💰 THE SPORTS RIDE SHOW — SHOW ME THE MONEY! 🎙️ EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW WITH LEGENDARY SPORTS AGENT LEIGH STEINBERG!

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0:43Leigh Steinberg: Welcome everybody to the Sports Ride Show. I am your host, Sports Pops. And remember here at the Sports Ride Show, every sports story belongs to you. And in order to bring all the sports action and all those sports stories, I need the best Pete Crew in sports today. So let me start with listen to the voices if you want to get in trouble with the voice Ortiz and Mr. Wilson and his famous Dallas Cowboys neighborhood. We're going to have a tremendous show tonight because we have an amazing special guest, Mr. Lee Steimer. Welcome to the show, sir. Thank you. Happy to be with you. Hey, it's an honor having you here today.

1:24Leigh Steinberg: I'm going to go ahead and showcase you because they don't need to see us. They need to see you. That's definitely a plus. But I just want to say thank you for joining us here. And we'll go ahead and get you some questions and learn about everything that you have done, including from your great clients from Troy Aikman, Warren Moon, Steve Young, I mean, Ben Rawlsbury, and the list continues like Bruce Smith, Thurman Thomas. I mean, the list goes on and on and on and on. And I have to say, it's an amazing career that you had, and I had the privilege to take your training back in 2020. So that was an amazing experience.

2:11Leigh Steinberg: But tell us, what you've been doing lately? So I have a new book out called The Comeback, And it operates on the principle that life will set you back inevitably. It could be financial, it could be health, it could be marital, it could be substance abuse. So when you face reverses, how do you come back? How do you find resilience? And so it tells my story of dealing with alcohol, but it also tells the stories of Patrick Mahomes and Steve Young and Warren Moon and Troy Aikman and different challenges they faced and how they came back. And I've been working on our concussion foundation, which is trying to bring awareness, prevention and cure to that area.

3:11And we still do the aging academies that you came to.

3:17Leigh Steinberg: It's amazing that you mentioned the situation with concussion because our director, we call him Lifetime Concussion Protocol, you know, because he might need your help in the future for sure, sir. but uh you go ahead i had a crisis of conscience back in the 1980s because i was representing half the starting quarterbacks in the nfl they kept getting hit in the head and we would go to neurologists and ask how many are too many what's the magic number and they really had no answers because the brain was the last frontier so we held the first concussion player safety conference in 1994 that one had Troy Aikman and Warren Moon, Steve Young and Drew Bledsoe and they all listened to neurologists.

4:05Eventually we had Dr. Bennett Obalu who the concussion film was done. He came to one of the sessions in 2006 and he said that he thought three was the number and after that you had an exponentially a higher rate of ALS, Alzheimer's, premature senility, chronic traumatic encephalopathy, and depression. So I called it a ticking time bomb and an undiagnosed health epidemic. And we have held 30 conferences on it. And now we've got a new charitable foundation that is looking for prevention, awareness, and cure.

4:52Leigh Steinberg: Got it. Let me ask you this, Mrs. Steinberg, since we're talking about concussions. How was your experience, even that things got better since 1994 and the awareness to the concussion situation? When you had Tua, you used to represent him, and I believe when he went through his concussion situation in Miami, you were his representative, if I'm not mistaken. How was that experience and seeing a player that you're representing in that situation when you see those fingers like crawling in the middle of the field? I mean, it is a dangerous sport in the sense of concussions. And the thing that people don't realize is there's a danger at the inception of every play in a sub-concussive event.

5:41So lineman hit lineman. It does a little bit of change. It's not diagnosed. They're not aware of it, but they could have a lineman who hit 10 ,000 times throughout high school, college, and pros, and that almost certainly will match up. So, like I said, I had a crisis of conscience. I went out Troy Aikman's rookie year, and he got knocked out, and there was blood coming out of his ear, and you kept waiting for him to move. And I just figured my responsibility has to be more than putting dollars into bank books. It's got to be preserving the long-term health of players. There we go.

6:30Leigh Steinberg: Mr. Wilson, you have a question for Mr. Steinberg at this moment? We'd like to ask about your main man, Troy Aikman, with those Dallas Cowboys neighborhood. Well, I love Troy. That goes without saying. But I'd love to know how the landscape of being a sports agent has changed over time. You've seen differences in terms of collective bargaining and things of that nature. and now you have players who are looking to represent themselves and you don't just wake up in the morning and be lee steinberg there's a lot that goes into these contract negotiations you're dealing with people who negotiate contracts at all different levels of the business what would you say to somebody who's trying to represent themselves in terms of, or what would you warn them of in terms of trying to represent themselves?

7:30So representation is much more than simply doing a contract. There's not a lot of negotiability for rookies now because there's a salary cap that has a minimum, maximum, teams go to the maximum, and we don't have holdouts anymore. But you asked about the changes. Well, the first one is NIL, because in the last few years, we've seen this explode. And there was a quarterback who registered at, or was going to go to LSU, and they were offering him$4 million. And then someone offered him$14 million to go to Michigan, and that's where he plays. Wow. So it's sort of like the wild, wild west. So you now have 17-year-olds looking for a marketing director to do name, image, and likeness endorsements for.

8:31And high school to college has become a free agency period for these players. So that's been a major change. Now you have gambling coming into sport and i think it's an existential threat to sport because inevitably you're going to have some player shave performance and talk to a gambler and get a cut of of that prediction and then you've got players who might shade performance so this is all dramatically different the salary cap in football has exploded so the last two years have been the most rapid growth in the history of football and now you're seeing a 35 million dollar defensive back and a 44 million dollar defensive lineman well those used to be baseball numbers but now they're football

9:31Leigh Steinberg: yeah maybe we should go into baseball now i mean football play football instead of baseball but go ahead voice you got a question for mr steinberg yeah mr steinberg sir so i actually i'm sorry i'm going to take advantage of this i got two questions the first one is you touched up on nil and the nail and college football world uh what can be done because like you just mentioned it's literally a wild, wild west out there. What can be done to regulate, you know, nail in college football? And the second question is, do you have a preference of working with a certain team? I mean, we don't have to name it, but what I'm trying to say is, are there teams that are harder to work with and teams in the NFL that are easier to work with?

10:16What you really look for in that second category is teams that are well run. If they were going to have a draft, they should draft owners, general managers, and head coaches. Because the structure of an organization, the chemistry they have, the culture, is really where you want your players to be. So you have certain franchises. We have two on the West Coast here, the 49ers and the Rams that both everyone wants to play for. Bob Craft in New England would be another owner like that. So you're looking for those teams. As I said, the rookie contracts are pretty fixed now. Veteran, there's a lot of negotiability.

11:07And since they split the major source of revenue, the national television contract, then you ought not to have teams that are tougher to deal with, but administratively they can be that way. Your question about NIL, they just passed a bill through the United States Senate, which is a college sports bill. bill and the first thing they did is they said that those marketing directors that are representing the players maybe a third of them are actual nfl agents or nba agents but the rest of them have no qualifications necessarily at all so that bill would would regulate that the bill also remember what happens here is a conference average athletic budget, the team can, college can spend 22 % of that and about 75 % on paying players and about 75 % of that money goes to college football and about 15 % to college basketball and maybe 5 % to the female basketball, women's basketball, and all the rest of it.

12:35So the question is what happens to Title IX, which is supposed to treat women equally? What happens to the minority sports, the non-rev sports, gymnastics and water polo and volleyball? So this bill addresses some of that, and it has to be passed by both houses. But if it is, it could have a good effect on regulations. And they're trying to eliminate the payment I talked about to the Michigan quarterback by saying it's got to be fair market value. and fair market value means that you can find other deals that are comparable to it.

13:22Leigh Steinberg: Understood. Thank you. Thank you for that answer right there, Mr. Steinberg. I would like to start going into your trajectory of the different players that you have represented in the NFL. Let me start with Steve Barkoski, which was your first client in 1975, and you happened to establish a record at that time, a four-year contract, if I'm not mistaken, for$650 ,000. How different is a contract at that time and now in modern times? How difficult or how different it is or still the same traction regarding contracts? You can imagine Dr. Evil saying, I want$650 ,000. And so what happened was the TV contract exploded.

14:13So I've done 64 first round draft picks in football, the very first pick in the NFL draft, eight different years. We have 12 players in the Hall of Fame, about 30 first round baseball players in basketball. And the change has been enormous in that same year that Barkowski signed. Each team got$2 million as a share of the national television contract. Wait for it,$2 million. And now they get about$350 million. So there's been a real explosion in TV revenue and then brand new stadia with jumbo luxury boxes and naming rights and signage everywhere. and you've got gambling and which, again, some players going to end up shaving performance or doing something.

15:14And then the fans are going to say, wait a second, this is not a real contest and conspiratorial theories will abound. and you'll have people looking at pro sports and collegiate sports, not as real competition, but like wrestling, an exhibition. So I fear for that. But the changes have been extraordinary.

15:39Leigh Steinberg: Wow. Let me ask you, I mean, if I was in Greek mythology, I would say you're the gods of NFL agents. That would be my humble opinion regarding yourself as probably the greatest one. And I'm going to go into that because Troy Aikman, Steve Young, Warren Moon, Patrick Mahomes, Ben Rawlingsberger. I mean, the list goes on and on and on. Just with the five I mentioned, only one of them didn't win a Super Bowl. The rest of them won Super Bowls and league MVP. So what an extraordinary career, you know, regarding those players that you have represented in the past. I'm going to put you on the spot. Who's your favorite if you have one?

16:20There we go. So that's the best way for an agent to get fired. Okay, there we go. I have never heard. But I will tell you, I was with Warren Moon from 1978 to 2004. He played for 23 years of professional football. And we sort of grew up together. And he sort of broke the color barrier when it came to African-American or black quarterbacks playing that position. Because before that, there really wasn't much. There had been a couple. But he was the first player inducted into the Hall of Fame that was a black quarterback in the modern era. And probably the highlight of my career was being his presenter, giving the speech for him in Canton.

17:20And the whole premise of our practice is role modeling. It's having players go back to the high school community, the collegiate community, and professional and set up scholarship funds. or at a high school work with the church or Boys and Girls Club at the college level, go back to the campus and do something that binds you to the alums. And then we find some issue they'd like to tackle. So work done, just put the 220th single mother and their family into the first home they'll ever own by making the down payment and having it outfitted. where Patrick Mahomes has his 15 in the Mahomes. So Warren Moon had his Crescent Moon Foundation that has sent hundreds of kids to college.

18:14And so that really is the lasting contribution of the players in our practice.

18:22Leigh Steinberg: Outside the quarterback position, I know you have Howie Long, Ricky Williams, Bruce Smith, I believe Thurman Thomas also there. So your spectrum is not just the quarterback class. I know that's like your niche when it comes to represent the players. But what a career. And then outside of that, you had Lennox Lewis and Oscar De La Hoya. That's the one that caught me by surprise. But how is that boxing world? I mean, because the way I have pictured you all my life, because I have been following you for years and years and years ago. So I don't see you in boxing, you know, dealing with the Bob Arums and these other, you know, promoters that were within the boxing world.

19:13Well, I ended up negotiating what would have been the biggest fight contract ever, which was Lennox Lewis and Mike Tyson. And I found role models there, too. I'll give you an example. Oscar did a public service announcement with Steve Young that said prejudice is foul play. Lennox did a public service announcement that said real men don't hit women. And that could do more to trigger imitative behavior and rebellious adolescence than a thousand authority figures ever could. So I found them to be fun. But I'll tell you, in both cases, I said at the end of it, you should be your own promoter. You should be a role model for younger Black or African-American boxers.

20:10But you need to take control. There's no reason you need to pay 40 % to a promoter. And so Lennox ended up putting together Lion Productions and Oscar put together Golden Boy Productions. And I just had a couple of clients. I didn't get into all the sleaze. And obviously they were at a certain level of self-consciousness or they wouldn't have asked me to represent them. but I stayed out of all the sleaziness.

20:45Leigh Steinberg: Yeah. I got you a little surprised here because we know Jerry Maguire was basically based on your life. The character evolves from that. Mr. Cameron Crowe said one time, Jerry Maguire aspires to be you. So that's an amazing quote from a director, a movie director in Hollywood. So that means how much of your life was input into the Jerry Maguire character. Well, here at the Sports Rise show, we have a little segment called Show Me the Money. And what we do is we show pictures of the players with the big contracts, give a little bit of explanation, how many years. And I happen to run into this really quick.

21:29Leigh Steinberg: I'm going to play this for you here.

21:47Leigh Steinberg: Well, we happened to find this recording artist, Melody Djosa, and he has made that song over two years ago, and I've been using it for that segment, and it's ironically that I got you here today with us at the Sports Ride Show and show me the money. How has that experience been involved in that movie production, Jerry Maguire? It was life-changing because, you know, he spent a couple years, Cameron Crowe did, following me around. He went to the meetings in Palm Desert. He went to draft day in 1993 where I had Drew Bledsoe. He went to the press conference, pro scouting days at USC, lots of games.

