A Sad Day For Women: Thursday, April 3rd, 2025

24:36I watch all their clips. It feels like enough. It really does. You kind of get the essence of the show. Yeah, no, and it's doing great. And I'm so proud of her, you know? Yeah. And I think, I don't know, I don't really remember where she was at culturally in 2019, but the show did wonders for her, right? Especially Kelly Oki with TikTok, like really introduced her to a younger audience. She's now like the cover queen. There's like so many jokes in pop culture. Don't let Kelly Clarkson cover one of your songs. So I really feel like it was very good for her. She spoke, I remember on Watch Happens Live, about how she's had a lot of peaks and valleys in her career.

25:08And it's been difficult at times to get people to want to make music with her. And now she's so out of that. She's like a bona fide icon now. And I think in large part due to the show and then NBC tapping her. I think due to the toast. Seriously, we could be proper up anymore. Even before she was on NBC, nobody was stumping harder for Kelly Clarkson. even though if Kelly has like a clock winding down on her time in New York that means she also has a clock winding down on her likelihood of coming on the toast so let's just put it out there again Kelly please she doesn't want to come on no no she does I'm telling you we heard from her team once when she was doing chemistry she has done so much press like podcasts swirly like you know nonsense video press whatever crickets she doesn't want to come on stop saying that like she does I know she does but then she wait I met her I met her and I told her about the toes do we do we forget that at the Celine Dion Amazon Prime event and she was obviously she was aware of the swirlitude she had a swirly next to her and she was like that's the swirlies and she was like so nice and I told her about my 5k like I love her Jackie she's coming stop she's coming hashtag Shea Kelly is coming.

26:24I just like, she's my fave. I've given up, you know, for so long. She's like my dream guest. But I feel like I forget what she was doing press for. Don't give up. No, I don't. Don't give up. For real. No, but not in like a negative way. Just like, I'm moving on. I'm moving on. If they sing that, like seriously kill me. Have less I can see. Call me if they do, okay? Even though the set list is like set. You know, Sachi Cratchy sent the set list. I didn't even look at it. Oh, yeah. Run through it with me. Okay, here. Hopefully it sucks. It's so funny. She literally works in music. Like, the way we was texting her, what time do they go on?

27:02What's the set list? Right. Margot's so crazy. They open with Here's to You. Okay. By the way, it makes me feel better. I have seen Rascal Flatts. You and I went in Dallas. We had the best time. So I've heard them sing that song. Then Yours If You Want It. fuck okay then fast cars and freedom oh they didn't sing that when we were together and i just want to say like actually i'm moving on is not the song that like i will kill myself if they sing if they sing how they remember you like that oh i heard that is my 13th reason at um pnc bank art center in new jersey and it was like very emo i love that song it's such a powerful message list but did you make him laugh did you make him cry did you quit or did you hide they do sing i'm moving on but they're not singing that this time they're not singing i'm moving on or they are they are oh damn uh then four was stand mayberry which i'm having a renaissance with the blake shelton cover is very good amazing yeah my wish classic i could live without it You gotta play, I wish, though.

28:10Like, it's Rascal Flatts. Banjo. I'm moving on. Oh, I fucking love Banjo. Why Wait? So good. I Dare You, the Jonas Brothers song. Oh, that song's really good, too. Then These Days, so good. I was just listening to that this morning. That's what I'm doing these days. No, that's a tearjerker. Oh, then they do Sweet Caroline. Fun. Bum, bum, bum. It's so Gen X of them. Bless the Broken Road, of course. could live without yeah same oh the blood of jesus yes they do some worship music i i do know that it's part of their set list maybe that's when you go to the bathroom or something yeah no i'll um partake i'll support support my boys i like the sound of that so good cute what hurts the most classic oh i like that song they're best-selling songs like what hurts the most bliss the broken road like i could like to me well play play if you played but yeah play your justin bieber collab i actually love what hurts the most like even though it's overplayed kind of like life is a highway like it will always hit for me life is a highway does always hit and then me and my gang me and my gang that's literally me you romeo and bruno we rock to live well i hope you have the best time and then the encore is summer nights and life is a highway which you know me i leave before the encore what are the rascals i know and i think we're driving so like we kind of you'll just have to i will definitely stay for summer nights i might like i it's not in me to like stay till the last song i could be having the time of my life at a concert but like when i know it's the time to leave to beat the traffic especially like at msg or something like i don't care what happens next i'm out i know i care more about the efficiency of the exit than anything else Taylor Swift gate.

29:59Of course. I was also like in the thick of first trimester nausea. I was going to die at that stadium. But it's like, I feel like people didn't believe me that I just like would leave. Like I will leave during life as a highway. I will do that. Yeah, no, I, I'm with you. Like my obsession with efficiency and like beating lines trumps any song. No. And like when I think back, like when Zach and I went to the Stanley Cup, like the joy I felt like leaving right before like the final second. You driving past all the cars that are still parked. People haven't even got. And we're like hearing the buzzer in the stadium.

