The champion tennis forgot: Before Ashe, before Serena, came Althea Gibson - How It All Played Out

5 Nov 2025 · 29 min

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Podcast Episode Summary: The Champion Tennis Forgot - Althea Gibson

Podcast Information

  • Title: The Sports Agents
  • Hosts: Gabby Logan & Mark Chapman
  • Release Frequency: Twice-weekly
  • Episode Title: The Champion Tennis Forgot: Before Ashe, Before Serena, Came Althea Gibson
  • Description: The episode delves into the life and legacy of Althea Gibson, the first Black player to win a Grand Slam title, and explores why her recognition pales in comparison to Arthur Ashe and other tennis legends.

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Key Themes and Discussions

Althea Gibson's Significance

  • Pioneering Achievements:
  • First Black player to win a Grand Slam title (French Open, 1956).
  • Won both the US Open and Wimbledon in 1957 and 1958.
  • Underappreciation:
  • Despite her achievements, Gibson is less recognized than her peers like Arthur Ashe, raising questions about racial and gender biases in sports recognition.

Historical Context

  • Prejudice and Discrimination:
  • Gibson faced blatant racism throughout her career, including being booed at her French Open victory.
  • Highlighted the challenges Black athletes faced, particularly women, during the mid-20th century.
  • Cultural Barriers:
  • The American Tennis Association was exclusively for Black players, emphasizing segregation in sports.
  • The U.S. Lawn Tennis Association (USLTA) barred Black players from national championships until public pressure, including advocacy from Alice Marble, led to Gibson's entry.

Personal Struggles and Resilience

  • Difficult Childhood:
  • Gibson grew up in Harlem, experiencing poverty, abuse, and a tumultuous family life.
  • Her tough upbringing instilled in her a sense of independence and determination.
  • Career Challenges:
  • Despite her victories, Gibson struggled financially and faced obstacles in her post-tennis career, including a lack of professional opportunities for female athletes.

Legacy and Recognition

  • Cultural Impact:
  • Gibson's life story is rich and complex, paralleling the struggles of other Black artists and athletes fighting for recognition.
  • The episode draws comparisons to figures like Nina Simone and Jackie Robinson, emphasizing the intersection of talent and social justice.
  • Modern Recognition:
  • The recent acknowledgment of Gibson's contributions at the U.S. Open speaks to a growing recognition of her legacy, although questions remain about why she isn't celebrated as prominently as Ashe.
  • Calls for a more substantial tribute to her achievements, such as naming a stadium after her.

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Key Takeaways

  • Pioneering Female Athlete: Althea Gibson broke racial barriers in tennis, achieving remarkable success yet remains overshadowed by her male counterparts.
  • Cultural Reflection: The discussion emphasizes the ongoing struggle for recognition faced by Black athletes, particularly women, highlighting systemic issues in sports.
  • Advocacy and Legacy: The episode argues for a reevaluation of historical narratives to include unsung heroes like Gibson, who paved the way for future generations in sports.

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Conclusion This episode serves as a poignant reminder of Althea Gibson's significant role in sports history and the importance of acknowledging the contributions of pioneering athletes who fought against racial and gender discrimination. The narrative not only seeks to educate listeners about her remarkable achievements but also calls for greater recognition and respect for her legacy within the broader context of sports history.

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0:02Paul Hayward:This is a Global Player original podcast.

0:07Mark Pougatch:Arthur Ashe is a name immediately recognisable to every tennis fan and most sports fans for that matter. He was the first black man to win the US Open, the Australian Open and Wimbledon. And the largest tennis stadium in the world, the US Open main court, is named after him. But he wasn't the first black player to win a Grand Slam. That honour went to the New Yorker, Althea Gibson, who won the French Open in 1956, a whole decade before Ash. She also won both the US Open and Wimbledon in 1957 and in 1958. So why isn't Althea Gibson as well known as Arthur Ashe? Why doesn't she have her name up in lights like his?

0:50Mark Pougatch:What's her story? This is how it all played out.

