#791: How to Feel at Peace Amidst High Stress — Guided Meditation with Zen Master Henry Shukman

27 Jan 2025 · 12 min

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Podcast Summary: The Tim Ferriss Show - Episode #791

Episode Overview Title: #791: How to Feel at Peace Amidst High Stress — Guided Meditation with Zen Master Henry Shukman Description: This episode is part of a new segment called Meditation Monday, featuring guided meditations to help listeners manage stress. Henry Shukman, an authorized teacher of Sanbo Zen, shares insights and techniques aimed at fostering calm and effectiveness in daily life.

Key Contributors

  • Tim Ferriss: Host, author, and self-experimenter.
  • Henry Shukman: Zen Master and meditation teacher, known for his app "The Way."

Introduction

  • Tim Ferriss introduces the concept of Meditation Monday, a series dedicated to short guided meditations.
  • The episode aims to equip listeners with a "Zen toolkit" over a four-episode series to navigate stress and enhance mindfulness.
  • Tim shares his personal experience with Henry's app, "The Way," emphasizing its impact on reducing anxiety.

Key Themes and Discussions

The Purpose of Meditation

  • Discovery of Self: Meditation is viewed as a journey revealing deeper aspects of our identities and our relationship with the world.
  • Stress Management: Most individuals approach meditation to alleviate stress rather than for self-discovery.

Meditation Practice with Henry Shukman

  • Guided Session Focus:
  • Recognizing stress signatures in the body.
  • Techniques to acknowledge and manage stress through meditation.
  • Physical Engagement: Participants are guided to tune into bodily sensations associated with stress, such as tension or discomfort.

Meditation Techniques

  • Awareness of Body Sensations:
  • Gentle scanning of the torso to identify stress responses.
  • Encouragement to maintain a soft and relaxed posture during meditation.
  • Acceptance of Feelings:
  • Emphasis on welcoming discomfort rather than suppressing it.
  • Developing a sense of kindness and patience towards one's own experience of stress.

Notable Quotes

  • "We don't need to banish them or suppress them or change them. We ourselves can learn to allow them to bring a kindness towards our discomforts."
  • "When we're feeling stress, we don't try to get rid of it. Instead, we recognize it as sensation in the body and let it be part of what our experience currently actually is."

Conclusion

  • The meditation ends with an encouragement for listeners to stretch and gradually return to their surroundings.
  • Henry Shukman emphasizes the importance of cultivating loving awareness towards oneself and one's stress.

Additional Resources

  • The Way App: Listeners can access 30 free sessions by visiting [thewayapp.com/tim](https://thewayapp.com/tim).
  • Tim mentions his new card game, Coyote, as a fun diversion, highlighting its success and availability.

Final Thoughts This episode offers valuable insights into stress management through meditation, encouraging listeners to embrace their feelings and develop a deeper understanding of themselves. The combination of Tim Ferriss's engaging style and Henry Shukman's calming guidance provides a practical resource for those seeking peace in high-stress environments.

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0:00Hey folks, Tim here. Before we get started, just a quick heads up. My new card game, Coyote, which I made with the amazing people at Exploding Kittens is now a national bestseller. Things are going completely bananas. It just launched everywhere. Amazon, Walmart, Target, 8 ,000 plus retail locations, anywhere you can buy games. So check it out. See some videos of gameplay at coyote game.com. 300 million social views so far of gameplay. It's kind of mind blowing. It takes just minutes to learn. I guarantee you'll have a lot of laughs. This has been in the works for two years. Please enjoy it. Check it out.

0:34Coyote game.com. Now back to the episode. Hello, boys and girls, ladies and germs. This is Tim Ferriss. Welcome to another episode of The Tim Ferriss Show. This episode is a brand new experiment called Meditation Monday. That means in addition to my long-form interviews each week, every Monday I will be bringing you a short 10-minute or so meditation, which will help you for the rest of the week. Over this four-episode series, you'll develop a Zen toolkit specifically to help you find greater calm, peace, and effectiveness in your daily life. The teacher, Henry Shookman, has been on my podcast twice before.

1:06He is one of only a few dozen masters in the world authorized to teach what is called Sambo Zen. And I have found this particularly interesting and effective. And now he'll be your teacher. I've been using Henry's app, The Way, once, often twice a day for the last few months, and it has lowered my anxiety more than I thought possible. As a listener of the show, you yourself can get 30 free sessions by visiting thewayapp.com slash Tim. So if you like what you hear in these meditations, which will be valuable in and of themselves. You can get 30 free sessions by going to thewayapp.com slash Tim.

1:40And for the time being, please enjoy this Meditation Monday with Henry Shookman. Welcome back to Meditation Monday with me, Henry Shookman. Thank you for joining. So I've already said that meditation can be an extraordinary journey of discovery. I believe that its deepest purpose is to reveal aspects of who we are and what our true relationship to the world really is, which can kind of blow our minds when we taste them. And of course, meditation is not the only way of finding out that kind of stuff, but it's an incredible way of grounding it into our lives and integrating it into the way we actually live.

