Amanda Batula and The Generational Fumble: Tuesday, March 31st, 2026

0:03Jackie Oshry:Good morning, girlies. It's the toast. It's Jackson Claude and we're your hosts. It's your favorite show. The fast five things you need to know. We'll start your day off swirly. It's the toast. I sound amazing. welcome back to the toast happy tuesday or should i say welcome back to the frames that's right the motherfucking frames are back i'm back in new york city it's transatlantic thirst once again i can't believe it i feel like everyone is going to be shocked take a minute process it have a seat i'm getting divorced we're not together in florida anymore it just happened just like that claudia's back in new york i'm here it's so crazy to be pen pals again i know okay let me tell you I'm in hell.

0:53Okay, good.

0:55Jackie Oshry:So I come back to the studio. The studio that I once loved, and I forgot about like, I forgot about this studio. Do you know what I mean? I forgot that we don't have air. I have to call the handyman. I forgot. I left this place seriously to die. I just know for a fact that a mouse has been here. I can just feel his presence. So yeah, I have got to get the contractor, the exterminator. I kind of just let this place rot in the middle of winter, and I just know a certain mouse had an amazing winter on my Mickey Couture blankets. There was no air conditioning. I just know he sought refuge here. I hope he had a good time, but you better sit down for this.

1:30Jackie Oshry:You're getting evicted, bitch. Time's up. So I forgot about that, but other than that, I'm so happy to be home. I forgot that I low-key moved into a pargy apartment. I'm back in the New York room. House of a city that never sleeps. I came back at such a great time. I really slayed what I did just accidentally. skipping one of the worst winters of all time. Blizzard after blizzard after blizzard. And I was just like in the palm trees with my sisters with my sisters. So it's 70 degrees. It couldn't be more gorgina vagina. I slayed. Things I did that. Well, we miss you. We do. I'm not going to lie.

2:08I'm not unhappy to be back in my home studio. I know. I miss my commute. I do. If I have less of a je ne sais quoi, I would say it's because I'm not listening to David get up on my way into work but I guess I could supplement I could supplement listen while I do my makeup or something um but like I love these studios I love this chair after the chairs we've been on yeah it's a joy to be here and Bruno's here I feel also like I'm podcasting for the

2:42Jackie Oshry:first time again I don't know why I just it's so different I know we're technically doing the same exact thing that we do together but between all like the different digital elements the connectivity issue like I feel weird I feel it's gonna take me a couple of minutes it's gonna take a minute I can see people being like does anybody else feel like weird vibes from Claudia and Jackie like are they fighting no no we're just adjusting I didn't feel that way but you know we have to get back into our dance our remote dance we can't like talk over each other as much we can't sing as much we should have done a practice episode like yesterday that's so not us if we ever are doing a practice episode like just know I guess I did an episode yesterday for my home studio but it was redheads let's talk about the redheads the redheads are on the brink you guys per usual are you guys sick of hearing about this are you guys like the redheads are on the brink the brink of what extinction yeah yeah I've had multiple conversations with various girls and we're all struggling okay the thing is is that I know I've never been a redhead so I don't know the burden of like having to read the book and then like I don't I don't know so maybe I'm coming from a space of ignorance wouldn't be the first time but I feel like you can't give up on the redheads I will join the redheads like maybe that's what we need a breath of fresh air maybe we got to kick someone out maybe I don't know if anybody would leave like without the whole group like I think we're on this ship together which is nice can I start the redheads with like three people I know oh do you want to do like redheads next generation that's a great redheads 2.0 we're passing the baton i just know my friend abe would be so lit the fuck up to do it i would like love for you to do it just so you could see like how hard it is because it's not even the recording it's the reading it's the reading and and like finding a time that works for all four and like you can't just like back out because we'll not be able to find a time again anytime soon um and i imagine of people are like sick of me talking about how much I love change the redheads no you can't hate the redheads I don't I actually love the redheads the reason why we've been doing it for so long we've read over 70 books like that's insane even if we yeah bowed out now like I would consider a success and I'm just gonna try and like get through this difficult period because I have so much on my plate right now that like it won't always be this way and I'll be glad for the red heads one day so if I don't keep with it now like I won't have that day to look forward to it I also need you to know like the redheads will never die because like I'm sort of waiting in the wings like when the redheads were started um I didn't read so obviously you didn't even think of me for a potential head then I just fell in love with reading I I follow you know book news like it's kind of weird that I'm not in the redheads yeah so the redheads will never die because if they do give up on it, like I'm picking it back up.