1:04Mark Pougatch:I think Arthur Ashwin in Wimbledon is one of my first tennis memories, mid-70s. But Althea Gibson's name I didn't know for a very, very long time. You actually pointed me and us towards this story. And I'm thinking, what's gone on here? The first black player to win a Grand Slam and then did the double, Wimbledon and the US Open in 57 and 58. How on earth is she not better known?

1:26Paul Hayward:Well, I would argue that Althea Gibson is the forgotten heroine of all sport, all women's sport, not just tennis. So, as you said, she was the first black player to win a major title, Wimbledon and the U.S. Open in 1957 and 58 after the French Open. She got a ticker tape parade through New York City. A hundred thousand people turned up when she won the French Open, by the way, in 1956. She was booed and jeered by the crowd in Paris for the color of her skin. and her life story is a is a movie waiting to be made it is full of incredible talent and pain and childhood trauma and poverty later in life but above all it's it's it's a battle it's a fight against prejudice and discrimination reading her story in more detail mark i thought for some reason of the great american jazz singers you know nina simone or ella fitzgerald those people of that level who who were incredibly gifted at what they did but had to fight and fight and fight every minute of every day to be recognized and to be treated with respect and so the deeper you go into Althea Gibson's story the more you understand why it matters so much well she came from the

2:42Mark Pougatch:streets of Harlem and in the 90s and 20s and 30s Harlem was the was the black capital of the world a very tough place to grow up. Her father beat her, beat her with an ironing cord, so she'd go missing for days at a time, you know, running true. And it was a shambolic childhood on the tough streets of Harlem. She was the queen of the snitches, of the petty thieves. But even though her dad beat her, he also taught her to box. He was a tough mechanic. So you can immediately imagine there, very early on, she learned the streets are my friend and nobody's going to look after me in this world except for me.

3:17Mark Pougatch:I am in control of my own future, my own agency, if you like, because it's this tough out there.

3:23Paul Hayward:Yeah, she was born in 1927 in South Carolina to a sharecropper who, like a lot of black people in that period, moved north in search of freedom and a better life.

3:34Mark Pougatch:Like Jesse Owens' family had done, exactly the same.

3:36Paul Hayward:Exactly. Unfortunately, Arthur Gibson's father thought she could be a boxer and used to take her up to the roof of their tenement building and punch her to cajole her into punching back. It got so bad that she had to take refuge with various child protection agencies. She spilled onto the streets, fell into gangs and delinquency. But it all changed on 143rd Street where she was raised when a paddle tennis court was installed. And the supervisor there noticed her play and her attitude and introduced her to a coach and a club. A man, the tennis coach called Fred Johnson, who had one arm. I like that detail.

4:20Paul Hayward:A tennis coach with one arm. I hope it was a good arm. Sugar Ray Robinson noticed her talent and sort of tried to help her along the way. And eventually Fred Johnson got her into a very swanky club called the Cosmopolitan Club, where she learned the kind of airs and graces that she carried all the way through her career, really. She was a tremendously...

4:41Mark Pougatch:We should say this was a club for the black intelligentsia, wasn't it? Exactly, in Harlem.

4:45Paul Hayward:So it was quite hard to get into. And I think it was there that she saw the gateway to another world, a better life. And if you listen to her speak and you read what she wrote, she was a fantastically self-educated and articulate woman just looking for a chance in life.

5:02Mark Pougatch:Not surprisingly, given it's the 1950s, the American Tennis Association is just for black tennis players. And she absolutely dominated it. She lost the first final. But then after losing the first final, two black tennis coaches spotted her. They were like sort of unofficial scouts for the ATA in a way to find black players to unlock the doors of the all white USLTA. So this was the aim to get a black player to be able to play effectively at the US Open. And these two gentlemen called Dr. Robert W. Johnson from Virginia. So in the north. And there's a point about the geography. and Dr. Hubert A.

5:39Mark Pougatch:Eaton from the South, from North Carolina. So she'd sort of spend time in the North and time in the South. And of course, the time in the South is the height of segregation, the Jim Crow laws, as they said. But all the time, Dr. Johnson is training her and others in etiquette because they're saying to her, white people are looking for a reason to think you can't behave yourself. So I'm going to train you about how to hold a knife and fork and how to hold yourself because we can't give them an excuse to say, you don't know how to behave.

