#766: The Random Show — Lessons from Tim’s Sabbatical, Alzheimer's Breakthroughs, Kevin Tries a Medium, Fitness Tools and Protocols, Book Recommendations, and More

24:28Thank you. Yeah. They're going to do four of them in total. I had to get the package. You save some money. You got like 20 % off. It was a good package. So, you know, it's like for me, I'm like, dude, I'm fine getting old. If anyone's listening to this, be like, oh, they're being too vain or whatever. I'm fine with that. I don't care if I get wrinkles on that. That said, yeah, a couple more years of like, just like looking okay. It's like, It doesn't hurt anybody. It's natural. It's my own shit. Yeah, yeah. Totally. I don't know. So maybe – Helps with the dating life to begin with. Helps with the dating life.

24:56Well, yeah. Modern dating, you know, we don't have to spend a lot of time on it. A little bit though. Tell me what's it like on the other side. What's it like on the other side? Yeah, you went to Paris. Well, I went to Paris. How was that? And actually I want to give them a shout out. I stayed at – All the women in Paris? No, not all the women in Paris. I went to an artist's commune, effectively, or a utopian community. They might not like those descriptions. Like a den. Well, it's an old chateau called Fatopia. Like in that Monty Python and the Holy Grail where that guy gets stuck in that. Do you know what I'm talking about where he gets stuck in the castle?

25:29And they're like, we are all but 20 to 30-year-old women. Do you know what I'm talking about? And he's stuck in there. Yeah, I mean, that was the hope. But it was a broader spectrum of participants. And I have really been making an effort. And I think there's a religious war afoot, which is – well, there are many religious wars, right? There's like sleep training versus attachment style parenting. Right. People love factions and fighting. Yes. Another one is – and I've been thinking about writing a blog post about this. Let's just call it romance versus radical planning. So when I talk about some of the more systematic ways that I'm approaching dating, what some people will say is that's so unromantic.

26:08to which I usually reply now, what does romantic mean? Walk me through what a week of taking a romantic approach would look like. Usually they don't have an answer. What they mean is serendipity, et cetera. Exactly. And I am providing space for that, like going to Paris or outside of Paris to something like Fatopia, which was an amazing experience. But I think also if you are, let's just say, I'll think this out loud, But if you're in college or if you're in a company and you're right out of college, there's a lot of natural inbuilt serendipity. Or if you live in a place like Manhattan. Yeah. A lot of people are single around your age.

26:49Right. Exactly. Around your age. Around your age. You do social meetups all the time. You don't have things to do at night. You don't have kids yet. Exactly. So there's a lot of space for serendipity. Let's just say you already have inbuilt 30, 50, 60 % serendipity, where if you want to meet literally 100 plus new people a month. It's very easy. As you get older, as your friends, all due respect, beautiful face aside, age out basically. They're not going to be making introductions to maybe women who are in the age range I would be aiming for because I would like to have a few kids biologically.

27:21Yeah. So you're dipping down a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. Right. 20s. I mean, look, I'm sure. I mean, maybe in the 28 to 35 range, right? Somewhere in there. 36, you'd be like, all right, maybe. I want somebody who's ready, very ready, excited to build a family, also has a good sense of their own identity, feels confident in being good at having developed skills or passions in certain areas. I want them to feel very happy with what they've done so they don't have, say, resentment later if they feel like they've given up everything as it was just getting started. It's a great point. So you want someone that's kind of like they've probably even established a career at this point.

28:02That's what they've chosen to do. They're like they're confident who they are. They're like, OK, I'm, you know, mid 30s. I'm thinking about kids in the next couple of years, like that kind of situation. Yeah, exactly. OK. But I've realized, for instance, except I've gone on a few dates with lawyers or doctors in those age ranges. They've been through so much schooling. They're just getting out of the gate and starting to get traction. So it's very hard, I think, for a woman in that position to think about having kids in the next three years. right very hard right after so much investment in their education and career and so on so it's been a learning process i've met a lot of amazing people i think that frankly if i want to really double and triple down i just have to spend a bunch of time in a few major cities what's the biggest turnoff for you when you sit down on a date and somebody says something or does something like what's your what's your number one like anything like gonna work well there are a lot of little things, but I think most people would find these irritating, right?

29:01If someone's late repeatedly and they don't let you know until the time you're supposed to meet, that's just - I'm a very punctual person. That's just not being an adult, right? And I want to be with an adult who is responsible. If we're going to build a family together, I need to know you have your shit together. Interesting. That's fair. I feel the same way. Even like a buddy, if I'm running five minutes late, I'm like, hey, right around the corner, blah, blah. Yeah. And if someone's repeatedly late, it means they probably haven't operated in higher stress situations or environments because you get punished for that, right?

29:35Yeah. It doesn't work. So that'd be one. And also, I would say that for me, I'm looking for someone who is a complement, not a duplicate, right? I'm not like Tim Ferriss with long hair is my ultimate nightmare. Like, I don't hate to date that person. Right, right, right. No, we'd kill each other. Yeah. Right? So that varies person to person. But for me, that means someone – let's just say you have a spectrum, like a slider in the middle. This is my working theory. It seems to hold up. So if you had a slider in the middle, you have – let's just call it perfect androgyny. And we won't stumble over the terms.

30:11If you want exact definitions, just choose your own. But let's just say it's perfect 50-50 feminine masculine characteristics. And then as you move out in either direction, you kind of up 100 % masculine, 100 % feminine. I think good matches. Don't tell me you want 50-50. No, no, I don't want 50-50. What I've seen in couples that really, really work well is they tend to be equally distant from the center. Oh, interesting. And by the way, that's not a gendered thing. Like you could have, for instance, I know couples where like the male is really playful, A, B, and C, has characteristics that might be traditionally defined as feminine.

30:46wife is like COO runs the ship that's fine yeah but they're equally distant from that center point right and that equivalent polarity seems to work that is fascinating because I've had this conversation where I find that if you are so in the center and you're like 50 50 and no one is stepping up to be either masculine or feminine in a traditional kind of like male female role that we're talking about here. Obviously there's so many other ones out there. It's very confusing. Yeah. Cause you're like, well, either you do something or I need to do something, but it's like, what is this like this kind of like boring middle?

31:24Do you see what I'm saying? Yeah, totally. I mean, I think if you look at primates, you look at humans, it's like, we like to know sort of where we stand or like what we're supposed to do. What is our job? And so I think that can take a lot of different forms energetically. Like let's take gender out of it, like even within a company, right? Like if it's a pure flat meritocracy, no job titles, if things get amorphous, it's going to be very confusing. So I do think there's a comfort that can come that is hard to put words to with matched polarity, which again, it's not a gendered thing. It's more like a constellation of characteristics.

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33:20Should we shift gears a little bit? Yeah, let's do it. Thank God. Get me off the hot seat. Yeah, I was just going to ask how the Paris dating scene was. So I want to make a couple of recommendations. Yes, please. Do you know who Bobby Fingers is? Sounds familiar. Always a safe thing to say. I think I've heard of him. Yeah. Tell me more. So Bobby Fingers is one of my favorite discoveries on YouTube of the last decade. And he is one of the most unbelievably skilled artists, craftsmen, sculptor, polymaths. He's also hilarious and his writing is incredible. He's a performer and makes the most bizarre shit you've ever seen in your life.

34:03So they're like 10 to 30-minute long descriptions of him making something beautiful and then like hiding it by burying it somewhere. And there's one of the – let's say the scene with Michael Jackson where his hair catches on fire. And it's him building this entire diorama. There's one of the Mel Gibson DUI stop from way back in the day. And I would say that if you want to see something that I think is pure genius – So is this a video or what is this exactly? Yeah, it's a video channel. So if you go to Bobby Fingers, at Bobby Fingers on YouTube, you can find him on Patreon as well, patreon.com slash Bobby Fingers, youtube.com slash at Bobby Fingers.

34:45And this guy should have, in my opinion, hundreds of millions of views. What's he at now? Is it like bigger? I mean, for what he's doing, I think it is so hard to categorize that it hasn't had as much spread as it deserves. 195 ,000 followers. Still decent. Oh, he's doing well. Yeah. But I really feel a moral, maybe amoral slash immoral obligation to recommend people go check this out. Oh, this is amazing. There will be plenty to offend everyone, but it is so genius. And unlike anything I've ever seen in my life, I strongly recommend people check it out. And two of my favorites, there are many good ones, but I would say Michael Jackson or Mel Gibson are a great place to start.

35:23That's awesome. All right. I will check that out. Have you, by the way, were you doing a Zimpik in this shot or? Oh, wow. Look at that. Yeah. I'm so glad AI shaved my chest for me too. I am looking good. Dude, that is legit. Yeah. I mean, that's if you were 007. I mean, honestly, what's crazy to me about that. Is how much you actually look like that. How much, how great I look in those Speedos. But separately is the lighting. Yeah. It looks real. That's really. Makes you want to go back to the gym. I mean, why go to the gym when I can just put that up? Yeah, exactly. Actually, I've been training very hard recently and feeling very good.

36:02I'm not taking a Zempic, but I have been using a few different tools that I thought people might find interesting. So one, which was recommended to me by a two-time silver medalist in Olympic archery, Jake Kaminsky. I would also recommend people check out his channel if you want to learn anything about archery, especially recurve. he is amazing both as a performer proven performer but as a teacher so jake kaminsky with a bunch of eyes kaminsky he recommended the outdoorsman atlas trainer frame system so what is this i'll tell you the problem it solves so i own a bunch of rucking sacks these are backpacks i rocked with weights yeah and there are a few issues with the sacks that i've owned to date One is that they're usually a set weight.

36:50You can swap out these huge square plates. Secondly, they don't necessarily have a waist or kidney belt. So the weight is on your shoulders and not also share it on your hips. Right. And this particular system is effectively a frame hiking backpack that's very well constructed. Right. And it has plate loading on your back. So you can put Olympic plates on it. So any weight plates you might have in a gym or that you might buy at Dick's Sporting Goods or whatever that you could use for a barbell, you can slap onto this thing. Oh, that's amazing. So you can adjust it in amazing increments and then use progressive resistance.