2:23However, However, the vast majority of us, myself included, come to meditation, not for those reasons, but to handle stress. We may not even realize we've got stress. We're just kind of miserable. I was in that category in my early to mid-20s when I started meditating. I was just really unhappy and had a good friend who meditated who was much less unhappy than I was, and I decided to try out what he was doing, and it changed my life. Here's what we're going to do today. The tool we're going to be picking up is around how to handle stress, how to recognize stress and what to do about it through meditation.

3:05And essentially, the main thing we're going to be working on is recognizing the signatures of stress in our bodies, coming into the body, getting to know it in the body, and just that recognition starts to dial it right down. So let's come into our comfortable seated position. You can close your eyes or you can lower your gaze. And as always, we're going to start by really arriving. So kind of catching up with ourselves. You know, here we are with this little space, this little gap in our day when we get to be still and quiet. And really it can be a kind of refuge.

4:07So just take stock. You know, how are you doing right now? that we've all just jumped in from our busy lives outside this space. What are we carrying? What's in our bodies right now? What kind of momentum from the day?

4:32We're not seeking to get rid of anything or change anything. We're just starting to recognize what's going on for us, catching up with ourselves.

4:51Now let's give the body a chance to relax, to come into some kind of rest. So letting your shoulders settle,

5:07letting the seat receive the weight of your body letting the floor beneath you receive the weight of your legs letting your whole upper body be at rest so either balanced or really giving giving the weight of your upper body to whatever support it has you get to unwind right now. You get to sort of unbind yourself from the threads of your days, your busy days.

5:54So now we may not particularly want to think about stress right now but it's really helpful to, in this space this kind of shelter almost of meditation, we can get to know what happens in our bodies when we feel anxious or stressed. You might just think about some minor stressor, like there's an email you haven't answered yet, or a phone call or maybe the tire pressure on your car needs to be checked. Just some minor thing. And just feel what happens in your chest or your diaphragm just below the chest or perhaps in your throat. is there some sensation that you can notice in your torso that seems to associate, correlate with stress?

7:14just do a kind of gentle scan of your torso. Is there some kind of energy, some kind of sensation? Could be a tension, tightness, might be a sense of heat or some kind of agitation. sometimes there's a certain density or it might be more like weather there's a little high pressure system in the torso whatever you're finding or even if you're not finding much of anything let it be the way it is

8:11while keeping one part of your attention open to whatever's going on in your torso. At the same time, let your shoulders be soft. Let the flanks of your body be soft. Let it almost be like the whole of your torso is made of warm wax. There's a warmth surrounding your chest area, your diaphragm area. Feel that warmth, like warm wax. And feel how it can hold any uncomfortable feeling within. If there is a tightness or a heat or a density, any kind of unease, Notice that there's a softness, a warmth in your body as well, that can welcome and hold any discomfort.

9:44We're learning to let things be, not to get rid of them, to let things be, to be with our sometimes anxious, troubled hearts. We don't need to banish them or suppress them or change them. We ourselves can learn to allow them to bring a kindness towards our discomforts.

10:31So just resting a moment with a soft body and a sense of allowing, of kindness and patience toward any stress we might be feeling. That we really can kindly welcome it and sort of tend it.

11:15as if we might almost be rediscovering a kind of kind attentiveness that we've always had

11:29and can turn it toward ourselves, our own experience.

11:48Okay, so let's, you know, in your own time, come out of the meditation, come back to space you're in. Sometimes people like to stretch a little bit after coming out of a sit, whatever feels good for you. So, another tool as we're proceeding with these sessions, this time probably or maybe a counterintuitive one. When we're feeling stress, we don't try to get rid of it. Instead we try to recognize it as sensation in the body and do maybe the last thing we want to do which is welcome it, allow it, let it be part of what our experience currently actually is. And in doing that we discover that we ourselves have a greater capacity than we might have remembered to give ourselves loving, kind awareness.

12:57Thanks so much for joining me. See you on the next Meditation Monday.

From the publisher

This episode is part of a new experiment called Meditation Monday. The teacher, Henry Shukman, has been on my podcast twice before. He is one of only a few dozen masters in the world authorized to teach Sanbo Zen, and now, he’ll be your teacher.

In addition to my long-form interviews each week, every Monday I’ll bring you a short 10-minute or so meditation, which will help you for the rest of the week.

Over this four-episode series, you’ll develop a Zen toolkit to help you find greater calm, peace, and effectiveness in your daily life.

Henry’s app, The Way, has changed my life since I first started using it. Unlike other meditation apps, where you’re overwhelmed with a thousand choices, The Way is a clear step-by-step training program guided entirely by Henry. Through a logical progression, you’ll develop real skills that stick with you.

I’ve been using it daily, often twice a day, and it’s lowered my anxiety more than I thought possible.

As a listener of my podcast, you can get 30 free sessions by visiting https://thewayapp.com/tim and downloading the app.

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