22:33And I told him stories, lots and lots of stories. And then my job as technical advisor was to vet the script. So the willing suspension of disbelief that holds you in a motion picture, the dialogue is is actual. The the look on the set is right. I had to do that. And then he you can see over my shoulder. Yes. And so I took Cuba Gooding Jr. with me down to the Phoenix Super Bowl. I made him pretend he was a wide receiver all week. He had to hang out with Amani Toomer and Desmond Howard and pretend he was my client. And I actually had to show the quarterback in the film played by Jerry O 'Connell how to throw a spiral because he had gone to NYU and they didn't have a football program there.

23:28Wow. And so it's been 30 years now, and every time I go to an airport or go out to dinner, there's a high probability someone's going to run up to the table and ask me to say four words or say them to me that start with, show me the money.

23:48Leigh Steinberg: And I believe that came from one of your players. So Tim McDonald, who was a strong safety with the 49ers, was out in Palm Desert at the league meetings looking for a team to sign with. And so Cameron went upstairs in Tim's hotel room, and they were talking about what he was thinking about in free agency. And Lou Dobbs and Moneyline on CNN was on in the background. And so Tim said, I'm looking for a team to show me winning because I've never won before. I'm looking for a team to show me respect. I'm looking for a team to show me a good contract. And then Cameron wrote, show me the money. Wow. Incredible story.

24:40Leigh Steinberg: Guys, any questions regarding Jerry Maguire? Oh, by any chance, any Jerry Maguire 2 plans? Because there's so much story behind you that I think they can make another movie. Cameron Crowe is definitive that he will never do a sequel. Oh, wow. Wouldn't wait for it. Won't wait for it. I was just hoping I could have been an extra in that movie. I was going to take my shot in there. Well, I guess my Hollywood career would not go anywhere now. But I have to say. uh there'll be more movies yeah there we go uh how do you think uh nil and nfl are playing right now with each other um from an nfl standpoint it's a great deal they have a farm system uh that's college football that they pay nothing for right and now you have the athletes who are getting paid.

25:42And so people were speculating would it mean that players would stay in school an extra year because they are being paid and they don't look like they have great draft status for one year should they stay in school. So that might have happened. But really, it's just a glorified farm system for the pro in baseball. They have the minor leagues, but here the NFL franchises and the league pay nothing for their talent supply except whatever they get in their contract.

26:26Leigh Steinberg: The only thing that I was not in agreement with was the fact that, you know, if you get cut from your former team and you were an undrafted player, you can actually go back and play college ball. That was the only thing that I didn't like regarding what is happening between the transition of college NIL and the NFL pro game. So what happened was that they had a number of players who were talking about doing that. And then the SEC, for example, came up with a stricture that you can't pay. Once a player's become professional, he can't then go back to college. And you don't have to leave college in the first place, but I agree with you, and it's not happening.

27:18They're not allowing that.

27:20Leigh Steinberg: Thank God. For sure. guys any question for Mr. Steinberg before we let him go I mean we don't want him to go but I know he has other things that he has to be doing well well I just got one more just based on everything that you said I can already assume that you feel like gambling is not good for the sport in baseball Pete Rose was banned from baseball and now they have people representing athletes, representing fan duels and all sorts of other things in terms of promoting that part of the sport. What would you say is, of course, the largest risk besides, of course, what you've already stated?

28:09If you could just kind of go a little bit more into what the risks of having gambling so closely involved in professional sports and college sports is. Sure. Good question. I think that the first adverse consequence is the fact that you're going to have young people, especially college students types, who do prop bets on the whole game, and they get behind, and then they start to get into debt. And I think the addiction to gambling sits in the same place as the addiction to alcohol or drugs. It's an addiction. And I think we're going to have, with those wonderful ads, they do tempting people. I think you're going to have a whole new generation of gambling addicts.

29:03But the larger challenge is the fact that fans go to athletic contests believing that they are authentic, that playing by the same rules, playing with everyone, giving maximum effort. And if you have an athlete, as has already happened in baseball and basketball, who is tempted to get in contact with a gambler and shave performance, which only the gambler would know, and there are prop bets on every aspect of that, or if he uses inside information that the public's not supposed to know. and this becomes public we already had an incident in basketball where a player was banned for life we have a couple pitchers in baseball and it's inevitable that that will happen and that when I call it an existential threat I think that if you think of what you're seeing in front of you not as a real contest but as an exhibition or an entertainment then it becomes wrestling.

30:17And so I think that this is the law of unintended consequences. They never thought through all the implications. So we should ban gambling from professional sports. I agree with that, honestly. It's always been there and it's always been part of the appeal, But to have it institutionalized this way, where you can actually place a bet like in the Commander Stadium or in the United Center in Chicago, it's too close. And remember forever, they were never going to have a franchise in Las Vegas, right? That was way too far. now all of a sudden they've got the Golden Knights, they have the Raiders, they've got the A's coming, and they have a new NBA expansion franchise that will come.

31:14Leigh Steinberg: Hey, before I let you go, Mr. Steinberg, I got one question. Are the Dodgers winning tonight? I believe you're a big Dodgers fan. I am a huge Dodgers fan. And I am hoping and praying that their bats come alive and because they didn't look very good the two games they lost. By the way, Mr. Steinberg, Mr. Wilson has Milwaukee winning the series. I'm just saying, you know, I don't want to start any trouble. But yes, he is. Mr. Steinberg, I'm sorry. Hey, listen, Sports Pops, I thought we were friends. We were still friends. Fans can root for whoever they want. For you, Mr. Steinberg, go Dodgers. Let's go with the big blue evil umpire.

32:06That's what I call them here at the Sports Ride Show.

32:08Leigh Steinberg: But don't worry, we have one word, the Jan Cheaters kankies. But, you know, we won't talk about them. They're gone. But I hope the Dodgers can go ahead and put a stamp in history because they will become the first National League team ever to three-peat. And I think that will be something very extraordinary for baseball. Well, I think if Shohei Otani wakes up and gets back to looking like himself, it'll be a different result. There we go. Hey, Mr. Steinberg. I'm sorry, I almost said Steinberg. Rest in peace. Mr. Steinberg, I just want to say thank you for giving us the opportunity in our small platform to come here and let us showcase a little bit of the talent that we have.

32:54Leigh Steinberg: But, of course, to me, like I said before, if it was Greek mythology, for me, you are the gods of NFL agents. Hands down. I don't care about Drew Rosenhaus or anybody else. You're the man. And for that, I got to say, show me the money. There's no doubt in my mind. You got to show me that money.

33:18Leigh Steinberg: Well, Mr. Steinberg, once again, a pleasure. thank you for being here you're welcome anytime you don't even need an invitation anymore you just go ahead and pick up the phone and tell us that you're coming no i thought you were great and the voice mr wilson both are good too thank you thank you so much for that i appreciate that coming from you and i hope we see you around i hope one day i can see you in person definitely look into that book we'll definitely check that out appreciate you for coming on bye-bye guys Bye-bye, sir. You have a great one. Hey, we have Mr. Steinberg here. We had a great – that interview went well.

33:59I mean, I was nervous. I'll be honest with you. For the first time doing the show, and this is our 81st episode,

34:08Leigh Steinberg: and I was like, what the heck I'm going to say? What the heck I'm going to do? But, you know, Mr. Wilson picked up the slag in there. He was the professional one, you know. He was the analyst. You know, that's why he said, I'm the analyst of the show, you know. You know, I was just more entertainment about show me the money and, you know, everything else that happens with him. But what an accomplishment, guys. I want to say thank you to the two of you. Without you, I could not, you know, try to make this happen for us. And I hope he's not the last one. I hope we get many, many, many more. Next week, we're going to have Andy Hernandez.

34:48Leigh Steinberg: from Real Talk, and we're going to convert his show into Real Sports Talk next week with him here at the Sports Drive Show. But let's start with the Dallas Cowboys neighborhood. Hey, hold on before we keep on. Can you put us on the screen? Oh, sorry. Sorry. My bad. My bad. I keep pressing the wrong thing. My bad. My bad. Oh, my God. I want to remain incognito better. My bad, guys. My bad. My bad. My bad. That was bad. That was bad. Hey, I wanted to steal the show. That's what happened. No, no. By all means. By all means. But since we're going to start talking about the Dallas Cowboys, I think this is the best picture.

35:36Who bucked it up? Who bucked that up? Who bucked that up? Hey, Chino, did your Tampa Bay Jackeneers beat the Cowboys last Thursday night? I'm just asking the question. Oh, he's coming. Oh, my God. He's ready to grab the mic. Oh, my God. Here we go. Go for it. I just want to do a public announcement. Listen, everybody's life is precious. If you are thinking of committing suicide, please call 1-800-COWBOYS-SUCC, and we're going to give you the help you need. Remember, life is beautiful. Sports are games. If you are a Cowboy fan and are thinking of jumping through the roof of that beautiful stadium, please call 1-800-youcansuckmycowboy.com.

36:35Thank you. Hey, I have told you before, for this show to make no sense at all. Listen, you got to have cojones.

36:47You got to have cojones to show up to this podcast. You should wear a mask. Actually, you should buy a Cuckoo's Clan mask and put it on. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Yes, yes. That's too much. Listen, listen, listen. The season is not only over. This was epic. This was a scar in your heart for life. I don't know who's a fan of the Cowboys, but you should not say a word in the next six to seven weeks. Actually, you should take one of those cruises that goes around the world and get the fuck out of here. Oh, wow. Can you tell us how you really feel? I love it. I love it when an 0-14. All of a tremendous guy comes out with a servado.

37:39Listen, what are you doing, Mr. Wilson? I'm trying to help you out. Shut the fuck up, bro. Put a Halloween mask. Don't do that. You won one day. Jesus, you're the Cowboys. We are the Soccer News. The Soccer News. Oh, my fucking God. You got to have a top five pick. Listen, shut the fuck up, bro. You cannot say, you cannot mention the word football ever this year. What is it, October? Okay, for two months. Every time we start the football section, the NFL section, you just shut the fuck up. I'll see you next week. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. And then he gets the poor kid, the employee, he gets him fired.

38:26Like the guy, he was like the janitor tells him, you are fucking embarrassing, bro. Oh, yeah, yeah. You suck. Look, Mr. Wilson, I don't know who brought that up, but to have to beat the Yacquineers to beat the Cowboys in Dallas? The Succaneers. Oh, my God. Why? With LM drafted rookie. Oh, my God. You know, the fucking Dallas Cowboys is like they had, what's his name, a Baker Mayfield as a quarterback. Jesus Christ.

39:00Leigh Steinberg: Oh, my Lord. That's how bad they played. It was amazing. It sounds to me like that was their Super Bowl. It was. It was. It was. Let's get back to the show. Gino, go sit down. I don't know.

39:21I'm telling you, brother. I don't know why I did that for you. It's my fault. I apologize to all our fans. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, our fans. Thank you. We thank you a lot. And Mr. Wilson for bringing up the fact that last Thursday night football game between the Dallas Cowboys. No, Mr. Wilson, all joking aside, Mr. Wilson, all joking aside, you've got my respect as a man, bro. To show up today, you've got to have some huge cojones, bro. Huge. The fact of the matter is that wasn't just bad for me. I feel sorry for whoever watched this and had to endure that. You went to sleep at halftime.

40:00You knew it. You said, uh-oh. For Chino to come on and for the last two and a half, three minutes, I apologize to everybody. I am not by myself. Lifetime concussion protocol at its best, baby. 1-800-SUCK-MY-COWBOY. Don't do it. Wow, wow, wow, wow. No, but it's embarrassing. It's like that employee said. Instead of firing him, they should name him VP of operations. Yeah. I told him in his face. That guy has cojones. That press coach walking by and said, hey, bro, you suck. Wow. Mr.

40:46Leigh Steinberg: Wilson, tell us, who bucked that up for the Dallas Cowboys to come and lose that football game? Now, I will say this. Coming into the game, they were 76 % favored to win the division. By losing the football game, they're only 60%. So they're still the favorite to win the NFC East. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter anymore. He's still here? Yeah, it doesn't matter. Yeah, he still wants to be here, bro. He wants you. He wants you back. I'll tell you the future. And you are his favorite, by the way. I want to let you know. I'll tell you the future. Even if they win the Super Bowl, this is how they're going to announce it.

41:22Oh, God. Yeah, it's so incredible. The Dallas Cowboys, after 50 years, they win the Super Bowl. But they lost to Tampa. But they won the Super Bowl. Oh, God.

41:37Lifetime concussion protocol, folks. No doubt in my mind. And Mr. Richard, let me tell you something. If you're putting money from my kid and you're betting on the Dallas Cowboys, listen, I want my fucking money. I'm not going to wait until the city ends because this motherfucker sucks. Wow. Even the fans are getting into this one here. Turn his microphone off. Oh, he's the director and the owner of the studio. There's no way I can do that. I know. It's crazy. There's no fucking way I can do that. And excuse me, excuse me, I'm not a fan. He knows exactly what I am. Oh, Lord, Mr. Wilson. Wow. I don't know what to tell you.

