#865: The Most Incredible Transformation I’ve Ever Seen — Jerzy Gregorek on Autism, Cerebral Palsy, Coaching, and the Power of Micro-Progressions

30:18And I discussed that with Tajan, and I told Tajan how devoted was his father. Eventually, when we started having conversation, philosophical conversation, appreciative conversation, So I tried to pass on him the appreciation of his father, enlarge the imagination about his father. If the father was not committed to that for five years to bring his son twice a week and every time spend four hours and the money, then I told Tajan, you wouldn't be who you are today. he helped you to become what you are the gen you know it was interesting he was just sometimes look and you could see that he was thinking about something sometimes he liked the most joy that I saw in him he was breaking the records and some videos are there it was just like

31:29Tim Ferriss:he was it's in the it's in the dark he was so joyous that is like when you see children sometimes very joyous in that moment that nothing else happens and it was ecstatic it was so pleasurable to see we're like an athlete winning gold at the Olympics on the platform let's talk as promised about responsibility in adulthood which was a crafty strategy on your part? Could you speak to that? He didn't want to play piano first. Because he had been required to take piano lessons. So father told him to play piano and he didn't like to come to the workout and training. He didn't like the training. So he didn't like the piano and he didn't like the training.

32:25Yeah, and he said, I want to stop the piano. And I said, well, you know, You're not an adult, you cannot do it. Somebody needs to decide for you. But when you become an adult, you can stop the piano, you don't have to come here for the training. I said, well, then what is the adult? So we started discussing, so what do you think? And we started discussing what is really an adult. So I said, well, you know, adult is independent. What does it mean independent? And I said, working, making money, living somewhere separately, and so on and so on. But then I said, but there's another thing that we can consider you an adult.

33:12If you jump on an 18-inch box. So he was jumping at that time around 11, 12 bucks.

33:22Tim Ferriss:Oh, 11, 12 inches. Yeah. He got so excited. and he thought that he can conquer it very quickly. And he was on a mission with this box, I tell you. He was like the energy that was generated in him. Wow, it's the same energy like in me when I wanted to go to Olympics. I would run to the forest at 2 a.m., whatever it was needed to do, I would do. And I would do with lots of energy. and it's just commitment. And so he was committed. He wanted to jump. But I knew that six inches, it will take two years. It's like a progression is there. He was not going to do it easily. But, you know, we were on and we were on and on.

34:14And then he came to, I think, about like 17 something inches. He was so excited. and then we ended up with some problems and he had to heal his back because it's not so simple to just jump on anything. It was a huge challenge for me.

34:33Tim Ferriss:When people watch the documentary and I would have mentioned this in the introduction but I made a short link. It doesn't sound short but easy to remember link that'll point you straight to it on YouTube. If you just go to tim.blog slash hardchoices if you go to tim.blog slash hard choices it'll take you straight to the doc but when you watch the doc and you look at Dijin's before what his motion, motor control, walking looked like before and imagine him jumping onto a 17 inch box it is unimaginable when you look at the starting point really just incredible now I want to hear you explain another development that I think is just so compelling, and that is related to math.

35:28Tim Ferriss:So he starts memorizing license plate numbers. You're also working with him on repetitions and building up some of that arithmetic muscle. How did he go from that to doing math five to six hours a day and having that fire lit with him? Well, it was progressive. It was progressive, but that's why I'm asking. How did he get there? So first I started really working on the counting. So he had to count from until 20 or 30. I just want to pause to just let people have that sink in for a second. Math five to six hours a day, which again, we're going to talk about the journey. Like most people on 20 cups of coffee a day could not do five to six hours of math a day.

36:14I asked him about the counting. First was the counting. He couldn't count to 20. So I said, okay, let's count to 15. Can you count to 15? So we counted to 15. When he got to 15, I said, you go home and you start learning to count to 20. So he came back and I tested him. Did you count to 20? Yeah. So, okay, count. So he counted. So then I add the addition. How much is 5 plus 7? He wouldn't know. So homework, going homework, you learn how much is 5 by 6, 7, 8, 9, all the calculation up to 20 for the adding. Then subtraction, division, multiplication, all of it until, you know, the number 10 or 20.

