An Unremarkable Student: Monday, January 26th, 2026

8:45Jackie Oshry:and she's and he has like a cute little wife

8:47Claudia Oshry:yeah

8:47Jackie Oshry:cute

8:48Claudia Oshry:But like most players in the NFL, like have wives, have wives who make content and are part of their communities.

8:54Alan Cumming:But at the beginning of every season, like the NFL puts like a graphic up.

8:59Jackie Oshry:Hold on. I have to find it. It's like a little cartoon being like race to the Super Bowl. And it's, you know, all the quarterbacks walking towards the trophy. NFL. Let me see. I saw it this morning and like it kind of was giving scripted. Hold on.

9:12Claudia Oshry:Okay.

9:14Alan Cumming:What would I look for to find this like NFL graphic? NFL cartoon race to the Super Bowl. Graphic Super Bowl. Oh, God, on Twitter.

9:24Jackie Oshry:I was going to get like Drake's penis. Yeah. Oh, wait, this is not it. Hold on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's like all the quarterbacks walking.

9:33Alan Cumming:Okay. And who are the two quarterbacks at the front? Drake and Sam Darnold. May Darnold.

9:39Claudia Oshry:Look at them. Wait. Okay, that's really crazy. Yeah, and they're front and center. because also Ward is there, but he's not front center. They couldn't have made it so obvious. Neighbors, Mayfield, Hunter. Those are the five teams in the front. That's really crazy because I was going to say this proves that the Super Bowl is not scripted. Because it's boring as hell.

9:59Alan Cumming:Like, where are the celebrities? Yeah, where is the lore? It just is giving random. It is giving random justice for the 49ers. It was their year. But they weren't even in the championships. It was their year. I'll just leave it at that. It clearly wasn't their year. that's what they want you to think the NFL scripter so who do you think will win we'll take

10:21Jackie Oshry:it all it's so hard to guess when you like genuinely don't care um but if it's the Seahawks versus the Patriots like I'm a New England girl ish I'm from New York so I'm gonna go Patriots yeah yeah I know you like are probably feeling conflicted because you are like a New England girl as well but you also love draft day which takes place like with the Seattle Seahawks no

10:42Claudia Oshry:Oh, the Bears. The Browns. The Browns. Really? Yeah.

10:48Alan Cumming:Kevin Costner isn't the coach for the Seahawks? No, not even close. Wasn't there like, are the Seahawks involved in draft day? Perhaps they're another team with a trade to trade. Oh, okay. So nevermind. So you have no ties to the Seahawks. No, I have no ties to the Seahawks.

11:02Claudia Oshry:And even when I think of draft day, like I don't think of the Browns.

11:05Alan Cumming:Yeah. And I do love that Robert Kraft, that little, that little Bob. So sure. Go Pat. Go Pats. Yeah. Hopefully it's a good game. We still need to finalize our plans because we don't have any. I know. We were talking about them this morning. We were because we talk so much. We're always talking. Almost like we do it for a living. And other than that, we played a lot of Maj this weekend. We did. Lots of family time, lots of beach time, water sign things. You guys wouldn't understand. You wouldn't. Are you having your fill of the water? Like, do you feel like your full self? Do you feel like full of water?

11:34Alan Cumming:Do you feel like your full self, like that you have like the water in your life? Yeah, I do actually. Like, we went to the beach both days this weekend. Like what more could a water sign ask for? Honestly, what more? Nothing, right? No. Then the beach, that's like primo water. Yeah.

11:54Jackie Oshry:And I get like, it's probably difficult for you to understand because you're not a water sign. Even though I am a water sign. No, because you're not a water sign. And that's how I know like horoscopes, sorry to who this is, are fake and made up because Jackie's a water sign. When I tell you like nobody hates the water more than Jacqueline.

12:10Claudia Oshry:I don't hate it. But I just don't like love it.

12:12Alan Cumming:She doesn't feel connected to it like I do. No. She doesn't mess with it like I do. No. I can appreciate like the majesty of the ocean. Okay. Well, when Suzy Weiss was on, like she was talking about the ocean.

12:21Jackie Oshry:She talked about the ocean in a lot of different ways. And I think about what she said a lot, like that the ocean is the new space. And like there's going to be a lot more sea exploration, a lot like of tech money being spent down there. But also that like it freaks her out. And like she thinks it's spooky. Whereas like I think it's the most magical. What do you make of the sea?

