The Spy Who Almost Stopped 9/11 | The Looming Enemy | 1

18 Aug 2026 · 42 min · 12 chapters

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In short

Ali Sufan, an FBI counterterrorism agent, tracks al-Qaeda’s leadership and operatives in the years leading up to 9/11, starting with bin Laden’s 1998 fatwa/interview, then linking the 1998 embassy bombings, the 2000 USS Cole attack, and the search for the cameraman who filmed the Cole blast. The episode also highlights interagency friction (CIA vs FBI) and obstacles from foreign partners (especially Yemen), suggesting possible sabotage.

Guests (named in the episode)

None. The episode is narrated/dramatized around Ali Sufan and other officials; no external interview guests appear.

Key claims

CIA initially refused to meet the al-Qaeda defector; FBI and CIA later agree to share everything. Bin Laden’s threats imply an imminent attack on Americans. Yemenis withhold evidence; a suspected al-Qaeda “video guy” (Fahad Al-Qasar) filmed the USS Cole attack. A Yemeni intelligence chief (Hussein Ansi) may sabotage the investigation.

Notable examples

Manchester raid on Anas al-Libbi; al-Qaeda training manual (cell model, 48-hour holdout); USS Cole harbor red-carpet boat and surveillance from hills; fingerprints/TNT residues from a bombers’ apartment; Ansi trying to have Al-Qasar released.

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Chapters

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The Early Warning Signs of Terrorism

0:17 to 3:50

Explore the early interactions between FBI agent Ali Sufan and a former Al-Qaeda member who provides critical intel.

“Early 2000, about a year and a half before the 9-11 terrorist attacks.”

The Growing Threat of Bin Laden

5:48 to 12:25

Delve into Ali Sufan's experiences as he uncovers the threat posed by Osama bin Laden and the obstacles faced within the U.S. government.

“At his desk, rookie FBI agent Ali Soufan hunches over surveillance photos from the mob case he's working on.”

The Aftermath of the Embassy Bombings

12:25 to 14:00

Witness the immediate response to the bombings of U.S. embassies and Sufan's insights into the attackers.

“He gets why O 'Neill can be a divisive figure within the FBI, but if they're to stop Al-Qaeda, that's the boss he wants.”

Initial Response to Terror Threat

14:00 to 16:00

Learn how Sufan and his team respond to the threat of an imminent terrorist attack.

“Sufan knows the list of true suspects is long, but his gut tells him this is the attack Bin Laden threatened.”

The Manchester Raid

16:00 to 18:00

Discover the details of a raid on a suspect linked to Al-Qaeda and the challenges faced.

“Soufan and O 'Neill are briefing British police ahead of a dawn raid on a terror suspect's flat.”

Analyzing Al-Qaeda's Operations

18:00 to 19:50

Understand how Al-Qaeda organizes and communicates through captured materials.

“And we've got no evidence to charge him with yet.”

The Attack on USS Cole

19:50 to 21:40

Explore the events leading to the bombing of the USS Cole and its immediate aftermath.

“In the city's harbor, the American naval destroyer, the USS Cole, is refueling.”

Arriving in Yemen for Investigation

21:40 to 24:20

Follow Sufan's arrival in Yemen and the tense situation with local forces.

“Following the bombing, there was a grenade attack on the British embassy in Yemen's capital, Sana 'a.”

Confronting Yemeni Officials

24:20 to 28:00

Learn about Sufan's interactions with Yemeni officials and the challenges of retrieving evidence.

“The Yemeni officer notices Sufan's amusement.”

Investigation of the USS Cole Bombing

28:00 to 31:15

Learn about the initial investigation efforts following the USS Cole bombing and the challenges faced.

“One of the SWAT team looks around nervously.”
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Pursuing Leads in Medinet al-Sharaab

31:15 to 35:35

Discover the efforts to track down the individuals involved in the bombing and the political tensions impacting the investigation.

“Sufan and his new NCIS co-investigator, Bob McFadden, are interviewing people at the docks.”

Interrogating Al-Qasar

35:35 to 41:33

Explore the tense interrogation of Al-Qasar, a key suspect in the bombing, and the dynamics between investigators.