30:31And it's like our team is about to win the Stanley Cup. Like I'm happier to leave than to watch us win the Stanley Cup. Yeah. But the Swifties of course took it personally, right? Of course they did. But that's just not our problem. I'm not going to forgive them for that. I'm not going to forgive them either. And I wouldn't even be mad if you never forgave me for letting you take the fall for that. When the reason we left was me. You know I love it, coaches. I know. I know. Jackie like loves to say, she's like, yeah, bring it on. Whereas I was like feeling so guilty. I was just like dying and Ben was texting Jackie like, can you please get Claudia out of there?

31:03Like I was so not okay. Especially when I know I've done nothing wrong and then like people are coming at me with, because like they don't know. Jackie is seriously like, she is fueled on moments like that. Yeah. And I just like have the higher ground. I'm like, I'm looking down like Regina George at all the moments. Yes. Yes. On the mess you created. Are you ready for our next story? Is it seriously only number two? It's only number two. And it's sad news about Teddy Mellencamp, but she is sharing like the tragedy in her life. While also like still having a humorous spin on things, which is just so admirable.

31:38But she did an interview with Us Weekly that came out yesterday. And she said that she is fighting for her life as doctors discover four more brain tumors as her cancer battle rages on. And it's metastasized like into her brain. Yeah. She says as she continues her fight against her diagnosis, She has stopped using her famed phrase, mom always comes back with her family. She said, I've not said that line to them since I've been back from the hospital. They all know that I'm fighting the hardest I possibly can, but I haven't said it because I don't want to lie to them and I don't know. So she is still in ongoing treatment for her cancer, which has gotten worse.

32:15And she's opened up about that. She also talks about the housewives bit of it and everyone who's reached out. She's still a podcaster at heart. Like she's still giving us the drama. Yeah, she shared the one housewife who has not reached out, and that was Garcelle. She said that up until recently, Dorit hadn't reached out because she didn't feel like she— Know if she should. Yeah, which I understand that feeling, but then— I bet Garcelle feels that way, too. Yeah. Even though Garcelle has less of a relationship with her than Dorit. Their time on the show, they barely crossed over. Are they enemies, or are they just strangers?

32:45See, I don't think it's really contentious with Garcelle. I think it's like they barely knew each other, and now I'm sure she doesn't want to be surrounded by people she doesn't know like that might be how I felt I just feel like for Garcelle like the hits start coming and they don't stop coming like this woman can't get to break right now yeah whereas like I actually don't think it was like evil Garcelle's not a mean person like I just think I can understand how she got to the conclusion where I was like maybe Teddy doesn't need to hear from me yeah I can understand that too but apparently Teddy noticed and she also said Dorit like sent a really nice text at first she was like whatever Dorit sends it's like doesn't matter but apparently the text or each scent was like so powerful that like i think they might be able to you know get out to a good place which is really nice so it really wasn't until yesterday that i saw this news about teddy melancamp but like it actually set in like she like has cancer do you know what i mean yeah like i feel like up until this point she's always been really vocal about like her melanoma and how she's had like so many surgeries to get skin cancers removed from her back and it's always like like she said like mom comes back and then even with this tumor thing it's like okay she had like a crazy brain surgery like she's fine now I'm like understanding like she has brain cancer like yeah there's like a high like I think I was reading up it's like a 50 50 shot of making it through and then also what I had read was that like when you have tumors pushing on your brain like that it can really affect your decision making skills and so so much of what I think what we were seeing before she knew she had the tumors like her alleged affair with her horse tumors.

34:13Interesting. Which I thought was crazy. But you see that like on SVU, like when somebody has a tumor and then they start doing crazy things and they like plead insanity because the tumor was pushing on their frontal lobe. Okay. Yeah. That makes sense. But she didn't seem like she was doing crazy. I mean, she might've just had an affair because she was also doing a podcast, which is very successful. I think she was like very cogent. Like, I don't know. You know, I don't think she was like crazy, like, you know, chaos, but like when you do something out of character, like step out on your husband like maybe yeah she's not saying that though no no and they're like getting divorced yeah and she was talking about dating it's a very complicated situation like i you would imagine that this would sort of just like forget the divorce for now on hold but no it's ongoing yeah especially just like if anything happens like you're the kid's guardian like you just want to like keep it yeah cool and i can't begin to imagine but that's just a little sounded surprising me too I just assumed that they were like putting the divorce on pause for now they weren't like getting back together but they were just like meeting with lawyers in between hospital chemotherapy yeah I thought that was kind of strange yeah whatever works yeah so wishing her the best like I think the whole world is like rallying behind her and she's just like on everyone's mind and yeah it's just it's very so sad it really is our next story um I actually wish was an April Fool's prank because as Katy Perry and Lauren Sanchez prepared to go on their all female trip to space remember yeah they are on the cover of Elle and Katy says we're going to put the ass in astronaut yes Claudia she she makes it so hard to be a kitty cat like she's seriously indefensible when she does shit like this like Katy Perry and Lauren Sanchez are committed to wearing glam that's out of this world oh my god i'm vomiting this is actually setting women back this is awful for women listen they are getting ready to blast off into space on april 14th with uh gail king a former nasa a former nasa rocket scientist asia bow forma forma nasa a civil rights activist amanda when and film producer carrie ann flynn so it's an all-female crew going to space for the first time except previously one female uh russian astronaut went to space alone so that was an all-female very true in 1963 but it'll be the first time anyone has ever journeyed to space in full glam no this is seriously so embarrassing i identify as a man now like i want no part of this i'm humiliated to be of the same gender lauren sanchez and i love how gail king was nowhere near this like she's such a serious person all over this like she's is she in is she a part of the interview um yeah i thought you said just lauren and no they're they're these ass and astronaut quotes are like coming from lauren about like we're gonna be the first ones to have glam in space they want to bring glam to space katie said space is going to finally be glam she said let me tell you something if i could take glam up with me i would do that we are going to put the ass in astronaut okay she's given us no choice we have to leave her in space like she is not of this world and i mean that this is so weird even the other the um not the civil rights activist the astronaut said i also wanted to test out my hair and make sure that it was okay so i skydived in dubai with similar hair to make sure i would be good took it for a dry run like these women go into space and when we focus on their looks like their hair that's like this is something a man would write this is insulting this is so insulting men think of us meanwhile like we oh my god i'm humiliated says we're going to have lash extensions flying in the capsule oh no oh no this is really really bad like seriously jail for everyone sorry gail gail goes to jail like not this is jail by association yeah if seriously if i was invited on this hypothetical and i saw like my fellow passengers were doing this types of press like I would actually give my seat up.

