Mo Salah's FINAL ACT... Why Turkey?

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0:35Mark Goldbridge:nadam wasn't kind of doing that whole oh no i don't know what's going on i don't listen he doesn't i mean you know so that's good

0:45i don't know if you saw the turnout at the airport and then the stadium for him that's why this transfer is exciting as a former player but also somebody like you guys has watched salah you can see how good he can be when he feels loved. Not only is he going to be loved, he's going to be worshipped. It's a 34 million euro contract. He's going to get close to a 50 % rise of what he was earning at Liverpool, which is really good for him at this age. I'll say.

1:24hello welcome to the sports agents hi gabby hi nadam i would imagine there is there is a sense of excitement as you get ready to do your athletics i'm talking to you gabby and hosting it unless nadam's unless nadam's been a late a late entry no i've been scrutinizing the schedules

1:42Mark Goldbridge:and I haven't seen an over 35s. Hey, don't be like that. Don't be like that. Don't be like that. I unfortunately haven't been able to reach the standard this year because I've been busy this summer with football. But in future, I will attempt to put some markers down and maybe I could make Team GB. Who knows? It's never too late, is it? Three-legged race is definitely going to be on the schedule for a future championship. I'm sure. Oh, dear. It is. It is. Honestly, I sit here now. I am like a little bit kind of that Christmas Eve feeling. I'm so excited about this week. The last time we broadcast and did a big athletics meet from the Alexander Stadium in Birmingham was the Commonwealth Games in 2022.

2:21Mark Goldbridge:Is that right? Yeah, of course. And that was a real success in terms of packed out stadiums. I think we're going to see that this week. And I feel like there's a bit of a thirst around for something. I know football has started, but I feel like we'll get a good audience this week. Good. We will talk Mo Salah and his move to Turkey a little bit later on. And also, I mean, if that doesn't whet your appetite and want to keep you listening, we're also testing Nadam's transfer window knowledge after you admitted you paid no attention to anything. I've seen your list that you have to respond to and I think you're going to be okay.

3:00Mark Goldbridge:I'm going to give you 80 % ahead of it. 80 %? Okay. All right. As long as I'm 100 % when the season starts, everything will be okay. All right. Why are you giving him, Why are you giving him teasers? I mean, Clive Myrie doesn't do that on Mastermind before doing a special. He won't do it anymore, Clive Myrie, because it's gone, hasn't it? Celebrity Mastermind. I just have confidence in Nadim. I think he's one of those people that, you know, he doesn't like to brag, doesn't like to boast. And he's like, yeah, he'll be fine. We'll soon see. Okay. I'm giving him false hope. Yes, the big set up. Okay.

3:38sure sure sure let's talk the European Athletic Championships then that begin in Birmingham tonight you can watch it across well do you know you do your own plug Gabby because you will you will know channels and when it's on so

3:53Mark Goldbridge:well as we record this the coverage starts 10.30 on BBC 1 and all morning sessions will do that they'll be on BBC 1 and then in the evenings we start on BBC 2 at 7 and then at 8 o 'clock we come on for the next two hours so it's wall to wall live athletics across the BBC sports website, Vive Live, the app. So you'll be able to keep in touch with this tournament all the way through to Sunday. Great. Let's bring in Jenny Meadows then, former European champion, Olympic winning coach. And here she is. And of course, tonight, colleague of mine as well, Jenny. We're multitasking, aren't we? Yeah, well, you are.