12:36Claudia Oshry:Oh, I think it's really majestic. And I think it's very humbling to stand in front of the ocean. Wait, that's really beautiful. Go on. Like, it's just, no matter what's going on, like, the tides keep tiding. It's so true. You think you're so, like, big and, like. The ocean doesn't care. It's so true. It'll chew you up and spit you out. So Moana. Yeah. We just read a book. I don't want you to read this book because I think, like, overall you wouldn't like it. But there are, and we just recorded Redheads, which is why it's top of mind. but it's very much like oceanic dystopian thriller sort of thing.

13:12Claudia Oshry:And like a lot, like these are big themes in the book, the ocean. Oh, it's called the ocean? Wild dark shores. So oceanic. You know? Yeah. But I don't know that you should read it. Anyways, Redheads is coming out first Thursday of February. And it's one of my favorite episodes. Switching up the format.

13:27Alan Cumming:Yeah, you didn't update everyone that you like kind of were like underselling, saying it was going to be the worst podcast ever. We changed everything. And then I spoke to you after and you said it was like. I never said it was going to be the worst podcast ever, but I was just like saying like

13:37Claudia Oshry:redheads is just, it's kind of like in a transitional phase. We were at sort of a breaking point where it's like very hard to like get it done every month. And one thing that I offloaded for myself is hosting the entire episode. Now, whoever chooses the book is going to be like hosting the discussion. So this was our first time doing that. Rebecca hosted. It was her book. The episode was so amazing. So fresh. We all came away just being like that. Like there's new life breathed into the redheads. I love that. I love that. Necessity is the mother of invention. That's beautiful. So I'm really excited for the episode to come out.

14:04Claudia Oshry:Plus this book is like everywhere. Reese's Book Club, everyone. Oh, it's just good to be like in the mix with the other celebrity book clubs. Yeah. Especially like if we're not all reading that much, like we need to read the buzzy ones. So stay tuned for that.

14:17Alan Cumming:It's interesting that we have the same iPad case. But they look different. Like what? Yours is like such a washed up pink. It's yeah. And also this is your iPad case. Because yours has a lipstick stain on it. Why do I have it? I don't know. But this is my iPad.

14:32Claudia Oshry:My charge is not charging on my iPad because I got used to your iPad instead of mine. Like my, like things are on.

14:39Alan Cumming:No, your passcode. My pass, yeah. Interesting. Very interesting. Spookiness is a plenty here at the toast this morning. It is. And so are pop culture TV recap. Yes. Let's dive in. Let's dive in. Okay. To the fast five stories that you do need to know.

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17:57Claudia Oshry:You're welcome. Our first story was somehow the big entertainment news of the weekend, Skyscraper Live. Yeah. Netflix live streamed a man climbing to the top of the Taipei 101 Skyscraper, which is this 1 ,667 foot tall skyscraper in Taipei, Taiwan.

18:15Alan Cumming:So he free climbed it. No harness, no rope, no net, allegedly.

18:19Jackie Oshry:now oh are you i have a very hard skyscraper truth i am a skyscraper truther i have a very hard time believing like yes this guy is the best at what he does so like if there was anyone who's going to do it he's done things like this before i have a very hard time believing netflix was

18:34Alan Cumming:going to let a man die on television like so i was just reading about this they said it was on a 10 second delay so that if he fell that they would just cut away and you wouldn't oh that's interesting yeah okay so i keep learning like different things about it and also everyone on the planet was watching this beginning i didn't watch it because i had no idea it was happening because how would i know this was happening i how did anyone know this was happening like

18:55Jackie Oshry:cynthia arrivio i did not know this was happening and my chat with my high school friends was like is anybody watching this thing on netflix and another margot was like yeah i am so two of the girls they were like it's so crazy they were hyping it up i was like okay well i have to watch it um and then i was it was a long thing like i think it took them like 90 minutes to watch it and it was like a whole broadcast like packages so as i was watching i kept seeing people on Instagram so I really felt like I was a part of something you were a part of it I was so um like I was having a lot of feelings about it like I hate this guy I just want to say like he has a wife and kids and apparently he had a documentary yes called free solo yeah that like people had big reactions to as well but he didn't have a wife and kids at the time so um or he might have just had a wife no I don't think so and he was like this guy's crazy but he's free you know so like whatever now he's doing it and they kept talking about the fact that he had kids and like why would someone do this?

