Should fans ever get to VETO a transfer? | Everton's Deadline Day U-Turn EXPLAINED

19:18Nedum:Queen Carvania stood haloed by the morning sun. An army hung on her every word. My champions, I have sold my chariot on Carvana. It was a lovely SUV, an inexplicably queenly offer. They're even coming to the castle to collect it. Tonight we feast. An offer you can feast on. Sell your car today on Carvana. Pick up fees, may apply.

19:50Newcastle sell the spine of their team. They sell some of the most talented players and they get rid of their manager and they bring in a new manager who, while he has won two titles in Austria and is part of the Red Bull group and has learned his trade under the likes of Ralf Rangnick. And he's worked under Thomas Tuchel as well. Very much untested in terms of the level he was stepping into. and I think most realistic Newcastle fans thought this was going to be a longer term project to get this whole thing going and I think it would be churlish if either of you were to try not to say that they have been one of the great surprises of the opening couple of weekends of the season so far.

20:37Nedum:Yeah, okay, after that marvellous intro, Gabby, yes, I will agree with you on this one And I think in some ways, like this Newcastle issue, in my opinion, started from when the players were leaving in the summer. And I think they got battered in the first couple of pre-season games. Felt like vibes were zero. Off the back of a disappointing season last year, relatively speaking as well. And here's this manager that most people don't know much about. And then the signers are coming in. They're younger. You're losing Bruno Gimoresh. You're losing Tonali. You're losing Gordon. You've seen Kieran Trippier move on.

21:07Nedum:And it feels like it's going to be brand new. But to give them credit, in the last two games, the majority of faces I saw on that side are players that we've seen before who are doing a job now which suits them almost even more than it did last season. I think we're seeing a really good version of like Wisser who's one of the eldest statesmen within that team now at 29. And he's seen someone like Alanga who's desperate to like prove a point. Something he did which I can't condone by the way just for the sake of loyalty and like learn what toxicity. I just don't believe in kissing a badge ever even if you support team never do it because that stuff will come and find you at some point.

21:41Nedum:but he did that on the weekend it's a great goal sure sure sure my friend be in the moment but but I liked it because Nico Gonzalez has come in but he's playing alongside Miley he's playing alongside Willock that's familiar the back line has got Tiago and it's got Bottman that's familiar Lewis Hall left back that's familiar I thought Dedic to right back has been doing really really well and then up in front of it it's familiar faces so even though it feels like something brand new is happening there it also feels I think it's the identity of this team that feels so quickly we've been able to work out how you know this is this is how i'm going to play right and he and he's talked about not being wedded necessarily to a certain formation he's wedded to a style of attacking football and how quickly uh they you know they counter which all the stuff i'm saying is the stuff we know that jrgen klopp was schooled in and you know it's an exciting brand of football but you've got to have the personnel to play it haven't you and that and And that's the thing that I think they've fallen, you know, maybe it's not by accident.

22:41It's by design that these players have been brought in, obviously, because some of them he's actually worked with before in the Salzburg group or they've been in that group. Dedic, for example. So, you know, they've recruited very well. But I'm amazed at how quickly they have kind of almost taken to their jobs, you know, and their roles within this.

22:59Gabby:I suppose it's familiar faces, as Nadem says, but familiar faces being given the opportunities. And I'm not saying anyhow didn't give them the opportunities, but I suppose Anilanga did start in that opening game last season at Villa, but Wissler had a terrible pre-season last season because of everything that was going. It's five starts. So, yeah. So proper pre-season, being given opportunities, and the familiarity, I think, and just a fresh pair of eyes. No? Isn't it?

23:35Nedum:Yeah, I think that definitely can be a thing. And again, for me to sum up how much of a change there's been, like, Gabby, you're a Newcastle fan, I think. Sorry if that's off the record, on record, yeah. You've watched Newcastle quite often. The players are dancing after their scoring goals. That doesn't feel like anything I've seen from Newcastle in a long time. But that's the energy that almost exists within that space. And in some ways, it shows how comfortable those players are. So a new manager coming in, and we talk all the time about this whole RB, Red Bull type setup. Well, that features younger players playing high intensity, attacking football.

