood next to Pam Gillen and Naomi Greer Wilkinson's parents at the news conference, filled with regret. He was hurt just months before Naomi and Pam. I cannot help but feel if I had reported it, maybe, maybe something would have happened. Maybe Magic Mountain would have taken it more seriously and they would not have been injured. King Law, thank you for that important reporting. And those lawyers tell us the lawsuits will likely be filed in the coming weeks. CNN also reached out to Six Flags, which says it won't comment on pending litigation. The X2 ride isn't running right now, although the company is not saying why.

41:50The next hour of the Situation Room starts right now. And happening now, targeted by mistake, ICE agents are accused of roughing up a man who turned out not to be the person they were looking for. How officials are now responding. And IVF mix-up, a couple is taking a fertility clinic to court saying their baby has a different biological father. They are live to explain in the Situation Room. Welcome to our viewers in the United States and around the world. I'm Pamela Brown. Wolf Blitzer is off and you're in the Situation Room.

42:33And we begin this hour with the new video before and after an ICE officer shot a Venezuelan man in Austin, Texas. CNN has obtained this video showing the highlighted car driven by Wilbur Rafael Garces Perez. It was chased by ICE officers and two dark SUVs. It ends a few hundred yards away with the stop and eventually the shots. This is important because the pursuit helps explain a gap of several minutes between the initial ICE stop and the stop that resulted in the shooting. We want to warn you, this next video from an Austin police officer's body cam is disturbing. It shows Garces Perez handcuffed and his shirt being cut away to reveal the gunshot wound near the base of his neck.

43:20An attorney for the man says he was released from the hospital a second time with the bullet still in his back. Today, two Democratic congressmen from Texas are meeting with Garces Perez. Also happening today, an investigation is underway in Illinois after ICE mistakenly targeted a U.S. citizen, detained him, and then left him on the ground with multiple injuries. I want to bring in CNN law enforcement correspondent Whitney Wild, who was in Chicago for us. So what more can you tell us about this case, Whitney? We're still continuing to learn more details about what actually happened here, Pamela.

43:55But what we know now from witnesses from the Department of Homeland Security and from the Evanston Police Department is this. This all unfolded just before 10 a.m. Saturday. The Department of Homeland Security says that there was a targeted operation in the area and agents saw a man who resembled the target of that operation. According to DHS, law enforcement tried to contact that man. They identified themselves as law enforcement. He did not give them identification. He was not cooperative. But DHS is not responding to questions about his injuries and leaving out a lot of detail about why they took the steps that they did, saying only that they relied on their training here and then later left the scene without further incident once the individual finally identified himself.

44:45There's surveillance video here that CNN has obtained. There's also witness video here that captures the aftermath. Neither one of these videos really captures in detail the start, middle and end of this event because it is just challenging to see it all unfold here. But this is what we have right now. So we want to be transparent with the viewers about where our reporting stands at this point. So let me let you listen to the witness video here, which captures the aftermath of this incident. And in this video, you do hear the man saying that he's a U.S. citizen. Let's listen.

45:37later in that video you can hear the man saying to the uh ice officers on the ground there don't Touch me, DHS saying that the man basically refused aid, whatever aid that they were intended to provide from those agents. And then the the agents did leave. The Evanston police that responded spoke with those agents on the ground. They reiterated what DHS has said. And an Evanston police officer saw that there was a federal agent with blood on his hands. That agent also refusing on the spot medical treatment. Witnesses, though, called an ambulance because this man reported that he and injuries to his head, neck and teeth.

46:16So there are continuing to be a lot of questions here, Pamela. Certainly there is a ton of witness testimony. There's witness video there. The Evanston Police Department is continuing to investigate and is doing their best to preserve all of that evidence, which includes that witness video, any potential body camera. And so this investigation unfolds, but this is what we know right now. There's still a lot of questions to be answered, Pam. All right, Whitney Wild, thank you so much. and happening now, growing scrutiny over an ICE-involved shooting in Austin, Texas this week. It is the latest in a string of shootings involving federal immigration agents around the country, some of them deadly.

