493 - The Palantir Manifesto & My Manifesto

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29:13Tim Dillon:I am ashamed at my behavior when it comes to Palantir. They're a company like any other. They're a company like any other. What's a good company? a nice small company, the old ice cream parlor in town. Oh, it's ice cream day for the kids. It's weekend ice cream. Oh, I love that little business, that corner old, that old ice cream parlor. We bring the kids on Friday nights. Get the sprinkles, get the foot. What's the difference between that place and Palantir? Really, when you think about it, nothing. hard-working people providing the community a service let's go through this manifesto point by point maybe there's some stuff i number one silicon valley owes a moral debt to the country that made its rise possible the engineering elite of silicon valley has an affirmative obligation to participate in the defense of the nation okay now i don't know what that means and no one else does so that's one of those things where someone writes it they have an idea of what it means and you're not supposed to.

30:18Tim Dillon:So point one in the Palantir's 22 commandments is Silicon Valley owes a debt to the country. They have to participate in the defense of the nation. Okay. Are we doing a lot of defense? It seems very offensive to me. It feels very offensive. we are on the offense a lot of the time but let's just stipulate that maybe we partially agree with that that yes Silicon Valley should participate in the defense of the country and by defense we mean offense I don't know okay number two we must rebel against the tyranny of the apps is the iPhone our greatest creative if not crowning achievement as a civilization the object has changed our lives but it may also be limiting and constraining our sense of the possible okay now by the way you got to realize when it's like this is palantir so it's by the way it's not like someone could make that point and say like we need more community theater and you'd be like, you know what I mean?

31:38Tim Dillon:Like get off your phones and go outside, take a walk. That's not what they mean. That's not what they mean. The tyranny of the apps means we don't really like these things. Everybody's on popping shit about us all day. That's what they mean about this tyranny. Yeah. Hey, we don't like, we don't love these apps. Everybody keeps running their mouth. Who's this fucking idiot with the snuffleupagus running his mouth about us. We don't like this. Everybody's on these iPhones forming opinions about us. Not cool. Free email is not enough. The decadence of a culture or civilization or indeed its ruling class will be forgiven only if that culture is capable of delivering economic growth and security for the public.

32:18Okay, no problem with that.

32:21Tim Dillon:As it's stated, what does that mean? We don't know. The limits of soft power or soaring rhetoric Of soaring rhetoric alone have been exposed The ability of free and democratic societies to prevail Requires something more than moral appeal It requires hard power And hard power in this century will be built on software This is one of the most important things in their manifesto Here's what they're saying People, we used to be able to influence the world With different kinds of power One of them was soft power cultural, the appeal of the American culture, owning a house. I have a backyard. I have children.

33:00Look at me. I'm on a vacation. I have a standard of living. And Palitzer is going, that's all going away. Nobody's going to want to be like you anymore because your lives are going to be terrible. So nobody around the world is going to want to aspire to the American way of life. We're not going to be able to influence the world by saying, here's our culture. Here's how we do it. Doesn't this look good? We're losing the ability to do that. So in order for us to prevail now, we have to build an army and that army is going to be, is going to be robotic. It'll be drones. It'll be software based. So hard power is going to be software.

33:41So that's how we win now. We don't win by exporting our music, our entertainment, because, you know, we can barely do that anymore. And we can't, and we certainly, people, nobody in Norway is like, I wish I lived in America.

33:57Tim Dillon:Like, so the fact that that's dying means that we're now just going to have to have a massive Mordor-like defense machinery focused on high-tech killing machines. and that's how we're going to prevail. The question is not whether AI weapons will be built. Well, how lovely. That's nice. It is who will build them and for what purpose. Our adversaries will not pause to indulge in theatrical debates about the merits of developing technologies with critical military national security implications. They will proceed. Here's what Palantir is saying with this, by the way, with all of these things. They're saying we are the actual government.

34:45You don't realize it now, but we are the actual government. We are your government. These congressmen and senators, the people that go on real time with Bill Maher, they don't even understand what we're doing. They don't matter. And we couldn't even explain it to them if we tried. So basically, whether you like it or not, we're the government. And if you don't like us, China's building these weapons. Palantir's not wrong. China is building these weapons. But Palantir is basically saying, whether you like it or not, we are the government. Us and companies like us are going to be making the decisions about the future.

35:21Your lives will be determined by us. They're not going to be determined by Marjorie Taylor Greene. They're not going to be determined by Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez. They're going to be determined by the systems that we build. And we are going to build them. And that is the truth. And this is why they're coming out with a manifesto. Okay? National service should be a universal duty. We should, as a society, seriously consider moving away from an all-volunteer force and only fight the next war if everyone shares in the risk and the cost. So what Palander is saying here is we need to move into, become a warlike society.