37:28And do you want more weight on your hips? I know for like, don't get me wrong, like obviously like long-term 50-mile hikes or whatever, you want to get the weight onto the hips. You know, I got my DEXA scan done, which I'm sure you've done before. low radiation, calculates all different types of muscle and fat types and bone density. My bone density is going down. Yeah, me too. And one of the things that Atiyah told me and his staff was like, rocking, get weight on the bones so that you can like, you know, maintain that bone density. Yep. Why throw it on the hips when I leave it on the shoulders?

38:00All right. So there are a few reasons for that. The first is, we've talked about this a lot on this show and offline too. I've had, it's improved dramatically, but for the last two years, I mean, I've been plagued by incredibly painful, chronic low back pain. You've had back issues for a long time, dude. Especially the last two years to the point where there have been moments, say, a year and a half ago where I couldn't stand or sit for more than five minutes. Oh, jeez. Oh, that's right. You were carrying around that little ball or something that you put behind your back. Wasn't there something you had?

38:26Yeah, I still have that for really uncomfortable seats if I have to be on, say, a plane for a few hours or something like that. Use a little Pilates ball, which you can fold up and stick in your pocket. It's actually great for lumbar support. But the point is I am specifically training for a hunt that I have at the end of this month. I do not hunt often. The first hunt I ever did was for the four-hour chef long ago. That was 2012, but I would have done it probably 2010 or 2011. And I just feel very good about sourcing ethical clean meat with wild harvesting. And in this case, it's an elk hunt.

39:01I've done exclusively bow for probably close to 10 years now. But part of that - Well, some of the endangered species stuff you do, though, I just can't get behind. I just, for some reason, I just - I know. I don't know why you sent back my snow leopard pancakes. Yeah, exactly. No, in this case, you do it the right way. You get tags. Everything is wildlife management. But if you're going to do that, you're going to be at high altitude. You're going to be, in this case, it's called bivy hunting. I'm going to be carrying everything. How do you have so many flies in your pristine - It's one fly. It's Southern California.

39:29Recording studio. In any case - It likes you. I know. I love you too, fly. So you're going to be carrying basically your camp with you every day. And that's probably going to be between 9 ,000 and 12 ,000 feet above sea level. And then if you harvest an animal, you're going to be field dressing it, breaking it down into pieces. And you might be carrying an additional 50 pounds. You don't want all that on your shoulders. That would also be a very bad idea for me, not that you would do it anyway in that circumstance, to load that on my shoulders, which would place a lot of that on my lower back, which is compromised.

40:00I have some pathological issues with my low back and my SI joint. so I shift a lot of it to the hips. You are taking some of it on the shoulders. You don't have any meat Sherpas or anything that go with you? I think we might have one or two people who are there just to be part of the trip and might help with carrying, but you have to keep in mind, like if you take down a larger bull elk, you might have, I mean, hundreds of pounds of meat. How do you keep that meat fresh? There's a number of different, no, number of different ways you might approach it. Given the time of year and the elevation, it's going to get pretty cold.

40:33So a lot of folks first would hang the meat as they're sort of deconstructing the animal in the field and let it cool down. Then you put it into meat bags, which look like big socks, effectively. And then how they're going to actually protect that at camp or how they'll place it, etc., remains to be seen. I am always going out with people who are effectively professional outdoorsmen. I'm always the slow fat kid. Always. So part of the reason I'm training my ass off is to not completely embarrass the person who invited me. That's going to be awesome, though. That sounds fun. Yeah, it's great. So I'm doing a lot of rucking, also doing a lot of training on activating, say, glute medius, performus, hip internal and external rotators.

41:19And the more I do that, the less the obliques and other muscles turn on to compensate and stabilize the low back and the less low back pain I have. So that's been another big breakthrough in terms of the low back issues. But honestly, if you do some rucking, maybe some kettlebell swings once or twice a week, some pushups and some core work, you're done. Like you're really hitting everything. Yeah. I love rucking. Rucking has been kind of my three to five days a week, four miles each time with elevation. And it's just like, you just in an hour and a half, oh, we got a new refill coming in hot. What is this?

41:55Okay. Sorry. I know you like tequila, but I'm sorry. to pause. Yeah. This is called Fairbanks. Fairbanks. What's in it? Apricot liqueur. Oh, this is one of your favorites. I know this one. Yeah, this is like one of my... Yeah. Bitters and rye whiskey. Rye, apricot liqueur, and thank you. Bitters and rye whiskey. Oh, yeah. Appreciate that. Cheers. God, do some other stuff. Yeah, exactly. Tim has a board of flight after this. Here we go. Fireball shots. Yeah, fireball shots. Cheers, Kevin. Cheers. Cheers. There we go. Reaction shot. This is one of his favorite drinks to make. That's really nice.

42:35I know you said not too sweet. It's not too sweet. Isn't that good? And it has the fancy ice cubes too. Spirit forward for sure. Yeah, spirit forward. It's in my dating bio. Exactly. So Paris. Hold on, just tell me. Tell me what they look like because they've got a good fashion sense out there. Well, you know, part of what I was interested to see, I spent almost eight weeks in Europe was how does dating differ in different places in Europe? They're a little softer out there though. No, not necessarily. Not necessarily. No. So it varies tremendously by country, I would say. And of course, there's a huge range within each country.

43:09But say in dating in France is very different from dating in Madrid, which is very different from dating in other places. It really varies tremendously. But part of what I'm hoping for is finding someone. And these women exist, but a lot of women, understandably, for a million reasons, feel very conflicted and are put in, I think, a difficult position, frankly, when thinking about career, kids, basically trying to do more than any person in history had to do before 50 years ago. All right, let's not go back into this. No, I'm just saying that. No, I hear what you're saying. It's very challenging.

43:46So what I want to get a real clear signal on is that somebody is excited to be a mom in the same way that I'm excited to be a dad. And that it's not, well, all my friends are getting married. I guess this is what you do. Right. Even though I'm going to make all these compromises and might resent it later. I don't want to subject a kid to that potential risk, right? That's wise of you. Yeah. So that's what I'm looking for. But it's not – there isn't some Garden of Eden where you magically just walk down Whole Foods and pick up women like that. But there are some significant cultural differences from place to place.

44:22So we'll see. Yeah, let's move on. All right. So I have a gift for you. I have a gift. How kind of you. Oh, wow. This is called Afino. Oh, my gosh. This is my buddy's new startup. Okay. And in the self-experimenting kind of crazy vein of things, I want to show you this. Now – Afino. F-E-N-O. Yeah. So this is, okay, this is a beta. Yeah. Okay. So you can't laugh at me because remember, you're going to be doing this by yourself. Oh, God. This is not like a flush lab or anything. Okay. What the fuck is this? So this is a medically proven way to brush your entire mouth in 20 seconds. Wow. Okay. All right.

45:00That's interesting. So watch this. Oh, wow. You're going to try it. Yeah. I'm going to take a little of this here. You put a little foam in here. Yeah. And so there's this, they have this little app that custom creates a mold. I estimated it's a mouth size. You didn't buy this from an ad on Pornhub? No, exactly. So this is going to look a little mouth aggressive. Okay. So if you're watching the video. Spirit forward mouth aggressive. That's also my bio. Exactly. So what you do is that this was created by a couple of founders that, you know, obviously were, one of them was a dentist and they figured out that, you know, compliance is really hard with people say that everyone says they floss, they don't.

45:36You know, like I do, but do you floss? Oh, like seven times a day. So check this out. So I put this in my mouth, and this is going to wrap around both sides. How are you going to rinse that? I don't know. All right, let's see. Let's see. I don't know. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

46:08I couldn't stop it. Okay. Holy shit. I know what you're thinking. You definitely bought that on Pornhub. I did not. No, I did not. But it works surprisingly well. I'll try it. I got one for you. Thank you. I got to say that I do love – it has sensors in there. I bet it does. You're doing it by yourself. So you don't look like you're getting mouthwrapped every time. I can see you winking. I can see you winking. It is aggressive. But I will say that it is very – It does a very good job cleaning. Aggressive but effective. Aggressive but effective. And it's 20 seconds, which is great. They have sensors that actually scan your gums, look at gum health, and can send it back to your doctor.

46:49What? On that device? On the device, built into the device. Okay. And so your doctor can actually see recession and things start happening with your gums. So it's like a very tech-forward device. You know, I had my first real surgery was when I was a kid for receding gingiva. I actually had a huge piece of my upper, well, I guess it's your only, palate removed and grafted. holy shit onto my lower gums like sugar and shit like what were you no no it's just genetic like my my gums were receding when i was a kid it was i don't know how old i was maybe 12 something like that it was brutal that's the first time i've ever uh done that that was uh oh vigorous yeah it's uh it's like it's like a i'm so it's stretched upset that i did not video that from this direction we got it oh that's the slow-mo we need that slow-mo it's the intro to the episode listen hey you know what's funny is like when i was putting together these stories for the random show i'm like i love if you look back historically at all the years we've been doing this episode yeah we've had some of the most craziest stupidest shit yeah and talked about the dumbest stuff i mean we already today talked about you squirting your freaking infectious fluid my body like we've done some weird shit and so i always try and like to find stuff i mean this is like both cool every once in a while one of those things five years later look at that exactly yeah exactly Exactly.

48:06Remember, dude, I talked about Ethereum for the first time on the show before it launched. When was that? That was, God, that was a long time ago. That was when I was still living in my first place in San Francisco. I watched the clip and I'm like, oh, there's this one cryptocurrency. You shouldn't care about it. And you're like, no, no, no, tell me, tell me. And I'm like, well, it hasn't launched yet. You're like, what is it? I'm like, well, it's called Ethereum. When was that? That was like 2014 or something. I mean, it was way back then. I remember exactly where we were sitting by the fireplace in my first rental in San Francisco.