24:12Nedum:That's the simplest way to describe that. And when you see the way that Newcastle are trying to play, where they are really competitive, they'll go and press really high. They'll try and create as many chances as they can. I think in my mind and obviously I'm comparing best to worst here but the worst version of Newcastle in the last couple of years is one which was the exact opposite of that and at times it was about the fight the fight the fight but too much of an over emphasis on that in my opinion whereas for this and it's the start of the season it's very easy to get to overreact to it but I think you've described it well because we see what the identity is going to be we don't know whether it'll be successful but we see what the identity is going to be which is huge given you know how long Eddie Howe was at the helm You interviewed Yaisley obviously I did yeah Yeah, yeah.

24:52And Wisser, I think, in his post-match said he's the signing of the season, the manager. And when you've got a player saying that about you in your second Premier League match, I mean, you know, there's, as you pointed out to the dancing, he has had an impact as a personality, hasn't he?

25:06Gabby:He has. And also, the other person I would mention here is Ross Wilson, who's Newcastle's sporting director. and in in a summer where it's very difficult going back to our earlier conversation on transfers what some sporting directors are doing as players just seem to get traded here there and everywhere I was just looking at Ross Wilson's um history as as a sporting director he was at Huddersfield he appointed David Wagner at Huddersfield who got them up when he was at Southampton amongst his appointment i mean he had some iffy appointments it's like happened to butler he appointed ralph hassenhutl so again we're looking at the red he likes german speaking but but the red ball the red bull model as well and and he was at nottingham forest for a couple of years i know and my point isn't there with with managers necessarily but at that time he was bringing in a lot of good players at Nottingham Forest.

26:08Gabby:So he's experienced and he took over sort of the October of 2025. Newcastle's issues a lot of last season were the fact, as we've talked about so many times, that Eddie Howe was left on his own without a chief executive, without a sporting director last summer in a really difficult summer. You get the impression that behind the scenes Ross Wilson has probably been planning and managing to where they've got to to cope with any eventuality. and when we did a podcast earlier when Jasler was appointed we talked about then that there'd been an article during the rounds where they sort of position themselves as a bit of a Borussia Dortmund in the Premier League and at the time you could criticise that thinking hang on with all the money you've got and you've been in the Champions League but actually it might be a model that it might be and it's very early days and a couple of injuries and they lost Chau or Bottman We should have seen this coming, because I don't know, Nalim's a bit too young for this, but I know you're not.

27:10Thank you.

27:11Gabby:It's very true. I'm not in the under 35 race. Telling wasn't the same when we were growing up, right? But one of my great Friday night treats in the winter was watching off Wiedersheim Pet with my dad, which was about a group of Geordies who went to Germany to seek their fortune. And now it's in reverse, obviously. Oh, my word. Do you know what our Wiedersheim Pet is?

27:30Nedum:Yeah, I do, to be fair, but I never watched it. Never watched it. It's too late. No. It's too late for me.

27:34Gabby:I had the best theme tune. Had the best theme tune. You know who Jimmy Nail is? Yeah. Yeah, so Jimmy Nail was one of the stars. I mean, actually, when you think about that cast, I can't believe we're going to chat about it. Yeah, Jimmy Nail, Timothy Spore. Yeah, Timothy Spore. Denise Thingy's Welsh's husband. Oh, Tim Healy. Tim Healy. Is that who I meant? Tim Healy. But Timothy Spore was in it, wasn't he? Yes, yeah. Yeah, yeah. And Tim Healy's son is the singer. Lead singer of the 1975. Yeah. anyway those actors in this really low budget where they lived in a shed didn't they on a building site you know which was culturally somehow it kind of got into the mainstream I mean we didn't have any choice we had three channels so we all had to watch it on a Friday night but my point is there's always been this strong link with Germany and it just feels right look at him he's thinking I've got a race I need to get to no no no my parents are sat there talking about no because

28:29Nedum:Because I'm borderline, and I don't know if we cross over here, but my childhood was more of last of the summer wine. Oh. And that's all that type of stuff. So, like, that's...