6:10Paul Hayward:Oh, absolutely. And it's worth saying that the National Tennis Association in 1950 was closed to black people. She could not play in the national championships. There's another hero to this story. She's called Alice Marble. She was a former tennis champion. She'd been world number one Wimbledon champion in 1939 and a four-time winner of what is now the US Open. Now, she stood up for Althea Gibson. She wrote this immortal letter to the association. and I'll read an extract for you. Alice Marble wrote, If tennis is a game for ladies and gentlemen, it's also time we acted a little more like gentle people and less like sanctimonious hypocrites.

6:49Paul Hayward:If there is anything left in the name of sportsmanship, it's more than time to display what it means to us. If Althea Gibson represents a challenge to the present crop of women players, it's only fair that they should meet that challenge on the courts. and that was a stunning riposte to the racism of the um of the u.s tennis association and lo and behold that letter tips the balance in favor of althea gibson being able to play in national

7:17Mark Pougatch:championships the interesting thing about althea gibson and all this is that she didn't particularly want to be at the forefront did she of the civil rights crusade because immediately like sugar ray robinson jackie robinson the baseball player the black press which was very strong in america at time thought oh great we've got a female black tennis player she can lead the crusade from her point of view she didn't want to do it and she was criticized by some of the black press for not doing that and she said it's just too much of a burden to take on i grew up in foster homes i grew up on the street i grew up playing truant i grew up with a shambolic family with a father who beat me i learned early on to look after myself i don't know how you interpret this but i almost interpret it as I don't have the energy to do this as well I want to play really good tennis and people see I'm a very good tennis player and then I'm a black very good tennis player and hopefully that will reflect well on black people not me at the forefront you know with the cudgels as it were

8:12Paul Hayward:how would you interpret it yeah I mean well in her first memoir the Jackie Robinson comparison kind of dogged her quite a lot and in this memoir she said that Jackie Robinson thrived on his role as a Negro, her word, not mine, battling for equality, whereas I shy away from it because it would be dishonest of me to pretend to have a feeling I don't possess. She simply didn't want to take up that fight. She wanted to get on in life on her own steam and become a tennis player, a great tennis player. And this does come up from time to time. I remember, you know, when Tiger Woods emerged on the scene and political issues came up in American society.

8:52Paul Hayward:we as sports writers would sometimes say to Tiger Woods, well, what's your opinion on this? And he never went there. And he got criticised for that, as if it was his job and his obligation to take up the fight. And then the counter-argument is, well, nobody is obliged to do that if they choose not to. You don't have to be a spokesman or a spokeswoman for anything if you choose not to be.

9:14Mark Pougatch:And Arthur Ashe was. He did choose to be. He wasn't at first, actually, and then he came round to it. Yeah, he didn't want to do it at the start, but then he came round to it. he did speak about education for black kids and he did speak on about apartheid. But interesting that there's always two sides to this, because after Alice Marble's letter, when seven days before the start of what is effective, the US Open in 1950, she is Althea Gibson allowed in. The press say that here's a quote. Let's put the cold stiletto of reasoning into this trick played by the US LTA, the United States Lawn Tennis Association.

9:47Mark Pougatch:Is Althea Gibson a pawn or a trailblazer? the lily white rules of the organization are still in fact next year or the year after the barriers will be back jim crow the jim crow segregation laws in the south which were horrendously implemented jim crow tennis will go on its way so even when she is allowed into the u.s open people are saying oh they're just you know the white people are just putting a trick on you allow you in but they won't allow black players in in general and meanwhile she's living an amazing

10:19Paul Hayward:life in harlem she's a woman of fluid sexual identity she's hanging out with jazz musicians and writers and intellectuals and this is why i cannot believe that a movie hasn't been made of

10:30Mark Pougatch:her life yet she had a very good singing voice didn't she she did she played the sax she recorded

10:34Paul Hayward:an album of songs you know when she stopped playing tennis nowadays she'd be she'd be a

10:40Mark Pougatch:household name yes you know everywhere her biographer said she can never play only for herself she carries the hopes of millions of others on her shoulders every time she goes in to action but as you say she didn't ask to do that this is the problem she didn't ask for that this is just pressure that is on her shoulders she gets a Wimbledon invite in 1951 she's the first African-American to play in SW19 as they say either we are with Althea Gibson and her A gallant fight to win democracy, says the papers in tennis, or we don't give a damn. If you read the British reports of her coming to Wimbledon, I read one newspaper article where the same sentence it mentions she's black three times.