37:06Then counting to 30, 40, 50, 100. And when we got there, I told that he needs a tutor. We need a tutor, math tutor, and English tutor. He needs both. So they hired people to help. So I was testing, of course, but he had these tutors. So I think that it was an amazing addition to work on his brain. And I noticed the same story with other cerebral palsy people that have difficulties with math. Some of them that I saw that I had good English, but math looks like difficulties. So eventually when he progressed with energy, with bench press, came to a certain point within a year that he could press about 100 pounds.

38:11And that gave him enough energy that he could go to his computer and spend hours on the computer to study his elementary school. He started actually elementary school. And, you know, because he was not in elementary school, so he was 25 years old when he was sick, so he joined this program, elementary school program, and he started, you know, working through it on his own. And after two years, he passed the whole elementary school. Then he started high school. Another two years, and he passed. normal high school I know like a normal the same program as other people do and father said Chachin is like on fire he's like it's 2am and he's still on his computer and he started like 8pm and at 2am he's on his computer and he doesn't want to stop for something in him awaken and powerful.

39:30And at the same time, he started noticing that who he was as a person, that actually he was a person and he was cerebral palsy. And that generated a lot of negativity in him, a lot of resentment to his father and mother. and then he started really talking that he hates his mother and then he hated everything at that

40:01Tim Ferriss:time yeah before yeah what did you notice in in just a flash forward right i mean he's his father's reported that he's living in independent existence taking care of his own needs planning his own days orders uber rise to get to his classes manages his own paperwork work so that's the after what did you notice in terms of how did you cultivate this if you did i don't know if you did this deliberately or if it was a byproduct of everything else but emotional range or facial expressions did any of those did any of that change over the course of the training emotionally he was blank the same for a long time you mean in whatever circumstances Yeah, but at a certain point, he started being negative and expressing his negativity.

40:53And then he made these moves and couldn't see where he was. I was looking for where he was. But I addressed negativity as something that needed to be fixed. So whenever he said that he hated something, I challenged it. challenge it in a way, why is it good, right? He was negative, but then why police is good? Why the son is good? Why the father is good? Why the mother is good? So expanding and expanding imagination for him to facilitate this so he could find in his mind actually acceptance that actually is a good thing. is a huge shift in his psych believing and liking people he never liked me it's just like I don't like you and he says I don't like you how long did he say that for?

41:56all the time he just never liked me so

42:01Tim Ferriss:he'll celebrate and give you a high five for your training but still I don't know even today if you like probably not

42:12you know I created a lot of hard choices for him so he went out you know eventually he will he will come to this point that he will maybe like what I done maybe but not really me

42:29Tim Ferriss:oh wow that's kind of amazing well you know what as long as you don't care about the credit you're doing good work in the world well yeah it's not really I was not you know, they're too shy. Of course, of course. Could you talk about helping him or asking him to identify heroes a bit? That also stuck out to me. Could you provide a little bit of context to people on that piece of the puzzle? Yeah, he was already in elementary school. And he was writing an essay about a hero. That was an assignment? Yes, a hero did. From school, not from you. Yeah, yeah, from school. because he already had a tutor, English tutor.

43:12So he was always proud that when he did something, he was bringing something and reading me. He read it. So he wrote about Genghis Khan. And I said, okay, so is Genghis Khan a hero? Yeah. Okay, so I said, well, why he is a hero? He talked a little bit. And then I said, so who is a hero? Well, that created a philosophical approach. So we ended up that the hero is really risking their own life for others, to save others. But that's not Genghis Khan. So Genghis Khan was not that. He was a conqueror, but he was not a hero. And then at the same time, I watched this movie about Admiral, actually Korean.