4:31Mark Goldbridge:I mean, you know, you have a lot going on. You spin a lot of plates. I do spin a lot of plates. It's going to be really crazy, these championships. You know, I looked at the timetable and Trevor and I want as many athletes from M11 Track Club to qualify for the Europeans. But when I actually looked at the logistical challenge, we've hardly got a session off. So we're going to have to manage our energy this week. On that then, are there situations where you can't be in two places at the same time? or are you able is there enough leeway for you both to be able to manage every athlete that you do manage every athlete you know a prime example that we we shared was during the world indoor championships earlier this year and keely and georgia for example both had their finals i think they were 31 minutes apart so i had to make the decision okay i'm going to be in the warm-up then i'm going to go to the stadium and watch georgia and trevor just couldn't watch her he had to stay with Keeley you know he had to warm her up he didn't want to know the results he didn't want Keeley to see the result or any sort of emotion on his face so yeah he watched it back later obviously it was a gold medal but it was great but live sport is amazing isn't it and you want to be there for that moment and the women's 15 was such a dramatic race so Trevor knew the results before he managed to watch it back so felt a little bit sorry for him at times but at the end of the day you do it for the athletes not for yourself i was going to just dig into m11 a little bit actually and your setup because your husband trevor from the outside he does the kind of executing of the sessions and um and while he might not write every session he is kind of more hands-on on the track and i've just saw this brilliant 10 minute kind of mini doc which guys you've got to see this honestly if you ever want to see kind of lactic in action it's an amazing amazing little video and and you and you you are there with you know way more than just the kind of pastoral and organizational care but you you seem to kind of wrap everything around the athletes and now as you said in this documentary this mini doc that you're able to bring in sports scientists for the first time and you're kind of orchestrating all of that but you started from really humble origins so just explain to us how you got going as a group and also how the funding works for this group yeah it's so interesting you know there's not many athletes you know you've got the Usain Bolt of you know there was only one Usain Bolt you've probably got Mondo Diplantis who obviously transcend the sport and they make a you know a lot of money but most athletes you know they're they're surviving you know you'll see a lot of athletes at the European Championships this week and you know they're probably only making an average wage but obviously they're trying to fulfill their career goals.

7:20So I feel like I've been through that mindset as an athlete myself and you don't expect much and that is the it's a shame sometimes in track and field that that is your mindset but it was just a couple of years ago and you know Trevor's been coaching 25 years or so and you know he's really humble he can't take any sort of praise and I'd after my athletics career I'd gone back to university done a master's in sports marketing and never knew when I was going to use that. But all of a sudden, I said to Trevor, you know, this success that we're having with the athletes, it can't just be Trevor and Jen's group.

7:55You know, you need to name it and you need to brand it. So the world knows what we're about. And we decided to call it M11 Track Club, because M11 is the postcode of where we train in Manchester. And we're really proud of our northern roots. And yeah, all of a sudden, we were just, you know, setting things up on social media trying to show people behind the scenes because you know that mini doc will show it's not fun most days you see the glamour you know I still think of Paris Olympics with Keely coming down that home straight she was in the prime physical fitness you know a blonde hair flowing it looks great but you'll see her on that little mini doc with yeah a her completely soaking wet an umbrella over her and if I'm not mistaken I think we just left the umbrella and went and sheltered ourselves we were like let her just quit with what she's going

8:49Mark Goldbridge:through right now and yeah at one point at one point trevor says get her off the track bundle her off bundle her off and she's literally kind of ushered off she can't walk her legs are full of lactic she looks like she she might throw up at some point i mean it is it is brutal i think they call it warts and all jenny oh it is warts and all and you know we're really prepared to show people that because it is hard and I think people have really got behind that and realized you know how how hard this sport is and the journey is and Trevor and I are really humble people and we don't like to ask for much but all our athletes are sponsored by Nike so you know bit by bit I've kind of been like oh we'd love a little bit of help of this or if we had this we could be this much better it's a very special unit you've got world-class athletes we've got eight athletes here at the European Championships but really importantly they're the right athletes because sometimes we are asked could you take on this athlete you know these are their credentials but if they're not the right character and they're going to take too much from the group and you know not really add value we're not afraid to say no now we're in the past we might have gone oh this will be great for building the group up so it's a real kind of fine balance between world-class athletes developing athletes but also the right characters yeah firstly i've got to say jenny m11 chappers you'll love this as well it's the it's a brilliant postcard some great stadiums around there you know what i mean some real success across both tracks it's a place you need to see chappers it's truly truly incredible but what i wanted to say jenny from your standpoint with the marketing brain that you have how important is it that the athletes are essentially of a world-class standard because the idea of M11 track club I think it makes perfect sense in this moment with some of the visibility the behind the scenes stuff and for somebody like myself who maybe is in a bubble to consume all types of digital content like this I also see like star athletics pure athletics Noah Laos Kenny Bednarek Josh Kerr but what these guys all have in common is they're competing for the biggest and best medals in track and field do you think what you're doing is possible on say maybe the next step down to almost be aspiring athletes in that sense or do you think it's something that can only exist at the top no i love that idea about it being you know filtered down the next level because i think seeing that journey is so so important and actually we have so many messages from that kind of next generation saying oh it's actually really nice to see you guys are just doing the same as us you know like gabby said it is warts and all we you use a you know public access track you know we've not got exclusive rights to the track at all anyone can pay i don't know three pounds whatever it is on the desk and they can come and they can come and use the track and you know they get to see world-class athletes working hard it's absolutely no different from grassroots to the top guys in the sport of athletics where's the bit though jenny where it gets hard for an athlete i'm talking about you know it being sustainable and and finance the financial side of things you know grassroots obviously makes a lot of success elite makes a lot of sense as well where where is that where is that bit in the middle where where it's very difficult because i'm guessing it's you want to be professional you could be professional and yet i'm talking as an athlete here and yet the funding isn't necessarily there and in in that bit in between yeah it is really difficult I mean I've got to say it has changed for the better um it's 10 years since I've retired and I feel like the sport is in a much better place now but if I use my own example I finished university and I got a part-time job so you know there's a lot of athletes in our training group now who have got small contracts so they've not had to do that I think it was the 2007 world championship so I was 26 by that point so from 21 to 26 I was making GB teams I was going to world champs Europeans world indoors world outdoor champs but I was literally needing time off work you know and I was having to make those sacrifices and I just got married Trevor and I literally took a mortgage break and said, you know, you've just got to do this winter.