42:18Well, the Dallas Cowboys neighborhood, who bought that up? The Dallas Cowboys did. There's no doubt in my mind. Tell me, what went wrong in that particular game, Mr. Wilson? I think that it was a whole team effort in terms of just losing that game. The offense looked horrible, looked stagnant. The defense was just as it's been with Christian Parker leading the helm. And, you know, when you get outrushed 241 yards to 50, you know, there's not much of a chance. the time of possession was almost 40 minutes to 20 minutes to just over 20 minutes for the Dallas Cowboys. You can't win football games like that.

43:06The turnover differential was three to none. We had two interceptions thrown, one lost fumble. So all across the, like for me, all you have to do is give me the game stats. All you have to do is give me the game stats and I can tell you who won or lost the game based on third down conversion rates and things like that. And all across the board, when you look at the stats, it just doesn't bode well for being able to win a game. How they only lost 24 to 16 is besides me because this was just a horrible, horrible showing by the Dallas Cowboys. Everybody messed it up. It's a Dak Prescott.

43:56Leigh Steinberg: I'm going to defend Dak on this one because the two interceptions hit the receivers on their hands. I mean, it was ridiculous. I'm not saying he played spectacular, but he played to try to win the football game in two drives. I think they were in midfield when he threw the first interception, that ricochet of his receiver's hands. And then the second one, if I'm not mistaken, was from the tight end Ferguson, correct? Correct. That was all Ferguson's hands. It was a high throw. I mean, it's a throw that you want to put on the numbers for a tight end, especially when he's engaged with the defender.

44:35Rather than throwing that ball across the middle high in the air, You want to put that low and away. You sure it was that high? I didn't see it that high.

44:46Leigh Steinberg: I thought it was more in the numbers. No, it wasn't in the numbers, no. The ball was up above the helmet. It deflected up in the air like a punt, and typically when that happens, it's what they call a tip drill in football, and that's typically a defensive. They go fair catch, fair catch. I got it, I got it, you know. Yeah, ball goes up in the air. The defensive team typically has a better chance of catching it. So, yeah, it was, again, I can absolve Dak very little in terms of it because the offense, it's not just about a couple of plays. It's about how the offense looked overall. And it just wasn't a good showing by the Dallas Cowboys.

45:29The Buccaneers came out. Bucky Irving came out, and he played a hell of a game. You know what I mean? They were running all over him. It was almost like there wasn't a difference out there. They're the Alice Cowboys, no deep.

45:40Leigh Steinberg: Oh, wow. Voice, you want to add anything to that game and, you know, the comments by Lifetime Concussion Protocol and attacking the Dallas Cowboys? No, no, no, no. He's somewhere hiding now. But I'm asking Voice what he thinks about, you know, what happened to the Dallas Cowboys on that Thursday night football game. That he froze? Everybody friends. No, he's talking. He's talking. I'm here. Go ahead. Go ahead. Tell us what went wrong. Oh, no. I'm just saying, like, you know, to me, it sounds to me like that was their Super Bowl, which is not saying much because that means that they're having, I'm talking about the Bucs, a terrible season.

46:21But what Mr. Wilson says, by some point, I mean, there's not much I can add, but Mr. Wilson, they really bucked that up real bad, man. They did. Wow. So what do you go from here? What do you go from here? At this point, they're moving Christian Parker, the defensive coordinator, up into the booth. Maybe he'll be able to see the field. But I don't know what they did. The same thing with Iber Flues, our previous defensive coordinator, when he was struggling to get guys in the right positions. But you also have to give a little bit of there has to be some accountability for the guys playing within the field or between the lines.

47:02But at the same time, it doesn't seem like he's drawing up the right scheme. He's not blitzing at the right times. He's not putting in the right personnel when it needs to be in there. So maybe getting the bird's eye view of it will help him. But the defense has to get better. This offense, of course, needs to get better. But the offense is not what the Cowboys are worried about. It's not what Cowboys fans are worried about. How can this defense get better? How can it start looking more like a Brian Flores defense that, But, you know, I mean, it's in Minnesota where all the offense has to do is put up a moderate amount of points for you to be able to score.

47:38This defense just looks horrible right now, and that's what needs to get better along with many other things.

47:44Leigh Steinberg: Before we continue with our football coverage, really quick, you see that Sports Right Show, who bought that up? And you see my picture in there. For those that thought that I just made an A, I think. No, I am that good looking. Anyway, back to football. And who brought that up between Philadelphia, Chiggles, and the Jacksonville Jowers? I mean, you win in the football game, you kick off, and they return 53 yards and kick a field goal to say goodbye, Philadelphia. And that was from London, if I'm not mistaken. Voice, did you get any chance to see the highlights of this game and how that special teams really brought that up for the Philadelphia Chiggles?

48:27Yeah, I saw the highlights, and I'm telling you, man, the special teams bugged that up because then you give, you know, the Jaguars kicker who they said he's got the strongest leg in the league. You give that man a chance. And by the way, I think that was like about a 50 or 52-yard field goal, if I'm right. 57. That thing could have gone 65 easy if you watch a replay. I mean, he put it through the uprights, and that still had plenty of air. Man, the Eagles, my opinion, the Eagles, not so special teams, bugged that up. That was an incredible game.

49:06Leigh Steinberg: I have the following question for Mr. Wilson. Mr. Wilson, if you noticed previous weeks, the Dallas Cowboys were in a situation they could have won into overtime. They decided to kick the ball into the end zone, and then Lamar did what he did with the seven seconds, called a timeout, and hit the winning field goal. This time, the Philadelphia Chiggles kicked the ball into play, but then they don't cover the punt the right way. What is going on with special teams, especially with the NFC East? Either play didn't work. Neither won. But I think if I go back to what the Dallas Cowboys did versus what Philadelphia did, I'm more in favor of what Philadelphia did, but that special teams definitely bucked that up with that coverage.

49:57So, yeah, yeah, you kick the ball into play, but there's also a such thing as a squib kick, which means that you kick the ball and you let it bounce around a little bit. You don't kick it to the guy who's actually supposed to receive the ball. So you kick it around the 15 or what have you, but you kick it at a low vent at a at a low trajectory where it has to bounce around a little bit. Is that not a thing anymore? I feel like these special teams, they don't use, they're acting real special right now. They're acting like they're trying to recreate something that we used to do this in Madden. They used to actually have a squib quick kick option in Madden.

50:44Why are we kicking it directly to the individual who's supposed to be receiving the ball rather than just getting it into the landing zone but not making it an easy catch where they can set up their blocks, et cetera. We've got to get a little bit more creative with this. And I feel like, yes, I think that what the Eagles did was better than what the Cowboys did because you take some time off the clock and they just didn't cover the kickoff return. But there's also other things in your bag that you can reach for that you can become a little bit more creative. Kick it to the person who's not supposed to receive the ball so time comes off the clock.

51:23I don't know. Maybe I'm crazy.

51:24Leigh Steinberg: Okay. Since this is a ride, I'm going to go really quick back to that game between the Buccaneers and the Cowboys. One quick observation. There was one time the Buccaneers were winning by two possessions. You kick the field goal, you go up by three possessions. He decided to go fourth and one, and the Cowboys come back and score. But then your head coach from the Cowboys decides to go for two. I'm not going to get into it. Let's not even explain it. But you two, you will buck that up, okay? Both of you. Both coaches were trying to lose the damn football game. But anyway, now let's go into Cincinnati went into Miami 31-24.

52:12Leigh Steinberg: Respectively, we got to say the Miami Dolphins have some fighting in them, you know. So, Voice, how you feel about how they play against Cincinnati? They do have a fight in them. I like that. They never give up. It's a young team. They need to know, they need to learn how to win, how to put teams away. You know, they made it a competitive game towards the end. However, they ended up losing a game, and they have a bye week now. and I also like the accountability of all the players. All you hear the players saying, hey, we've got to be accountable. Each one of us, we have to be accountable. People are blaming Willis, you know, and with good reason, a quarterback.

52:58Malik Willis because, I mean, he had just, I mean, it was a bad game. But then again, this is my question. How can you measure a quarterback that has nobody to throw it to, no playmakers, a whole bunch of most rookies, you know, receivers in the line. It's just right now the offensive, you know, just the offensive, oh, it's really bad at Miami. So how can you evaluate his play? That's a tough one for me right there.

53:28Leigh Steinberg: Yeah, I mean, it's very tough to evaluate a team that is so depleted in so many positions. but they're actually trying their best to compete. Let's put it that way. Let's be a competing product and not just be the laughingstock of the league. So I will say this. They're showing a fighting spirit, in my opinion, which is good. The one that didn't show a fighting spirit at all was the Vegas Raiders. Since they got destroyed by the New England Patriots, 45-17, the game was so out of hand that we saw for the first time Fernando Mendoza he went 6 out of 8 with 48 yards nothing to 75 % completion percentage but it was nothing because he was garbage time by the time he came in so it should be more vanilla defense that he was playing against and I'll be the first one to say it but I think his entrance to the NFL is going to be sooner than later because the The Vegas Raiders are now showing who we're expecting them to be.

54:36Leigh Steinberg: And, yes, they overachieved in the first three games of the season, but they got destroyed in every phase of the game against the New England Patriots. Mr. Wilson, Drake may start playing ball now. Now we're seeing the quarterback that everybody's suspect. I don't know what happened in the first three weeks that he was not there, but since beating Buffalo, he's a different man now. What do you think is going to happen with New England, and can they win the division over Buffalo?

55:07Um, I wouldn't go that far. I wouldn't go that far to saying that they can beat out Buffalo. I still have Buffalo favorite as a favorite in that division. The Raiders defense was, was bad. Their running game was abysmal. Um, Gentty rushed 10 times for 27 yards. Um, when it comes to the overall balance of the offense, it just was not there whatsoever for the, for the Las Vegas Raiders. Um, but they've been showing good signs and I don't think that this is a reason to necessarily jump off the bandwagon. Um, not Not that anybody was on the bandwagon. The bandwagon's got plenty of space on it. Let's just be real.

55:55But at the end of the day, I still think that the Raiders are competitive. They only rushed the ball like 16 times, 18 times, something like that. And I just feel like the Patriots in Foxborough, you expect this kind of result. You don't want to see the Raiders kind of give it up in this manner. but I think it's fine. And even with Drake with me, there's still a lot of answers to come. So he's still got a lot of proving ahead of him, but it does seem like he's getting back to himself from last year.

56:34Leigh Steinberg: And I'll get into Buffalo later on. And, you know, even though they came up with a victory against the Rams, they play an awful game and they're not playing that well. So I got something different to say regarding what's going to happen with that division at the end of the year. But let's go into basically after that, the Vegas getting destroyed by the New England Patriots. The Minnesota Vikings took care of business in New Orleans and beat the Saints 23 to 13. And they're one of the three teams that are still undefeated in the National Football League. Offensively, nothing to be impressed about the playing of Kyle Murray with the Minnesota Vikings.

57:17Leigh Steinberg: but that defense, you know, is stellar. So that's why they're winning football games the way they are. Voice, do you think the Minnesota Vikings can win the Super Bowl with Kyler Murray? Oh, man, that's a tough one. I mean, if they're going to win, it's going to be mostly because of the defense. We go back to Flores, you know, Brian Flores' scheme, it's tremendous. Can they win it? Yeah, but I think it'll have to be carried by that defense, not so much by Colin Murray. I don't know what you guys think about that, but I see it more of as a, you know, if they win, it would be because of the defense.

57:57Leigh Steinberg: I got you, Mr. Wilson. I think it's going to have to be the defense and defense only because the running game is not there. I know Mason will come back, I think, next week, if I'm not mistaken. Aaron Jones has done a decent job. You know, he's still a good veteran in there, but they don't have a solid running game. And Kyler Murray is not, to me, is not the answer for what they were looking for when it comes to the quarterback. I will say this. I think Wentz will end being the starting quarterback for the Minnesota Vikings by the time the end of the season and playoffs time come into play. You think that could happen, or you think Kyler Murray can carry this team all the way through?

58:40It's not flashy, guys. It's not flashy, I can tell you that much, but Kyler Murray was 24 for 30. That's 80 % completion rate. He had 229 yards. He had the touchdown. He had no interceptions. He was sacked twice, but he had a 109 QB rating here. So I know it doesn't look great. It doesn't look like what we would want it to look. But the fact of the matter is he's playing the type of ball that you would want a quarterback to play. He's playing to a ball. That's why he's playing to a ball. Well, again, those numbers, 24 completions for 229 yards and a touchdown, that's not bad when you've got a defense backing you up like they have.

