484 - Epstein, Wexner, & The Great Silverware Heist

29:11Tim Dillon:I don't care that you thought the opening ceremony was satanic. I don't care that you got really invested in the bobsledding. I don't want to hear anything. I don't care that the skier broke her leg and now her career's over. None of this matters anymore. It's like Hollywood's dying. we're not going to care about the Olympics. Folks, when I grew up, Olympians were stars. They had backstories you cared about. Then it got really sad, and I've talked about it on the show before, where they're like, he lived in a car for a year. His mother shot herself in the face, and now he's going for gold. And you're like, well, this is a little dark because people's lives have gotten so dark that the backstory used to be his father got him up every morning and they went down to the frozen lake.

30:01Tim Dillon:and his father was like, you're going to be a figure skater because you're gay. And that was nice. That was a nice thing. And he's like, you can suck all the cock that you want when you win gold or something like that. And that was fine. That was fine. But then it became like really dark where it was like his mother bought lottery tickets every day and she would sit there smoking cigs and scratching her scratch-offs. And he looked at her and he said, the only way I'm going to get us out of here is if I do the pole vault or whatever. It's just weird. And now it's like nothing. Can you get up anything about this skier who lost a career?

30:39Tim Dillon:Or am I even remembering this right? Didn't a woman have an injury and now she can't ski anymore? And who cares? No offense. Who's this for? Lindsey Vonn, a 41-year-old five-time Olympian. It's enough already then. suffered a complex severe left tibia fracture after a high-speed crash during the February 8th Olympic downhill in Milan, Cortina, following a horror crash. She underwent multiple surgeries for her leg in pieces with recent updates indicating that she's recovering and back on U.S. soil. Now, listen, let's watch this because, again, obviously it's sad that she got hurt, but I just don't care about this.

31:28Tim Dillon:Yeah well she messed up Hold on Show that again That's not what you're supposed to do in that sport She crashed Just seconds into her downhill run Yeah she Here's the thing She goes airborne And then goes in a weird turn Play that again That's not what you're supposed to do I don't even ski and I know that Play this again This is not right She loses control It's over here's the thing folks you know that doesn't make me feel anything and it doesn't make you feel anything and stop lying all right get her out of here i don't want to see this again but it's not real anymore these if hollywood celebrities aren't real we're certainly not going to care i hope her leg is better but this is nothing the olympics aren't a thing and they haven't been for years.

32:24Tim Dillon:And no one's what, what generic, like what conversation starts with like, did you see the Olympics? The people that are watching the Olympics, it's like these little cute influencers in New York that are all getting paid and they're all like, and they send them all to the Olympics and they're all trying to distract you from all the stuff that's going on, which as they should be. but like they're all like whoa i can't i cannot believe i'm here at the olympics it's such an honor let me tell you right now these people invite the j crew people who i did this short film for it was about olympic skiing and like how skiing became a sport and it was it was lovely and the kids on set were very nice one of them we got in a fight with one of them one of them i called him young sheldon he said big back i get it the whole fat thing he called me tim cheese then it became me and him he was like a nine-year-old kid we just started fighting about whether countries should have borders who has sovereignty whatever it's just degenerated but you know and they should whatever it doesn't matter the point is it was a lovely experience we'll play in a minute but they invited me they go you could actually come to the olympics and i go yeah but why they go but you'd be at the olymp it would be cool it's like you'd be at the olympics in milan i go yeah but you know I just don't I don't if I was at the Olympics I'm telling you I would just walk around and go why are we still doing this can you get up Jake Paul and JD Vance talking at the Olympics look at Vance look at his wife and look at Jake Paul I mean that was the Olympics this is the Olympics get that photo up

34:06I mean this is the Olympics I mean it's like I like Jake Paul. I don't hate J.D. Vance. I think they're making a big mess of it up there. But I'm going to fly 10 hours for this because I would have been in that row. I'm in that row. It's Jake Paul, J.D. Vance, and then me, and I'm eating a pastry. I'm in that row. That's the row I'm in, most likely.

34:35Tim Dillon:Or I'm like, even more shamefully, I'm like behind them. You know what I mean? and I'm like somewhere like seated like behind them, but that's the crew. Who do you think they're putting me with? Where do you think I'm going? Where do you think I'm going to go? You think I'm going with the young high influencers? I'm going right next to Vance, the wife, and Paul. And I'm sitting there eating a tiramisu, disinterested, watching this bitch break her leg.

35:06Tim Dillon:Can you, I turn to J.D. Vance and go, ooh. And then I would have made him laugh. I would have went, kind of Pam Bondi, huh? That's the way Pam Bondi's handling everything. And he would have went, well, the thing about Pam. But, you know, I mean, that's where I'd be. I'd be in that row, getting destroyed. So I didn't go to the Olympics. Let's play a little bit of this. J.Crew, short film. And I play a ski instructor talking to the children.

35:38Tim Dillon:What are you even learning here? I mean, what the hell kind of school even is this? Gravitas is honor and dignity. Honor and dignity are truth. Truth is God. God is the mountain. Okay? Are you getting that through your little heads? That was the kid I thought was. Some of your heads aren't that little. Some of you have abnormally large heads. Go back to that kid. Go back to that kid for a minute. Where was he? And some of your heads aren't that little. Some of you have abnormally large heads. Unnatural. And it's something you'll have to deal with. But not today. That little. The mountain. Where is he?