13:13And if no one will sponsor you, we need to sponsor you by not having to pay the mortgage for, you know, three months, six months. And let's just see if that makes the difference. And, you know, not having to get up at 6am to do a long run, and then be in work at nine, and all of those sorts of things made a huge difference. And then the year after I went to the Olympic Games, the year after I then won a world chance medal so I'm really glad I did that but it was a huge huge risk but thankfully it came off where nowadays I do think some of the brands are picking up juniors you know not giving them huge contracts but having enough money to travel enough money to pay for physio and even maybe something as little as 10 ,000 pounds where you can put petrol in your car and you can pay for little essentials and I think that is the difference now which you know like I say when I was at that stage of my career it was only the people winning medals where the deals were available.

14:11Mark Goldbridge:There is of course kind of a generational there was a big generational shift when national lottery funding came in and allowed athletes to to kind of as you say take a break maybe from a career that allowed you to have rest that you needed allowed you to travel to these tournaments without taking time off work and you know so for a lot of athletes there was an opportunity there wasn't there but that money doesn't cover everything you know winter training camps are so important you know and we see that you know that makes such a difference to athletes when they can can do those kind of high altitude training camps and and groups are you sometimes when you look at your group and you look at the success they're having do you ever say to you can't believe how lucky you've got it keely i mean this this is a different you know what a different setup what could i have done if i'd had m11 in my life when i was 20 years old and i'm always really conscious not to be resentful because if you become resentful you're not doing your job right but there are times where I really have to bite my lip and I think oh my goodness you know I can't believe the comment that you know that athlete's just made for example but no it is it's fantastic that they they literally live four months a year on altitude training camps where again the previous generations were squeezing a couple of weeks somewhere in Europe in a hot location at easter but the game has moved on and you know i'm i'm really really happy and really really proud that you know we've recognized that and we're trying to get ahead constantly so this winter for example m11 track club are employing a performance manager so someone who can kind of i look at football and if you're a footballer you go into your club that morning if you're injured you're not able to train there's someone to kind of you know go and take you off to make sure you do all your skills and drills your rehab where at the moment most mornings we're presented with 25 athletes trevor's having to think on the sport to try and change programs give people different training sessions because they're not able to actually do the track session that we want to have planned and you know it's kind of exhausting that four hours at the track we get in the car on the way home and then we've got to pick our daughter up from from school i'm kind of like ah we survived but you're right jenny jenny honestly these these footballers have someone to do everything for them even even when they retire they they have a have a little group of staffers name names hey listen all i will say is jenny you've obviously been brilliant but you forgot something the price to use that track is actually five pounds and i know that because I do it myself.

16:49So yeah, prices are higher. These are the sacrifices I make to run really slowly on the track.