48:35That's a cool spot. Yeah. All right, your turn. What do you got? My turn. I would say that I can't say too much about it. You're going to hate that. We never asked what your book was about, but anyway. I can't really. I know you never talked about that shit. I'll talk about a superstition that may actually have something to it. So I, as well as a handful of other authors I know really well, who've written a lot of books, feel like there is such a thing as, let's call it memetic release. And what I mean by that is I think it's fairly frequently observed that you'll have some, as an example, intractable scientific problem or some scientific problem that researchers around the world are grappling with.

49:21And there's almost no apparent major progress made for years and years and years. And then within the same two-week period, people in all these different locations suddenly make breakthroughs. What is happening there? And what I have observed, and again, this is getting into maybe what people would consider magical thinking, but I can't explain it. It doesn't mean there isn't an explanation. When people talk about ideas, that idea seems to suddenly pop up in a lot of other places. Now, you could make the argument that that's maybe expectancy bias, right? If you buy a Hyundai. It's a red Hyundai.

49:54All you see is red Hyundai. All you see is red Hyundai, right? So there could be an element of that. But there seems to be more to it, which is part of the reason why I don't talk about the key core concepts in a book before I release something. But I will say in terms of progress, in case anybody's wondering, I have probably 500 to 600 pages drafted. Oh, shit. It's a big book. Got a lot. Yeah, I mean, all my books are phone books. And that is going to get cut down probably. Well, actually, it's probably going to get to like 800 and then it'll get cut down to like 500 or 400. Did you use any AI in crafting this?

50:27I did not. Nothing? Not yet. Okay. Not yet. Will you apply that to some of the chapters? I might apply it in combination with test readers looking for gaps in the material. Basically use AI as a critic. Right. And try to find gaps that would be ultimately helpful to mainstream or a larger audience of readers. I could see using it that way. I did a really cool thing the other day where I created a custom chat GPT and I uploaded. I went back and I looked at every single book that Warren Buffett had ever recommended. Okay. The Intelligent Investor, like all these, right? And I found the PDFs for them all because they're like, you can just Google them.

51:10They're there. And I uploaded them all to the chat GPT. Okay. And I said, you're my investment advisor. Okay. What should I do in this particular situation? and I'm asking questions of this custom-saved chat GPT based on all of Buffett's favorite books. It's freaking fascinating, dude. You know what you probably also do is take all of his annual letters. Oh, yeah, 100%. I have that. There's a book about his annual letters that I uploaded into it. Yeah, the green cover. Yeah, they're in there. Yeah, yeah. Okay, that's so cool. So what happened? Well, I just got some insights. Like I was asking like - Buy loose, sell high.

51:38Yeah, it turns out index funds is all it says back to me. It's like, you idiot, stop. Don't outsmart yourself. Yeah. But I mean, there's very specific questions you have around timing of markets, or not that I didn't ask that particular question, but things around the markets where you're like, okay, how do you feel about our current state when we think the Fed is going to cut rates over the next 12 months? What do you think about bonds, blah, blah, blah? And it just spits back very intelligent responses based on historic data, which I find is just like, I mean, that is so cool. It's really cool.

52:10Anyway, I'm excited for your book. When will it launch, though? When are we talking? I mean, you're 500, 600 pages in. So I've been thinking about a few different options. One is doing it the way that I've done it in the past, which is to release it all at once as a book launch. There will definitely be some new experimental wrinkles to that no matter what. Traditional publisher? Because before you did Amazon once, you did – Well, I did Amazon publishing, which at that time you could consider a traditional publisher. So in structure it was very similar. They just had the distribution advantage of being Amazon.

52:43This time around, we'll see. I mean, I could very easily see doing ebook audio on my own or through an Amazon platform. And then possibly doing a print only deal or doing print on demand, frankly. Like the quality print on demand has improved so much. Yes. It's absolutely perfectly sufficient. Dude, I was at Ryan Holiday's. I went to his bookstore outside of Austin, which is amazing. Painted porch. It's a great, great bookstore. He has the best bookstore. Yeah. What a life. I love him. He's such a good dude. I went to his bookstore and - Beautiful. It's such a beautifully curated art project that is driven by him.

53:20If you want to see sort of a new manifestation of the best of old school bookstores, visit Painted Porch. Yeah. And it's like about a half hour to 40 minute drive outside of Austin. He's got cats walking around there. It's all of his favorite books. He even has cats. Yeah. There's even cats for the cat lovers. But the thing I would say that was really cool is that he actually had his books printed like higher-end versions of his books, like leather-bound, like super high-end versions that he had done that were just insane quality. Yeah, beautiful. And those are kind of like as you need them, like kind of like on demand.

53:55It's amazing. It's a bit of trivia for folks. Well, I'll give trivia on trivia. So trivia, tri-via, wreath, three roads. It's actually these little tchotchkes that travelers would put down for good luck on their path at intersections of paths. So that's where trivia comes from. But separately, the painted porch refers to stoicism, which comes from the Greek stoa, because early iterations of the philosophical tenets of stoicism were taught in this open-air porched area. So that is why his bookstore is called the Painted Porch. We got a 14-year-old toaster, almost 14 years, coming to visit us. You're saying he's totally deaf, but he still remembers me.

54:36Came up and licked my face. You know what he did? He's done courses of rapamycin. Oh, yeah? Yeah. So I put him on it a few years ago. And? And it seems to be working. I mean, dude, you see him. He's moving around great. He's almost 14. I know. This brings back so many memories. I mean, back way, way back in the day. I'm looking at Daria. Hi, Daria. I remember recording on your couch. This was back still on dig days. Yeah. and and toaster is a little pupper and he was chewing on the xlr cables and almost killed our podcast and killed himself yes and here he is all these years later wagging his tail yeah i caught him like halfway through one time a an actual full like voltage cable and it's just like yeah it was so rabamison we've probably talked about before but people can check out i'm not sure what this current status is but the dog aging project i did a podcast with matt caberlin yeah university of washington you and i both support that funding wise to fund that empower that study yep yeah so did peter tia um so did um brian armstrong armstrong from coinbase like we all kind of shipped in to see what would happen really really really fascinating work so people are interested in rapamycin for potential longevity applications can take a look at that i did an interview separately with matt caberlin which i really really enjoyed.

55:51What else do you have? I have one quick update, one just for people to check out. So Original Love, Henry Shookman's new book, who is my Zen master. Got to give him a plug. He's such an awesome human. He's a great guy. And his app, The Way, fantastic meditation app you and I are both investors in. I always want to give Henry some love because he's such a good soul. And the book was fantastic. You did some, so that's called Original Love? Original Love, yeah. All right. You did some training recently and you sent me the schedule, the daily schedule? What did your daily schedule look like and how long did it last?

56:21So I went to a five-day silent meditation retreat with his master, who is the head of the Zen sect out of Japan, flew in for this into Santa Fe, New Mexico. And so I will tell you when you sit with Henry and you do, I've done a seven-day silent retreat with him in the past. If it's just Mountain Cloud Zen Center, which is his Zen Center, it's probably four hours of sitting a day. And then there's like, you know, walking meditation and a stretching thing. Like when the Zen master's there, like when the guy from Japan's there, like it's like legit. Hell week. It's hell week for meditation. So I was up at 5 a.m.

56:55every morning and I didn't get to bed till probably like released at like 8.30 and I was sitting for most of the day. So one thing I wanted to ask you about, because I saw it in there, there's a lot of sitting meditation. I'm like, okay, that sounds uncomfortable doing that for eight hours a day, which I tried once. People who want to read about my like complete implosion. You were also doing mushrooms at the same time. And fasting for like six days. Yeah, people want to read about my self-inflicted implosion. That's in a separate interview. But the chanting before mealtime? Yeah. What's the story here?

57:25In Zen traditional monasteries and whatnot where they have actual monks, there is a lot of – it's only like 10 minutes. It's just kind of reciting. Try chanting for 10 minutes. Tell me it's only. No, but it's just like reciting a lot of the precepts and a lot of like – Is it in English? Japanese? Sometimes it's in Japanese. Sometimes it's in English depending on who's running it. Do you have a little like psalm book that you read from? It's one that's in Japanese 100%. Yeah. I don't even know what I'm saying. I could be like large donkey cock. Yeah, yeah. McDonald's donkey cock, garbage bag, triceratops.

57:57I don't know what to say, but it's quite nice. It's just like a way to kind of like in cap a set, you know, and then move into the next thing. Must feel so good after being totally silent. Oh, my God. Just to like hear some voices. I know. I went out afterwards because I was waiting for my plane to fly out. And I went to this place because Santa Fe is known for their like chilies, like their good chilies. And I had like – because you eat vegetarian food the entire week. I was immediately wondering how that go for you. Oh, dude. I went straight to a double chili burger and a large IPA, like straight up the gate.

58:29Oh, God. Actually, you sent photos. Yeah, I'm sure I did. Yeah, to you and Saka. Yeah. That's right. So was that disaster pants at 30 ,000 feet? It was definitely like my stomach was not happy. I was paying for that. But yeah, so I do – how much time do you have? Because I know you have – I have time. Okay. Do you want to cover – I got a really crazy one. Let's do crazy. Okay, crazy is that – We can cut it out if you can't, but are you allowed to talk about clotho yet? Yeah. I mean, so Peter Atiyah did a fantastic episode, which we both, I would say, would highly recommend. Yeah, 100%. With Dina, who is a fantastic researcher at UCSF.

59:05She has identified a compound called clotho, which is just absolutely insane. Yeah. So in fairness, it was identified by Japanese researchers. Sorry, sorry. Who named it? But she's spent a good part of her career. She is one of the foremost experts in the world. For sure. Yeah. So she did an episode with the TIA that was a deep dive for about an hour and a half. And it is, I mean, do you have the kind of stats in front of you? I can ballpark it if you want. Why don't you ballpark it? So the ballpark it in my understanding is that, so clotho, just so people know, is that it's naturally produced in humans, especially under high-intensity kind of interval exercise.