59:27The fact of the matter is you don't want to turn the ball over. You want to make sure that you're not putting your team in short fields, and I think he's doing that. He also had 51 yards on the ground rushing as well. Aaron Jones had 125 yards rushing on 25 carries. I think that this is the type of football team that can play in January. If you're playing this type of game, this is a team that you don't want to have to see in the playoffs. This team, defense wins championships, and this team has it.

1:00:00Leigh Steinberg: Well, I picked them to win the division. That's the one that you sent me to, Concussion Protocol. But anyway, I remember that. That's not true because I picked them as my dark horse. I said they could also win the division. Oh, you sent me because I said the Lions are not making the playoffs. Oh, that's why. Okay, yeah, yeah. And it's still good. Still, the Lions are not making the playoffs. You ain't the only one who keeps receipts. I got receipts too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got better receipts than yours anyway. But anyway, we had the pineapple ball between the New York Jets and the Cleveland Browns.

1:00:35I thought that, you know, we were going to continue to see vintage.

1:00:40Leigh Steinberg: Oh, my God. I deserve a massage. But no, Watson. Deshaun Watson. Yeah, Deshaun didn't play. Deshaun, I deserve a massage Watson. That's his name here at the Sports Right Show. Mr. Wilson, you can say his name if you want to. No? I'm not big on nicknames Oh yeah I got you But anyway the Jets got a victory Second one of the season And Cleveland is going back to their true colors Like Mr. Wilson mentioned a few weeks ago So He must be a happy guy seeing Deshaun Watson Not playing well Because I guess just like lifetime Concussion protocol You want to see Sadoo Sanders Being the quarterback of the Cleveland Browns Mr.

1:01:26Leigh Steinberg: Wilson? No, listen, there's not a hate and bone in my body. A player lets a player play. So at the end of the day, truthfully, I don't root against Deshaun Watson. I want to see all these guys do well. Why? Because I love good football. I love seeing good players play good football. It just wasn't a good game for Deshaun Watson. And we'll see how this season progresses. Ultimately, he's just got to get better. And hopefully he does. Yeah. The victory for the Jets just cements the fact that the Dolphins are going to be in last place for that division, for sure. Because they're not winning two games.

1:02:03Leigh Steinberg: So, that's it, boys. That's fine. Yeah. The Jets don't look bad. The Jets don't look bad. Aaron Glenn is, they don't look bad. That's fine. Listen, 1-16. That's what I want. Just win that one game. That's it. That's what I want. Then we had the Steelers that were hosting the Indianapolis Colts, and they put 34 in there. Indianapolis got no defense. They got offense, but they got no defense at all. It's tough for them. And for the Steelers, I love the way Aaron Rodgers play. Rodger that, baby. Rodger that. You know, and it's ironic. Him and the coach were arguing, and supposedly from the sidelines, Coach McCartney, don't be an asshole.

1:02:52To Aaron Rodgers the prior week. And look, he comes out and lights up. And they get an important victory over the Indianapolis Colts. Boys, did you get a chance to see any highlights how Mr. Rodgers operated for that game? You know what? I didn't get to see the highlights. But like you said, man, I mean, you know, you're talking about this John Watson, right? can he bounce back? Can he be the quarterback of the first couple of weeks? You know why? Because, man, listen, you know I'm a Dolphins fan, and you know what we're going through. But, man, Cleveland has been suffering forever, man. That team has gone through so much, so many quarterbacks, so many defeats.

1:03:40I wouldn't mind seeing them do something for once. You know what I mean? That way, then it's almost assured that we're going to get the number one. Okay. So that's why I wanted to see him.

1:03:51Leigh Steinberg: We were talking about Aaron Rodgers, but since you brought Deshaun, I deserve a massage Watson. We're hoping that he does well. I do. I like the guy. I hope he does well. And I love what Aaron Rodgers did in that football game against the Colts. And he looked amazing. He looked amazing for that game. What was even more ridiculous was Jalen Warren from the running back and the receiving aspect of it. The guy was outstanding, 188 all-purpose yards, two TDs. It was a heck of a show. And I want to say this defense kept Jonathan Taylor, which I know you have a lot of admiration for, Jonathan Taylor, 45 yards on 15 carries.

1:04:39That's three yards average, which is unheard of when it comes to that guy because he can pop one at any point.

1:04:45Leigh Steinberg: Yeah, he killed me in fantasy football. By the way, there's a guy out there that has won three in a row, and he's just killing everybody. The voice? Voice, who you defeated this past week?

1:05:00Oh, man. Oh. Wait, wait, wait. Let me see if I get it right. Was it Lord Baby Jesus? Lord, baby, Jesus went down again, baby. Woo! Jesus. Oh, my God. Hey, but what's going on with so many players getting injured, though, man? What is going on? Oh, no, no. It's an epidemic out there, bro. Dropping like flies out there. I hope that they can extend the room of IR on fantasy football and make it like six players so that way, you know, you can have a team. Jesus, Lord. Anyway, Houston went into Tennessee. They get the first victory of the season, of course, is the Titans. That could be the team that gets the number one pick over the Dolphins.

1:05:47Leigh Steinberg: I think they play worse football than the Dolphins itself. But they're not going to pick a quarterback, so don't worry about it. That's right. They got Cam. That's right. You sure about that? They ain't going to pick a quarterback. They got Cam. My man, I don't know. They're not happy over there with him. And he's coming out of Tennessee. Archie, nobody's going to do better with what he's doing. Oh, I don't think Archie will be the number one pick. Mr. Wilson, you said Archie. Well, whoever is Carr from Notre Dame, it doesn't matter. That's just a bad team. Cam is the guy for me. Well, remember, I've always said it.

1:06:29I'm tired of saying it, man. And I'm not trying to defend Cam or any other quarterback out there. But everything in football starts up front. I don't give a damn who's throwing the ball. I don't give a damn who's running behind that O-line. If the O-line ain't doing their jobs, they're not winning, period. Yeah. That's it. It's simple.

1:06:49Leigh Steinberg: Besides the victory from the Houston Texans, what really I want to talk about is the trade they made with Arizona. It didn't make no sense to me. Harrison Jr., I know if we go into the soundbites, and I want to find it because there was a show that I went and said, maybe you're getting picked this high because your last name. And I said it before that draft, and then, you know, I think he was number two of a role, I think he was. Something like that, yeah. Somewhere around that area. But I thought he was getting picked because of the last name, not because all the ability. I'm not saying he's a bad player.

1:07:25That's Archie Manning. Oh, that too. That too. I mean, we'll get into that. But Harrison Jr., why you give up a second-round pick for a guy that is not producing? I don't get it, Houston. I hope he goes out there and lights out, you know, with Nico Collins and the rest of those guys. But if he goes back to exactly what he was doing in Arizona, I don't know what to tell you. I think I would have gave him a fifth and a sixth round and say, hey, let me have him.

1:07:58Leigh Steinberg: You know, it is what it is. You know, he's a boss as a number one pick. Maybe he comes here, has a resurgence on his career, and great. But to give up a second-round pick for that guy, ridiculous. Who bought that up in Texas? Hey, listen, the kid is real. The kid is real. He did not fit the system in Arizona. But I think that Marvin Harrison Jr., what he did in college, he was just blazing. The dude is legit. and I think that he's going to have a second opportunity in Houston. I think that he'll be just fine. I think this is a resurgence of his career, and the kid works hard. If you ask anybody, the kid works hard.

1:08:42The system just may be better. Well, he better because his daddy will beat him up. Anyway, go ahead, boys. One thing about that, Mr. Wilson, check it out. So you're right about all that because, you know, Ohio State, he was just absolutely – I mean, he was almost a God's – you know, amongst receivers, right? What I heard a lot of people say, I'm talking about, you know, all these social media places and experts, whatever you want to call them. They're saying that he wasn't even giving much effort out there. I don't know how true is that. But they were saying that the guy was just going through emotions and just, you know, playing here and there, and I got a catch and that's fine.

1:09:19I don't know, man, if you want to trade for somebody who basically, according to them, didn't care much, even though the system didn't feel like you said, But what makes you think that he's going to give an effort somewhere else?

1:09:31Leigh Steinberg: Well, long-time executive. I guess we'll have to see. Long-time executive Pat Kerwin at the Moving the Chain says he needs to find out if he's still in love with the game. That's exactly what he said. If he's not, Houston just gave away a second-round pick. I think it's a fifth and a second round for that trade. I think so, yeah. Yeah. Second pick is the one that's bugging me, and I say who bugged that up at the front office in Houston? We'll have to put a pin in this. I think that we'll be coming back to it. Oh, you're going to keep your receipt? Oh, look how cute, how special. Anyway, something that we don't get often, but we got it between the New York Giants and the Washington Redskins because I'm old school, but the Commanders and the New York Giants played for a 27-27 tie.

1:10:21Leigh Steinberg: There was a mishandle at the end of the game by quarterback Daniels and Coach Queen just didn't manage the time the correct way. What went wrong there, Mr. Wilson? Because they were supposed to win the football game.

1:10:41A lot of things happened there. In terms of Jaden Danes, he's just got to be better in my mind. This is not something that is – as a quarterback, you should know whether or not you have timeouts, whether or not you need to get the ball out of bounds, whether or not you know whether or not you should take a sack. And I feel like the entire team is where Dan Quinn becomes culpable. Nobody seemed to know really what was happening. Nobody was rushing back to the line. They're like helping each other up and things like that. Like you got like all the time in the world. Where they were field position wise, the game is over once you kick the field goal.

1:11:25So it's not like you even have to kick the ball off like Philadelphia or anything like that. The game is over. You're at the 29, 30-yard line. You kick a 47-yard field goal, and you get out of there because at the end of the day, what are you going to do? With 12 seconds left, are you going to try to push the ball down the field? You're not. A 47-yard field goal is the best-case scenario. You kick the field goal, whether he makes or misses, the game is basically over. But you take the win there, and that was bad by Dan Quinn. But also, you've got to put a lot of the onus on Jalen Williams. I'm sorry, Jalen.

1:11:59So, Jalen Daniels and Coach, you bucked that up for sure.

1:12:05Leigh Steinberg: Big time. Let's go into Chicago and Green Bay. The Bears went into Lambeau Field, and the Packers put on a spank over the Bears. So, Chicago must be happy that they're getting Caleb Mabellon Williams back this week. has been the announcement. So he'll be playing at the game that I'm going to be at in Atlanta with Shai Shika. We're going to be out there with the media group production out of Atlanta, and we're going to go ahead and have some fun during that game, and we'll see exactly what will happen. But Chicago quarterback playing for this game was abysmal, the least to say. So Voice, they say Johnson was not happy how both, you know, backup quarterbacks play.

1:12:52Leigh Steinberg: Green Bay maybe woke up because they were playing bad football. And, you know, they got beat a couple of weeks ago against the Atlanta Falcons in Green Bay in an unfashionable way. They got destroyed. And for them to come back and play this kind of game, and Mika Parsons is not back yet. So any news of Mika Parsons coming anytime soon, Mr. Wilson? Do you have any updates on that? Well, they faced the Cowboys this week, so hopefully not. Not this week, but I've gotten no words. This was the date that he circled, but nothing in terms of news whether or not he will be ready for this upcoming week's game against my Cowboys.

1:13:38That man will come out on crunch just to play you guys again. Hey, listen, I hope he does. You know what I mean? Like I said, I like seeing good football players, and I like to see a good matchup. So bring it, lace them up, line up, and let's do it.

1:13:51Leigh Steinberg: Okay. I'm going to go ahead and just circle myself really quick because I got to talk a little bit about Maybelline Williams. I'm not painting my nails. I just did a booboo on my nail. Okay, so I just want to make that clear before everybody goes crazy with it. But anyway, we're going to be there this Sunday at Mercedes-Benz Stadium in Atlanta. Shai Shika and myself, she couldn't be with us tonight. But we're going to go ahead and have fun in that tailgate and see how we represent the sports right show out there between the Chicago Bears and the Atlanta Falcons from Atlanta, Georgia, baby. And now Denver went in and beat the Los Angeles Chargers.

1:14:32Leigh Steinberg: Chargers. My football playoffs, Super Bowl prediction, everything has gone out the window with the Chargers. I don't know what is happening. I'm going to say very simply, you got to let Eminem go. Because if your team got that bad offensively, that quick, you're not playing to the strengths of your players. You're trying to make your system go into something that won't work with those players. And I think Coach Harbaugh has a hard decision to make, but he needs to make it really quick. This team probably might go 0-6 with this week's game. Broncos, I mean, defensively, they just lost their safety.

1:15:26Leigh Steinberg: He got hurt in the last game, so he's going to be out a couple of weeks is my understanding. But they won an important football game. It's a divisional game, and it was on the road. So very impressive for the Denver Broncos to go in and beat a Chargers team that has so much promise. I was not the only one that was on that wagon thinking that they were going to be very special, but something is not clicking, and in my opinion, it didn't click in Miami, then it's not clicking here, get him out of there. Mr. Wilson, do you think they need to get rid of Mike McDaniels today? Not yet. Not tomorrow.