11:26Mark Pougatch:Just in case the reader is unaware of who is coming over from the States.

11:30Paul Hayward:Yeah.

11:30Mark Pougatch:I mean, there's an obsession there, isn't there?

11:32Paul Hayward:Oh, yeah. Just in case we think America was the only place she encountered racism. And as I said, when she won the French Open, which was her big breakthrough, she was booed and jeered.

11:41Mark Pougatch:When she first arrives for Wimbledon, Sugar Ray Robinson, the great boxer, is over here as well and actually part funds the trip. Because remember, they're all amateur. They're all amateur. So there's no money to be made, which is part of her problem. There's a little bit of shamitarism money under the table, but not for women players. But Sugar Ray Robinson, we're literally just down the road from Piccadilly where we're recording this. Sugar Ray pulled into Piccadilly in an 18-foot flamingo pink Cadillac, two Rolls Royces, two more Cadillacs and a coach. Just in case we weren't sure who was rolling into town.

12:15Paul Hayward:I only wish I'd been there to see a report on it.

12:18Mark Pougatch:So Althea Gibson is over at Wimbledon on her own. She's got no support team. Everything about her is scrutinised. This is not straightforward. But when we come back after the break, something happens to her which certainly changes her fortunes on the tennis court.

12:48Mark Pougatch:So she gets a new coach in all this, having played at Wimbledon for the first time, called Sidney Llewellyn, who has something... I really want to ask Novak Djokovic if he's heard this. something called the theory of correct returns did you read this that every shot has exactly that a correct return a point at which in the opponent's half you should put the ball exactly anyway sydney llewellyn's around but then something happens we're talking about the mid-1950s we're talking about what's happening in the southern states and some pretty awful racist lynchings including the infamous murder of a 14 year old boy called emmett till who was murdered in the summer of 1955 after he's accused of whistling at a white woman in a grocery store in Mississippi the woman later confesses she makes most of it up anyway the American State Department go hang on a second the rest of the world think we're a bunch of racists here why don't we have a goodwill tour a bit of soft power with some high-class tennis players and let's have a black one while we're about to Althea Gibson and actually this tour changes her doesn't it yeah the State Department

13:50Paul Hayward:approaches Althea Gibson at a tennis club on the west side of New York and asks her whether she'd go on a tour on their behalf to show that America really isn't a racist country after all. Althea Gibson quite likes the sound of it because her career at that point isn't really going anywhere. She lacks confidence. She lacks conviction on the court.

14:08Mark Pougatch:Today they'd call her a bottler, wouldn't they? She loses finals. She's not really living up to the potential they've all invested in her.

14:16Paul Hayward:Yeah, yeah. there's something lacking in her and it turns out to be confidence. So she goes off and sort of finds herself really on this diplomatic tour. She wins matches over there. She meets people. She broadens her horizons. She comes back and she's an imperious tennis player by the time she's added confidence and conviction to what is already a very solid game she has. So that's when her career really takes off in the mid-1950s.

14:41Mark Pougatch:So she stays in Europe after the end of this tour to the Far East because obviously Paris and Wimbledon are there. She's in really good form. She's got a level of self-confidence. She's got a level of international significance as well. And in 1956, she goes to the French Open and she beats her friend Angela Buxton. She really buddied up with Angela Buxton, who was Jewish. So she knew what it was like sometimes to be ostracised and for people not to want to hang out with you and not play doubles with you. Not to the extent of a black woman, of course, but she had a reasonable amount of it as well.

15:11Mark Pougatch:And she beat her friend Angela Buxton in the semifinal, whose bra strap snaps at just the wrong moment. I did not know that. You have time to fix it all up and she wins. And then she wins the final.

