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31:19We've been working together a long time. Over that period of time, we've now done a few hundred episodes together, minimum. And I started with making edits myself in a Google Doc. And then we would go back and forth. and over time I got to the point where I would ask him to suggest edits and then I would go through and provide refinements and feedback and I am at the point now where we probably have 95 % overlap which is good enough and I therefore feel very comfortable with letting him make the vast majority of editing decisions. How long did that take you? Was that like a year process? Yeah, at least a year.

32:06Because you're really training someone to do two things. One is to understand how you think well enough, my decision-making process, so that they can step into the shoes or into the mind of Tim Ferriss to look at a transcript. The second is to be the best version of their editorial selves for using judgment. and it's the combination that works really well so i would say it took me probably in his case his responsibilities expanded dramatically as we work together over time but i would say since he has effectively run the operation side of the podcast probably took a year and a half to two years is what i would say and i think it can be done much more quickly for people who really focus on it and who don't have the trust issues that I have.

33:05If you have a high enough volume of podcasts, which I have directly throttled, I used to do, say, at times, six, seven episodes a month because you have all of these other interview-based podcasts that are doing four or five a week. And I felt like that was a trend that I should, not a trend I should follow, but that was certainly in my economic best interest. to publish more episodes and people were consuming them. But I started to drag my feet and realized it was starting to feel like a J-O-B in the sense that I really was not looking forward to my conversations after the fourth or fifth or sixth of a month.

33:45So I dialed back deliberately so that I would still enjoy what I was doing. What that meant though, is that you're getting fewer iterations or you're getting fewer at bat practices with the person you're trying to trained to be a world-class editor. And I think you could do it if you had decent volume. You could probably do it in three months. Especially, for instance, one thing that I could have done, I just didn't think of it and I didn't have really the bandwidth. I'm just juggling a lot and it wasn't my absolute top priority. You don't have to use new audio. I could have said, let's take the raw audio from 20 episodes that were published before.

34:25Or if you have a friend who's a podcaster, you could have said, give me 20 of your episodes and then have him run through it. And then I would run through it. And boom, before you know it, if the person is reasonably adaptive and perceptive, they'll figure it out. So I would say three to six months, but I'm at a point now where it's at least 95 % overlap. And if there's something that's very, nuanced that I feel strongly about, I will still make that edit myself. And some of it is really, really, really, really nuanced. Let's just say a guest gives a long answer. In the middle of that answer, they say something that's factually incorrect.

35:02And for my audience and also for the guests themselves, I want to remove that. But if I remove it, perhaps that removes a bunch of important context. So I may need to take something from elsewhere in the conversation and slot it in or create a hybrid sort of Frankenstein for it to make sense or ask them to do a pickup, meaning record additional audio to slot in somewhere. That is at a level of complexity and also like Tim Ferriss' subjective whim that I will often step in to try to make some of those decisions. But my right hand makes a lot of the decisions on his own now, and it's incredible.

35:42So that's been the process. And there is, I will say, to put out a really good finished episode, oftentimes there is a fuck ton of work that happens behind the scenes that if we do our jobs correctly are completely invisible. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For me, it's obviously a different can of worms in running a startup in a business, but I think of it kind of through this lens where one, a hundred percent, not even taking shortcuts when it comes to hiring, just hiring absolute A-plus players or what you believe to be A-plus players from day one. I really, when I was working at Google and you walk in the door and you get to see who you're surrounded and who your peers are, it's very apparent that there's a reason why their hiring process is so long.

36:29And so a little bit tedious, but just it's quite the complex, several hurdles that you have to get over before you actually get in the door. And I understand why those hurdles are so high now, because once you get in, they give you the kind the keys to the castle and say, just go run, make mistakes, learn. And they trust you a lot. And so for me, once we have, I know I have high quality talent to work with, it comes down to if this were to go completely sideways, how big of screw up would it be publicly into our community? And if the answer is a six or above, I probably want to give it a little bit more hands-on attention.

37:10And if the answer is like an eight or above, then I want to be heavily involved in that process. If it's a kind of five or below, who cares? Like let them make the mistake because you just don't have time to look at everything. Not only that, but you don't want your employees and look, I think you're better at the micromanaging side. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Right. It's like, you don't want them to feel like you're the teacher looking over their shoulder to like point out every mistake they make as they're working, which has been hard for me to learn, honestly, because I am such a perfectionist.

37:39I don't know if I told you this. Did I tell you that I was diagnosed with moderate severe OCD by a psychiatrist? Did I tell you this? No. Holy shit. That all makes sense now. What was funny is that I went through this long thing and then the psychiatrist was like, okay, I feel like I have a very confident read on our current state of play and the diagnosis. and so he tells me all this and he says we're on zoom and he's like i understand this could be a lot to take in if you need time we can take a break if you want to hop off the call pick up tomorrow and i was like are you fucking kidding me i'm not surprised at all yeah i'm like yeah okay fine like what's next that's fine dude it's so funny you say that i've got an awesome new therapist that i'm really enjoying she's amazing and she's like i want to refer you to someone because what you're describing sounds like ADHD.

38:34And I'm like, yeah, no shit. It's a big surprise, you know? Shocker. Yeah, shocker. It literally happened a week ago. It's amazing. Yeah, I reached out to a couple of my ex-girlfriends who I'm friendly with and I asked them, I was like, is this like square with your experience? And they're like, yeah, yeah, it's square with my experience. I was like, yeah, okay, confirmed. and this was in just to provide the context this was in the context of trying to determine neuroanatomical targets for something referred to as accelerated tms which i'm hoping to talk quite a bit more about but i don't feel comfortable yet making any type of recommendation but it is a new protocol with a very i shouldn't say very old but like 1980s ish forward developing technology transcranial magnetic stimulation so it's brain stimulation for the purposes of minimizing or eliminating the symptoms of certain things like ocd depression generalized or maybe it's just general anxiety disorder i think it's generalized anxiety disorder GAD.

39:49And I've become very interested in this because there are data related to something that's been called the SAINT protocol. I think that had too many religious overtones, so they abbreviated it to, I think, maybe SNT. It's a Stanford-based brain stimulation lab. There's some incredible scientists involved, including Nolan Williams, who's incredibly impressive to me, who have developed this protocol and the magnitude of effect that i have seen in some of the data this does not apply to all people does not apply to all conditions but shows a magnitude of effect that makes it equally as interesting to me as psychedelic assisted therapies it's the only thing i have come across in the last five years that approaches the amplitude of effect size that you see in some of these results.

40:41It's bananas, but it's very intense. By accelerated TMS, what that means is you're getting your brain zapped. And it's not technically, I mean, whatever. We don't have to get into zapping. It's using magnetism, but you fucking feel it. Let me make it very clear. You're getting zapped for, and I could be getting some of the specifics wrong, but I've gone through one cycle of this already. You're getting zapped for something like eight and a half to 10 minutes every hour on the hour for 10 hours a day for five days straight. So you're doing 50 sessions in five days. It's a hell of a thing. But that is why I was undergoing this psychiatric evaluation was to determine what the diagnosis was such that they could try to determine which coordinates to use basically in placement of the stimulation.

41:34super super super super interesting but the reason i brought that up is winding all the way back to kind of where we started i noticed really minute details and that means also every mistake every like i could i could scan document i don't know if you're like this but like i can look at a document that four lawyers have reviewed and find stuff and I just have that ability. I don't know what it is. It's definitely not all blessing. There's a lot of curse to that, but I could scan a document reading very quickly and be like, this clause is off. That punctuation is off in minutes. You're like a living chat GPT.

42:16Yeah. I'm kind of like, or yeah, or a rain man in some respects, but that comes with a huge tax, right because it drives other people crazy and you drive yourself crazy so i'm learning to contend with that which is a way of emphasizing how big a deal it is for me to collaborate in the way that i'm describing i will say also that the objective for the creative offsite for me was to try to create a flywheel of collaborative potential. And I'll explain what that means. In other words, I wanted to create enough imagery, enough artwork, also enough scaffolding in terms of world building. So the mythologies, the beliefs, the alliances, the conflicts, the geography, such that I could take all of that and give it as a world Bible of sorts to a writer who's never had any exposure to the realm of Varlata, right?

43:22The Legend of Cock Bunch. And they would be equipped to write a short story or a module or an adventure for D &D, a campaign, who knows, or a comic book and have it align with my creative vision for that entire fantasy world, which was a cool challenge. I think it requires a little more time. Those types of creative pushes are often two to three weeks. Three weeks seems to be the sweet spot, but that's a huge ask of my time and of everyone's time. And I wanted to make sure that I felt comfortable in a shorter format first. But man, I'm excited because what a lot of people don't realize is this whole Legend of Cockpunch thing.

