#858: The Random Show, Couch Edition! — Supplements, Hummingbirds, Cock Rings, Optimizing Mitochondria, Breathing and Balance Training, Cool Grip Strength Tools, and More

18 Mar 2026 · 1 h 37 min · 36 chapters

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Podcast Notes: The Tim Ferriss Show - Episode #858: The Random Show, Couch Edition!

Podcast Overview The Tim Ferriss Show features Tim Ferriss, a self-experimenter and bestselling author, who deconstructs world-class performers from various fields to uncover tools, tactics, and tricks that listeners can implement in their own lives.

Episode Summary In this episode, titled "The Random Show, Couch Edition!", Tim Ferriss and Kevin Rose engage in a wide-ranging conversation that touches on topics such as supplements, meditation, physical training, and personal anecdotes. The duo shares insights gained from their second Zen retreat, discusses the effects of various supplements on health and well-being, and delves into the importance of mental and physical balance as they approach their 50s.

Key Topics Discussed

  1. Retreat Insights and Meditation
  2. Zen Retreat Experience: Tim and Kevin discuss their recent Zen retreat, emphasizing the significance of structured meditation practices.
  3. Challenges with Meditation: Tim acknowledges his struggles with meditation, exploring the concept of "just be still" as a method to calm OCD tendencies.
  4. Meditation Techniques:
  5. Different forms of meditation (e.g., Zen, Vipassana) cater to individual preferences.
  6. The importance of feedback from experienced leaders during meditation sessions.
  1. Health and Supplements
  2. Supplements Discussed:
  3. Ketone Esters: Tim shares his experiences with exogenous ketones and their impact on anxiety and liver health.
  4. Methylene Blue: There’s a cautionary discussion about the accessibility of methylene blue on platforms like Amazon and its potential risks.
  5. Urolithin A: Mentioned as a postbiotic that may improve mitochondrial function, with ongoing debates regarding its efficacy.
  6. Vagus Nerve Stimulation: Tim explains the potential health benefits of vagus nerve stimulation, both through DIY methods and commercial devices.
  1. Physical Training and Aging
  2. Balance Training: Kevin highlights the importance of balance training as they approach 50, referencing exercises like using balance boards.
  3. Innovative Tools: Discussion on various tools for strength training, including the NUG hangboard and blood flow restriction devices.
  4. Exercise Protocols: Kevin mentions the Norwegian 4x4 training protocol, emphasizing the significance of lactate as a driver for cognitive and physical benefits.
  1. Personal Anecdotes
  2. Squirrels and Hummingbirds: Light-hearted banter about Kevin's encounters with hummingbirds and squirrels, showcasing their humorous dynamic.
  3. Cock Rings and Health: A tongue-in-cheek conversation about cock rings leading to discussions on blood flow and health.

Notable Takeaways

  • Meditation as a Tool: The effectiveness of meditation varies greatly among individuals. Finding the right technique and guidance can lead to personal breakthroughs.
  • Caution with Supplements: While supplements can offer health benefits, awareness of their potential risks and side effects is crucial.
  • Exercise for Longevity: Engaging in innovative and varied forms of exercise can mitigate the effects of aging and improve overall health.

Conclusion The episode combines humor, personal experiences, and valuable insights into meditation, health, and physical training. Tim and Kevin's candid discussions encourage listeners to explore their wellness journeys while sharing practical tips for both mental and physical well-being.

Resources Mentioned

  • Zen meditation retreats
  • Ketone esters and their effects
  • Vagus nerve stimulation techniques
  • Urolithin A and its benefits
  • Norwegian 4x4 training protocol
  • HeartMath devices for HRV monitoring

Additional Links

  • For more information, visit [The Tim Ferriss Show](https://tim.blog/podcast).
  • Check out sponsorship deals at [Tim's Sponsors](https://tim.blog/podcast-sponsors).

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Chapters

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Retreat Reflections: Zen Experience

0:56 to 2:52

Discussion about a recent Zen retreat and its atmosphere with meditation practices.

“It might explain a lot of psychological issues that I've carried with me.”

Cooking and Simplicity in Zen

2:52 to 4:36

Exploration of the culinary experience during the Zen retreat and the importance of simplicity.

“So we flew out there, small group, got together.”

Ketones and Health Insights

4:36 to 6:28

Insights into the use of ketones, their effects, and associated health considerations.

“You really want to use it in moderation.”

Meditation and Personal Growth

6:28 to 8:38

Discussion on the growth experienced through meditation and the importance of mindfulness practices.

“to talk about them publicly because you have to check all the boxes and science is also very much about not fooling yourself when you make a certain hypothesis.”

Meditation Techniques and Experiences

8:38 to 10:34

Exploration of various meditation techniques and personal experiences at the retreat.

“There's Zen, which is very much its own thing, right?”

Transcendental Meditation Insights

10:34 to 14:03

Insights on transcendental meditation and its benefits as experienced by the hosts.

“There was no looping in any kind of future tripping.”

The Science of Vagus Nerve Stimulation

14:03 to 17:19

Explore the benefits of vagus nerve stimulation for health and inflammation.

“People should check out Michael Levin at Tufts and some of the crazy stuff he's able to do.”

Exploring Vagus Nerve Stimulators

20:06 to 23:51

Discuss different methods and devices for stimulating the vagus nerve.

“representative of other clients and all investing involves risk, including loss of principle.”

Breathing Techniques and Their Benefits

23:51 to 27:55

Learn about the impact of breathing techniques on health and HRV.

“Yeah, I'm using a prototype of one from Scandinavia right now.”

Aging and the Importance of Balance

28:00 to 29:10

Learn how aging affects balance and the risks associated with falls.

“Like incredible increase in risk, all cause mortality.”
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Balance Training Techniques

29:10 to 30:40

Explore various balance training methods and their benefits.

“So I'm going to show you how this works.”

Injury Stories from the Pros

30:40 to 32:30

Hear tales of injuries and resilience from famous skateboarders.

“there you go there we go this squat this is kind of like slackboarding where you like you need a couple of days to get your nervous system yeah yeah isn't it amazing how your nervous system adapts to it Yeah.”

Slacklining as a Balance Tool

32:30 to 34:40

Discover the benefits of slacklining and how it improves balance.

“If you're going to try it, don't do like an hour thinking that you're going to figure out in one day.”

Understanding Bertilotti's Syndrome

34:40 to 37:10

Delve into a rare condition affecting the lumbar spine and its symptoms.

“But a lot of rock climbing gyms have slacklines set up.”

Exploring Pain Management Techniques

37:10 to 41:20

Learn about various methods for managing chronic pain effectively.

“Let's try to hone in on whether that is accurate or not as a diagnosis.”

Reprogramming Pain Patterns

42:00 to 42:30

Explore the journey of overcoming pain patterning and its implications.

“And I think that's enough of a period of time where you could effectively reprogram your pain patterning.”

Insights on Rock Climbing and Tendon Strength

44:03 to 46:13

Discover effective training protocols for rock climbing and tendon strength.

“So you mind if I continue my Ted talk for a second?”

Traveling Fitness Tools: The Nug

46:13 to 48:11

Introduction to innovative fitness tools that can be used while traveling.

“And at home, I have basically a plate loading pin that you can load plates on.”

Japanese Culture and Unique Finds

48:11 to 53:18

Discussing vintage Japanese items and their appeal in modern life.

“So less is more, less is more, less is more.”

Must-Listen Podcasts: Recommendations

53:18 to 55:50

Tim shares his favorite podcast recommendations and insights.

“Yeah, so the Etsy name is Blue Heritage Japan.”

Neurodegenerative Diseases and New Perspectives

55:50 to 56:00

Exploring emerging views on Alzheimer's disease and its causes.

“And then the other one is a podcast called STEM Talk.”

Exploring Neurodegenerative Diseases

56:00 to 57:20

Discussion on alternative views of Alzheimer's disease and its treatment options.

“And certainly there's a lot of stuff that's out on the edges that is not yet ready for any clinical applications.”

Personal Experiences with Alzheimer's

57:20 to 59:00

Personal anecdotes about family members dealing with Alzheimer's and potential interventions.

“What do you think of the Bredson protocol?”

Methylene Blue and Its Implications

59:00 to 1:00:40

Discussion on methylene blue usage, safety, and its role in mitochondrial health.

“If you overdo, this is true for a lot of things.”

The Bredesen Protocol Explained

1:00:40 to 1:03:00

Overview of the Bredesen Protocol for Alzheimer's, including key components and success stories.

“No, at what point you go from blue to clear.”

Challenges of Cognitive Health Care

1:03:00 to 1:05:00

Challenges in managing cognitive health in family members and the importance of early intervention.

“And then, you know, obviously no sugar, no refined carbohydrates, like eliminating all that shit.”

Innovative Therapies for Cognitive Function

1:05:00 to 1:10:04

Exploration of new therapies, including photobiomodulation and urolithin A's effects on mitochondria.

“She remembers me, kids' names, stuff like that, the important things.”

Urolithin A and Supplements Overview

1:10:04 to 1:12:16

Learn about urolithin A, its sources, and related supplements.

“Well, urolithin A is also what's called a postbiotic.”

Long-term Supplementation Choices

1:12:17 to 1:14:25

Discover long-term supplements and personal health strategies.

“What's the number one thing that you've kept in rotation for the longest time?”

Creatine and Injection Insights

1:14:26 to 1:16:42

Insights on creatine use and injection experiences shared.

“I can't believe I'm talking about this to millions of people.”

High-Intensity Training Insights

1:16:43 to 1:20:48

Explore training methods and their long-term benefits.

“That stuff just goes straight through you.”

Blood Flow Restriction Training

1:20:49 to 1:24:06

Learn about blood flow restriction and its application for travel.

“crap out first yeah before my heart rate gets to where it needs to be my legs are the weak length the fatigue in my legs.”

Blood Flow Restriction Training Insights

1:24:06 to 1:27:04

Discover the benefits and personal experiences of blood flow restriction training.

“It's cutting off circulation to your arms or your legs.”

Exploring the Use of Cock Rings

1:27:04 to 1:28:38

A humorous discussion about the potential and practicalities of using cock rings.

“It's also increasing like capillary density and vasculature.”

The Fascination with Hummingbirds

1:28:38 to 1:30:58

Tim shares an innovative hummingbird feeder experience with AI technology.

“ever used one of the rings i don't think so you have to no i mean i would why not yeah i mean why as long as you're not gonna like completely it's not gonna just like fall off apparently it's so it locks the blood in.”

Squirrel Ninja Warrior Course

1:30:58 to 1:31:43

Learn about an entertaining squirrel obstacle course that adds fun to bird feeding.