36:02We need to be a warlike Spartan society. Everybody should be doing national service. We're going to get into wars. We're going to get into a lot of wars. And a lot of people are going to die. And that's just that. A peaceful era is not a possibility. We're not going to let it be a possibility. And these conflicts between these great powers are inevitable. And everybody's got to join the military. And a lot of people have to die. And that is point number six, by the way. Point number six. We're only six. We're only six in. There's 22. Again, we want to give them a fair shake because they seem like nice people.

36:47The thing about Palintern is they seem like nice people.

36:52So, isn't it Alex Karpu said,

36:54Tim Dillon:I was too poor to have a girlfriend and now I'm too rich to have one? What a human thing. So, you know, I don't know why we wouldn't listen to childish, childless tech billionaires who love Satan. And I guess Peter Tills adopted kids, so I'm not trying to say he doesn't have kids. I'm sure it's a happy family. And not because they're gay either. I'm not saying gay people can't be good parents. I'm saying that, you know, I don't know. Dad's going on about Satan again. Might get a little old. Number seven, if a U.S. Marine asks for a better rifle, we should build it, And the same goes for software.

37:34We should, as a country, be capable of continuing a debate about the appropriateness of military action abroad while remaining unflinchingly in our commitment to those we have asked to step into harm's way. Public servants need not be our priests. Any business that compensated its employees in the way the federal government compensates public servants would struggle to survive. So here's what they're saying. Public servants, we're phasing them out.

37:59Tim Dillon:We don't really need them. We don't want them. We don't like the government. We don't like regulations. We don't like any check on our power. We feel very uncomfortable with anybody trying to limit the things we are trying to do. We should show far more grace towards those who have subjected themselves to public life. The eradication of any space for forgiveness, a jet-sitting of any tolerance for the complexities and contradictions of the human psyche may leave us with a cast of characters at the helm we will grow to regret. Again, standard, weird, okay? It's like, what? Then they're like, and everyone's in the military now, and we're all dead.

38:35You're like, wait, hold on. The psychologicalization of modern politics is leading us astray. Those who look to the political arena to nourish their soul and a sense of self, who rely too heavily on their internal life, finding expression in people they may never meet, will be left disappointed. Okay, now they're really starting to reveal themselves. And here's what they mean by this. stop asking for your government to do things for you. We don't want that. That is not their job. You're not supposed to put demands on the people you've elected to do things for you. We're going to decide how you live and if you live.

39:20So stop putting all of your hopes into. So by the way, it's like that's so psychotic. Think of this. Ready? those who look to the political arena to nourish their soul by the way is anyone doing that

39:33Tim Dillon:i mean i'm sure some psychopaths are doing that but like is that a widespread thing but that's not really the fun sentence here's the fun sentence who rely too heavily on their internal life finding a expression in people they may never meet So are they basically saying you can't expect something from a politician you've never met? You can't put any faith in a politician you've never met? You can't have a sense of, you know, like ownership over a government or a politician in the sense that like you demand accountability from them? Very strange. Our society has grown too eager to hasten and is often gleeful at the demise of its enemies.

40:29The vanquishing of an opponent is a moment to pause, not rejoice. The atomic age is ending. One age of deterrence, the atomic age is ending. And a new era of deterrence built on AI is set to begin.

40:42Tim Dillon:No other country in the history of the world has advanced progressive values more than this one. The United States is far from perfect. But it is easy to forget how much opportunity exists in the country for those who are not hereditary elites. than in any other nation on this planet. Right, but also every year there seems to be less and less and less and less opportunity. So they're basically like, join the military. Stop asking politicians for help. Stop asking people you've elected for health care or to fulfill any of their promises. You've never even met them. American power has made possible an extraordinarily long peace.

41:22Tim Dillon:Too many have forgotten or perhaps taken for granted that nearly a century of some version of peace has prevailed in the world without a great military power conflict. At least three generations, billions of people and their children and now grandchildren have never known a world war. And what Palatios basically saying is, and that's going to change. That is going to change. Oh, you're going to know a world war. The post-war neutering of Germany and Japan must be undone. The defanging of Germany was an overcorrection for which Europe is now paying a heavy price. a similar and highly theatrical commitment to Japanese pacifism will have maintained also threatened to shift the balance of power in Asia.

41:57Tim Dillon:Some points to those. We should applaud those who attempt to build where the market has failed to act. A culture almost snickers at Musk's interest in grand narrative as if billionaires ought to simply stay in their lane of enriching themselves. Well, that's also what he's doing. Any curiosity or genuine interest in the value of what he has created is essentially dismissed or perhaps lurks from beneath a thinly veiled scorn. So here's what he's basically saying. If you're sitting home and you don't have a job and you don't have any money and you don't know how to pay your rent, and we're out here talking about mining asteroids, get on board.