15:21Paul Hayward:For a short time, nobody could live with her. And, you know, when she gets to Wimbledon in 1957, this is, and we're bound to say this because we're biased in favour of Wimbledon. We think it's the epicentre of the world in tennis. But it really is, I think, her defining moment. She's in the final on centre court. This is the first time the Queen has been on centre court, Queen Elizabeth. It's a sweltering day, one of the hottest Wimbledon's ever seen. She needs cold packs on her neck and hands. She says, I was sweating like a steam engine. So she's 5 '11". She's a big server, a servant volleyer, who's modelled herself actually on Alice Marble, the woman who came to her support in 1950.

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16:04Paul Hayward:By now she's 29 years old, so she's no prodigy. She's kind of getting towards the end of her...

16:10Mark Pougatch:She knows time's running out, isn't she? Time is running out. Because she's got no money.

16:13Paul Hayward:No, she's got no money. Yeah. And when she wins, the BBC, I've listened to this, and the BBC calls her the first coloured Wimbledon champion ever in a slightly cold monotone, I thought. Coloured is a word that's no longer used, of course, but it was hardly euphoric, the reception she received at Wimbledon. Nevertheless, she lays down a marker there in tennis that Arthur Ashe was to follow. You know, Arthur Ashe didn't create this legacy. Althea Gibson did.

16:47Mark Pougatch:There are telegrams from Sugar Ray Robinson. She sang at the winner's ball. I think most people know there's a ball in the evening after Wimbledon. She sang there, but she never referred to her race. But she gets the ticker tape up Broadway. She goes on the Ed Sullivan Show, which is an extremely famous show. The Beatles go on the Ed Sullivan Show, don't they?

17:05Paul Hayward:Yeah, correct.

17:05Mark Pougatch:There's a party at her childhood home in Harlem. President Eisenhower sends a telegram. The same Eisenhower who hadn't wanted to go to the South when there were the race riots. He kept out of that. But then she's prepping for the US Open, which is coming after that. And she's playing in a warm-up tournament in Chicago. And she goes to a hotel to check in and she's barred from checking in because she's black. The Wimbledon champion is barred from checking into a hotel room in Chicago because she is black. But she goes, I don't want to make a fuss and I don't want to upset the organisers. It's not their fault.

17:38Mark Pougatch:I'll just get on with it.

17:39Paul Hayward:Yeah, it's shades here of Jesse Owens getting back to the southern states of America after the Berlin Olympics and being no further forward in being treated as an equal citizen. Shades as well of Muhammad Ali winning gold at the Rome Olympics in 1960, wasn't it? And going home to Louisville and still being treated like a second class citizen.

18:02Mark Pougatch:Still having to sit on certain bits of the bus. Still not being able to go into certain restaurants. Still far from certain hotels. Completely. Althea Gibson, Muhammad Ali, Jesse Owens, they all had it.

18:11Paul Hayward:Yeah. This is institutionalized in American society. It's written into the legal framework, written into the political and cultural fabric of the country. And it's incredible to look back now and imagine these great athletes, these great people being in a country that in many cases despised them, you know, horrendous.

18:30Mark Pougatch:She's only the second black woman to be on the cover of Sports Illustrated, which remains one of the great sports magazines, doesn't it? There's a real heritage of Sports Illustrated being read in America, not necessarily over here. And she wins the U.S. Open. She wins it on the same day that in Arkansas, the state governor is defying the president over a court order that racial integration in the school system is now compulsory. So the state governor is going, I don't care what the law says. I'm keeping segregated schools. On that day, she wins the U.S. Open.

19:01Paul Hayward:yeah and she paid a very heavy price for this this you know and willingness to join the fight and to speak out and to live her own life she paid for that in terms of her popularity

19:11Mark Pougatch:and her renown much later in life 1958 she knows is going to be her final year because if you think about it she's got this really difficult triangle of wanting to be really good at tennis and getting better all the time needing to get an education to look after her life after tennis and having absolutely no money at all. I mean, it's an impossible triangle, that really, isn't it, in the end?

19:34Paul Hayward:Yeah, we should say that the Open era in tennis only started in 1968. So they were all, most of them were pretty much amateur until that point. So she wasn't alone in scratching a living, but nevertheless, for people to win Wimbledon and US Open titles and French Open titles and to be skint is pretty shocking, isn't it?