46:53So we wanted to do a fact check on the Trump administration's immigration crackdown. I'm going to bring in CNN's Priscilla Alvarez, who covers immigration extensively for us. And Priscilla, you've been tracking key numbers on this issue. What can you tell us? Yeah, Pamela, as you described it, it has been an aggressive immigration crackdown, and that has also led to some forceful tactics and as we've seen shootings. So let's walk through some of the numbers here. We look at shootings. There have been 21 shootings during the president's second administration by DHS agents. What does that mean? ICE agents and U.S.

47:27Customs and Border Protection. When we break down the 21, you get eight people who were killed, 13 who were injured. Now, when we've asked DHS about these numbers, they say that their agents are trained in de-escalation tactics and that they are also trained on use of force. But the reality here, too, is that the tactics appear to be more aggressive as they also ramp up immigration arrests nationwide. And where is that? So when we look at the map and we look at where these shootings have happened, you have many cities here. You have Biddeford, Maine. Remember that happened earlier this year when a delivery driver was shot and killed by an ICE agent.

48:07You also have Minneapolis. These colors, the red and the light pink, those are non-fatal shootings for the red and fatal shootings for the light pink. We also have Chicago, Phoenix, Los Angeles. A lot of these places are going to sound familiar to viewers because it is in these cities where these crackdowns have manifested, where agents have taken people into custody and in some of these cases in the process of doing so have shot them and in other cases killed them. Houston another and of course Austin this week bringing all of this again to the forefront, Pamela. And tell us more, Priscilla, about the eight people killed in these DHS shootings.

48:42Yeah, so we have the eight here. Again, for viewers, a lot of these faces may look familiar. Let's talk about Joanne Sebastian Duran Guerrero. He was killed in Biddeford, Maine earlier this year. Now, the DHS account of that was that there was a targeted operation, that they were pursuing him, and that for fear of public safety, they discharged his weapon, the ICE agent. Eyewitness accounts also conflicted with that. Lorenzo Salgado Araujo, he was in Houston. He was shot and killed. Similar situation, there was a pursuit happening with a vehicle. DHS said he did not listen to verbal commands. whereas the passenger of the vehicle, because it was not just him, there were other passengers in the vehicle who survived, said that that was not the case.

49:31Notable here, these two at the very least earlier this year, those were about vehicle stops. And there was a moment in time where the Department of Homeland Security paused at least some of those stops because it led to these shootings. And then remember, President Trump quickly overturned that and made clear that that was going to continue because, again, it is a critical part of their strategy. And of course, you also of Renee Goode, Alex Preddy in Minneapolis, among others. Family members, Pamela, were on the Hill just yesterday in public testimony saying how frustrating it has been for them, not only, of course, that their family members were killed by federal agents, but also that the Department of Homeland Security, they say, falsely provided an account of what happened, and it has been hard for them to get answers and for there to be oversight into these killings, Pamela.

50:16And what kind of uptick have we seen in President Trump's second term compared to his first and Biden's in between? So we have the numbers here in terms of who is getting arrested. And interestingly, this is what Republican Maria Salazar talked about in her campaign ad that made shockwaves because she talked about how there are more people who do not have criminal convictions or a criminal record, I should say, that are being swept up in this crackdown. And the numbers bear that out. So follow the red line here. This is other immigration violations. In other words, no other criminal record. Look at how it spikes under Trump.

50:51Now, if you look at pending criminal charges and criminal convictions, that's also increasing, but not as much as these other immigration violations. And that is where there has been some debate among Republicans about what this crackdown means and looks like. At the beginning of the Trump administration, it was about public safety and national security threats. The administration says that is still the case. However, we are also seeing more of those with just immigration violations. Now, I want to take a moment for you to listen to Secretary Mark Wayne Mullen and what he said on CNN last week before, of course, the Austin shooting.