36:21Okay? There, him, him. Truth is God. Try to freeze on him. He started a chant, Tim Cheese, which is like some type of rat in a video game or something. Honor and dignity are truth. He started this. Truth is God. It's quick. Grammatas is honor and dignity. Honor and dignity are truth. All the other children started bullying him. Truth is God. God is the mountain. And then I responded by calling him Young Sheldon. To him. So he starts this chant. No, literally. He starts a chant, Tim Cheese, Tim Cheese. And then he goes big back. He goes... And he makes his... He's blowing his... He's going... And then I go, okay, shut up, Young Sheldon.

37:07And then... Then I burned him. I like cooked him. And then the kids responded to that and he was genuinely deflated. But then he came back at me with more chance. And it became, they were being very vicious. And then they were sick, sevening and stuff. They're sick, the young people. And they're nihilists. But, all right, let's watch the rest of it. Sorry, didn't mean to interrupt.

37:35Tim Dillon:Are you getting that through your little heads? And some of your heads aren't that little. Some of you have abnormally large heads, unnatural, and it's something you'll have to deal with, but not today. So have you ever heard of U.S. ski and snowboard? Yes. Those are the elite of the elite. Those are our eagles, but it didn't start out that way. It started out a long time ago when people were just trying to figure out how to get down that mountain. Let me show you. Alright, there it is. And here's the thing. We will... Okay, there's some left.

38:19We'll post a link to watch this. Alright, and then this is... We'll post a link to watch this. You can give it a look. J. Crew, obviously a clothing company that has a winter ski line. And Kevin Ulrich, the director of this, who's a really great guy, very nice, and

38:34Tim Dillon:allowed me to be a part of it, which was very nice of him. And I don't hold him I'm accountable, obviously, for the bullying that I experienced on set from the children, which is something I could, it is legally actionable. But whatever, I'm not going to do anything about it because I'm a team player. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. For a limited time, you can get a Big Mac meal for just$8. That's a burger, fries, and a drink. They don't call it an extra value meal for nothing. Get a Big Mac meal only at McDonald's. Price and participation may vary. Promotion pricing may be lower than real pricing.

39:08Saturday, September 26th, two of combat sports' most dangerous strikers collide. Bare Knuckle. Liverpool's own Darren the Gorilla Till goes to war with Cuban powerhouse Yoel Soldier of God Romero. Plus, the Bare Knuckle Middleweight Championship of the World is on the line when the reigning champ Dave the Redneck Mundell defends against undefeated British challenger Jack the Meek Pleaver Colon. BKFC 94. Till vs. Romero. Watch it live only on DAZN. Sign up now at DAZN.com. Andy and Anna here from your new favourite podcast, No Such Thing as a Fish. Yes, we are two of the four hosts of the podcast that stuffs fascinating, amazing, weird, mad facts into your ears on a weekly basis.

39:55You got any good facts, Andy? Yes, how about this one? Anteaters have evolved on 12 separate occasions. Wow. Mysterious, wonderful. The world really wants them to exist. What about this one? When Ronald Reagan left office, he left a note on the White House lawn for the squirrels, warning them to beware of George Bush's dogs. So there you go. If you like fascinating facts and much more besides, we are No Such Thing As A Fish. Saturday, September 26th, two of combat sports' most dangerous strikers collide. Bare Knuckle. Liverpool's own Darren the Gorilla Till goes to war with Cuban powerhouse Yoel Soldier God Romero.

40:32Plus, the bare-knuckle middleweight championship of the world is on the line when the reigning champ Dave the Redneck Mundell defends against undefeated British challenger Jack the Meek Cleaver Colon. BKFC 94, Till vs. Romero. Watch it live only on DAZN. Sign up now at DAZN.com. I wanted to talk about this hazing incident here because, again, I think we're overreacting to it. I just don't care. If college kids want to kill each other, folks, it's really the least of our problems. I wasn't in a frat. I dropped out of community college. I was in the real fraternity, which was the Brotherhood of Subprime Mortgage Salesmen on Long Island.

41:12And we didn't need to haze each other. We understood that we stood against a common enemy, which was the FBI. And that creates a bond as well.

41:22Tim Dillon:You know what creates a bond more than like putting ketchup on each other shirtless? Crime. Doing crime. I'm kidding. We weren't even doing crime. It was literally illegal. And most people were happy in those homes for a few years. And that's all you get in life. Well, who cares? You know, what are we doing? So play this video because there's a bunch of shirtless, pretty hot, young college guys in a basement. And this is some hazing ritual where, you know, you're trying to get into a frat and they put a bunch of mayonnaise on you or ketchup or something. and everyone's like horrified by this. And listen, whatever.

42:04Tim Dillon:It's childish. It's silly. It's whatever. I don't know. I feel like, you know, I, and everyone's like, everyone makes the point where they're like, listen, these guys are going to be the future leaders of America. Hey, maybe not. They're like, they're going to be the future leaders of America. Yeah, maybe, maybe not. The future leaders of America are going to be maybe robots.

42:32Tim Dillon:So this is, this looks like something I've paid$50 ,000 to come home to, by the way. It wouldn't cost 50, but maybe 10. What is, so now this is a bunch of young college guys in a basement. They're all being hazed. And I guess it's people are squirting stuff. All right, let's see the video a little bit of it. We're not going to watch the whole thing. anyone want to be forced coming on what's going on hey this stops here guys this is a police department this stops here the cops should have fucked all who's in charge the cops should have fucked every single one of them how hot would it have been how about we if the cops went in cleaning this up everyone if the cops went in and said now let's do it for real and shut the door and fucked all of them and cracked all of them open let me tell you right now you want to talk about camaraderie you want to talk about a night that bonds you forever by the way you know how people used to bond when they had terrible lives this is how me and all my friends used to bond by the way you'd be smoking a cigarette you go I have nothing and someone would go yeah me too and you just start laughing that's the way people used to bond you'd be smoking a blunt and you'd go I really don't have any money I have nothing going on and quite frankly nothing excites me and I don't care about anything.