38:16I want no part of this. Yeah. And then they said, joking aside, the civil rights activist said, of course she did. Of course she did. She said, I think it's so important for people to see us like that. This dichotomy of engineer and scientist and then beauty and fashion. We contain multitudes. Okay. She's trying to like put like an intellectual spin on these dumb remarks. She said, women are multitudes. I'm going to be wearing lipstick. okay had that been like the only statement about makeup that would have been funny yeah and like and yeah i'm going to space and i'm wearing lipstick very codename helene you know she's parachuting out of a of a world war one chopper and she's putting on red lipstick before that's fine uh we're bringing glam to space like i'm vomiting and i actually don't forgive katie perry and lauren sanchez for this and i won't i know and i do feel like whose do you think is like the driving force behind this stupidity like i think it's katie and like she's bringing down yeah and you know lauren like she maybe thinks differently but she really cares about like celebrity friendships like that's kind of a currency she now plays with her and jeff and you know who's coming to the wedding and so i think she just does what katie has the power in this friendship so she's just following katie's lead because up like katie is known for saying and doing dumb things like the embarrassing astronaut like this is so embarrassing for women like that this is the first female trip and this is what we're focusing on like it's actually a parody I need someone to do me a favor I need somebody to really quickly get together an all-female crew and just send them up Elon like some somebody just do it so that this group of morons civil rights activists excluded is not the first to do it because like these people don't represent take away their power yeah like seriously just get two women that's all we need I'll do it you know what i'll do it go to space to put the just for this just for this yes because you know i have no interest in going to space but if it's to silence this group of morons yes but would you put the ass in astronaut no you wouldn't no i would not idea that you would bring glam to space like you have to leave your helmet on like that's just like stupid it i can't believe that this like made it to print no and not i i blame everyone right like i also blame l magazine like you're supposed to be a beacon of journalism like curating the dumb shit they say agreed this is really really uncool and in international women's month you know nonetheless whatever the month i mean just during the month after international women's month how dare you to disgrace us like this right out of the gate it's it's it's disappointing it is it really really is and it's only going to get like worse from worse right imagine day of April 14th where will we be April 14th the day before tax day so we'll probably all be hunkered down at home doing our taxes not me and you no yeah we already pay them we pay early because we don't want to go to jail yeah it's like a cool thing we do yeah like fun fact so yeah like this is happening well thanks for ruining my day I appreciate that and it's not April Fool's and I'm sorry to tell you that devastating Are you ready for our next story?

41:44Four? It's number four. Yeah. It's like a little celeb outrage news, you know? Oh, what are they outraged to? No, no. The celeb-er is outraged? No, like someone's making news that's like outrageous. And I think, but I think it's her truth. So Rumor Willis reveals that she and her sisters take baths together and she still sleeps in bed with her mom, Demi Moore. So Rumor went on actually like Zoe Winkler's podcast, The Lifer, that's friends with Kim. and they talked about like family and she was also talking about like parenting her toddler because she's a co-sleeper and she's always been a co-sleeper.

42:17She actually said some really like nice insightful things about co-sleeping and she said, honestly, I hope Lou, her child, like still sleeps in bed with me when she's my age. I still sleep in bed with my mom and I don't think it's weird. She also said that her and her sisters all still take baths together and that's just the kind of house that I grew up in. People might think that that's crazy and weird but I don't, she said. Okay. So I think there's two things going on here. Her still sleeping in bed with her mom is not weird. Like, I'm sure it's not like an every night kind of thing. Right, but if you're like staying over at mom's house.

42:49It's not a big deal. Yeah. I don't think she like lives there. Now her and her siblings still taking baths together. And you're a big bather. Yeah, I'm a big bather. I'm also like a very, I'm not like a nudist, but I'm not like precious about nudity. You're a free woman. I'm not precious about nudity. And I actually can recall the last time I took a bath with a sister. when we were in Utah. I remember that. Me and Margo went in like the hot tub and we had like had a couple of drinks. That makes it tough. Maybe it sounds like a little lesbian. Sounds like White Lotus. White Lotus. Sorry. We like were drunk and we like needed to take a bath after the hot tub and we just like took a bath and it was like so like not weird.