44:07Admiral, about 300 Japanese ships were coming to Korea to, you know, conquer them. And he, with one ship and 12, he stood up to them. And actually, the 12 ships, you know, the people didn't want to fight, wanted to surrender. He said no. And he fought and he fought. And these other 12 ships, you know, joined him eventually. And the whole armada, Japanese armada, turned back. And I said, that is your hero. And I said, that is your hero from Korea. And you are going to rewrite this essay. But it's too late. I said, it's not too late. You're going to go to your teacher. You tell the teacher why Genghis Khan was not a hero.

44:59And you want to rewrite the essay. Okay. I said, okay. You go and do it. And he did. And he wrote the essay. The teacher agreed. I can see why he might not like you. It's pretty fair. It was very quick. You know, think about it. I was coaching him. I understand the purpose. He was jumping. He was lifting. And at the same time, we did poetry, math, English, right? All of it together. And it was quick. Hard teachers. Why he wouldn't like me. I don't know. Yeah, well, there are many reasons. But, you know, one day he wanted to step on a six-inch box, I remember. And he tries to step, and he would not.

45:49Tim Ferriss:And this is the one foot up. Just stepping one foot and then stepping up. And then stepping up. And then like on the stair, right? It was like, yeah. It was, I don't know. And they're like, I couldn't make it. So I grabbed his shirt and pulled him. I've seen the video. In and on. In and on. And after about two times, I left him and he was jumping on this box like one of the other, stepping one, one, one, and so fast. It's just amazing what the brain is. You get a little bit of help and suddenly the door opens up and the progression is huge and fast. It's amazing. I tell you what I was watching, what I learned during this process.

46:33Wow.

46:34Tim Ferriss:even to this day i know that modern science has come to a greater appreciation of brain plasticity and the malleability and adaptability and of course just as the let's call it broadly speaking this is a simplification but the control center for the entire body right the brain's job is to keep the body alive so they're they're dance partners there is just so much room for improvement and a lot of the science that I've supported has been related to this, but this was the first time I'd ever seen such an amazing transformation in someone with cerebral palsy that was so clearly and well-documented also.

47:16Tim Ferriss:And I want to talk about next steps in a little bit to try to expand this into a study. But before we get there, can you speak to training logic? So I think that was after about two years of already training with him, but working on his thought process using poetry. Why did you do that? He couldn't really read the lines of poetry and understand the feelings, emotions behind. Then I started really doing the math and seeing whether he can think logically. So I tested him if A is B and B is C. So if A is also C and playing these games. and slowly he started not only being logical in asking him about writing something about what is logic and give me the example.

48:22So he would bring me, was there logic or not? So we tested that and then added the math. But the most difficult for him was to read a line of poetry and know the metaphor, or not really what really happened, but what was the meaning of the line. Behind the words, not just the words. Yeah, and every line. So when I asked him to remember and recite a poem, he would recite a poem. And then we analyzed the poem every line, line after line. And what is the meaning? What is the feeling of the line? And that was an amazing possibility for him to learn the language and the feelings behind the language, the emotions.

49:13At the beginning, he didn't have any clue about the feelings, what the actually written words express when it comes to feelings.

49:24Tim Ferriss:when I think about your entire coaching experience with Tajin I'm struck by how many different levers you were able to help him pull but one that sort of meta lesson that pops out to me and I'd love for you to correct this if I'm not thinking about it the right way is that he didn't respond to people in conversation. Didn't have much of a response in part, and I'm projecting here, because he didn't have the belief that he could. He had no history to support the belief that he could. And then with physical movement, similar, and you gave the example, I mean, this is a very fast example, but of grabbing the shirt and kind of forcing him to do it.

50:11Tim Ferriss:And then within a few repetitions, you let go and he's doing it on his own. And of course, there's the progression over time, but even with the poetry and how you gave him assignments to practice public speaking, without that, he wouldn't have had the confidence to then speak, say, within the more complicated context of school with classmates and things like that. I have to imagine, but I sometimes have listeners or readers ask me, what can I read to develop more confidence and I'm like well you can try to read to develop more confidence but really you're not going to fool yourself you need to do things to develop the history of doing things so that you have confidence does that resonate or would you add or reframe that some somehow you know yeah of course you know what you say it's a certain perspective but I would like to tell you about my perspective.