16:54Mark Goldbridge:Jenny, Jenny, Nadam is a little bit upset that you don't recognise him because he's been doing his drills and his sessions in your eyeline, hoping to get spotted, hoping to get hooked into the M11 club. But obviously you were just focused on Keely and Georgia. This is, to be honest, from my perspective, this is one of the things I find really interesting about athletics is like as Jenny said we are in the same space myself and my friend we're on the track and oh here's Keeley here's M11 track club but also here's Jake Whiteman here's Andy Robertson and all these people and get a chance to see what actual elite athletics looks like because I think when I'm watching from tv and other people because everybody's kind of similar you don't see how impressive it is then all of a sudden you see it and especially with the behind the scenes stuff and you're like okay okay fair enough maybe I couldn't have made it if I just didn't have that injury when I was 15 or 16 that type of stuff but um yeah I was gonna say from your but Nadim just on that before you ask the question what when you watch them then what a white it's a bit like golf okay you can hack around all as much as you want and then you you go to an open or a rider cup or stand behind a tee at the masters and the noise of a professional hitting a golf ball is like nothing else I'd like nothing else you will hear on a golf course that for me is oh my god you're a professional that is the difference so what do you see or hear when you are watching the elite athletes out of interest as an amateur well this is something that i think your uh comparison is similar to me you know the sound of a well-hit ball because you've hit balls that haven't been great that's very true so then when i'm on my side of things and i'm say for example doing drills or doing reps of something like you can hear from a pro athlete the way they even hit the ground how different it can be to other people right the nature and discipline involved in their warmups how much longer it takes than other people and the sort of attention to detail throughout the session the yeah the adaptability and so on and even for example the reps that they're doing like someone in general life but oh this is my 5k time this is it this is that but when you see the speed i think keely says in her videos on youtube that the track for them is for speed whereas most people are looking for like some sort of low level endurance and when you see the speed you realize it's like most people cannot keep up with even one of these reps and they're doing multiples and it's very very impressive I'm humbled by it but I'm also very much in a bubble of people who love the sport and get a chance to see it in real life and I've like I was speaking with Jake Whiteman yesterday for example about what's ahead and that's a really unique and privileged position but the sport itself I think for those that love it you will absolutely love it but for those that don't really understand it or see it enough I feel like they're missing out on something but I don't know how to bridge the two spaces.

19:36Mark Goldbridge:I think the reason though, Nadine, why it always attracts the biggest audience during Olympic games. And it's, you know, the blue ribbon events are kind of like, you know, that men's hundred meters, women's hundred meters. Actually, I think over the last few iterations of world championships and stuff, there were other events. And the 800 meters is one of those that is attracting the eyeballs because world records are coming close to falling. It's the simplicity of athletics that we love, isn't it? That actually you can turn on as a sport and not have any real kind of prior knowledge. You like to know where the benchmarks are, but you can pretty much work it out.

20:08Mark Goldbridge:You know, if you were new to American football, it would be really complicated to watch that game and figure out what was going on straight away. And I think athletics is simplicity is what we love about it. And I think, Jenny, there's been a lot of opportunities over the last few years, or there've been people trying to take opportunities to give the sport another platform, to elevate, you know, the sport in between Olympic cycles and try and sustain that interest. And we know Grand Slam track had best of intentions. It didn't work out in its first iteration. And Michael Johnson just announced the weekend that the athletes have been paid back.

20:41Mark Goldbridge:But I think we've said on this podcast before, Chappas, haven't we, that you have to give credit for trying to do things in the sport, to try and innovate in the sport. Do you think that there is a kind of missing piece to try and get that sustainability in Olympic cycles? And what would it look like for you bearing in mind that athletes don't want to race 365 days a year it's so tough isn't it you know when we when we plan our schedule out every year you know you start the main event and you know i've got to say this year the european champs because we've not got well i'm saying we've not got a global event we have got the ultimate but i think everyone's unsure how that's going to play out so far you know it's a different format you get invited from world athletics there's only So the women's 1500 and men's 1500, it's a straight final.

21:29So there's no qualification round. So I think you do have a year like the European year. You put it in your diary. We had world indoors. We put that in the diary. Josh Kerr's done the opposite. He's had a personal goal. He wants to get that world record. And that has been so interesting. And that has been brilliant for the sport. So he took us on a journey for six months, which was absolutely incredible. And, you know, a month later, we're still all talking about that. So I think moments like that have got to bridge this, you know, global sport. But we have been fortunate. I think we've had five global events in five years, which has been so taxing on the athletes and the coaches, obviously because there was a backlog because of COVID.