5:32Okay, you can have the IP. It's an amazing name. We've got great branding. Like we've really slayed. But if you do want to join the Redheads, like why don't you talk to Margo? I think she's the weakest link.

5:43Jackie Oshry:Oh, you think if I could get someone's seat, it would be hers? I do. Even though yesterday she had to host the episode because it was her book and it was just so fun. Like the episode was amazing. That's the other thing. Like it's hysterical. It's too good. Sorry, you have to keep going. I know. I say this like every month And I'm sure you're sick of me because you're just like, then end it. And the thing is, like, we have listeners. Like, it would be a... You can't end it. You can't, sorry. Some people, when they, like, end their podcast, it's like, that's fine. Nobody was listening. We didn't know that you ended it because we didn't know that you started it.

6:13Like, the Redheads has a very devoted community. I can't let them down. I can't. So we march ahead. Continue on. So that's what I was doing yesterday. And then also last night, I did something crazy and caught up on Summer House.

6:28Jackie Oshry:We have a lot to discuss today. Oh my God. Yesterday was a hard day for me because I just felt really sick and I just had so much to do and the redheads and everything. And then at the end of the day, I was like, let me go read the copy.

6:41Jackie Oshry:Mistake. I just want to say, same with me because I got right on a plane after and it was a truly treacherous travel day. It was not easy. And when I got into bed, I'm like, I wonder if people liked the episode. Because it was short and we were sick and I was just, oh. I was getting on a plane. It wasn't our best. Like we can't give every episode like 1000%. Sorry. Like we just didn't do our best yesterday. I just needed to show up and we had funny moments, but like, sure. Tiger Woods wasn't drunk. He's a pill popper, not an alcoholic. My bad. And, um, yeah, I read the episodes like that ugly, stupid, brainless, kill yourself, kill yourself, kill yourself.

7:16Jackie Oshry:So it was like, nevermind. Let me just go to bed. Yeah. Um, so I just want to say to everyone who hated yesterday's episode, like I am sorry I don't feel like it was the most amazing episode so I'm not even gonna like come free for that but I just want to say like everyone was like why are you talking about Sierra and West nothing has happened and we'll talk about it in the stories because I made it a story today because I watched Summer House last night like we report the news and in terms of like there wasn't a news nothing has more so resurfaced since the last time we spoke about it people still don't know it's 100 % true and the vibes are leaning towards it being true the last time we spoke about it we said we did not believe it so nothing has come out that's been confirmation of the rumors so there was like nothing to say I didn't I didn't realize everyone was like waiting for us to speak on it but I will now speak on it because I've been watching summer house and I have a lot of thoughts and then I took it upon myself um in the last 24 hours to reach out to some people who I thought might know some stuff and I got some good information that I'll share when we discuss I can't friggin wait and so I think we should get into everything oh you do I don't know I guess like know people love oh we also have dear toasters today although it does feel like dear toasters for the third week in a row should be pushed to wednesday we just have like a lot to do today in terms of the big summer house news you and i just being back together like i'm sure the frames want to speak and i wouldn't like to you know impede on there needs his moment he's been sidelined we haven't podcasted in here like i guess we did an episode in like november and december but like really since october that's when i went on my maternity leave yes i did one episode from your house with shannon ford but we haven't been in this oh yes since before your maternity leave I did it with you like in my maternity leave twice.

8:56The last episode.