42:33Tim Dillon:Shut up. If you can't be happy for that, if you can't see how mining asteroids for platinum helps you, then we don't really want to, you got to get on board. You got to get on board. This is a global mission. as if billionaires should only just enrich themselves instead of trying to take over the entire universe. Why should billionaires stay in their lane and enrich themselves and try to colonize other planets and dominate space? Why the hell should we stay in this dump of a planet that we've all ruined? Silicon Valley must play a role in addressing violent crime. Oh, here we go. Here it is. Here it is.

43:14Tim Dillon:Many politicians across the United States have essentially shrugged when it comes to violent crime, abandoning any serious efforts to address the problem. Agree on that. Or take any risk with their constituencies or donors in coming up with solutions and experiments and experiments in what should be a desperate bid to save lives. So here's what they're doing. They're basically saying, hey, we have technology. And when you read about some of this technology, it's predicting who's going to commit crime. Okay? It's identified pre-crime. There's all these things that, you know, Whitney Webb came on my show years ago to talk about.

43:47Tim Dillon:There's all these models of criminals that they're building. There's going to be, it's going to be a cradle to the grave surveillance state where you are going to be surveilled on every medium, in every capacity, in every way. They're going to build predictive models on your behavior. And if you're in a high risk category for crime, there's ways to get rid of crime, by the way, Without Palantir, we did it in the 90s in New York. People do it all over the place. Crime is actually kind of low. If you provide people economic opportunities, if you have a well-funded, well-trained police force, if you have public spaces that are kept up, all of these things are important.

44:31Tim Dillon:If you enforce the law and you don't, you know, if you don't let large homeless encampments become open-air drug markets, all of these things can help. But what Palantir, they're not talking about any of that. Be very clear. They're not talking about, you know, getting homeless people off the streets or making sure the police are funded and trained and capable. They're talking about predictive models of criminal behavior based on AI analysis of all of the things that you've ever said or done. Woo! That's what they're talking about. They're not talking about a couple more cops. They're not talking about that.

45:09Tim Dillon:They're talking about an entirely new way to think about crime, who's going to commit it, why they commit it, and predictive models, this is where they're going. The ruthless exposure of the private lives of public figures drives far too much talent away from government service, the public arena, and the shallow and petty assaults against those who dare to do something other than enrich themselves. By the way, is that what public life is? Is that what public life is if you're a politician? You're not trying to enrich yourself? Does anyone, are they, what is, I don't accept the premise. Are we to believe that all these people that are going into public life are selfless and they're not trying to enrich themselves at all?

45:49Tim Dillon:Barack Obama has a mansion on Martha's Vineyard. Trump is literally doing an event to pump a fucking meme coin. Some like scam meme coin that's failing. And it's like dropped 80 % in value. And Trump's literally doing a meme coin. And he's not trying to enrich himself. There's so much insider trading in Congress. it's absurd. Nancy Pelosi is a centimillionaire. None of these people are trying to enrich themselves. They all went into public life because of lives of self-sacrifice. Complete lie. It's fake. The public arena and the shallow and petty assaults against those who dare to do something other than enrich themselves has become so unforgivingly that the republic is left with a significant roster of ineffectual empty vessels.

46:31His ambition, one would forgive

46:33Tim Dillon:if there were any genuine belief structure lurking within. What they're basically saying is that people are far too critical of people that go into public life. So it drives away a lot of the billionaire psychopaths who would want to do it. So a lot of the people with skeletons in their closet who spent their lives destroying other people who that might be uncovered and reported. those people should not feel any way about getting into politics because the press should stand down. So number 18 basically is like, hey, man, the press should kind of stand down. Let us do what we want. Stop. You know, the caution in public life that we unwittingly encourage is corrosive.

47:25Tim Dillon:Those who say nothing wrong often say nothing much at all. Okay, great. the pervasive intolerance of religious belief in certain circles must be resisted. The elite's intolerance of religious belief is perhaps one of the most telling signs of his political. By the way, these people want to live forever. They believe in, what do they believe in? What are they talking about? Wrapping tech in Christianity is one of the funniest things. And you have to be so stupid. You have to be one of the dumbest people in the world. All of these people want to live forever. They want to merge with AI. They want to become robots.

47:59Tim Dillon:That's where's that in the Bible? They don't believe in any religion other than an element of control, because here's the reality. You're not getting a life-extending technology. They're telling you you're joining the military. You're going to go die in the South China Sea. You're not going to live till 150. That's what they're going to do. You're not getting all the biohacking benefit. You're not getting any of that. So what they're basically saying is like, We need to wrap this in some type of Christian belief system because America is largely a Christian country. And if we tell people that God wants this and that you can't question God and that God wants more AI and God wants more humanoid robots, that's what God wants.