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0:01Tim Ferriss:At this altitude, I can run flat out for a half mile before my hands start shaking. Can I ask you a personal question? Now would have seen an appropriate time. What if I did the opposite? I'm a cybernetic organism, living tissue over a metal endoskeleton. The Tim Ferriss Show.

0:24Okay, ready? Oh, wait, wait. So we're rolling? Yeah, we're rolling. Okay. Three, two, one.

0:35Feels actually really good. I feel like my bowl is a little smaller than yours. That's always been the case. You want to kick it off? Hello, friends and family, colleagues. That was amazing.

0:48Tim Ferriss:Very prominent ejaculation. Welcome to The Random Show. Welcome, folks, to another episode of The Random Show. Couch audition edition. That's right. uh edu back of my place uh edition why do we have these fancy balls so this is for people not looking these are meditation balls yeah got a bunch of script presumably that's tibetan or sanskrit that's right and uh you have a little corner but that's not the bad corner that's the zen corner yeah this is in corner would you say bad corner yeah you don't even put kids in the bag like did you use that as a kid in school i got sent to like the bad table all the time oh there's a table Oh, yeah.

1:26Tim Ferriss:And then the teacher in kindergarten sent me to the bad table with a bunch of other kids who are really bad and then forgot that she had decided it was the bad table and just left us at the bad table for like the entire year. It might explain a lot of psychological issues that I've carried with me. This is not the bad table. This is the meditation area. And I have bowls over here that I just like the sound of a good, I mean, you heard that. Hopefully it came through and didn't distort the mic but a well-rung bowl it sets the tone for the beginning of the meditation then also at the very end it's also just perfect for a podcast in southern california yeah exactly nice to be in person the whole yes so cal environment there's bowls per capita out here and crystal shops are very high high density high density man yeah another beautiful day in SoCal.

2:16Tim Ferriss:Beautiful day. Been doing a lot of walking. Where should we start off? We got tons. We just came back from our retreat. We did. We did. You want to describe the format? Yeah. So we've done a couple of these retreats. This is the second one where it's just a small group of people that are interested in meditation and that want to go a little bit deeper in the world of Zen. You know, both talked about the way and Henry Shookman a ton, the way being his app. And Henry's just a great leader, great Zen master. And it was accompanied by Valerie, another Zen master. Mountain Cloud. Mountain Cloud Zen Center in Santa Fe, New Mexico.

2:52Yeah. So we flew out there, small group, got together. And it's kind of like if a proper Zen retreat is like 5.30 cushion in the morning, and then you're off at 7 p.m. And it's hardcore, like no talking shitty food this was not bad like this was we had a good chef that was there and we were allowed to ask questions in between sits the sits were purposely kind of time bound to call it maximum of 25 minutes and then a walking meditation then another 25 minutes that

3:25Tim Ferriss:was like kind of the max yeah let me interject just so we don't get into hyper bougie territory too fast. So the chef was not our chef. He's actually, as I remember, this is a former, I think, James Beard award winner who decided to forego the accolades and the attention. How is that less bougie than what I was going to say? Well, you said we had a nice chef and people might assume that we're like bringing in a chef. This is a chef who actually - He lives there locally. I know, that's the point I'm making. He lives at the Zen Center and has chosen a life of simplicity working with local ingredients and so on and he is also normally there it's not like we had our own dedicated that's right chef that's right that's not in my house i i eat venison jerky sticks most of the time and lentil lentils out of a can still and you chugged my freaking ketones about five minutes ago tim just goes to my fridge and he's like okay what are you up to i want to see what kevin's up to i want to see okay we got a little semi-glutide here we've got some repatha he's like oh ketones and he starts chugging my ketone esters well yeah i unwrapped it and i was like i probably should ask if i can drink this but i'm guessing this has been in there for weeks dude i don't that stuff that you drink is like so they make several versions of that that's like the full-on f-16 isn't the latest fighter jet whatever the gen 5 fighter jet is f-22 it's the most uh it's the highest intensity this is the delta g brand ketone monoester, which is BHB, which is kind of what you want, bound with something called 1 ,3-butanediol, which I will say, if you see that on the ingredient list of your supplement for exogenous ketones, treat it like a shot of tequila.

5:05Tim Ferriss:You really want to use it in moderation. There's mounting evidence that it's pretty unhealthy for your liver. So just use in moderation in terms of ketone supplementation. But hey, right before a podcast, by the way, it's a great time for me to take like 15 grams. I will not do 30 because, and I talked to, she'll probably come up again, our mutual friend, Dr. Ron Patrick about this. I don't think I'm talking out of school here. But when you take, when I take, and this is true for her as well, and I suspect other people, the full 30, like the entire shot, rather than decreasing anxiety, it actually, for me, spikes it.

5:41Tim Ferriss:And I think that could be related to a very rapid rise and then trough afterwards. But who knows? The point is, keep it moderate. You're the first person to tell me that it impacts liver function. And I have more often than not had elevated liver enzymes. Surprise, surprise on the whole drinking front typically. But it's something I watch. And when did you hear about that? Because I'd never heard that to be the case yeah i um fortunately by virtue of doing the podcast and also being incredibly interested in science interact with a lot of researchers so i get to have chats with them once i get to know them better about pre-publication data studies that are underway and they never want to talk about them publicly because you have to check all the boxes and science is also very much about not fooling yourself when you make a certain hypothesis.

6:38Tim Ferriss:But the first whispers of this were from, and still are, from animal models, where you can basically dose mice with 1 ,3-butanediol and give them the equivalent of fatty liver disease. It's not good. And I'm sure I'm oversimplifying. The point is, treat it like ethanol. Treat it like, not even tequila, moonshine. Like you're drinking moonshine, and you wouldn't want to do that every day. It tastes like moonshine Or cough syrup. Cough syrup moonshine. Yeah. So that is just to say, I still think there's a time and a place for it. I've been experimenting with other versions like ketone salts. Dominic D 'Agostino, he's also the co-author on some of the papers that are describing this.

7:18Tim Ferriss:He tried bath salts for a while too. That was a very odd version of Tim that came out. If it's good for McAfee. Just eating the flesh off of us. Yeah. Eating people in the median in Florida. It's always a Florida man. Yeah. Florida man dot dot dot. Yeah. Eats another person. Chewing someone's face off after bath salts. Stay away from bath salts, kids. So yeah, I came in nice and fully loaded today. Yeah. Awesome. Well, I am glad that you're feeling better because you also might not have made today. So yeah, that's a sidebar. I may have had a glancing blow of eggplant to which I am deathly allergic and woke up in the middle of the night incredibly sick last night.

7:59Tim Ferriss:So I'm glad I'm here. Yeah. And I brought my EpiPen for dinner later. amazing learn my lesson bring your back up so the retreat let's finish that off real quick so we got together what did you learn this time around because we've done this twice you've dabbled in the world of zen you've always said correct me if i'm wrong but meditation has been a hard thing for you typically where are you now with your practice well what i would say is you know the first thing speaking as a very much still a novice on any level i would say that meditation is kind of like sports or exercise. It's like, do you like exercise?

8:33Tim Ferriss:Like, well, what kind of exercise, right? Meditation, there's so many different ways to meditate or explore mindfulness. There's the Vipassana approach. There's transcendental meditation. There's Zen, which is very much its own thing, right? And you know more about that than I do. But what I do find helpful about the retreats is you can describe what is going on when you're sitting still with your eyes closed, trying to focus on something, in the case of, say, the breath, or trying to just observe whatever comes up. And the feedback that you get from someone like Henry or Valerie, where you can do a 25-minute sit and then take a short break, talk about it, and they can say, well, given that you experienced this, this, maybe you had restlessness.

9:25Tim Ferriss:Maybe you had, in my case, this sort of planning compulsion, right? So rather than memories or fantasies about who knows what, not necessarily, people can run wild with that, but I default to plans, like things I need to do. And it's like, okay, well, if that's coming up, then Henry might say, why don't you try in the next set, which we're going to do in 10 minutes or five minutes, A, B, or C, and then you do it and you provide feedback. And so you're able to really polish the stone moving forward. and similar, I suppose, to a lot of what we might call transcendental experiences, which sounds fancy, but it's really just perhaps not fixating on the self or interrogating what this thing is that we call the self, which you can do through meditation.

10:12Tim Ferriss:You can also do it with, or maybe you're forced to do it in some cases, with psychedelic experiences or other things, breath work. When I was there at the retreat, you might remember this, I was getting very frustrated. And I was like, where's all this frustration coming from? Yeah. And while I was there, I was like, I don't know how much I'm getting out of this right now. But when I got back to quote unquote real life in Austin, I had like three to five days of this just kind of blissful, calm attention where I was able to get everything done I need to get done. There was no rushing. There was no looping in any kind of future tripping.

10:51Tim Ferriss:And I was like, well, that's very interesting. and it also holds true for say breath work psychedelics there are many different things that you could look at and interestingly maybe this is one way to think of it i mean in a sense there are a lot of parallels between different methods for entering what people might consider a trance state and i don't think meditation is exempt from that depending on what it is but if it's a concentration practice it's like for sure you're using a mantra or you're something you're repeating in the case of yeah tm in the same way that you might use rhythmic drumming yeah and you can go some pretty weird places and then you come out of you're like i don't have to make of that and sometimes the payoff is what you notice in the next unfolding week or two or three or whatever the duration might be that's right so that was very invigorating for me and also henry at one point used a prompt in response to i'll give a great this is a real world example of something that happened to me something i experienced in the sit and then henry's response right so i use the way all the time full disclosure we're both involved with it i mean it's really because more than anything more than anything else it's just i think it's good for humanity and people to learn from somebody who is really deliberate about layering on progressive skills that you can take outside of meditation.

12:15Tim Ferriss:But one of the practices is labeling. So if, and there are a million different ways to do this, but let's just say talk comes up in the mind and you label it radio or talking. And then if some kind of video comes up in the mind, right? Images, you're imagining something or planning something or remembering something. Okay, that's video, right? And so on and so forth. Yeah. But for me, as someone with very well-established OCD, I can just end up being like radio, radio, radio, radio, radio, radio. And it turns into, instead of a helpful thing, a very interruptive, stressful thing. Right. And at that point in the retreat, and the retreat clearly was three to four days.

13:04Tim Ferriss:Yeah. It was very short. And he said, okay, well, he moved into the next sit and he said, just be still. Right? Like, just be still. that's it that is the focus like just sit still and did that for two consecutive sits i just focused on that and it was remarkable how much everything calmed down i was like okay well just like exercise like some people sure can go to the gym and do full sprinting workouts on an inclined treadmill not everybody can do that right and other folks are well suited to yoga some people are well suited to different types of lifting etc and everybody should probably spend a little bit of time in each of those compartments if they can but it's not like everyone is equally suited for instance in my case to like the open monitoring stuff like we'll just sit there and notice all the things that come up so i came out of the retreat thinking you know what something along the lines of transcendental meditation not necessarily with that branding but using a koan using just be still as a concentration practice that i repeat really gives me a lot of payoff if i just sit still for 10 to 20 minutes twice a day can i tell you my theory on this no so one of my theories because i've been going super deep on bioelectric medicine and different ways of using electricity in place of pills basically and medications, which I think is really the next frontier in a million different ways.