44:09The only thing I need to do to make this something serious is change the name. I don't need to change anything about the world. I've told you that. Yes. It's actually really easy. Like if I wanted to switch that gear, which I think would be a terrible handicap right now, because I want to continue to collaborate. And by having the current branding, it alleviates a lot of pressure i might apply to it there's very little i have to do to flip a switch and make this a extremely viable i don't know i don't know maybe maybe i think you should remember when we had this conversation i called you up and i said dude if you do these three things this shit's gonna take off and one of them was yeah the name change yeah of course of course i know it's a possibility right now it is working so well as a creative hyperdrive and as a catalyst for just it's like having my own fusion reactor or something it's working so well that i'm like look don't get too clever like you can fuck things up by being too clever i was like don't get too clever like this is working really well you lucked into a lot of it some of it's by design but you got really lucky, like ride the lightning for a while.

45:18Don't fuck it up. So I'm going to stick with it for a while. There's no, I don't feel also any time pressure whatsoever.

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46:46Can I ask you a question that I hope you'll give me a more kind of vulnerable response to? Oh, boy. So, no, this is a good one, though, because from an outsider looking in, you say, okay, Tim, you've told us this is just my observations. You say over and over, Legend of Cockpunch, it's a joke. It's for fun. It's a throwaway. I'm having a good time. Don't want to take it too seriously, blah, blah, blah. but you know, in some sense, let me just think about how to word this. In some sense, if you did take it seriously, now you're a sci, you're not a sci-fi, but you're a fiction writer. Yeah, fantasy writer.

47:22And fantasy writer. And you could go for it. You could decide at some point to go for it and say, I want to try this, but there's also a sense that it could fail. And you're protected right now from failure because of the name. So is that just a safety mechanism to keep you from feeling failure? Do you see what I'm saying? Like if we're being really vulnerable here? I do, yeah. It's a great question. So here's what I would say. It's actually in a sense the opposite for me. So it's not a throwaway. It's definitely not a throwaway. It is something I think very profound, at least for me personally, that is in the guise of something ridiculous, which I think more people should try, honestly.

48:13It's actually a cheat code. And I would say that instead of using it to avoid the possibility of failure, what it is enabling me to do is fucking swing for the fences in ways that I would never dare otherwise that could result in just a complete face plant. So I'm actually risking many, many, many different types of failure that I would be hugely averse to otherwise by couching it in the terms that I've been using. And I am going to do so much more of this in life. Holy shit. This has been such an unlock for me that I'm going to do a lot more of it. and I'll mention a few other things just quickly because it ties into this.

49:07That's the nature of the random show. Let me just pull out a random piece of paper from the hat and we'll go from there. There's a great book. It's actually excellent for storytelling in general, although it is comic specific. It was recommended to me by a very good artist and creative who works in Comics named Daniel Henriquez or Enriquez, the DC Comics Guide to Writing Comics, which is such a boring title for a really entertaining and useful book. But the DC Comics Guide to Writing Comics by Dennis O 'Neill, it has sample scripts. It shows you side-by-side script plus final output. It goes into story arcs.

49:49Not all of it would apply to what I want to do, but it was incredibly, I found it incredibly useful and also hilarious. The writing itself is spectacular. I thought it was spectacular by Dennis O 'Neill. So I want to give a hats off to him. And in terms of fiction, I would be very insecure if I were to take fiction writing prose only on, in say, novel or book form, because there are some people who are so, so good at it. for people out there who have not read any say fantasy fiction we could certainly get into science fiction i'm a huge fan of science fiction ted chang i'll just say that c-h-i-a-n-g the collections of short stories oh that's not like eight short stories or something like that in one book yeah exactly so there's is that the one that was really good oh maybe you you said that a couple years ago yeah i mean he's he's absurdly absurdly good the movie arrival was based on one of his short stories.

50:48I mean, the guy is so, so, so good. So to be able to pack that much information, like that dense of storytelling in such a short little, it brings you in so quickly. It's unbelievable writing. His ability to like turn your brain inside out with new concepts. Exactly. In a short story. In like 15 pages. Oh, it's unbelievable. It's unbelievable. So Ted Chiang for science fiction would be my starting point. And then you can try the longer stuff. But for fantasy, Lord of the Rings is just too much for people to chew on, generally. The Name of the Wind by Patrick Rothfuss. I think Daria's read that, actually, because I recommended it.

51:28She read the Graveyard Book, which was usually my... The Graveyard Book by Neil Gaiman is usually my trainer for people who are nonfiction purists, who are like, fiction is dumb, I don't want to read fiction. I'll usually break them in with the Graveyard Book by Neil Gaiman, usually audiobook, because these people are like, I'm fucking busy. I'm like, okay, fine. Well, listen while you're walking the dog or doing the dishes or whatever. The Graveyard Book, read by Neil Gaiman. The ensemble is great, but don't do the ensemble cast, read by Neil Gaiman. And the other one is The Name of the Wind by Patrick Rothfuss, which is fucking incredible.

52:02And I recommended it to a friend. I hadn't read it in 10 years or something. And my friend, who is a fucking snob when it comes to writing. He has very high standards. He reads excellent books. He ripped through the two books that are part of the series, the Kingkiller Chronicles, in like four days. These are long books. And it completely blew his mind, which got me very excited to read more fiction. But I didn't have a good lead until these concept artists, at least I think one of the concept artists and one of the writers, at least, it was like three out of five or something, said, you have to read The Blade Itself by Joe Abercrombie.

52:44And I'm in the middle of listening to The Blade Itself by Joe Abercrombie. And it is really fun. It is really, really, really good. I've really been enjoying it. So on the creative side, I'm soaking myself in masters of fiction, but I don't have the balls yet or i let me put it a different way it's not a balls issue it's i don't have the hubris to want to take that on right now i realize i have a lot of skill development to uh focus on and i think that my sweet spot will actually be potentially comics i really think comics might be my sweet spot because i that'd be awesome yeah because i have the visual sensibility i mean i do have the sort of directorial visual capacity.

53:37I can think about all of that very easily. So I could see you really, really enjoying that. And I want to recommend one other thing, which is there's a very short, it's not really a TED talk, but it's on TED. There's a nine minute monologue. And what's genius about it is that he's such a good actor that he makes it seem impromptu, but you know he rehearsed the shit out of it. Right? It takes a lot of practice to make something seem like it's impromptu. And it's Ethan Hawke, the actor. And it is a short TED Talk. It's like nine minutes long called Give Yourself Permission to Be Creative. And holy shit, it is so good and so powerful.

54:23I really, really recommend everybody check it out. It's such an easy lift. Amazing. Well, speaking of TED Talks, thank you for coming to my TED Talk. Kevin, you're up. Yeah. So one thing I wanted to, you know, we talked about that brain stimulation stuff and, you know, Adam Ghazali, our mutual friend at UCSF has been experimenting with some of that stuff as well. For a long time. For a long time. He's one of the pros. Yeah. Long time. One thing that I will say, our mutual friend, Matt Walker, who runs the Berkeley Sleep Lab, have you talked to Matt about brain stimulation? No. You know, I literally took a note like 10 minutes ago to catch up with me.

54:58Matt Walker because I haven't caught up with him in a while. So yes, I've been thinking about Matt. Talking about one of the nicest humans on earth. But I haven't talked to him about brainstem. I have not. Matt is, and this is by no means an ad, I'm not involved at all. He's a scientific advisor for a company called Somne, S-O-M-N-E-E. He sent me one of the devices. I haven't tried it yet, but I have it sitting next to my bed, oddly enough, as one does. But you wear it 15 minutes before you go to sleep. And it's supposed to just really improve your sleep quality via brain stimulation. So definitely check that out.

55:36And I know that obviously he wouldn't sign on to something unless he believed the science was solid. And he was very excited about this. It's a tough hurdle as a startup to get people to feel comfortable stimulating their brain with currency. Like it's challenging, but it's really promising. And Matt was impressed with the results. That's amazing. If you have trouble with sleep, definitely check it out. and that's obviously a legend story of my life good lord yeah so i will talk to matt he's genuinely such a brilliant but moreover sweet guy he's just one of the sweetest guys i've ever met he's nice like i i kind of want to like write him into my will and watch my kids seriously like i mean it's like i know i met you a year ago but can you be the godfather to my unborn children please.

56:24I've never met them, but exactly. Sweetest guy. Such a sweet guy. All right. So I know you have a bunch of stuff. What else are you holding back here? So, you know, speaking of just crazy shit early that I want to tell you about, I think about technology startups in general. We all know 90 % of them fail. Some of them are so odd. They're worth mentioning because if they become something larger, you'll want to have heard about it, right? This is one of those. So there is a site out there. It is called friend.tech. Have you heard of this? No. Okay. I don't think so. So you get a signup code. They're posting them all over Twitter.

57:10Somebody you'll know will have one. And when you go in, what they have realized and what Apple has done is Apple has said, you must pay us a 20 % to ax on all transactions, right? And they've also banned cryptocurrency trading from the app store. Like they don't allow that to happen. They like to have wallets and they like to buy from like Coinbase, but they as payments, they haven't yet enabled that. So some clever individuals have figured out that back in the day, they have a way with Safari, the little browser built into the iPhone, to install apps on the phone that aren't actually from the App Store.