44:01Tim Dillon:And someone will go, we have a quiz today. And you just start laughing. You go, dude, I am so fucked for that. That was bonding for the lower middle class. But I get it. This is Greek life. These are the frats. You do all this stuff and you're supposed to like, ooh, we're shirtless and we're getting ketchup on us. And supposedly this is supposed to bond us. No, no, no. Not enough for me. imagine this story how did you guys become such good friends well we were in the same frat we were being hazed in the basement and we would just stand there in some gym shorts and they would just throw ketchup and mayonnaise at us and stuff and you know make Russian dressing on our chest and they would yell at us they would get in our face and then the cops came and the cops closed the door and fucked all of us.

44:55Tim Dillon:Like hardcore, raw, punishing sex. Like no lube, no poppers, no prep, no eating yogurt the night before. Just messy, dirty, prison gang sex. And some of us cried, some of us liked it, Some of us were frankly in the middle. And that's why we're such good friends. And somebody will go, that's a crazy story. Did you see the Olympics? You see that girl broke her leg on the Olympics? She can't ski anymore. This girl we've never heard of can't ski now. But that would have done it for me. I mean, I think it's a little overreactive. Like people are like, I can't believe what they're like. But do you know what I've been through in my life?

45:54Tim Dillon:You know how much harder it is than that? You know how much more difficult it is to go through what I've been through than to stand for a night or two or a week, whatever, in a basement and get ketchup thrown at you? Do you understand? Do you understand what it's like to be at Thanksgiving and you have to defend your friendship with RFK Jr. You want to talk about hazing? I say, I think he's nice. I think him and his wife are nice.

46:37You know, I don't know.

46:39Tim Dillon:I don't think it's such a big deal, the hazing, but maybe it's because I'm a, I'm cishat. Well, I'm not hat. I'm cis gay. What do you call me? What do they call me? I'm not hat. Cis. Cis gay. Rich. Cis rich. Cis rich. White. Bitch. Cis rich. White bitch. By the way, those shirts are coming. Let's talk a little bit about Les Wexner here, friend of the show. Les Wexner is a entrepreneur He's an American success story He's a legend He created Victoria's Secret And he was swindled by Jeffrey Epstein I don't know if you've heard of this guy Jeffrey Epstein was a very dishonest man And Les Wexner, billionaire entrepreneur Was taken in and swindled by Jeffrey Epstein Because Jeffrey Epstein, Les Wexner hired Jeffrey Epstein to manage all of his money, his billions of dollars of money.

47:50Tim Dillon:Also, he gave him the largest private residence in Manhattan. And Les Wexner, I believe at one point, gave Jeffrey Epstein power of attorney. But he was really swindled. Like, I imagine this is how it went down. Now, Les Wexner, again, legendary entrepreneur, billionaire. you'd think maybe a guy that wouldn't be able to be swindled, but this is how it went down. Because I know this. I know how easy it is to cold call if you're good. So Jeffrey Epstein probably, yeah, Les Wexner tells US lawmakers he was naive and conned. So I want you to imagine Les Wexner, billionaire entrepreneur, the limited brands, all of that.

48:36Tim Dillon:Les Wexner is sitting at home and he gets a phone call and he probably answers his phone in Ohio. He's on a lead sheet. So when you sit down a cold call, there's lead sheets. Okay? So Jeffrey Epstein's really nervous. He gets the lead sheet. He goes, ooh, Les Wexner. This is the big whale. Let's call him. Hello? Hello. Now I'm going to, here's the thing. People are going to say to me, oh, you're doing a Jewish voice for this? And it's anti-Semitic. But here's reality. Epstein had this weird, creepy, childlike voice. It's not, I'm not trying to do anything here. I just gonna, I have to go through the bed without you telling me that it's whatever.

49:18Hello? Hello, it's Jeff, Jeff Epstein. Is this Les Wexner? Yes. Well, Les, I just wanted to give you a call. Are you happy with the people that are managing your money? Well, yes, I am. Thank you very much. I think I'll be going. Well, hold on. Hold on. Are you getting the returns you think you should get? Well, you could always get more returns. Yes, that's what I think. I'm Jeffrey Epstein. and we want to take your money and make your money work for you. We want to make your money work for you. You work for your money. Now, why doesn't your money work for you? That's a good point. What would I have to do?

50:13You give me all your money. Give me all your money. Give me a house. Let me have power of attorney and buy me a house in Manhattan. Well, that sounds reasonable. I'm a billionaire but you seem like a nice Gentle Now I'm doing a black voice for Les Wex

50:31Tim Dillon:I don't know what happens I don't mean that It's just hard It's like I'm drifting into like a black voice Here's what I'm trying to say Imagine the insanity of believing That Jeffrey Epstein has somehow conned This billionaire entrepreneur Into giving him all of his money does anyone believe that does anyone believe that Les Wexner who has an army of lawyers and accountants except the one that they shot you can google that that is true get up Les Wexner accountants shot me it's true and I'm sure he I'm sure it was an accident I'm sure it was an accident don't kill me yeah there's yeah there was a uh yeah someone put a bullet in Arthur Shapiro's head.