“They found an apartment rented by the bombers.”
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0:17Early 2000, about a year and a half before the 9-11 terrorist attacks. Islamabad, Pakistan. In a safe house, FBI counterterrorism agent Ali Sufan sits on the floor and offers the man opposite him a basket of bread. He must be hungry. Please eat. The man smiles and takes a roti. He used to be in the terrorist group Al-Qaeda, but has since fallen out with them. He initially offered information to the CIA, but they refused to meet him. So now he's been passed to Sufan, the FBI's expert on al-Qaeda, and its leader, Osama bin Laden. I'm sorry the CIA wouldn't meet with you. They only wanted to know if I had met Sheikh bin Laden.

1:07I never did. But I know Khaled. If you know Khaled, you know a lot about bin Laden. Sufan is careful not to show it, but he feels an electric thrill. He's heard the name Khaled before. Zofan is hunting the terrorists who bombed the US embassies in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam two years ago. One of the attackers who was captured told the FBI that Khaled filmed his martyrdom video. Who is Khaled? He's known as Bin Laden's errand boy. Bin Laden is a close friend of his father's. Also, he lost a leg fighting in Afghanistan. Sufan offers some more bread, but makes a mental note to learn everything he can about Khaled and track him down.

2:00A week later, CIA headquarters, Langley, Virginia. In a secure briefing room, Sufan raises an eyebrow at the two senior CIA officers sitting opposite. I thought you weren't interested in him as an asset. Now you want to share him? The CIA officers look embarrassed. We may have misjudged. You got some great intel from him about this guy Khaled. Well, if the agency can help track down Khaled, then I'm all for it. After all, we're working towards the same goal. But Zephan's supervisor at the FBI is less keen. Look, I need to make something clear here. This man is now an FBI source. We'll only agree to share him if everything is shared between our two agencies.

2:50You CIA boys have a habit of messing up our evidence and only sharing what you think is necessary. I've had enough of it. This is too important. We agree. It is important. So yeah, we can work on that basis. So you'll share everything you get from him? Everything. Alright then. We have a deal. Sufan leaves Langley feeling upbeat It often feels like an uphill battle to get anyone outside his team To realise the threat Bin Laden poses Sufan's studied the Saudi multimillionaire for years And knows he's planning something big He doesn't know what, when or where But he's sure it'll be an attack on Americans And maybe with the CIA's help He can uncover that plot and stop it before it happens.

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4:49I'm Raza Jafri, and this is The Spy Who, an audible original. Beneath the veneer of the everyday looks the realm of the spy. It's a dank, murky world, full of dark corners, sinister motives, and corrupted morals. A place of paranoia and infiltration, sabotage and manipulation. This series, we open the file on Ali Sufan, the FBI counter-terrorism agent who saw the rising threat from al-Qaeda long before 9-11. But he's about to discover that his biggest challenge in uncovering Osama bin Laden's master plan might not be Al-Qaeda, but elements inside the US government. What you're about to hear are dramatized reconstructions of events based on the information that's been made public.

5:41But remember, in the shadow realm of the spy, the full story is rarely clear. This is Episode 1, The Looming Enemy.

5:57May 1998, three years before 9-11. The FBI field office, New York City. At his desk, rookie FBI agent Ali Soufan hunches over surveillance photos from the mob case he's working on. He's fresh-faced with thick, dark hair and is keen to prove himself. Agent Soufan speaking.

6:22Ali Soufan:Ali, get up here right now. Your man's doing an interview on ABC. The caller is a colleague in I-49, a specialist counter-terrorism squad within the FBI. Suvan grabs his jacket and runs to the lift. He's currently on rotation, getting experience on various teams. But he's already well known in the counter-terrorism division for his pet project, Al-Qaeda, and its mysterious leader, Osama bin Laden. Sofan joins the knot of people huddled around the TV. Mr. Bin Laden, you have issued a fatwa. In it, you call on Muslims to kill Americans where they can, when they can. Is that directed at all Americans?