48:51Tim Dillon:He wants humanoid robots and AI and he wants me to live forever and he wants me to build a bunker. God wants me to build a disaster bunker in Hawaii. That's what God wants. So as soon as that, that's the whole game here. You have to be a moron to not see that. God wants this. God wants me to live in an underground bunker. That's what God, if Jesus was alive, if he came back, he'd be living in an underground bunker with an army of drones and humanoid robots. If you like YouTube, you'll love YouTube Premium. It's destroying athlete, creator, and YouTube Maxer. YouTube Premium enhances how I use YouTube with awesome features like offline downloads so I can download my favorite training videos before I hit the gym.

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52:42Tim Dillon:all cultures are now equal criticism and value judgment are forbidden yet this new dogma glosses over the fact that certain cultures and indeed subcultures have produced wonders others have produced middling and worse regressive and harmful sure okay we must resist in the shallow temptation of a vacant and hollow pluralism we in america and more broadly the rest west have for the past half century resisted defining national cultures in the name of inclusivity but inclusion of what Okay, there you go. 22 points of pounds here. What they're basically saying, and some of this is understandable, but what they're basically saying is in order to get to where we need to go, we need a cultural nationalist identity that we're going to wrap all of this in a package.

53:34AI, Christianity, nationalism. We're going to wrap it in a package. We're going to merge these seemingly disparate ideologies into one thing so that we can sell it to you. So what seems to be happening is this is my call. This is what I'm saying. I don't know if I'm right, but I'm literally. And by the way, when someone puts this on the news, make sure you leave out the I don't know if I'm right and then just put the rest of it on. But if you look at the elites, they're not a monolith per se. There's lots of different parts of the world where lots of different, you know, for example, Russia and China have different interests than the United States and Britain.

54:16We all get that. Pretty obvious. One world seems to be dying. That is the world of, you know, they talk about it briefly where they talk about nuclear deterrence, the unipolar American moment, America being the sole superpower. Um, supranational organizations like NATO, the European Union. This world was largely a post-World War II creation. America, the dollar being the reserve currency, central bankers setting monetary policy all over the world. All of this kind of growing out of an Eastern elite out of the United States. you know also in the UK where you had a world order created and built around the idea of these organizations that were kind of corporate in their nature these groups to counsel on foreign relations trilateral groups all these people talk about all these different groups that create a consensus amongst the wealthiest and most powerful people in the United States, Britain, Europe and now that we have countries like China you have countries like India the unipolar moment is over you have Russia has now built itself up you have a lot of different competing ideologies and you have the BRICS nations Brazil, Russia, India China you have Iran which we seemingly just lost a war with so you kind of have this new world and the people of Palantir are like This new world is going to be run by tech oligarchs in a feudalist way.

56:09So we're moving away from the central banker, which, by the way, was not always a great world either. Right. We we we're not here to defend like the central banking cartels and human trafficking and drug trafficking and the pillaging of Latin America. You know, money laundering in the Epstein class and, you know, coup d 'etats in other countries so that our corporations can go pillage. We're not defending that per se. We're saying that Alex Karp's idea of the new world is just simply run by a few companies with a few oligarchs at the top of those companies.

56:46Tim Dillon:And the government of the United States of America is going to be infiltrated and taken over by those companies. And it's going to be completely, it's going to become ineffectual. it's going to become kind of a puppet government of big tech which it's starting to already a lot of them lined up behind Trump because they said he's an 80 year old boomer who's going to be able to sell our ideas to his constituents because he's built kind of a cult of personality and that's why they installed Elon Musk in there and it just didn't go well because Elon Musk is like such a dork and so unlikable that he went in there and he's like firing park rangers on YouTube thinking he's doing something, and everybody was kind of immediately disgusted by this, going, what the fuck's going on?

57:31Tim Dillon:This is like hellish. So they kicked him out, and then he got in a little war with the president, the Epstein files, whatever. But make no mistake, that's the Palantir thing, is that everybody's going to join the military. We're all going to fight a bunch of wars. We're going to make the country safe, but we're going to do it in a way that takes away most of your liberties, all of your personal autonomy and freedom, you're going to be, as soon as you're 18 years old, you'll be in the military. You're going to fight who we want you to fight. You're going to do what we want you to do. The jobs available are going to be the ones we tell you you qualify for based on, again, these models that they're going to build, these predictive models.

58:13Tim Dillon:You're not going to have access to the healthcare, the biohacking, the longevity stuff, living forever. That seems to be the new obsession of the rich and wealthy is to live forever. Life's not getting better. It's getting longer. no one looks at life from 30 years ago I mean by the way some people do right you know I get it like people get more rights minority groups get more rights in many cases so I'm not going to be I'm not blind to that but if you look at life in the 90s or the early 2000s or if you even go back to 2010 no one believes life is better now than it was in 2010 we're in 2026 it's 16 years later no one looks at life now and says it's better look at 2010 people are out they're in bars they're in restaurants they're going out they're celebrating things they have uh you know a um sort of a social um life that is different young people feel more hope about the future.