43:26But I guess like in hindsight it was a little weird. It was what? Four years ago? Yeah. And you wouldn't then say me and my sister take baths together still as adults and it's not weird. And before that it was like when we were children. So I'm coming at this really from a non-judgmental place and as an open person and I think this is weird and I'm judging and I also think that even in practice like because the way that we took that bath together that time in YouTube was not weird whatsoever so maybe every single time the Willis girls do it it's not weird whatsoever but like sharing that knowing how it sounds it's like rage baby right right it's kind of reminds me when Mila and Ashton Kutcher said they don't give their kids baths with soap yeah which in hindsight like isn't that weird no it is not really no it is like we have soap why why not use it they said they don't use soap every day i think it's weird i actually i don't think of that is so weird but like they know how that how it comes off and that people are gonna right but when you really think about it like it's actually not that weird if you're not like filthy you don't need soap and you know people did just fine bathing and just water it's fine yeah people love to say like well they didn't have soap back in the day they did but they didn't right they like use plants and shit they also took it back once a year right and like things were just different yeah they also used to shoot each other in the street like we don't do that anymore like it's okay yeah it's not really the same but yeah like in the coliseum you know what i mean like things are different like stop i hate when people like use history to justify like their lack of showers do you know what i mean no but it's just to show like what the human needs and in a modern time and maybe i come at this as like a person with a with a really powerful nose these days like there's just genuinely no excuse for smelling badly unless you have a medical condition and even then like figure it out yeah no i think for adults it's different adults have like body odors and a bunch of shite going on but like babies and kids they're they're really not that like gross smelling but rumor willis is a grown woman sorry back to the story i'm talking about me like whoonness yeah yeah rumor willis is a grown woman um and to be clear it sounds like she grew up like similar to us like her and her sisters and her mom like yeah like and yeah when we all were living in an apartment all of us at the same time like we weren't precious about things like that you would pee with the door open like so i'm really not coming at this from like clutching my pearls where are the opportunities arising to bathe baths are you going over to your sister's house for bath time just to bathe because it's our favorite thing right together right there i feel like perhaps it's an issue yeah that's just me who am i to judge yeah our fifth and final story is actually is brought to you it's semi-related to our previous story and it's brought to you by Booking.com.

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49:31Anywhere from newborn co-sleeping, which is what Courtney was doing. And I guess people who do that, then they become the ones who are like sharing a bed with their two-year-old, three-year-old. So Rumor was talking about sharing a bed with her two-year-old, who she's been sleeping with since the baby was born. But, you know, when babies are newborns, you're told, like, put them on the back, in the crib. It's not safe sleep. It's not safe sleep. But a lot of mothers, like, feel like it's the natural thing to do. What's safer than my bosom? Yeah, sleep holding your baby. they compare ourselves like animals who would never be like separated from their children like they cuddle them up close but like the American Academy of Pediatrics don't approve they would say no no no it's a it's kind of frowned upon you know in those circles but amongst mamas like we're all whispering about it because one like if your baby won't sleep in the crib like and you're just so like tired and fed up you just grab it and you just get in bed and you both fall asleep like it's parjolish and they sleep they're so happy when they're co-sleeping and like what position are we co-sleeping in like on your chest there are safe or ways to do it um there's like a sea snuggle you know you're not supposed to use pillows you're not supposed to use blankets um but i do think there's a lot of like merit to the fact that like yeah this is what the body is designed then children and their mothers are designed to do the idea that baby should be in a crib in another room like alone after you know just coming to this world let me answer another question for them is it considered bad because you are asleep because like if a baby takes a nap and you're watching something on the couch like that's not bad right that's that's part of your list you know it's because you are asleep in there you know you could roll over right right right there's a bunch of things that could happen that are scary um so it is like frowned upon it but a lot of women do it and most people i could have guessed that courtney was she's was co-sleeping she's told us before but now she's like super open so she on this episode of Kardashians is when she's filming skinny confidential podcast him and her are they on the show yeah so I haven't caught up on this week's episode me neither but they have her because it came out five hours ago wait Lauren and Michael are on the episode I think so they have her like walking into the studio and I think they have like clips from the show and then they also have very cool confessionals like talking about the things that she's talking about yeah and um she's talking about her decision to co-sleep with the baby um and also having baby brain and she actually said because you know we always talk about how your brain turns to mush like when you're pregnant and when you're having a baby and she said um she actually likes having baby brain she said i love baby brain i mean i don't know exactly i'm not a scientist but supposedly so that you moms can focus on their baby you can't really think of other stuff and it's true because i really can't think of anything else so it might be like the body's way of having you focus on your baby it's You're just dumb.