19:55Mark Pougatch:I mean, there's a man called Jack Kramer who has sort of started a sort of fledgling male tour at this stage. There's no money for women. If you haven't, listen to our Billie Jean King and Bobby Riggs episode and you'll hear that Billie Jean King is absolutely at the forefront of getting women paid what they should have done and establishing what we now know to be the WTA, the Women's Tennis Association. But between 1959, so this is the end of her career, and 1967, no one toured as a pro as a woman because Jack Kramer said there is no demand for girls. They don't bring enough at the gate. All they do is take the cut from the boys.

20:31Mark Pougatch:So he's basically saying, I'm not interested in you. I don't care if you're Wimbledon champion twice over. I don't care if you're a US Open champion twice over. I mean, I haven't even got as far as your race here. You're a woman. No one wants to come and watch you.

20:43Paul Hayward:Yeah. Well, we talked about, just mentioned Jesse Owens and Muhammad Ali. But Althea Gibson's got an extra disadvantage in the eyes of American society. and that is that she's female. So she's up against every obstacle she possibly could be.

20:57Mark Pougatch:So Althea Gibson, double Wimbledon, double US Open champion, decides at the end of 1958, I've got to make some money here now. What happens next?

21:22Mark Pougatch:So she retires to try and make some money and she knows, as she says, I am uncomfortably close to being public M &E number one to some sections of the Negro press. They resent my refusal to turn my tennis achievements into a rousing crusade for racial equality, brass bands, 76 trombones and all. I won't do it. But she loves singing. She wants to act. she's in a John Wayne film as a slave girl which you think about the optics of that and a lot of the black press are going really? Don't do that I know you want to get into films but don't do that I know you need the money but that's not the right thing to do

22:00Paul Hayward:See that's the kind of detail that is actually exactly why we started this programme because in all the standardised biographies of Althea Gibson you'll see she appeared in a John Wayne film and you think oh right she was alongside John Wayne's co-star of the film and then as you just said she was actually playing the role of a slave in a John Wayne film you know almost to put her back in her place you know so you could say it started quite brightly for her after tennis she recorded an album of songs she had a strong musical background she was a very good golfer she was good at about 5 or 6 sports but particularly good at golf although again she didn't make any money from it she worked on

22:40Mark Pougatch:she just started too late didn't she she started too late to be good at golf Yeah. I mean, she did play on the fledgling US ladies tour, but never really made any money, as you say, because she'd been playing tennis as a youngster.

22:50Paul Hayward:And she worked on various athletic boards in New Jersey. Those are quite prestigious appointments, you know, overseeing the sports industry, you know, the sporting events of New York and New Jersey. Those are quite, you know, there's a sought after post, but none of them really worked out for her. So quite quickly, she starts to get low on money, low on funds. But again, I mentioned earlier on how articulate she was. She could have been a writer, actually. She probably should have been a writer. She once said, My finances were in heartbreaking shape. Being the queen of tennis is all very good, but you can't eat a crown.

23:30Paul Hayward:I reign over an empty bank account. She's beautifully put. So she's now flailing around in that immediate post-fame phase where it can go either way, really. People can find a, you know, a different raison d 'etre or they can kind of disappear by degrees and they can start to struggle financially by degrees. And I think she went downhill pretty quickly, although she did. I think a lot of people think of her as a kind of lost figure and she wasn't entirely. She did play a bit of a role in the rise of the Williams sisters, Venus and Serena, in the sense that she met Richard Williams and gave bits and bobs of advice to Venus.