51:07Tim Ferriss:Yeah, that's what I'm asking. You know, I show the mind, the brain as something that needs to find a way forward and find a way around those patches that were dead. And I saw it everywhere. I saw it in math when you cannot know what is two plus two that is four and you struggle. You know, for me, the child struggles to find out what is 2 plus 2. Eventually, the child knows. So there are certain connections already. And then 2 plus 3 and so on. So development of math, I saw crucial here, very important, that when I am not there, he can practice actually the math. And by practicing the math, we overcome these many steps, the steps of progression and microprogression.

52:10And also that challenge has this plasticity of the brain. That plasticity, you know, like I thought, okay, I make him strong doesn't mean that something else is going to happen. Or maybe I will not make him strong because the mouth is not developed. So I saw that connection between the squat the bench, the numbers, the words, and beliefs, and philosophy. I saw connections everywhere, and I created the challenges, the hard choices, every time. Everywhere, for me, you know, bench pressing, going from 100 pounds to 102, was not different than to know what is 15 plus 17. If I know what is 15 plus 17, it's another thing that when it happens, something happens in the brain that was not there before.

53:18And I started facilitating all this development of the brain that would be challenged, developed from different perspectives. And I think that eventually the research needs to be done. I try to understand what I've done because I've never really worked with a person like that. So I try to understand too what happened there. How did it happen? And whether there is possibility even to replicate this and help so many people. Tudgeon's progress is amazing, crazy, amazing, magical. And if that could be replicable, wow, we could help a lot of people.

54:11Tim Ferriss:Well, let's talk about it because before we start recording, I was trying to get an idea of the rough number of cerebral palsy diagnoses in the U.S. and you're based in northern california so i wanted to get an id in california these are real back the napkin rough internet responses but it seems like let's call it roughly one million diagnoses in the u.s potentially and then that could be occurrence in that diagnoses but somewhere between 100 and 120 000 in california alone so this is a non-trivial condition it's very prevalent. And if you could develop a method, right, through doing research, develop a method that you mentioned could be replicated, could be taught to physical therapists, then this could have a tremendous impact on a wide scale.

55:05Tim Ferriss:And maybe we could talk about what some of your thoughts are, and I'm going to create a web form for people who want to potentially indicate interest in certain facets of this, but what might the program look like? How many patients would you have? What would it look like in practice to do a research project to determine if you can formulate a method that would be replicable or a template maybe with a little bit of tweaking here and there that physical therapists could use or others? Meantime, I had some experience with other cerebral palsy people. And, you know, my approach is one, that I believe that everybody can improve.

55:50So it really doesn't matter for me if it's cerebral palsy or not. If it's chronic fatigue, it can happen. If it's fibromyalgia, the progress can happen. So with cerebral palsy, when we think about cerebral palsy, people, they have different conditions, different beginnings. The most important is to find where is the beginning, where to start. It's one of the major things because usually I think that we want too much. It's not going to happen. So we need to find this very tiny thing. You remember Jewel in Hawaii? hey, you helped me to go and coach her. She was 18 at that time, and she couldn't control her head and arms and legs.

56:43So her mother would hold her, and I would try to find out where is the beginning with her. And she has, you know, hands like this, and was moving. And I found out that I pointed to one place. I took a ball very close to her, like about an inch from her arm and fingers, and asked her to touch it. And she struggled and struggled. And we found a way where actually she could touch it. And she was so happy when she touched. Oh, I have to send you these videos. It's just you can cry when you can see things like this. and her joy when she was doing it. So also the math. I found out that her mind was very good with stories.