8:57Jackie Oshry:Yeah. And also once before I gave birth because like I went over my due date. You were bored. Fun fact. I went over my due date with my third child. That's crazy. That's crazy. When I see like girls walking around who are like 40, 41 weeks, I actually like I stop in my tracks and I pray for them. Yeah. No, that was me. It's insane. That was me on Halloween. Imagine trick or treating with two toddlers. Insane. Three days before your due date. Insane. insane stuff well what else is new how's ruble how's new york foo how's lish you know i don't like to complain i actually really don't i do complain like as a joke a lot but like in terms of um motherhood stuff like i just i don't find it conducive i think it affects your like outlook on life and i just like don't want to be one of those bitches being like this 15 minutes i got for myself was like really important and i also love my baby like two things can be true like we don't give a fuck like we really don't so i don't want to talk about how like the flight was difficult it was just i had flown with ruby a bunch of times before he was six months and traveling with a six month old i'm sorry is nothing especially when their breasts had they slept the whole time like and everyone was like how was he i'm like he's such a good baby i flew with a baby yesterday like a real baby who didn't want a nap who did i bought him a seat waste of money didn't sit in it for one second the boy's mouth didn't stop moving eating and crying and eating and crying like seriously as we're landing he falls asleep on bed like of course just just hard you know um so of course i would never want to complain but it wasn't a breeze is all you're saying it wasn't a breeze that's fair that that happens yeah yeah i don't want to go even more negative than that because like i would never speak negatively about the love of my life i completely agree um and i just want to say in the um effort which i believe was like a valiant effort to make mothers feel less alone and you know talk about the hard stuff i do feel like there are a lot of content creators who do that but i think it very quickly just became like being negative all the time and complaining and like making jokes about how like you want to be away from your baby and like i hate that shit like when i see it i actually block that type of that energy it can penetrate your mind and you're like your state of mind and i think that your state of mind is very fragile and you need to like be really particular about what you consume i hate that shit i hate that shit yeah you got to keep it positive manifest no i know and i know it's like we're supposed to be being real and being real is that some parts are hard yeah for sure and i commend you and like i don't want to turn on anyone for being real but like seriously shut up yeah i think you should be real positive yeah yeah real like literally i saw this girl make a TikTok being like, here are all the content creators I follow who are like not naggy bitch mothers.

11:47Jackie Oshry:And I literally followed every single one of them. Like it really is so important. It, your brain, even if you're just disagreeing with it and scrolling, that shit penetrates, get out. I don't want that shit near me. Yeah, I agree. Having my morning coffee before my baby woke up was the best part of my day. That's not good. I hate that. Oh my God. And then they also act like it's revolutionary like i know we're not supposed to say that really people say it all the time no and they're so brave yeah like i can't i can't brave for complaining yeah the other day i was trying to think of a word and it did come to me days later so i just want to say because i think it was a great word remember remember when i was trying to say that we're like exonerating no no no and that's the word you were looking for no no but you found exonerate when i was trying to say like we're turning the lights down on something like oh yeah like submerging we're sunsetting it yes that's a good word sunset the redheads no i'm kidding but that but but it came to me later that was the word i was looking for and so if i just need to for my own brain fog and brain camp like i need to hold myself accountable in finding the words that i've lost throughout postpartum and i want the redheads listening to this to know like you that i so happily lost by the way you will always have a champion in me you got have you ever and you might be looking at your next episode episode have you ever even that's not true i guess i have whenever i like posthumously read a book oh my gosh i didn't even tell you a little spoiler alert our next book for the redheads and actually this could be your time is it girl by allison pataki it's my choice that's what it shows oh by the way such a good book i will happily join even though it's been like a while since I've read it.

13:32Jackie Oshry:It will be like two months. But my next book that I just purchased was inspired by the redheads next to heaven. And I will be listening to episode. Oh, I love it. Oh, I loved that book. Yes. I don't keep up every month, but I go back and read books and then I'm like, what did the redheads have to say about this? Okay, that's great. No, this is like my love. Jacuse. Jacuse. Jacuse. Jacuse. Jacusatory. Well, let's get into the stories. I really want to talk about the summer house drama now that you guys have bullied me into talking about it more more now today's episode is brought to you by Yasso um and before we get into the episode obviously we have a lot to do I think we should call for a quick snack break we've definitely earned it with the with the 13 minutes of episode that we've recorded I'm exhausted and starving let's take a moment to reset and pause and let's talk about our current obsessions snack wise now we are a Yasso house through and through like literally Ben goes through a box in a setting They are the best ice cream treats.