19:44Jackie Oshry:And they had these really annoying correspondents. One of the correspondents was like a free climber herself who like has like holds a lot of titles in the women's free climbing. And I just kept thinking like how stupid the sport was. And they kept talking about the sport like it was soccer. I mean, it's not. And there's quite literally no reason to do that. And I was just getting mad. And when he got to the top, he was just so crazy, Jackie, like he, I believe this was a very easy climb for him. So he was like doing little tricks and I wanted to kill him. Like at one point he did like had his legs wrapped around a pole and took his hands off.

20:18Jackie Oshry:Like look, ma, no hands. Every time he got to like, it's the structure. My palms are sweating. Jackie, it was very like irritating to watch. The structure is like tiered. So it's like bigger and then there's like a little platform and it gets smaller. So every time he got to a platform, he would like look over fearlessly.

20:33Alan Cumming:Because there was people, I guess this was a huge thing in Taipei. Like everybody knew about it. People are inside the building. And he's taking pictures with people. He is a lunatic, like an absolute lunatic.

20:43Jackie Oshry:And I just like did not like, like, I don't want to, we should not be encouraging this type of behavior. It's so reckless. It's so stupid. I'm sorry. Like, I think the sport is dumb. If you're a part of the free climbing, like community, you're going to want to turn this off. Cause I think it's incredibly stupid. It's incredibly reckless. Like for what? For what? One of the female correspondents was getting choked up when he made it. I'm like, girl, you need a life. Like, I just, I hated the whole thing. I hated the fact that like, they might've been live streaming a man's death. Like, like, seriously, why?

21:07Jackie Oshry:Like, with all the violence and video games and TV, like, now we're live streaming death. That's why I just kind of refused to believe that it was real. And there was also... You don't think it was real? I don't know. I have no proof. But, like, I don't believe that. And also, you know, he only got paid$500 ,000.

21:21Alan Cumming:Like, that's not a lot for that. It's not$200 million.

21:25Jackie Oshry:Correct. But you know, like, if Netflix... Like, Netflix was doing this. Like, and so if he wasn't going to do it, like, some other crazy person would have. So he was like, yeah. And he's a household name out.

21:34Claudia Oshry:Alex Honnold. I never heard of him before. And like at least let it be someone who's experienced who like can get it done. He has he's never climbed a building before. He only has climbed rocks, rocks, mountains, etc. I wonder if climbing a building is like nothing compared to climbing a mountain. Maybe. Also like the building is built the same at every. Right. You know what to expect. You said it was like repetitive. Yeah, it is. And the mountain, the majesty of God is just different in every turn.

22:01Jackie Oshry:Yes. They had a lot of like pre-made packages about his home life. His wife is like also crazy. Like, I just think she's crazy. She didn't think there's any of this was weird. And then we saw like their reunion, like on the top of this platform when there was an elevator. So she took the elevator and he met her like at the 101st floor or whatever. And they were like taking pictures and stuff. And I was just like, these are two fucking crazy people. I just like, I didn't think it was cute. I didn't think they were a good match. Like they're really sweaty.

22:25Alan Cumming:It was so crazy. And how did you get off of it? They did they helicopter? So you know how like at the Empire State Building, there's a spy antenna. Yeah. He went to the very top.

22:34Jackie Oshry:And it's so funny because you see it. The top of the antenna? You think the antenna is like a cell phone antenna. No, it's huge. Like 10 people could stand on it. So he went to the top. And Jackie's at the top of the antenna, like looking over, like leaning over. He's being insane. It's not even flat. It's round. He's a crazy person. He then, there was a harness and a rope waiting for him up there. He belayed himself. Unbelay. Belay on. He unbelayed himself down to like the 120th floor where there was cameras. cameras one of the correspondents and his wife and they were the team pictures they were all harnessed he did not harness himself um and I just kept thinking about like the camera crew there was a guy on a belay following him the whole time so like literally all the way up until he got to the

23:17Alan Cumming:antenna I believe they just had like a camera at the building next door just like zoomed in on him

23:22Jackie Oshry:um a fellow crazy person just crazy people doing crazy things obviously I watched it like I got got because, you know, it was like the shock value entertainment and I was shocked and I watched it. But we need to stop. We need to not be doing stuff like that. Like it was insane.