51:22Tim Dillon:He was the lawyer of Victoria's Secret billionaire Les Wexner. Now, I imagine that this is a coincidence. It happened many years ago, and people get shot in the head, and I'm sure this was a coincidence, and it was a mafia-style slaying. It's never been solved, and I'm sure they tried hard, but and I think he was about to testify. Go see if we can get a little bit more info on this, because I believe that this guy right, here we go. Arthur Shapiro was in trouble. The shy secretive lawyer, a partner in the Columbus, Ohio law firm of Schwartz, Shapiro, Kelman, Warren, was under investigation by the IRS for failing to file income tax returns for seven years and for possible investments in shady tax shelters.

52:00Tim Dillon:In March 1985, Shapiro was due to testify before a grand jury over his dodging and whether anyone had helped him hide the money. What he might reveal no one knew, but he and his firm and several high-profile clients had a long history in Columbus. But Arthur Shapiro never made it to the stand. And a day before scheduled testimony, somebody fired two bullets point blank into his head as he fled from a secretive breakfast meeting held in his red BMW at a Columbus cemetery. The mob saw murder has never been solved. Shapiro reportedly personally oversaw the account for The Limited, the clothing company owned by billionaire Les Wexner, whose empire also included popular brands like Lane Bryant, which is the clothing store for female fatty-boon-batties, where when I sometimes dress up like a Barry Weiss or a Meghan McCain or whatever, any of our ladies, I will head into Lane Bryant and still would like to, by the way, shout out to Les and the whole fam, Express, and of course, Victoria's Secret, neither Wexner or his communications team, they've declined to comment, blah, blah, blah.

52:59Tim Dillon:So anyway, so Les Wexner, who's surrounded by an army of lawyers and accountants, minus this guy who took a wanted head face, wanted head, and who knows why, life's random and weird. So this guy takes wanted head, It is. Can you predict life? You cannot. That's life. You think that's what he thought when he got banged in the head? That's life. You're riding high in April, shot down in May. But sometimes you're going to change your tune when you get shot in your face in June. Anyway, so Les Wexner is conned by Jeffrey. Jeffrey Epstein calls him up or I guess gets to him some way and goes, by the way, give me everything and I'll handle it.

53:51Tim Dillon:And then now Les Wexner is going, now this guy's a crook. And he preyed on people. I think that's so wrong to prey on people. So our heart goes out to Les Wexner, by the way, who is a victim. Les Wexner, friend of the show, victim of Jeffrey Epstein, another victim. I think we're going to find out that all of these billionaires are victims of Jeffrey Epstein. I think that's the turn we're about to make here. There's a lot of victims of Jeffrey, not only these women, but I think a lot of these billionaires and children, by the way, I think a lot of these billionaires were conned by Jeffrey Epstein into visiting this island or giving him a power of attorney.

54:40Tim Dillon:He's conned a lot of these people. you got to give it to somebody like Jeffrey Epstein. He's just a smooth talk. There was nothing, there's no other reason that those two would be in business. What other reason could you think about that a Les Wexner and a Jeffrey Epstein might find each other's company enjoyable? What other reason would one think? It's not that they were engaged in illicit activities like money laundering or sex trafficking or, you know, weapons trafficking and narco trafficking. It's none of that is true. Let's just rule that out. Let's rule that out immediately and imagine that it's just...

55:26Tim Dillon:Jeffrey Epstein's got a great pitch. He cold called him. He called him cold. Would you like your money to work for you? Well, yes, I would. Yes, I would. now play play the lawyer going I will fucking kill you if you say one more thing now by the way Yashar Ali who I think occasionally listens to the show is kind of an interesting I don't know he's a reporter of some kind he makes these kind of interesting points some of them are weird and I don't know if any like some of them are good and some of them are like I don't know what he says why he's saying it but whatever that's the way I'm sure people feel about me so yashir ali was basically like well yeah this is just something lawyers say which is probably true like i've i've had a lot of traffic problems you know my friend was never a human trafficker but i like drove with a suspended license and like my lawyer would be like just say just say the minimum just say the minimum so now here's les wexner talking about i believe jeffrey epstein working for the rothschild family and uh bill gates or google the heads of google right so So we're going to play this for you.

56:38Here's victim. Leslie Wexner, victim. Also a good friend of the show. But victim. Victim in Jeffrey Epstein's tangled web of lies. Here's Les Wexner, full victim,

56:58Tim Dillon:in Jeffrey Epstein's tangled web of lies. And I feel for Les Wexner because he's now dealing with the fact that his friend wasn't who he thought. That's the real...

57:16You gotta appreciate for a minute, you gotta just step back and think about how stupid they think you are. The contempt they have for you. The utter contempt they have for you as a human being and your intellectual ability, your gut instincts, your humanity. Like the contempt they have for you is funny. It is funny. Maybe some of you listening to this are parents. Probably a lot of you are. And when your children or your teenagers lie to you, as long as they're not lying about something crazy, but when they lie to you when they're late for their curfew and they lie to you and you kind of laugh because you go, oh, number one, they think I wasn't a kid.

58:06They don't understand that I can see right through them. They're not really good at this. They're not pulling one over on us. And you and your wife giggle about it. That to me is what we're watching now. It's like we're seeing some of the worst lies ever.

58:27Tim Dillon:like do you realize how much better the Iraq war was in terms of lies and those lies were bad like those lies were bad these lies are so incredibly insane Iran is gonna blow up your cat like Iran's gonna blow up your favorite coffee shop Iran's taking out the diner you get cheese fries in after the ball it's such the lies are so incredible there's zero effort going into the lies this guy's out here going i got conned by my best friend by the guy i worked with for decades i had no idea what he was up to i had no no idea and the trump administration's going out and going hey everyone's innocent in the thing that never happened that there's millions of files on that are incredibly disturbing and heinous.