22:15But I think it is having new things. You know, Keely and Georgia went to Athlos last year in New York. and I'm trying to be young but their terminology was it was a vibe I mean I don't know really what that means but they had the best time ever let's just say and they loved it and for that now to come to London um is incredible and they're so so excited about that so whether it's a league you know it did seem a really good idea the Grand Slam and Georgia took part in one and said that was great I don't know what it looks like but I do think athletes themselves are important in this storytelling now and that is where the fan base grows and rivalries are important in any sport so going back to what you talked about with Vero earlier how has her arrival and the rivalry with Keeley how is that has that in any way altered your psychological coaching side?

23:17Oh massively you know Keeley was untouchable indoors world record um won the world indoors Vero was second Keeley's first race of the season I don't want to say we were complacent but you know we knew it was you know 12 weeks ahead of the Europeans so we didn't need to to peak for that race you know we're just coming out and she ran a national record you know fastest time of her career first race but she got beaten so all of a sudden you know this european chance is a global championship so that keely's won the past two editions and it's almost been a formality i don't like to say it but she was going to win the last two editions where this time you've got four stars.

24:04Vemka, of course, Vemka Ball has moved to the 800 metres and that's been fascinating to watch. So rivals are important and we've got four women lining up in that women's 800 metres who are ranked the first top four globally and all eyes will be on Birmingham this week.

24:22Mark Goldbridge:Do you think, Jenny, that to win that race you might have to run a world record? It's interesting, isn't it? I mean, Keely has certainly been preparing to make sure she's in career best shape. And I hope nothing goes wrong this week because in Tokyo she had a stomach bug. But she's in career best shape. She's arrived in Birmingham. She took herself off the radar, went to Portugal on a camp. She knows she has to be in career best shape. And whether that's a world record, you just don't know how that race is going to turn out. Is it going to be fast? Is it going to be tactical? so many variables but you know you look at Audrey as well and she's just run can you believe that fire alarm it's classic it's classic hotel Jen 11 o 'clock 11 o 'clock fire alarm test I am so sorry guys okay it wasn't a test I will continue everything we've thrown everything at this podcast today guys and you look at Vero and she's just run 50.8 for 400 meters which is faster than what Keely's run and you know if I do deep in dig deep into Keely's psychology she wanted to be the first athlete since the 1980s to run a 153.

25:38Vero's done it twice beat her to it Keely wants to run 50 seconds she's run 51.1 Vero's gonna run 50.8 so it's almost like you're getting all my goals here it was supposed to be me but ironically I do think that is what Keely needed i think she's needed you know that kind of i don't want to say kick up the bum but keely runs better when there's a challenge for sure so whether it's going to be a world record or not i'm not sure but i think both of those athletes are capable of going pretty close to what world record if if not getting the world record it's all out there jenny isn't it for the taking yep

26:19Mark Goldbridge:fingers crossed oh my god if I would have known that was scheduled I would have gone somewhere else nothing's there it's fine it was only the last couple of minutes right well enjoy enjoy Jenny thank you so much guys thank you for coming on it's been a vibe hasn't it it's been a vibe and Nadeem I've got an idea I think Nadeem needs to do his own behind the scenes app oh god don't give it yes yeah you're doing that Maybe that's the thing. That's great, Jenny. Thank you. Thank you, Jenny. Quick reminder to catch up on our previous episodes on YouTube, Global Player or wherever you get your podcasts.

26:58Mark Goldbridge:And make sure you subscribe or follow and leave us a review while you're there. And up next, we're finding out why Mo Salah is not doing a Ronaldo to Saudi or a Messi to Miami. And also why Nadam does not indulge in football transfer tittle tattle.

27:19Mark Goldbridge:Now, in our previous episode, we learned the shocking news. When it comes to football transfers, Nader Manua is a top line kind of guy. Doesn't dig deep into the weeds. Only record-breaking signings are going to register a blip on his radar. So, Mark and I are going to read out. We've got a little test for you. We're going to read out a footballer's name. And you have to tell us, has that player moved clubs in this window? And if so, where has he gone? It's straightforward. The rules are really simple. And as I said at the very beginning of the show today, I feel you're going to be okay with this list.

27:53Okay. Define okay. 80%. Is that okay?