7:04Just the American military? Just the Americans in Saudi Arabia? On it, Bin Laden is sitting in front of a large map of Africa with an AK-47 rifle beside him. perhaps retaliation in kind. We do not have to differentiate between military or civilian. They are all targets. Do you have a message for the American people? If they cherish their lives and their sons, they must elect a government that caters to their interests, not the interests of the Jews. If the present injustice continues, the battle will move to American soil. Bin Laden's words make Sufan's blood run cold. The counter-terrorism officer who called him.

7:47Lifts an eyebrow. Ali, what do you think? First he declared jihad, then the fanwa. This is the third warning. We should expect an attack soon. Shit. Nobody's taking this guy seriously in headquarters. Can you write this up in a memo? We need to circulate it as widely as possible.

8:11A few months later, Kennedy's Irish Pub and Restaurant, Midtown Manhattan. Sufan is in an Irish bar with John O 'Neill, the head of the counter-terrorism division of the FBI in New York. 20 minutes ago, Sufan was working late in the office when O 'Neill appeared beside his desk and invited him to dinner. Their server finishes jotting down their food order. All right, can I get you two anything to drink? I'll just have water, thank you. O 'Neill frowns. Are you Muslim? Yes, sir. In that case, I'll have water instead. Sophan is touched by O 'Neill's respect and fascinated by him. O 'Neill has the thick neck, slicked-back hair, and abrasive attitude of a New Jersey bruiser.

9:02Beneath his suit trousers is the outline of a Glock pistol. strapped to his ankle, but his office is filled with cut flowers and Impressionist paintings. I was impressed with the memo you wrote about bin Laden's interview. Great analysis. Thank you, sir. Tell me about yourself. You're not the typical FBI recruit. I know I wasn't sure I'd get in. And why's that? I'm an Arab American born in Lebanon. I'm a Muslim and I like books. I probably shouldn't say this, but I only applied because of a bet with my fraternity brothers.

9:37Ali Soufan:A bet? Yet you're the kind of agent we should be recruiting. Do you know how many Arabic speakers we have in the FBI? No idea. Eight. And do you know how many of those are in the New York office? The only office focused on Islamic terrorism? Sufan shakes his head. You're it. The only goddamn one. We need people who understand the language, the culture, the mindset. I mean, this guy, Bin Laden. I know he hates us, but I don't know why. What's driving him? Sufan waits for the server to put down their food, then continues. Well, it kind of goes back to 1979. What do you mean? That year was like a turning point for Islamists.

10:28There was the revolution in Iran. Egypt's treaty recognising Israel. And then the Soviets invaded Afghanistan. So the Islamic revolution in Iran gave them hope. A whole country cast off what they saw as Western imperialism and adopted Sharia law. Meanwhile, Egypt, a modern Islamic nation, was humiliated at the hands of Israel. Then an atheist superpower attacked Afghanistan and Muslims from across the world came together to help fight the infidels in a jihad of the sword Bin Laden was one of them. But why hate America? We haven't got anything to do with it. We damn well helped them beat the Soviets in Afghanistan.

11:10We installed the regime the Islamists overthrew in Iran, so there's that. But at the heart, it's because America is the world's most powerful country. It represents Western democracy and modernity. These people want to revive a medieval form of Islam. They need to show that the West is corrupt and failing. They want people to reject the modern world, to see the West as corrupt, godless, it's not a monolithic religion. There are many different schools and branches, just like Christianity. It's not just Sunni versus Shia. There are Takfiris and Wahhabis.

11:47Probably the last ones left in here. O 'Neill's been encouraging Sufarn to keep talking, but now it's 1am, and they're the only customers left. O 'Neill signals to the barman. Sorry, Martin, for holding you up. Bring the cheque.

12:06They walk out onto the warm streets, and O 'Neill throws an arm around Soufan's shoulders. Ali, next time you write an analysis, make sure you send it direct to me, okay? Yes, sir. And sorry for talking so much tonight. I hadn't realised the time. Never apologise for working. And fuck how late it is. The bad guys work non-stop. So do we. Soufan grins. He gets why O 'Neill can be a divisive figure within the FBI, but if they're to stop Al-Qaeda, that's the boss he wants.

