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24:46Tim Dillon:salk was not building an autonomous drone army and a lot of these a lot of these guys are like a lot of them have given up on america good they don't care about the nation state they want to raise tremendous amounts of capital from the government they want to raid the treasury so they can build a arsenal of weapons for the Defense Department, maybe also for themselves. They're all building these bunkers all over the world. What do they know that we don't know? You know, not to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but it's creepy. Look, you're getting into some kind of creepy areas. I don't think you're crazy.

25:23I mean, who the hell knows? But maybe you're crazy. I don't know. But I don't think so. But here's, look, let's go there for a second. All right. Right now, you know, I know, presumably everybody knows, no great secret, that Musk and Bezos and Ellison and Altman and others are putting hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars into AI and robotics. Correct? Correct. Okay. Now, does anybody really believe that these guys are doing it in order to improve life for the average American? Zero people believe that. Statistically. It's funny that you say that. I was at Davenport, Iowa. Those four guys don't even believe it.

26:07I was at Davenport, Iowa a couple of months ago, and we had a few thousand people out at a rally. So I said, you know, I said what I just said. They're putting all this money. Raise your hand. Thousands of people. Raise your hand if you think AI and robotics is going to help the working class of this country. In a room of several thousand people, two hands went up. So people understand, you know, and what are their goals? What are they trying to do? And this is where it really becomes kind of creepy. In my view, and I don't claim to be the world's greatest expert. But what you're going to see with AI and robotics is the displacement of millions and millions of people from the jobs that they have.

26:49You know, I want to see manufacturing rebuilt in America. But for a worker, it's not going to mean anything if robots are doing the work. And we want to see young people start their own small businesses, et cetera. But it's going to be incredibly hard when we see more concentration of ownership. and when entry-level jobs are going to be done by AI. So you're looking at a revolution, a huge economic transformation, cultural transformation of our society. Who is determining what's happening? You have much say in it? No. No. I've got a handful of people who are really determining the future of the world.

27:27That's scary stuff.

27:29Tim Dillon:Well, I want to talk about for a minute because Trump's main issue, it was immigration. The migration seems to be the biggest issue in the UK election. It was the biggest issue in the US election. It seems to be a massive issue all over the world. And I wanted to talk. I don't like the ice rates. They're barbaric. I think showing up to a college graduation and deporting somebody who's there to watch his daughter graduate from college or high school, whatever it is, is inhumane. But I will point to an article from 2007 in the Wall Street Journal about the Krieger poultry processing plant in Georgia.

28:16Tim Dillon:And what it was, was after a raid, you had the owners of that company were forced to hire American workers. A lot of them were African-American workers and then raise wages to around$7 to$9 per hour. And this was the direct result of not having a pool of undocumented labor. I think a lot of people don't like to see people zip tied in the middle of the street, but they do look at the Biden administration letting in 10 million people and their suffering and their healthcare doesn't exist or is too expensive. and they're looking at all the people coming in and the justifications for that, that these are all jobs Americans won't do.

29:08Tim Dillon:The service industry, you know, whether it's manufacturing or landscaping or whatever it is, these jobs, because this is what I've, ever since I've grown up, we've always heard that. These are jobs Americans won't do. Mark Andreessen said recently that the only jobs that won't be replaced by AI are venture capital, which is his job. So my question is, is there a position that the Democratic Party can take that is obviously anti people getting dragged out of their houses, but recognizes that citizenship should mean something, that we should have a border and that, you know, having laws that protect workers is important.

29:51Tim Dillon:and that people employing undocumented workers or illegal labor is driving down wages for Americans? All right. You've asked a lot of very important questions, good questions. Let's start off with the basic. So long as we have nation states, right, which we have, you got to have borders, right? Right. If you don't have any borders, then you don't have a nation, right, in a sense. so has historically the united states done well on the democrats and republicans protecting the border the answer is no trump did a better job i don't like trump you know but we should have a secure border and it ain't that hard to do biden didn't do it those before him did not do it we should have a secure border period i think most people in the congress agree with that Why don't you think he did it, just out of curiosity?

30:46Tim Dillon:Pardon me? Why don't you think Biden was more proactive with securing the border? He did. He did some things. He was not—I think by the end of his term, if my memory is correct, the number of illegal folks coming in had gone down. But I'm not going to sit here and tell you that overall it was a good job. It was not. All right. So that's point number one. You need a border, let's have a border. And we have certainly the technology and the manpower to make that happen. Number two, what happens? What is the appropriate response to, we think, there are about 10 million undocumented people in the country today, less than 3 % of our population, okay?