27:56Mark Goldbridge:80%, yeah. That's more than okay. That's more than okay. How would it? I'd say I have to expect as one of the premier football pundits in the country, I would expect this to be 100 really, Nadam. You've never seen me in that Sky Sports studio with that yellow ticker bar going underneath me talking about transfers, have you? No, I haven't. And you never will. Okay, kick us off, Champions. Right then, are you ready? I think so. I think so, I think so. Luca Dina. He is still at Villa. Strong start. He isn't. He's gone to Paris Saint-Germain. Yeah, there we go. It's a great start. Thank you. Only the double winning Champions League, reigning Champions League and last year's Champions League winners.

28:43Mark Goldbridge:So, yeah. Leandro Trossard. you've just heard this yeah well he's moved to Turkey hasn't he he's just moved to I think it was Bishikta yay you were listening that's really annoying it's so annoying did you have a little rice oil yeah I looked in on that one yeah thank you get in because we had to record this podcast out of sync that is so annoying because I don't think you've got that listen you're assuming I'm listening to the podcast usually as we're talking see that's why I'm impressed listen to the people were interviewed. Rodri. At the time of recording, he's still very much in Manchester at the time of recording.

29:23Correct. Subject to change. Subject to change. Is he? Subject to change. Very much subject to it. An inevitable change, I believe. Yeah. Oh, right. He is at the moment, yes.

29:34Mark Goldbridge:Trevor Chalabar. Gosh. He doesn't know. Trevor, Trevor, Trevor. I was listening to somebody talk about him recently. What? Right. God. He was being linked with a move away somewhere. Well, that might be why he's in this section of whether players have moved or not. But. I mean, Les Dennis doesn't have to explain family fortunes to the contestants, does he? But he's not moved yet. He's still at Chelsea. Gabby. No, you're wrong. He has gone to Como. That was it. Oh, no. See, these are so recent. Oh, my gosh. Two right and two wrong. It's good. It's good. It's good, yeah. Rasmus Hoyland. Rasmus Hoyland.

30:24I'm going to hold my hands up and say I don't have a clue. Do not have a clue. Well, he has permanently joined Napoli, having been on loan there for a year, and that deal has been confirmed during this transfer window. Yeah, yeah. Of course. Of course it has.

30:38Mark Goldbridge:You cannot get 80 % now. No, but 80 % was your measure of it. That was your measure. I acknowledge hearing some transfer gossip around some of these, but just not Rasmus Hoyland. Right. Okay. We've got two more. You're definitely going to get one of them. Go for it. Cody Gakpo. Okay. He's been linked with Spurs, but he's still at Liverpool. Correct. Is that correct? Correct. See, it has to be that way. Liverpool have about 10 players, so they can't really let him go right now. I'll give it a few weeks. And this you will get, which will take you over 50%, because it then links into our next chat.

31:17Mo Salah. Oh, Mo Salah. Where's he going to? Is he going to Istanbul? If I have to think about it. I think he's just moved to Travzon Sport for 17 million a year. Yeah. I'm not sure, though. That's just speculation. Right. Annoyingly. I nailed that. Annoyingly. So over 50%.

31:39Mark Goldbridge:Yeah, and actually, you know what, Chappers? Pre-season. To be honest, Nadam wasn't kind of doing that whole, oh, I don't know what's going on, I don't listen. He doesn't. I mean, you know, so that's good. That's like it is. I think from my side of things with punditories, sometimes it pays to just say, I do not know. Some people will try and blag their way through it. I do not know. But now I know, so thank you. The benefit of the sports agents. And of course, two of those answers Nadam got because we have just done this chat talking about Mo Salah going to Trabzon Spor. The football writer for The Guardian and co-founder of TurkishFootball.com, Emre Saragal, will join us after this.

32:31Emre, thank you very much for joining us. When this move was finalised, How surprised were you? I was very surprised, to be honest with you, because for quite a few weeks, it looked like he was going to Beşiktaş, who are one of the big three Istanbul clubs. Why it surprised me the most is because he went to Trabzon. He picked Trabzon over Istanbul. And I think that's the real story here.

32:59Mark Goldbridge:You were surprised about it that it was Trabzon. And you talk about the Istanbul kind of hold, if you like, on Turkish football and the three big clubs there. And since his transfer, done a little bit more research into Trubzon as a place. I'm pleased to tell you guys it's compared to Newcastle. As a Newcastle United fan, I now have a Turkish club because it's similar in size, but it's also the second biggest port on the Black Sea. Thank you very much. So it's kind of an industrial place. It's not necessarily a pretty place. It's not like going to play football in the south of France or somewhere.