23:37Claudia Oshry:I do fear this will encourage more because it was a great success. He did great. Everyone watched it. Everyone's talking about it. He's a star now. So I think this will inspire like a new genre and like a new genre of entertainment,

23:49Alan Cumming:like free climbing lie. Yeah, I remember like the only recent example

23:54Jackie Oshry:and it's not even that recent that I can think of. And I think it was Netflix or Red Bull always sponsors. He's like crazy. That guy who like free jumps from the moon. Like, you know what I mean? He, he takes something all the way up to like, not the moon, but like outer space ish. Like he can see earth. Yeah. And he just jumps. He lost consciousness. But then like when he's like a couple of hundred feet above, he like takes a parachute.

24:20Claudia Oshry:Yeah. There's content like this all the time. They just put it on Netflix. But like, yeah, Red Bull does things like this all the time.

24:25Jackie Oshry:I've always thought it was crazy and strange. And I just have to believe that there is some sort of contingency plan.

24:29Alan Cumming:Like, and I don't see other people theorizing. I feel like maybe if you know a lot about climbing, that this was so easy.

24:37Claudia Oshry:And if you're not afraid of heights and you're just like climbing some metal, like, and you take out being so high up. But if it's like a ladder almost.

24:45Alan Cumming:So, you know, it's like, it's a random building. Yeah. This building like was his dream, though. Kind of how like Sully wanted to land on the Hudson. Oh, he's been eyeing Taipei 101. Yeah, this is like his building. Like he's like in love with the building, you know? That's really funny. At least that's what they said.

25:00Jackie Oshry:Also, one of the commentators did say that like I kept thinking about like he is such an experienced climber. Like to him, this is like akin to walking. Right. It's second nature. I don't care. It's still like you're not going to convince me, you commentators who were insane, by the way, like three of the worst people on the planet. You are not going to convince me that this is not an absolutely bonkers fucking crazy thing to do. You're just not for a father of two. I know.

25:23Claudia Oshry:I think he knew that he could do it like that. This was like a climbable skyscraper.

25:28Jackie Oshry:And the people in the streets like we're being so like, oh, like it was literally so dramatic. And he knew he was playing. He was literally performing for people. Yes. I don't believe that this was hard at one point for him, for him. At one point, like I said, each tier had like a little platform. So we got like a break, like a couple of seconds in between until I catch his breath on and his shoes. Because it's like a dirty building. It's you don't clean the outside of the building. His shoes were covered in grease. So he was like, I kind of got to wipe off the grease and he used his hands. So I'm like, well, your hands are greasy now.

26:00Jackie Oshry:And he didn't like wipe off his hands or anything. But did he chalk them again? He had a big thing of chalk on his belt. So like he kept reaching behind. So yeah, it's just crazy. Yeah. And everyone was watching it. I saw Kim. I basically think she has like a Netflix deal coming up because she was at Netflix. Like this is crazy. She's definitely doing a project with Netflix.

26:18Claudia Oshry:Well, she does her movie with Netflix, right? That was on the show like two seasons ago. She has like a big movie coming. On the show, they like sold a big movie to Netflix. I don't know what's happened with it, but it's supposed to be like the next Bridesmaids.

26:28Alan Cumming:Oh, okay. That'll be fun. Yeah. It was insane. Like I had a good time, of course. I just don't know like how anyone knew about it. How did the first person know about it? Well, so when I opened Netflix, it was right on the homepage because it was being live streamed.

26:44Jackie Oshry:And I'm happy for Netflix because I think a lot of people watched it. And as far as I know, I think there were a couple of issues in the very beginning. But as far as I know, I had a seamless streaming experience.

26:51Alan Cumming:It had to be delayed 30 minutes because it rained and the building was wet. Oh, sorry. There was also like they were on earthquake watch. They had to delay. They delayed this a couple of times. Like days? Yeah. Oh, wow. So maybe that's why you didn't hear about it. Like because it was like maybe not going to happen. And I wound up watching Traders Saturday Night. By the time I saw everyone's stories, I was in bed. Yeah, yeah. So.

27:12Jackie Oshry:Traders, it wasn't as good as Traders. Traders is the best show ever. I can't believe it. I like it so many. Like I've been missing out on it. It's the best show ever created. and I can imagine watching a season where everyone cast isn't like stupid is probably even more fun

27:25Alan Cumming:yeah but I'm having the best like when this is over we should go back and watch last season yeah that's like a good thing to do the next time I like give birth yeah or we could just do it sooner

27:34Claudia Oshry:than that no I think I'll wait till I give birth our next story future in-laws Andrea Swift and Donna Kelsey bonded at the Sundance Film Festival it's a Spider-Man meme because they're the same person right but it was crazy that they were like so chummy I thought that was a crazy picture

27:49Alan Cumming:Especially, you know, the rumors were swirling that Taylor and Travis are like on the rocks. Oh, so like. This kind of disproves that. The mother-in-laws came out to like put it down for them. Because they said that they were on the rocks due to wedding planning and stuff. And the people that fight most during the wedding planning are mothers-in-laws.