31:28Tim Dillon:There are estimates that are higher, but let's say it's 10. Those are the best estimates I've seen. Okay. Why did those, let's be clear, those people, My father came to this country from Poland, came in legally. They came in illegally, period. Okay? It was illegal. What are most of those people doing right now? Are they - Oh, working hard. Good. None of those people should be faulted for coming here. Okay. It should be, we should start faulting people like Steve Wynn, who run a billion dollar hotel on - And exploit them, right. On illegal labor. Why aren't we enforcing E-Verify? Yeah. Good. All right.

32:10Yeah. All right. Anyway, so you got these folks who came to this country, the same reason my dad came to this country. He grew up poor in Poland, came for a better life. And that's why they dragged their kids, you know, from Mexico, Guatemala, thousands of miles. You know, they have a better life. They escaped the violence and the poverty that they're in. They're here now. The truth of the matter is, and one of the things that I really, really dislike about Trump and what demagogues always do is this country, as we've discussed, has enormous problems. And what demagogues always do, instead of trying to deal with why we have those problems, what are the causes of the problem?

32:48What are the solutions? You blame a powerless minority. In Europe in the 30s, it was the Jews, it was gypsies. In this country, it was gays. It was blacks forever, you know, Latinos, always somebody to blame rather than dealing with the real issue. So anyhow, you got roughly 10 million people in this country, most of whom, by the way, work very hard. And according to a number of studies, the crime rate, you know, Trump goes around, you know, talking about, you know, somebody does, you know, commits a terrible, terrible murder. Trump is talking about all their lawless, you know, disgusting, subhuman human beings.

33:24Look at this crime. Yeah. Truth is that the crime rate in communities of undocumented meant that people was lower than the general average. Do you know that?

33:31Tim Dillon:Well, the crime rate should almost be none, right? If people are coming into America and they are coming here for a better life and they're properly screened, the crime rate should almost be nothing. Well, it is. It's lower. All I'm saying is this is not like they're criminals. Everyone's a drug addict. I don't think anyone thinks everyone is a criminal, and I don't think that anyone. But we do have a ton of income inequality, as you've talked about. So assimilating people into this economic structure is difficult. It is inevitable that some people that cannot find work will turn to crime. And I mean, that's just inevitable.

34:08But my only point is this is not a community that is prone to large amounts of crime. All right. So what do we do? You've got 10 million people here. Most of them are working hard. Your point, I think, is well taken. Yeah. A lot of employers exploit them. Yeah. And by the way, often these people are paying Social Security payroll tax, paying Medicare payroll tax, paying other taxes, and they don't get the benefits for what they pay, by the way.

34:33Tim Dillon:Right. All right. But this has always been a Republican issue. Like, this is why I don't understand why the Democratic Party allowed the issue to be kind of demagogued. Because even, you know, yourself, you were out there advocating always for workers' rights. Right. And, you know, when somebody talked about open borders, you rightly said that, you know, this is something that Koch brothers would love. They were huge proponents of immigration. The Chamber of Commerce, huge proponents of immigration. A lot of, you know, radical libertarians like the Kochs and others, huge proponents of immigration.

35:06Tim Dillon:so when they're bringing all these people in and whether it's 10 million or more i mean there's probably i mean i think there are credible estimates are a bit more but i don't think it's necessarily about the exact number but why were americans told at a certain point that they should not consider certain blue-collar jobs worthy of their time they should all they should take out student loans and, you know, go to a four-year university. And then a lot of those jobs that were, you know, ended up going to people that came into the country legally and the employers are paying a lot less money. I think there's a lot of people that feel that these pro-business interests brought in a lot of people to increase the profits of their own companies at the expense of people that saw a lot of their jobs shipped overseas.

36:08There's a lot of stuff that's going on. And one of the things, you know, in my view, I mean, for people like the Koch brothers, that was their goal. It was cheap labor. You know, but I think where we are right now, I mean, is you have X number, whatever it is. I think my understanding is about 10 million. What do we do? And the answer is, I think, right now and where Congress has failed, although there have been bipartisan efforts, is obviously comprehensive immigration reform. Right. And in my view, a path towards citizenship. And we have failed in that regard.

36:50So, you know, I think that right now, that is the goal that Congress should set upon itself. I think that, you know, that is a terribly important issue that has to be done with. For many of us, going further isn't a choice.