59:27Tim Dillon:Also, there's files we won't release and we won't do any investigations into any of these allegations because they happened a long time ago and what would we even really do? And that's the current White House position is, well, now you know, now you know. There's no investigations, there's been no accountability, there's nothing happening. So the White House goes, you just wanted to know, you know. So now you know. Now you know. You feel better now? That's like kind of their attitude. They're like, you feel better now? Yeah, they're all fucking cans and killing them. You feel better? Now you know.

1:00:04Tim Dillon:So here's, let's go back to Leslie Wexner, who's wrestling with this deep betrayal from Jeffrey Epstein. I mean, this is a real human drama here. Because this guy hired Jeffrey Epstein to just manage his money, gave him power of attorney. Which, by the way, I don't know if you know what power of attorney means, but it means that Jeffrey Epstein controls everything. You know, like in the event of like Les Wexner is incapacitated or whatever. Jeffrey Epstein, if he has a stroke, whatever happens, Epstein controls like all of it. Because maybe Epstein knows where the bodies are buried. Metaphorically, I'm saying.

1:00:39Tim Dillon:So Les Wexner has this incredibly close business relationship with this man. And I imagine a personal relationship as well. And this guy, Jeffrey Epstein, turns out to be a money laundering human trafficker. And Les Wexner is completely caught off guard and he's blown away by this. He's blown away by this and it's shocking. And Epstein has intelligence connections to the CIA and to the Mossad and probably other intelligence agencies. And so he's like living in this weird world. He's like a spook. He's a money launderer. He's like, he's connected to all these different powerful people and he's running an operation that's a multifaceted operation that involves trafficking children, that involves making large sums of money disappear, that involves back-channeling with world leaders at the behest of current and former government employees, other world leaders, prime ministers, presidents.

1:01:42Tim Dillon:Ghislaine Maxwell's invited onto a 9-11 commission. All the files around 9-11 are blacked out. like they haven't released any of the files that are anywhere near 9-11 that involved Jeffrey Epstein, any of these Epstein files. They literally say that there are certain files they don't want out because national security sources and methods. And the scam there is basically saying, well, if we put out these files, other countries will know how we get information, who our sources were, and the methods we used. And so we can't have that because then we'd be... Now, number one, mind you. And we rely much less now on human intelligence.

1:02:24Tim Dillon:We rely a lot on satellite intelligence and tech and everything like that. That's why Teal and Palmer Luckey and all these guys are getting huge contracts with the government. It's because the future of warfare and intelligence gathering, like the future of all things, is very tech-centric. So the idea of like the spy sitting in Morocco having coffee, that's still a thing. They're still human intelligence, but it's a very interesting sell to go. So these sources and methods that we used 20, 30 years ago, a lot of them were, so when we compiled these files, we don't want to let them out because then people would know how we, and it's a big lie.

1:03:06Tim Dillon:Sources and methods is a lie. You can release stuff without sources and methods. It's a lie. It's again, it's just saying we don't want to put it out because you're going to start talking about what the hell, what was 9-11? Because no one even knows what it was, by the way. No one knows what it was. There's a belief that Osama bin Laden, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, Al-Qaeda, which was, you know, it was kind of, it was a group that ran weapons to a lot of, you know, other, you know, dissident groups and stuff like that. And that they had hatched this plot and they had hatched it at a meeting in Kuala Lumpur, which was, by the way, heavily surveilled by a lot of intelligence services.

1:03:54Tim Dillon:And we should have known about this plot at some point. And then, you know, Khalid Amindar and Ahazmian, all these hijackers that were allowed into America and they were being surveilled. But the FBI never told the CIA about that because there was a wall between the FBI and the CIA, which did exist. But, you know, it does seem like an important piece of information. And some of these people were trained in American flight schools. And then some of these people were victims of mistaken identity. And it turns out that some of the hijackers we thought were hijackers weren't exactly hijackers. And no one knows why Building 7 fell.

1:04:32Tim Dillon:And nobody knows why there's a tiny hole in the wall of the Pentagon. And again, you have to just dance around with logic. You just have to dance around and go, well, you know, this is the way things happen. and, you know, technically a plane could fly at that rate of speed, very low to the ground for a long time and not clip any light poles or not clip anything and have nobody really see it and then go into the Pentagon and then go through four solid walls of steel and then punch out a little hole, whatever. At Building 7, actually, there were fires in Building 7 that were burning all day because of debris from the other falling buildings and it went, whatever.

1:05:07Tim Dillon:And, you know, there's a lot of people that think it is bunk. to be honest. They think there's something there. There's something wrong. There's something weird about it. But all of the Epstein files around 9-11 are blacked out. Now, of course, I don't know what happened on 9-11. Nobody knows what happened on 9-11. We haven't read any of the files. We just, there's a lot of people, including myself, who doubt that the official story is what we're being told. And people tried to find more out about this. There was a Senator Graham, Phil Graham from Florida. I believe his name is Phil Graham. Yeah.

1:05:38Tim Dillon:And I think Senator Graham, it might've been Bob Graham. Get up Senator Florida 9-11 Graham. I just don't want to say it was the wrong Graham. And this guy was trying to find out. Yeah, Senator Bob Graham. So this guy was trying to find out more about 9-11, the Saudi connection, whatever. He was trying to dig deeper into 9-11 and he kept getting shut down and he kept getting threatened by the FBI. They were like, hey, buddy, hey, Bob. Bob. I love that name because that's exactly how they called him. They were like, Bob. Bob, what are you doing? Because he didn't understand. He was like, I'm just trying to get information here.