52:13Yeah, I saw a TikTok that really made me reframe mom brain, where it was like, oh, ask the mom, hey, where'd you put that hat? And she's like, I don't know. And then she was like, oh, my mom brain is so bad. My girl, Shauna, you guys know I'm always talking about Shauna. She does the skits. So it was like, they were asking the mom in the skit, when was the last time baby ate how many ounces? She was recalling crazy information about the baby's food. But it's like, okay, you can't find the hat. Who gives a fuck? You're kind of elevated. Yeah, it's not that you were. you're dumb it's that it's like it's very much focused on a different area as it should be so yeah Courtney's obviously like a natural girly um yeah it is closely being considered like more like of the granola elk of mothers yeah yeah okay because I would have guessed Courtney as a co-sleeper you would yeah I like don't really want it like that I don't really want to co-sleep mostly because like selfishly it sounds like you yourself get really bad sleep yeah but again like whatever the baby will do the baby will do but like if the baby could just like chill in the crib in the bassinet like that would mean a lot to me but like would you rather have like them have a two hour run in the crib or like five hours with you both sleeping that's a good question i don't know so sometimes it comes down like some people are like i want to co-sleep it's like the natural thing to do and that's no right some people it's out of necessity i feel like i can understand how you get there of course if the baby won't sleep anywhere else the baby's got to sleep but then you start doing it and you're like this really feels right but i think about the thing about co-sleeping like of course there's people like courtney who don't give a fuck and they're gonna be like this is like the most natural and right but i think a lot of people like do it private don't share and you go to your pediatrician they're like is baby sleeping through the night yeah you're like yeah yeah you know the crib like hasn't even been unpacked correct correct like for those people it's always really nice when people do share because you feel like you're doing something validated and everyone's telling you you're doing something wrong but to you it feels right yeah yeah yeah but of course practice safe sleep of course and don't do what someone's doing just because they're a celebrity do what works for you and your family yeah but trust your gut yeah intuition um cool well we have a tv recap summer house two weeks in a row now i feel like for at least for us like last week's episode was highly anticipated because it was like finally the conversation between craig and kyle let me tell you i was bored and i didn't care i am so like obsessed with what's going on between Jesse, Lexi, and Sierra.

54:33And I'm really surprised to see that not a lot of people are sharing my thoughts on it, right? Because I think a lot of people, especially in the house, are championing Jesse and Sierra. And for so many reasons, it's such a bad idea. One, Sierra has to stop dating these guys from the house. They just hurt her. She's so hurt still from Wes. He's literally Wes 2.0. Look what he's doing. and so the fact that like you're a willing participant in what if west had done this to you last season with a different girl like he would have like the fact that she's a willing participant is actually really disappointing me i feel like she's such a girl's girl and like while he was more of the aggressor and like the pursuing her she didn't tell him to stop and like she didn't not participate and so even all the other girls being like they have such great chemistry like really shipping them like why are we doing this that's bad friends because nobody should want her to be in this situation yeah by the way the fourth time because it's west it was Austin and Luke oh Luke yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah so it's just a bad idea I actually feel like Sierra I don't see Sierra like being like heart eyes around Jesse or whatever but even having these sorts of conversations is inappropriate but I also feel like and I know Jesse is being a scoundrel and the thing with Jesse is like he's not a bad guy he's just a bad boyfriend and he's not ready to be anyone's boyfriend and he's just too damn horny and until he can get that in check Like you shouldn't be a one woman man.

55:58But I felt like even in that conversation with CR, which was really bad, like what if it had been me here last summer? Like, I feel like there is a world in which they could have that conversation and it was devoid of like feelings from right now where it was just like, we're just hypothesizing because - Yes, but the context of the whole weekend, your leg is turning me on, the foursome, like him doing all of those things, maybe if it has just been one conversation, yes. Yeah, where it's like they fell into a brother sister friendship because he wasn't there that weekend and and that's where they are now and that's like that's their relationship but like oh what if that and it's disrespectful to have that conversation when he's with Lexi but I could see a world where there was really just like a hypothetical conversation and not like well let's get together now because I do think Jesse as much as he's problematic he's not really a liar and so when he's like shocked that people think he's flirting with Sierra like I think that that is real but he came out of the room with emerald and was like i got my toe sucked like he's not i've not seen him like really like he kind of cops to everything and the way he's like like in his own time like him coming off of this terrible weekend and then the first thing he does is take lexi out and ask her to be exclusive like that's guilty behavior yeah and then like having sex with her just me i feel so and then telling everyone i oh my god for her um i really wanted her to dump him right then and there at softball yeah they obviously aren't gonna last very long and she deserves she's been making tiktoks yeah and they're they're like nowhere to be seen together anywhere and once she sees these even if they were together up until yesterday when she sees the episodes like it's over that's not a trustworthy person and it's not her like he really couldn't be that way for anyone because literally she's a perfect girl she's so beautiful she's so happy she's so vibrant like she's so excited to see you and she just needs to make like a small shift in like her choice of men because there are plenty of men like honestly Craig comes to mind yes someone who would love someone like that exactly like that who just wants to be like up in a relationship I was really for like he was pissing me off so much it was so the definition of like love bombing the second she's gone like you're back to being it was so disappointing and then just to see like everyone in the house like gassing him up yeah and like that really annoyed me because I like to think of it in the context of like let's say last summer sierra was gone and west then had a party and was playing with girls in the house and girls at the party like they all would have defended sierra now i know they barely know lexi but they're all like self-proclaimed girls girls like when amanda was like they really like oh my god it was pissing me off so underhanded and i think they're they are getting credit for like even telling lexi about but it was lindsey it was lindsey yeah and i just yeah every time she comes up and bailey jesse's like we're exclusive now and they're like that's what you want no like be like oh my god it's so exciting and he's like you know and he's expressing like reservations about like being a one woman man and instead of like and by the way that's the type of behavior they're always like wanting from these guys when it comes to like sierra right yeah so now a girl in their house finally got like one of the guys to settle down and they're not championing it at all of course his behaviors is on him but they're just like not doing anything to help like not shepherding him in the right direction and if he's gonna fuck up he's gonna fuck up and whatever but like I just really don't feel like they're having her back or like really want this relationship to work out and it's like why not no and they want it to work out for Sierra and Jessie which is honestly like bad advice to Sierra it is it really should not be with him she needs to stop dating men in the house yeah and she's too good for them yeah and so is Lexi but like at least this wouldn't be like the fourth try no Lexi's new you have to like on your first season like remember Paige and Carl Radke like you kind of just like have to it's like a rite of passage and i actually think she liked him who lexi lexi like i think she liked jesse adorable together and i think that they would actually really be something because i think they're really compatible except for like jesse's issues with monogamy and horniness like what is yeah and it is it's really crazy like they weren't exclusive and they weren't having sex but like they were like for every weekend up until this point they've been sleeping in her bed together so for the next weekend you to be like so shamelessly flirting with multiple girls and then the toe sucking thing like it's so wrong of him it's such like i know you i agree he's not a bad person but it's such bad mean behavior like i'm sorry at some point like your recklessness and hurting people while that maybe not is your intention like you're hurting people you're you're bad no and it's so immature he's like a 16 year old that has his first boner and like doesn't know where to stick it like get yourself under control agreed um i They happen to have loved the kickball.