37:11Tim Dillon:It's a feeling we can't ignore. because ambition has a way of outgrowing where it began, turning dreams into direction. Every journey brings us closer to the life we imagine. So, where will your journey take you? Etihad, Beyond Borders. You know, listen, I think that most Americans, not everyone, obviously, but most Americans feel that people should live the lives they want to live as long as they're not infringing upon other people. Where people do get understandably concerned is children. And I think with the trans issue, you only seem to hear from the loudest voices on both sides, by the way, people on the right that believe that trans people shouldn't exist.

38:09Tim Dillon:And then people on the radical end of the trans movement that believe any questioning of when younger people should be introduced to an idea or when medical intervention is necessary, a lot of people, they regard any question about those things as a transphobia or an attack. Most people in America don't want prepubescent children on puberty-blocking hormones. And this is by the polls, right? Because they feel that kids are kids. They're young. They don't quite know what's going on yet. And to make an irreversible medical decision at that age, if you're encouraged to do so, that to a lot of people feels like an infringement on their rights as parents.

39:00Tim Dillon:And to me, I feel like it's one of the issues that the Democratic Party has seemed to have lost their way on because it has sucked the oxygen out of a lot of the conversations that you want to have, which are good conversations about a woman's right to choose and gay rights and trans rights and all of these good things that should exist. But when you have this issue about puberty-blocking hormones for children, it's such a controversial issue for so many people. The answer is yes, you're right. Okay. But the answer is, and it is important, and I think Democrats and perhaps myself have not done as good a job as we can in dealing with it.

39:41What percentage of the population is trans, do you think? Probably 1%. Maybe at most.

39:46Tim Dillon:Yeah. All right. Today, 60 ,000 people every single year die because they can't get medical care. 60 ,000. Yeah. All right. Today, we've got 800 ,000 people who are homeless. Today we're dealing with a climate crisis that could wreak havoc over the years. Right. So I think you're right in saying, I think you're right, that the Democrats have allowed the Republicans to exploit those issues by not dealing with them effectively. Well, they've also just refused to compromise. I mean, these are unpopular issues. Fair enough. Biological men and women's sports, it's just an unpopular issue. You know, child sex changes, no one wants this.

40:25Tim Dillon:Very few people. Very radical people. And I understand that people have trans children and I get it. But, you know, this has tremendously hurt the electability of Democrats. But I think the answer is yes. But the answer also is why are we talking, are we not talking about some of the issues that I raised earlier? Why are we not talking about the fact that we are the only major country on not to guarantee health care to all people. Because the Republicans are demagoguing this one issue because it was handed to them on a silver platter by Democrats. Well, all right. All that I'm saying is if this country can do whatever, I live 50 miles, I live in Burlington, Vermont, 50 miles away from the Canadian border.

41:16You end up in a hospital in a month in Canada. You know what the bill is when you come out? A lot of money. In Canada, a lot of money? No, zero.

41:24Tim Dillon:Oh, in Canada. I thought you meant in Burlington. It earns us a lot of money. All right. They spend half as much per capita. Stop for a moment and think what it would mean to this country. I'm talking to the people out there. If you get ill, you end up in a hospital, you don't have to pay anything out of your own pocket. And as a nation, we end up in spending half as much as we're spending now per capita because the function of our health care system is not just to make the insurance companies and the drug companies. Do you know what that would do to America? Do you know how many people, half a million people a year go bankrupt because of medically related debt?

42:03People don't go into the doctor. They can't afford to pay their copayment. Right. All right. It would be transformative. What would it mean to America if we raise the minimum wage to a living wage? We got millions of people, the minimum wage in Washington now, federal minimum wage, seven and a quarter an hour. All right. You got millions of people working for starvation wages. All right. What would it mean if we raised the minimum wage to a living wage? What would it mean in this country if you didn't have to pay 40 or 50 percent of your limited incomes on housing because we built millions of units of low income and affordable housing?

42:36Tim Dillon:Yeah. What I'm saying is the Republicans, and I really do dislike this, if people disagree with me on health care, fine. Let's debate the issue. Disagree with me on economics. Debate the issue. But I really do hate demagoguery where you deflect attention away from the major crises facing large numbers of people right now, as you know, where I think in the 20th day of a shutdown. You know what the issue is? The issue is a very simple one. If Trump and his friends get their way, 15 million people will lose the health care they have today. And according to studies, 50 ,000 of them will die unnecessarily every year.

43:15And if you're on the Affordable Care Act, on average, your premiums will double.