14:35Tim Ferriss:People should check out Michael Levin at Tufts and some of the crazy stuff he's able to do. But related to meditation, I did this deep dive with someone named Kevin Tracy, who's very credible scientist, very widely cited, helped discover and explore a lot related to TNF alpha and all sorts of things. and he is incredibly knowledgeable of vagus nerve stimulation not the bogus bullshit kind which is 99.9 percent of what you see on the internet yeah but using say implants the size of an omega-3 capsule in the neck which is where the biggest nerves run it's really like two transcontinental cables running down either side of the neck each one has about 100 000 fibers and if you put an implant in that's giving continuous stimulation on and off on and off it's not 24 7 it's incredibly effective for things like rheumatoid arthritis and actually it was FDA approved it was on the cover of the New York Times the day that I interviewed him and that raises the question how why what's going on and it just so happens when you stimulate the vagus nerve, you activate something called the inflammatory reflex.

15:48Tim Ferriss:And you can, in effect, prevent damaging cytokine storms, decrease systemic inflammation of all different types. That word inflammation is kind of an umbrella term for a million different things. And I remember chatting with one of my friends who is a professor. He was using the 10 % Happier app by Dan Harris. And he was meditating twice a day. And then after like one or two weeks, he's like, all of his aches, which are debilitating. Like he had a lot of musculoskeletal issues. They just went away. And one way people might try to explain that is like, well, you're becoming more present to your feelings.

16:26Tim Ferriss:Maybe it was psychosomatic. But I think it might actually be when you sit still and you inherently end up breathing rhythmically because you can also stimulate your vagus nerve with, say, box breathing and other things, that you do that twice a day. If you were to use an implant, Or let's just say either ear-based or neck-based stimulation of the vagus nerve. Guess how long it lasts? Roughly 12 hours. So you do it twice a day, you're getting full coverage. Oh, interesting. And so if you're getting full coverage, and there's a lot more to it, I won't dig too deep right now. If you're getting twice a day vagus nerve stimulation from sitting and focusing on breathing, even if you don't realize that you're entraining your breathing, I think that might have explanatory power for some of the benefits people see from meditation.

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20:17That's fascinating. So I bought one of the Vegas nerve stimulators that hooks onto my ear. Have you seen that one? And you feel that this little tiny pulse of current that's happening?

20:26Tim Ferriss:So people who are not watching this may have trouble envisioning this, but I'm actually in communication with a couple of scientists in Scandinavia. I don't want to dox this guy because I don't think he's public with it yet, but there are two ways currently non-invasively to stimulate the vagus nerve that are commonly known. One is the neck where you really like press some type of device. There are a number of them out there, mostly used for migraines or cluster headaches. And it's pretty unpleasant. Like you stimulate the neck and it activates the superficial muscles in your face and it pulls your face down.

21:01Tim Ferriss:And I used one of those for probably four to six weeks. Didn't see any systemic benefits. A friend of mine doubled his HRV using one of those devices. Like he had some, I'm not going to call it PTSD, but he had some overactive sympathetic drive and the vagus nerve stimulation is associated with the rest and digest parasympathetic okay which is also why right now i stimulate before bed five minutes twice a day i mean for for the ear jesus christ for the ear there's something called the simba concha i think i'm pronouncing that correctly yeah people can see most of the research this little bit right here Right here.

21:45Tim Ferriss:Okay. And you can look this up online. You kind of want the portion of the Simba Contra that is closer to your sideburns, let's say. Okay. And then you need another piece that is grounding or completing the circuit. And that's got to be touching your skin. The contact point is incredibly important. Are there any of these that you like that are consumer available? Because a lot of the stuff you mentioned. You can DIY it with components off of Amazon. And maybe I'll make that available to folks. the reason i hesitate to do that is that it's easy to get wrong and you can i just don't want to be responsible for people trying to put current through their heads right there are a lot of people who diy trying to do tms and stuff yeah this is the one i heard tbcs and they reverse polarity and they like you can fry your brain not with the vagus nerve stuff necessarily but you got to be really careful with stimulation have you ever heard of this one neuropod uh-uh it's basically if you look at who's involved on the scientist level like it's crazy the number of you know n-u-r-o-p-e-o-d let me see the world's most study wearable biggest nerve stimulation 100 plus international ucla did a study there pen okay that's interesting i have to check it out it's interesting but i will say like just have you noticed anything i've owned this thing for about a year and a half i did it for about two weeks for 30 minutes a day i didn't notice anything Yeah.

23:04Tim Ferriss:It's hard for me to see the placement on the earpiece. The placement is very, very, very specific. It clips right here to this lobe right here. Oh, yeah. I don't think that's in the right place. But you feel a little ticky, ticky, ticky, like shock almost. Yeah. I don't think you're... Look, this is my first time seeing it, but I don't think you're going to be necessarily hitting as many fibers as you would want if that's the placement. Yeah. But who knows? A lot of fancy names on the website. Maybe. I'll take a look at it. Yeah, I mean, it's worth it. You can borrow mine, dude. I want something I can recommend to people.

23:34Tim Ferriss:Yeah, exactly. Right now I am. I can't recommend this because it's not done anything for me. But when I was doing the research for the most, like this one, they've clearly paid for studies to be done. Obviously that's a huge grain of salt because who's doing the studies and what are their biases and whatnot. But I'll let you borrow mine and see if it does anything for you. Because it is a$900 device, which is like, shit, that's a lot of money to spend. Yeah, I'm using a prototype of one from Scandinavia right now. On Amazon, I'm sure people can find some instructions for this. you can diy something for like 20 to 25 dollars worth of components on amazon it is not amazing it's just a small 10s unit cables the placement is very challenging to get right yeah um and i did not see much in terms of results for me even with a lot of professional guidance using that so um i want to tell you about something related but but can i stop for seconds try breathing yeah do box breathing so that's what this is or something like that do that twice a day.

24:30Tim Ferriss:Okay. This is why also in The Great Nerve, which is a book written by Kevin Tracy, it's a great book. There's an extended chapter about Wim Hof and Wim Hof is a very controversial figure, but well known for breath work. And you see some of the same effects in terms of controlling immune response so that it is not excessive with respect to various types of cytokines and so on. You can do it with breath work. So yeah. So what are we looking at? This, Have you ever heard of HeartMath? I have heard of HeartMath. Okay, yeah. I went to a little mini retreat where they were doing a bunch of different modalities in terms of different therapies and things to just really let you be the best version of yourself.

25:10And one of the things that they did was they gave you a HeartMath device and they had a whole class on it. And I was like, yeah, I heard that thing before. I never tried it. And so I hooked it up to my ear and it measures your HRV. But what blew my mind was that the app, once you launch it it's like follow this box breathing and we're gonna watch you get to watch your hrv in real time yeah and dude it when i followed it just as it was telling me what to do the hrv just like shot up and then i would try and trick it and i'd be like i'd follow it but i think of something really stressful and my hrv would go down so i'm telling you this is the coolest device i have owned in a while and you lock into this coherence mode as you do this breathing and it's it's pretty awesome it's 250 bucks i'm not an investor or anything but heartmath.com heartmath.com and a 60-day money-back guarantee and well i want to say that because i i hate recommending stuff affiliate code kevin 40 exactly 10 20 off i hate recommending stuff when people spend their money and but i will say this was the one one thing that i was

26:14Tim Ferriss:i've heard good things about heart math i don't know who's involved i did maybe you didn't know this for a period of time, maybe it was about three months, I did training for this specifically. I think it was before any retail options were available with a doctor named Leah Lagos, who has a book about this. And we actually in real time would do a video call and identify what type of breathing specifically would have in real time, the biggest impact on HRV. and there is something to this there's definitely something to this i can't speak to heart math but i've heard of it before so don't worry about the device for stimulation the point being try meditating twice a day for 10 to 20 minutes yeah and if you're like meditating god i'm allergic to that word because it gets used so much try breathing use heart math or something else there's not a whole lot you need to worry about andy weill has some very good breathing exercises 478 yeah so i have box breathing and 478 on my app oak that's still in the app store and it's 100 free yeah there's no way to pay for anything on the app so if you just google oak you can find it and it has like six different breathing techniques on there i think i think here's here's a hypothesis slash bet i think that if it hasn't been demonstrated already i haven't done a full like lit search for this.

27:37Tim Ferriss:I think there are breathing patterns. If you repeat them in the morning and at night, twice a day, roughly 12 hours apart, like 10 to 20 minutes that you will see a lot of benefits for things like chronic pain. I really feel very confidently. So that's exciting. Yeah. Sweet. What else you got? I've got crazy things. I mean, I just had my birthday a few weeks ago, which is crazy because I'm marching towards 50 really quick. i know and so are you getting dragged through the doorway with your fingernails leaving it's really scary linoleum well what's crazy is dude okay so when i first when tim i first started hanging out like whatever 15 years ago 17 years ago maybe 20 i don't even know close to 20 years ago it was 20 years ago he's like let me like every time you walk into tim's house he like tackles you with some kind of new jiu-jitsu move to take you down in like the last three years he's been carrying a ball for his lower back where he's like i can't move and it's like old man tim has appeared and like that old tim that would tackle you with a jujitsu move is gone and the gentle art not so gentle turns out but i know one of the things that i want to really focus on for this next decade is balance a balance obviously is is such a key thing and it's the number one way that people and they're as they get older in their 60s 70s and beyond are actually permanently injured is by falling and breaking a hip and things like that.

29:00Tim Ferriss:So two things to show off. Like incredible increase in risk, all cause mortality. If you're older and you break a hip. Yes. Turns out breaking hips are not good. So check this out. This one right here I've had for a while. Don't fall on your ringing ball. So can you imagine? Smash my face in the ring bowl. So I'm going to show you how this works. Have you used this before? I have. And so are you good at these or no? Oh God, you're like, I feel like a parent watching after you. How well can you do the balance boards? I haven't done it in a long time. There's one called the endo board, which I have.

29:32Tim Ferriss:I've fucked around with it. I don't think today is the day. Well, so let's check this out. So five minutes a day, there was some research that was done around people with ADHD and it dramatically improved their symptoms, which I have a ton of. Yeah. You can't really. But I want to know if you can do this. I want to see if you can do these. You have to pay attention if you're on this thing. Could you do these? I don't know. Never tried it. And then the tippy toes. So I do 50 squats like this. I should also point out. Let's see if the history is a skateboarder. I do. Yeah, which else? Let's see, Tim.