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18:36Kyle just got out of a marriage with, Amanda just got out of a marriage with Kyle, who's Wes's friend. So really all in all, like if these two are dating, it's as big as Scandaville.

18:46Jackie Oshry:It is. It is. And the reason why I didn't believe it at first was because when it first came up like a couple of weeks ago on Dumois, I feel like it was very quickly shut down by them. And then it came back again. And I don't know what caused the resurgence. but I did see Amanda responding to a comment about it being like exactly like somebody was making a point but beyond that everything is pointing to it actually being true he was asked about it on Watch What Happens Live and it was like an exercise and had had to like watch someone lie like it was so yeah he really dodged the question he said like she's my good friend he did ultimately say that it's not true so that would have been a lie if it is true but let me tell you how I feel about this like from last week I said like I really don't believe this It's too outrageous.

19:32Her friendship with Sierra is so important to her. She would never just like throw that away for a guy. That's so the antithesis of like the girls in this house, like their best friends, they wouldn't, she wouldn't do that. Now people more and more are saying that it's true and like no one is confirming or denying it. And it's become like the biggest rumor ever. And it more so makes me think that it's not true. And I feel like the reason that people aren't debunking it is because this is amazing for the show. I said a couple of weeks ago, I wasn't really keeping up that much with the show. It wasn't interesting to me.

20:03Now I'm watching again with fresh eyes. There definitely is a thread between Amanda and Wes. Now it could either be a very close friendship or it's like they've always had a little torch held for one another.

20:14Jackie Oshry:So I have thought that Amanda, while she was married, was always acting really inappropriate with a lot of the guys in the house. Not just Wes, especially Jesse too. Like the leaving the comments. It was always so, so flirty. My best friend, my brother, my brother, my brother. So there is, now people are going back and being like, well, look at them here and look at them. They're all really weird and touchy. And especially I've always thought it was extra weird for Amanda because she was the only one who was married. No, and she's like touchy with everyone except her husband. Her husband. Yeah, she's like sitting on the couch like so close to Wes or standing at the table so close to Wes.

20:44Or Jesse or even Ben, the new guy. And none of that energy for her husband. But obviously they like hate each other.

20:50Jackie Oshry:Yeah, so I think going back, I've always thought that it was inappropriate and weird. But like they've just really maintained that she would never date a castmate. I talked up to immaturity, like the way that they're all like so close guy friends, girlfriends, brothers, sisters, like I'm like, oh, that's how you act when you're much younger. And so I thought it was just like and, you know, you're in a share house, you're on TV. I think it's just like it forces people to be really close and they're just like all on top of each other, laying in bed together, brother, sister. A thousand percent. So I really up until recently was I think also part of my disbelief in it is like it's hard to imagine someone can be so dumb.