43:20Tim Dillon:Which is why I think a lot of people, because I agree, but a lot of people with an election with so much at stake were shocked that President Biden was, you know, put out as the candidate with clear cognitive issues. and then without a primary, Kamala Harris, who was relatively unpopular in the Democratic primaries, was then the candidate, and she only had 90 days to sell herself to the American people. And by the way, she did a decent job for having 90 days. But the machinery of the Democratic Party allowed that to happen, and this has nothing to do with you, by the way. You're kind of, even though you're a Democrat, you're outside of that.

44:10Tim Dillon:I'm an independent. You're an independent. You know, a caucus with a Democrat. No, for sure. And nobody would hold you responsible for that at all. But the machinery of the modern Democratic Party allows that to happen. And they tell us this election has the stakes have never been higher. Democracy is on the ballot. And then they allow this to happen. How does that happen? Why is there such a cover-up with Biden's mental decline? Why is there no primary, a quick one even, after he is judged unfit to run? Why is there no transparency there? That's a huge problem. And I think it delivered the – I mean I know people blame five podcasters, but I think that process helped deliver the country.

44:53Again, let me just say this. I ran against Kamala back in 2020. Um, and, and Noah is not close, but I know her well, and she's an incredibly intelligent, focused person. Uh, and I worked as hard as I could. I ran all over the country to try to get her elected. I think the reason that she lost that election gets back to the point we, we discussed at the beginning of this podcast, and that is money in politics. Kamala did not run a campaign focused on the needs of the working class. didn't run a campaign focused on health care, on economics and raising the minimum wage, on paid family and medical leave, on housing, on all of the issues that working people are struggling with right now.

45:49And I think her not focusing on those issues allowed Trump to win, in my view.

45:55Tim Dillon:Right. What do you think about this ceasefire or this peace deal? This seems like maybe it's unraveling. We don't know. I hope it works. You're right. Let's hope to God. Yeah, I pray. Let me say a word on this because I've been involved in this a little bit, as you may know. Hamas is a terrorist organization that committed an atrocity when it attacked Israel and killed 1 ,200 innocent men, women, and a lot of young people. Took hundreds of hostages. Israel had a right to defend itself as any country on earth does when you're attacked by anybody, especially a terrorist organization. But what happened for a variety of reasons in Israel, having to do with Israeli politics and Netanyahu, is they didn't just go to war against Hamas, which was appropriate.

46:46They went to war against the entire Palestinian people. And two years after that attack, you have some 65 ,000, in a population, Tim, of 2.2 million, pretty small population, 65 ,000 people are dead. 140 ,000, 160 ,000 have been injured. That's 10 % of the entire population, mostly women, children, and the elderly. 10%. That equivalent in America would be 330, 33 million people killed or wounded. All right. And behind all of that was American money. All right. So to my mind, the first lesson to be learned is never again. And this is true under Biden. We beg Biden. Did everything I could to say, Mr.

47:39President, stop giving Netanyahu more and more military aid to destroy the Palestinian people. people. And Trump came in. He continued the same process. Now, thank God, we think a few days ago, they've reached the ceasefire. Hostages were released. That's fantastic. Prisoners were released. Let's hope to God it holds. And let's hope that the United States and the international community rebuild Gaza. It's not just the dead and the wounded. That whole area is flattened.

48:10Tim Dillon:You have Miriam Adelson, who gave Trump a lot of money. You have a lot of mega donors that have given Trump a lot of money. AIPAC's a very powerful lobbying organization that doesn't have to register as a foreign lobby. Should America fundamentally re-evaluate its relationship with Israel? I think the lesson here is that never again, well, never again should the United States be pouring in huge amounts of money to a country which is not only acting in violation of international law in violation of American law. It is in violation of American law to give money to a country which is restricting humanitarian aid, for example.

48:54So we have given money to Netanyahu in violation of both international law and American law. In my view, Netanyahu is a war criminal. The people at the head of Hamas are war criminals as well. I hope that is a lesson that we learn as a country.

49:07Tim Dillon:Well, I mean, you can see right now that this is the biggest tension point in both the Republican and Democratic Party when it pertains to young voters. Young people who can't afford a house are living in a country where they are graduating college and the job market is tough. Don't understand why billions and billions of dollars are going to Israel. And by the way, they're also understanding we're now year three or four of this Ukraine conflict with Putin. and I think a lot of them are struggling to understand why billions and billions of dollars are going to the Ukraine and why Trump is now telling Zelensky, go win all your territory back instead of trying to force some type of peace.