51:28Here's what we know when we entertain somebody in ICE is that it's usually a fight or flight every single time because they know they're going to jail and they know they're going to be deported. That's why so often you see individuals trying to get away. We are going to we're going to restrain them and whatever that level is we try not to escalate it But we have to match whatever resistance they're having Now I do want to note that in talking to my sources current and former homeland security officials That's been a reality they have faced for a long time However with more pressure and with more fear in the community about how some of this has escalated It has led to an increase in shootings some of which even officials within the department wonder why they happened to begin with.

52:09Priscilla Alvarez, thank you. Really important reporting there. And still ahead, two University of Mississippi students are found dead. The potential clues found at both scenes. And a notorious group of hackers hit the FBI. The information that could have been stolen, you're in the Situation Room, and we'll be right back.

52:34Happening now, a high-profile custody battle between a California couple and a surrogate mother has made its way to the Supreme Court. I want to bring in CNN Chief Supreme Court Analyst Joan Pascupic. So, Joan, walk us through this case and what the Supreme Court is saying. Sure. It's a very compelling case on a human level. For the Supreme Court, on a legal level, not so much. But let me tell you what happened. A surrogate mother, McKenna West, a nurse from Alaska, signed a surrogacy contract with a couple in California to carry their child. And medical tests detected during the pregnancy that the fetus had a nearly fatal heart defect.

53:16So under the terms of the surrogacy contract, the genetic parents wanted her to abort the child. She did not want to and she went to Texas where she actually had the baby. Meanwhile, the parents then go to a California court and the California court declares that they have custody. This is their child. They can make all the decisions related to care. The parents then went down to Texas to be with the child who was then born and was hospitalized and has already had one surgery but what the surrogate mother did was she wanted first of all she was fighting in the California court on the the custody issue but also mainly what she wanted was a say in the care of this this child and a Texas court said no the California court was saying no and she then was appealing to the Supreme Court and the reason it went to Justice Elena Kagan is because she is responsible for dilemmas from the California region where this started.

54:21And both sides made filings, but within just a matter of hours after they all came in, Justice Kagan on her own rejected this. There was no recorded dissent, no explanation. And I think the signal there, Pamela, was as much as this, as I said, was a very compelling human case, it was not a case of federal law for the Supreme Court. It was a matter of state dispute. It had been resolved by a California court, and the surrogate mother was trying to get some sort of due process from the U.S. Supreme Court, and the signal—no written explanation, no recorded vote—the signal was, this is just not a matter for us to decide.

55:00As I say, a very difficult case. The boy, the little boy, is still surviving, but apparently it's very difficult, and And he will require many more surgeries if he does live. Wow. John Buskiewicz, thank you so much. And later this hour, we're going to talk with a couple suing a fraternity clinic over an alleged sperm mix-up. Up next, we've been hearing about the warnings around AI, doomsday, arresting humanity, and so on. It's enough to give us all some AI anxiety. So how do you cope with it? We're going to ask a therapist ahead.

55:42Happening now, a controversial supplement is at the center of investigations into the deaths of two students at the University of Mississippi. Their bodies were found on Monday, one on campus, the other in the city of Oxford. CNN's Isabel Rosales is following this story, so tell us more about this investigation and where it stands, Isabel. Pam, law enforcement officers found packaged kratom at both of these separate death investigation scenes. Now, kratom is an herbal extract that can produce opioid or stimulant-like effects, depending on the quantity that you take. But if taken too much of it is taken, it can also lead to poisoning, things like a heart attack, hallucinations, vomiting, and much more.