1:16:06Today. I think the whole thing needs to be blown up. I think that it's just it's not going anywhere. Justin Herbert has a lot to prove as well. And truthfully, how many more chances are we going to be given him? We have to look at this and we have to say you are who the stats say you are. For this year, for this year, because before that, he was balling. Balling like what, though? He had the most yards in the first four years than any other quarterback in the history of the game, including Marino. He was also turning the ball over at an existential rate. Keep talking while I find out. Losing football games in that manner.

1:16:54Okay, I understand that you can throw the ball around the field. That's great. But can you protect the ball and can you make sure that you put your team in the position to win? That's the quarterback's responsibility. And he's shown over and over again that he's been incapable of doing that. Also, when it comes to him going down the field and closing out games, he's shown himself inept at doing that. So at this point, production matters and what you do in those moments matter. I speak the same thing about Dak Prescott all the time. Believe you me, I'm not being biased about this at all. Justin Herbert really needs to become that quarterback that the team can trust in the most critical moments.

1:17:35Bo Nix is a better quarterback at this point in that division than Justin Herbert. We got to just be real about that. Is Bo Nix a better quarterback than Justin Herbert? If we just take their overall success in terms of what they've done and what they've shown themselves capable of doing?

1:17:52Leigh Steinberg: Okay, I'm going to contradict everything that you're trying to say about his career because percentage completion, 666.6 in his rookie year. I never said anything about any of that. I said critical moments. Talk to me about game-winning drives. You bring that up, and then we have a real discussion. Well, he's been in the playoffs. It's like, you know, then we got to say the same thing about Josh Allen. In critical moments, he doesn't produce, and that's why Buffalo don't make it to the Super Bowl? In critical moments, Josh Allen has shown himself to be elite. He had 13 seconds that he left Patrick Mahomes, and Patrick Mahomes just showed himself to be that guy.

1:18:33So it's not like Josh Allen hasn't put his team in positions to win when we sit there and we say, oh, this game is squarely on Josh Allen's shoulders. We can do that with Justin Herbert on multiple occasions. I'm going to go with this.

1:18:45Leigh Steinberg: 31-10, 38-15, 25-10, 20-7, 23-3, 26-13, and this year 5-7. To me, it's very clear. Mike McDaniels had to go. Bye. You are not playing to the strengths of the quarterback. You're playing to whatever La La Land game plan you have. In my opinion, he needs to go and let this kid do what he was doing before that. In my opinion. What do you think about that, boys? I'm with you. I'm with you. Look, he was the number six overall pick for me. Before you continue, before you continue, Mr. Wilson, you heard what he said. He's with me. Anyway, go ahead, boys. Give us your thoughts about this one. Look, man.

1:19:33I mean, look. It's been proven. The guy's got talent, okay? He was the number six overall pick for a reason. Now, this year, I think you're right, man, because what game is it? Five or six a game? And it still looks really bad out there, okay? So I can't put it all on him. McDaniels also has to be blamed. Well, I would blame when he goes to him because have you seen sometimes the body language from Herbert, like when he gets sacked, when he throws the pick or something, you know, he pounds the dirt. That's not him. his first four or five years, I never seen him so frustrating. You know what I mean?

1:20:11So something's got to give. And you're right what you're saying about Harbaugh having a tough decision. So he doesn't go now, or he goes, hey, Dolphins, I think we won the number one pick overall. I don't know. They're playing bad, bad, bad football right now, the Chargers. And I drank the Kool-Aid at the beginning of the year. I thought that, hell, I thought that Herbert was going to be amongst, you know, the finalists for, you know. MVP. MVP. I was with you. I was with you. And that's why you both agree with each other, and that's why you both are wrong. But that's fine. Go ahead. Oh, please.

1:20:49I just gave you some of the numbers out there. You are criticizing Herbert's moments and everything else, and we will have to talk about Lamar. We will have to talk about Josh Allen. We'll be here on week long. And you can never point it to them as they were the individuals who were dropping passes. We put that on Mark Andrews. We put that on coaching a lot of times. Justin Herbert has been the reason and the finger that we can point to and say it was you. You didn't play up the standards. Right now he had five touchdowns, seven interceptions. Who can we put those seven interceptions on? I have not seen Mike McDaniels throw a pass all season.

1:21:31but he's putting on a system that doesn't work for the strength of the other player okay but you get but you just gave me issue for bringing up marvin harrison and then you said oh they shouldn't have given him a second round pick so system matters now no no no no we're talking about what system harrison hasn't done anything you know to say hey wow what what numbers you put in the pass. And you'd be playing another different type of football. He doesn't throw the ball to himself. I know that, but still, but he's not playing. He was supposed to be all out, the number one guy over there. And he didn't do it.

1:22:09I defer back to you guys. He's affected

1:22:14Leigh Steinberg: by the Cowboys loss to the Buccaneers. Do you put all the blame this year on Justin Herbert? Do you put 100 % of the blame on Justin Herbert, or do you put a little bit on McDaniels too. Listen, I definitely put blame on McDaniels, but the same way that we go at Tua for his bad decision making, why is Herbert exempt from all of those things? He's been in the league for just as many years, and he still makes poor decisions. He still makes very bad mistakes. This year he is. Down the stretch. At this point, what point do we treat Justin Herbert like he treats Tua? But that is only this year. Are you trying to say that he made so many bad decisions in the past.

1:22:56Okay, so he's been the golden child every other year. You haven't been watching football, apparently. No, I'm not saying he was the golden child, but he's not as bad as you talking about him. He wasn't. No, he hasn't been that guy. You just don't like him. That's all. Anyway, I think you watch it. I don't go into hating players. I think you'll play Chetor Sanders before you play him. I don't go into hating players. I don't hate players. I literally just go off of what we're seeing. He's making too many mistakes, and he's been in the league for too long to be doing those types of things in critical moments.

1:23:32That's it. But also, you can't regress this much on year 506, whatever year this is for him. You just cannot go backwards out of nowhere. I'm not saying he was kidding the league his first four or five years. He wasn't. He wasn't, but he had great numbers. But how do you regress on year six or whatever? I mean, all I'm saying is this. Yeah, I mean, he's the one throwing the passes. He's the one running the ball. He's the one scrambling, whatever, calling the plays in the huddle. But you don't regress this much, okay, the first five, six games of the season when the first four or five years, he wasn't this bad.

1:24:12He was not that bad. He's had stretches where he's been this bad. It just so happens to be at the beginning of the season this year. Yeah, but not many. So many games in a row. That's what I'm trying to tell you. Even with the depleted offensive line last year, he got good numbers. I don't know what you're talking about, Mr. Wilson. I'll give him this. He's had injuries just as he's had in the past. There's been offensive line issues in terms of injuries. Ladd McConkie has missed time this year. I get all of that. But where do we put the onus on Justin Herbert? I don't feel like he gets the same type of criticism that a lot of other quarterbacks would get.

1:24:51Well, he should not get it because he played well the first five years of his career. Oh, yeah. He's won five Super Bowls. Oh, my God. Yeah, Josh Allen, too. Josh Allen got five and Lamar got seven. Yeah, I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah. Five and seven with the other two. Please. There's no way that Justin Herbert is. I apologize to all the fans out there. there for this. You just show your lack of knowledge in terms of football. You're actually mentioning Justin Herbert in the same sentence as Josh Allen. Do you understand that right now? No, no, no, no, no, no. Do you understand that you're doing that right now?

1:25:29What I'm saying is, what you're saying is no, I'm not saying he's better than those two guys. Well, I mention it because they haven't won the Super Bowl, and you keep saying like... You don't know what you're talking about on this one. If you're bringing those two guys up, keep it movement. Well, this is a guy that has four-year records over any other quarterback in the history of the game. Josh Allen to Justin Herbert. That's just crazy talk. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. You're not understanding that one, Mr. Wilson. Not at all. No, wait a second, boys. We're not going to get down on this one.

1:26:01No, no, no, no, no, no. You've got to understand the following. This is a guy that was setting records. And like the boys said, how can you go from, in your opinion, average quarterback to Tua, because that's basically what is happening. What we're watching in L.A. with the Chargers is Tua right-handed at 6 '5". That's exactly what you're getting. So to me, it's a system that really doesn't work. Maybe you want to be so sophisticated on your football language, Mr. McDaniels, that it doesn't really work. Maybe you have one year of glorious time and everybody thought, you know, including myself, I drank the Kool-Aid thinking that this guy with Herbert, it was going to be the world.

1:26:52But I have to tell you, if I was the owner of the Chargers, I would have made the decision already after week four. Because my all-star quarterback, my franchise quarterback, and I'm not saying he's better than Lamar or Josh Allen. But the equivalent is this. All those three quarterbacks don't have a fucking Super Bowl. Okay? So we cannot be here talking like, oh, you wouldn't compare it with that one, with that one. Well, none of them got a Super Bowl. How many do? You sound like a fan. How many do? No, no, no. I'm not sounding like a fan. I'm giving you the facts right there. The facts are that Lamar has zero Super Bowls.

1:27:32Josh Allen got zero Super Bowls. and they're not even made a Super Bowl appearance. None of them have. So for you to come out here and be disgraced about Justin Herbert, I think it's totally wrong. That's what I'm saying. No, what you're doing is you're bringing up Super Bowls, but that has nothing to do in terms of comparison of their play. You haven't brought up Sam Darnold once in this conversation and he has a Super Bowl ring. Sam Lodal-Darko. Because Super Bowl rings are not the all be it of what a quarterback looks like. Of course. I agree with you on that one. So there's a whole bunch of quarterbacks who don't have Super Bowl rings.

1:28:12Nick Foles has a Super Bowl ring. We're not bringing him up in this conversation because he doesn't belong. What I'm saying is Justin Herbert does not belong in the same conversation as Josh Allen. And I think that anybody who watches football would understand that and agree. We should go ahead and do a vote and see what they think. Except you will have to take this year out. Tampa Bay has two Super Bowls. Hey, listen, boys. Tampa Bay has two Super Bowls in the last 30 years, and we beat the Cowboys last week. Oh, shit.

1:28:42Leigh Steinberg: I'm sorry. He came back. Just saying, just saying. I know some people are butthurt, but we know how it feels to win a Super Bowl twice in the last 30 years. It's just a game for me, guys. It's just a game that I love. Boys, you have something to say. Go ahead, boys. All I was going to say is this. You know, before Sports Bob, you know, said it, I could compare Herbert to those two great quarterbacks, which are Allen and Mark Jackson. I mean, there are a couple of beasts out in the league, and when it comes play time, they choke. So none of them got a Super Bowl. None of them got a Super Bowl. So I do compare them on that front.

1:29:24Anyway. Gino, how about all the 15 teams? How the hell did that? Oh, he left.

1:29:28Leigh Steinberg: Leave him alone. Leave him alone. Let him go play PlayStation. And since we're talking about PlayStation, let's talk about the Detroit Lions went into Arizona. And, of course, they play Arizona. And they probably wish they can play Arizona for the rest of the year. That way they can make the playoffs with Coach PlayStation Campbell. I'm going to say it again. They're not making the playoffs. How do you like that game, Mr. Wilson, between the Lions and the Cardinals?

1:29:57Yeah. The Lions.

1:30:02Yeah. The Lions did their thing. You know what I mean? Ultimately, they won 45 to 21.

1:30:10Leigh Steinberg: Yeah, yeah. I mean, they just, I mean, they're a better football team than Arizona. We can agree upon that one. Correct. Yeah. And Jameer Gibbs went out there. He did his thing. Jared Goff had a great game as well. I think that this team is still going to be in the running when it comes. You don't have a player like Jameer Gibbs in an offense with weapons like I'm on Ross St. Brown. And, you know, I mean, like there's just too much there for it not to lead to a playoff contention. I will say the defense does need to get better. They only allowed Arizona 21 points, but it is the Arizona Cardinals.

1:30:52they've got things to correct but i think that the detroit lions will be just fine i'll keep this

1:30:56Leigh Steinberg: one short uh voice uh you think uh coach hamble makes the playoffs with the lions can they roar can they roar instead of meow hell i said it at the beginning of the season i i think that we're gonna win the division remember when i said that and you wanted to put me sit right next to chino and yeah you should go back you should go in there with him yeah definitely anyway hey hey It can still happen, man. Come on now. Listen, the 49ers has been the team that has to look the most complete team in the NFC. Okay? I'm not saying that the Rams are not going to be at the end because I still think they're going to be at the end, too.

1:31:34But this is a great opportunity, like Mr. Wilson says. If they, you know, fix the defense or whatever it is, talking about the Lions, hey, man, the NFC is wide open. Besides, you know, let's put the Niners for now on the side. The Niners are playing absolutely incredible football when it comes to the NSE.