1:00:35It reminded me of when the Jersey Housewives. Maimonides. Like, I don't know what it is about reality stars playing competitive, like intramere. It's brilliant. Like, I was laughing so hard when Paige caught the last ball. Like, and then, like, Wes catching that ball and, like, literally breaking his neck. Like, I thought that was so funny. I need more of that. No, and they, like, seriously whooped that team's ass. Oh, and who were those people? You know when you do, like, Zog sports? it's like a no I know but this is televised so like I think they just like knew that it would be televised but how shameful for them like they didn't get one they got their asses whooped oh my god Emeril cut everything that they kicked and Emeril is literally the most you the LVP of this show least valuable player like he doesn't forge any friendships with the cast but he's the MVP of kickball he's using the house as a brothel it's actually disgusting and I think in a few weeks Sierra says something to him about it because it's like gross you're just bringing why are you here like these people like you're literally like a border just taking a room and is it even though that is how like summer share houses are that's like what the show is about now i know it's like a family they have dinner whatever but like usually people use it as they pay for a room they go out they bring girls back like that's what a summer share house in the hamptons is but yes i agree with you get a summer share house in the hamptons don't be on my television show and not that i even want to see these girls because well is it because like he's getting home so late and there's no time for them to sign a release but like why is the the identity of every single one of the girls we don't even see a foot that's a good probably they can sign releases but even so you could blur out their faces like when i think of like jersey shore how's like so much of the show was like them bringing back girls some of the girls faces were blurred but a lot of them obviously signed releases and like we're part of the drama um we i literally don't even see what these girls are wearing like i don't know that's a really good point because i feel like it's because they bring them back in the middle of the night and the middle of the night footage is all um the house cameras it's not like cameramen they go to sleep right but they could still blur their faces yeah so i don't know it's weird it's a good question now i want to talk about carl lindsey and lil lil thank you i can never remember her name um jackie was texting me like her thoughts on summer house she's like lil is so i'm like who is lil like i didn't realize that was her name um i'm sure i i think a lot of the sentiment is like well Lindsay like we're meeting a dead horse you're pregnant why do you care like whatever I am so with Lindsay on this like I will go I don't care how many babies I have I will clear my name yes no not only that like letting him he's been running around like Paige I haven't had sex with anyone in a year like I'm so hard therapy la la meanwhile like were you actually you know this girl while you're engaged so it's not all you know cut and dry you're like this victim mentality is a little unwarranted especially because you broke up with her don't forget that he broke up with her right don't forget that but i just wonder like why he didn't get with lil in the last six months like so they even connected over the summer yeah of course he breaks up with lindsey and i'll give him the benefit of the doubt that he's like he needed a couple of months but like why are they just reconnecting when cameras are now yeah i don't know um and this soft bar party i first of all it was such a nice party like with the big coach bus from the city and he said he already invested a hundred thousand dollars of his own money like i have such a pit it's giving schwartz and sandy is like no and everyone in their professionals was like i will support carl i'm happy for carl this is good for carl and then they're obviously asked like do you think this is a good idea and like in a polite way they all say no and it's like it's easy to be someone who's just a friend who has this doesn't affect them at all and support someone's bad idea because who gives a fuck let them do whatever they want and get themselves in debt and you get to come off of as a hero like as being supportive right whereas like if you actually care about this person like if you are that person's partner what are you supposed to do if you're getting married to this person who has an awful idea who's putting tons of money into it you're really not allowed to say this is a bad idea even though everybody thinks it but it's like i'm going to support your bad idea but like that's what really is that i'm asking like objectively what's the right thing as a partner to do because i think it's as a partner who's going to share finances with you what lindsey did was 100 right but then but as but i understand the friends being like this is so not my problem so yeah sure of course but i don't understand the friends for is for like not supporting lindsey and saying this is a like you know not just at least agreeing with her that like yeah that someone should tell him that this is a bad idea and now we have the gift of hindsight because we know that this is one whole ass year ago and the bar still has not launched the bar is now raising money from the fans, which is kind of like a really terrible sign.