56:26So this is why law enforcement is warning students to stay away from kratom and any other substances not prescribed. Now, having said that, it's also important to note here that the lead agency is stating that it's unclear how these students died. It is simply too early to tell that right now, that they have no confirmed evidence connecting both of these deaths to students at Ole Miss. And they cannot say whether kratom itself or a different substance was a contributing factor to their deaths. Listen now to how students on campus are reacting. We didn't think to come back to such sad news of losing two classmates.

57:04We have so much life ahead of us. College is supposed to be where we grow and gain new experiences. It's not supposed to be where our lives end. The two students have not been identified. Oxford police have not given us any details as to their age or their gender. And our affiliate, WAPT, in speaking with the coroner's office, has been reporting that the autopsies are in the process of being scheduled. And you mentioned that one student was found on campus. A different student was found dead off campus. Pam. I just want to be clear, how regulated is Kratom? Can anyone just go into a gas station and buy it?

57:40It can be very, very common to find. It really depends on the state and local government. In Mississippi, the drug is not illegal to sell to anyone that is over the age of 21. But in the actual town of Oxford, they have a local ban on the selling of kratom. So it's important for parents, for anyone even considering this stuff, to really take a look at the laws and find out more about it. But again, we don't know what led to these two students' deaths. We'll be asking for more details. All right, Isabel Rosales, thank you so much. And just ahead here in the Situation Room, it is any parent's worst nightmare.

58:14She was the mother, but her husband was not the father of their daughter as they had initially planned. and they learned it after the baby was born through IVF, where the fertility clinic went wrong.

58:32They could cause extreme havoc, for example, hacking critical infrastructure, building extinction-level bioweapons. There's a lot of ways that the AI could actuate itself in the world. So that's former anthropic researcher Jacob Coxon sounding the alarm and sending the debate on AI safety into overdrive. Jeffrey Hinton, the so-called godfather of AI, tells CNN it could already be too late for a kill switch to keep the technology under control. AI itself getting much more intelligent and taking over, AI taking control. A kill switch is no good for that because the AI will be much better than people at persuading people of things.

59:15And amid these grim predictions, a new CBS YouGov poll finds 52 % of people surveyed think AI models probably or certainly will harm humans on their own. It has made anxiety over AI very real. Dr. Tracy Foose joins us now. She's a psychiatrist and anxiety specialist. And, you know, if there's one thing I know about anxiety, Dr. Foose, it's that uncertainty can really feed it, right? There is so much uncertainty around AI right now. And now you have these predictions that it could lead to the extinction of humans by the end of the decade. What is your advice for people grappling with this anxiety right now?

59:58Well, first of all, Pamela, thank you for having me on. This is such an important topic. But I love that you started with uncertainty. I love that you differentiated that anxiety is something we experience as an emotion when we're feeling uncertain about threat. And we contrast that with fear, which is what we feel when we know the threat is certain. When we're at war, there's a pandemic and it's killing people we know and we could be next. AI is different. AI brings up so much uncertainty. and AI as a threat is something that we can't really distinguish. Is this a threat? Is it not a threat? We're hearing so many different messages about the threatening nature of AI and also how AI could save humanity, sometimes from the same people shifting their viewpoint quickly over time.

1:00:54So what do we do about this as consumers, as humans, as inhabitants of planet Earth? I think the first thing is just to name what we're feeling and why we're feeling it, which is we don't know if this is a threat. We don't know when it would come if it were to be a threat. And all of that uncertainty is actually useful information. Our anxiety is useful information about the nature of this particular challenge. I think so, too. Just putting a label on it and saying, okay, that's just me not being able to predict the future and having that certainty. The brain does not like when we have that kind of uncertainty and that sort of feeling of lack of control.

1:01:41You know, you have this big existential concern, this threat, this anxiety. but what would you say to someone who's scared that AI could take away their job?