1:31:52Leigh Steinberg: You know who the 49ers are reminding me? George Foreman. I'm old, but I'm still winning. I'm still the champ. That's exactly when I look at the 49ers. That's an old, savvy veteran team that is winning football games with whatever they got to do. So let me ask the two of you. You still think the Rams are winning the division? because I know I picked them to win that division. They're three games back. They're not winning that division. They're not winning that division. The 49ers, I think that that's too big of a hole, especially with the way that the 49ers – the 49ers are going to lose some games.

1:32:28I'm not saying they're going to go undefeated, but this early in the season, three games back, and with the way that 49ers – No, and not just that. They beat Seattle, the defending champions, last week in Seattle. Yep. 32-29. I don't know. That last play, it was – Oh, the one we copped that he should have got the first down and they say no. I don't know. That was iffy. To me, he got the first down. Did you see the play, Mr. Wilson? I saw it.

1:32:55Leigh Steinberg: Yeah, I saw it. Are you still upset about what we said about Herbert? Because I see you're like a little bit limited. A little bit limited there. When I asked you about Cup or Cup, I said, did you think it was a first down? And you were like, yeah, yeah, yeah. I want to give you guys the floor as well I feel like I've been talking a lot we all be talking we all be talking don't drink that Kool-Aid thinking that you know you guys already know how I get about this ultimately at the end of the day it's just sports I don't I got nothing riding on it I don't do any of that so ultimately I call it the way I see it I got no hate for no player I think that these guys are all extraordinary legendary athletes but yes yeah i think the cooper cup i think that it was it was a first down i think they should have moved yeah i think they should have moved the chains i'll be honest with you i saw the plan i go what else did he needed to do to make it a first time well well the thing the thing is that now back in the day um the the the first down line went all the way around the equator so you didn't have to be in bounds it's just that your foot couldn't have touched out of So as long as you stretch the ball past the first down line, even if you were out of bounds, if your feet didn't touch, you were still in bounds.

1:34:16Now the ball has to remain within the field of play. And because he was stretching it out and he was out of bounds and the ball didn't cross the line in the field of play. That's the reason why I prefer the old school rule because I think that it adds a level or a wrinkle to the, to the defense and what the offense is able to do. But now you see a lot of quarterbacks when they run, they'll stretch the ball out with their inside hand because they have to keep the ball in play to make sure that the ball stays within the field of play to get the additional yardage.

1:34:51Leigh Steinberg: 49ers, besides being undefeated, they had defeated already Seattle and the Rams within the division. So I think they beat Arizona too, yeah? Yeah, I think they did already. Yeah, I believe so as well. Yeah, so they are 3-0 in the division. They're 5-0. No, it's going to be very hard. Yeah. Unless, you know, CMC gets hurt, God forbid, or Mike Evans, any of these guys, you know, Kittle, you know. That's the only worry with the 49ers. Go ahead. During injury, there's no catching this team. They're playing at a super high clip. It seems like everybody's on the same page and Kyle Shanahan has everybody clicking Brock Purdy right now.

1:35:40You would have to say that he's maybe front runner for MVP. I don't know anybody that you could really place ahead of him right now outside of maybe Josh Allen, who already has a loss this year. So right now, I think that he has to be the consensus favorite at this point at this juncture.

1:35:58Leigh Steinberg: You know, like you said, bearing any injuries, are we going to see the 49ers out of the NFC going against the Kansas City Cheaters again in the Super Bowl? Bam.

1:36:15Well, the Kansas City's back in the narrative. They're back in the conversation. Yes, they are. Especially with K-9. And, you know, I think that this is the first time in a few years that we can really say that Patrick Mahomes and Kelsey and all these guys be enemy at calling the plays, that they have a running back or running game that can be sustained, of course, again, barring injury. You know, we don't calculate those types of things. But if they can continue to click like this, K-9, the former or the reigning Super Bowl MVP and Super Bowl champion, Again, this looks like a tough team to beat.

1:36:53Leigh Steinberg: I will say this. Seattle misses K-9. They made a mistake not resigning him. They're probably biting their asses and go, who bucked that up here? You know, because definitely somebody bucked that up and decided not to sign him. So now the Kansas City Cheaters are back in the picture. Now the Baltimore Ravens went into Atlanta, where we're going to be this week. The SportsWise show is going to make presents at that game between the Chicago Bears and the Atlanta Falcons from Mercedes-Benz Stadium in Atlanta, Georgia. The Baltimore Ravens went in there. They were losing this game big time. Atlanta was playing for the first three and a half quarters the way they were playing the last two games and suddenly became the Atlanta Falcons that played the first two games of the season.

1:37:41Leigh Steinberg: And that's how the Baltimore Ravens came in and got the victory in overtime, if I'm not mistaken, correct? 30-23? Yeah. And my boy King Henry put on a show and, you know, only did what he needed to do, which is, you know, try to play free mistake football and let Henry do the rest, and they came out with the victory. I'm impressed with Baltimore winning without Lamar Jackson. I thought they were going to lose. I said it on last week's picks. I said, if Lamar is not playing, Atlanta should win this football game. But they showed that they got some character that, you know, even though they were missing their own Superman, they can win football games.

1:38:21So let's see what happens this week.

1:38:26Leigh Steinberg: But Atlanta didn't look good at all. Right at the end of that fourth quarter and the overtime didn't look good. And we saw Tua. Why you bring that up? Why you bring that up? I'm surprised I didn't say that Tua's been holding a clipboard all year long and then he goes into the game. Frozen in the game. Yeah, he became what he has been all along, except for that one year with the Dolphins. He went and said, okay, 53 million, let's throw a pick. I'm going back to the bench. Why not? Good, great. It's so sad to see the guy come into the game and go and do what everybody – I was actually on a business trip.

1:39:06I was on a ship in the middle of the ocean, And everybody at the sports bar that I was watching this game with, they were like, oh, if he comes into the game, don't worry about it. Baltimore, you got a chance because he's going to give you one. Boom. He threw three passes, completed two. The one that he didn't complete was an interception. Just typical tour. Typical tour. And then the Monday night game was between the Buffalo Bills and the LA Rams at Suffice Stadium. and Josh Allen, 12 out of 19,

1:39:42Leigh Steinberg: but on the ground he looked like he was Thurman Thomas. My God, 121 yards on 10 rushes. He took over that football game with his legs, not with his arm. And they had 13 penalties. They were very bad on third down conversion and still come and win the football game. And a few weeks ago, they had five turnovers, and they still win the football game. How long this type of football can continue and you be on the right side of things by getting victories? I don't think it can last that long. Voice, I'm going to let you explain that one. And what do you think? You think if they continue to play the way they've been playing, and I know they're getting victories, but they're making a lot of mistakes.

1:40:35Leigh Steinberg: The third down efficiency was abysmal, you know. But you got to give them credit. They have come in and they win the football game and Josh Allen is wearing the MVP cape. Fine. But I don't think it can last that long to continue to win games. And that's why I think the New England Patriots can win this division. What do you think, Boyce? You're right about that because they can beat the not-so-good teams in the league. even when making all those mistakes, but there won't be the better or elite teams out there. Once again, going back to the Rams, I don't know what the hell is going on there, but with so many mistakes, no, they wouldn't survive the rest of the season.

1:41:20And that's what I'm saying. That's the reference that I made a few minutes ago about that I can say, hey, you know what, Herbert at least, I can put him along with Josh Allen because he's a beast during the regular season, come playoff time. He chokes. But asking to your question, no. They just won't. There's too many mistakes. They've been lucky. They found ways to win even after doing, you know, making all types of bad mistakes. But it's going to come back to bite them in the ass. You know that.

1:41:49Leigh Steinberg: There we go. You know, you and I tonight, we're like twin flames, twin flavor instead of you and Mr. Wilson. Mr. Wilson, what do you think about what But the voice and I were thinking about the Buffalo Bills and the way they're playing football. And we'll give them credit. They are winning football games, but not in a pretty way. Yeah, you get no objection in terms of those things. The defense for the Buffalo Bills got diced. Puka Nakua had 17 receptions. That type of thing can't happen. You referenced it two for seven on third downs. That's not going to get the job done. Josh Allen had a horrible first half as well.

1:42:37So those things are all true. Buffalo needs to be better. Joe Brady needs to get them in better positions. This defense needs to play better. And the truth of the matter is that if Meeves, the Rams kicker, Harold Meeves, I believe his name is. Yeah, he got let go. If he wasn't 0 for 2 with the field goals, they win this game by three.

1:43:03Leigh Steinberg: He was replaced. I think he was let go yesterday. And they got in your paper. As he should be, because a team with this type of Super Bowl aspirations, if you can't show me in the regular season when the weather is nice and everything is perfect and you're at home, that you can hit these field goals, there's no way we can trust you. And so far, it's a dome. What's that? So far, this is a dome, if I'm not mistaken. Correct. Yeah, it's a controlled atmosphere. And again, you're at home. It's early in the season. If we can't trust you to hit these at this point, we can't trust you to be in clutch situations when it really counts in January to be able to get the team.

1:43:45And we need you to kick these field goals, and we need you to kick them through the upright.

1:43:49Leigh Steinberg: Before we pick our games for Week 6, up to week four. I didn't count week five. My bad, guys. You know, I was on the least time birth thing. You know, I watched Jerry Maguire like seven times this week. I thought I was going to be able to talk about the movie a little bit more. I was giving my aspirations to become an actor. But I guess it's not because there won't be no Jerry Maguire. Anyway, The Voice. 41 wins, 23 losses is in number one place after four weeks of picks we'll count the fifth next week I promise and we'll have him here but he is winning right now Mr. Wilson, 39 and 25 only two games away from the boys and then I come up 37 and 27 so I'm only four games, two games from Mr.

1:44:41Wilson and Shai Sheik she's in last place because she missed week one, so she's 26 and 18

1:44:48Leigh Steinberg: so she won't catch up she's having the same problems as the chargers uh there's no way she's getting out of that hole but anyway uh we've been picking and now we got some amazing games and i will say this if bo nix doesn't get hurt last year i think that will be the super bowl seattle and denver and now we got seattle going into denver seattle just lost a crucial uh divisional game and they got to go over there to Denver with the altitude and everything else. They're both three and two. I think both teams need the game to establish themselves that they can stay within the graphs of the division.

1:45:35And ironically, both are playing with the two teams in front ahead of them. They're undefeated. So they got to win. This is going to be a heck of a football game.

1:45:45Leigh Steinberg: Seattle and Denver. My problem is that offense by Denver. And then I have a problem with the Seattle defense. They haven't looked that great at all this year. So what's going to give? Mr. Wilson, who do you think can win that football game between the Seattle Seahawks, the defending champions, against the Denver Broncos? Man, and even the Seahawks running game is just, with the loss of Kenneth Walker III, it's been rough. Like you stated previously, I think they might be looking back on that decision and second-guessing that one. Nonetheless, I feel like with Hufanga, the safety for the Broncos being out, he adds so much to that defense.

1:46:39I think that the Seattle Seahawks can take this with JSN streaking down the field without that over-the-top coverage. So I'm going to go Seahawks. You got Seahawks. What about you, Voice? You got the Seahawks or you got the Denver Broncos? So I know the game is in Denver. Mile High Stadium is really hard to win in Denver. However, the Seahawks lost a controversial game versus perhaps the best team in the league right now, the 49ers. I got the Seattle Seahawks winning this game in Denver. Wow.

1:47:12Leigh Steinberg: Shoot. I'm four games behind. I cannot keep picking the same teams that you guys pick if I want to catch you up. Is this one you want to go opposite? Is this a good one? You know how a lot of those shows out there, you know, the guys go, I'm going to pick this team because I'm trying to catch up. I'm going to take the home team. I'm going to take the home cooking. and I'm going to take the Denver Broncos or the Seattle Seahawks on a very, very, very close game. It's not a bad pick to go the other way. This is a toss-up. Exactly. Yeah, so I'm taking the Broncos. Now we got Houston going into Jacksonville.

1:47:54I know, Houston, you got a victory over Tennessee. Whoop-y-whoop.

1:47:59Leigh Steinberg: Now you go against the guys that are in first place within the division, the Jacksonville Jaguars 4-1, and they're playing good football in both sides, offensively and defensively. I think the winning streak of the Houston Texans stops at one. I'm taking the Jacksonville Jaguars. Who you got, Voice? Yeah, man, I'm with you here. I remember my prediction at the beginning of the season that Houston was going to go to the Super Bowl and whatnot. Yeah, that's out the window. So they played, like you said, they beat our boy Cam Ward, but that's the Titans. Titans are nowhere close to being the Jags.

1:48:38I got the Jags and Sunshine winning this game.

1:48:41Leigh Steinberg: There we go. A.K.A. Sunshine. Sunshine. Head and shoulders. And Priest Charlie from Shrek. There we go. I'll say this. The Jaguars have already been over the pond since last week. I think that that plays a huge factor in terms of them being comfortable already, being overseas, not having to deal with travel time for those reasons, and a plethora of others, because Houston, besides beating the Titans, have looked not so great. I'm going to say sunshine comes out in this one as well. We're a trifecta. We're a trifecta with the Jacksonville Jawors. Then we got the Chicago Bears going into Atlanta.