28:02Jackie Oshry:Yeah. So these two are looking chummy.

28:04Claudia Oshry:Yeah. Travis and Taylor's moms attended the Sundance Film Festival in Park City on Sunday during the outing. They were bundled up arm in arm.

28:12Jackie Oshry:Yeah, like seriously, gal pals. Posing for paps. When Taylor and Travis were first spotted together, like one of the reasons I knew that they might be forever is because their mothers are the same person and they love their moms and their moms are like public figures. It's seriously the Spider-Man meme. I can't tell them apart except Donna has glasses. And I actually know Donna like a lot better now that she's been on Traders and like debased herself. Is she who you thought she was? No, not at all. She's like low-key shy.

28:36Alan Cumming:But was she just being shy? Because that was her spoiler alert. Yeah. You got yourself a traitor. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe. we don't know donna at all because she was like baking it the whole time but in her confession

28:48Claudia Oshry:actually she didn't get confessionals because we didn't know who the secret trader was in hindsight like the secret trader bit was so obvious for donna well clearly everybody got her i didn't even guess it like they did secret trader so that donna could like be on the show in an interesting way but not actually be on the show like correct you know and like i guess i don't know like i i

29:11Alan Cumming:seriously i i don't understand why who what when where why how when it comes to the secret trader so like they never had one before but like apparently they do it on the uk spinoff oh

29:21Jackie Oshry:which i've heard is amazing it's literally like the new love island and i also feel like i will

29:24Claudia Oshry:get to traders recap i feel like none of the traders or the faithfuls are like not that they should because she was a secret trader putting together like who donna was like allied with

29:32Alan Cumming:yes they were but they don't realize that she was a secret that's why they every time they keep going back to the donna vote right got it okay which is fair yeah that's what they should be doing um are you ready for our next story so yeah the story was that the two of them were spotted

29:45Jackie Oshry:together and like Sundance actually was like making waves or maybe it's because I'm just like um like on Brooks Nader's close friend's story and like she was there she was making there was a lot of like fabulous things happening at Sundance whatever I think of Sundance I think of Entourage like everything I know about the Sundance Film Festival I know because they go there at Entourage like two or three times um and just seems like a fabulous event and then of course like Lisa The bar is probably so busy.

30:06Claudia Oshry:Yeah. I wonder what she's up to for Sundance. For Vita. I'm not caught up. No, me neither. But what were they doing at the Sundance Film Festival?

30:15Jackie Oshry:Does Travis have a movie or something?

30:17Claudia Oshry:And is Travis there? Is Taylor there?

30:18Alan Cumming:This picture is just like there without context. Oh, yeah. Like what sort of events were they attending? What's the meaning behind the trip? Right. There's really no information. Was it just like a ski weekend that happened to? But they're like in the middle, like there was the paparazzi. They're posing for a picture. They're not even like being caught together. They are turned and smiling. And it's background photo. So it's paparazzi. They were like at an event.

30:43Alan Cumming:Puzzling. Extremely. But also Lervis like to spend time in Utah. Yes, they do. There are a couple of key places that they like to attend. Yeah. So maybe they're all there calling us a wedding. Right. Maybe they're there canceling on the vendors. Maybe they're having a wedding summit. Yeah. Maybe they wanted to cancel on the vendors face to face. Just kidding. I don't think they're on the rocks. Me neither. Are you ready? But I do think like their relationship has reached new challenges. Like any new relationship does. That's okay. Yeah. But what could their wedding issue be? Well, we know it's not financial.

31:21Alan Cumming:Right. Which means like the guest list can be infinite. Like the things that normal people. Maybe guest list. Yeah. No, but usually the guest list issues are because of money. Or venue. And if she wants to get married at holiday house.

31:33Jackie Oshry:Like they'll build, you know what I mean? Like the issues that normal people, it's not guest list related. It's not financial. Like all wedding issues, whether it's the guest list or the band are because of the money. Yeah. They do not have that issue.