28:41Gabby:I mean, everybody in the last 70 years has had last of the summer wine with their childhood. I was not expecting that. High synth bouquet and all that stuff.

28:49Nedum:Oh, bucket, yeah, yeah. I remember all that, yeah, from my childhood. Cynthia bouquet. Yeah, Cynthia bouquet. High synth bouquet. Cynthia. High synth bouquet.

28:58Gabby:Have we gone off subject? Well, yeah, I think we've slightly digressed. We've gone into the kind of, you know, I like to spread our tentacles on this podcast and just bring in a little bit of culture occasionally. But back to the identity. The point on Newcastle is it's a brilliant start and it has completely changed the atmosphere around the place and there'll be ups and downs, won't there? I think there will be ups and downs. But in two games, it's taken away the, oh my god we're going to be in for that kind of season and look there may be a few loads but actually it's interesting because i think the obverse of that is the team they played at the weekend who you look at spurs and you think what is your identity and oh my goodness we are going to be in for that kind of season if you're a spurs fan which seems unbelievable given the amount they have spent and the manager that they've had in place for five months yeah of course this is

29:53Nedum:De Zerbe is the veteran of managers this season, isn't he? This season, isn't he? You know what I mean? For how long he's been there. And as a former player now, somebody that sort of has to think about things a bit differently from a media standpoint, one of the biggest lies you're told is that every season is a new season. Because very quickly, if it feels like the old season, then we're continuing that one from the past. You know what I mean? And that's kind of the situation that Spurs do find themselves in. Because there were times where I was watching, I thought, oh, this looks all right.

30:18Nedum:This looks fine. But then, two weeks in a row, the manager's been doing some press conferences which are essentially putting the team very much on the coals or whatever. Oh, the mentality, you can't buy mentality. You can't do this, you can't do that. They don't have this, they don't have that. I'm like, wowzers, it's literally days to go before the window closes and it's already a mini crisis. But also, Nadim, on that is there are so many new players there.

30:44Gabby:How much can last season still be hanging over this season? It can't be affecting Van Hecker or Sanessi or Fernandes or Tonali or Marmouche or Savio. I mean, and there's more to come. It can't. And yet, at times, it still feels like it. And also, some of the messaging from Deserby still feels like a hangover from the end of last season. It should be the opposite.

31:12Nedum:Yeah, yeah. No, I agree. and for those new players, they're arriving there with hope and they're supposed to be part of the difference. You know, this is a Spurs side who a few years ago, you know, qualifying for the Champions League or trying to be in and around that. So they do, in theory, have the potential to be there and, you know, they won a trophy in Europe. Not so long ago, Chappers, as I'm sure you remember. But I think for the new players, one of the issues that they have when they arrive there, brand new, like brand new, is that if something goes wrong, the reaction outside is the same as it always has been.

31:44Nedum:So those players now are being spoken about and they're hearing things which they're not used to hearing. Whereas for everybody else who's been at the club for a long time, these are the things, it's Spursy, it's this, the manager says they've got no mentality. And as a new player, you're not part of that. You're not part of the previous issues. But technically speaking, now you are because people see you the same as they saw everyone that came before, which is a bit of a nasty position to be in as a player. But the only way you can fix that is by winning games of football and essentially doing what they hoped that you'd be able to do.

32:12Gabby:I think they'll be fine. you know what does that mean what does that mean what's fine i think they'll finish in a european position it's an lip it up i think but that could be that could be ninth

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33:04Before we go today, we had Frank Warren on the podcast last week, and I think we were all quite excited about the prospect of Moses at home this weekend and his his attempt to become the second youngest ever boxer to win a heavyweight world title. Of course, it didn't go very well for him at all. And, you know, one of the quotes of the weekend, Steve Bunce said it was an adrenaline dump in the first round that did him in and to be stretched out. And, you know, obviously to go through a horrible experience as he did on the night. We all wish him the best and kind of come back as quickly as possible.