21:26Jackie Oshry:um not only amanda like turning on your friend and she and sierra like they the girls of summerhouse really pride themselves like i think every episode it's girls girl girls girl girl and it's like for her it's so incongruous with what i thought i knew about her and from just like a business perspective there is this sort of trope of the scorned women of bravo going on to exceed the network and become she ariana's hosting love island page to sorbo even though i don't consider her the same because she was like gonna get there no matter what it doesn't really have a lot to do with her breakup but the breakup really accelerated her in a lot for a lot of people who didn't know her like it is this sort of track that it puts you on and it was starting for amanda like if you in the last couple of weeks slash months the brand deals the commercials the events like it was starting she was gonna end up hosting you know the reunion of unwell uh praise yeah i agree but what you just said I do not believe a person could be so stupid I actually don't think that that's possible she could have dated any man on this planet earth and been championed for that except for one person and one person the and the idea that she's so like digmatized by Wes that she would throw away her friendships her career her reputation I genuinely do not believe it and I think that this rumor came out everyone thought it was like really crazy but I think they saw how much people were caught up in it and they were all like let's sort of like let this fester it's so good for the show and I think in a couple days they'll either say they'll debunk it or they'll continue posting as normal and the people not me people will look so stupid Austin Kroll posted like everyone's getting involved and I agree with you 100 except I did a little recourse of my own what I know is that the person I spoke to said that this is true that there's actually a video that um is either coming out or they're really trying to stop it from getting out and um we should be expecting to hear from like a joint statement Amanda and Wes that's just what I heard text me who told you that so I can like take the see how credible it is I also heard from someone who heard from someone legit that's true that it is true but i'm telling you i really don't think so i saw a tweet that was like such a slay it said amanda if true amanda just pulled a generational fumble of goodwill yeah that's a generational fumble that trope of scorned women of bravo is powerful you know they get their call her daddy episode they get like the the track she was on and we haven't even seen the worst of it right last week was just the kyle thing kyle responded to a tweet the tweet was like it's funny how we're all talking about like how siara feels how blank feels and nobody's talking about how kyle feels i just want to say i am talking about how kyle feels and he responded with like a little emoji with a crying tear um so they're all engaging in very vague ways which does support your theory of them just playing it up yeah but it's also hard to imagine amanda would be okay with her reputation even if it's not true with letting this or letting her name be dragged yeah so long I agree but like this is really good for the show and the next show and I think ultimately if you didn't do anything wrong then you're sort of like sitting back laughing with Ciara just being like everybody is watching our show and we're the biggest story in the country and we didn't even do anything and it's like based on nonsense people can just say what they want yeah I see who your source is a good source but I just want to say that's also the source of the friend of the friend that I heard so it's like all coming from one source true it's all coming from one source yeah a legit source um Dumois is really the one carrying the ball down the field on this I think she's taking her entire reputation on it she needs this to be true she needs it to not be Brandon Charnas like and if it is not true that's an L for her because she's really the one taking it up yeah so I'm Weston see after the rumor was first debunked like a week later demois had a picture of west and sierra out together yeah but i also feel like she announced or she soft launched like a guy right she a picture amanda who did amanda oh oh by the way so the other theory here is that all of this is getting mixed up because amanda's actually seeing west's friend yes who's not on the show who we don't know he's like just a civilian like he looks like west he's west 2.0 yes so she soft launched the friend so when people saw her like said that she was kissing west other people were like no it's the friend i don't think this whole thing is just one big confusion like no it's so easily cleared up that's the thing no but they don't want why would they clear it up right now when it's people are watching more episodes talking about them like well one thing we know about west is like he cares deeply what the fans think about him and i don't know if he would be okay with letting this go on and amanda has eight years of like solid work on reality tv people really like her it's a lot of goodwill to throw away yeah but like then it will come right back and then people be like how could we ever think that of you i know i yeah yeah i'm not lindsey hubbard posted like and austin was like and it's funny to think about austin and all this because austin kroll posted like oh i guess dating your friend's exes is back in style and i guess he's talking to Amanda like your friend's ex Sierra's ex but also he is involved with Sierra so maybe West is his friend do you know what I mean like or maybe he's just talking about something completely different also like Lindsay Hubbard is sort of his ex like right it's all very confusing I feel like everyone's playing into it to a degree that they can get away with they're not like no one said this is true yeah everyone's just sort of like toying with the idea i think like hannah burner had had some reposts that were curious about like you know on which platform tick tock go to her oh karma like oh about amanda yeah go to her tick tock reposts oh by the way that's the most interesting part of this whole thing the page hannah amanda dynamic and how this splits it up even more yeah yeah it does okay hannah burner reposts

27:46no not that giggly squad hold on

28:00this that i think it was that oh okay will villainize you more than a person who realizes that you have clocked who they really are and not who they're pretending to be no one will villain and she also left a comment oop but i feel like hold on that could be explained away there's another repost that i saw on reels oh but she unreposted it unless it was fake news or maybe