31:45Alan Cumming:But like Nick, the Peltz Beckhams had so many issues and they weren't money. Right. But I think the Peltz, that's a great question.

31:53Jackie Oshry:The Peltz Beckham issues were because of either like, you know, toxic mother-in-laws, which I don't believe we have here. Like these two sweet old ladies, it ain't them.

32:02Alan Cumming:They're dispelling all toxic mother-in-law. And like really young, immature bride and groom from Brooklyn and Nicola, which I don't believe these people are in their 30s. Like when you get married later in life, like you do.

32:13Claudia Oshry:Also, Brooklyn and Nicola are spending their parents money. So they have to get approved. It has to be what the parents want. True. Where Taylor and Travis are spending their own money.

32:21Jackie Oshry:Yeah. I've ended up on like Brit talk. Like sometimes my algorithm thinks that I'm like I get like sometimes my algorithm thinks I'm Israeli and I get like content in Hebrew and I don't know what these people are saying. And then like I end up in rabbit holes and I've clearly like been on team Victoria talk so much so that they think I'm Britain British. Excuse me. And like so much of her music, her books are going viral again. She's like trending in the like they're like, we don't mess with our national treasures. They ride. So I don't know what the I feel like America is very like toxic mother in law.

32:51Jackie Oshry:Whereas in the UK, they're like spoiled brat kids. Like the U.S. is Harry and Meghan. Yes. Harry and Meghan. The U.S. is very like Brooklyn and Nicholas side.

33:00Alan Cumming:Set your boundaries. Yeah therapy talk Whereas the Brits are very much like They back the firm Yeah The institution I find myself in the same position As Harry and Meghan

33:10Jackie Oshry:And a lot of There are a lot of Parallels Yeah And I forgot that we reported That they had dinner I don't know if that was like Something we thought would be funny If it happened Or if it actually happened But they did

33:20Claudia Oshry:Yeah

33:21Jackie Oshry:They had dinner They did have dinner Today's also the first day Where we're styling our hair By ourselves Like I had my I washed my hair last night Right me too And I started fresh With our new $100 ,000 blowouts wait I was somewhere

33:38Jackie Oshry:tell us what happened someone was just like I love your hair period they didn't know about the $100 ,000 haircut like I forget or it might have been I think it was at the bank

33:49Alan Cumming:the teller was like I love your hair and I was like oh my god did you say like Chris Appleton cut it I literally pointed it at$100 ,000 this hair$100 ,000 is that crazy that's like everybody knows you could see it Yeah. Thanks.

34:02Claudia Oshry:Are you ready for our next story? Speaking of beauty, number three. Oh, yeah. Pat McGrath laughs.

34:08Alan Cumming:Files for Chapter 11 bankruptcy. Auction canceled. This is really crazy. There have been whispers. I saw it on TikTok.

34:13Jackie Oshry:Like, I'm also, like, sometimes I land on beauty talk, and they think I'm, like, you know. A beautiful woman. Which they're right about. That she has been very close to filing for a while. But how? Which is shocking because she has so many viral products. But I guess, like, there was a Pat McGrath era.

34:30Alan Cumming:and I feel like it's a little bit over.

34:32Claudia Oshry:I don't feel like there was like a trend. Like it's been just that's a quality product and people like it, not like a flash in the pan.

34:39Jackie Oshry:Well, I feel like it's very opposite of the current makeup. It's very like Kylie. Like it's lots of colors and it's like high-end Kylie. She's known for her shadows, which are like crazy colors, big sparkle. And that's like not what beauty people are buying right now. It's a very clean girl, which is why like Charlotte Tilbury is thriving. She doesn't do anything beyond the color beige. Like it's very clean girl. Um, so maybe that's why, or I don't know if the brand was like run poorly. Um, but it's shocking because this is such a high end quality celebrity loved makeup brand. I mean, Taylor Swift's like iconic red that she wears everywhere is Pat McGrath.

35:13Claudia Oshry:Yeah.

35:14Jackie Oshry:So Pat McGrath, I hope she buys some stock.