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1:06:56Andy and Anna here from your new favourite podcast, No Such Thing as a Fish. Yes, we are two of the four hosts of the podcast that stuffs fascinating, amazing, weird, mad facts into your ears on a weekly basis. You got any good facts, Andy? Yes, how about this one? Anteaters have evolved on 12 separate occasions. Wow. Mysterious. Wonderful. The world really wants them to exist. What about this one? When Ronald Reagan left office, he left a note on the White House lawn for the squirrels, warning them to beware of George Bush's dogs. So there you go. If you like fascinating facts and much more besides, we are no such thing as a fish.

1:07:38Tim Dillon:So there's a lot in these files and it's fucking weird. And anyone who says it's not weird, I don't know. It's crazy. So here's Les Wexner again, victim of Jeffrey Epstein, caught in a tangled web of lies, faced to confront the fact that his best friend, business partner, was some type of con artist, human trafficker, money launderer. Here it is, Les Wexner.

1:08:13Let's see a little bit more of what he says here. I'm giving you a long answer, but to understand in context, Because if I just say yes or no, you won't understand it. Right. I really want this whole group to understand it.

1:08:31And I never would have guessed I was being conned. Right. Never, ever. Right. The deceit was so subtle. Yes. It's sad. It's sad. This is sad.

1:08:44Tim Dillon:I'm sure we all appreciate the stories. We're just trying to answer questions. Don't tell too many stories. helpful thank you stop with the stories and could i ask you i think you said in the last hour it was your understanding that mr epstein while he was working for you also had other clients is that right yes so would that mean that his work for you you understood it to be part-time

1:09:12right think think think think don't say he's full-time don't say he's full-time i wouldn't describe it that way. Right. Don't describe it as part-time. I knew it was in full-time. Right. I thought it was in full-time. That's right. Good.

1:09:24Tim Dillon:That's right. It's not full-time you. I have substance. That's right. Substance. As a listener, it sounds like substantial demands that you're describing. We all got caught. You were and, of course, are one of the wealthiest people in the country managing all of your personal affairs. What does that mean? I can't get conned? Pause that. Pause that. Pause that. Just because I'm one of the wealthiest people in the country, I can't have my friend let me down in a major way? My friend let me down in a major way. Like, wait, just because I'm rich, I shouldn't, I am not allowed to have my friend let me down in a major way.

1:09:58Tim Dillon:I'm not allowed to be sad that my accountant got shot in the face randomly. I'm not allowed to be sad that my accountant got shot in the head. I'm not allowed to be sad that my best friend turned out to be a human trafficker and it was stealing money just because I'm rich. That, folks, is classism and it's wrong. Rich people bleed. Rich people hurt. Truly, it's not right. I'm going to put my foot down here. I actually am. The abuse of this billionaire in front of us, making him have this realization in front of everyone that he's been so taken advantage of by his best friend, Jeffrey Epstein. This guy is so befuddled and hurt.

1:10:47Tim Dillon:He doesn't even know whether Epstein worked for him full-time. He doesn't think it was full-time. He wouldn't characterize it as that. But that's how hurt this man is. Because emotions are odd things. You know, I saw my parents get divorced. And of course, it's different because they shared a child. I don't think these men shared a child. They might have shared several. Here's the thing. That's comedy, folks. But, you know, what I'm saying here, and it's horrible, obviously. jail, jail, killing, death, guillotine, whatever, you know, when we find this stuff out, but not for him because he strikes me as innocent.

1:11:20I could be a poor judge of character, but just his face here, he's so, number one, he's very, I like how forthcoming he is going, I'm gonna, I want you to understand the answers, but my lawyer's telling me not to answer the questions.

1:11:39Tim Dillon:So I have to answer them in like five words or less or yes or no, because this is a legal thing. I want to tell you stories and kind of like get into the nitty gritty here, but my lawyer has advised me to just answer yes or no. And then really we're going to leave here and, and, and really think about what we're doing. But I, I, I desperately want to tell you more about this betrayal. Let's hear a little bit more here about this betrayal. And with sounds like that was an issue with the guy before Epstein. How was he able to do that job, but also do work for other clients at the same time? Well, I think Peg does the work now.

1:12:28I think you could supervise the work. Right. Overview it. Right. Which isn't the work that I do. Right. And so you could do really thorough work if you were doing it three or four days a month, certainly a week or a day a month, just focusing on these things because there were accountants and tax lawyers and other people. And then what's in setting up as an example, I wouldn't have the idea to inventory furniture or valuables. Look at the lawyer. By the way, the lawyer, the lawyer, stop it for a minute. The lawyer is looking at him and the lawyer is saying, I'm telling you right now, stop talking.

1:13:23The lawyer is like, Les, you can't talk because the more you talk, the more obvious it's going to be that you're incredibly guilty here. So don't talk because on its face, the idea that this guy was just swindled by Jeffrey Epner has no idea what's going on. It's completely insane. It's completely insane. And everyone with any IQ above 12 knows this, okay? The dumbest people in the world know this. In fact, dumb people get this stuff actually sometimes better than smart people. Very interesting. If you talk to somebody who went to Yale about this case, and by the way, I'm not saying that like working class people are dumb.