12:42One month later, August 7th, 1998. Soufan's apartment in New York. Soufan wakes up, blearily reaching for his pager. A message flashes to call his supervisor immediately. He checks his alarm clock. It's 5.30am. Something must have happened. He leaps out of bed and grabs his phone. Yeah? It's Ali I was told to call. Two truck bombs have exploded outside our embassies in Nairobi in Dar es Salaam. Shit, who was it? I'm hoping you're going to tell me that. Get your butt into the office now.

13:24An hour later. Entering the office, Soufan is greeted with devastation being shown across multiple TV screens. Shattered buildings, bodies, bloodied people on stretches, others screaming in despair. The images take him back to his childhood during the Lebanese Civil War. The constant fear, the horrific wounds, the stench of death from beneath the rubble. He gets to work, printing out reports about the explosions. An unknown organization called the Islamic Army for the Liberation of the Holy Places is claiming responsibility. Sufan knows the list of true suspects is long, but his gut tells him this is the attack Bin Laden threatened.

14:15An hour later, Sufan and his supervisor walk into the Joint Terrorism Task Force Command Center in Manhattan. The rooms are bars with intelligence officers and police. In the middle is John O 'Neill, who waves them over. A cluster of senior FBI officers quickly surround them. Well, Ali, what are your thoughts? I think it's Al-Qaeda. Look at the language used in the statement of responsibility. Some of the lines are exactly the same as Bin Laden's previous statements. Sufan hands over two documents with highlighted passages. O 'Neill scans them and then looks to a senior FBI agent in the huddle.

14:57Kevin, you've been tracking Al-Qaeda in Nairobi. What do you think? It fits. There was a lot of activity in the lead-up to the attacks. Right. You two, do me a memo with all the evidence, quick as you can. O 'Neill turns to his senior team. And I need two teams ready to fly to Africa the moment we get approval. There's a flurry of movement as people act on his orders. Soufan hovers near O 'Neill. Sir, I'd like to volunteer to go. O 'Neill puts an arm around Soufan's shoulders. That was great analysis, Ali. And that's why I need you here. I've got agents who can collect evidence and do interviews.

15:38You're the only one who can help me piece it together. Is that OK? Suvane is disappointed, but flushed with pride that O 'Neill rates him so highly. Yes, of course.

15:59One year later, October 1999, Manchester, England. Soufan and O 'Neill are briefing British police ahead of a dawn raid on a terror suspect's flat. O 'Neill shows the room a photo of a Libyan with a neat beard and short, cropped hair. The suspect is Anas al-Libbi. He's a senior al-Qaeda operative. We believe he did surveillance on the US embassy in Nairobi ahead of the bombing.

16:29Ali Soufan:One of the policemen raises his hand. What exactly are we looking for in his flat? O 'Neill looks to Sufan, who steps forward. Notes, documents, computer disks, photos, anything that might link him to al-Qaeda or the embassy bombings. A few hours later, dawn. A residential street in Manchester. Police! Police! Show me your hands! Counter-terrorism officers burst through the front door of Al-Libby's flat. Before he can run, a policeman tackles him to the ground and handcuffs him. Anas Al-Libby, I'm arresting you on suspicion of terrorism. As Al-Libby is led outside, the other police officers search the flat.

17:15But there are no disks. photos or notes, and his computer's hard drive has been wiped clean. A policeman picks up a booklet of photocopied pages in Arabic. He bags it as evidence, hoping it's significant.

17:34A few days later, a police station in Manchester. Soufan and O 'Neill look at the large pile of items removed from Al-Libby's flat. Suvan is depressed, but O 'Neill is fuming.

17:51Ali Soufan:Fucking British. I told them, if you release him before we've had time to sort through all this crap, he's going to skip town. And I was fucking right. John, they held him as long as they could without charge. And we've got no evidence to charge him with yet. Yeah. And they were supposed to keep him under surveillance while we found that evidence. Tell me, what kind of surveillance team loses a man that quick. Who was running the op? Ray fucking Charles? He's, uh, he's had good training. Zufan picks up the photocopied booklet with pages in Arabic and leafs through them. Oh, well this is interesting.