30:07I don't know if I'm going to. You'll be okay. You'll be okay. I'll hold your hand when you go up. Come on, just give it a shot for a second. I want to see. I'll give you some Depends and give you a walker so you can get up there. Fuck, man. Okay, so one foot there. Yep, I got it. Jesus. Okay. oh fuck hold on there you go it's got blockers so you won't slide off the end yeah yeah hard right hard right hard on the right foot yeah it's like it's hard isn't it

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30:39Tim Ferriss:well I'm like nervous about falling over there you go there we go this squat this is kind of like slackboarding where you like you need a couple of days to get your nervous system yeah yeah isn't it amazing how your nervous system adapts to it Yeah. So there's a crazy video people should check out. I think maybe it's not online. There's a guy named Jersey Gregorick had on the podcast. He's got to be 70 something right now, but he was 67. He could stand on one of these at 67 with a fully loaded barbell with like 150, 200 pounds. He weighs probably 130 and he could do a perfect form Olympic snatch landing with God, ask to heels and then stand back up and do repetitions.

31:25So dude, I, when I was just in Japan last week, all right, there we go.

31:29Tim Ferriss:That's enough. When I was just in Japan last week, I was out there and I was, I was at this event. Whoops. I was at this friend's birthday party that Tony Hawk's also friends with. So I was hanging with Tony and he's like, I, last time I saw Tony, I was like, dude, how are you doing? Because I, Tony Hawk, one of the most legendary skateboards of all time. for people who don't know people definitely know who Tony Hawk is but yeah you might I mean a lot of people a lot of people know who Tony Hawk so so Tony for the youngster last time I saw him he had a cane and I was like this was probably like eight months ago or whatever and I was like dude how you doing and he's like I just got a couple screws put into my hip and you know he had this injury and I was like holy shit man I'm like my head I'm like oh the fucking legend you know pushing himself in his 50s to do he's still doing like you know whatever 720s on the half pipe in his mid 50s like fucking crazy and i saw him up in up in hokkaido and we're going snowboarding he's like yeah i'm going bored today he has no cane no nothing and i'm like do you have pain like do you have pain like do you feel pain like what what are you doing in your mid 50s like doing vert snowboarding like you know what i mean and he's just like yeah he's like my my wife jokes that i should have a shirt that says like always in pain or something like that and i was just like that is a some people are built like that though yeah have you ever seen his shins i'm sure they're just like he looks like a thai kickboxer yeah exactly he has been hit so many times by the board it's insane you and your birthday when i was at your birthday in in uh new york probably about uh i don't know maybe seven ten years ago you had a slack line in your backyard yeah and um i couldn't do it at all at not even one step yeah because it is a very much a nervous system practice it's a nervous system practice so i found this online is like a little home one do you have one like that's cool i have played around with these these are pretty sweet so i have not used the smaller ones i had one between trees same company gibbon and just for people who've never played with this.

33:36Tim Ferriss:If you're going to try it, don't do like an hour thinking that you're going to figure out in one day. You actually, my belief is you need sleep cycles for your nervous system to try to integrate it. So you're better off doing a few minutes every day and gradually you'll figure it out. But that's cool. Very portable. So obviously a lot easier to set up and take down than a gigantic thing between two trees with ratchets. Yeah, exactly. I just wanted to get one because again, on the balance front, they will have a little QR code there at the end of that you scan and they give you about 20 or 30 different exercises that you can do with it.

34:06Like the toe taps where one foot is on and these tap a toe on each side of the bar. And like, you're right. And there's this weird thing. And I noticed this in my kids where they got those little hoverboards for Christmas so they can just kind of zoom around and they're seven and eight. And day one, like eating shit, you know, helmets, full gear. And day two, my youngest is just like, like just flying over the place. Totally figured it out. It took a couple days of that kind of adaption and that muscle memory to kind of kick in, which I think all these things do. But yeah, this has been awesome.

34:37Tim Ferriss:Yeah. And for people who might want to try slacklining, don't get on a slackline really far off the ground, number one. But a lot of rock climbing gyms have slacklines set up. So you can potentially get someone to show you the basic ropes, pun intended, of walking on a slackline over there. And it's called Gibbon. pretty sure this is why it's called given because if you see really good slack liners they do this with their arms as they're walking across and what does that look like it looks like a given this monkey yeah and you can you can see footage of gibbons walking across like rope on small suspension bridges pretty fascinating stuff so try it out awesome and you know i'll throw something out there yeah let's do it because it's related to rock climbing well a couple of things since you brought it up so for the last two days you know we've been hanging out a little bit and you have not seen my little blow up Pilates ball that I usually put behind my low back.

35:33Tim Ferriss:I just mentioned a few minutes ago. I know I do see it. Yeah, but you haven't seen it. I know. So what's going on? Well, it seems like, and this is not going to apply to most people and this is a work in progress, so it's not definitive, but I ended up meeting with a neurologist and surgeon in Austin. And you've injected baby seals, stem cells. No, it's going to be some shit like that. No, it might apply to a very, very small fraction of the people who are actually listening to this. He did imaging. He used to be in a clinic where they ran trials and studies related to something called Bertilotti's syndrome.

36:11And Bertilotti's syndrome is incredibly uncommon.

36:17Tim Ferriss:Most specialists in his profession might see one or two cases in their entire careers. But he's seen hundreds. and he looked at my imaging and he said you may actually have vertolotti syndrome and he pointed out they had very advanced imaging first time it came up it corresponds perfectly to where i point to when people ask me when i have pain or where i have pain excuse me and it's in effect where you have a transitional segment so it's like a lumbar vertebra that's behaving like a sacral vertebra or vice versa and let's just say it's like l5 and the the transverse processes i think it's transverse processes on both, try to form a pseudo joint.

36:56Tim Ferriss:So they basically lay on bone and other material to try to create what is then called a pseudo joint. And if you look at textbook cases at Bertilotti, you're like, yeah, of course that's going to hurt your leg back. And as a way of testing the hypothesis, he said, well, let's, before we even consider any interventions. Let's try to hone in on whether that is accurate or not as a diagnosis. The way we'll do that is there are some nerves that affect that area specifically. There's no like radiating effect or anything down the leg. Let's put in effectively a nerve block and then see what happens.

37:36Tim Ferriss:Like we'll put in a nerve block. What is a nerve block? Basically stops the area from transmitting pain signals. But like what does it mean though when you put in a nerve block? you lay down in my case on your face i hate when anyone is messing with my spine man it's like very i've had so many things done to me and i'm usually cool as a cucumber but when needles are like in or around my spine yeah i really get the fear sweats i don't like it at all but in this case that was required so you get a in this case it was i think it was lidocaine small amount of lidocaine to numb the surface shit then they're going through quite a bit of deep musculature So they go in and then they're putting in, in this case, and obviously you need specialists for this.

38:22Tim Ferriss:Who was the baby seal? Prolocaine. They have baby seal semen. No, it was prolocaine and something called Kenalog. But none of those specifics are the punchline. The punchline is after he did the injection, he said, okay, this particular portion of the cocktail is going to last 18 hours. And then you're going to get probably two weeks of effect from the Kenalog, something like that, which is a cortisone shot, basically. And he said, I want you to do all of the things that you think will most piss off your back. Like all the things you've been avoiding, which for me are sitting on hard surfaces, sitting with a slightly flexed back.

38:57Tim Ferriss:Like if you're sitting on a bar stool and you're kind of like this, any of those stretching in that position, sitting on the floor with the dogs, certainly things like heavy deadlifts, squats. So I did all of that stuff for three days straight, zero pain. and i'm like holy shit after having so many specialists from different disciplines say like yeah i know you point to that but that's not the spot it's actually because there's referral pain from this this or this and just having so many people dismiss how precisely i could point to where i felt the most pain which was consistent over years and for the first time he's like if When you look at the imaging right here, it is exactly where you are playing with your finger.

39:45Tim Ferriss:So I'm cautiously optimistic. Dude, that's amazing. This is the first time in six years. Also, there are different tools that work for different people. Sometimes it requires multiple tools. A lot of people have benefited from the work of John Sarno. But that school, for instance, in effect, says none of the imaging really maps to symptoms well. It's all in your head. so do cognitive training and reconditioning to solve it because that's the guy that howard stern got his back problems fixed through right it might be a lot of people benefit from that stuff yeah but it's also infuriating to be told like every type of back pain is in your head i'm like really if i took a ball peen hammer and smashed one of your eyebrows that would be in your head like i guess technically since the brain is governing pain like fine but this is the first time with a relatively simple but precise intervention i guess it's been about five days it's like i can do everything with no pain so dude that's amazing so what does that mean well could be the cortisol shot well that's the one thing that's like well that is you probably had that before right or no no i haven't but here's the thing so that that's going to have a different yeah anti-inflammatory it's also going to basically kind of for lack of a better term like puff up the pseudo joint in a way that sort of reverses the chronological age or development of that in some ways from a symptom perspective.

41:15Tim Ferriss:But this is where I'll offer people something I can potentially look into, obviously with the help of really, really, really good doctors. If that shot continues to deliver benefits and I can do all these things pain-free, which is the case right now, then there's something called radiofrequency ablation, RFA, which is used to, in this case, temporarily completely incapacitate those nerves. So they go in, they apply radiofrequency ablation, and that should last for like a year to a year and a half, hopefully. And the hope in that case is, okay, with a year, year and a half, and I already spoke, you know, I've spoken to multiple people and they're like, even if you resume a lot of your activities and stair-step into it that previously caused pain, and you shouldn't structurally make that worse, right?

42:02Tim Ferriss:Because that was a concern. And I think that's enough of a period of time where you could effectively reprogram your pain patterning. Because for years now, it's like if I sit on a hard surface, my brain is like code red, DEF CON 5. Like you are about to not be able to sleep for six to seven days. And you're going to have trouble walking and sitting and standing. So super exciting. That's awesome.

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44:10Tim Ferriss:So you mind if I continue my Ted talk for a second? All right. So also had long overdue surgery. I think I might've talked about this last time, but on my extensors, right? So the forearm extensors. So this would be considered like tennis elbow, like 20 plus years overdue from a sports injury. And I'm back to rock climbing. I'm not great at rock climbing, but I love it. I just love rock climbing, feeling really good. And if people have never seen something called Abrahangs, so like Abraham, but Abrahangs, go on YouTube, find this Swedish rock climber named Emil Abrahansson, so Abrahamson, S-S-O-N.