1:01:53I think we have to face the reality of that. So again, this anxiety is important information. And I think we want to listen to this kind of anxiety and say, what is it trying to tell us? It's trying to tell us we cannot predict the future, to your point, but that we should prepare for some of the possible predictive options that we've heard from a variety of different sources, that we should start to think about how we AI-proof our future as both consumers but employees. In my case, I have three daughters, so I'm thinking about how do I AI-proof their lives as a mother? How do I talk about how to prepare to be a useful, productive, employed human being in an uncertain future?

1:02:47And what might that look like? Yeah, like what you would have recommended for your kids 10 years ago probably looks very different now in terms of what career path they should go down, right? Could not be. I'm thinking about it too. My kids are, you know, little kids are still in elementary school. There is a lot of concern about how AI chatbots affect kids. CNN's Dr. Sanjay Gupta actually compared it to ultra processed foods, and I'd love to get your take on this. Let's listen. If you start to think about AI chatbots in the same way, they can be endlessly engaging, addictive to some extent, but more importantly, I think what a lot of people kept telling us was, what are you not getting instead as a result of that AI chatbot conversation?

1:03:31You're not getting that human connection, you're not getting eye contact, you're not getting shared laughter. So how can we teach our kids to use AI responsibly? Oh, it's such a great question. I think that Dr. Gupta brings up a really great point about how satisfying it can be, how addictive it can be to engage with AI. And I think we want to talk to our kids about that particular risk. We also want to talk to them about what AI does to our sense of reality, that it makes it more difficult for us to decipher what is real from what is unreal. And we can be very satisfied by unreal things, visual things, animals jumping on trampolines, so that we start to actually lose a sense of the reality of the physical world we live in.

1:04:31That gets a little bit warped. And I think we're starting as parents to actually grieve the loss of things for our kids, but we never anticipated grieving. Reality in particular. And then just that freedom to not be so sucked in by a thing that really knows how to predict and manipulate human behavior. I mean, it has a cheat sheet. It has the whole internet, has the whole of human knowledge to kind of decipher how to predict and manipulate us. Maybe I'm making that sound more dreadful and Machiavellian, but. On that note, even more anxiety. No, I'm just kidding. But no, it's true. It's like if you have social anxiety, for example, you might find more comfort in talking to an AI bot that, you know, isn't judging you in the same way you worry about people judging you and that kind of thing.

1:05:23and think about kids as they're going through different phases of life and the challenge that this could present. So an ongoing conversation for sure. Dr. Tracy Foose, thank you so much. Thank you. And coming up, IVF issue. We're going to talk with a Florida couple who say that their fertility clinic used the wrong sperm. So who is their baby's biological father?

1:05:54Happening now, a couple in Jacksonville, Florida is suing a fertility clinic. They allege the facility used the wrong sperm sample during IVF treatment. Natalie and Joshua Strong say that their mix-up means their baby daughter has no biological relationship to Joshua. The Strongs join us now along with their attorney, Rob Marcero. Good morning to all of you. Joshua and Natalie, thank you so much for coming on to talk about this. Joshua, first to you, tell us more about how you figured out your daughter didn't have your DNA.

1:06:31So, well, initially, after she was born, I guess within a day, they told us her blood type. And I pretty much knew immediately that something was messed up at that point. And Natalie, you had just given birth then. How did you feel when you realized this? Dread. I was worried and confused. I didn't know how that would be possible with all the stuff we've been through for the last few years. Tell us more about that, what you have been through over the last few years natalie uh well we started in 2023 um our ibf process and um having a biological child together and after one failed attempt and multiple injections and hormones and medicine more we finally got our beautiful baby girl and it was the best day of my life and once the Josh told me that her blood type did not match ours um it kind of ruined the whole moment for me I mean I was still happy I had her and I love her more than anything in the world but to hear that right after you have your baby is devastating yeah Joshua how has it been for you

1:08:12well you know uh obviously i love her tremendously and i'm so happy that we have her you know but uh you know i you know i said before it's a it's a it's a struggle you know with a lot of different emotions you sometimes you just don't know when to place them you know so i don't really know how to describe, you know, what the feeling is, you know. That's so understandable that you have that mix of emotions. And Rob, I'm going to get to you in just a moment, just on like the bigger picture of all of this. But I did want to follow up with you, Joshua and Natalie, just to ask, what is your, do you have a plan to tell your daughter about this when she's old enough?