18:27What is it? Some kind of Al-Qaeda training manual. Will it help us catch anyone? Not directly, but it tells us how they operate. O 'Neill sits on the corner of a desk. Give me an example. So it talks about them using a cell model. Members of one cell have no knowledge about any others. So if one gets arrested, they can only compromise their own, not the whole organization. Exactly. And if they're captured, they need to hold out for 48 hours. So Al-Qaeda can cover its tracks.

19:10They expect torture So are allowed to share Non-valuable intelligence to fall interrogators Into thinking they're cooperating So we never know If we're getting the truth or not You're right, this is like a CIA manual We can definitely use this for interrogations Good But those expensive plane tickets Weren't a complete fucking waste of time

19:43A year later, October 12, 2000, 11 months before 9-11. Aden, Yemen. In the city's harbor, the American naval destroyer, the USS Cole, is refueling. A young sailor on the upper deck leans over the gunwale to watch the small boats swarming around the huge ship. One is taking away the ship's rubbish. Another hands over crates of soft drinks. In a third, men are scraping barnacles off the hull. Another small boat putters towards the ship, with a red carpet covering its cargo. The two Arabs in it see the sailor watching and wave. He grins and waves back. The boat slows and turns side on, cutting its engine at the same time.

20:36It drifts in, bumping gently against the steel hull.

20:44The blast slams the sailor into the metal stairs. Pain shoots through his spine, his ears ring. Black smoke rises into the air, and he feels the ship listing sideways. Confused and disoriented, he grabs the gunnel and looks down. There's a huge hole in the side of the hull, exactly where the two waving Arabs were just seconds before.

21:12The next day, Aden Airport. Ali Sufan peers out of the small windows at the front of the military cargo plane for his first sight of Yemen. There seems to be a lot of desert and mountain ranges, but few buildings or people. He left New York last night. As soon as news broke about the bombing of the USS Cole, O 'Neill sent him out with an FBI team to investigate. Suvane's anxious about what's ahead. Following the bombing, there was a grenade attack on the British embassy in Yemen's capital, Sana 'a. He's grateful an elite FBI SWAT team has been sent with them. As the plane lands, Sufan does a double take.

21:57Military jeeps are speeding towards them filled with men in camo, holding AK-47s. The SWAT team has also noticed. Whoa, what the fuck? Are those Yemeni special forces? Sure looks like it. Why are they pointing their guns at us? The plane taxis to a stop and is quickly surrounded by a ring of Yemeni guns. Nobody moves inside the plane. The minutes tick by as they wait for what happens next. Fifteen minutes later, the plane door lowers and the US defense attaché in Yemen, who was sent to meet them, appears. Hi folks, my name is Colonel Newman. I'm trying to find out what's going on here, but the Yemenis have suggested you hand over all your weapons before you get off the plane.

22:44A SWAT team commander stands up. Sir, American sailors have been blown up and the British embassy attacked. There's no way we're handing over our weapons. The defense attaché looks even more harassed. Soufan edges his way towards him. Colonel, I speak Arabic. Perhaps I could find out what's going on. The defense attaché shrugs and lets Sufahan out of the plane. As he exits the plane, he's assaulted by the desert heat and glare. Amid the Yemeni troops, he spots an officer with a walkie-talkie and several stripes on his shoulder. He heads towards him with a friendly smile and offers the traditional Arabic greeting.

23:28Peace be upon you, and upon you be peace. It's very hot today. Are you thirsty? The officer's surprise is clear. Yeah. We have water on the plane for you and your officers, if you like. Is it American water? Yes, bottled water from America. Sufan wonders if his plan has backfired. Many Yemenis hate America. It's why the country has become a sanctuary for Al-Qaeda. But instead, the officer smiles. Yes, thank you. Sufan waves at one of his FBI colleagues on the plane. George, bring everyone some bottled water. Soon, Sufan is distributing water bottles to the soldiers who grab them, smiling their thanks.