57:47Oh, that's wild. They're written. Okay. I see where this is going. Okay. So what they've done is somebody created something called friend.tech. And when you sign in with your Twitter and off in your Twitter, it creates a profile for you. It gives you a place to post to your followers. you can post out and they can all respond back, but they can't see each other's responses. So it's almost like a private DM that is coming from them to you. But whenever you send something out, it goes to everyone, okay? All right. Now, what happens though, is you get one share of yourself to begin with and they call them keys now because they realize the SEC might freak out about that.

58:27And they're tokenizing humans via a bonding curve. What? What does that mean? Yes. Think of bonding curves like a slippery slide, like a child's slide. And if you had to place a toy car on the bottom of the slide, if you're early and you're the first one, you're buying in at the ground floor. But as the car starts to go up the slide, which is the predefined curvature of the bonding curve, it becomes more and more pricey. So if I buy Tim Ferriss as user number one, I might pay 10 cents a share for Tim Ferriss. And the next person might pay 15 cents the next person might pay 20 and then it goes up from there right and it's all done in ethereum but they do it on a layer two which is another complex way of saying they kind of take it off chain or not on the main chain so it only costs pennies to do these transactions got it so you're dodging apple and you're dodging the gas fees right so think of this like imagine this is like a new type of only fans but for everyday content so if twitter can have subscriptions only fans can have fetishes about whatever i don't even want to name any because i've seen some weird shit i've heard about some word shit nice save nice save

59:44so this allows them to dodge the micro payments so i signed up i was like what the hell i'm just gonna try this but here's the crazy thing tim as people buy and sell you a percentage that goes back to you as the creator, the content creator. So I didn't know that going into this. I'm like, oh, I'm just going to buy and sell some of my friends. And so I haven't sold anybody. Wait, wait, wait. Hold on. You're saying buy and sell some of your friends or you're selling not shares because the SEC will freak out, but whatever the hell. They call them keys. Keys. Keys and yourself. Yeah. What do people get?

1:00:16Okay. So they pay for this thing. They get access to your feed. They get access to your feed. All right. Okay. All right. So if you signed up. So it's like an Ethereum-denominated Patreon in a way. Something like that? Yes, exactly. But it's based on a bonding curve. So the sooner you get in, the better. And then as you exit down, it follows the same curve down. So as you sell shares. So, you know, Nadia from Pussy Riot, I paid for hers. And she put some things on her feed. That's very nice. Nadia's a beautiful woman. There's no doubt about that. Kevin just showed his iPhone screen to the video, for those who want to check in on the video.

1:00:55If you want to get the video version. Listen, Daria likes her. She told Daria that she has a nice ass. So my wife is okay with her. Nice. I don't even know if I should be bringing this up right now. I've had two glasses of wine. Female politics are so next level. Dudes are just playing checkers and women are playing 3D chess. It's so much more complicated. Because she goes to Daria like, oh, you have a really nice ass. And Daria's like, thank you. And then later Daria's like, oh, she's had a nice ass. I'm like, what do I say? Like, oh, you both have nice asses. Like, what am I supposed to say?

1:01:26There's nothing you can say to win. I like food. I like ass. I would like some scrambled eggs now. There's nothing you can say. You just got to go back to your normal program. So anyway, she's the following one to follow. But here's the funny thing is people are buying or selling me, right? And I wasn't aware of this. You get a cut of it. So, dude, I've got like almost three ETH in just royalties from people buying and selling me on this. So here's what I'm guessing. So people who are at the bottom of the slide are marking up and then selling their shares, their keys. Potentially. In Kevin. So let me ask you this.

1:02:09Are you ending up with the same scumbags that are so common in Web3 land? Or is it like something you don't have to deal with? scumbags i call them friends but um i would say that i'm not saying everybody in those communities fits the description of scumbags but there are a lot of fucking idiots like let's be honest right yeah i don't think you can block anyone here but so far everyone has been super nice okay cool i only have also also because if it's a dm they don't get any social reinforcement for being pricks right right and that just it only comes to you but they get yes exactly yeah but my point really is is not so much about whether this is i think the sec comes in here at some point this gets too big and it's like uh you know this probably isn't uh right but i there's something interesting about this idea of owning a portion of it's like when we were kids and you said hey this band's gonna be huge right and you listen to a band you get rewarded for being early yeah exactly and you were like no trust me trust me they're gonna break out the song this is just the beginning and then you know they become the next pearl jam or whatever you're like i told you man i was i was early i was a fan since day one you know this is a way to say i was a fan since day one and get rewarded for it at the same time so it's a fascinating social experiment i don't know where it's gonna go but i think it's worth people just kicking the tires and so the way you get rewarded then if you're buying keys god that's awkward that term is used for so many things yeah but whatever keys in someone so i buy keys and kevin rose the way i get rewarded is number one access to the feed although i don't think your ass shots are going to be as good as the one that you just showed me i have pictures of you from that i haven't exposed yet all right perfect can't wait and then secondly the way you get rewarded is you can i guess sell some or all of your keys if you got in early you get one share of your own self you can buy more shares of your own self if you're bullish on yourself but i would not recommend going and selling yourself that just looks odd for me i've just gone out and bought a handful of other people that i respect or want to see their content i haven't sold anybody because i i think this is like a house of cards a little bit what happened here i'm not gonna play the fuck is going on i know i i was building a kid's construction set my my kid's uh house and fucked it up looks like you've been punching cement blocks i know i do want to take some boxing classes though that's that's been on my list of to-dos yeah you should just don't get hit in the head yeah i know that yeah tbi does not help what you want to do.

1:04:52I mean, boxing's great. You will feel like you're about to die after three minutes of working on pads. It is so unbelievably tiring, especially if you have a trainer who moves a lot and can avoid what you're trying to accomplish. Muay Thai, also excellent for pad work. I've been thinking about getting back into Muay Thai, but I have to fix my spinal pain first. Muay Thai is probably one of the worst things that I could possibly do right now, given the state of affairs. but boxing's great, man. And you'll have access to a lot of good gyms. Yeah. There's got to be some out here. I'm going to go try and find a good one.

1:05:28Ton. Ton. You got tons of options. Yeah. Just skip the sparring. Skip the sparring. Work on pads. Well, I mean, you could do light sparring, though, right, with padded headgear. Like, as long as it's not too, you know, here's, let me explain what happens in light sparring with headgear. So here's what happens with light sparring with headgear. Everyone's cool for like 60 seconds. Until you're not. And then someone throws a punch that's a little too hard, and they say, oh, sorry, man, sorry. And the other person's like, yeah, that's fine, no problem. Then the other person throws a shot that's a little harder, and then before you know it, you're just fucking giving each other brain damage left and right.

1:06:04And then you both have a headache for three days, and you actually have real jobs, and it's a complete waste of brain cells. So the way that sparring, it's not really sparring, but the way that contact can make sense is if you have someone who's really good at holding mitts, pads, who will occasionally check you with their own hands, but they have the pads on. So they're not hitting you hard, but they're giving you that feedback. It's just like a little snap to the face. So you have to react and you have to develop some defensive capabilities. that's yeah i think that's tolerable but speaking as someone oh my god going through these psychiatric evaluations the number of questions related to concussions and traumatic brain injury is really beyond anything i would have expected like the correlation of depression anxiety etc to tbi to traumatic brain injury is undeniable yeah it turns out fucking up your brain is going to fuck brain.

1:07:05Well, yeah, but it's not immediately clear if you're say a skateboarder when you're a kid, like I skateboarded and you did too. I'm sure you ate shit sometimes and like you whack the living hell out of your head. I was actually talking to Tony Hawk about this because, um, you know, his, his mom, uh, passed from dementia and, and he, we were talking about, you know, some of the brain injuries and stuff that he's been through. And he's just like, you know, I, at the time, this was years ago, so I'm kind of paraphrasing, but at the time he's just like, you know, it's what i do yeah like you're kind of too far in at that point you know yeah yeah i was like and i talked to ronda uh patrick and i was like this is many years ago we were talking about omega-3s they get for tony and just like stuff that we could potentially do to like you know give him some brain health you know it's it's tough he's he's he's seen some damage yeah have you ever seen his shins oh they must be terrible i haven't they're beat up dude it's like he's like he's like a muay thai fighter yeah i have so much respect for that dude i mean talk about somebody that the last time i saw him was probably six months ago we went to this donut place so that was opening up and he had a cane with him what and he's like yeah he was like well he had just had surgery oh i see i'm like how you doing man he's like ah you know they just opened me up put a few more screws in he's like i'll be i'll be skating like and you know it's like the dude just has no fear.