1:14:17I was going to use the example, like if you go to a diner and talk to a diner waitress, and I'm not saying she's dumb, but like the people that we've decided are smart

1:14:25Tim Dillon:versus the people that we, and I'm sure that the people at Yale, obviously have high IQ people, they're whatever, They're really good at test taking and their whole lives, they've been bred for Yale. But if you went to a diner in Wisconsin and you told a diner waitress this story, she would be more correct than someone who went to Yale. Because someone who went to Yale would be focusing usually on a lot of the wrong things. and somebody who went to Yale would have a very tough time with any of the elements of this that seemed conspiratorial. They'd have a real hard time. They'd go, I just don't think things work that way.

1:15:14I just don't think it happens that way. I just don't think it works that way. I just think that that's a little convenient. I just think, and a diner waitress in Wisconsin would go, yeah, no, they're in cahoots. She'd go there in cahoots. It's obvious they're in cahoots. That's all she'd have to say, and she'd be correct. Because she, your gut instincts can be destroyed sometimes by a, like, overly,

1:15:56like an overly

1:16:01cerebral approach to things can sometimes destroy your gut instincts. You might feel a certain way,

1:16:08Tim Dillon:but you might have to, when you're analyzing it, you might be considering all of these different options and then giving weight in your head to options that you know in your gut are either less likely to be true or are not true. so when I've talked about this stuff with people the people on the upper echelon of society that have gone to these schools and have been in the circles of supposedly the smart set the chattering class the people that are intelligent they're looking at this in a cerebral way going well it's actually not the thing that's right in front of your face it could be 10 things.

1:16:53Tim Dillon:They don't discount that it could be the thing that's right in front of your face, but they go, but it also could be those other nine things. And you go, could it? Could it? Maybe. Let's watch the rest of this. Let's watch. Solar wear in your house. I didn't count forks and spoons. Right. Just so people could be walking out with forks and spoons. Right. Now stop that. Stop that. Here's folks, folks, folks, folks, folks, folks, folks.

1:17:23The CEO of Victoria's Secret just said that Les Wexner said that Jeffrey Epstein was telling him to inventory furniture and forks and spoons because people might be leaving Les Wexner's house with forks and spoons. He just said this. He just said this. he said you know Jeffrey was I want you to play this again to go back a few seconds this is something that's truly remarkable I want you to hear this again this is the CEO of Victoria's Secret claiming that Epstein who he hired to manage all of his money had alerted him to the danger that if you didn't inventory forks and spoons because Les Wexner said I don't count forks.

1:18:14Tim Dillon:By the way, neither do I, Les. We have something in common. It's your boy. We have something in common because I've never counted forks and you could come to my house and steal forks and I would never know. Just putting it out there. Thiefs. I want you to hear this again because at first glance, it seems insane. But think about it. It makes a lot of sense. A guy like Les Wexner has to protect himself from fork theft. Understand? So that's where Jeffrey Epstein came in. Even his lawyers looking at him like, well, this is an odd example. Even his lawyers like, this is why we got to keep it to five less, five words or less because now we're like, you're talking about forks and knives and spoons.

1:19:03Tim Dillon:Less Wexner on what Jeffrey Epstein did for him. Let's go. How could you have all silverware in your house? I didn't count forks and spoons. And it's like, Jeff said, people could be walking out with forks and spoons. Gee, that's a good idea. We ought to have an inventory. But then there was a, I hired a lady to be like the house manager who had run the U.S. embassy in Rome and said, yeah, I know how to do this. And I said, hold on, hold on a minute. Hold on a minute. I have a house manager. This guy just said he hired a house manager who ran the U.S. embassy in Rome. what is going on in your house?

1:19:46My house manager is from Queens. She screams at me and we fight about tile. She buys lamps I don't like and I make her take them back. We have a party every summer in the Hamptons and we get in fights with local caterers and we hire a Carvel truck to come. This man, who does have a nicer home than me, for sure, This guy, this guy just said he hired a house manager who managed the U.S. embassy in Rome. I feel that she might be overqualified. But again, we can get rid of him. I do appreciate his, him, him.

1:20:35Tim Dillon:I do appreciate him being honest because I feel that that really is what we need more of in this story we need more of honesty and when a man like that is swindled it's very simple he hired Jeffrey Epstein Epstein's like we gotta start inventorying the furniture the knives and forks people could be stealing your silverware and Les Waxer's like well that's what a good thought I'd never thought that here's all of my money let me give you power of attorney over literally all of my assets because you came up with this what a brilliant i'd never thought that billionaires face that kind of silverware threat but they do but do you see why the lawyer's like we can't even talk you can't even say anything that's more than five words the lawyer knows how crazy the lies are les wex just not had to lie in a long time.

1:21:31Tim Dillon:His lies are crazy. He's like, well, Jeff said, you know, how many spoons do you have? I don't know how many spoons I have. People are walking out with spoons and these are silver spoons. They're heavy. When you put them on the teacup, you hear the clink. This is real silver. And Jeff came to me and said, what about the forks? Less, what about the forks? And I went, right, right. And he said, why don't you hire the woman who ran the U.S. Embassy in Rome to manage the silverware? And I said, this is a great idea. For this tip, I'm going to give you all of my money now.

1:22:16Tim Dillon:And then he purchased Jeffrey Epstein, the largest private residence in Manhattan. And you know why? Because forks are a lot of fucking money. And Jeff saved him money in forks and spoons. Jeff saved him a lot of forks and spoons. Before we leave, it's been a very fun episode and I'm sorry it's late, but before we leave, we have to get up. My other new best friend, not my new white black guy who I love, but my other new best friend is my Indian friend, Kash Patel. And I love Kash Patel, number one, because of his character, but number two, because of his commitment to justice.