1:05:14And it looks even stupider. Yeah. And when they were doing that clip of everybody talking about how happy they are for Carl, that he's like found this thing that he's passionate about. I was like, damn, this make Lindsay look really, really bad. But then you're right. They were then obviously asked like a more leading question being like, do you think that this is a wise investment? And everybody in their own way said no. And I'm like, oh, okay. So we all agree that this is stupid. So you're actually like, You're being a safe friend, but you're not being a good friend. You're not being a great friend.

1:05:44Because, yeah, maybe he's having fun and feels purpose right now, but in a few years when he's hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt and doesn't have a next career move because he put all, you didn't protect him from that moment. No, and him having a Zoom call that appeared to have eight people on it about ice, I felt really sad. That calling, he's sad as well. I think this is such a stupid idea. and the thing is is like people in the sober community also think it's a stupid idea I think yes I think a huge part of like reaching you know peak sobriety is being able to you know go out to dinner with somebody who's having a drink like you need to be around it to assume that like your trigger is not going to come up in the world you can't really be healed until you're at a place where you can confront it um so I think spaces like this while they are really nice um it's not a good way to consistently live, right?

1:06:37Like only going to soft bars. Yeah, that's true. And also like there should just be like elixirs like this at regular bars, right? There are. They're mocktails. But like this one has like functional mushrooms and stuff. So like it's a mushroom bar. Okay. Is that sober? Yeah. Like everything has functional mushrooms. Okay. Okay. It's just, it's like a train wreck. I don't know how this whole thing is going to end, but watching it. It was also funny to see Jesse Solomon stop being a goofball for a second and actually flex his financial prowess when he was asked that question. Because he works in finance and he was like, bars are actually like a really hard.

1:07:15And that's when you sell alcohol as your biggest moneymaker. Also, he made me laugh. J.P. Morgan. He made me laugh when he was sitting with Paige and someone else and they were asking if he had sex with Lexi. And he obviously didn't want to say it. and there was like some random guy sitting next to him. And I was laughing so hard, but I also was like, why was that guy sitting there? Like, don't they set the scene? It's like a private party. It's not like, why was that guy there? That was really funny. He's funny. I don't dislike him. I just like, I want him. I am starting to really dislike him.

1:07:44I want him to just like be a better, more mature person. Like, I don't know what, why he's like this. If this is something, he'll always be this way if he has to grow out of it. But I do think he's like 30. I just like want him to like grow up. It was shocking to see Bailey. I know. I forgot about her. She was kind of, I think I literally don't even remember anything about her. I understand why they showed her. Cause she was a little bit necessary. She was like moving good information. Right. She was, she was a necessary messenger, but I do think that might be the last we see of her. Like she's really only shown on an as needed basis.

1:08:18I think that's fine. Not everyone has to be like a main player. No. So the, there's also like theories that she was kicked off the show mid production. Yeah. But like the way she's functioning now works for, me yeah fine and then other main storyline craig and page are really coming up oh right oh yeah so when they were when they announced in december that they broke up it was like the most shocking thing if i had seen one clip of this show i would not be surprised at all like this is clearly a relationship where the wheels are coming off and andy keeps saying this every time i watch happens live and he's really right for repeating it like it's shocking that um craig doesn't see because he's so in love with Paige that she like she is one foot out the door like they are so not compatible at this moment there was a time where they were compatible people change and that's fine um and he is not seeing or feeling any of that like even that conversation by the door wait about the phone when she was like sit back yeah that was funny and he was just like so earnest and like wait why am I sitting back like no and the thing is if they were stressing her out if this was in a good if they were in a good place like that would have been funny but now it's like not funny and then that conversation downstairs by the door in front of jesse solomon about like being a priority i was like oh this is like a relationship like you see you know when you see people fighting in front of you and you're like oh yikes like this i never thought that they were that type but now that clearly the last few months of their relationship were not good yeah but they have never acted this way on camera like that's why i know because we hadn't seen any moments like this like the thing about their relationship is that there was always such a good friendship they liked each other so much yeah we're always genuinely laughing and smiling and like that's why when the news came out it was shocking because it's like how do you walk away from like just a love like like that you love someone like that and now they're very well she's very much like falling out of love with him and into hate and so yes and she's so visibly annoyed with everything he does and then there are also like big fundamental issues in their relationship and I was putting together what she was saying because when her and Sierra were whispering and Sierra was covering her secret hater secret hater but she was saying like he said off camera that I can't say that my stuff is bigger than his and Sarah was like oh my god and I'm like what do you mean bigger like my podcast whatever but then it looks like in future episodes she said I'm the breadwinner why would I move so what he said she couldn't said was that I make more money more money than you even though I could have guessed that like at this at this point in their careers just like knowing what I know about like the media landscape um they probably make a lot of money he probably makes a little bit more from reality tv because he's been on longer.