59:40So you get more natural level of this. We all have it in our blood right now. As you age, you get less of it, okay? So the interesting thing in humans that they know is that people that have these, there's two genes, and there's these genetic polymorphisms. And if you are an overproducer, if you have these SNPs where you're an overproducer, meaning you naturally produce more of this clotho, you just get dramatically less dementia risk. And even if the very famous gene out there is the APOE, APOE3, APOE4 genes, whereas if you are a four carrier, meaning like most people are 3-3, if you're a 3-4, you're like something like five to seven times more likely to get Alzheimer's.

1:00:18If you're a 4-4, you're kind of fucked. It's like 80 % of people get Alzheimer's or something like that. If you have one of these SNPs and you are way more likely to get it, but you're also an overproducer of cloth, though, it evens out the playing field. You have the same risk of dementia. So now the crazier shit is like, forget the mouse studies. The mouse studies are all awesome. They reverse dementia and all that shit when you give them clotho. When you give it to monkeys, even if they don't have dementia, they like instantly, this is a subcutaneous shot. Monkey limitless. They instantly become like 20 % smarter, like for four weeks, instantly from just getting a little boost of clotho.

1:00:50It's going to be in the headline, monkey limitless. Dude, it's nuts. It's nuts. So, you know, we're very close to finishing the deal, but at True Ventures, we're writing a very big check that I'm leading around into, we're going to get this in humans in the next year and a half. You're going to participate. Atiyah is going to participate. And I can read quickly just for people who want to check it out. So this is the name, I believe it's the name of the episode that Peter has on The Drive, which is his podcast. A breakthrough in Alzheimer's disease, the promising potential of clotho for brain health, cognitive decline, and is a therapeutic tool for Alzheimer's disease.

1:01:24So I have Alzheimer's on both sides of my family. So this is - But you're a 3-3 though, right? I'm a 3-3. Okay. But I have been interested in tracking this for so long in terms of possible therapeutic intervention. Yes. That's why I studied neuroscience initially as an undergrad. Yes. That's why I was initially, the very first check I ever cut for supporting science was for Adam Ghazali and some of his early stuff. That's awesome. Way back in the day. I've also given Adam some cash to go do some cool stuff. Yeah, Adam, check him out. He's been on the podcast as well. And the description is – I'll just give you this very quickly.

1:01:54So Dina Dubal is a physician, scientist, and professor of neurology at UCSF whose work focuses on mechanisms of longevity and brain resilience. In this episode, Dina delves – okay, that's the bitter stocking. Dina delves into the intricacies of the longevity factor cloth though. It's formation and distribution in the body. The factors such as stress and exercise that impacts its level and its profound impact on cognitive function and overall brain health. I don't want to skip over the exercise because while you're waiting for this to be available, it's a subcutaneous or intramuscular shot. I think it should be effective subcutaneous.

1:02:32By the way, that's the way they've given it to monkeys. Yeah, subcute. It's very easy. Very, very, very simple. It's like using a Zempic or is a Zempic subcute? It is, yeah. Very, very simple to do. Not painful. Before that is available, exercise. Yes. Exercise is arguably the most potent way to increase your circulating levels of cloth. Yes. So we're very excited for this. The potential application here is huge, obviously. This could be the OZEM, but for the mind, we'll see. We'll know more in a bit. And once this gets funded, I'm excited to see where it goes. But I think this is what I love about just our ability, finally, at this stage in life, Tim, like you've done so much on the psychedelic research side, which has been amazing on the philanthropic side to watch happen.

1:03:18And like, you know, I started a new substack, which is like a paid, you know, newsletter where I can have a more private community. And 100 % of the proceeds from the first month are going in to fund a Matt Walker sleep study in which he's identified some antioxidants that he believes can repair a bad night's sleep. And so - So Matt Walker, for those people who don't recognize the name, amazing, a super sweet guy, brilliant researcher - Yeah, I just had him on the podcast. who also wrote Why We Sleep, which was a mega, mega bestseller. Yeah. And Matt's such a fantastic, like, well-rounded researcher in the world.

1:03:51Beautiful voice, too. Yeah. I mean, his accent. Dulcet, velvet British tones. Soothing. Exactly. He could read the Cheesecake Factory menu. He should read your next book. And I would listen to it. Yeah. So that's exciting. Like, I'm very excited to, like, I think you and I both enjoy this idea of, like, moonshots around, you know, science. Yeah. Because it's like it's severely underfunded. And if you do get grants, it takes forever. You can do a lot with very little. A lot with very little. Yeah. Because otherwise, this is part of why on a lot of levels I find it certainly as exciting as the startup investing.

1:04:27Yeah. Is you have these potentially. sort of history-bending scientific developments or discoveries that will take years and years and years to fund through traditional grant writing and government support. and if you are able to, I know this is not pocket change, but if you're able to cut a check quickly for say 25, 50 grand, the check I cut for Adam way back when he was 10 grand, that was a big check for me. You can actually make a difference. Can I give you an example of this? And you can accelerate it quickly. Yeah, please. So Dina, who's the principal investigator at UCSF around Clotho, I had a conversation with her and I said, hey, what's the study that you want to do right now on Clotho that would take you a year or so to get the grants and like blah, blah, blah.

1:05:14And she's like, I got this one that, you know, I want to kind of look downstream a little bit further and we can tag cloth and see where it goes and all this stuff. And I'm like, what does that cost? And she's like, 50K. I was like, holy shit. I'm like, do you have the researchers ready to go? She's like, I can start this tomorrow. And so, you know, I donated some stock that were these little tiny distributions that I had received over time. And I just donated stock to UCSF. And now she has the funding and she already started the study like a week and a half later. And it's like, I know that's a lot of money to a lot of people.

1:05:43So please, like, I'm not trying to flex here on the, on the cash side, but I'm just saying like even a thousand dollars, even, but even like sometimes if you get to know these researchers or you hear about something on a TS podcast or your podcast where you're like, wow, that's great science being done. You can call them up. You can email them and say, Hey, how can I contribute a hundred dollars here? And oftentimes it can be tax deductible depending on the organization. And like, Oh, almost always. Yeah. Almost always tax deductible. And I will say this doesn't have to be a super high concept doing the greatest good for the greatest number of people motivation.

1:06:20It can be. But it is so exciting and gratifying to catalyze science that could, I think, without making it sound too exaggerated, I mean, change the world literally in the case of, say, a clotho. Oh, dude. And the fact that you can expedite it for relatively, you know, the cost of a car is nuts. So my mom now sometimes, sadly, thinks my sister is her mom. And she has dementia. And it's not – thankfully, it's not Alzheimer's. So we've been with this for about seven years now. And, you know, we're going to put this in humans in a year and a half. My mom's turning 84 in a few weeks. And it's like, I don't know.

1:07:07there's a chance we get this in there in a couple of years and we get some more great memories back. We get a little bit more of like, even not even the, I can't guarantee what's going to happen, but even just like a little bit more awareness would be beautiful, you know, beautiful. So it's like, this is what, what motivates me more than anything. And we're at an age also where it's like almost every friend in our same cohort is having this experience. Oh, a hundred percent. Right. At least one parent, usually both. I'm sure there's probably a thousand people listening starting to fray at the ends.

1:07:38100%. And it's so painful to watch. I remember watching my grandparents kind of descend to the point where they didn't necessarily recognize me or my brother or anything like that. And if you could just add a few years, right, or cut down on the symptoms by 20%, it's so significant for not just their quality of life, hopefully, but also the interpersonal relationships. Yes. The relationships is the big thing. When people go, they go. But just to have that like awareness of who is around you when you do go, I think it's just like, it's such a huge deal. What else you got? I got some crazy ones.

1:08:21I got more crazy ones, but bring some crazy. So I talked to my dead dad, uh, via a medium. Okay. All right. Didn't see that coming. Yeah. Yeah. It was on our list of stories to talk about. All right. Yeah. Tell me. So my tattoo artist was out here and giving me this fantastic tattoo. Jess is awesome. And she was like, hey, there's this crazy shit that happened to me. And I'm like, what's up? And she's like, I tattooed this woman that was a medium. And she gifted me a free session. And I'm like, was it crazy? And she's like, you have no idea. She's like, OK, a bunch of people. So cute. The toaster's coming to say hi to you.

1:08:54My toaster's keep coming to say hi to me. So I'm the biggest skeptic on this shit. I take this as entertainment value, right? And so she was like, no, you don't understand someone. I don't want to get into her personal details, but someone that was not directly related to her, but one step removed, like of her immediate family, had been shot and killed. And this person came in and said, listen, I had been, this is not Googleable. You couldn't have found this anywhere. Was like, I am the person that was shot in this particular location at this particular spot, like crazy scary, like really accurate.

1:09:31and I was like oh my god and she kept going and I'm not going to go into her personal details but like enough to where I was like give me the number I want to book this$150 session it's$150 and so I book it and it's early because she's like back east and I get up at 7am barely have my coffee and there's like she goes oh my god there is this person that is like beating down my door to talk to you and I'm like okay and she's like wait this is what the medium said? Medium said, yeah. We were on Zoom. All right. And I'm like, okay. He's got a startup in dog cosmetics. Yeah, exactly. They want to pitch you.

1:10:12It's a great pre-money valuation. They only want a million dollars. Like if the dog cosmetics are, it's going to boom. Watch. So it's the next AI. So basically I was like, you know, I'm kind of like early, whatever. And I'm like, okay, I'm very Google-able. You know, like I'm aware of that, right? And like you can find out things about my dad and stuff like that. And she's like, it's a man. He passed from some heart tension in my dad. I have a heart stroke. I'm like, okay, you can Google that, you know? And then she's like describing all kinds of stuff. And even including like a fight with my mom the night before, little tiny bits.