1:49:25Leigh Steinberg: I didn't get the picks from Shai Shika for this week, so she's going to be out two weeks, but I'm going to give it this game. She'll pick the Bears for sure. My only concern is which Atlanta team is going to show up. The first two weeks and the last quarter, last game last week? Or we get the team that won two in a row and they should have put the Baltimore Ravens go to sleep with Lamar Jackson and won that football game, but they didn't. So that's my concern. Caleb Maven Williams is coming back. Wow. I'm going to take Chicago over Atlanta. Who you got, Mr. Wilson? I think part of the issue here is basically what you brought up.

1:50:15You know, this is a Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde kind of scenario when it comes to the Falcons. We really don't know what we're going to get from this team. And for that reason, I'm going to have to go with the team that I feel most confident in. We'll bounce back from a very horrible showing against the Packers. So I got the Bears here. What about you, Royce? You got the Bears or you got the Falcons? I know the Falcons are playing at home. And that home is not like playing in Denver. So I got Williams, Caleb Williams coming back and winning that football game. I got the Bears, man.

1:50:53Leigh Steinberg: Caleb Mabel Williams. I'm going to say it again. Let me go ahead and give me my close-up in here because people might get confused. It's just a boob of my nails. I'm not painting my nails like him, okay? Just want to make that clear, but I got the Bears. Baltimore goes into Cleveland. Shoot. What can happen in this game? Deshaun, I deserve a massage, Watson. Can this be his last game? and then Shador comes in next week, Mr. Wilson?

1:51:29I think it would have to be a really poor outing by him. The guy's been playing fairly well. I don't think that you can place a lot of blame in his direction in terms of the Browns are the Browns, and he's been playing okay. So unless he goes out there and really stinks up the joint, I think that this is a formidable opponent. opponent. I don't think his job is in jeopardy right now, but I do have the Ravens winning this ballgame with Lamar Jackson back.

1:51:57Leigh Steinberg: There we go. I got Lamar Jackson too on the Baltimore Ravens. They say he's coming back this week, so I love that part, but even without him, what they showed me last week against Atlanta, be able to come back when they were so far behind in that game, and I think the shooter never won the football game, but they did. I like Baltimore over Cleveland. Hi, Todd Munkin. What about boys? Baltimore, Cleveland, who you got? Oh, yes, sir. I got Baltimore and Mr. Wood, so I'm with you. Unless Deshaun Watson bucks that up real bad, he's still going to be a quarterback. There we go. Now, Tennessee with an 0-5 record, competing with the Miami Dolphins for the number one pick-over run next year.

1:52:48Leigh Steinberg: going to Indianapolis, and the Colts need a big win to get back to 500 and try to see if they can make it some way somehow as a wildcard team. I'm taking the Colts with my boy Jonathan Taylor having a big week for me since he destroyed me last week in fantasy football. So I'll take the Indianapolis Colts, Pat McAfee, Land, and Indianapolis wins this one big time over Tennessee. Mr. Wilson, I know it's your boy, Cam Ward, but like the boy says, the trenches are just not strong enough to protect him and he has to run for his life. Even that Indianapolis doesn't have a great defense, I think they've got enough to interrupt the rhythm of Tennessee and be able to win.

1:53:38Leigh Steinberg: I think it's going to be a close game. I don't think it's going to be a blowout, to be honest with you. but I'm taking Indianapolis. Who you got, Voice? Man, I wanted to make this game the offset of the week. Cam, love you, man. Thank you for what you did for the U. I got the Colts. You got the Colts. What about you, Mr. Wilson? I know you also love the U like I do too. Child plays. What happened, Voice? Why are you laughing so hard? Why are you laughing so hard? Anyway, since you love the U, Who are you picking? You're picking your boy, Cam War, or are you picking the Indianapolis Colts, Mr. Wilson?

1:54:17Unfortunately, Cam, if there's a fire you're trying to douse, you can't put it out from inside of the house. This is a dumpster fire, my friend, and you are in it. Colts win.

1:54:30Leigh Steinberg: You know, I'm not going to say anything about you anymore. Let me go ahead and go into the New York team. You don't even know who they're playing this week. They're playing that other football team on the other side. Oh, my God. Anyway, New York Jets going to New England to face the Patriots that are playing very well in the last two games. I think they're going to be fine. Christian, my cousin Gonzalez, is coming back after being out for two weeks. So that defense has been playing without their best playmaker. So I see the New England Patriots really put it on a stop on the New York Jets winning streak at one.

1:55:12Leigh Steinberg: So I got the Patriots. What about you, Mr. Wilson, Patriots or Jets? Jets have been playing really well. That has nothing to do with this. Patriots win. Boys, I know you love both teams. You just happen to love one less than the other. I think, I mean, you can correct me, but I'm going to say you're going to take the Patriots because you really love those Jets, don't you? No, no, I'm just going to take the Patriots because they are the way better team. And Drake may give me another 50 points on fantasy football, baby. Oh, he's playing lights out, baby. He's playing lights out. Yeah. New Orleans go into New York to play the Giants.

1:55:58This could be a trap game. I know the Saints haven't been looking that great in the last two games or so. The Giants are playing good football. Not great football, but they're playing good football, and they're doing enough things to at least win or tie the game. So I like the Giants with Winston in there as the quarterback and the bag of craps. Oh, I'm sorry, too soon. Mr. Wilson, who you got? You got the Giants or you got the Saints? Oh, man. Poor Tyler Shuck. Shuck was looking around like, what the Shuck last week? And I'll tell you this. I think that Harbaugh is going to get this organization right.

1:56:44Even without his starting quarterback, Jackson Dart, the Giants have been looking formidable. They've been looking competitive. I think that bodes well for the New York Giants' future. I'm picking the Saints nonetheless. the less. Speaking the shocker of the week. I know why he did that. He's angry about my assessment that I did about the New York Giants before the preseason. And, you know, he was like. Oh, no, that's over already. Oh, that's over. Oh, okay. No, no. I just want to let you know that, you know, they're in first place, by the way. Who you got, boys? Giants or Saints? I got the Giants.

1:57:23They're playing at home, right?

1:57:24Leigh Steinberg: Yes, sir. They're playing in New York. Oh, I got the Giants. They're playing on Jersey. Both of you, Joe. I got the Giants. I got some home cooking. Tween flame. Tween flavors. Crab leg boy is going to do a good enough job as the quarterback position. And I got to add that they were talking about CeCe Magnoa, the guard from the U. They're saying that he is just playing absolutely lights out right now. So kudos to them for picking them in the first round. There we go, baby. Those Giants, baby. Oh, man. I'm going to start playing my assessment. He should have gone to the Dolphins. The Dolphins should have got him.

1:58:05He came at a good price, man. He was, what, ninth overall? Yes, sir.

1:58:09Leigh Steinberg: I'm going to start sending the video where I did the assessment for the Giants every week now so Mr. Wilson can listen to it on our chat. Nothing against you guys. You know, shy, cheek, and voice. I'm sorry. It's just for Mr. Wilson. And those receipts. Those receipts, man. Man, the Carolina Panthers are coming from the bye week. They're going to Philadelphia. They're 2-3. A lot of things are going wrong in Philly. That offensive line is not able to push and run the football. Barkley's still banked up. Receivers are banked up. I don't know. I don't know what's going to happen with Philadelphia.

1:58:51Leigh Steinberg: They're in a bad situation right now. And this is another team that is probably in the same waters as the Detroit Lions not making the playoffs. So I'm picking Carolina to beat Philadelphia in Philadelphia. Who you got, boys? I'm with you right there, baby. I got the Panthers winning in Philly. There we go. What about you, Mr. Wilson? You got Carolina or you got the Philadelphia Chiggles. That's the other game I'm going to give to Shai Shika. I almost called her Amazing Amanda. My bad. Shy Chica, I'll give you Bears and Philadelphia Chiggles for your picks of the week. Who you got, Mr. Wilson?

1:59:31Carolina Panthers? Well, she still has a chance to send them in. The games haven't started quite yet. Oh, no, no, penalty. You don't do it on Wednesday. You're getting no picks in. I'm just kidding. She can send them. She can send them. I love what Canales is doing with the Panthers out there. The Eagles are in disarray right now. I can't say that enough, not just because they're in the division with the Cowboys, but they look just as bad as we do currently. Tedderoy McMillan should be back in this game, and he has a hard name, and I only learn a person's name unless you make me state it, unless you earn it.

2:00:09Tedderoy McMillan coming back. I like the Panthers in disruptive Philadelphia. I like those picks. We are a trifecta. Yeah. What about now the Steelers coming into Tampa Bay to play the winning streak Tampa Bay Buccaneers at one game?

2:00:28Leigh Steinberg: They happen to be the... Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Oh, boy. Chino, stay over there. I'm talking about Tampa Bay and the game they won last week. It's all right. You already said what you had to say. Stay over there. They're playing the Steelers at home. I love the way Aaron Rodgers played last week, and I think it will continue this week. And I got the Steelers over the Tampa Bay Jackeneas. Who you got, Mr. Wilson? I'm not going to say much about it. Just because they beat the Cowboys, I got the Steelers. But it's no hard feelings. There you go, boys. Who you got? I'm looking at the window.

2:01:10So, Steve is going to come through the office into the studio. But, no, he's not. Go ahead, boys. Who you got? You got the Steelers or you got the Tampa Bay Yacquineers? Well, like Mr. Wilson says, trifecta. I got the Steelers, baby. There we go. Now, we got the best thing that can happen to the L.A.

2:01:29Leigh Steinberg: Rams is welcoming the Arizona Cardinals. It's a divisional game. Very important. I think the Rams get back on track. And I just hope that Puka Dracula Nakua doesn't get another 17 receptions. That looked like a freaking PlayStation game. Jesus, Lord. Who the hell was covering down there? Anyway, I got the Rams over the Arizona Codinals. Who you got, boys? That's an easy pick, but I got the Rams all the way. I believe Mr. Wilson is going to give us another trifecta, but I'm going to respect you and say who you got. Arizona is playing well, but L.A. should win this game at home. They're the better team.

2:02:14Leigh Steinberg: There we go. Now, Chargers are 0-5. Oh, boy, 0-6. And they got to go into Kansas City to play the Chiefs. Oh, damn.

2:02:29Man.

2:02:33Like you said, I'm not going to say much about it. They're 0-6. Go ahead. I got the Chiefs. Who you got, my boys? Man, hey, listen, man. Another easy pick here. I got the Chiefs. And is this the Sunday where they're going to let McDaniels go? That's the bigger question to me. Hey, listen, this is a divisional matchup. So don't put it past that there can be an upset in this game. We can't overlook that. But if things have gone the way that we've seen things go, yeah. The Chiefs in Arrowhead. In Arrowhead? Yeah.

2:03:10Leigh Steinberg: Wow. Yeah, so another trifecta. And then we got Buffalo versus the Raiders in Vegas.

2:03:24Leigh Steinberg: It's Josh Allen's show. I mean, what can I say? I think this is another game they'll get away with making a few turnovers, still winning the football game. In an ugly matter, but they will win the football game. So I got the Bills. Mr. Wilson, I know this is probably your second favorite team after the Dallas Cowboys. Who are you guys? I don't have a second favorite. Oh, okay. I don't have a second favorite. The Raiders are playing well. The Bills defense is not playing all that great. This is a home game for the Raiders. Doesn't matter to me. I got the Bills. You got the Bills. Voice, I know you love the Bills as much as you love the Patriots and the Jets.

2:04:08Who do you got? Mr. Wilson, I'm with you, man. The Bills defense is not playing up to par. However, they have way too much offense. And I know they're playing at Vegas, but Bills win this game. Big Sunday night game between the Dallas Cowboys and the Green Bay Packers. They got to go into Lambeau Field. It might be the return of Mika Parsons to play against his old team, the Dallas Cowboys. Dallas Cowboys neighborhood with Mr. Wilson. What we got?

2:04:43Leigh Steinberg: What's going on? You got a headache? I promise. I will not let Chino come through here. your lifetime concussion product can make any comments. Go ahead. No, I'm doing well. Christian Watson has been lighting it up, and that's probably one of my biggest worries because the secondary can't get it together. I can't just pick on them either. We can't stop anybody on the ground either. This is literally the Alice Cowboys. I already said that earlier in the show. I'll go ahead and regurgitate that and repeat it once again. There's no D in Dallas at this point. But nonetheless, I'm going to say that that offense gets back to what we all expect it to be.

2:05:32Packers haven't looked that great either. So I'm going to pick the better offense out of the two in my estimation. And I'm going to say that the Cowboys win a tough one up there in Wisconsin. I know it sounds like a homer pick.