1:08:26Like, there's like no, he's just like, ah, they just opened me up, put a few screws in, and I'm going to go back at it. Like, what the fuck, dude? Good for him. You're already the goat, you know what I mean? Well, it's like Laird Hamilton, same with surfing, right? He's just like, yeah, get patched up, I'm back out there. Broke my leg on a 100-foot wave in like 17 places, yeah, that's fine. They'll just stitch it back together. I'll be out in two months. It's just insane, dude. I'm not built like that. You know, side note, and This is not to make a blanket recommendation because that would be really irresponsible, but I saw a presentation, I'm not sure if it's publicly available, on a scientific study that examined psilocybin, so what is considered the active component.

1:09:17Everyone knows what that is. Yeah, some do. Some do in psilocybin mushrooms or different types of mushrooms, so magic mushrooms. In Parkinson's patients for the minimizing or reversal of symptoms. And it's very compelling. So I do think that psychedelics, it's unclear exactly what type to me at least. Maybe they are the tryptamine psychedelics. Maybe they are, who knows, maybe it has something to do with the serotonin type 2A receptors. I'm not sure. That's beyond my pay grade, but I will say that for those who are interested, if they can find this research, which could be very preliminary, who knows, maybe it's pilot study type of status, but looking at psilocybin as applied to Parkinson's patients.

1:10:14I do think it's, from a neurogenesis perspective, I find it one of the more promising avenues of exploration. I do think for people with TBI, I do think psychedelic assisted therapies are very interesting. I would say psilocybin, probably one of the better researched molecules and worth investigating. Ibogaine, also very interesting, but it has cardiac implications. There are cardiac implications. The Nolan Williams I mentioned earlier has looked at ways to mitigate some of the cardiac risk. Both of those are very, very, very interesting. Psilocybin at this point probably being the more versatile of the two, just from a safety profile perspective, but I'm very optimistic about, for those people who want to look at the edges of scientific inquiry, I'm very optimistic, actually, in a way that I wasn't, say, 10 years ago, in how we might contend with neurocognitive decline, right, or neurodegenerative disease.

1:11:25I'm actually much more optimistic than I was 10 years ago. um have you did you happen to invest in paul stamets new company i did not i'm not doing a whole lot of investing and i haven't we did it true ventures you did good and he he's got a new new company that uh they're doing studies and and hopefully when this stuff gets legalized we'll we'll see what happens yeah paul stamets knows his stuff man you know paul stamets he's one of a kind he's a he's a great human being in my experience all my experiences with him we actually just last week, maybe in the last two weeks, he and I did a challenge grant to raise money for the Amazon conservation team to buy historically indigenous land to return it to certain tribes in Columbia, including the Kogi and a handful of others.

1:12:14They're not in the Amazon, they're at higher altitude in the north and a handful of others. And then ACT equips them with training to be able to sort of monitor and report on their territory because it's not really enough just to secure land rights and paul was generous enough to along with my foundation to issue the challenge so we just did that together in the last two weeks paul knows his stuff he really really knows his stuff i i feel very confident in saying that smart guy he's got some great TED Talks as well. We're checking out. All right. Should we move on? Let's move on. So I'll mention something that's sitting outside.

1:12:58I can see it from here that people might be interested in. So I've been, and still am, a fervent believer in cold therapy, using ice baths as a means of controlling inflammation as a means of mood elevation that lasts on the mood elevation big time unbelievable and generally my approach has been to get a chest freezer of some type and fill it with ice etc and that works but they get really disgusting really quickly and they all do dude i bought one of the machines a real pro yeah and And then you're stuck with this thing that is an eyesore and you don't know what to do with it. You can't move it.

1:13:42I tried to sell it. I couldn't. Yeah. Yeah. So I ended up, because I realized how significant a lever this is for improving my quality of life, just on a daily basis. And I'll backstep for a second and just say one thing that I learned from Tony Robbins, to give him credit, and I don't know if he came up with this, but is this sequence of state story strategies. So it's like fix your state first. Only then can you come up with an enabling story and only then can you come up with an effective strategy. If you're like feeling shitty and you're sleep deprived and you're kind of depressed or anxious or whatever, you try to come up with a strategy, meaning how to fix something, you're not going to come up with a good strategy, generally speaking.

1:14:25So it's like fix your physical state first. then you can come up with an enabling story then come up with an effective strategy so the state piece is very important there aren't that many ways i have found to change state exercise is one but it requires generally a fair amount of time heat is also effective but again requires say it doesn't sound like a much but it's like 15 to 30 minutes let's just say in a sauna very effective cold is the fastest it's just the fastest for me and i've gone without cold therapy because i've not wanted to get some huge chest freezer or a pro model i am also going to be getting a pro model but they get all scummy though and then you got to put chlorine in them yeah there's all that it's a lot but i went on amazon and i found something called the cold pod which you set up in like five minutes you fill it with water from a hose you put ice in and it works perfectly well as a cold plunge and i i ended up buying a yeti cooler to store ice in so i have a few days of ice and it's uh let's see what would it be it would be like if you were standing maybe it's hip height and it's probably three feet in diameter and you get in you just kind of crouch in there and it works fucking great it works really well and it costs like 150 or 200 bucks maybe i don't know maybe it's 100 bucks it's not crazy 169 there you go and i've been really impressed with this thing it's very basic and even when it's been very hot outside like you put in two bags of ice and you let it sit for 20 minutes, it's going to get pretty cold.

1:16:14It's not going to be 30 degrees, but it's probably going to be mid-50s depending on how much water you have in there. Pro tip, the more water you have in there, the more ice you're going to need to cool it. So don't fill it all the way up to the top. Fill it up like halfway and then add the ice. And it's been a game changer for me. It's a plastic trash can, dude. Well, no, it's not a plastic trash can. I mean, props to whoever made this shit, because it probably cost like 15 bucks to build one of these. Yeah, it's not a trash can. Just to be clear, I mean, look, we're not talking about a fucking Maserati.

1:16:47But here's what's nice about it. It's very easy to set up. It's not a trash can, because that makes it sound like it's like mid-chest height and hard. It's easy to pack. You can actually travel with it if you want to travel with it. So I would just say for people who have – How do you travel with it? oh it's super easy man you like it folds up yeah it folds up you stick it in a bag and take it with you it's super easy put in your hotel room yeah the hotel loves 50 gallons of water spilling out so for those people who have perhaps heard about the benefits of cold therapy but have avoided it because it's too expensive it's too time consuming whatever this is a way to test it and i would just say this is a low hurdle way to test it out and i used it earlier today it's fantastic changed my day so that's the cold bud and there are a bunch of other options that look basically identical i just went with the one with the best reviews nothing fancy i need something like this because i don't want to commit to like sterilizing my water that's always been the problem with these things right i just want something i can get into but how many bags of ice do you really need to pull this off uh i'd have to go look at the bags that are in the yeti right now i mean you need like six no well it depends on the size of the bag right i would say i'm guessing i have no idea if this is accurate two 20 pound bags of ice probably okay so something like that assuming that it is about half full if you fill it up to the brim you are making a mistake because now to lower the temperature you're going to need a larger volume of ice but if we're talking about let's just say it's halfway up and then you put in two 20 pound bags of ice you're set so with a with a yeti cooler and this thing i am good to go i got a question for you kev kev have you ever read poetry this is a hard left yes yeah what do you read it's more i shouldn't say it's poetry i've done it's tweets no no no i'm gonna send you the book that i have found that i i started reading recently that was fantastic but i i've dabbled horton hears a who no no i've had a couple books that i picked up but they're mostly haiku books like for me haiku is kind of my poetry yeah sure i mean it's sort of in the zone right it it's in the zone i like haiku because it's just like it really has to hit it really has to it really has to hit though you know what i mean like you got three lines like you get a pull something pretty amazing you know speaking of that sci-fi writer it's like it really forces you to have something really dense and and and trigger make the mind leap you know in those three lines as i say in haiku it's a strong strong constraint yeah for sure yeah i was i was wondering because i've been uh delving strongly back into poetry and that ethan hawk nine minute ted talk which is very informal but don't let it fool you he he prepared for it the giving yourself permission to be creative he talks about poetry and he mentions and i'm gonna butcher this but he says, you know, no one really cares about poetry or you wonder why on earth people would read poetry until you have something happen.

1:20:25It could be something tragic like the death of a parent. It could be something incredibly joyous like the birth of a child. And you wonder, has anyone ever felt this way before? How am I going to get through this? Or how should I think about this? And then poetry becomes really relevant or it can become really relevant. And I've been delving back into Mary Oliver. I read her collection Devotion, and I recently bought a small collection called DreamWork, which I haven't finished. So in disclosure, if you read it and you hate it, I'm not going to take the blame for it. I also have reread now multiple times this collection of newly translated Rumi called Gold by Halaliza Gafuri, who is particularly interesting to me because she is a poet herself in English, but she's also a native Farsi speaker.

1:21:23So she can go back to the source material, the original, and translate effectively. And what many people don't realize is that many versions of translated poetry are not actually directly translated. They take some earlier English translation from like the 1920s or something, and then they turn it into better poetry. But now you have a leap from, say, Farsi to English to English, which is like a game of telephone. Things get distorted. Whereas she can go directly. So Gold, this very short collection of Rumi poetry, I've reread a number of times. And this particular poet, I have not read this yet, but you can see this.