57:40She could talk about some things and she loved the stories to listen to stories. But her math was not really different than the dance. It was like she could only count from one to ten and then adding, you know, two plus five, she would. And then we would start with it. So I see the math is a major part of that method. The physical is, of course, the beginning. The beginning is how strong they are and how flexible they are. Flexibility is the main point here because the awkwardness comes from both. one thing that the brain, the mind cannot control those places, but those places also, the parts of the body became that way.

58:29So that's why awkwardness is coming in. So the physical, and the physical improvement of the physical becomes challenging because they can injure themselves, they can be in pain, and they have to, those who will facilitate, They will need to know how to start, how to use the microprogression, how to write everything down. Like Tejan knew all his numbers. He knew how to measure the time of five or ten jumps and he would write all the jumps and brought to me to the gym. What he did, his homework was numbers, numbers, numbers, numbers. not only the numbers of counting but also the numbers of measure

59:19Tim Ferriss:right? So just to hop in for a second I would love to help of course that's part of the reason we're doing this conversation is to help facilitate trying to create some type of template that can be applied to a lot of people with cerebral palsy so the short link not to bury the lead the short link will just be tim.blog slash cp and we'll have a web form for people who may want to help from an academic perspective, ideally in Northern California, somewhere within near driving distance, since you would want to be there, I think the thought is maybe twice a week with these different folks, something like that?

59:56Yeah, I see that about maybe five several policy people and meeting them twice a week, let's say Tuesday and Friday, and for one year and that add another five, so now it's ten, another five, and do it for five years. Record everything, see how it works, bring therapists or others that could actually watch, observe, and learn. And I believe that this replicability is possible. We need to test it. We need to explore whether, how is it really possible? What can we actually do when we have this 25 people? It could be that it was because I was there, but I don't want to say that it was because of me everything happened.

1:01:02It could be that perfect storm happened. I was a math teacher. I'm a poet. I'm a weightlifter. so all of it happened that I was this one person facilitating that but when we do research we don't have to have one person we can have you know math people English and you know philosophers and we can have trainers we can create a center and in that center we can think about how we can progress, how we can improve and document everything in details the same way as I was doing. Microprogression is an amazing power.

1:01:54Tim Ferriss:It strikes me also that with the right people involved and with the right consistency and I mean you might need a faculty member to agree to spearhead it and then there would be fundraising which is pretty straightforward to figure out. And then they would have postdocs or people underneath them would help with recruitment, although I don't think that'll be a problem after this podcast, patient recruitment, and then making the trains run on time. But I could see a path, as I'm sure you've thought about this, much more than I have, but where you could end up with something like a core curriculum of principles that you're teaching.

1:02:34Tim Ferriss:and maybe you're recording video modules to explain these things to practitioners where it's like microprogressions, finding a place to start. What are different ways to find a place to start? And then perhaps there are certain things that won't apply to everyone. So for instance, we didn't talk about it. We don't have to spend a lot of time on it, but Taejin was kind of crumpled to the right side, right? So you had a ball hanging from the ceiling that you would have him reach up to touch to help correct that. So there might be core curriculum and principles and then sort of ancillary principles and techniques that can be applied on a case-by-case basis.

1:03:10Tim Ferriss:But then you end up with this core curriculum that people can learn remotely or something like that. I mean, it's really exciting to think about. I think that at this point, I see that we can assess these people from five perspectives, I think. The physical perspective, where they are physically, and where is the flexibility, where is the strength. Math perspective, language perspective, philosophy perspective, beliefs perspective, where they are. So easily we can take the psychology and psychologists and develop certain ways of assessing them. Where are beliefs, right? In math, it's very clear, right?

1:03:56in the language, probably English teachers, and they will create very quickly curriculum to find out where is the level of that. And then once we have the assess, okay, we have a physical problem that is 80%, math is only 3%, the person is really good at math in English as well. But we're going to have also that math is not there at all and walking is good. So there are all possibilities how we can assess from these five perspectives, these people. But we need to also explore and experience them. Not only one person to join because it's just only one person. Now we need to see, can we actually do with five?