59:21Tim Dillon:They have a more vibrant social experience than they're having now. They haven't been fully sucked into phones. You know, the country, though divided on many key issues, is not in a constant state of war with each other. People aren't quite addicted to rage yet. social media hasn't programmed our minds we can still watch a movie we can still read a book we still have an attention span people can still go on a date and talk to a woman they don't have to goon for eight hours in their room and then read about hitler so nobody looks at 2010 and goes whoa that time sucked nobody looks at any of these oh yeah you didn't have fucking ai videos of fucking cats, fuck it.

1:00:15Tim Dillon:It's no one, none of this is good anymore. None of these advancements make anyone's life better. I mean, what are we talking about? Like, what do you, now we have pictures on the food delivery apps? None of this makes anything any better, truly. You're more isolated now. You're more alone now. You have less hope than you had. We're seemingly heading towards conflicts with other countries. We're in multiple wars, but none of it seems better. Nobody looks back on 2010 and goes, what a fucking nightmare. Again, 16 years ago. It was better after 9-11. You had more fun in this country after 9-11 than you are having right now.

1:01:15It's true.

1:01:16Tim Dillon:You had more fun after 9-11 than you are having right now. Right now is one of the bleakest periods that I've ever lived through. And it's the most technologically advanced time that we have. The things that you can do technologically now are beyond anything that has ever been done in history. but in order to enjoy it, you have to be a sociopath. In order to enjoy our time, you have to be a sociopath. You have to be unbothered by seeing a two-year-old that Israel lit on fire running around. And you have to swipe without thinking about it and go right to DoorDash and order Thai food. You have to be a sociopath.

1:02:02There's no way to truly enjoy that. You have to be a psychopath. You have to wake up and kind of ignore the news and say, I'm starting a business. let's go and i'm not saying you shouldn't do that because people need to be productive but we are all being trained to be sociopaths that's the way i mean we've just spent the last two months interviewing a kid who smashes the bones in his face with a hammer who's on meth and we've spent the last two months interviewing him and going what's your secret what's your secret you inject things in yourself every day nobody thinks that life is better than beverly hills 90210 nobody thinks that life is better than piling a bunch of your friends into a car and going to a school and going to a prom and having fun and going to the beach and taking shrooms nobody thinks this life is better nobody prefers living in a cold white apartment in miami and snorting adderall going to the club every night having a bunch of fake friends trying to drive a Lamborghini and filming yourself in it.

1:03:10No one thinks that's a preferable life to living in a brick Tudor style house with a dog and a family and a deli you walk to and a Christmas tree lighting. No one thinks that's better. No one honestly thinks any of that is better. No one thinks it's better to sit around front row at fashion week or aspire to be one of these, you know, you know, whatever, like, you know, you know, girl boss, you know, you know, CEO types. No one thinks that's better than having genuine connections in your life, family, friends, whatever. I'm not saying women shouldn't work. I'm saying nobody thinks it's better.

1:03:53The emptiness of climbing the corporate ladder, the emptiness of centering these aspirations as the only things in your life, no one finds this society and culture to be better than it was 20 years ago. Nobody. Find me one motherfucker. Find me one person who will literally, and not a psychopath, not someone selling online classes, okay? Not a finance YouTuber. I'm talking about a human fucking being. like a real motherfucking person. Tell me one person who thinks this is preferable to the way that we used to live. Tell me one human being that really believes that, that really believes that, that thinks it's great that you work till 40 so you can own your first house.

1:04:41You work 40 years of your life. You take out a quarter million dollars in loans to go to a school. You graduate, you try to find a job, you cobble together a couple of things, you move to a city, you live in an apartment with a couple of friends, You wander from bar to bar to hook up to hook up to try to connect with a human being. You're constantly trying to climb ladders and have more and more money and more and more things. You want more status. You want people to recognize you as something. You want to break away from the fucking normie mainstream. You grab a hammer. You smash the bones in your face.

1:05:15You want to go to Miami. There's no taxes in Miami. You want to live a certain type of life that you see on Instagram. and the pressures to do that eventually wear you down and then you're taking pills to just get up in the morning and walk out of your house. No one thinks that's a better life than the Gilmore Girls life. Living in an old house that you fix up with a dog and some friends and a community and a couple of nice restaurants and a town and some weird family dinners. and human experiences and involvement. Like, everything's a global hellscape now. We're all going to live in megacities.

1:06:00We're all going to be on apps. And everybody's, the only thing that people, the only thing that young professionals can talk about now is where they go on vacation. Because they have no lives. They have no fucking life. You got to go to Thailand. We went to Thailand. It was amazing. Can you tell her about Thailand? Mark, tell her about Thailand. He didn't want to go to Thailand. You know, it's a long flight. But we went and it was so amazing. The food is amazing. We were worried because I kind of have a sensitive stomach. I'm not really gluten insensitive, but I'm kind of in the middle. I'm one of those things, you know, but I'm just telling you, Thailand was amazing, but you have to spend two weeks.