1:22:11It says, Time is a Mother by Ocean Vuong, V-U-O-N-G, which I assume is Vietnamese. I read his first book, which blew my mind. I'm not sure why I was drawn to it. I bought it as an impulse purchase at some Barnes & Noble in New York City. and i think it was probably the title the the title was night sky with exit wounds which is a great fucking title it's so good and i had this like family that's a great fucking title i love the title like that yeah and it was like a family photo on the front and i was like what the fuck is going on here so i picked it up and i will warn people in advance trigger warning for some people there are some very graphic sex scenes in this poetry book so there's that but i was so impressed i have not read his new collection yet but night sky with exit wounds and apologies to the author if i'm butchering your name i was very impressed and what I loved about it also is that I'm generally reading the words of dead poets generally oh my god do you know what I mean like I'm always reading the words of dead poets and this is a contemporary I would guess that this author is younger than I am and it still put me into the cosmic philosophical washing machine okay and fucked me up and I was like okay All right.

1:23:50Nice. Can I give you a couple recommendations then if you're into this? Yes. There's a book called Japanese Death Poems. Fantastic. I was gifted that by a friend of mine who used to be Marine Force Recon. And it's fucking amazing. Yeah. How did you find that book? There's haiku in there as well. It was part of my whole discovery of haiku. No, I know. But how did you discover that? I'm curious before you get to the next one. How did you find it? Oh, I'll tell you how. I read a book called Three Simple Lines, which Henry Shookman, Zen master that you've had on the podcast, recommended to me. And he's at this – Natalie Goldberg is the author.

1:24:27She was the author of this book called Down the Bones. I think it's called – Writing Down the Bones. Writing Down the Bones. Writing Down the Bones. That's right. Writing Down the Bones. That is a great book. Great book. She has a book called Three Simple Lines, which is about haiku. Huh. And it's fantastic. Okay. It's a really good book. That got me into haiku. That got me excited about a bunch of other of the greats, like Basho and Busan, like some of the best Japanese haiku writers. The OGs. OG crew. So I bought a book called The Sound of Water, and then that led me to the Japanese death poems.

1:25:03And then there was one other one that I wanted to tell you about that is really awesome, which is Chiyo... I'm going to mess up the Japanese pronunciation. It's Chiyo-ni. are you familiar with c-h-i-y-o chiyoni n-i is that how you would say that no i don't know i'd have to look it up uh what is that okay so so she is a japanese woman haiku master and so if you go and look up basically haiku masters back in the day probably would come to no surprise were all men and so she is one of the very few that like was taken in and like broke out and became a japanese haiku master and so it's just a really kind of awesome story and you get some haiku from a female back in those days which is you know a long time ago super rare super rare yeah super Super, yeah, I am reading.

1:26:03Okay, so I think it's Fukuda Chiyoni. That's her name. Fukuda. Fukuda, which means, I guess, like, fortuitous rice patty. Fukuda Chiyoni. That's amazing. It's like a thousand era. Ooh, my kanji are failing me right now. Ni, I'm blanking on. Was a Japanese poet of the Edo period and a Buddhist nun. She was widely regarded as one of the greatest poets of haiku. And then hoku, I don't know what that is. Some of Shio's best works include The Morning Glory, Putting Up My Hair, and Again, The Women. Fascinating. Okay. Yeah, I've not had any exposure to her. Yeah, definitely worth picking up. I think, holy shit, she began writing haiku at seven.

1:26:44By age 17 had become very popular all over Japan. That's nuts. Considering that she was born in 1703. so right to be born in 1703 and by 17 as a woman in japan yes to be famous all over japan that's bananas right and i had seen some of her work in these other books and it was just mind-blowing and i'm like who is this woman and then i did similar to what you did probably a year ago where i read the wikipedia entry or whatever and i was like holy shit she was a badass all right i'll Check it out. So is the name of the book then Shioni? Is that it? Yeah, it's Shioni Woman Haiku Master. That's the one I purchased.

1:27:29There could be others about her, but that was the one that I had purchased, which is probably just a compilation of her works. Cool. So other books I'll throw out there for people interested. I recently listened to, I've been doing a lot of audiobooks recently, Coyote America. And I think the subtitle is a natural and supernatural history which i believe is by dan flores yes coyote america a natural and supernatural history and it's got 4.6 on amazon with more than 1500 reviews and it's a biological natural evolutionary history of the coyote, but also a supernatural, aka mythological, history of coyote and the significance of coyote in different indigenous traditions.

1:28:25And it goes through the entire span of history, also drawing, most interestingly, I think, parallels between the evolution and adaptation of Homo sapiens and the evolution and adaptation of coyotes. It's uncanny. I'm not going to lie to you. This sounds horrible. It sounds horrible. Okay. Sorry. You love coyotes. So judgy. You love wolves. Coyotes would be first, probably. Wolves would be second. What's the one that licked you in the mouth? Those were wolves when I spent time with the Arctic wolves. I mean, gray wolves, but from Canada. That's crazy. They'd licked you right in the mouth. Yeah, on the teeth.

1:29:06That's the greeting. By the way, folks who may wonder, wolf head, not the same as a dog head. They are fucking humongous. They could put your entire head in their mouths. They are not the same as dogs. But I would say coyotes, I would identify more with coyote. And it's a fascinating history to recognize how adaptive both humans, in the sense of homo sapiens, and coyotes have been over time. I mean, humans attempted the most systematic extermination of coyotes as a species, unlike any other species in the history of humankind. I mean, we're talking about millions upon millions upon millions of poison bait traps and so on set and despite that coyotes have proliferated and adapted beyond anyone's wildest imaginations now part of that is from the removal of their check and balance which is gray wolves so there's the removal of the gray wolf as the apex predator which then has resulted in part in this proliferation of coyote populations.

1:30:27But because they were never the top predator, they have a wariness and caution about them that makes them very hard to kill. Furthermore, when they're under pressure, their litter size increases. Isn't that wild? Is it like an evolutionary adaptation? When they're under threat, they go from having, I'm making this up, but let's just say three pups per litter to like six or seven pups per litter. Oh, crazy. Isn't that wild? It's a fascinating book. It's really, really interesting. And also interesting from the lens of looking at how we have historically looked at coyotes as a reflection of the aspects of ourselves that we were least willing to accept.

1:31:20super interesting going all the way back to mark twain who i love mark twain however on the particular account of coyotes created a whole ton of fucking damage and craziness but it was a good book it was a good book especially the first half i would say you know what i wish there was this is just me being a random two glass and a half in a podcast or it's a random show you know what'd be fun is like i'm just making this up i like product ideas wouldn't it be cool if you could say hey i'm tim at 7 p.m tonight i'm gonna listen to this coyote book for an hour and we could all tune in and like listen and at the same time and like see comments and chat and stuff like that and there would be no voice.

1:32:11It wouldn't be disruptive. We're just all listening. It would be like you could say one thing per five minutes or whatever or give a heart or something when you'd like a certain segment of it or something. There'd be something pretty powerful about that. That would be super fun. I think people really dig that. Especially if they knew that you were kind of listening at the same time. I love that idea. I love that idea. Anybody from Audible is out there. Yeah, being synchronous and connected in that way. Do tech it's like it's amazing yeah that's not what i was gonna say i mean it is amazing amazingly good and amazingly bad i mean we are more connected than we have ever been in terms of communication and more isolated and lonely than we have ever been ah holy shit what a situation good point all right let's get through we're an hour and a half in but i've got some crazy shit to tell you so well let's go to crazy town come on kevin rose you've been holding out you and I have been supplement geeks for a while.

1:33:12You more so than me for many, many years. You got me onto some crazy shit early on. Always give credit back to the Tim Ferriss for the earliest. You got me into everything, man. All the HGH and stuff. And you were shooting me up with... Fecal matter transplants from Tasmania. Fecal transplants. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, all the ketamine suppositories. Just the best. I mean, I just did one before we started the show. So, you know, feeling it. All right. So a few things that I, is that a thing by the way? Do people come in the other way? Oh yeah. They booze the K up the bunk. Do they? It's a thing. Yeah.

1:33:45I think it's kind of ridiculous, but people like any excuse to take drugs up the bunk. This is also like a constant through human history. Yeah. Go figure that one out. Do you have a book about it in coyotes? The four hour coyote spaz story. Yeah. I don't really want to see the coyote up the bunk. That sounds uncomfortable. It does. let's go straight into for everybody involved a few of the things that I wanted to mention were you've cut back on supplements is that fair to say over the years? because you used to when I went to your medicine cabinet one time there was like a thousand things in there yeah I mean less than I used to for sure I mean I still take more supplements than anyone else I know except for maybe you tell me Peter Peter's you tell me how many of these you agree with or you take or you're curious about okay Number one, I found that collagen for us getting older is legit in terms of reducing visible lines, just general skin health.