1:10:49But in terms of like her brand deals, her podcast, her Amazon fashion, her influencer stuff, I know what you get paid for that. And she's crushing it. But it was like starting to sound like Craig is broke. Literally. Even though he's like the most successful one on his show. On his show. But she has really like out, she's kind of having a moment that nobody has had before. And it's like he has like a company that does really well, but it doesn't, like sometimes it takes a while before you see that money. Yes, yes. He's got, you know, irons in the flame. whereas like she does a brand deal she has 100k cash like they pay cycle yeah she literally has like she's liquid yeah he's more uh you know investments yes so um but yes he's not poor by any means but she's just crushing it yeah and that does change your relationship dynamic yeah when it was always like well of course page will move to charleston craig's businesses are the show is southern charm and he has retail stores there his partners are there right even her show summer house like you can live in charleston and vacation in the hamptons exactly and her job is like more um intro like like podcasting and uh influencing and whatnot um but yeah when she's the one who's making more money like why would you then shake it up and like you do call the shots and now he's in a relationship where he's not calling the shots and like that's not the relationship that he entered into that's a major dynamic shift they have individually changed a lot and it has sometimes that benefits your relationship but sometimes it destroys it and I think we're seeing the destruction yeah it's like really getting awkward I don't think does he come back again this summer I feel like no he I don't think so but what was interesting is that Lexi never met Craig you think that they're a good match I do think they're a good match like I I actually think Paige would champion that.

1:12:38Like, well, maybe not now because it's like gotten contentious. Yeah, and it's like a little soon. But like, remember when he said he couldn't date Rachel Kirkenell because he met her with Matt and like you just like they met as friends and like I know her and I don't know her. Oh, but because he never met Lexi. Because he never met Lexi. Coast is clear. Even though he seems to be in a happy relationship. So. And I was happy about that until I had this revelation because I think they would really be so perfect. Like all she wants is like love and affection and commitment. And that's like what like like what he has.

1:13:06what he has in spades and she wants to settle down and he's like a romantic and she's a just just an idea and they haven't i don't think they've even met i think they'll meet maybe at bravo con sorry i'm just thinking out loud he has a girlfriend they just got together as far as we know it couldn't have been that like they just yeah they've known each other for a while i'm just saying like a true life if you know natalie buffett can withstand his meeting of lexi like and they can stay together great but i'm just saying can't i just have an option yeah of course ideate yeah i want love for lexi i'm really heartbroken for her i was gonna cry i know i know and she probably was like so embarrassed to find out like information on camera like you have to like it's like a temper your reaction no and it's like it kind of honestly say I'm glad it was the toe sucking because something like that can give you the ick and you know what that's the easiest way to get over someone like they did something gross but it's like imagining you've met your dream guy he's in love with you he's obsessed with you've been together three weeks like it's a whirlwind romance and in one afternoon at kickball like people are telling you things that in that moment it's like I have no idea who this person is this person is a liar yeah I want to shout out to Lindsay for being like an actual real one yeah she has no like real stake in this she's not super close with any of the girls besides Gabby so like she has information and she's a reality star and she's given it i'm sorry i love her like her scenes are so funny when she said that she couldn't make it to the soft bar launch party because she's having her nursery painted and then she has to watch the paint dry funny she's so funny so funny did you see andy was talking about her being on roni yes like the rumor the possibilities are becoming more real not that it's happening yet but like they know that that's what we want we she is a great reality star i don't know if how much longer really her life can fit into summer house and we're getting so little of her like it doesn't behoove her it doesn't behoove us and she it's okay to like grow out of things and you know someone on this show needs to like grow up it's not going to be the 43 year old kyle so maybe it'll be lindsey and i think that's just what roni needs and i think it's just what she needs i think it's a great idea yeah i think it's definitely worth trying right like it's better than some unknown it's like art do they make a tv right we know she has a proven track record yeah and andy did not dispute he said i've seen a lot of people saying that like page and lindsey should be on roni and he said that he didn't think page would be on it but he did not say that about lindsey yeah and i don't think page should be on it i don't think page should be on it and he said about lindsey like they i think it it might require a lot of paperwork because she's probably with one product it's all like even though it's all bravo like it's all different um it's probably not that easy don't just like jump but agreed i think it's worth pursuing and they're looking into it so that's good that is good um that's our show you guys our final show of the week i hope everybody has been able thus far to get merch if they haven't head to shop toastmerch.com we have a bunch of items still available and if any of your favorite items are not available they are available for pre-order so they'll just ship in five to six weeks um thank you so much for listening to the toast the millennia morning show where we deliver the fast five stories you need to know every Monday through Friday on YouTube so if you're watching us on YouTube please feel free to subscribe and give us a video a thumbs up we're also available as a podcast and our podcast can be found on Spotify iTunes Stitcher public radio i or radio cast box all the places you have to listen to podcasts find us at toast the five star review about how beautiful about us something and about how wickedly talented we are love ya Bye.