1:04:50can we actually deliver what we delivered i mean this is the scientific method right

1:04:55Tim Ferriss:and you have such a fantastic starting point it's an end of one although you've worked with more than one person with cerebral palsy at this point but let me just give the url out again so for people who might be interested this is if you are at stanford or ucsf or san jose state or someplace that might be able to help with this type of research. If you are in a financial position and would like to support this type of research, go to tim.blog.com. Or if you have other resources you want to bring to bear on this in some way, tim.blog.com. The letters CP, standing for cerebral palsy. So tim.blog.com.

1:05:34Tim Ferriss:And just fill out the web form. I'm incredibly excited about this. We covered a lot in our first conversation. We've covered a lot in this conversation. is there anything else that you'd like to mention or cover that we haven't gotten to already today? Another question well yeah we covered a lot but I think one of the most important you know thing is that people can get help and if we have the right approach we can facilitate, create that and of course they change. We didn't change them. We have to remember that we are facilitators. We are not really cultures that created the powerful human being, that actually powerful human being created themselves.

1:06:29We have to create a place where it's athletically aligned with athleticism and not care only. We know, I see that as soon as we care or we exercise without mission or purpose or goals, then we can exercise for 10 years and never change. So I saw these people, thousands of these people. It doesn't apply only to cerebral palsy because it applies everywhere else. But with cerebral palsy, it's very interesting because they have this situation in the mind, in the brain, that actually we could work with. These are the patches in the brain that we can create the peripheral nervous system that actually goes around.

1:07:24We can create that mind, that plasticity of the mind we can create. I have a strong feeling that this is possible. I always believed that it can be done. I just created challenges, constant challenges with the Jan that could deliver the results, the change, the why I wanted. It has to be always the, where are you going with it? So for me, he had to walk straight. He had to walk soft. And for me, I would not sleep until I would get it. So we need devoted people. We need people that are devoted to this, to these people to help them. Not just physical therapists that want us to make money and go home.

1:08:14This is a huge challenge. These people are extremely challenging and we need to also challenge them. And by creating this challenge, we can hear the amazing thing actually. So it is not something that somebody has cancer and it will get worse. That's not the situation here. It's a unique situation with cerebral palsy people. That we have the situation that somebody is and somebody doesn't change for worse. Somebody is like that. Can change for worse too because life happens. But because people are like that, we have very clear slate to begin with. We are not dealing with ill people, sick people.

1:09:03We're just dealing with people who mechanically something happened to their brain. And that can create for us a really great beginning. And it could be that with almost any civil policy, something like this return to I wouldn't say they cannot return because many of them they are just that way so they cannot return anywhere but they can improve and become like Tajan become Tajan that is going to college from the person that was only waiting for food and sleep and couldn't go to the toilet and was lethargic all the time, the life was like that for him, and that life would be like that, right? If nothing happened, what actually we did, he would be that person.

1:10:06And the parents, here's the parents. The parents, I saw happy parents, but after three, four years, They actually, they were like a ticking bomb, you said, about intensity between these three people, right? But about three or four years, I saw them happy first time. Happy. And that is enough, you know, to fight for, right? to give everything, whatever you have, to create the happiness in these three people who were worrying all the time what will happen if they die, what will happen if something happens. Now they don't have to worry anymore. Tajan is, you know, completely independent. He is in college, for Christ's sake.

1:11:04Just imagine that. in a lot of that, I believe, 100%, that can happen with everyone.

1:11:15Tim Ferriss:The happy body microprogressions mean your philosophies. And philosophy might scare people off. Your principles can be applied to so many different things that you and Aniela have developed over the years. Really want to make this research project happen. So folks, if you're interested in any way helping with that, in whatever capacity, go to tim.blog.com. and then also want to mention just like the way that you and aniela coach can be applied most certainly to many different conditions many different circumstances all circumstances in some sense i want to give a shout out to jeff wolf the director of prisoner no more i always ask everybody and before i talk to them or do anything with them what would make it truly a home run and he just mentioned the bigger opportunity is to position prisoner no more not just as a standalone short but as a proof of concept for a larger series the vision is a slate under the same umbrella so you could have prisoner no more for alcoholism prisoner no more for fill in the blank right which i think is also very exciting so i really really hope people you gotta watch it you gotta see what we're talking about visually it'll just a lot of you are gonna cry i'm gonna to tell you in advance, but it's good cry.