1:10:52So my sister did it too. And we didn't tell him we were related because my sister has a different last name. Oh, nice. And so with my sister, it was like, oh, he's good with numbers. He was an accountant. And he was just like saying that – he kept saying the number three. Is there – and she's like, is there a third sibling? And I've never told anybody this, but I have a half-sister that I didn't know about. That's never been on the internet. And I was like, I started sobbing, dude, immediately. Because like I get that it's entertainment value. But just to feel – and what she said is she goes, he's very proud of you.

1:11:23and that just hit me like you know it's like i don't care if it's real or not yeah just to hear that and even if two percent of your body can say that might be real yeah you immediately break down yeah and so like snot's coming out of my nose and shit over zoom and like there's no filter to turn that off and like it's just like it was it was just very therapeutic you know and i was just like holy shit and the amount of shit that she got right was scary did she whiff on anything trying to think. Gosh, you know, it's funny is like, once you start believing it and once you're like halfway in, you don't want to ask any like questions that might get them to whiff.

1:12:01Disconfirm. Yeah, exactly. And so, but, but I gotta say like, there was a bunch of stuff where she was like, your girls and one of them looks a lot like your dad and has that same kind of energy. And he likes to like watch them play because he thinks it's really cute how one of them is like this and like was predicting their personalities like to the T like like absolutely perfect and so then I have Daria do it my wife and her mom comes to her and scary accurate again everyone's gonna be asking for this URL I swear I'm not trying to like plug any like medium here and like sell sell medium uh things but it was insane dog cosmetics.com slash kevco exactly the coupon code do you have anybody that's passed away that you'd want to talk to sure yeah I mean if I could I mean, I've gone out to the edges pretty hard in my subjective experience, a lot of experiments.

1:12:56But I would say I've also watched, for instance, there's a documentary about the amazing Randy called An Honest Liar. And I've watched documentaries on mentalists. And you watch, say, performers like Darren Brown who are spectacular. Like how they can read and lean in. I mean, the stuff they can do is just like beyond, I shouldn't say it's beyond explanation, but it's very hard to explain. They're very convincing, right? So I'm very skeptical, but if I could somehow assure myself that I had shielded them from the potential of Googling things and figuring things out. Right, right, right. If I could come in blind, like maybe the appointment's made someone else's name and then I show up.

1:13:38Yeah, Tim Barris. And then I'm like, okay, here I am. Tell me. I mean, certainly I'm game to try. I'll pay for your session. I want you to see if this holds up for anybody else. Yeah, I'll try it. My feeling is, and this is maybe people are going to be like, wow, Tim Ferriss is wearing a tinfoil hat and we've lost him. He's out at sea, especially after my sort of like mimetic contagion comment earlier. But there are a lot of, I think it's very, it's impossible to dispute that there's a lot we don't understand. Yes, 100%. That does not mean that these things are unexplainable. It's not invoking necessarily the supernatural per se.

1:14:16But there's a lot of weird shit that we can't currently explain. And so in the meantime, if we're waiting for a scientific agreement or consensus or breakthrough that is accepted, I'm happy to experiment, right? As long as, as long as you have some preparation and safeguards in advance so that you're not a mark for fooling yourself really easily. Is she never, so out of myself, Daria and my sister, she never asked for a rebook appointment. In fact, my sister, she had a bunch of people that came to her that she didn't recognize. And she got to my dad like a little bit later. And she's like, listen, I'm so sorry.

1:14:54This never happens. I want to get, I want to give you a free session for free. Come back next time. Like it was very weird. And there was none of that like salesy shit. You know, I'm always on the lookout for that kind of stuff. Anyway, we'll have to do it. Sorry, our time's up. Like cliffhanger. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Oh, he gave me five of the winning lottery ticket numbers. Oh, sorry. We're out of time. But I just, you know, it was one of these random things that you just walk into in life and you say yes to. And it was like weirdly awesome. I mean, look, I'll give you, this is like two drinks, definitely informing what I'm about to say.

1:15:26But in my experience, so I get, say, soft tissue treatment once a week, right? I get like massage treatment. What was that? I said handy. No. What does that mean? No dragon rolls, no happy endings. I'm saying just massage treatment. Like I have people who work on me because I've broken my body so many times. And there are certain people who have bizarre abilities that they cannot explain. Like they are just good at fixing. Like the Reiki people. It doesn't necessarily even have to be that far afield from manual therapy. There are just some people who have very seemingly strange abilities and they have incredible track records.

1:16:08And when they try to teach other people their method, it does not translate. Their disciples are unable to do what they do. And I don't know how to explain that, but like there seems to be an extreme variance between outcomes. And there's some people who are very purely secular. They have their technique. They can explain it. And they're effectively architects and carpenters of the human body. And they're able to do some miraculous – I shouldn't say miraculous, but like predictably effective things based on their understanding of the human body. Then there are people who just seem to operate on a different channel.

1:16:46And I don't know what to make of that. And any, I would say any athlete who has competed for a long time or had a lot of manual therapy will have a story about someone like this. Why do you say athlete? Well, just because they're going to – Like flow state stuff or like – No, because they're going to injure themselves or have more – they're just going to have more table time than an average person. You talk to the average person on the street. I mean by and large, like when do you have your last massage? Like never, five years ago, two years ago. whereas if somebody is a very serious athlete they're probably getting some type of manual therapy right once ever i mean at least once a month if not once a week if they're like an olympic sprinter or something they're probably getting it every day or every other day something like that can i ask you a question that you may want to cut from the podcast um you told me once that during one of your ayahuasca sessions that it was either someone had spoken in a different tongue that they didn't know, or there was something crazy.

1:17:46What is the craziest, Tim Ferriss supernatural thing that you've ever seen in your life? So I, it's a good question. I'm going to pull out the supernatural just because - Okay. Natural.

1:17:59Hypernatural. Simply because I don't think these things are beyond explanation. We just lack perhaps the tools or the - But yeah, we can't currently investigate any of these phenomena in a granular enough way to make it gratifying. Sure. Yeah. Okay. So. Give me a couple of good ones. Come on. Yeah, I'll give you some good ones. I mean, so I have a decent amount of flight time, I guess we can call it. I have seen on a few. Now, what I'm going to do is I'm going to describe what I saw. Okay. And then I'm going to debunk it. And I know you don't lie, which is what's awesome. Like I've known you long enough to know that you are very, very trustworthy, like legit person.

1:18:40You don't embellish, which I think is great. Yeah, I try not to. And I also try to cross-examine, right? Yeah, you're very skeptical, dude. Yeah. Which I love. It's great. So I've seen a few people, this is first person, speak or sing in languages that they do not speak. Like in tongue shit where you're like, I can't understand you. No, you can. No, no, no, no. You can hear them like coherently. And you speak a lot of languages. Yeah, I do. So were they ever speaking a language that you understood? Yes. Where you're like, no. What language? Spanish. Well, that's easy, Juan. They could have watched enough.

1:19:12No, no, no, no. No, these are people without any exposure. Or… They didn't watch Dora the Explorer or anything as kids. They could have picked up a notion. Or, look, I'm not fluent in these languages, but like the Xpibo, or like from the Xpibo Cunibo people, or… And these were like… Like Quechua la Mista. Like white people coming in? Yeah. Like you didn't have any… They're coming in blind. They couldn't even tell you the names of these tribes. Fuck. like how many words like one or two words no we're talking like an hour what yeah and you've seen this firsthand yes and i also have what i would consider credible witnesses people who are hyper competent in their own lives they have very effective careers etc etc these are not people who are just like navel gazing folks who do like personal development seminars every two days and don't have a job.

1:20:02These are real operators who have seen in one instance, you know, this woman who ended up speaking what sounded like in tongues, but there was an academic there who later was like, oh, that was, it was something like ancient language. It was something that he could identify. And he's like, oh yeah, it's a dead language. He's like, but I've studied enough of it. He's like, that's what she was, she was, she was chanting in. No. So if I were to take the debunk side of this, I would say, well, everyone's tripping balls. So let's be honest, right? Everybody could just be making up the never-ending story fantasy that they want to be true because they're trying to recapture some mystery in a world that seems just profane and disgusting.

1:20:49And this is all ayahuasca. Those examples are all ayahuasca, but it's not limited to that. It seems to be particularly prevalent. Like reports, let me be clear, not occurrences, but reports of these types of events or phenomena are most widely reported, it seems, in cases of ayahuasca. But the format, I think, matters in the sense that it may not be limited to ayahuasca, which is a brew. It's a combination of different plants. So Benisteriopsis copy in the case of the vine, and then Secotria viridis if they're using Chakruna, also another name for the same thing. So it's a bit of a cocktail, right?

1:21:31You can think of it as an old-fashioned. Like there are a lot of ways to put a spin on an old-fashioned. And depending on the brew, it's going to be very, very different. I went the other day with cognac and it was so good. So I can tell you what is not delicious is ayahuasca. But the point I was going to make is that I think the reports in part are more frequent with ayahuasca than say psilocybin or more psilocybin mushrooms, let's say, or LSD, because ayahuasca is almost by default, at least in the syncretic kind of mestizo, neo-shamanic formats that you see, say, in North America and at a lot of the ayahuasca tourism places, it's inevitably in a group context, right?

1:22:11And so when you have a group together, the dynamic, the potential for storytelling, the volume of things that you will observe from other people is just higher than if you're laying on a map by yourself doing mushrooms. So I think since that shared experience is such an intrinsic part of most ayahuasca circles as North sort of North Americans experience it, that it's almost inevitable that you're going to get more reports of these types of things. Yeah. Yeah. And who knows maybe people are just hearing and seeing what they want to say right they they are ultimately considered hallucinogens although i do think there's more to the story that's crazy yeah yeah i mean and i i will say like when you're listening to anyone talk about fucking crazy town which is what we're talking about right now and this is not to say that i'm the the ultimate impeccable objective witness of reality but you just have to ask yourself like has this person demonstrated the ability to reason and logic their way through other complicated problems, right?