1:09:01And if so, how do you explain that? Whichever one of you wants to take that on. We do plan on telling her. Eventually, I think she'll kind of find out, you know, different hair color. And it's hard to keep from your daughter. You know, when they go throughout school, they want to know their genetics. They want to know their history and their background. and we do eventually want to tell her when she's old enough to understand and hopefully she knows that we're parents and we're enough for her. Rob, to bring you in this conversation as their lawyer, y 'all are suing this fertility clinic, what have you learned about how this could have happened?

1:09:50Well, the lawsuit has only just been filed and that's the whole point. We have been in touch and in contact with Brown Fertility for almost a year in an effort to try to reach a resolution, to try to get answers. And we've gotten nothing. And so finally, we've had to take the extraordinary step of filing a lawsuit. And that's the whole point of this, to try to get those answers, to find out what happened, whose sperm was used, what happened to Joshua's sperm. How on earth could a horrific mistake like this occur? And up till now, Brown Fertility has said nothing. There is a spokesperson with this clinic who denied this claim to a Jacksonville news affiliate and said they wouldn't be commenting while the matter is in litigation.

1:10:43So what I hear from you, Rob, is that you all don't have any answers, even as to who's the biological father here, right? Nothing. We've been told nothing. But now we'll have an opportunity to get those answers and to hold this fertility clinic accountable. So Josh and Natalie, IVF treatments can sometimes yield multiple embryos. I wonder if you have any extra and whether you know the incorrect sperm sample was used or what's going on on that front? And if you plan to try for another child? We do have extra. This has put further family development on hold. I am getting older and I don't know how much longer I can go through the process of that again.

1:11:42and we're really happy with our daughter we have now. We love her to death and we couldn't imagine not having her in our lives. But again, we have no idea whose sperm was used on the remaining three embryos. We don't have any clue. Do you have an interest, Josh, in finding out who the biological father is and even perhaps telling him about this? I have an interest in finding out what our baby's genetic history is for her health reasons, but further than that, no. What about your sperm, Josh? I mean, do you have any idea if it was used in this mix-up? So that's one of the other questions that we're trying to get.

1:12:37You know, we have no idea. if they still have it, if they've used it elsewhere, if there are other potential children somewhere, we have no idea. And have you moved your embryos away from this clinic?

1:12:57I think our lawyers are in the process. Yeah. Rob, go ahead if you want to take that on. Sure. They are currently still with the clinic. We are in the process of having those moved. Okay. Let me just follow up with you just big picture, Rob. So your colleague, Benjamin Aikuda, says that these sort of mix-ups are happening more frequently. You're also representing a couple who received the wrong embryo transfer. This child has no biological relationship at all to the parents. Do you have any idea why we're seeing these kinds of fertility mix-ups right now? Like why, has there been an increase in your view?

1:13:38Yes, there has. And there's a simple reason. Fertility medicine has become big business. For a lot of these clinics, it's no longer about the medicine. It's about making money and churning through as many patients as you can, almost like a fast food restaurant. And when clinics are trying to maximize profits, they end up cutting corners. And that leads to understaffing to unqualified personnel, lack of training, lack of quality control, and you end up having catastrophic results like this. And we see it across the country. I handle cases in almost every state where incidents like this are happening.

1:14:20And a lot of them don't make the headlines, don't make the news, because clinics will end up settling them pre-lawsuit and then want confidentiality. So there's a lot more out there than people even realize. Wow. And I would just encourage anybody who is considering fertility to be very careful and really do your research and really do your homework and make sure you are with a clinic that's going to give you the best care and not treat you like just a number. Rob Marcero, Natalie and Joshua Strong, thank you all so much for coming on and I wish you all the very, very best. Thank you. We'll be right back.