1:12:31Tim Ferriss:So check it out. Tim.blog slash hard choices in honor of hard choices, easy life, easy choices, hard life. So Tim.blog slash hard choices. Check it out. You can find the happy body and more on Jersey and Aniela's training at the happybody.com. And I'll link to everything in the show notes as usual at Tim.blog slash podcast. So if you're like, that's a lot to remember. Don't worry about it. Just go to Tim.blog slash podcast and search Jersey, not spelled like New Jersey, but spelled J-E-R-Z-Y. And trust me, there's only one Jersey on my website. It's Jersey Gregorick. Jersey, thank you so much for the time.

1:13:12Tim Ferriss:It's always great to see you. Thank you, Tim. Everybody, thanks for listening. We'll grab a bite to eat tonight. Yeah, sure. With the whole gang. And everybody who has tuned in as always, I appreciate you. Till next time, be just a bit kinder than is necessary to others and to yourself. But, not just comfort. Don't just make yourself feel better. Don't just eat that cheeseburger and watch reality TV on Netflix. Challenge yourself. Wherever you happen to be, you can make progress. You can make amazing progress. You just need to find the right starting point. And for that reason, check out thehappybody.com.

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1:14:29Tim Ferriss:It's kind of like my diary of cool things. It often includes articles I'm reading, books I'm reading, albums perhaps, gadgets, gizmos, all sorts of tech tricks and so on that get sent to me by my friends, including a lot of podcast guests. and these strange esoteric things end up in my field and then I test them and then I share them with you. So if that sounds fun, again, it's very short, a little tiny bite of goodness before you head off for the weekend, something to think about. If you'd like to try it out, just go to tim.blog slash Friday, type that into your browser, tim.blog slash Friday, drop in your email and you'll get the very next one.

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1:16:28Tim Ferriss:I do not like decision fatigue. I don't like doing things repeatedly. Anywhere I can set it and forget it is a win and gives me more time for the things I enjoy doing. That is why I'm such a fan of today's sponsor, Matic, as in automatic, M-A-T-I-C. As their tagline goes, the world's most advanced floor cleaner. Frankly, it does a lot more than that, and they've got a lot of cool things coming, but it's the closest thing to a house that cleans itself. To quote Wired Magazine, quote, this is the best robot vacuum we've tested, and it scored a rare 10 out of 10. And Matic learns your home and runs quietly in the background.

1:17:06Tim Ferriss:It's very, very quiet. I've been testing it myself. It vacuums, mops, docks itself, and doesn't strangle itself on charging cables or get wedged under your couch. It's pretty amazing. And people with kids and dogs have been telling me all about it. I put out a note on social asking how people liked it, if they liked it. And the response was kind of mind-blowing. Not only because the comments were overwhelmingly exuberantly positive, but my phone blew up. I got texts from nearly a dozen friends telling me how much they love their Matic. So that was a first. So to quote another media outlet, The Verge writes, this Wally-like bot fixes the stuff every other robot vacuum gets wrong.

1:17:43Tim Ferriss:And there are tons of people involved with this who I respect a lot. We've got Silicon Valley legend Naval Ravikant and Shopify CEO Toby Lutke. They love theirs. And as I mentioned, they're investors. And my friend Kevin Rose has been raving all about it. The list goes on and on. So check it out. See what all the buzz is about. Go to maticrobots.com slash Tim. That's M-A-T-I-C robots.com. maticrobots.com slash Tim today and experience the closest thing to a house that cleans itself. New customers get free bags for a year. One more time, maticrobots.com slash Tim.