1:34:45Do you take collagen? This is going to sound funny. Collagen makes me kind of itchy. I don't know why. It makes me like I get kind of itchy. Yeah. So I do take collagen. I think it's very interesting also as a flooding dose prior to resistance training. And people can look this up. taking collagen prior to stimulating, say, a location of injury is very, very interesting. Okay. But I hate being really fucking itchy, so I don't take it too much. So two things. Ron DePatrick puts together a great data kind of analysis of all the different published studies that are out there, and there's really strong evidence around just general skin elasticity as you get older, and then obviously joints in general.

1:35:29If you're running any of that of stuff. Just really healthy joint stuff. Great Lakes, no affiliation. Brand that Rodda takes. I'm a fan of them. Your cheeks look like a newborn's buttocks. Is that from the collagen? They look very voluptuous. One other thing before we get off the collagen train, bone broth. Okay. Okay. So Brodo, which you know Marco, right? Yeah, I do. Of course I know Marco. Marco, James Beard award-winning chef, best chef in New York City. Amazing. He's been on my podcast. Yeah. Amazing guy. He's fantastic. He's fantastic. Here's the cool thing is I talked to him. Brodo Forever was his broth company where he shipped you frozen broth to your house.

1:36:09And I used it all through COVID. It was fantastic. It's like the best broth, kills everything on the shelves that I've been a part of that I've tasted. He figured out a way to get it so that he doesn't have to add any preservatives, no concentrates or nothing, but shelf stable. So it's fantastic. And it is, these are single servings. You rip them up and put them in the cup and there's a one minute in the microwave and you're good to go. It's my go-to broth. Broto is fantastic. Broto.com, no affiliation, not invested, just a friend. All right. You ready for two more things? Let's go ahead and inhale.

1:36:47So I'll also mention, and this is a little self-interested because I'm one of the largest investors in this company but so he has also played around with bone broth from axis deer from maui which is from maui nui venison which i'm very involved he has and the collagen and protein levels are fucking bananas they're like off the charts to the point where people think there are errors in the lab reports it's really really wild would they do pills of that? Because that would be really interesting in pill form. Yeah, I don't think so. Right now, it's just whole food or nothing, which I kind of like because it forces you to do a little bit of work.

1:37:29But Marco is the master of broth. M-O-B. He really is. He really is. Yeah. Try out Broto, 100%. If you live in New York, by the way, he's got physical locations where you can go and get these broths in cup form, like if you're going to a cafe. And you'll know, anyone in New York will tell you like it's the best. It's just legit. All right. A couple more things, three more things real quick. Aesop, you know, the brand Aesop. Yeah. What is that? They make little tiny baby hand sanitizers now and they smell amazing. AESOP. Okay. Yeah. Do you not know this brand? No, I do know the brand. What are you using your hand sanitizer for?

1:38:10No, just like, you know, when you're in Ubers and shit, you know, you just got a little hand sanitizers i got kids you know okay so i just want to throw that out there i have no affiliation next thing is creatine fucks up my stomach yeah it really does gives you yeah potential for disaster pants high it's just all kinds of things are wrong with creatine but as someone that works out you want to take it because you know you get a little boost in the gym and all that good stuff have you ever tried this stuff right here crealcal and yeah i've got some in the bathroom do you really yeah i do it's buffered creatine yeah dude it eliminated all my stomach issues anyway i thought yeah so it's it's done by now sports if you've had issues taking creatine and you're working out and you want to take some i just want to throw it out there is something that is good you want to hear a horrifying story that i would never tell you if i were sober oh of course so i was in san francisco and uh i was rushing to prepare for an international flight long international flight i can't remember where i was going but it was a long flight and 12 plus hours kind of deal yeah that kind of deal and uh i was running around running around and i had like two double espressos i had some espresso machine had like two double espressos a bunch of magnesium and a whole shit ton of cream going like four grams five grams some stupid amount like unnecessary amount and thought that was a good idea for whatever reason so i'm driving to the airport i'm like oh god my stomach doesn't feel so good and i'm like oh i'm kind of gassy oh not feeling so great and so you know i did a little lean and just promptly shit all over myself oh so bad and i'm like all right are you in an uber no no i'm driving myself to like long-term parking and i'm like okay so i'm like wow this is this this is a disaster what do i do here you bust out the the the luggage yeah no this is when i wish i had your asop hand sanitizer and so I'm on my way and I'm just like all right how do I find the silver lining in this because this is so bad and I'm gonna be late to my flight I might miss my flight and I call one of my close friends I'm not gonna mention my name because I'm like this is the one guy who's gonna find this funnier than anyone else so I call him and I'm like you will not believe what just happened and I explain the whole thing and of course he gets like extreme to light out of this whole situation which like gives me some redeeming aspect to the whole thing i get to the long-term parking garage and like what do i do here so i take off my underwear wipe myself down with my underwear chuck it under some other car and run to my flight and with no underwear on with like long pants obviously and then sit down for like a 12-hour flight smelling like i've just taken a tumble through a fucking slaughterhouse were you economy at that stage oh yeah this was like middle seat economy for 12 hours kind of thing oh it was so bad i mean it was bad for me it was embarrassing but it was like bad also for everyone around me and yeah and i'm not proud of this but i've had enough uh domain tempier to uh confess my sins everyone's had a close call if not a fatal disaster in this domain.

1:41:44Yeah, if you've had enough creatine and caffeine, don't lie to me. You've had disaster pants at some point. Either you saved it and you slid into home or you had absolute triage where it was a disaster. Tim, you mentioned Aesop for you wish you had some during this occasion. Maybe they'll want to be a sponsor. You could probably cut this little story out and use it and be like, Like, you know, I shit myself one time, and if I only had ASAP and sanitizer, the whole plane would be happier. You know, I think that'll be one of their highest converting ads of all time. Exactly. I have something to show you as an artifact, physical artifact.

1:42:25So this is the latest Cockpunch coffee. I'm not sure if you can see it. It's very pretty. It's very, like, reflective and gorgeous. That is beautiful. That's a lot of Cockpunch. How big is that bag? uh this bag is how many ounces is this let's say this is 10 ounces so we got the cock punch sort of miami vice magenta and teal type colors on the front we got all the greater houses on the side we got the eightfold arena icon on that opposite side which is also for the clerics house nemos and then we got the sort of description of the back qr code to like the whole story and then we have the upc which means that this is retail ready so i will have some announcements in the not too distant future related to some buy some more your nfts this coffee holy shit i've never been a meth addict and i don't want to trivialize it but when i was testing for this i didn't understand how real coffee masters and baristas test coffee so i was doing multiple cups of coffee for every variation that i tested oh yeah and i was drinking like 12 cups coffee a day i was so cracked out it was uh not ideal but i did test dozens and dozens of varieties and ultimately ended up on ethiopian yeah oh yeah yeah for sure this is bombay sadama ethiopia this is ethiopia mother station wash ethiopian coffees are just like so chill yeah they're like nobody's offended everyone just loves them they're just right down the fairway they're they're not too heavy not too light they just give you a good flavor profile like nobody's not too oily this is also medium blend and i want to give credit where credit is due this is roasted on a bellwether so bellwether is all electric the lowest carbon imprint coffee that you can purchase it's all electric which also makes it very replicable which is super interesting right because when you're using analog roasting technology there's a pretty high degree of variants.

1:44:45Whereas with Bellwether, and Bellwether is B-E-L-L-W-E-T-H-E-R, it is all electric. So you can dial in the specs and really replicate on demand, which is impressive to me. I've been very impressed with their consistency. I got to say on the whole conversation we had earlier about the Cockpunch name, if you go the route of stimulant drinks slash male enhancement, And you're fucking sad. Oh, yeah. It's right down the fairway. Yeah. Yeah. And the cock punch pills at the 7-Eleven behind the counter that just gets you going. Yeah, right. Right at the impulse purchase realm, right next to five-hour energy.

1:45:30It's like, do you need a lift? Cock punch. Cock punch. Yeah. And also, all of my proceeds are going to the foundation. So they go directly to early stage science and all that stuff. That new jet that you guys bought for your foundation? he's beautiful you're such a prick did you get a g6 i do not have a jet for the foundation kevin is punching me in the nuts as per usual hashtag okay all right what else you got two more things to say so one thing and i'm this one here i'm about three months into testing it's called one skin and i am not a person that goes out and buys like skin products but i have said as i've gotten older, like, you know, you think about your crow's feet and all the other shit you have going on, like eyebrows and all that stuff.

1:46:17Eyebrows are fine, but I don't know why. Like, right here, this part right here. No wine involved in this podcast. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. But what got me interested is this is a, the isolated, this is a very science-driven team that isolated a peptide that clears out senescent cells. Okay. Like, euthanizes all the people in this senior living home, basically, from a cell perspective? Pretty much. It makes all the bad cells die and all the fresh ones live and lines go away. I think this is all bullshit. But here's the thing. Rhonda Patrick was the first one to talk about it because she was convinced by the science.