1:06:31You have to spend two weeks. You see these temples. It's amazing. Oh my God. I didn't put my camera phone down. I didn't put it down for a minute. I didn't put my phone down for a minute because I was taking all these photos and Mark got mad. He's like, take it in. I'm like, I am taking it in, but I also have to record it. So we're not going back to Thailand. I mean, it's so far, but we'd actually really love to, like if we struck it big, like if he sold an app or something, I think we'd buy something in Thailand. It would be so amazing. Oh my God. It's so, you have to go to, that's all people tell you.

1:06:59All they tell you, they talk, you got to go to Italy. Got to go to Thailand. You got to go here. You got to go there. You know why? They don't have lives. And none of these people have lives. They all join Zero Bond. They join all these clubs in New York city. They sit around, they talk about who's rich. They talk about who's richer. They talk about who's richest. They don't have any lives. They go to Greece, to go here. They go to St. Paul's.

1:07:20Tim Dillon:You know, and then there's all these different versions of that and all these other cities and some of the destinations. You know, I'm talking about the high-end ones because I live in New York, whatever. Partially sometimes. Not always here. I'm in Dubai, tax-wise. But there's no lives. So that's all they talk about. Go out. Hear what people are talking about. They talk about vacation. I'm telling you. It's like absurd. It's like insane. Go anywhere and listen to what people are talking about. All they talk about is where they want to go. All they talk about is where they want to go. None of them have any lives.

1:07:49These people don't have any law. They just have photos in places they don't live. That's all they have because all they are, they're on a ladder and nobody thinks that's bad. My grandmother went to like two places. She went to the Galapagos Islands. She saw it was a fucking native revolt. She saw some fucking,

1:08:14fuck, not anacondas, iguanas. She saw some iguanas. They spit at you on the rocks. She went there. You know, she went to like the Badlands National Park. She went on a cruise through the Panama Canal. She went to Hawaii. She didn't go. She never toured Europe. And when she died at 80, there was 100 people at her funeral because she lived in the same town for 50 years and it made an impact on a bunch of people's lives. I don't care that you went to Anguilla, you fucking scumbag. You are nothing. You are zero. You have a meaningless life. It's unbelievably meaningful. You don't even understand how meaningless it is.

1:08:48I couldn't explain to you how meaningless your life is if I had all the days in history. And that's not meant as an insult. I know it sounds like an insult, but it is not. I feel bad for you. And it's not your fault either.

1:09:06Tim Dillon:It is the culture that we have made you believe is essential. No one thinks this is better. No one thinks this is preferable. Nobody thinks this is good. We are just all doing it because there seems to be nothing else to do. And we are being fed like lambs to the slaughter. We are going to be fed into the wood chipper. And when all these jobs go away, when all your meaningless crap office job goes away and you can't go take a photo of yourself, wherever the hell you're going and you can't take a photo of the fucking restaurant that no one can get into this whole city that I'm in right now has descended into hell all of these normies are just running around from the corner store to the fucking 1986 to these all these restaurants and the whole goal of their life is to tell someone they got a table at a restaurant on a saturday night it's i'm telling you right now i couldn't describe how meaningless this has become in the 90s when i lived here you know when i would come in here.

1:10:14Tim Dillon:I didn't live here. It was in Long Island. My parents would bring me in and I would go on auditions as an actor. And there were these little black box theaters under these restaurants in the West Village and people would put on these plays about getting molested and then they would kill themselves. Do you understand what a great city we lost? Like truly? Like actually? There was this woman, my mother's friend. My mother's friend did a play. She wrote a whole play about being molested by her father. and then her father came to see the play, and it's about him molesting his daughter. And at the end of the play, my mother said to this man, what did you think of it?

1:10:54And he said, it was a little long.

1:10:57Tim Dillon:Do you understand the city that we lost? People were trying to survive through art. There was always people trying to make a shitload of money. We get it. It's New York. We get it. But, you know, restaurants used to be cool. I'm sorry, I'm old now. I'm 41, and I'm old. and you all say I'm fucking old and that's okay. It doesn't matter. But I'm telling you, whatever has been created in whatever the American culture is now,

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1:14:14Tim Dillon:I mean, Britain's banning smoking if you were born after 2008. Like, what a joke. What a joke. You have no job? You're getting stabbed in the park and you can't even have a cigarette? It's like, this is like, the idea that anyone cares about your health is like hilarious. You know why they're banning smoking? Because there's 15 new injectable drugs they're going to put you on, by the way. It's not because they care about your health. The government of the UK just didn't decide. They don't want to pay out money for people with cancer or whatever. That's fine. Now there's articles coming out. People get lung cancer.