1:23:19Because if they haven't demonstrated that and they believe in the fucking tooth fairy and the spirits in ayahuasca, then you really, you don't have a basis for judging their judgment. But if someone comes in and they are demonstrably world-class in a bunch of domains, a real operator, very skeptical, And nonetheless, they have these experiences and they're just like, what the fuck was that? Then it's more interesting. Yeah. I had a jet Navy fighter pilot named Ryan Graves on my podcast. Ryan Graves? Yeah. Like the Uber Ryan Graves, but fighter pilot. Yeah. Okay. And he's the one that came out and said, I saw some crazy alien ships in the sky.

1:24:04Yeah. And we talked an hour and a half for what it's like and when the training that he does and the sensors that they have in these jets. Yeah. And you're like, there is nothing – like this guy is the most credible dude on earth. Like he's a retired Navy fighter pilot that like, you know, was – there was no – like he wasn't like – Corner. Oh, we got – Here we go. Oh, my God. We did the corner bit. Here we go. What is this? So this is – I sent some egg whites. So unfortunately, I got egg whites. I got you. Thank you. Thank you. It's apricot liqueur again. I apologize. Ooh, I like this little clothes build.

1:24:40It's very nice. Kevin. Sorry, sorry. Please, please, please. Must be some decorum. Lemon juice, banners, and then your world-famous tequila there. Oh, yeah. Oh, nice. That's not tequila. Oh, yeah. The lalo. It's not water. Yeah. Egg white. Egg white. Egg white. It's healthy. It's basically a protein shake. Yeah, exactly. So to what, Kevin? To experimentation. To experimentation.

1:25:09Oh, that's outstanding. Oh, Jesus, that's probably the best one yet. Outstanding. I am going to be laying on. You're getting on a flight. You're fine. All right. So what do you have? Do you have anything else or do you want me to go on? I got like one or two more if you want to go there. I'm on you fire away. I mean, basically here, there are a few things that I can recommend just in case people are looking. Yeah, I'll make it fast. So just in case people are looking for a couple of recommendations for things that over the last few months I have found really compelling in viewing or reading, a few things.

1:25:40So one is Jerry Seinfeld's Duke commencement speech. Oh, yes. Amazing. Amazing. Just trust me. Check it out. Yes. Then there's a very old documentary that I watched again, David Hockney, The Art of Seeing. and David Hockney is an incredibly well-known artist, perhaps Britain's best-loved living artist. Art of seeing, okay. And the art of seeing really dives into, through interviews, his way of viewing the world, art and life. It's tremendous. And you can find it on YouTube. You might be able to find it elsewhere, but it's actually surprisingly hard to find. In terms of books, after many, many people recommended it and I had a hell of a time getting into it.

1:26:26It took 20 or 30 pages. So just suffer through the first 20 or 30 pages. It is one of the most beautifully written books I've ever read. Also probably the most brutal book. It is just brutal, brutal, brutal. Brutal in what way? Okay, so it's called Blood Meridian by Cormac McCarthy. And it's selected. Yeah, you can get it on Audible. I listened to it. It was actually great narration. Selected by The Atlantic as one of the great American novels of the past 100 years. Oh, shit. Here's an endorsement. One of the quotes from Michael Herr. I think that's how you say it, H-E-R-R. Quote, a classic American novel of regeneration through violence.

1:26:59McCarthy can only be compared to our greatest writers like Melville, et cetera, et cetera. And this is his masterpiece. So it's brutal in the sense that it is set in the Wild West. But the Hobbesian behavior of humans and just like evil acts of brutality are just beyond Is this going to be like a Quentin Tarantino film in like 10 years kind of thing? or five years. It would be hard to make an adaptation. I think it'd be hard to sell because people would just come out of the movie theaters being like, what the fuck did I just do to myself? But the prose, the prose is so gorgeous. I mean, this is one of those books that I listened to and I was like, I should just fucking hang up my spurs and be done with writing.

1:27:41Like this writing is so good. Oh, fuck. This writing is so good. Maybe this guy's an alien. Like he's, it doesn't seem conceivable to me that a human could produce this. It's so good. Now, I will warn you, if you listen to the audiobook, in the beginning of chapters, they're not quite random, but they're foreshadowing snippets of different phrases, and it's confusing as fuck on the audiobook. So when he's like, marshmallow tobacco, a man finds a dog, hat in the wind. You're like, what the fuck is happening? That's the perfect Quentin Tarantino, like, little slide that they put up on the screen.

1:28:16Yeah, exactly. So that's at the beginning of every chapter, but it's outstanding. If you want something that is shorter and also metaphorically quite beautiful, The Bear by Andrew Krivak, I think if I'm saying his name correctly, is a beautiful story of a girl and her father who lived close to the land in the shadow of a lone mountain. The father teaches the girl how to fish and hunt the secrets of the seasons and the stars. He's preparing her for an adulthood in harmony with nature for they are the last of humankind. I'll just stop there. It's beautiful. I finished it in a handful of days. It's very short.

1:28:51That's a very special book. Really, really fast. If you're doing documentaries, I want to throw one out there. You've probably seen this. And I just watched it again for the second time. It's called The Birth of Sake. Never seen it. What? No. Oh, dude, this is a beautiful story. We tasted a lot of sake in Japan. Yeah, we went to actually one of the breweries. Yeah. Took it right out of the spigot. It was amazing. It was so good. So The Birth of Sake is about a like traditional handmade, like there's only like a thousand of them left. Like there used to be like 4 ,000 like a decade ago. Now it's a thousand handmade.

1:29:22Sounds like Japan. And well, they're like machines and automation and all that are like taking over. And this is about, I didn't know if you knew this, but like if you're actually making sake, you have to tend to it for about six months around the clock. And so they get together in these like little tiny micro homes where they live. They leave their families and they just work on sake for six months. And so this covers like old men, young men coming in, like tradition, the handing off of rains to one generation to another, you know, somebody dying, like the whole thing. And it's beautiful. It's this little tiny brewery called Yoshida Brewery.

1:30:00And so there's a great store in San Francisco. I'm sure you probably remember it called True Sake. Remember over in Page – sorry, in – Hayes Valley. Hayes Valley, yeah. Yeah. I bought a sake there called Hitori Musume, which means single daughter, which to this day I've been trying to find. So good. So they actually sell this. I found this sake. I have it upstairs. We can take a sip of it. But it's not much. It's like$50 a bottle. But it's this little tiny family. The story is beautiful. It's all 4K. There's like snow falling in like slow motion. Highly recommend watching that documentary, The Birth of Sake.

1:30:32That's my ego. What else you got? I got a short one. Okay, go. All right. So this is a video that was sent to me by my friend Mike. You got to watch this. You got to watch this. Is this some of the stuff we send each other normally? No. No. Not that horrific mutually assured destruction known as our group chat. You can never make it out. No. No, no, no. It's called High Ren, R-E-N, by Ren, who is a musician, storyteller, lyricist. It's fucking incredible. You've never seen anything like it. And it's a combination of talent, craziness, slash lunacy, philosophy, redemption, and relief. The lyrics are so good.

1:31:11It's a one-man performance. All right. Where he's playing guitar. He looks like a mental patient. Like, he's in an inpatient, like, outfit. Gets wheeled in. And it's just him and a guitar. And he goes back and forth playing, like, the light and dark sides of himself having a conversation. Oh, shit. It is so good. Should we watch it now or no? It's probably too long. to watch now, you should watch it. It will blow your mind. All right, we'll link it up. This is some good. I love when we throw out the random links that are just like really good. This one, seriously, I was like, oh, I'm not the only one who's fucking crazy.

1:31:45Oh, that's great. Oh, that's great. Yeah. Fantastic. I love that. We're all fucking crazy. Oh, God, what a relief. So that's definitely one that came to mind. All right, I've got my last story of the day, and then maybe you have one to add on top of this. So I'm taking a lot of risk here. Oh. In that – Tentalizing. Speaking about podcasts that we don't want to do what everybody else is doing, you know, one of the things that was a complete tragedy that we can all agree upon is that Matthew Perry's passing away from ketamine overdose or coming unconscious and then drowning in the pool. Yeah. A lot of data came out recently.

1:32:21Did you see that? Yeah, I did. In the story? It was like really horrible. Like these doctors were conspiring to like give him as much as he wanted and like injecting him with what would be considered to be – Like a general anesthesia dose. Yeah, exactly. enough to put you out, right? And like, obviously you don't want to fall asleep in the hot tub, right? Doesn't mix with water. Yeah, so the thing that bummed me out about that is that, you know, we talked about this before about my treatment like six months ago and I feel fantastic after that treatment. But the thing that bummed me out is that - Meaning intravenous.

1:32:48Was it intravenous or intramuscular? Intravenous, yeah. Yeah, it's an IV ketamine treatment. Yeah, so I did it, you know, I did the six sessions and I was going through a really hard startup and like, I feel as good as ever, which is great. Since then, when we did that podcast, I've had, and I can't say on camera, but I've had a household name that has built a business that is bigger than you and I have ever built that would be a shock to the world that hit me up and was like, I did this and it changed my life. And they've since paid for a bunch of people to do it after them that were really suffering.

1:33:19That person in particular was having some depression, things of that nature. That was just treatment-resistant depression was what they call it. A colleague of mine hit me up and was like, I have suicidal thoughts. I'm not going to kill myself, but I hate that I have them every day. Also a scary message to get. Yeah. But she went and did five treatments and is now in full remission. And I was like, this is amazing. And it kills me that, I mean, obviously there are insane dangers around recreational use. I'm not disputing that at all. and it's being used in clubs. It's being used all over the place as a dissociated.