35:16Claudia Oshry:Well, yeah. I mean, just because someone's filing for chapter 11, like doesn't mean it's over. Um, but they put out a statement saying during this process, the company will continue operations in the ordinary course of business while working to restructure its balance sheet and to forge

35:28Jackie Oshry:a path to thrive you know what I feel like the makeup industry is like so oversaturated that like I feel like we've kind of been waiting for like the domino effect for like everybody launched a brand some people thrived some people sort of like fell into oblivion like rem beauty I'm waiting

35:42Claudia Oshry:for them to announce like right that wouldn't be a surprise to me and I agree like not everyone's gonna make it and the cream rises and to me like Pat McGrath this cream I don't know I don't know

35:52Jackie Oshry:anybody I know you use one lipstick it's in my purse I don't know anyone who I don't use any Pat McGrath and I really don't know anyone who has in a while besides when and I should it's a really expensive brand too so like makeup these days like if you're going to be that pricey I'm trying to think of like what like hourglass really pricey um but they have like key products that keep people coming back the concealer being one of them like I don't know what sort of like

36:19Alan Cumming:cornerstone product everybody uses the things that were popular were like more makeup trends

36:23Claudia Oshry:at the time, not like a foundation that you can't live without. Yes. I understand. Well, I feel like, first of all, Chapter 11 doesn't mean it's over. No, it's not over. Someone could buy it. Someone could restructure it and make it valuable once again. Like Victoria Beckham.

36:37Alan Cumming:She's crushing it, by the way. I know.

36:39Claudia Oshry:I saw you liked a video that then was sent to me by the algorithm. What was the video? She was talking about her eyeliners. Being sold every 30 seconds? One every 30 seconds. And then when you see that, it's such good marketing because when you see that, I'm like, well, then I need one.

36:53Alan Cumming:even though I don't even wear eyeliner. So I have never used a Victoria Beckham makeup product.

36:57Jackie Oshry:And I feel like her whole brand, and I thought this after the documentary too, is moving from clothes to beauty. She must be, at least in the UK at least, like really successful in beauty. I've kind of felt influenced a couple of times to buy something.

37:08Alan Cumming:I might. Where do they sell it? I bought two things. Where do they sell it? Not from that video.

37:12Claudia Oshry:Online. Is that Sephora? I don't think so. I got like a cream white eyeliner, you know, like cream colored eyeliner, and their lip balm. Everyone has a lip balm these days. I think the beauty is paying for the clothes. Yeah, because I don't know if the clothes are like flying off the shelves. And it's that's expensive to run that that keeps everything in the green. I don't think she's interested in running strictly a beauty brand. That was like not the dream. But like this allows her and her partner for him to make money and for her to live her dream and put out parche clothes, which the world does need.

37:41Jackie Oshry:Yeah. Yeah. But I have felt compelled. Like if I if I'm in a store and they sell Victoria Beckham, like I might get some beauty. Yeah. I've heard the contour stick is like it's like tiny.

37:51Claudia Oshry:so it's like people love it i i have a contour stick that i love but it's becoming increasingly harder to find so it might be like i just bought two because i'm scared of the day where they tell

37:59Alan Cumming:that's what taylor swift's gonna have to do with her red lipstick if peppered like truly goes out of business yeah so let's see what happens i wanted to tell you one thing um so on friday

38:08Jackie Oshry:after friday's episode jackie and i recorded a patreon episode um kind of like a quarterly no no like an annual installment we do called toast radio and the whole theme was like commuter edition it's a radio show that we record on patreon so if you ever want to like listen to music but also listen to the toast you can listen to toast radio brilliant we talk about our favorite songs we do like celebrity like chit chat haha and one of the songs jackie selected that she's like been listening to during her commute is band-aids by katie perry she's giving katie perry a second chance so i listened to it on my commute this morning and it's actually very good i'm so glad

38:35Claudia Oshry:that you agree you influenced me and i'm glad we're taking it to the main show because i know i said this on toast radio everyone's giving up on katie perry's new music um but it's a shame because Band-Aids is a wonderful song. And it's like about her divorce from Orlando Bloom. So it's like topical and it's beatsy.

38:51Alan Cumming:And I just feel like it's like no one's paying attention. And then as I was listening to it, I had like kind of a radical thought about Katy Perry. I'm going to make an analogy if that's okay.