33:34And it was kind of ringing in my ear some of the things that Frank Warren had been saying about how important that fight was for him. because if you're going to lose, you want to lose in a style that shows how great you are as a fighter. And he didn't get to do that, did he? So I just wonder, as a sports person, Nadim, and I know that's very much on your mind right now because you're about to go off and tell them this. Yeah, yeah, go off and impress people. The mental side of coming back from that experience, that chastening experience, you must have been there on the football pitch.

34:00Nedum:Thanks, Gabby, yeah, thank you. Laid out, being carried off on a stretcher. Yeah, being carried off on a stretcher because they've just been beaten so badly.

34:07Gabby:yeah it's happened quite a few times actually here comes another qpr anecdote

34:13Nedum:there we go which one let me go through the rolodex which one should we go to but yeah i think um for myself i'm not massively into my boxing but speaking with frank and sort of knowing this fight's coming up you take more of an interest in it because it's like it's a big moment this huge potential there from a british sporting background not just boxing itself and then for the way for it to finish the way that it did and then for me not knowing the ins and outs of boxing. I can't wait till we have someone on again because, for example, Hergovic is saying after the fight that, you know, he was using up too much energy.

34:43Nedum:I could see that he was tired. I could see this. I could see all that. It's inexperience. But I thought, well, surely you have a corner in boxing that can help you out and give you some sort of like steering that. And I don't know if I'm off base for thinking, well, maybe they should have helped him more. But instead, almost like we're talking about this individual that was almost lost like a deer in the headlights in a ring on such a big occasion. And for him being so young, I'm sure there'll be opportunities in the future for him again. But the way he looked in that final round, I give you a little bit of an insight, Gabby.

35:09Nedum:For as much as I do train athletics, that's exactly how I look crossing the finish line in that movie. So don't expect too much from me either, to be honest.

35:17Gabby:I was listening to Buncey on the radio on Saturday, listening to the fight as I was dad cabbing around Manchester. And they went to Thomas Corner a couple of times and they did say they were trying to tell him to not get carried away. I think probably around six or seven, the instructions were, don't keep following the punch, as in, be happy with the punch that you've hit. This is how I interpreted it, as a rank amateur. Be happy with that, don't get carried away. I mean, having never been in a heavyweight title fight, I would imagine once you've thrown one punch and it lands, it's quite easy to get carried away and keep going, but I don't know.

36:04It was a fight unlike any he'd really had before, obviously because of the scale of it and the opposition, but also because he doesn't go past two rounds normally and knocks out his opponents. And so he was dancing into, you know, an area that he'd never, and he was, he was trying to kind of dance around the ring, take his energy away. But actually he was expanding so much energy in that process, wasn't he? And that's an experience, I guess. It's like asking you today, Nedim, to run through the 100 metre line and keep going for another 300 metres.

36:34Nedum:400 pb yeah it's 400 gaby please i'm having a heart attack here just thinking about that

36:39Gabby:these are some of the worst under 23s in in greater manchester as you've been saying so

36:45Nedum:listen you you are trying to get me cancelled by every group aren't you we've got the fans of football clubs you've got the amateur athletes of greater manchester before you know it i'll just be having to black out my screen and hope that nobody knows ruffling please will you send our whatsapp group the result and your time later just so that we can kind of seal this off because my bank holiday monday won't be the same if i don't know i'll be yeah you'll see it discombobulated you'll see it gabby you'll see it yeah no problem at all no problem at all thanks nadam thank you um it's always good to have something to look forward to on a bank holiday monday uh thank you to mark and nadam and thank you for joining us if you've got any questions you want to have your say or maybe you want to take nadam on in a hundred meter race email us the sports agents at global.com or you can message us at the Sports Agents and we'd love you to subscribe, follow and leave a review.

37:30And we're all back on Thursday.

37:32Gabby:Go Cam, Nadim. Yeah, let's go.

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