28:25Jackie Oshry:she thought people were like looking too much into it and she was just like reposting something she liked not like giving commentary on the state of the union which would make it not true but hannah burner is a very interesting player in this game yeah i just know hannah burner sleeps so well at night you know yeah like these people were really awful to her and they know everybody's like did you watch her season yeah she was annoying and she didn't do the dishes like grow up what they did to her was so crazy and the fact that she was able to like recover a little bit and then a little bit more and is now more famous and successful than all of them like I just know she loves this you know especially I'm so happy for her I and I wonder how the like Amanda thing is and maybe they would have like become friends again eventually now that she's like left Kyle and who knows with this whole thing what's gonna happen um right but I think also like this season lover boy is really struggling Kyle is really struggling like he's on the brink of bankruptcy because if lover boy goes breakup and then he goes breakup he's on the hook he'll default on the loans four million dollars he's really like dire straits and it's like that was the thing you know that's apples to apples because that was the thing that like they why they were so unhappy with her and did what they did so I feel like that for her it feels like justice and I feel like the last season of summer house like we were getting kind of close to the possibility of maybe hannah and amanda like being okay with one another not friends but like i remember she was asked on watch what happens live about if she went to see like a giggly squad tour show in new york and she was like like no it's not my place like i don't want to make anyone like this is hannah's big day like just as much as it is pages and like i would never want to make her uncomfortable and it was just the way that she was speaking about it even though it's very like Taylor versus Kim she's the Kim yeah I'm over it yeah she's the villain you're not the one whose life was ruined I don't know why I just felt like Hannah got to a place where she was so successful like it literally didn't matter anymore what happened you never forget your first no I by the way I completely agree like they were so awful and I just I'm very so I feel like the idea of them ever coming together now even more so with all this drama like just feels like an impossibility but it does put Paige in just such a terrible spot especially because i think what one of pages like main characteristics and i think why people like her so much is like she just rides for her friends right like she doesn't really even get involved except for the craig stuff like there's not like a lot of drama around her she's always like riding for her friends her friends are friends friends and now she's sort of stuck between two of her friends and like who would you say she is a better friend with like sierra or amanda um amanda longer but i feel like sierra more deep i think so but we don't know we only know what we see on the show like which is like yeah three days of a one of a week in like what happens the rest of the year I don't know I think that's true if it's true or not I I maintain that it's not I'm sorry like that would be the stupidest thing I ever heard except the only thing that I could maybe imagine is like what if they're in love all out and they just made out not like they're trying they're in love and they're carrying on an affair and they have to like get everyone around them to accept it like what if they just like fucked up and made out like drunk yeah that's different but i want to say when i picture this being true i picture it as them like being actually in love they're kind of really similar i heard that like no they're staying together and they need to figure out how to like well they have to but you're really gonna risk it all for a guy whose shelf life is six months well of course it's just but what do we know about Amanda she has some of the worst taste in men of all time so oh please don't what do you think I'm gonna say it's something positive about Kyle Cook no oh I was gonna say everything else aside they're kind of perfect for each other yes I think that they have very similar like just general dispositions they're very like chill I'm very calm like I feel like it would be a quiet relationship I aside from him being like a classic fuck boy never gonna settle down like waste people time it's just like a bad call on her part personality wise i do feel like they're better suited for one another than weston sierra and amanda and kyle well obviously like me and the man on the street are better suited for one another than amanda and kyle like it's really insane how long they've been together how long they were married on the episode i was watching last night they had like a really bad fight he like cursed at her the night before it was like so nasty actually i wouldn't even call it a fight because she didn't do anything he just like walked right and was like fuck you because she she left he was inside djing it was very pathetic honestly they came back oh my god he was inside dj back from the club to the house he went to his dj kit and like starts playing tunes people like dancing a little bit but then everybody goes outside and it's like swimming and in the hot tub and hanging out outside it's his birthday weekend and he's inside djing for no one and he was he feels like amanda should be inside like with him and you know getting people to like be with him like support him whatever instead why don't you How did you move your speaker outside?