44:53Tim Ferriss:He's a monster, very competent rock climber, does like V13 problems and probably much more. Incredible explainer of things and dives into a lot of training. And he, along with the help of this scientist named Keith Barr, B-A-A-R, who I've actually had on the podcast, developed or tested this protocol for improving tendon strength. And it is the simplest, lowest impact thing you can imagine. It's basically 10 minutes twice a day. And he does a bunch on a hangboard, but let's keep it simple. Let's say you're hanging on could be a pull-up bar could be a door jam could be the underside of some stairs whatever and he's hanging with like 30 to 85 percent of his weight so his feet are still on the floor does that for 10 seconds on 50 seconds off 10 seconds on 50 seconds off and you do it 10 times that's 10 minutes and then you do it again later in the day and his before and after strength and endurance tests are mind-blowing this is already a guy who we could say is a high level climber and to see like the before and after yeah is crazy so you don't always have to kill yourself yeah to adapt in really really interesting ways and that's something i've really really benefited from but the low back has been a limiter right for like the last few months because hanging from a bar if i don't engage the abs it could cause some issues with the low back and spasming so i bought this thing recommended by a friend of mine nick norris who's also been on the podcast former navy seal called the nug and the nug is it's about the size of like a gigantic bar of soap it's a piece of wood and it has different depths of grips on it like 25 millimeters 20 millimeters and you can move it around really easily and basically like you could keep it in jacket pocket and as long as you have a carabiner, like one of those things that kind of clicks on, you can do all sorts of exercises while you're traveling.

46:58Tim Ferriss:And at home, I have basically a plate loading pin that you can load plates on. Yeah, exactly. So that you can basically do like a single handed deadlift. And so this is the same as essentially doing the hanging board? It's similar. I'm looking for the same kind of loading, but what you can also do is take this thing that you can fit in your pocket and attach it to like a low cable machine. That's what I was doing in Santa Fe, actually. Oh, that's cool. And just like get the weight off the ground, you know, the stack off of the resting position. And then I was doing 10 seconds on 50 seconds up, 10 seconds on 50 seconds.

47:32Tim Ferriss:And you only have one of these. Yeah, because I'll do one hand and then I'll do the other. So I'll be like 10 seconds, 10 seconds, 40 second rest, 10 seconds, 10 seconds, 40 seconds. The website is frictitious climbing. It doesn't exactly roll off the tongue, but like friction, frictitious climbing. They have the nug. They have a bunch of other items that you can use while traveling for this, which are really, really interesting. So that's another one that I've been traveling with. I'll let you go. Yeah, this is awesome. Yeah, it's just a fun little tool to play with. Do not overdo finger training.

48:07Tim Ferriss:You do not want to tear a pulley or something in your fingers. So less is more, less is more, less is more. This is, I guess, something like 30 to 85 % of body weight, obviously, or maybe it's not obvious. That's with two hands. So if you're doing it with one hand, it's going to be, you know, 15 to 40%. That's amazing. This is cool. Thanks. I already just ordered by the time we've done talking about it. Yeah. Yeah. It's fun to play with. Cool. What you got? Yeah. So I've got a couple of things. One, I was hanging with Craig modern japan and you've had craig on the show before yeah craig amazing amazing guy i don't think there's anybody that understands japan the way that craig does like in terms of the back country and just like the little artisans and all the stuff that he's into craig has walked i probably fair to say like thousands of miles of different trails and pilgrimage paths yeah in japan he's it's very likely he has walked more of japan on foot than any other person yeah so he was out here visiting he actually stayed in this house for a week when he was out here in la and i walked in and he's got all his little toiletries like sitting out you know yeah it's like sitting out he puts it all in japanese order where it's like a little nice little cloth and it's got like all this shit like even dresses like a japanese person yeah i know i know i know so i mean he's lived there for 25 years so that kind of makes sense but i saw his toothbrush and i was like that is a dope looking toothbrush and i got you one oh wow look at this so you can get these on amazon it's got a really wide head he said it's his favorite japanese toothbrush it has so so for people who can't see it's like the toothbrush bristles are almost in us in a square right i mean it's very uh square like as opposed to being more and elongated and so you get three of these for 11.50 on amazon and what does it say in japanese premium care premium For premium care.

49:56Old Toaster's here. Hi, buddy. Hey, buddy.

50:00Tim Ferriss:Look at the old man toast. I was just saying hi to him earlier. Toaster is now 15. You know, I was just saying to Daria that the last time we did a podcast, sitting on a couch, was at your place in San Francisco, back when Toaster was a puppy, and he chewed through the cable, the XLR cable was on the Zoom. That's right. Oh, buddy. Yeah, he can't hear anything anymore, and sadly, his back legs are falling off. Yeah. Look at that. He's still a good dude. I feel like you recognize me because I've seen him so many times. Oh, for sure. Yeah. What a sweetheart. He's such a good boy. So yes, premium care.

50:32Yes, I got you one of those. And there's a three-pack for$11.50. I think it's great. It's a fantastic toothbrush.

50:38Tim Ferriss:Yeah, yeah. Okay.

50:44Cool. I dig it. Thank you. Speaking of all things Japanese, so I am hesitant to give this up. So if you want to get a loan stock, only one left. Well, hold on. Let me tell you why. So first of all, check this out. Check out this jacket. Cool. All right. Oh, nice. You feel how heavy that is? It feels like a, almost like a, I know what this is. I know what this is. So this is a fireman's jacket in Japan. Yeah. And this is a heavy, like dope fireman's jacket. it's vintage this would be hard to rip like the 1970s oh wow and so i found a store on etsy how did you even think to look for this because i love this style of jacket he's fireman vintage japanese fireman jacket i just typed in my japanese jacket on etsy and so this importer they import like the coolest vintage japanese everything from jackets to you know how they used to do that patch mill kind of work where they take stuff they would like patch quilts out of out of old material yeah yeah so like everything from like little tiny shrines to wicker baskets like dude check out the store let me just show you the store real quick um and the only reason i'm plugging it is vintage japanese indigo dyed kendo jacket so they got all the little dolls they've got these different types of uh indigo dyed kind of blankets and so What's the seller?

52:16The seller is just an importer from Japan. You don't want to give the name? No, I will. So here's the deal. It's so inexpensive. Like in the States, if you were to buy this jacket from a designer called Visum, which is a well-known Japanese designer, this style of jacket would be, gosh, I mean, it'd probably be$2 ,500 for that jacket. More expensive than my car. No, it's not. They sell these jackets on there for, here's one for$92. like look at this vintage 1960s jacket 92 oh that's cool oh watch out buddy bud he's kind of needs a little help i don't think you're ready for this slack board my friend yeah there you go okay i know i know um i mean that jacket's dope but i just wanted to give this out there because i think if you're looking to buy vintage fun things in you can't score i know i know uh i know i'm being an idiot if you uh if you're looking for just various objects around your house that are vintage from Japan.

53:15This place is insanely inexpensive for all different types of things. Blue Heritage Japan?

53:21Tim Ferriss:Yeah, so the Etsy name is Blue Heritage Japan. 4.9 stars, thousands of reviews. But look at some of this stuff. Yeah, that's cool. These kind of hanging tapestries for stores and stuff, those are fun. So anyway, I just thought it was kind of a fun shop that, and you know it's legit because when you get the package, is actually shipped directly from Japan. Oftentimes, you'll find some of these places that make a Japanese-style jacket, and then you find a little tag that says Made in China on the inside of it or something. Anyway, look at this farmer's washi paper basket. Wouldn't that be cool to have in your house sitting around somewhere?

53:59That's just awesome.

54:01Tim Ferriss:Yeah. I guess these guys are based in Canada, it looks like. Oh, no, that's just because I'm logged in the Canadian store. Why the hell are you logged in the Canadian store? I don't know. I was on a VPN. I better close those porn browsers. No, I was in Japan and they were firewalling me off of some stuff. And so I had to use VPN. Yeah. A big dead serious. A big dead serious. It wasn't porn, dude. No, don't protest too much. Should I happen? Yeah, go ahead. All right, cool. So I want to recommend some podcasts for people. And these are two that I continue to revisit. One is this is a mini series by 99 % Invisible, one of the OGs, Roman Mars, and he's got some co-hosts.

54:48Tim Ferriss:It is a series on The Power Broker. So The Power Broker by Robert Caro won the Pulitzer Prize in 1975. It's a biography of Robert Moses, who basically shaped modern New York. And this book is considered the quintessential book to read if you want to understand state and local politics, especially power wielding in New York. And it's a legendary book. It's 1 ,200 pages. I've never made it through. I've never even really put a dent in it. And then what 99 % Invisible does, they walk you through the whole book and kind of give you their highlights. They interview Robert Caro himself, who got to meet Robert Moses multiple times.

55:31Tim Ferriss:and they have guest appearances by people like Conan O 'Brien, who's a huge Robert Caro and Power Broker fan. It's a wonderful series. And I think there are 12 parts. I had listened to it ages ago, but they only had three episodes out. And then I just petered out because I didn't want to wait months for the next one to come out. Now they have the full 12. That's one. And then the other one is a podcast called STEM Talk. And if I want to find interesting scientists doing things that I think I might be able to apply to my life or the lives of loved ones. And certainly there's a lot of stuff that's out on the edges that is not yet ready for any clinical applications.

56:10Tim Ferriss:STEM talk is just incredible. And my latest discovery there is a really fascinating scientist named Dr. Francisco Gonzalez Lima, who's at UT Austin. One of the many reasons I'm interested in his research is that he has a very different view on neurodegenerative diseases like Alzheimer's. and thinks as I do that people underweight and researchers underweight how you might think of Alzheimer's as a vascular disease and including mitochondrial dysfunction and the more I dig into this the less compelling I find kind of amyloid plaque like amyloid beta plaque amyloid beta plaque yeah for a whole host of reasons it's pretty widely accepted now that that is a byproduct of something gone wrong and not the cause of it, right?

56:59Tim Ferriss:But still, I do think a lot of doctors and scientists would view it as a byproduct. Nonetheless, a lot of the treatment options, like donatomab infusions or otherwise, are focused on removing plaque. Right. But you can remove a lot of plaque, assuming it doesn't kill people, because there are risks with RA and stuff. And you may not see any change in cognition whatsoever. What do you think of the Bredson protocol? I don't know. Look, Dale Bredson, I don't know much about Dale. so you could illuminate me. Let's get to that in a second. But what I have seen, let's just say, in the case of some of my relatives, I've got three relatives with Alzheimer's right now.

57:37Tim Ferriss:One is disintegrating very quickly. One is in hospice and another who's sort of in the early, but rapidly advancing stages. And I gave one of them actually the exact same ketone that I had before we sat down only 10 grams because I didn't want them. I didn't want to risk them getting dizzy, which can be a byproduct, and falling. But I gave them 10 or 15 grams, and within 20 minutes, longer sentences, faster speech. This is someone who's giving like one word, two word responses, and that lasted for about an hour, hour and a half. So if plaques, even if we're talking about tau and so on, if those were solely responsible, that shouldn't work.