50:02I don't see the two issues as comparable. I think, as I said, Israel had a right to...

50:09Tim Dillon:I mean, they're both foreign conflicts. Yeah, they are. That younger people are wondering why their money is going to negotiate a land dispute in northern Ukraine. I don't call it a land dispute. Eventually, it will end up being some type of exchange of territory or it's a border dispute. I think Putin is a disgusting human being. And by the way, what is not widely perceived or known, you know, to the best of my knowledge, Which, unbelievably, hundreds of thousands of young Russians have died in that war. Well, everyone, so many people have died. And that's why a lot of Americans don't want to be part of it.

50:52Tim Dillon:You know, I mean, we don't want our money going to increase the likelihood that more people are going to die. I think a lot of people are making money. You know, Putin's been able to reorganize the economy of his country as a wartime economy. He's been able to evade American sanctions. He's deepened his relationship with China, India, Brazil, the BRICS nations. He's been able to do a lot of things that have probably increased his power base for now, maybe not long term. But is it smart to keep pouring money and military aid into this conflict with America in the state that it's in? I have talked to ambassadors from a number of countries in Europe.

51:34and their fear is that Putin has this idea that he's going to rebuild the Russian Empire and continue to advance. And if he is not stopped at the Ukraine, other Eastern Europe countries will be next. NATO will be involved and maybe the United States and our troops as well.

51:56Tim Dillon:The rebuttal to that would be he can barely win in the Ukraine. So the idea that he's going to go march through Europe now, I mean, he can't even finish the job there. All right. Anyhow, I think this is a terrible guy who invaded a country that should not have been invaded. And I think it has to be resisted. That's my view. At what point would you decide that it might be time to pull the plug on American funding for that war? Would you go? Would you commit American troops to fight Russia over the Ukraine? No, no, no, no, no. Okay. Absolutely not. Would you give Zelensky long-range missiles capable of hitting Moscow?

52:34No, I don't think you want to do that either. But I think, you know, you don't want to see this terrible war with so many casualties even explode even further. But I think, you know, the United States has got to use all of its influence to tell Putin to end this bloody war.

52:52Tim Dillon:How do you think America's relationship with Israel is going to change? I think it is changing. Yeah. I think as you've indicated, you got certainly in the progressive left community in America, which started off being sympathetic to Israel after they were attacked. That has been completely changed. And I think the point you made, maybe not widely known, is a lot of young Republicans now, younger people, under 40, under 50, no longer want to continue to support a government like that. Should AIPAC register as a foreign lobby? AIPAC has played a terrible role. That's a good question. I don't know the answer to it, honestly.

53:31But AIPAC has spread money around all over the place to right-wing Republicans, to liberal Democrats.

53:40And they have played a terrible, terrible role in trying to win support for Netanyahu. I think the very good news is their influence is beginning to wane. I don't know if you've noticed it. I've seen it. The establishment of Democrats are saying, well, thank you. Not only don't I want you, I'm going to return your donations. I don't want any part of it. And that is because I think the American people are disgusted with what has gone on in Gaza.

54:08Tim Dillon:I think I want a few more questions. I think it's so interesting. Again, I think, you know, a lot of what you say is so mainstream. And yet you're portrayed in the media as someone who's on the fringe of American politics. And this interview doesn't seem to be the case. You're not saying tax people at 90%. Maybe you believe that, but you didn't say it. No, I am saying that we shouldn't have people owning more than a billion dollars, I guess, within the context of American politics. A lot of people, I think a lot of people would say a billion dollars is fine. I think a lot of people would say a billion dollars is fine.

54:49And what I'm saying, by the way, Tim, is, you know, I talk to my European friends and they say, hey, Bernie, I don't want to hurt your feelings. But in Europe, you would not be considered all that radical.

54:59Tim Dillon:Right, right. No, in America, maybe even not, you know. So when you look at the UK, for example, and you look at the issues that they're having around migration, some of these issues are financial. Some of them are cultural. Some of these are cultural issues. Different groups of people learning how to live with each other. That's right. And, you know, there is this knee-jerk reaction to call everybody a racist that has concerns about culture. and I don't mean, you know, people going like, I don't want to live with Muslims or I don't want to live with a, obviously there's elements of racism to that.