33:29He did, but then it was, like, too late. He put it in everyone's face and was like, unce, unce. It was really bad. This is so pathetic. It was really bad. And so he was, like, embarrassed, frustrated, drunk, and, like, butt hurt. And he, like, was like, fuck you to her. And then it was like, everyone was shook. And then they go into the bathroom, and he's still trying to, like, prove his point of feeling, like, alone. And, yeah, he's a wreck. And then he calls her, like, a dumb bitch. Yeah. oh my god and then like west it's like you know the middle man like trying to get him to apologize to amanda like i'm defending his girlfriend defending it and so just watching everything now like through the lens of like is there something there oh so anyways after that fight the next day someone was like why did they stay together after that right no no like why are they together and like nobody could answer the question why does she say like why what's one thing there's

34:24Jackie Oshry:not one positive thing about their relationship i don't think that there is a singular moment of joy especially towards the end yeah i think part of it is like not wanting everyone to have been right about you and your relationship we told you before you even got engaged like get get out yeah well i feel about kyle cook now

34:48Jackie Oshry:pass me i want to tell you not to get lost in these petty things your nemeses will defeat themselves before you get the chance to swing and he's passing by like there was a time when like if i saw kyle cook on the street like i actually would have squared up and punched him in the jaw like he called my husband a liar like there was a time where he was my number one nemesis and like now i actually just feel bad for him like he's on the verge of homelessness i feel like calling him your nemesis it's like it's not even worthy yeah no i agree i agree but like look like look at you like yeah look at me yeah yeah no it's like sad i know it's like i actually feel bad making fun of him because he's such a loser like desperate jobless single yellow belly loser so now can we talk about something else or like do you guys want us to talk about this more just kidding i felt like i needed to get all death i needed to get that all out there and i just want to say i don't believe it still i don't believe it wow okay that's like when you didn't think kim and Kanye were getting divorced.

35:51Jackie Oshry:It's true. Oh, yeah. And you didn't think Travis and Taylor were met. Travis and Taylor. We all have, like, things we are just in denial about. Because to believe that it's true. I'm sorry. Like, bigger than Skandaval. Worse than Skandaval. Except that they were carrying on an affair and whatever. Blah, blah, blah. Like, I feel like this was just, like, this is, like, smaller and they weren't married or anything. And also, Raquel and Ariana were, like, very new friends. Yeah. This is, like, a deep. The end of home for girls is a mess. No, I know. and they live in LA. Like nobody has loyalty. Would you expect your boyfriend to be loyal?

36:22Jackie Oshry:But I do feel like Ariana and I think of Ariana and Amanda so similarly because they both were with people who were awful and like were always defending them and like stayed with them. And then they became like this big victim. And it's like, I don't actually feel bad for you. Like if anything, you're a victim of your own choices. And so we all have to be here being like, Ariana, where's like up until the scandal? I think every episode you were writing for him. And it's like, we knew he was this egotistical, narcissistic monster. and you kept telling us how great he was and moved into a house and bought a house and froze your eggs with him and it's like same with Amanda we knew he cheated on you before you even got engaged we have known for 10 years that he's a piece of shit and he was not going to end up like being the greatest husband and then we're all like she's free she's free from a self-imposed prison she took herself locked the key and threw it away yeah the difference is is that even though Ariana like was in this relationship that none of us can understand like something unfair happened to her you know something happened something wrong something wrong like something a betrayal of multiple degrees so she was really like this scorned wronged woman amanda kyle just like decided to end what they were doing yeah um no but like all this like she's free like all this free from what yeah okay the consequences of her actions our next story we mentioned it a wee bit but alex cooper is setting a YouTube reality competition show featuring reality TV veterans and villains.

37:51Jackie Oshry:And influencers. I feel like I read it. It's being poised. It's sort of, it sounds like House of Villains. Yeah. You know that E! show where like people who come off reality TV, Sandoval's on it, like crazy people. I think Kim Zolciak was on it. Polarizing people is what I read. Yeah, but I think all reality TV people are polarizing. I think, you know, some of the people are, maybe that's how she's selling it because some of these people are really not palatable. So it's like, oh yeah, well that's the point. They're polarizing. Right, but then there's also, like, beloved influencers on there. Like Julia Porter.