58:16Tim Ferriss:But I don't want to be dosing my family with ketones constantly for a lot of reasons. It's like okay what else can we do and this dr gonzalez lima has looked at low dose methylene blue and also photobiomodulation using lasers or leds like right on yeah in most cases the right prefrontal cortex by the way do you know that they're selling methylene blue on freaking amazon now that's scary i know they didn't used to because they were scared to do it now there are supplement companies that are selling straight up methylene blue that's scary yeah although the safety profile like it's been used for a very long time yeah it's got like 120 years of research but if you overshoot the therapeutic window like you can fuck yourself up yes so in this case it's low dose ideally plus photobiomodulation and you're hitting two aspects of the electron transport chain that should be synergistic for mitochondrial function and also glucose metabolism that's really got my attention right now dude look at this on amazon look at this guy drinking a big picture of it guys drinking a like a shaker bottle full of methylene blue with the goldfish you know methylene blue is what they use for fish tanks right to color the water blue isn't it yeah they were using it in fish tanks well if it's good enough for the fish tanks i guess be careful yeah look look here it is general disease prevention for fish if it works for fish This pet store has figured it out.

59:44Tim Ferriss:Yeah, exactly. Be very careful, folks. If you overdo, this is true for a lot of things. You basically have... It's a response curve where a hormetic dose, like a very small amount, is good for you. Kind of like iocane powder in Princess Bride or it helps with immune function and so on. If you take too much, it has the opposite effect. So you could, I believe, I don't think I'm getting this wrong, handicap your mitochondrial function by taking too much. Dude, look at this. 15 milligrams of methylene blue with 75 milligrams of vitamin C. NeuroPro. I'm not recommending this. This is just one on Amazon.

1:00:19Tim Ferriss:It's all over Amazon. God, that's terrifying. what would it be considered a microdose in your opinion i'd have to go back and look at his actual research people should listen to the stem talk episode okay with francisco gunshot like like an epipen i'll just take this to go take this to the spa by the way the comments i i it's so funny you are on this because i literally two days ago i was in here reading the comments and they're like i'm peeing blue now like yeah he blue you do people and that's actually a way individually that you can begin to identify your customized dose. Oh, you shouldn't be peeing blue.

1:00:58Tim Ferriss:No, at what point you go from blue to clear. You can figure out basically what the, probably using not exactly the correct terms, but figure out what the half-life is in your body so that you're dosing at the right interval. They call this bro science, by the way, when two guys that don't have that. Well, I mean, I am pretty closely echoing. Yes, it is bro science. but it's bro science with citations meaning like don't trust exactly what i'm saying but go listen to the episode and read his research dude look at this methylene blue gummies they're selling gummies now a methylene blue terrifying anyway just because the supplement doesn't make it safe folks amen yeah hemlock all natural turns out shouldn't have too much of it yeah killed socrates oh yeah that's right yeah so it's just like arsenic all natural don't yeah go take a shaker bottle full of arsenic yeah so yeah be careful out there kids that definitely has my attention right now because i think about say parental risk my mom's cognition is slipping but she's apo e33 her apo allele profile is 33 i'm 34 my brother's 34 which means we got the four from my dad he's sharp as a tack and he's incredibly sharp and he's older than my mom so it's like all right they both have metabolic dysfunction right so that's kind of equalized right like they're fasting glucose and all that's terrible it's like what's going on well you do inherit mitochondria from your mom and mitochondria a very big deal so i'm looking at different levers that i might experiment with in my mom that could also potentially be applied preventatively yeah And me and my brother.

1:02:36Yeah, so the Dale Bredesen Protocol is pretty awesome. He wrote a book about six or seven years ago. Maybe it's closer to 10 now. Nicotine enemas, am I right? Exactly, that's all it is. Which you tried for the first time today. Oh, Jesus. Yeah. Well, it wasn't exactly that, but yeah. So the one thing I like about, it's called The End of Alzheimer's, is the name of his book, is that he's - Understated. Yeah, exactly. Won't sell any copies with that title. but what he came up with is he said okay listen the what we're seeing in the brain is the byproduct of something going hair wire it's either blood brain barrier breaking down allowing bad shit in it could be bacteria it could be like a whole slew of different things it could be like you said an issue with blood flow and it could be what did you call it a vascular type issue and he thinks it's like three or four he thinks it's either vascular in which sauna other things like that help with uh cocovia like other ways to make sure that you have vascular health obviously the mitochondria thing is another one that he's huge on and then he also thinks it could be toxin related as well and talking about how to get those toxins out of your body but his protocol is very common sense it's like what is it it is essentially a handful of supplements which are all the ones that you've basically talked about along with he calls it um it's a lightweight keto So just making sure you go into lightweight ketosis like five days a week.

1:04:02And then, you know, obviously no sugar, no refined carbohydrates, like eliminating all that shit. It turns out exercise, like intense exercise is very important. And he's shown now over the course of a decade that he's taken people. Actually, you know, Kelly Boyes, who we were on the retreat with. She's an awesome meditation. She teaches something in this form of relaxing yoga. Yoga nidra. Yeah, as an aside, her father, I think she'd be okay for me to share this. I'll double check. But her father had mild cognitive impairment 10 years ago. And they were, of course, really worried. They put them on the Dale Bredesen protocol.

1:04:40And he's scoring better now than he was when he first took the test. 10 years later. Yeah. And she's like, yeah, he still has issues here and there. But he's like, you know, I guess in his 80s now or something. And it's like, but that's what you want. Makes a difference, yeah. Even if we can say, okay, myocardial impairment is progressing. My mom is in this situation. She can't tell you what she had for breakfast, but thankfully she doesn't have Alzheimer's. She has some form of dementia. She remembers me, kids' names, stuff like that, the important things. She would have a hard time telling you what the name of my dog is.

1:05:12There's little things that slide through the cracks. She's sadly really overweight, didn't really want to do that. But the point is, if we can see this stuff early enough, where they still have enough of your wits about you to take action. Because compliance is huge, as you know. Like, how hard is it to get your family members to go do high-intensity exercise?

1:05:32Tim Ferriss:Yeah, can I pause for a second? Yeah, yeah. So that's part of the reason why the methylene blue and the photobiomodulation are so interesting. Because, for instance, there's a device that is actually worth investigating on some level. It's called the Cognito device. It's a headset. And it was developed by scientists out of MIT. and it's 40 hertz, I believe, both visual and auditory stimulation. And in rhesus monkeys, pretty recently, in the last year or two, last year, they showed a lot of plaque clearance enhanced by this, right? But that's still, if I'm understanding correctly, people fact check this, but that's still predicated on the theory of disease for Alzheimer's that by removing plaque you get clinical outcomes right the photobiomodulation well let me before i get to that as i understand it this is an hour a day of wearing this device on your head my mom's not going to do that right there's no fucking way right right nor any of my relatives however the photobiomodulation it's like eight to ten minutes laser or led led is a little harder and do you have to go in to do that or do you can you get a device i'm going to buy a device and i'm not recommending people do that.

1:06:43Tim Ferriss:You can really damage your eyes with lasers and so on. But right now, it's not like you can go to a clinic and be like, hey, I'd like to have this treatment. It just doesn't exist. So let me be the guinea pig before anybody does anything. But you get this device, and I'm sure it's going to be very expensive, right? Some of these lasers, there's like$30 ,000. But eight minutes, eight to 10 minutes, you can see, even after a single session, you can see multiple weeks of effect. Crazy. And so it just sits right on top of into the eye? No. Well, there are devices that go through the eyes, but this one, what makes it so mystifying in a way for me is that it's actually pointed at the forehead as an infrared laser.

1:07:25Tim Ferriss:It's so fascinating. Wow. There are peer-reviewed published studies on this, which you can find. Anybody who looks up Gonzalez Lima will find it. So it's exciting. It's super exciting. because there's certain things like i know that my mitochondria are funky i know that through different types of endurance testing different types of obviously all sorts of stuff done through doctors and tests and blah blah blah well there's something funky with the mitochondria and i'm like okay well let's try to get ahead of that yeah and actually related to that to invoke i said she would come back ronda patrick also you know was texting with her at one point because i was listening to stem talk that podcast i mentioned i came across a scientist discussing something called urolithin a of course it might appear yeah might appear and two years ago maybe it's two years ago like she was pretty bearish on it but there's a lot of new research or i shouldn't say a lot there's new researchers come out and also met with a couple of biotech people in boston who are very well respected i'm not going to dox them because i don't want to but they basically did this like comprehensive analysis and landed on three or four things and one of them was your lithon a right i take 300 milligrams a day 300 how do you how did you choose 300 milligrams because that's what all the studies are done on or no sorry five so 500 to a thousand yeah i take 500 milligrams a day yeah clearly i need to take a entire dose i've only been doing it you think i've been for three months to see some results so bear with me people i love it was close to him what's what's a little strange is that that when you if you buy the bag you can get this on amazon i'm not recommending you do that jury's still out but i'm like hey i want to hit mitochondria from as many reasonably plausible mechanisms or angles as possible you can get mitopure it's expensive af yes i was very expensive i was going to tell people that the one that people talk about the most in this world that has done a lot of clinical studies around it euthanol a is um this company called timeline you know they trademarked the name of it which is mito pure the problem is it's freaking expensive it's very very expensive and i don't know is there another company that's out there that has high quality i'm not gonna put shit into my body right so but i would like to know is there any company when you say expensive it's like 60 count is 125 right and you're taking two a day it's expensive yes that's 30 days and most of the studies actually have people taking a thousand a day so if you're taking a thousand a day right the prices are you know the prices are going to add up but again but again i would trust pure encapsulations if they offered some of it i haven't seen anybody you know like there's no other brands that i've seen that you know the household names like the thorns the purers i mean this is a single skew well not a single skew but a single compound company like they have a lot vested in ip protection and so on but it can be synthesized like they don't own that the Gethernal A, obviously that's something that anyone can produce.

1:10:22Tim Ferriss:Well, urolithin A is also what's called a postbiotic. If you were eating tons of pomegranates and walnuts and so on, there's certain things that in your gut by microbes will be converted into, in part, urolithin A. The problem is that there's a high degree of variability. So if Kevin eats two handfuls of walnuts and I eat two handfuls of walnuts, we're not going to get the same amount of urolithin A out. Fortunately, urolithin A is very orally bioavailable, which is why the supplementation potentially makes sense. What's interesting is actually Pure Encapsulations does make one. And when you go and look at the label, they actually buy MitoPure for theirs.