1:23:01Tim Dillon:Dan Bongino and Cash Patel, it's from the very great Shadows of Ezra account here. Cash Patel and Dan Bongino have decided to have a podcast, like they're going to do, they're doing a podcast because Dan Bongino left the FBI and is now doing a podcast again. And Cash Patel is back on his podcast

1:23:26and here we go.

1:23:27Tim Dillon:Let's just let it speak for itself. I don't know if you can even set this up. Dan Bongino, Cash Patel, friends of the show, here describing how difficult it is to cover up a pedophile rig. Let's go. Everything's a level 10 decision, Cash. A level 10 meaning there's a, pardon the language, but a shitty decision and a shittier one. Because if there was a good decision to be made, someone else made it. And then when those decisions, that's every day. I know you know this because I would knock under your door and you'd be like, what now? And I'd be like, here we go again. Like something else will come up.

1:23:58But I just want to put into perspective for folks out there, when that decision can't even be made by me, it goes to you. When it doesn't go to you, it goes like to the president's desk. He's dealing with like level 11 decisions. And that's the thing in D.C. is that's why the batting average isn't always going to be a thousand. There's no good call to be made or someone else would have made it. There's just really tough decisions where, you know, there's a shit call and a shittier call. And listen, that's what we signed up for. That's how it rolls. Look, yeah, these are difficult decisions, Dan.

1:24:29That's why you volunteered to jump back in. It wasn't just going to be, hey, we're going to do this job. It's going to be super easy. We're not going to have to make any hard decisions. And we're not going to have to combat a press corps that has largely been biased and full of inaccurate reporting. But we made those decisions collectively in the best interest of the nation. And if we hadn't, then none of this would be true. None of this would be possible. If President Trump had made the hard decisions to allow us and give us the resources that we need and to back the blue in law enforcement and to prioritize working with state and local authorities, then we wouldn't be able to do what we did.

1:25:07But you're right. We had a lot of hard decisions. That comes with the territory of the job. but once you look outside of the cauldron of Washington, D.C., and this is one of the things that I'm trying to remind myself of every day. Outside of here, there is a different America than the one that lives in the national capital region. And I try to remind myself every day when making those difficult decisions that you talked about that we make on a daily basis. Stop it for a minute. What the fuck are these people talking about?

1:25:38What in God's name are these two people talking about? Can anyone even venture a guess at this point? They make Les Wexner look like an open book. What are these two ghouls talking about? What in the fuck are they talking about? Resources, decisions, outside of D.C., there's people that live outside of D.C.? Yeah. That's what he learned? Two years running, a year running the FBI, he learned that people live outside of the state of Virginia? This is what he learned? Did he learn that there's a population outside of the District of Columbia? That's all he learned. I mean, this is like the craziest thing I've ever heard.

1:26:49I realized that there were people that live outside of the capital city? Yeah. Actually, this is going to shock him. Most people. And they also hate him.

1:27:03Does he think he's beloved when he gets out of D.C.? I mean, this guy's out of his mind. Does this guy think the problem's geography? Does he think when he leaves D.C., people think this has gone well? Does he think the problem's a zip code issue? Does he think confidence in his leadership builds once he's outside of the beltway? What are these people speaking of? timdilloncomedy.com. You have shows on sale in Long Island and Jersey. Three shows sold out at Paramount. I believe close to sold out. There are some tickets left. Mother's Day weekend. Bring your mothers out. Long Island women really deserve a break.

1:27:47You know, they work so damn hard. They work so damn hard drinking and complaining. also a couple of shows in Jersey Atlantic City and Bergen or something maybe we're going to announce some too for South by Southwest it might be fun to go down there to Austin, Texas greatest city in the country actually why not spend a weekend there in Austin spend a night there, a night or two nothing crazy we always appreciate you listening we're sorry it's late I think it's worth it and let's all Let's all really remember that let's take a lesson from Les Wex. Our friends may let us down. They may let us down.

1:28:35And I would just, as an audience, I would just like to thank you for giving me the resources to make the tough decisions. Every decision we make here on the Tim Dillon Show is a nine. And some of them are an 11. Some of them are a 9-11. Redacted. We don't know. Three months. No emails. But I just want to let you know that you give me the authority to make the hard decisions

1:29:03Tim Dillon:and you give me the resource. Because if I didn't have the resources to make the decisions, then someone might be walking out of my house with forks. Good night. Andy and Anna here from your new favorite podcast. No Such Thing As A Fish. Yes, we are two of the four hosts of the podcast that stuffs fascinating, amazing, weird, mad facts into your ears on a weekly basis. You got any good facts, Andy? Yes, how about this one? Anteaters have evolved on 12 separate occasions. Wow. Mysterious, wonderful. The world really wants them to exist. What about this one? When Ronald Reagan left office, he left a note on the White House lawn for the squirrels warning them to beware of George Bush's dogs.

1:29:52So there you go. If you like fascinating facts and much more besides, we are No Such Thing As A Fish.

1:30:00Andy and Anna here from your new favourite podcast, No Such Thing As A Fish. Yes, we are two of the four hosts of the podcast that stuffs fascinating, amazing, weird, mad facts into your ears on a weekly basis. You got any good facts, Andy? Yes, how about this one? Anteaters have evolved on 12 separate occasions. Wow. Mysterious. Wonderful. The world really wants them to exist. What about this one? When Ronald Reagan left office, he left a note on the White House lawn for the squirrels, warning them to beware of George Bush's dogs. So there you go. If you like fascinating facts and much more besides, we are No Such Thing as a Fish.