1:46:55And then David Sinclair also tweeted about it because he was really convinced by the science. And I'm like, listen, these are two people that are way above my pay grade that on the science side, I respect. And if they're talking about this peptide and they're liking the kind of peer-reviewed articles that are coming out about or science is coming out about it, I'm going to pay attention. And so I pick some up and I'm like three months in and I'm starting to notice little tiny changes just like in skin quality and less bumpiness that I would have and more just kind of like supple. I've also had a lot of pizza lately, so I probably have a fat of cheese in there.

1:47:30You look very supple. Plump. Yeah, pleasantly plump. But I would say that in general, I'm pretty impressed. So I just want to throw that out there. I'm not the scientist, but a couple amazing scientists have already recommended this. What's the name of this thing? One Skin. One Skin. O-N-E. One Skin. I'm not an investor. Yeah. Just O-N-E Skin. And they don't have this extensive product line of all these things. There's three things you can buy, like a cleanser, an eye cream, and an illusion. I like that. I honestly, more and more, I like a few SKUs. It's like if you have a thousand things, I'm like, all right, you're lining your pipeline with all this shit to feed me as a customer.

1:48:08but it's like if you have like one two three things all right you're really focused on refining that product i have a buddy that had lost a bunch of weight lately and had a bunch of kind of like lines in his neck and so he started applying a bunch of the stuff to his neck and he's like i'm noticing some results and i was like this is kind of interesting it's worth like letting other people try and see what they think you know my crow's feet are like fucking brontosaurus feet at this point they're out of control dude you should try it on one eye for three months that would be fucking cool right yeah that's what happens that's actually that's a great idea try to one eye and on your dates you're like real fucked up like i just want the crow's feet pirate that'd be great just one eye your date's like oh something's going on what what was it called all right no no no one skin it's one skin yeah all right anyway lastly this is a peter atia recommendation i wanted to really clean clean clean clean protein for when i make shakes and work out you probably know about ProMix, right?

1:49:05No, I don't know anything about him. Oh, so this is Atiyah's favorite protein, or at least it was as of a couple months ago. Is he an investor in ProMix? I don't think so. No. It's called ProMix. The founders, I was reading up on who's behind it, and it's just insanely, insanely clean. Grass-fed, hormone-free cows, minimally processed. There's a lot of them that are out there like this, but I know Atiyah has a whole SWAT team of people that do all the due diligence for him when he's considering anything new. And if he's going to say something's interesting, I pay attention. And they actually make these little tiny bars that are whey protein, like little rice crispy treats kind of thing, but they don't spike your glucose because I wear my continuous glucose monitor.

1:49:47And it puts on, I think it's either 15 or 20 grams of protein. And so I just have those as snacks I travel with as well. So ProMix is his favorite protein as of the last time I chatted with him. So ProMix. And then do you want to mentioned this rice cooker i think that might be interesting oh yeah yeah so i found a rice cooker i don't have a link to it in front of me but there was a rice cooker that i stumbled upon so i love rice you know but for me as someone that's delicious so good it's so good and tim like back in the day and you'll remember this quite well but when you were into continuous glucose monitors and then you got me into them shortly after you used to have to like manually inject yourself with that big ass syringe do you remember to put those in that oh so bad it was like it was like a barbecue forked tong you know to stick into your abdomen yeah really bad and you would watch the needle go in there was like no quick action you had like push it in then push it out and then we get this continuous glucose monitor and this is like you know whatever 10 years ago you started doing it i thought you were crazy and then i like copied you like two months later and started doing it three months later started doing it and one of the things i noticed and I've noticed since my entire time doing CGMs is that rice is my biggest offender.

1:50:59If I eat a cup of rice, my shit is through the roof on the glucose side. And everybody's different. Everybody has different microbiome. There's a whole slew of factors on what happens here. But here's the interesting thing. Toshiba, who is a trusted brand, came out with a quote-unquote low-carb rice cooker. And I was like, what the fuck is this? Like low-carb, like that's bullshit, right? We all know rice is high-carb. What are they talking about, brown rice? You know, like all this shit, right? Even brown rice spikes me, by the way. So I went, I did the research and what they've done is they created this clever little basket.

1:51:29They figured out that a typical rice cooker, 99.9 % of rice cookers, you pour the water in, cook the rice, it stews in its own water, and your rice is done. You scoop it in your bowl. A bunch of the starch, call it like 70 or so percent of it, is released in that water during the process of actually making and cooking the rice. So Toshiba invented a new rice cooker. They call it their fuzzy logic technology rice cooker that has a basket that lets all of the starchy water drain to the bottom and you end up with a much lower glycemic load. It cuts the carbs by 34%, sorry, 37 % reduction in carbohydrate.

1:52:10And dude, I ate a cup of rice and I'm telling you, I can see it on my CGM. It does not spike me nearly as much as the full rice, which I thought was pretty awesome. I wouldn't have believed this in anyone else, but Toshiba came out with it. And I was like, okay, if Toshiba's going to put their name behind it, they must have done the research. Yeah, they're a big dog. It's$179. If you want to just cut a little bit of carbs out of you or rice is a big offender for you, it works with the oatmeal. It works with the whole slew of brown rice, white rice, quinoa, the whole range of things. Anyway, I just thought it was really cool.

1:52:42It's got 1 ,852 ratings with four and a half out of five stars, 4.6 stars out of five. So people love it. 300 plus have bought it in the last month. Let me ask you this taste wise. Is it as good? I couldn't tell the difference. Okay. Little bit on the texture, little tiny bit on the texture, but like call it a maybe five to 7 % Delta from what you're normally experiencing on rice. So it's, you're not pissed. It's fine. Yeah. Nobody's complaining. That's a big deal. It's a big deal. I fucking love rice. There are so many carbs i'm like whatever i can do without it i love rice oh my god do i love rice when you go hog like full hog on something like cheat cheat night yeah what do you do i'll tell you what i did two nights ago it's all right i went with dorian we all right here you go martinis you go first i pulled out of the fridge i had this like mixed berry it was like a berry cookie ice cream or some shit and like do you feel like hell when you crush an entire pint of ice cream like i feel like I've just like have sinned beyond belief.

1:53:44Yeah. It's been a while since I've crushed a whole pint of ice cream. My weaknesses are super clear. My weaknesses are cheesecake. If so, my question for any wait staff is from one to 10, no seven allowed. How good is your cheesecake? And if they give me an eight, nine or 10, I'll do the cheesecake. There's cheesecake and then there's carrot cake. so those are my two oh my god but it has to be super moist and the icing has to be really really really good and i also can't have big chunks of carrot in it if it has big chunks oh i don't want like carrot cake is joke it's fucking cake right i mean no if it's got huge chunks of carrot like i'm not bugs bunny i don't need yeah i don't have a carrot deficiency do that though i've had some fucking carrots in there i'm not into it why is there chunks i'm not into it same no so those two i will always go for pint of ice cream and look if it's in front of me i'm sure i'll eat it if i've had especially two drinks like two glasses or more of any drink like tonight like tonight so martinis you mentioned martinis is it an old fucker thing that they end up turning to martinis because i have become more and more interested in martinis as my drink oh my god dude so here's the deal, dude.

1:55:04Martinis, the thing that is so beautiful about them is that if you order it correctly, it is spirit clean. So it's not like a heavy, like there's no sugar. So here's what I do. I say, give me a gin martini. I typically go with, I like the less botanical gins. So I'll do a Boodles or something that's just like less botanical. And then I'll add in two olives and i'll say extra dry extra cold and then you're good to go and just a tiny bit of vermouth so on the dry side rinse the glass with vermouth and then so it's mainly gin and you got those couple olives in there and you're good to go what is your opinion on espresso martinis i mean i only do those at like my friend's bachelor parties when you're like i'm gonna be out till 2 a.m because like otherwise caffeine fucks me like yeah manhattan speedball yeah i love espresso martinis i gotta be honest dude they're really good if you're on a date go to town son yeah that's a great way to go out and have fun i'm back on the field i'm not the young man i once was my chi has been diminished i need to compensate with caffeine tim you gotta move out here dude like this is like fertile ground you gotta come out here i don't know if i can deal with it i don't know if i can deal with it honestly it's too intoxicating it's like how much time do you want to spend falling down the rabbit hole with alice in wonderland i mean it's it's intoxicating do you think they're all kind of can we bleep something out if i say it yeah of course do you think they're all out here or do you think it's like do you think are they all that type of person or do you think it's like no i think there's some good people no no no not that she's a bad person said said it's gonna be amazing so i think there are amazing people it's just you have to really wade through and sort through a lot in la to get to the signal it's very hard what are you looking for what are you looking for in a relationship long term what are your like top go-tos like What do you want?