24:21A few shove them into their pockets. The Yemeni officer notices Sufan's amusement. They are taking them home to show their families. American bottled water is a luxury. it. Sensing the tensions diffused, Sufan tackles the main problem. What's going on? Why have you surrounded our plane? For your protection. Thank you, but if someone's going to attack us, shouldn't your weapons be facing outwards, not towards us? No. This is the best way. Well, what if you lowered your weapons? I'm worried an accident will happen. I don't think any of us want that, do we? The Yemeni officer looks at Sufan for a moment.

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25:05Sufan hopes he's considering the political implications of a firefight. Man, lower your weapons. Sufan feels relief. But it's not an encouraging start.

25:23A few days later, Sufan sits in the passenger seat of a truck that is returning to his and the rest of the FBI team's hotel. They've spent the day interviewing sailors from the USS Cole, and he's exhausted. But there's one last task to do. Since arriving, he and his team has found many Yemeni officials aggressive and unhelpful. They seem to think the FBI are here to lay the groundwork for a US invasion. Sufans tried to befriend those who seem more sympathetic. And today, that effort has paid off. One contact has confirmed the Yemenis are withholding evidence, despite their denials. And if the Yemenis won't hand it over voluntarily, the FBI will have to take it forcefully.

26:14The Yemeni driver is surprised, but obeys. Another swapping. Sufan directs the driver to an earth-coloured square house with a high gate. His contact told him this government laboratory is where the missing evidence is. He jumps out of the truck and marches into the house, surprising the Yemeni scientists eating a meal in the courtyard. Who are you? Sufan flips open his badge. US FBI were investigating the attack on the USS Cole. I was told some parts from the ship washed ashore and were brought here. The scientist shakes his head. No, there's nothing here. You sure? Yes, absolutely. Okay then.

27:05Sufan smiles and walks past the scientist into the first room off the courtyard. The scientist chases him. What are you doing? We have authority to search here for anything relating to our investigation. Stop! You're not allowed in there. Sufan's FBI colleagues have followed him in, and, without asking, fan out into each room of the house. Sufan offers his mobile phone to the scientist. Do you need to call somebody? The man hesitates. Just then, his FBI colleagues walk past them, carrying the ship's radar cover and other items. You can't take that. The scientist tries to bar their way, But Sufan steps forward.

27:49These items are from the USS Cole. They belong to the United States and we are taking them with us. No, please. I need to call somebody. Sufan tucks his phone into his pocket, barges past the scientist and jumps into the truck. Let's go, now. One of the SWAT team looks around nervously. And keep your heads down in case there's firing. I don't trust anybody in this friggin' country. As they speed away, Sufarn knows the elation of this small victory will be short-lived. It's clear the Yemenis don't want them here, and they certainly don't want to help them find who's behind the bombing that killed 17 American sailors.

28:38A few days later, Aden Harbor. Sufarn sits in a speedboat alongside his boss, John O 'Neill, as it zooms towards the USS Cole in the middle of the harbour. Sufane shouts over the noise. What took you so long, boss? Our fucking ambassador wouldn't let me into the country. Says she's worried about offending the Yemenis. So she's met you before then. Yeah, funny. Aha. But as they get closer to the USS Cole, their humour fades. The massive scorched hole in the side of the ship gives it the impression of a fatally wounded animal. The Coles captain greets them with a shocked, hollow expression and takes them below deck to the galley where the most casualties were.

29:27Even though Sufan has been here before, he can't get used to the sickly smell of death and brine, nor the dried blood on the floor. Close by, FBI investigators examine blackened objects, trying to decide if they come from the ship, A sailor or a suicide bomber? Soufan notices tears in O 'Neill's eyes.

29:55A few minutes later, they are both back on deck. As they breathe in the fresh sea air, O 'Neill leans against the gunwale. Ali, you're the lead on this investigation, okay? My job is to deal with this ridiculous ambassador and the stonewalling Yemenis. Your job is to nail the bastards behind this. Also, the Naval Criminal Investigative Service is sending someone to partner with you on it. He knows Yemen and speaks Arabic. Sure, happy for any help. As the men contemplate the distant hills behind Aden, Sufan suddenly realizes something. Al-Qaeda won't have let a propaganda opportunity like this slip That's Bernadine's thing So?