55:36Tim Dillon:But the United States, you know, when you have large groups of people, whether it's Qatar giving the president a plane or it's Israel going, we need more money or it's the, you know, the governor of Minnesota, Jacob Fry telling a Somali delegation, Like, I'd love to go to Somalia. One of the reasons I think Zoran's doing so well is he goes, I'm not visiting Israel. I'm going to stay in New York. And he's focusing on the issues facing the people in New York. There are people that believe, and not in a paranoid, racist, crazy way, but that groups of people are using and exploiting not only America, but other successful countries, Western countries.

56:18Tim Dillon:And that they're going in there and they don't care about the laws, rules, customs, culture of the country. They're going in there to suck money out or they're going in there to establish a power base and dictate, you know, a lot of people are worried about free speech. A lot of people are worried about laws that, you know, are supposed to be protecting Jewish people, but they really are protecting criticism of Israel. there's people that worry about you know islamic groups that are demanding that certain laws be passed that restrict any criticism of uh islam how can we have these conversations where they're not where people aren't having these knee-jerk reactions about racism how can we say that we do have a civilization that believes in certain things and then if you come to it or you come to the UK, come to any country, you have to respect the laws, customs, and culture of that country.

57:18Tim Dillon:You cannot turn that country into something that it fundamentally isn't, right? You can't demand. Look, if I come into your house, right? You invite me to dinner? Yes. You are my host, right? Right. And I respect that. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's fair. Yeah. No one forces somebody to come to another country. So, I mean, I think that basic principle is correct. How do we figure out how, you know, because there's a lot of it, you know, when Zoran says, I want$100 million to deal with legal disputes for undocumented people in New York. There are a lot of Americans and New Yorkers that go, why aren't we spending$100 million and investing it in the Bronx or Brooklyn or areas of, like, it does seem to be.

58:06Tim Dillon:some of the empathy that the Democratic Party used to have for citizens not having health care, it does seem to be always directed in the direction of immigration. Well, Zoran is, I'm sure, a Medicare for All advocate as well. We've talked about health care in New York City, et cetera. And I think he's going to do a great job in trying to deal with the affordability issue here in the city. But I think we're, as a nation, at a very unprecedented moment in that you have a president who wants more and more power unto himself. And I think it's important that we stop him and ICE from these terrible raids of throwing people into vans.

58:49And I think that's what Zoran is trying to protect people who have lived in New York City all over the country. I've seen people all over the country for decades. They're working hard. He does not want to see somebody in a mask, pick them up, throw them into a bed.

59:04Tim Dillon:And I disagree with those ICE raids. But if we're encouraging people to attack ICE or block ICE vehicles. Well, for sure. But if that happens, that is being used as the pretext for these troop deployments in the cities. What Trump is doing is totally crazy. I mean, he's trying to say that in Portland, Oregon, they are trying to overthrow the United States government. No, no, no. I understand. Really? I understand that that's insane. But I do think that Zoran, if he goes to war with Trump on enforcing federal immigration law, will make New York a pretty crazy place to live. Look, I think his focus and the reason – I think, honestly, he's run a brilliant campaign.

59:43Yeah. He's a very, very intelligent guy. I think he's focusing on how you can govern in a very difficult circumstance. I think the focus on affordability, how you control housing prices in the city, how you make child care available to more and more people.

1:00:00Tim Dillon:Do you worry that he'll move to the Senate? There was reported that he had a meeting with David Axelrod and the Obama people and stuff like that. He talks to a lot of people, and I think that's a good thing. No, I got to tell you, I'm a fan of his. You're a fan. I've been really impressed. You know, this is a guy. What if he's toasting Jamie Dimon in two years? What if he's in a ballroom? I don't think that's going to happen. Well, this is what happens sometimes. And then somebody's in a ballroom with Jamie Dimon and Zoran's going, Jamie, you know, when I got here, I was just skeptic, but you're my best friend.

1:00:31Tim Dillon:And then they're on a yacht and it's going all over New York. Between you and me, I do not think that's going to happen. I don't think Alexandria and I will be in New York City next week. Is she running for president? How about a unity ticket? Marjorie and Cortez. What about that? Marjorie Taylor Greene in AOC. You came up with that idea. It's actually my idea. It's not a bad idea. Fighting Oligarchy is the book. Fight Oligarchy. Senator Bernie Sanders from Vermont. A consistent voice in American politics. There's no one that doesn't respect you, by the way. Which is rare to say to a politician.

1:01:10Tim Dillon:Go out, read this book, including me. And I appreciate you coming on and talking to us. read this book, and I hope Peter Thiel puts us in prison, in similar parts of the prison. All right. So that we can socialize. So that we can discuss the book. Bernie Sanders. Thank you so much. Jim, thanks for having me. Of course.