1:14:59Thank you.

1:15:03Welcome back. Well, it is not your average coffee table book. Astrophysicist Neil deGrasse Tyson's Lost in Space, 5 ,000 Facts for Navigating the Universe should help us understand our world and beyond. Like, did you know that 100 trillion neutrinos pass through your body every second? I hope I pronounced that right. I'll get corrected soon. Those are subatomic particles. And if you weigh 150 pounds here on Earth, you'd weigh 380 pounds on Jupiter, thanks to the gravity difference. So let's strike Trip to Jupiter off the old bucket list. And now joining us is Neil deGrasse Tyson. Was that on your bucket list?

1:15:42I don't know, Neil. Good idea there. So this book, I'm so excited to gift this because I think it's also like a great gift for people who are really into space and all of this stuff. What made you decide to write this and how did you come up with these 5 ,000 facts? Yeah, so I looked at the end when we finished compiling it. I realized there were no more facts left in the universe. Nothing at all. You've already figured it all out. Every single one of them. So the difference is, of course, you can Google facts. But what has happened here, this is, by the way, this is a collaboration with my StartTalk podcast and National Geographic books.

1:16:21And like I always say, National Geographic doesn't know ugly. Okay. This book is striking. It's beautiful. It's beautiful to behold. And, yes, it would sit on a coffee table. But once you pick it up, you don't want to leave it. And I think I'd say that even if I didn't write it. So the facts are shaped in a way that means something to you, that you'll never forget it. Like you learn that Saturn's average density is less than water. I could give you the numerics of that, or I could tell you if there was a bathtub big enough, Saturn would float in the bathtub and all the other planets would sink.

1:16:57I knew that as a kid because I was a geeky kid, and I wanted a Saturn, instead of a rubber ducky, I wanted a rubber Saturn to play with in the tub. A rubber Saturn, okay. So there's just thousands of these. And you said it'd be for the space enthusiasts, but I think it's for anyone, because the goal here is to reignite your flames of curiosity that we all had as children. Looking at an image of Jupiter there, do you know Jupiter has blemishes bigger than Earth? Okay? Just things, you know, the big red spot, you can fit several Earths across that. There's a galaxy that, I think that's a sombrero galaxy.

1:17:37These are different images that are throughout the book all related to the content that is being displayed. These are two galaxies colliding. That's an interesting fact. We're on a collision course with our neighbor Andromeda. I have that on my calendar. That's going to happen in five billion years. So watch for that. Oh, my goodness. All right, we'll watch for that in five billion years from now, for sure. Okay, so I have to ask you, because it's just a reminder that we're just like a little speck in one galaxy out of billions of galaxies. Putting this book together, did it sharpen your belief in whether or not aliens exist?

1:18:09No, so I'm waiting for just better evidence, really. There's a little section where we talk about aliens. And it's interesting that Hollywood aliens tend to always be humanoid. I'm a little disappointed by that because, as I've said, and it's in there, that humans and bananas share 25 % identical genes. So if you're an alien coming from another planet that has no genes at all or DNA with nothing in common, it should look at least as different from humans as humans and bananas look from each other. That is a fair point. Yeah, I think so. I've never thought about that before. Yeah, no, I don't want bananas crawling out of a flying saucer, but that would be weird.

1:18:52But they should look, be imaginative, Hollywood. Come on now. Yeah, like something we can't even predict. All right, that's so fascinating. Cannot wait to dive through all of this. Neil deGrasse Tyson, thank you so much. Thank you. And thank you all for joining us this morning. You can keep up with us on social media at Wolf Blitzer and at Pamela Brown-CNN. We'll see you back here tomorrow morning and every weekday morning at 10 Eastern for two hours. Inside Politics with our friend and colleague, Dana Bash, starts right now. Have a great day.

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