2:05:45Leigh Steinberg: Now, let me ask you, since you're picking the Dallas Cowboys, and I'm okay with that. But is CeeDee Lamb playing or not? Because he got hurt. Yeah, I believe that CeeDee's on track to play. He's on track to play? Okay. Yeah. If he plays, I'm taking the Cowboys also. But if he doesn't play, you give me Green Bay Packers all day long. He returned to practice today. He did? Well, I'll say it again. And if City Lamb is playing, Cowboys should win this football game. If it's not, Green Bay wins the football game in Lambeau Field. But I'm taking the Dallas Cowboys with a City Lamb playing in that game.

2:06:31Leigh Steinberg: What about you, boys? Who you got? Yeah, but I think the Cowboys are going to go into the not-so-frozen tundra, and they're going to shock the world this week. I got the Cowboys. Oh, we got another trifecta, folks. Trifecta? You betcha. Yes, sir. And the Monday night game is in San Francisco. Everybody flying to Santa Clara to see the Washington Redskins, better known as the commanders in today's football world, to play the 5-0 49ers. Go ahead. Say it, Mr. Wilson. Who you got? Or just say trifecta. It's safe to say it. Yeah, pretty much. You already know trifecta. We got the 49ers all the way.

2:07:17You know, really quick, let's touch baseball. We're right at the championship games between the American League and the National League. Tonight, the Dodgers, some way, somehow, they got to come out of that 2-0 hole against Mr. Wilson's Milwaukee Brewers.

2:07:36Leigh Steinberg: Like Lee Steinberg said, Othani has to become Othani again if this team is going to make a comeback. if they don't win that baseball game tonight, they're done. They'll probably get swept, in my opinion. Boys, what do you think? You see a swept or you see the Dodgers coming back and push this series? I'm with you, man. If they lose tonight, they're done. However, I'm going to say this. I'm going to revert to last year. You know, they're a different breed when it comes to the playoffs. I know they're down to win two. But until they get eliminated, I still got the Dodgers. You know, I was talking to Gonzo, my cousin, and you know what he said?

2:08:17Leigh Steinberg: They can't even go 3-0 and maybe do what the Boston Red Sox did to the Yankees. I said, no, man, I don't think so. He said, look at that pitching staff. Look at that pitching staff. You'll have Scubo, Yamamoto, and then Snail. I think that team can go 0-3 and come back in tight seasons and probably win it. It's going to be hard. I don't see that happening again, but hey, Dodgers got to win tonight some way, somehow, and I hope for our special get-lease timer that was here, and he's a big-time Dodgers fan. Yeah, I'm hoping that they win the baseball game for his sake. Mr. Wilson, I know you got the Brewers, and they're playing excellent baseball right now.

2:09:00Leigh Steinberg: Pat Murphy, the coach, is doing an excellent job on the XSNLs versus Roberts, and getting every advantage that he can in any matchup when it comes to pitching or pinch hitting, whatever it might be, Pat Murphy's doing the job in Milwaukee. Do you see your Milwaukee Brewers sweeping the L.A. Dodgers? I don't necessarily think it's a sweep, but ultimately when it comes down to it right now, it's a five-game series for the Los Angeles Dodgers. They need to win four out of the next five games. I think that's a tall task for any team. I definitely don't believe that if they go down 3-0, having to play two final games in Milwaukee, that they come back from that.

2:09:48Not with the way that the Brewers have been playing this season. They need to, in my opinion, they need to take both of these games at home to at least make it a series. They've got to bring it back to a best of three series to have a shot at this. They lose tonight. It's over. I think that they can still win game four, but I don't see them coming back and winning this series. But either way, whether they win or lose, I still got the Brewers to take this series. I don't know if it's a big seven or something.

2:10:20Leigh Steinberg: If they happen to win the two games in L.A. and going back to Milwaukee. That's a different story now. Because then Scuba would be the guy again coming around and pitch against them again. And he lost a two-to-one game. That's tough. That's a tough series if that happens. I think Milwaukee, they need to have the mindset that, hey, we need to split. We need to go ahead and go up 3-1, go back home to Milwaukee and close this thing and go to the World Series. In my opinion, that has to be the recipe for them. When it comes to the American League, first game, big surprise. Boys, Cleveland Guardians came in and really had some hot bats on the lineup with Ramirez and the rest of those guys.

2:11:03Leigh Steinberg: And they won, I believe, 73 game one. But last night, the pitching of Peralta was amazing and gave a good six innings to the Tampa Bay Rays. And they evened the series on one game apiece. Now it goes to Cleveland. boys I'm going to say the following observation and I think it always happens especially in baseball you see a team they sweep and the other one plays five games that first game they don't play the way they were playing when they swept that previous team but I think winning the second game the way they did I think now they're on a roll and don't be surprised if this is a 4-1 series for the Tampa Bay race and I'm going to say why during the regular season, six games that they play against each other, Tampa Bay won five.

2:11:53Leigh Steinberg: So I think Tampa Bay is going to roll and they're going to be in the World Series. Mr. Wilson, you agree with my assessment or you think that Cleveland still got a chance? That was the team I picked last year to go to the World Series. And this year they do it. So, but I don't think they are. A day late and a dollar short with your pick, huh? Last year I was very short. Yeah, I was very short last year. I'm just kidding. No, the Rays were my pick in the AL to go up against the Milwaukee Brewers. I think that they did have a – they fell on their face game one. But they bounced back game two, and I think that they get back on track and they close out this series.

2:12:37Leigh Steinberg: I think they close it out 4-1, to be honest with you. That pitching staff is good. The relieving is amazing. Whoever wins from the National League is going to be a tough mashup for anybody. for anybody coming out of the American League. 1-0 right now. Who's winning? 1-0 Brewers. Oh, shoot. Bye-bye, Dodgers. Hey, if the Dodgers lose, should we call Teddy back and let him know about it? Teddy! We love you, brother. You know what he's going to tell you? What? We already won two in a row. Oh, there we go. I'll say that's right. There we go. We won the last two. But, you know, it has to be bitter because the fact that you can be the first team in the National League history, this amazing game that has over 100-something years, and be the first National League team to three-peat, oof.

2:13:30It's not over yet. I mean, they're mid-third, so they still got some...

2:13:35Leigh Steinberg: Every game has started the same way. Every single... The first two games started the same way. Milwaukee got on the scoreboard immediately, and then they added a little bit more. Dodgers tried to come back, but not enough. Not on time. Typically, the Brewers don't give up leads. You give them an early cushion. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They can put you to sleep. Like the boys said, if they win tonight, it's a sweep for me. I can see them winning 4-0 and going to the World Series. So we'll see. WNBA the Golden State Valkyries are in the finals they took the Las Vegas Aces and the Atlanta Dream with Angel Rees are in the finals against them so we're going to keep a close look to that one in there but there was a controversial situation because Craig Carton said something about AJ Wilson and her cousin And Mr.

2:14:37Leigh Steinberg: Wilson came to the defense and he says, I'm going to destroy you at the show for me talking about A.J. Wilson and everything else. So go ahead, Mr. Wilson. Destroy me. Come on, tell me what you got to say about the correct cartoon comments about that she struggled during her young life, I guess. But she was actually in a private school that costs about$25 ,000 a year. Poor thing. She was suffering. But anyway, go ahead. Take the mic and tell me how you're going to destroy me on this one. Okay, so because you have money, you can't struggle? Huh? Because you have money, you can't struggle? As an adult, yeah.

2:15:18As a young person in high school that you don't even know how to wipe your ass, no, you don't suffer at all. You're getting everything put like a golden child. There you go, kid. Go do your thing. Okay. So, Sports Pops, are you a woman? No. Are you black?

2:15:41Leigh Steinberg: Dependent. If you were filling out an application for a job, would you say that you're black? No, I can't. I have to say that I'm from Puerto Rico. Are you six foot four? Oh, no. But I'm taller than Kevin Hart. I said it before. I'm taller than Kevin. My last question, are you a 6 '4 black woman living in America? What? That has to do with anything. She's a great player. She's the best player. She's the best player in the NBA. Listen, that has everything to do because you are not listening to that young lady. Do you know just because she went to a school where it's$25 ,000, do you know she had people who looked like her?

2:16:29Do you know whether or not she had people who included her or excluded her? Do you know she felt isolated? Do you know whether or not she was going through mental health issues, living and going to a school where nobody looked like her? Maybe people were talking about the texture of her hair, her skin color. You guys are sitting over here in that racist prick Carlton, whatever the fuck his name is. You guys are sitting over here acting like he doesn't, like she doesn't have the right to have a human experience. She has the right to a human experience because you don't know what the fuck she went through.

2:17:04So she wasn't talking about economically struggling. That's where you guys don't fucking get it. She wasn't talking about economically struggling. She may have been going through a human experience and you guys failed to see her as a human being and you dehumanize her. And you don't have the right to do that. If you are not a 6 '4 black woman living in America, you need to shut your fucking mouth. Why is that? I mean, she's the best player. You need to shut your fucking mouth because you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. She's the best player. And what that young lady went through.

2:17:38She's the best player in the WNBA. So what? She's a human being. Before being a player and before being all of that, she is a human being. And just because her parents can pay$25 ,000 for her to go to a school where nobody probably looks like her and she's probably being talked about and ridiculed, you don't have the right to sit there and say she did not struggle. Usually players that play that well, they don't. Shut your fucking mouth on that situation.

2:18:05Leigh Steinberg: No, no, no, no, no, no. I'm not going to shut my mouth on that situation. What I'm going to say is the following. You have no right to fucking talk. When it comes to economical situation. And I'm not going to listen to you or some racist prick. Oh, no, no. Talking about that young lady. She never said that she did not struggle financially or that she struggled financially. She said that she was trying to survive. She's a human being. When you're an adolescent and when you're not sure which way is up, you're right. You don't know how to wipe your ass. You don't know what's going on in the world and you're trying to figure it out.

2:18:36You don't have the right to say that she wasn't struggling. Let me ask you, what happened with players when they play well, even in high school, they get the recognition and they play well and everybody loves them. I know in high school when you see a player that plays well, they play well and everybody loves them. And there's not such a struggle as they're trying to portray here. I didn't even took the take as a dad. I just took it as the fact that she went to a private school that, you know, you got to pay$25 ,000 a year and not even myself. And I imagine you boys could not even go to a school at$25 ,000 a year.

2:19:22And that was the only take that we had. So for Mr. Wilson to take it that way and make it a racial bait, I am so sorry. I apologize if that offended you that way. But that was never the take. It was more about saying that you were struggling when you were in a nice school. And usually great players get the admiration from everybody. Nobody comes to start saying, you know, that 6 '4 black lady in this school, she's scoring 35 points per game but the f with her no that doesn't happen you know even a latino player going into a college and if he's hitting homers the last thing they care is about whether he speaks english or not is somebody's passing the grades for them they don't give a shit about that has nothing to do with racism it just has to do with the fact that you gotta say did you Yes, fine.

2:20:18We can take that. If you didn't, then don't try to bring that up. Do we need to make a better job myself? Let's put it that way. And research exactly what she's talking about. And maybe she did. And maybe I didn't do the resources or the investigation the way I should. And I took Craig Carton's take on that. but it doesn't matter whether they afford it they couldn't afford it that was just the take on that had nothing to do with racism at all and I'll say it again look when you come to a school even in high school if you play well and let's say you're the all-star of that team nobody talks about you nobody you can tell me voice if I'm wrong But when you're the all-star player of any team in any school or even the pros, you think people are going to be talking bad about you?

2:21:18Usually it doesn't happen. Exactly. I mean, usually it doesn't happen. And I don't know. Look, I didn't read about what she went through or anything like that. I'm not really too well-informed of what happened. But, I mean, if she feels that way, then I guess she really went through it. you know what I mean like I'm not gonna sit here and debate you know and say well you know maybe because you were the best player you know you got you know preference on this and that whatever I mean at this point I guess I gotta believe it I wasn't there so I can't really say yes or no but again if she said that she struggled when it came to like you know people that liking her and stuff like that I you know what I mean like yeah like I said it's from my end I should

2:22:07Leigh Steinberg: investigate a little bit more and see exactly what she was referring to versus taking just the investigator that Craig Carton did. And the thing is that Craig Carton is not just a talk show or talk radio guy in New York. This guy is a journalist, you know, but he uses humor. He uses, you know, things that I like to do, you know, but definitely I'm in Mr. Wilson's side that we need to find out. But to try to make it like we're trying to say that I need to shut the fuck up or whatever. No, I'm just basing my opinion on something that I thought it was just about making a narrative because she won the MVP again.

2:22:55And I said it, she's the best player at the WNBA. So, nobody was taking anything away from her. So, anyway, guys, it's been a heck of a show. Hey, Chino, get us out of here. Mr.

2:23:09Leigh Steinberg: Wilson is gone for the night. So, there's nothing you can say to him tonight. Mr. Wilson, you're mine. No, he's gone. It doesn't matter. He's going to listen to it. Okay, got it. Anyway, Chino, get us out of here. Voice, thank you so much for being here with us. To our special guest, Mr. Lee Steinberg, thank you for being here with us tonight. And keep your engines running. The Sports Ride Show is here.

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