1:14:51Tim Dillon:Supposedly women under 50 are getting lung cancer because they're eating salads every day. It's a real article. I'm not going to go into it, but it's true. Google it. I don't care. But it's true. People that are eating diets that are higher in fruits and vegetables because of the pesticides are getting lung cancer. Look it up right now. Pull it up. Pull it up. Pull it up. Pull it up. I'm not saying you should smoke. I'm not saying you should drink. I'm not saying you should do drugs, although I think a little bit of that might be better than whatever the hell it is you're doing. Healthy foods may be linked to lung cancer.

1:15:20Tim Dillon:People magazine, there you go. There you have it. Whatever. I just read it the other day. Here's what I'm saying. I'm not telling you to smoke. I'm just saying it is hilarious that Britain's now like, you know what the problem is? We're going to ban smoking. What are they going to do? Go to bars and go, who was born in 2009? You're going to jail. You're getting a ticket. You don't care about your fucking hell. so I'm just saying Palantir is putting out this manifesto and some of it sounds very reasonable right like all cultures are not created equal like western civilization is good and like you know a religious death cult where people believe in witches is bad it's like yeah we get all of that okay but it's not so much that it's the whole and we're all going to join the military and we're all going to go to war and we're going to wrap this in the blanket of Christianity I mean, they're talking about religious intolerance.

1:16:09Tim Dillon:They're lighting children on fire in Gaza. Their technology is being used for all of this stuff. It's very interesting to talk about religion and then build death machines. So, I'm just saying we're heading to a place that no one will say is superior to where we are now. in the same way that no one says 2026 is superior to 2016. No one is going to say 20, if we keep going the way we're going, no one is going to say 2036 is superior to 2026. Even though at that point you could probably talk to your dead mother. You probably talk to an AI version of your dead son who died in a car accident. Jimmy, is that you?

1:16:55Tim Dillon:No one's going to think it's better. No one's going to think when you're heavily drugged up in your little box talking to dead relatives, AI created dead relatives, that it is better than now. And no one says that. And that's the problem. Because there were times when you look back where people go, fuck, this is a lot better than it was. But we, you know, this text seems to have stopped making our lives better. Now, a lot of sociopaths would disagree with me. And I like some of them. Because the thing about sociopaths is that they're charming. A lot of them are very nice. They're fun to get dinner with.

1:17:33Tim Dillon:They don't feel. It's not their fault. Some of them have evolved to be that way. Some of them are born that way. It's just what it is. I'm not a doctor. And they're fun to have dinner with and they're lovely. And they're actually, a lot of them are good comedy audiences. Some not so much. Some are.

1:17:51But that's basically, you know, because their argument is going to be there's more ways to get rich now than ever.

1:17:59Tim Dillon:And I talked to them. And I'll sit down with them. I don't join these private clubs in New York. I hate that idea. I go to restaurants. I'll sit down with people. You go out in the Hamptons. You have a fucking, you know, a baked clam. And they tell you, they go, there's more ways to get rich now than ever. Look at you. They go, look at you. You're on YouTube. Look at you. You're on YouTube. Suck an oyster down. It's nothing in the eye. Just black eyes. but that's not a society. More ways to get rich than ever is not a society. That's like not a society. It's not a culture. It's actually nothing.

1:18:41Tim Dillon:It's a casino. There's more ways to get rich in a casino than a lot of other buildings, right? Like a church or a banquet hall or a restaurant or a hospital. Like there's almost no ways to get rich in any of those buildings. and in a casino, there's like tons of ways to get rich. But you wouldn't necessarily say that, oh, you should get rid of all those other buildings and then just have a big casino and like move the hospital in there and put a wedding chapel in there and just live in the casino. You go, no, no, no. The casino is like something we all go to occasionally. We have a fun weekend.

1:19:19We go see like a band.

1:19:23Tim Dillon:We go to the club. We get drunk. We eat bad food. We smoke some cigarettes. We stay up late. We gamble. that's no good. But what everyone's saying now is no, no, no, no, no. We're going to live here in the casino and we're going to get healthy. We're not going to eat the bad food and we're not going to drink. And you're like, wait, what? And they're like, no, we're going to be in the casino sober. And you go, that sounds terrible. And they go, no, no, no. It's actually great. We're sober. We're eating healthy and we're in the casino and we're going to live forever. and you go, but I want out. Like I want to leave the casino.

1:19:56Tim Dillon:There is no out. And you go, why? And they go, well, everything else has been destroyed by a nuclear war. And that's the economy that we've created. There's more ways to get rich than ever before. But that's not a society. That's not a culture. And that's barely aspirational. I guess you just want a lot of money for the sake of having a lot of money. You could buy an apartment on the top of a building or a really big house or a boat. I mean, but it's actually not a cohesive, fulfilling culture on any level. And the people that are driving it right now and telling you how great it is are the people that want to live 24-7 in the casino.