30:44So someone would have filmed it They'll have been somewhere with a good view of the ship Probably the harbour or those hills So there's at least one person involved in the plot Out there Exactly Then go find him

31:15October 2000, Little Aidan. Sufan and his new NCIS co-investigator, Bob McFadden, are interviewing people at the docks. The man used a crane to put the boat in the water? Yes. What was in the boat? I don't know. It was covered with a red carpet. Sufan and McFadden exchange a glance. One of the sailors on the USS Cole mentioned the red carpet, and the crane was probably needed because the boat was heavy with explosives. They're making progress. They now have the descriptions and names of the two suicide bombers, but the man who videoed the attack remains elusive. Sufan turns back to the witness.

32:01Do you know where these men were staying? I heard they had a house in Medinet al-Sharaab. Sufan doesn't know the area. He looks around for Hussein Ansi, the Yemeni intelligence chief in Aden, who's accompanying them. But he's nowhere to be seen. It's odd, as Ansi is usually glued to their sides. He's supposed to be helping, but Sufan suspects he's really here to sabotage the investigation. Finally, he sees him, talking to a fisherman away from the crowd. Realising he's spotted them, the fisherman leaves quickly, and Ansi wanders back. Sufan narrows his eyes. Who was that? What did he say? Ansi turns his hands outwards.

32:52Nothing. Nothing? Nothing of importance. Suvane's lips compressed with anger. Perhaps you should let us, the investigators, decide that. How far is Medinet al-Shaab? Maybe a 40-minute drive. Why? Because we need to go there now. Why? It's necessary. It's all you need to know.

33:22Later. Medinet al-Shaab. Sufan steps out of an armored 4x4 and onto a dusty street with few amenities. Within moments, they are surrounded by a curious crowd of men and boys. Sufan takes advantage.

33:39Ali Soufan:I wish to speak to the mayor. An elderly man in a turban with a ceremonial dagger stuck in his belt is pushed forward. Yes, I am an American, FBI, and I'm investigating the bombing of the ship. The mayor looks puzzled. But you speak Arabic. Sufan smiles. Americans are not what you think. I wish to know about any strangers in this area. There were three Saudis here. They rented a house and kept a boat in the yard. Sufan sees Ansi glowering that he's managed to get the area's most powerful person on side. Which house? The mayor points down the street to one with a tall, white wall around it. Thank you.

34:30Sufan and McFadden head towards the house, but Ansi moves to stop them. You should let us go in first. Why? For your protection, they may have left booby traps. Fine. We'll wait here, but five minutes only. Ansi enters the house with his men, but quickly returns. There is nothing there. We can go. We will decide that. Thank you. Soufan heads inside. At first glance, Ansi appears to be right. The suicide bombers swept the house clean before leaving. Soufan radios the FBI team waiting in the 4x4s. We need forensics here, please. The forensics team arrive, suited up in thin plastic overalls and masks Hansi scoffs as they drop to their hands and knees to begin searching But when they find fingerprints, strands of hair, and finally, residues of TNT The smile is wiped off his face Soufan's mobile phone rings Hello?

35:43Yes, we're on our way He hangs up. We need to head back to the port. They found an apartment rented by the bombers.

35:55A few hours later, Aden Harbour. In the apartment overlooking the port, Soufan looks through the large windows facing the sea. The coal is clearly visible, being prepared for towing by a salvage vessel. Perfect view for filming. His NCIS colleague McFadden nods. Here, let's talk to the neighbors. They move into the communal hallway and knock on doors, accompanied by a Yemeni intelligence officer. Sufan feels grateful Ansi chose to stay behind in Medinet al-Sharaab. Good morning, I'm with the American FBI. We're investigating the ship bombing. Do you know who's been renting the flat next door? I saw many men go in and out.

36:45Saudis, by their accent. Did they use any names at all? No. But a few times I saw Fahad Al-Qasar visiting. Sufan sees the intelligence officer, recognizes the name. Once back in the apartment, Sufan presses him for information. You know this Al-Qasar? Who is he? Is he local? Yes, he's local. and known to be Al-Qaeda. Sufan's heart leaps. Finally, a clear link with Al-Qaeda. Do you know where he is? The intelligence officer nods. It might take a little while, but we'll find him for you.