1:33:58And like, I get that it's really bad, but I wanted to go out and say, if I'm going to do a different podcast on this, I want to have in an expert, which I brought my doctor in. Her name is Dr. Jen. She is a Princeton trained doctor. Not a chiropractor. Not a chiropractor. No offense to chiropractors, but they tend to do the Dr. Bob, Dr. Jack, Dr. Jen thing. Yeah, you don't want a chiropractor doing this, but she's been an ER room doctor for like 15 years. Now I feel like a dick. Like I have to say, like there's some great chiropractors out there who I work with, but you don't want them running your ketamine.

1:34:28Right. Exactly. And she gets into that and she's like, this is why we need to take this seriously, right? So we did the whole podcast and we take it from a very scientific point of view, talking about the neuroplasticity, talking about her outcomes that she's witnessed, blah, blah. But the crazy thing that I added onto this, and this is coming out in like a week or so, is that I actually said, okay, I will go in to demystify this. and I went into the clinic and I did intermuscular, which is just a shot in the arm. Yeah, it's a rocket ship. I tried to stay as conscious as I could and explain the feelings as I was starting to go into la-la land.

1:35:05Now, let me tell you why. Are you going to share marble mouth moments? Yeah, 100%. Oh yeah, there's all that in there. It is an anesthetic. It doesn't generally help you. I had to stop and restart the same sentence like five times. But I will tell you the reason why I did this is very simply because of my friend that was suffering from severe depression that she knew me personally. And she's like, I saw you do this and I saw it have a positive benefit. And I went to – I am not recommending anyone do this. But there is a subset of people out there that are suffering, that are seriously contemplating horrible things.

1:35:42And I just want them to check it out and also see what a high-quality clinic looks like. Yeah. Like don't go to the chiropractor. Just look inside of. I'm so sorry I said that. No, but it's true though. Like let's not say chiropractors, but people that have access to this compound, don't go to them. Like you should have a real legitimate doctor. There should be a real legitimate intake. There should be blood pressure cuffs. There should be heart rate monitors. There should be all the real things that come with a legitimate practice. And so I want to demystify it a bit. It's going to be controversial.

1:36:10It's coming out soon. But, you know, I think I'm on the right side of history here. I think that like this will help a lot of people. It's not for everyone. but if you're really, really suffering and you tried everything else, all the exercise, all the antidepressants and you still want to do harm, maybe consider. Yeah, for suicidal ideation, I mean, there are many resources that we could recommend. I mean, we're not doctors. We're not doctors. We're not medical doctors. Yeah, I almost off myself in college. So I mean, if you search some practical thoughts on suicide in my name, there will be a long post that will walk you through my history with this.

1:36:46But if someone's contemplating self-harm, serious self-harm, then I do think of all the interventions I've seen in clinic, that's the operative term, ketamine sessions, whether IV or intramuscular, are very interesting. They effectively hit stop or pause on the thought loops so that you can have a moment of respite to really examine what is happening and going on and take a short break from your pain in the form of these thought loops that are incessant. And that is also the reason why, in my opinion, you should not use ketamine outside of clinic. 100%. It is too seductive. It is very easy to become addicted if you have any history of using alcohol to take the edge off.

1:37:43Ketamine is like alcohol times 100 in terms of its effectiveness to taking that edge off. And therein lies the danger because there are severe consequences to becoming really addicted to ketamine. I will say this that was really interesting. I talked to Dr. Jen who's done hundreds of patients now, right? And she goes – and I said to her on the podcast and her defense is very interesting. I said, you know, for me, like, I don't see how anyone could be addicted to this because, like, it's like a journey you go on, you know. And by the time I'm done with the journey, I'm like, oh, my God, thank God I get, like, you know, a few days off because you do it twice a week for three weeks.

1:38:14But she goes, no, no, no, Kevin, I just want to let you know there are some people that when they feel that, they feel high from that. Yeah. And I'm not one of those people, thank God. But, like, she's like, therein lies the danger. And I'm like, thank you for correcting me there. Like, that's a real legitimate person that is, like, trying to set the record straight. Because some people can get that alcohol times a thousand and get addicted. And then they go finding street sources and all that stuff. But like, it's a really crazy compound because in some settings, it can be a savior and a reboot that people need and an outside perspective to look at themselves disassociated a bit, to laugh and like.

1:38:52To take an observer status on their own stories. I talk about that. Actually, when they film me coming out of it, they go, what did you feel? I go, Kevin was over here. I took an observer status of that. And I was able to say, he's being crazy and he's his own worst enemy. Yeah. You know? And so it's like, it's very challenging because in some sense, like this is a very dangerous compound, but I don't think we need to like just throw it away. No, we don't need to demonize it. I think it's a very powerful tool. And the risk is self-administration. Yes. Right. A hundred percent. And I will say I've seen some of the most impressive, amazing, soulful, high functioning people completely derail their lives using ketamine and other compounds.

1:39:45And you just have to be very, very cautious because my belief is, and I think this is a, even if it's inaccurate, I think it's a constructive, positive belief to hold, which is everyone has a molecule that will make them addictive. Everyone. You just don't know exactly which key is going to fit the lock. Yes. But everyone has the potential to be addicted. And it's just the right molecule. So for me, I'm like, let's safeguard against that. Oh, my God. What is this? This is just a single shot of that. Oh, the great whiskey. The great tequila. Thank you. I love that text was from like 20 minutes ago.

1:40:25He said, thank you. Allison, you're the best, man. Thanks, man. Pickstudio.ai for Tim and Speedos. Wait, did you already pull that? I pulled it up. Oh, so good. Amazing. Crazy. I mean, it looks just like him. It does look so good. What's the story of the snake through the skull on your forearm? It's traditional. There's no stories, man. All right, there's no stories. It's just beautiful. All right, you know what? I stand corrected. I like it. Hold on, hold on. What about this one? There's no story with the monkey. Oh, yeah, like the monkey in the hat with the cigar? That looks pretty traditional, too.

1:40:56about this little baby yet oh look at like the ccp baby with the boxing gloves yeah who knows addison's the best thank you so much did uh did you guys talk about like just what happened last week or two weeks ago with like flux and the model oh yeah so we did mention that up front but i think we should mention it um well i didn't mention flux so there was a new model that came out addison you get to do the cheers what should we cheers to um to our girlfriends and our wives may they never meet to our to our girlfriends and our wives may they never meet is what Addison says right yeah future tense for me but you know a boy can dream so um just to give the the round out of the 30 seconds uh Addison you switched to a new model called Flux yeah everyone knows about it like in like that's deep in the AI space yeah this is the new AI shit what's what's really crazy is so you guys brought up should we should we get him a mic yeah yeah here's talking to this mic kneel down for a sec take a knee Just tell us about Flux because the pictures of Tim are insane.

1:41:57Why are they better now than they were three months ago? You guys originally brought up a prompt hunt maybe two years ago now or maybe a year and a half ago. It was like in December of 2020. You look good. That's not even AI. That's our trip to Mexico. Yeah, that's just Mexico. No, so you guys brought it up and you were making all these theories about what's going to happen with AI. And really, the models just keep getting better. And the prompts are kind of still staying complicated. And so essentially, there was a team at Stable Diffusion, or Stability AI. Those folks left and basically started another open source model.

1:42:39And this thing is competing with MidJourney. And it's all open source. And it launched. And the day or the couple days after it launched, everyone was saying, Like you won't be able to fine tune. You won't be able to like train like basically these lures and things like that. 24 hours later, I was like, actually you can. And that's how rapidly it's changed. It sounds like it's just insane. And, and it takes very little effort. We'll put a bunch of these up. They're nuts. Let me ask you a question on this. Also, I feel like we're going to put these up and then people are going to meet me in person and be like, uh, what happened?

1:43:09You really let yourself go. Hold on this picture of Tim with the, with the red, uh, like speedo type stuff. How nice. Exactly. Nice. Nice one again. Kim's good side. How could you say I want him in a black jacket here? Red, red pants. Yeah. Yeah. So the way like what I'm working on with like pick studio AI is essentially like everyone wants really. I'm going to add this part out, but do you want to like go a little bit more over here so we can see your face? Oh, I mean, sure. Come on. Come right this way. I want to get my good side. Yeah. Just sit on Kevin's lap if you want. I'm not saying that's hot, but if the boner police were around, I'd demand a lawyer.

1:43:51That's definitely staying in. Shout out Hot Rod. Okay. Just give us the quote. It's going down over here. Jesus. My toothbrush. You're going to have to catch up. Oh, God. You're kneeling on his fleshlight. We should make adapters for this. This is going to be amazing. Here you go, sir. Okay. Go ahead. Tell us how we can modify this. Well, no. the way I've seen this sort of working like in a way that is actually usable, which is what I keep telling people is how many times have you taken headshots where you just need them from either LinkedIn or a show that you're working on? It's just like a really – I mean, that's – yeah, I'd hate to be dating right now.

1:44:28Yeah, me too. But you can do anything. Really, essentially like what we're trying to do is figure out what kind of photos people want for – Wait, wait. Go to the website for a second. What's the tagline? Pro portraits created with AI. There we go. We're aiming a whole bunch of stuff. And these are actually old ones because we're sort of piloting this right now. There's different portraits. So those are old versions of our portraits. But, you know, I see it less being, hey, I want to be riding an elephant, going, you know, crazy. It's more like I used to take portraits every year with my buddy Nate Taylor, who took your portraits back in the day.

1:45:02And we'd have to spend like a day or two taking these photos. And like he doesn't want to do it. I don't want to do it. He's going to take a thousand photos and maybe one looks good. And it's like this is just going to get it right right away. So it's just, it's a realistic way of getting a great portrait. But you can do whatever. Like I absolutely did that. And that's going to my library. Your private sash. Bookmarks. Tax returns 2011. I think I'm going to make it OnlyFans for Tim. I'm going to make it OnlyFans for Tim based solely on this AI model. And that's an interesting thing. All right.