1:20:34Tim Dillon:And they don't only want to live there. They want to live forever there. It can get richer and richer and richer. I don't understand the point of that, really. I don't get it. It doesn't make any sense to me. It's not a cohesive, fulfilling, cultural standard for most people. There are lots of risk takers that want to make lots of money. But if we create a world where you can either be really rich if you adopt some AI crypto scam,

1:21:06Tim Dillon:but like if you don't, then like your communities are going to just turn into fentanyl, zombie parades? I don't know. That doesn't make any sense. Nobody wants the life. You know, when I grew up, the rich guy, and I understand some of this, by the way, because I meet a lot of these people. I know a lot of these people. There's a loneliness, you know, lonely at the top, right? Like, the rich guy was always portrayed as, like, you know, not always a Scrooge character, but, you know, kind of a, he was set apart, you know, and all the Stephen King novels, the mysterious billionaire who weirdly controls the town, Mr.

1:21:46Tim Dillon:Burns and the Simpsons, this, that, and the other thing. They had the big house. It was kind of empty. You know, even Batman, the Bruce Wayne, you know, he's doing good, whatever. You know, I'm pro-Batman. But like, there was a weirdness to his life. It was like an odd, it was like a weirdness to being like super rich. There is. Look at these people. Altman, Bezos. I mean, are they, are they, are they human? Does he look human? Like Bezos and Lauren Sanchez, I was like, they're like, they're like, Michael, get Michael Dell and his wife up right now. Shout out to Michael Dell, friend of the show.

1:22:19Tim Dillon:Get Michael Dell and the wife. This is super rich. Get him up. Get that photo to the left. Make it big. Make it big. Make it big here. Get him big as you can. This is the rich. This is the super rich. you know I mean her eyes just go right through you don't they I mean her eyes go right through you I mean that is alright take it off I'm actually starting to get uncomfortable

1:23:01Tim Dillon:but what I mean by that is like the idea when I grew up was not to be like loaded and rich I'm happy I have a lot of money. I love money. I tell people all the time, it's great to have money. It's great to be able to help people with money, and it's great to be able to drive nice cars and have nice things and have nice houses. And I'm never going to deny that. I get it. But this idea that that's like the only thing is crazy. It's psychotic. And I know a lot of people that are incredibly happy, deeply fulfilled human beings that are not wealthy. And when I grew up, again, it was, the goal was not to have like inordinate amounts of money.

1:23:41I was, I was like broke for like 15 years doing standup, like doing comedy, like, you know, maybe like 12, 13 years. I started to make money like 13 years in a comedy. Like, so this idea that, and I was, there was some of the happiest times in my life. So the idea that we've created a culture where people only find hope on the very high end, and it's such a status-driven culture, and tech has made that, it has greatly enhanced that because it has showcased all of these things to the world as universal goods. goods, like this is a universal good.

1:24:26That was not the way we grew up. We grew up with the idea that to be solidly middle-class and live in a community where you knew and respected people and you raised children there and those people respected you and you had, and you took pride in that community and there were cool things in your community and people would fight and tease each other as like, are, you know, are things better than your thing and dah, dah, dah, dah, dah. And all the shows we watched kind of confirmed that that was the American way of life. And the American way of life is not like a huge, you know, like Miami-based crypto AI casino roulette wheel.

1:25:03But that's what it is now. And Palantir is telling you that. They're going, listen, soft power ain't going to work. We've lost that. You know, a lot of the people that come to this country and visit it, they go around and go, what the hell's happening? So hard power is all that's left. Drones. You know, a couple of killer robots. Some drones, some killer robots. And keep your mouth shut. And join the military. And we'll fight who we want to fight. Isn't it fun to say join the military? I mean, there's no reason where no one's even explained why we're in the Iran war. They don't care. Pound to go join the fucking military.

1:25:46What are you giving a fuck? Shut up. And no one, no one feels better today than they did 15 years ago. And yet all of this tack is here. So how are we going to feel in 10 years? How are we going to feel with predictive crime models? What's dating like in 10 years when you're just doing AI analysis? or you're just dating the chatbot. Why even spend the time to do the AI analysis on the day? Like, what does all that look like? And again, I'm not a Luddite. So I make my living on the internet. I'm very happy I do. And there's no editors and there's nobody who tells me what to say. But, and that's not, you know, that's new in history.

1:26:30So I appreciate that and I appreciate technology. But you do have to wonder if there is a point where you do cross a certain threshold and we're probably there already. I don't know. where like we no longer feel that any of this is making our life happier. Nobody feels happier than they did in 2010. By the way, in the midst of a financial collapse, 2008, 2009, 2010, these were not easy times. It was like a financial crisis. It was a global banking crisis. And people were happier. than they are now. Interesting.

1:27:17This is awkward. Now, again, I have to earn a living from the show, so I don't think this negates the episode I just did. Truly. Tim Dillon Show is sponsored by Palantir. Palantir has America's best interests at heart. It's advanced weapons technologies will usher in the new. Will you get it?

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