1:11:00Oh, there you go. So they use MitoPure in theirs.

1:11:02Tim Ferriss:Well, MitoPure in this case is almost like an industrial-grade supplier in so much as CreaPure. Like if you're buying creatine, like I use Momentous Creatine. They're sponsored by the podcast, but I like their stuff. And everything is like NSF certified and third-party analyzed. CreaPure is this supplier, just like maybe Mitopure is, that's providing something that is very pure and properly assayed and so on and so forth. Okay, so Pure Encapsulation, it's not cheap either. That was$80. $80, but that'll get you, hold on, let's just do the math here. So$80 is 60 pills, and again, it is 250 megs per two pills.

1:11:42So that's half the dose.

1:11:44Tim Ferriss:Yeah, so if you wanted, per two pills, so if you wanted$1 ,000 a day, that's eight per day 160 oh oh a thousand days yeah it's yeah it's eight a day 60 capsules other shit in there too i don't want all this other stuff the trans yeah that was veratrol and whatever so yeah it's uh it's expensive that's uh that 80 bucks is going to last you like 12 days something like that in any case guys jury's out but it's but it's interesting enough that i added it into the rotation and yeah i routinely take things out of the rotation also yes this one i've been taking for probably six to eight weeks. What's the number one thing that you've kept in rotation for the longest time?

1:12:24I have two. Vitamin D, obviously, because my levels are chronically low without it. And I think at this point, it's a no-brainer to get your levels where they should be. And then I would say, Cocovia is another one that I have had in for a long time. Cocovia is interesting, yeah. Just because it looks really interesting in terms of vascular health. And then I think that's, well, obviously you have a high quality omega-3. Outside of that, I don't know what else I've had. What's been in your rotation forever?

1:12:51Tim Ferriss:I mean, a lot of them are dictated by genetic analysis and blood biomarkers and so on. Right? So outside of prescription stuff, because I am taking things to not die of cardiovascular disease, because everybody in my family gets smoked by some kind of cardiovascular disease, and I'm like, eh, I'm no spring chicken. Are you taking Repatha too? Yeah, I'm taking Repatha. Where do you inject it? In the thigh. I hate it. It's so painful. Oh, really? I find it so painful. Oh my God. Dude, I can tell you a secret. What's the secret? How long do you let the alcohol dry for? I don't think it's the alcohol.

1:13:24Dude, I'm telling you.

1:13:25Tim Ferriss:I've done thousands of injections of myself. You've got to let it, because if you just like swipe, swipe, swipe, and then go pop, it hurts so, because it's pushing the alcohol down into the cut. Yeah, maybe I'm not waiting long enough, because I'm impatient. It's possible, because... Are you letting it come to room temperature, too? Yeah, I did let it come to room temperature. Because you know it takes five times as long to inject it if you don't. Yeah, there's the prescription stuff. It's not going to apply to too broad a number of people, and I don't want anyone aping it and getting themselves into trouble.

1:13:52Tim Ferriss:But there are a few prescription meds for lipid profile. It's specifically, in my case, cholesterol absorption, hyperabsorption. But I would say supplement-wise, omega-3. I honestly try to get that from fish when I can. So I eat a lot of canned sardines and mackerel and stuff, which ties into the keto and fast mimicking diet stuff uh vitamin d yes although i'm pretty skeptical of like the entire planet having vitamin d deficiency frankly i do take it though then there's some b vitamin complex stuff i'm a shitty methylator so that's a good idea yeah same and creatine although i end up looking kind of like a puffy fat baby if i eat too much of that stuff you're doing five grams uh depends on the day right so like i took five grams today if i'm training i'm going to use at again doing weight training and then if i'm i have a crazy travel schedule ahead of me where i'm going to be in like london for one day and sweden for one day i'll be taking probably 20 to 30 grams a day because my sleep's going to be so screwed yeah yeah just to compensate for the sleep deprivation holy shit um good luck yeah i'm making it to the toilet yeah don't don't don't combine actually i'm fine with creatine if i get you told me at one point it was messing you up though well there was the story of me what did i have i had i was in san francisco this is probably tmi but whatever we're all friends here right so i was in san francisco i had my volkswagen golf they got broken into like three times for change i was so annoyed san francisco for the win and uh in any case i had to run to an international flight and i was stressed out because i was running behind and i was like well just before i go i'm gonna have double espresso 10 grams of creatine and then i had mct oil and i'm driving on my way to the airport like in a massive rush i don't have time for anything yeah and i lean to do a little squeaker and just oh no disaster in a new car no in my own car i park in long-term parking and grab a new pair out of your thing just wipe and go I, God, all right.

1:16:02Tim Ferriss:I can't believe I'm talking about this to millions of people. But basically took the underwear and like some rags that I had. Like did what I had to do for like emergency field triage. Tossed it under my car. Put on my pants. Throw in the trash, dude. Put on my pants. No, I literally was like about to miss my flight. Put my pants on commando style and then ran on and got on the flight. Wow. And I was just like, I'm sorry, everybody. I know this can't. it would be too much a wonderful cologne for anyone. We might need to edit some of that. So yeah, don't do those three at once. If you're getting Crepe or Creatine, I don't find it to mess up my stomach at all.

1:16:42Tim Ferriss:Totally fine. If you combine it with caffeine and MCT oil, MCT oil is the devil, dude. All bets are off. All bets are off. That stuff just goes straight through you. I don't know a single person that can do high dose MCT and be like, oh, my stomach's fine like yeah no you're gonna you should just pre-order the subscription of depends yeah exactly uh let me mention one other thing so related to all the mental health stuff it sounds like we're doing like tons of stuff millions of things it's actually not that complicated for me right there are a few supplements that i'm taking consistently the creatine the urolithinate etc there are a few things i'm considering like methylene blue if photobiomodulation right with the lasers or leds is something that you can experiment with once a week or once every few weeks and track changes over time.

1:17:25Tim Ferriss:Let's do that. And before and after cognitive testing, intermittent ketosis, which I find easiest to do through intermittent fasting, frankly, which I'll be doing when I travel also. I find it to help with jet lag. And then there's the exercise, right? And so what kind of exercise? I did a podcast with Dr. Tommy Wood recently. Fascinating guy. People should listen to that episode but four by four norwegian high intensity training which is like you're basically doing i guess it would be considered zone four you're really maxing out your heart rate and you're doing four minutes on three minutes off four minutes on three minutes off four minutes on you're repeating that four times and it is very much puke inducing it's a lot of lactic acid yeah the problem has always been or one of the problems has always been that if i'm traveling stationary bikes in hotels are just terrible like they will destroy my knees they're just too inconsistent in terms of settings and stuff so i was texting with tommy i don't think he'd mind me saying i'll have to double check with him but i asked him i said if in the conversation we had i was like well what are the drivers here is it vo2 max so people talk about vo2 max vo2 max vo2 max and he said well lactate actually seems to be a big driver like lactic acid driver what driver of the cognitive changes like the neuroanatomical and vascular changes and it's like okay well hold on a second i was like if that's the case there are certain ways of weight training like if you do 20 rep squats in slow cadence or any number of different things like you are going to be brimming with lactic acid could that possibly achieve the same effect you don't think it's clotho clotho is another part because clotho has been shown like hit is what creates clotho in the humans.

1:19:09Tim Ferriss:Well, clotho is another piece. I don't think it's the only piece. I think that, I mean, look, I can't wait for us to have proper injectable clotho or that lever to pull. But in the meantime, I guess the right now, today, what I'm saying is like high intensity interval training when you're traveling is not always the easiest thing to do. But like, for instance, when I go back to my hotel tonight, can I do like a couple of sets of very high repetition leg presses and just basically have lactic acid pouring out my eyeballs yeah i can do that and i can do it in like five minutes and there are many open questions about it but that's the approach i'm taking and what's really cool about the norwegian four by four that tommy describes and i think i'm remembering this correctly is that if you do it i think it's three times a week for six months you can observe the effects the beneficial effects for like five years afterwards wow holy shit isn't that fucking crazy that's amazing the durability of the effects are just nuts okay this is what i gotta i'll start by like one by one or something four by four if you're doing it properly i use a morpheus chest strap yeah uh but you're assuming a certain level of like baseline cardiovascular fitness and do four by four not not really because I mean look you don't like blow yourself apart but it's heart rate based right right so if you get winded and your heart gets gone walking on a flight of stairs like you're not going to need very much to get into the proper zone I will say for me and this comes back to the mitochondrial discussion and I've had doctors who are like that's nonsense it's all mediated by the lungs or it's actually not mediated by the lungs it's all like heart stroke volume I'm like my legs crap out first yeah before my heart rate gets to where it needs to be my legs are the weak length the fatigue in my legs.

1:20:58Tim Ferriss:I've got boots for you tonight. Can I put the boots on while you have dinner? Are these the, the ones that go all the way up the leg? Normatec? Yeah. I'll try them. Have you ever tried them? I have. I love those. Oh, they're so good. For people who don't know real quick, the quickest line, you just squeeze and then move the blood around in your legs. Great for recovery. It's like, if you want to feel like a Kobe cow. Yeah, exactly. Throw on some Normatec boots, have a cold beer while you're doing it. We could do both those things tonight. I mean, that's it from my side. that's a lot doom and gloom AI ship.

1:21:28Tim Ferriss:I don't want to talk about that. Yeah. No, let's save the doom and gloom for next time. Yeah. I think you're getting contagion from one of our other friends. The, I left out something that's kind of important. I just don't know what you're talking about. We have a buddy that just like we text with, and we love you if you're listening. Yeah. But he's like, the world is ending. It's a lot of, it's, it's, I can only, I lean dystopian anyway. It's like, I don't need anyone feeding that hyper vigilant. Like I need to become John Connor. Like I don't. Yeah. uh plus it's like can i do anything what am i gonna do what's timmy gonna do yeah exactly medicine you know the genie's out of the bottle folks so we'll save the doom and gloom for next time but in terms of an actionable thing like something i just did before coming here yeah let's say you want to experiment with this lactate as lever yeah for cognitive longevity yeah right like that's interesting okay uh and let's just say furthermore to your point right everybody's getting older and believe me, maybe you're like 20 year old dude and feeling immortal.

1:22:29Tim Ferriss:Those like fucked up joints and broken bones will add up and they will come back to haunt you like the ghost of Christmas past. So if you're trying to minimize injury risk, right. And lift there, there are a couple of different ways you can do it. One that I've been a proponent of for a long time is slow down five seconds up, five seconds down, 10 seconds up, 10 seconds down. Time under tension is huge, right? So it's like, look, if you're not a competitive power lifter, if consider moving slowly, what that requires you to do is lower the weight. You're also not going to be using momentum. The second thing you can do.