1:57:16What do I want? I want someone with... Don't say physical. I mean, the physical matters. Let's not fucking lie about it. Don't get me wrong. I know what you want in a physical. Look, Daria, I'll give Daria a compliment. Daria takes very good care of herself, right? Oh, dude, she works out two hours a day. It's like, that's not trivial. She's very... And it's for her as much as it is for you, but it's a significant... It's not for me. It's a significant thing, right? The physical practice is a significant thing. there's that. I mean, I like strong

1:58:17physically attuned to women. But if someone doesn't have a clear demonstrated ability to focus for at least a few years, I find that the relationship becomes this nitpicky project. Well, you don't want them also just like hanging on. It's got to be their own show too, right? They got not show, but you know what I mean? They got to have their own shit going on. They have to have their own shit going on. How should we wrap things up? I got way more things to talk about, but I know we've been going for a while. Well, I mean, I'll add one. All right. So let's take a departure from one more each. Yeah, sure.

1:58:48So I'll give one. So mine is an app. You can find it on browser, on laptop as well, called Airolo, A-I-R-A-L-O, which is for cellular data overseas. And it is the easiest, most reliable approach that I've found to cellular data overseas. So if you're going to any country, you can buy a cellular data plan, even if, for instance, in my case, Verizon may not support or... Oh, I can help you here. I got a better solution than this, but go ahead. All right. Well, I can't wait to hear. In the case of Verizon, like, yeah, they want to upgrade you, in quotation marks, all the time to like an unlimited data plan.

1:59:31But the cost question is open for me. So I've used Erlo, which I have been very happy with up to this point in time. So what's your better alternative? Here's something that most people don't know is that iPhones in particular, and I believe Android phones as well, they can support multiple SIMs. And at this point in time, they're called eSIMs because you don't actually need a SIM card. Yeah, so AirLo is an eSIM. Okay. So Google Fi is just insane because internationally, they give you coverage in just so many countries. I don't have the exact number, but I put on a secondary plan. So there's two things this helps you with.

2:00:09My main plan is Verizon. And I use that for data because they have good 5G. I use it for my main phone number. No, sorry. I don't use my phone number. I use it for data. I use my phone number at Google Fi because it's protected by two-factor authentication, all crazy security of Google Fi. So SIM swaps are very, you know, they just can't happen because there's not a person to call to trick it into doing a SIM swap. You have to actually log in with your Google account. So use that at Google Fi as your main number. Change the data to go to Verizon so you get the good data package because you can do this in the iPhone.

2:00:42So walk me through this just to back up. So I have a Verizon account. What do I do? Okay. So you want to transfer your number to Google Fi. How do you do that? Okay. Google Fi on the website will walk you through it. Okay. Now, Google Fi is not going to give you the best data. So what you then do is you say, okay, Verizon, I love you, but you're going to be my data only plan. And they charge like$20 a month or something for it. It's data only. Okay. Okay, so that's your eSIM that is data only. And then in the settings, you say, where do you wanna get your data from? And you say, I wanna get it from Verizon.

2:01:14And then you got the 5G network, you're in the United States, you're good to go, right? And then your security of your main phone number is locked down by Google Fi. So that's the most secure place that you can have it. Then when you go abroad, because Google Fi has all of these international connections, it's like over 200 destinations they say they have coverage on. It's insanely cheap. Their data plan is the cheapest there are out there. Then you go into your phone settings and say, switch my data from Verizon to Google Fi. So now you're Google Fi all the time when you're international. And one phone.

2:01:47You don't have to switch phones or anything. And so I have this little two-bar thing that goes on. They show you two bars on your phone when you do both of the plans. So it's great. I love it. Boom. So what is the infrastructure of Google Fi? How are they providing that data? They use multiple providers, but it's mainly T-Mobile in the United States. but it says that all plans include us canada and mexico unlimited plans and flexible plans data in 200 plus international destinations plus 5g in select countries and their 5g country list just keeps growing and growing it's great man every time i've ever flied anywhere international i just turn on google fi and i get like the highest speed it's fantastic it's so inexpensive amazing I'm on it.

2:02:31All right. So I'm taking notes too, folks. All right, Kevin, you said you had one more? Do you have something else? Yeah, last one. I've got a bunch of investing related stuff, but you can get that on my podcast, kevinrose.com. There'll be a link to the podcast at the top. But I would say the last thing, which is the absolute no-brainer right now, screw buying individual bonds. The rates are changing all the time. Vanguard, and this is not investment advice. This is just like me saying what I do personally. when I do my bonds, rather than do bond funds or crazy, like medium-term or long-term bonds, we don't want to screw with that given where rates are at.

2:03:09VUSXX is the Vanguard fund that I use. And I think it's a no-brainer in that it's 100 % treasury-based, so they buy US government treasuries. It's short-term bond fund. So all these banks right now are being like, hey, we'll give you 4.5%, we'll give you 4%, blah, blah. Screw that. Even though it may seem like a quote unquote high interest yield, you go set up a Vanguard account, buy this fund right now. And this obviously changes day by day, non-investment advice again. Right now it's 5.32 % compound yield on Vanguard with the smallest management fee. And they're just buying US treasuries. You're getting 5.3 % home run.

2:03:50It's just a no brainer. So that's what I'm doing on the bond side right now everything else index invested set it forget it except for in video uh i also think that uh there's some upside in in amd potentially on the low end ai side wait what hold on say that again do you say nvidia i think yeah yeah gpus i think it's going to three trillion i think it's going to plutonium it's like the new arms race listen ai is the shit it's not going away anytime soon it's not a fad this is not vr ar bullshit this is really going to change the entire world. NVIDIA is the dominant player in this space. The stock, if you look at it, it's scary as shit because the run-up has just been the most insane, steep climb you've ever seen.

2:04:32I think long-term, it's going to a$3 trillion company. It's at close to two, hovering at two right now. This is a growth play. This is not an angel investment. I hold some just because I like to hold a few individual stocks. I think AMD is a good cheap play for this. They still have a pretty high price to earnings ratio. And they also, I met with a good friend of mine that's an insanely smart PhD from MIT that is one of the earliest inventors of a bunch of AI, sold his company to Apple. I won't name him, but he told me that the problem with AMD is they have an underdeveloped software stack for AI, but they're rapidly trying to fix that because that is the biggest issue that AMD has right now.

2:05:11AMD is way cheaper than NVIDIA right now. So So if I was going to say, okay, I've got X number of dollars for an AI play, two things, dollar cost average your way in. So you're not buying the high, not buying the low. You're just spending a fixed amount of money over six months or so to slowly work your way into the market. If you don't know what dollar cost averaging is, Google search it. And then AMD would be like, if I put like 75 % in NVIDIA, put 25 % AMD, not investment advice. TSMC is the manufacturer of all the chips. TSMC makes NVIDIA chips, AMD chips. They are the backbone of this entire world when it comes to manufacturing CPUs, GPUs.

2:05:50The biggest concern there is they're in Taiwan, hotly contested China issues. I don't touch it because I worry about China. I talked to my buddy, my buddy that's really, really deep on the AI side, one of my most trusted advisors on the AI side. He said that, and this was a big shocker to me, he told me that Facebook invested in AI a few years ago and bought up some of the best engineers in AI. So he would not be surprised if Facebook unveils some crazy, shocking, amazing AI tech in the next six months to a year. And so I trust him. I'm not buying Facebook stocks. I think they're fucked up for a whole bunch of other reasons.

2:06:29They're spending way too much on VR and AR. But that was eye-opening to me. The other two big players is Google and Amazon. Google's only showing a little bit of their cards right now not revealing the whole thing bard their ai is insanely insanely locked down the real bard behind the scenes if you're at google it's a 10x improvement over what they have publicly available it's a lot better i'll give a wink yeah it's a lot better yeah last thing nt doi nintendo super mario brothers second highest box office sales out of all animated films the super mario bros amazing movie they're sitting in a fuck ton of ip so a nibble for me is nintendo i nibble because i see them playing with the universal studios could they be the next disney i don't know man zelda could be the next lord of the rings there's a lot of ip locked up there in nintendo i think that oh yeah that could be interesting that's fun yeah for people who that's it for me whoever are wondering also nintendo way back in the day nintendo used to make initially initially they made trading cards Hanafuda Hanafuda trading cards in Japan they still make so oishi yeah delicious they're just beautiful and delicious delicious yeah yeah yeah very beautiful all right man well fucking hey we've covered a lot that was great nice to see you buddy yeah good to see you brother this was fun anything else you'd like to say Kevin, you're going to point people to the new podcast.

2:08:02Yeah. I mean, just if you head to kevinrose.com, it'll be at the header there. I'll make sure it's up. And I appreciate you all for listening. I promise some wild, crazy moments and some fun stuff. So thank you for tuning in. Kevin is very, very, very, very good at his format. So check it out. And for the show notes from this, God knows what kind of mess my team will have to untangle. Team.blog.com slash podcast. You'll find links to all sorts of shit. and I'm sure. Aesop hand sanitizer for when you shit yourself. Exactly. Hashtag Aesop disaster pants. Sponsorship incoming. All right, guys. Thanks for tuning in.

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