24:14Paul Hayward:And when when Venus Williams won her first Grand Slam, she got a telegram from from Althea Gibson saying, I gladly pass the torch to you and Serena. so she wasn't totally detached it's just that her life was going a bit wrong she was married twice

24:31Mark Pougatch:drinking very heavily she couldn't have children couldn't have children and um Angela Buxton her doubles partner who you mentioned earlier on uh stayed fond of her stayed vigilant stayed by her

24:45Paul Hayward:side really she was the she had an angel in her life I think it was um Angela Buxton uh who actually you know took a call from her one day when althea gibson was threatening to kind of do away with herself and and buxton sprang into action and crowdfunded her salvation by you know they got they got money together they she they paid her bills some big names didn't they billy

25:08Mark Pougatch:king yeah i mean some really big names absolutely did recognize what a figure she had been yeah

25:14Paul Hayward:And at the US Open this year, they recognized the 75th anniversary of Althea Gibson getting into the US National Championships for the first time with the help of Alice Marble. And there was a tremendous outpouring, really, of recognition and remembrance of what she had done for all black players subsequently.

25:35Mark Pougatch:So Flushing Bell is where they play the US Open. The National Tennis Complex is named after Billie Jean King.

25:40Paul Hayward:the main stadium is maimed after arthur ash who won his first grand slam in 1968 remember she won

25:47Mark Pougatch:the us the french open in 1956 now there is a bust of althea gibson yeah at flushing meadows but you know the question is hang on a second why is it not the althea gibson stadium yeah the first black player to win a grand slam not arthur ash yeah i mean arthur ash arthur ash i think he really

26:04Paul Hayward:was a you know a political fighter he wasn't at first as we said earlier but you know he ended up going down to South Africa and challenging apartheid nose to nose, face to face. And he became a symbol of the civil rights movement and so on. And so I think he put in more work than Althea Gibson on that front, certainly. So you can kind of understand it from that perspective. But she was underappreciated. And I noticed that there was a woman called Michelle Curry, who works for the Althea Gibson estate. And she said during this commemoration at the U.S. Open, she said, all she was really looking for was someone to just say thank you we understand what you went through now I don't think she really was looking for that she didn't ask for that at the time did she she wanted to be left alone really yeah but I'm sure yeah just to get on but I'm sure Michelle Curry is is right in saying well she would know better than me that underneath that Althea Gibson

27:00Mark Pougatch:would have wanted a bit more recognition I can't work out what the right adjective is to describe of her life, obviously a pioneer and amazing. What I'm getting at, was it a bit of a sad life in the end, ultimately?

27:10Paul Hayward:I think it was a sad ending, but I prefer to look at this phenomenal personal achievement in overcoming, you know, what Larkin called a bad beginning and somehow becoming French US Open Wimbledon champion in the face of barriers that would put most of us off on day one you know and would destroy most people and probably did destroy countless numbers of people she came through that with her kind of spirit intact she had it again she had this amazing life around being a brilliant tennis player you know she was a she played the sax and she sang and she went to jazz clubs and she hung out with clever people and she was good at five or six sports so i would have thought and she didn't mind a drink and she didn't mind a

27:54Mark Pougatch:drink she had a glass of sherry and filet mignon before the wimbledon fire i love the idea of that

27:58Paul Hayward:Very good. We should bring that back. You should bring that back. So anyone with all that on their CV is entitled to go to the grave thinking, I did pretty well there.

28:06Mark Pougatch:Well, thank you. That was so fascinating, Paul, to learn about Althea Gibson. We hope you've enjoyed today's show. And if you have, please make sure you rate, follow and subscribe. And that way you'll never miss an episode. You can listen to all our past shows on Global Player or wherever you get your podcasts. And we love to hear from you. Keep sending in your suggestions on potential topics and subjects for us. Email us howitallplayedout at global.com or you can find us on socials on at PlayedOutPod. And we'll speak to you next time.

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From the publisher

Mark Pougatch and Paul Hayward bring you the story of Althea Gibson - don't worry if you've never heard of her, few have!

Arthur Ashe is a name immediately recognisable to every tennis fan - and most sports fans.

He was the first Black man to win the US Open, the Australian Open and Wimbledon - and the largest tennis stadium in the world, the US Open main court, is named after him.

But he wasn’t the first Black player to win a Grand Slam. That honour went to New Yorker Althea Gibson, who won the French open in 1956 - a whole decade before Ashe. She also won both the US Open and Wimbledon in 1957 and in 1958. 

So why isn’t Althea Gibson as well known as Arthur Ashe? Why doesn’t she have her name up in lights like his? What is her story?

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