1:23:01Tim Ferriss:Testosterone. Not for lactate. Yeah, I mean, sure. When in doubt. When in doubt. When in doubt. 200 milligrams once a week. Yeah, that's a joke, people. Well, first of all, if you have it, well, anyway, don't do that. The second thing you can do, which I've been experimenting with, which Tommy Wood uses all the time, especially when traveling, is blood flow restriction cuff. Yes. I used to have some of those before my fire happened. Yes. I've got blood flow. I've got the automatic ones that would automatically keep the pressure, too. Yeah, yeah. I mean, you're not going to be, you don't want to use like a hand pump.

1:23:34Tim Ferriss:I've got the, I'm using the Katsu. Yeah, my more digital Katsu. Yeah. A-T-S-U-C-4. I'm using the C-4 because I'm like, I don't want another app on my phone. Oh, I got the app. That's nice. No, like, look, if people want apps, they can. I'm kind of along the Bill Burr lines of like, I need to install a fucking app to use my toaster now. Like, please shoot me. My hummingbird feeder. Oh, yeah. Yeah, we'll talk about that. Let me finish the blood flow restriction. We're all over the place. All right. So the blood flow restriction, all it is to cuff, it inflates, and it causes a partial occlusion, right?

1:24:06Tim Ferriss:It's cutting off circulation to your arms or your legs. And there's a lot of really good science on this. You can check it out. But what you can do when traveling, and I'm trying this right now. Tommy Wood, by the way, is a phenomenal athlete, endurance and strong man, in addition to being an incredible researcher. I don't know where they breed these people. Like Dominic D 'Agostino, same thing. Like 500-pound deadlift for 10 reps after a seven-day fast. Like, who are these people? Anyway, time is a beast. When he's traveling and he doesn't lose muscle when he's doing this, he'll use blood flow restriction and he'll bring bands.

1:24:38Tim Ferriss:He'll just have a bunch of bands. And I got to tell you, I like to think of myself as reasonably strong. I'm not a world-class powerlifter, but I think generally pretty strong. Yeah. I put on those cuffs today and I was like, I think I'll just bump it from light up to medium. Like 20 pounds? Well, it has a different metric. It has a different band strength. Yeah, in terms of... Extra large or extra strong. I can't remember. Yeah, I mean, if you use the Katsu bands. There are many other brands. Tom uses a different brand. You can find it in the podcast and put it in the show notes. But suffice to say, it's like you're using very, very light weights.

1:25:15Tim Ferriss:and it's like i can probably do hammer curls with like 40 pound dumbbells let's just say wait with those on no no that's what i was gonna say i'm saying way too much i'm saying normally right with reasonable cadence not swinging around i can probably do hammer curls like with 40 pounds without too much trouble with the blood flow restriction bands on like like literally 20 pounds is all you need oh 10 pounds yeah and uh i was doing like 30 reps and then take 15 second rest then 20 reps 15 second rest like 10 to 15 reps so you have the c4s these these bed boys i've got the c4s yeah and uh and the look katsu is expensive these are what 1 259 like that is expensive there are other options that are not that expensive but then the one that really was humbling is i was like okay i'll just do push-ups for like triceps right just because i only brought the arm bands i didn't bring the leg bands and everything this time around i can just do like walking lunges trust me and you can smoke yourself doing those but was doing push-ups and i was like well let me start moderate i'll just start on like a bench that's about 18 inches off the ground i'll do some push-ups and i did like 25 and i'm like wow that's a lot harder than i would expect right because like on the ground i could probably do i don't know 40 like good form 50 push-ups and i did i did 25 i was like wow that's uncomfortable and then i went to do the next set got like five and i was like oh i can't do it and so i increased my basically elevated myself to make it easier right and i'm doing it on like the seat of a hamstring curl machine did like 12 couldn't do anymore and then i got i got to the point where I was literally doing push-ups.

1:26:59Tim Ferriss:It's so humbling on like the railing of like some stairs. I was like, I'm basically standing up straight and I did 30 reps and I was like, this really, real quick, keeps your ego in check. 22nd version. Why is it working? Why is restricting blood flow working? Why is it building more muscle? It's doing a few different things. It's also increasing like capillary density and vasculature. It's having a whole host of effects. I, to be honest, but But doesn't it increase HGH as well, localized? It might. It makes you sweat your balls off too. And then I had another question. Not to get too technical, but could it work?

1:27:35Tim Ferriss:Could that work? Kevin's asking me if you could use blood flow restriction on your schlont. So listen. I think it sounds like a terrible idea. No, listen. They have rings that you can put around your schlonts. But listen, hear me out. Yes, I know those exist. I just literally Googled that there is smooth muscle tissue in there. Yeah. If you're telling me that you're putting bands on your arms doing lifts. How are you going to do lifts with your schwanz? You have to have a slunk erection. And then you do like some Shaolin monk. If you have the band. I'm just saying this is theory. I guess you could like do manual resistance.

1:28:14You could push it down and then bring it back up. It's down five seconds up. You know what's crazy? is like we obviously everyone knows this is a joke but it might not be you know what i mean

1:28:25Tim Ferriss:like this could be real do not do not yeah do not wrap well they have rings that they sell at stores yeah yeah okay i think you can you can try that and then report back in the next have you ever used one of the rings i don't think so you have to no i mean i would why not yeah i mean why as long as you're not gonna like completely it's not gonna just like fall off apparently it's so it locks the blood in. Well, obviously, yeah. Yeah. What else would it be for? Wabdison and Verbula don't know. Pre-Viagra era. We're talking about cock rings. We're speaking in fucking riddles here. It's like, that's what they're called.

1:29:01We're speaking in Zincol. Yeah, it's like, what is the sound of one thing? Yeah, okay. It's really fucking went in the gutter. Yeah. Quickly. Well, it was the end of the episode, so. Hummingbirds. Hummingbirds. Okay, so before we started the show, Tim's like, you gotta mention the hummingbirds. Well, I looked at your draft,

1:29:20They're so cool. Okay, so essentially for Christmas, I got my kids a hummingbird feeder with a digital camera built in. And the cool thing about it is it charges from the sunlight. And then also, so the camera just always stays on. And then also it detects what, in this case, it's a hummingbird, but they have them for normal birds as well. But it'll tell you the variety of hummingbird that landed. Oh, no, no. And then it uses AI. And then you can name them. And so we have one name.

1:29:49Tim Ferriss:Tony's back. Exactly. and we have one named sunset our girl's name the sunset because it has this beautiful red neck and and we're like uh i'll get a text notification sunset is drinking that's the one bird buddy smart solar pro hummingbird feeder and uh it's fun people because these things are so beautiful and the videos are there the videos are amazing and then they play with each other and you watch them hovering and you get full audio so you you see the little tiny tongues like sticking out it's just amazing it's really cool the videos were quite cool then i got the one that is for just standard birds which has bird feed that comes down yeah and motherfuckers squirrels are taking it over oh they're just they are ruthless they jump like there's nothing you could do to keep them out of it like they they will spring onto it and then you see they're like sadly they look out because they don't want to get attacked yeah and so you just all i have is squirrel ass on my freaking camera i'm like god damn it like how do i get rid of the squirrels have you heard of mark rober does this name anything no who created like the ultimate squirrel ninja warrior course in his backyard put it on youtube let me yeah there we go all right mark rober squirrels i think he had the same problem here we go backyard squirrel maze 1.0 ninja warrior cars people have to check this out oh no ads no free ads i gotta pay for my pro yeah you're not paying the five dollars a month you're buying seven thousand dollar japanese vintage jackets so you won't pay five dollars to get rid of these goddamn ads so here all those yeah look at this setup right so this is like mr beast for squirrels it's oh yeah look these guys just get oh my god it's totally mr beast for squirrels like you said them do all these obstacle courses they stick their head through and then they get a photo taken

1:31:51all right we'll link to that people you have to watch this video backyard squirrel maze 1.0 by

1:31:55Tim Ferriss:Mark Rober. Dude, this is... R-O-B-E-R. 144 million views. See, this is the kind of shit where I'm like, I should have come up with this idea. Like, this is too good. All right. Solid. Hummingbirds and cock rings. Yeah, we covered it all this time, people. Brought to you. This is a random show. Brother, good to see you. Yeah, good to see you too, man. Glad you're feeling better and yeah, to be continued. All right, folks. We'll put everything in the show notes. Timed up log slash podcast. Random show. It's going to be one of those. Search for cock rings. It'll be the only result on Tim.blog. And until next time, take care of yourselves.

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  • [00:00:00] A meditative start.
  • [00:02:19] Reflecting on our second Zen retreat in Santa Fe with Henry Shukman.
  • [00:04:08] Ketone liver warnings and eggplant allergies: The perils of raiding Kevin’s fridge.
  • [00:08:06] “Just be still” — three simple words that miraculously shut down my OCD.
  • [00:13:54] Is meditation secretly vagus nerve stimulation?
  • [00:20:17] DIY vagus nerve stim for $25 vs. Kevin’s $900 ear clip.
  • [00:24:57] HeartMath and watching your HRV move in real time.
  • [00:27:57] Marching toward 50: balance boards and the end of jiu-jitsu.
  • [00:31:26] Tony Hawk snowboarding Hokkaido with screws in his hip.
  • [00:33:01] Slacklining and why your nervous system needs sleep cycles.
  • [00:35:19] Bertolotti’s Syndrome: My six-year back pain gets a name.
  • [00:37:09] The nerve block test: everything wrong, zero pain.
  • [00:44:10] Abrahangs tendon protocol: 10 seconds on, 50 off.
  • [00:46:24] The NUG: a pocket hangboard for travelers.
  • [00:48:31] Craig Mod’s Japanese toothbrush and Toaster’s cameo.
  • [00:50:45] Kevin’s $92 vintage fire jacket: Blue Heritage Japan.
  • [00:54:26] Podcast picks: The Power Broker and STEM Talk.
  • [00:56:20] Alzheimer’s: A plaque or mitochondrial problem?
  • [00:57:30] 10 grams of ketones turns one-word answers into sentences.
  • [00:58:40] Methylene blue on Amazon: 120 years of research, zero guardrails.
  • [01:02:36] Bredesen Protocol, APOE genotyping, and a cognitive comeback.
  • [01:05:32] Photobiomodulation: $30k laser to the forehead.
  • [01:07:55] Urolithin A and the high price of mitochondrial upkeep.
  • [01:14:56] Recipe for disaster pants: espresso + creatine + MCT oil.
  • [01:17:39] Norwegian 4×4 training and lactate as a brain lever.
  • [01:23:15] Blood flow restriction bands and schwantz ring koans.
  • [01:29:08] Hummingbirds named Sunset and squirrel obstacle courses.
  • [01:32:06] Parting thoughts.

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