37:34A few weeks later, Sufan is with his boss, O 'Neill, in a motorboat heading towards Aden Harbor. Since hearing gunfire outside their hotel, the FBI team have been staying offshore on the USS Duluth, a US Navy transport ship. So Al-Qusseh is the video guy. That's my hunch. Sounds like he might be well-connected. I'm hoping he'll tell us who ordered the attack.

37:59Ali Soufan:Make sure Bodine doesn't get wind of it. Zulfan grins. Barbara Bodine, the US ambassador to Yemen, wants the FBI to stop annoying the Yemenis. O 'Neill's shouting matches with her have resulted in a formal complaint to Washington. A member of the SWAT team on the boat interrupts them. Sir, there's two unknowns on the hill watching us. Are they armed? No visible weapons, but their binoculars look military. O 'Neill and Sifan look at each other, worried. As the boat reaches the harbor, However, Sufan pulls aside one of the Yemeni intelligence officers, waiting to meet them. Hey, have you got any men stationed up on that hill over there?

38:46None that I know of. Why? No, no reason. Sufan glances back to the hill where the watchers were and feels a chill. If those men weren't Yemeni intelligence, they're probably Al-Qaeda. And that means he and his team are now potential targets.

39:07A month later, Aden. Sufan and McFadden sit at a table in a bare interrogation room. Yemeni intelligence chief Ansi leans against one of the walls, scowling at them. Al-Qassar, the man they suspect filmed the attack on the coal, was arrested a few days ago. Ansi immediately tried to have him released, claiming he knew nothing. Soufan and O 'Neill appeal to Ansi's boss to prevent that happening. And now he's furious. They hear the clink of handcuffs. And when the door opens, a small, thin young man enters. Ansi moves swiftly to greet him with a kiss on each cheek. He then seems to whisper something into the suspect's ear.

39:55Soufan interrupts. Ansi steps back. Al-Qasr smiles, flops down in his chair and looks at Sufan. I'm not talking to you. I'm waiting for the interrogator. I am the interrogator. You're FBI? Yes. No, you're not FBI, you're Mossad. You think there are no Muslims in America? Al-Qasr looks flummoxed and glances at Ansi. Sufan decides to follow up quickly. We know about your role in the attack on the coal. You were the cameraman, weren't you? No, I know nothing about the attack. Sufan smiles. He recognizes Al-Qasr's initial denial tactics from the photocopied manual he found in Manchester. He knew it would come in useful.

40:52And after denial will come the low-value intel that suggests cooperation. Have you had food today? Because I think you should prepare yourself for a very long night of questions. Al-Qassar glances at Ansi with a trace of fear in his eyes. Sufan smiles at him and feels the thrill of a hunter. It might take all night. It might take several days. but he will prize the truth of the Al-Qasar.

41:50Have you got a spy story you'd like us to tell? Email your ideas to thespywho at audible.com A quick note about the scenes you've been hearing. In most cases, we can't know exactly what was said. Those scenes are dramatizations. But they're based on the best available sources. If you'd like to know more about this story, we recommend The Black Banners Declassified by Alou Soufan and The Looming Tower by Lawrence Wright. The Spy Who is hosted by me, Raza Jaffrey. Produced by Audible with Yellow Ant. This episode was written by Judy Cooper and researched by Louise Byrne, with thanks to Paula Richardson.

42:34The senior producer was Jay Priest. The sound designer was Damien Pace. The lead sound designer was Joshua Morales. For Yellow Ant, the story editor and executive producer was Tristan Donovan. For Audible, the executive producers were Estelle Doyle and Theodora Leloudis. Head of Production, Audible Europe, Chris Jones. Senior Director of Originals, Lisa Higginson. Head of Audible Originals International, Aurélie de Troyes. Sound recording, copyright 2026 by Audible Limited.

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Ali Soufan is a rookie FBI agent convinced that an almost unknown terror group called al-Qaeda, and its leader Osama Bin Laden, are a threat to America. When the naval destroyer USS Cole is attacked by suicide bombers, he knows it’s al-Qaeda. But now he has to prove it.

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