1:45:39So. That's true. I can have an. I can. You're right over there? Yeah, I'm good. Microphone went for a wobble. I love Addison. He's the best. He's always dabbling. Like this is a one-person startup that he did on his own. I fucking love that though. Yeah, I know. It's so cool. Dabbling is where you find things to double down on. Yes. Right? That's where all the magic happens. 100%. All right. I'm out of good stories. You got anything else you get? You're out of good stories. I think I've covered most of it on my list. I'll mention a few things. There's a children's book for adults. You said children's Children's Yeah, a children's Children, apostrophe S, a children's Children's Yes Maybe it's Long Island coming out I don't know, I think that's how you say it It's called The Well of Being By Jean-Pierre Weil I guess if you're going to say it in German And This has Made an impact on me, it's a beautiful book It's very easy to read, you can read it with your kids and the couple who introduced me to this are one of the most thoughtful, present and playful couples I know.

1:46:50F and K, thank you for all this. And it infused, you know, they've also infused the raising of their daughters with the ethos of this book in a way. So here's the description. The Well of Being from Jean-Pierre Weil is an illustrated inquiry into the art of happiness and what it means to be radically alive in our daily moments. I'll stop there. It's a long description. It's out of print. I'm on Amazon right now. Yeah, it's out of print. And so I had to just buy a used copy. Buy a used copy. It's a beautiful book. Okay. And then separately, there's a question that I've been asking myself a lot.

1:47:21And you can find this more elaborated upon on my blog. Takes two or three minutes. But don't freak out because the first few paragraphs of the blog post. But it's a strong metaphor. And the question is, are you hunting antelope or field mice? And I've been thinking about this with the podcast as well as with respect to next projects, how I choose next projects, right? Because all we have is our energy and time. And if you spend it in one place, you can't spend it in another. And this particular question, people can look it up for the history, but are you hunting? Are you hunting? Antelope or field mice is a reference to sort of the metaphor of the lion.

1:48:05A lion can survive on field mice, but it's going to ultimately be very, very, very, very, very over busy. And it's going to burn more calories than it earns through hunting field mice. So be skinny. Don't be skinny, but like pick a big. No, it would be skinny if it was just doing field mice. It would be skinny, yeah. But pick a big audacious goal that can feed you for a long time, right? So as you're being busy, quote unquote, like are you hunting field mice or antelope? Can I challenge that for a second? Challenge. So if you're hunting field mice, I'm assuming that's easier prey, easier to get.

1:48:43Probably gives you more time to sit with who you are. Watch Netflix. The one thing that struck me about today, and let's have a little real talk for a second. Oh, wow. Oh, God. Coming to Jesus moment. Here we go. No, but you went on this sabbatical, and yet you had to write a book. I didn't have to write that book. Hold on, hold on. Our mutual friend. Oh, boy. Who shall not be named pointed this out as well. Yeah. Where it's like, can you sit and just be you? Or would that be too hard? Okay, let's do it. All right. So, yeah, this is good. Let's get into the fucking chewy bits. So, I routinely every year spend at least a month off the grid.

1:49:33Right? Last October, I was gone. I was off the grid. Yeah, but you were doing shit. I was doing stuff. But here's my question. And this was in our shared text thread. I basically said, okay, look. So the accusation is that Tim doesn't know how to chill out. I'm like, okay, fine. Let's take that as true. If Tim were to chill out, what does that look like on a daily and weekly basis? And one of my challenges was humans are built to be social. You have a family. Our mutual friend has a family. there's an inbuilt social network in that family. I don't have that, right? So my - I mean, you're a brother to me, so you always have a family.

1:50:15Yeah, I appreciate that. And like on a day-to-day basis, when I wake up in the morning, like my hotel room, my house is empty, right? Yeah. So I need to go externally. I need to travel outside of the confines of my house to find that human interaction. So the question is like, okay, Well, if you could write the script, what would Tim Ferriss chilling out look like? I don't know what that would look like. What would it look like? Oh, it's very simple. All right. I got the best answer for you ever. Oh, boy. No script. That sounds like some fucking fortune cookie stuff that I can't make sense of, though.

1:50:48What does that mean? I know you can't make sense of it, but that's the point. It's no script. When have you done that? When I did my meditation retreats. When I do, there's no script. No, but you had a schedule for each day. Sure. But like, I think. That was like an intensive silent retreat where you're meditating eight hours a day. You want to flip this back, bitch? Like, okay, I suffer from the same thing you do. I suffer from the same thing you do. And that is that we can't. Like, there's a reason we're all friends, right? We're all fucking border collies chewing on the couch. We can't turn it off, you know?

1:51:19And it's like, honestly, I think the healthiest thing, though, would be to wake up with no agenda for a month. Yeah. with no friends for a month, with the fact that you just wake up saying, what is today going to bring? And that is damn fucking hard for people that are driven like you and me are. So I did that for almost a month last October. But you did some psychedelics during that time and shit. Come on. Towards the end. But in that particular case, I mean, I'll just say that I don't think humans are built for isolation. Agreed. And there is a fetishizing of self-sufficiency and independence in the U.S.

1:51:56that I think is unhealthy. It exists in other places for sure. But if you look at our evolutionary biological, like our biological programming completely refutes that. To be exiled, to be excluded from the group is effectively death. A hundred percent. And I'm not arguing that, but what I'm arguing is like, what if you couldn't touch a pen or a computer for a month? They shoot arrows. Or both. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I do think, and I can't remember the particular attribution of this. man, I wish I could really remember it. Ron Jeremy? The Hedgehog? No. It was someone else. But it was basically like man finds leisure through the switching from one activity to another.

1:52:40Like one compelling activity to another. Something along those lines. And I wish I had the exact quote and the attribution, but I don't. And this applies obviously cross-gender. But the point being that I'm not convinced that being idle is a fruitful goal to have. If you can't sit with yourself for five minutes, that's a problem. Yeah. Right? But different people have different constitutions. And for me, for instance, right? If you look at the four-hour work week, okay, so I get rid of, not get rid of, but I automate my whole business, blah, blah, blah. What do I do? I end up doing tangos, like six to eight hours a day.

1:53:20But that was not done from a position of obligation or fear. It was done from a place of enthusiasm and excitement and love. That's different. And that I think is good medicine, right? So as long as I have the self-awareness to distinguish between something that is done from a place of fear or guilt or prestige hunger or responsibility or some nebulous obligation versus the things that enliven me, I think being active is fine as long as I land in the latter category. Right? Like for instance, like I'm doing a lot of archery right now and I fucking love it. Like I am so fed by it and I'm not saying I'm the world's best.

1:54:14I certainly am not, but I just find it so meditative. But can I ask you one question? One of the things I'm really curious about is like, Tim, like I respect you so much because of how I've watched you dissect and, you know, assimilate like information like no other human I've ever seen on earth. And you are able to learn and pick up and go deep on any topic within a matter of minutes or hours or weeks. You do that quite well. The one thing that is the rounding out of the holistic picture of Tim that I'm curious if you can ever tap into is the Tim that says, I can just be without having to go for those things or having to engage in that type of thinking, that type of pursuit, that type of analyzing, you know, I, I, Daria, my wife is, she's a PhD in neuroscience and, and I oftentimes get engaged in intense debates with her about this where I'm just like, chill the fuck out.

1:55:21No, I'm just,

1:55:26Daria, don't listen this far. Uh, so, but I'm just like, you know, I'm like, I'm like, I wish, I wish with all my friends balance. And I think the, where our mutual friend was trying to get to is like, might you find a little bit more of that side of the house? Because you have the other in spades. Yeah. Yeah. It's a good question. I mean, I'll sit with it. I think that balance can come in a lot of different forms, right? So the balance is time bound, right? In the sense that is it balanced on a daily basis? Is it on a weekly basis? Is it on a monthly? No, hold on. No, it's not. It's finding the right conceptual framework through us to think about it.

1:56:05And I I don't think that's a mistake. I think it's actually very helpful. Depends on how your mind works, right? For me, though, it's like if I'm super intense for a month and I'm going 10 out of 10 and then I'm zero out of 10 for a month, like that equates to kind of a 5-5, right? That's, for me, a certain degree of balance. But it's not, if you looked at it on the minute to minute, hour to hour, day to day, it would look very lopsided. I know a fantastic app that I would love to build for you, which would be like the Tim Tim random app and like you open it up every morning and it tells you what to do for a month.

1:56:39And it'd be like today. It's like, what the fuck is this? And you'd be like, oh, I have to buy a slip and slide and go down at 20 times. Like just like something where it's just like throwing you completely out of your like, and you're like, wow, I didn't have to think about it. I didn't have to overanalyze it. It's just a fucking thing I'm going to do. Well, this is, this is part of the curse of the entrepreneur, but it's also, but it's all saying a hundred percent. You know, exactly what I'm talking about. We've talked about this. But also at the same time... These are your mics. I know. These are my mics.

1:57:10But also at the same time, I will say that when you introduce another partner, it's the dance that's fucking hard, right? Because Daria is very much about structure and shit. Daria and I are very similar. Very similar. Super similar. Love you, Daria. She's you with hair. You're the best. Kevin doesn't know what he's doing. She has a better body. No offense. I mean, you look at my AI harasses. I'm sorry. We got to shut this up. You got to catch fight. Okay. Thank you everyone for tuning in. Great to see you, buddy. I love you, brother. Yeah. I love you too, man. It's always good to hang out with you.

1:57:51Seriously. Like I wish we could be in the same city for more than like a day or two at a time. 100 % agreed. So if we can talk Dari to move to Austin, that would be done. Seriously. We'll figure it out. We'll figure it out. Great to see you, buddy. All right. All right, man. Peace. See you guys. And oh, yeah, for all the links and whatever images of me and my speedos and all that good jazz, go to tim.blogs slash podcast. Yes. And check out my campaign episode at kevinrose.com. There we go. Kevinrose.com. All right, everybody. Peace. Take care. Hey, guys, this is Tim again. Just one more thing before you take off, and that is Five Bullet Friday.

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