38:58Jackie Oshry:I feel like, I feel like Katy Perry, no, sorry. Justin Trudeau is Katy Perry's Travis Kelsey. Like after this big, long relationship, this like celebrity couple that you might think is like a rebound, I actually think her and Justin Trudeau if they haven't broken up already like our end game and like you don't think it's ever going to happen after this like long breakup it's giving rebound but Travis was technically a rebound

39:25Alan Cumming:now they're getting married

39:25Claudia Oshry:oh but I don't see Katie and Orlando as I saw like Joe and Taylor why they have a kid together they were together no no I don't like I don't consider Joe and Taylor that much like oh wow I feel like they're less than oh they were basically married like yeah like I feel like Katie was like happy with Orlando or they had a kid, they had a beautiful family, like daisies, everything. I think Taylor was happy with Joe until she wasn't.

39:48Alan Cumming:No, but what was being put forth was not happiness. Well, yeah, they were always hiding and living in sin almost, right? Yeah, but I do believe that they were happy. Even though you listen to her music now, it's like, girl, are you okay? If anything, I feel like Travis is Taylor's Orlando. So you think Katie and Orlando are OTP? Do you think they'll ever find their way back to one another? I don't know. the song like it didn't sound like it was that like yeah like the worst thing he did was not ask her how her day was it's like girl okay there are there are women out here accepting less so like go back like it didn't feel irreparable or but actually him being with that girl who dressed up as her for halloween oh that is like never speak to me again unfortunate yeah i forgot about

40:29Claudia Oshry:i forgot about that unfortunate situation but yeah i um i'll hand you back your analogy i don't feel

40:37Alan Cumming:Like it's a little half paced. She's rebutting my analogy.

40:40Jackie Oshry:All right. Well, you'll be keep working. You'll be eating your words when Katy Perry's walking down that Canadian aisle.

40:47Claudia Oshry:Okay. Sure. Yeah. I would like to see that. I'm not rooting against your analogy, by the way. Really? It feels like you really are.

40:56Alan Cumming:No, I just like the work isn't complete so far. You're such a teacher sometimes. Like I actually Jackie always does say that like if she weren't doing what she was doing,

41:05Jackie Oshry:like she might have become a teacher. and you would be an amazing one because you're a bitch, okay? I think I would be an amazing teacher. She's always like telling me my ideas are half-baked and that I didn't do my homework

41:13Alan Cumming:and that like she's sending me to the principal's office. Which is just my office. I think I'd be a good principal too. There are two different types of teachers. I think we all agree. Like teachers, everyone has a teacher. Like Miss Honey? Yes, everybody has a Miss Honey and a Miss Trunchable. Like you are such a Trunchable. I think I'm a perfect blend of both. No, no. Like I know. Who's your Miss Honey? I think I have two. Miss Shinebein was my Miss Honey and Miss Bracho, like she was such a real one. That's really sweet. I'm obviously not going to say my Miss Trunchable because everybody listens to this podcast.

41:44Alan Cumming:All of our former teachers. Every time I talk about a teacher, like it ends up in my DMs. Like, please don't. So you cannot say you're Miss Trunchable.

41:51Jackie Oshry:Yeah, even though I'm really trying to think like a teacher who like scarred you, like said something so mean or like was so, oh, I know, sorry. I literally was talking about her the other day.

42:01Alan Cumming:Oh. Bitch. yeah who was your miss honey no one comes to mind oh maybe that's why you are a trunchable but i don't have a trunchable either maybe every trunchable never had a honey and that's how they ended up a honey but i matilda is like an eternal i don't have like i like imprinted teachers on me good or bad good or bad i guess that's good yeah like they were just like you were just like doing

42:25Claudia Oshry:they were you were doing their they were like i wasn't like a student that like was stood out for

42:30Alan Cumming:better or for worse oh i definitely was you know what i'm both like for better and for worse i'm trying to think yeah no okay mr levine was your was your miss honey yeah i'm very unremarkable jackie the tone not to not

42:49Alan Cumming:don't say that that's so not true

42:56Jackie Oshry:i've never seen you make that face before

43:08Alan Cumming:she's unremarkable yeah

43:13okay then sorry i asked so sorry i hope you feel good i do actually never felt better

43:25Jackie Oshry:really funny stuff you're not unremarkable i mean you couldn't be unremarkable if you tried Like when you were like the only redhead in your grade, like, please a part of this, like all-star family, please. It's true. You couldn't have been unremarkable. Wow. That was really, really funny. Like, thank you for that. Are you ready for our next story? If it's our next story, that's brought to you by Quince, a truly remarkable brand. Yes. Starting the year off with a wardrobe refresh. Well, Quince has got you covered. They have luxury essentials that feel effortless, look polished, but will not break the bank.

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46:52Claudia Oshry:It's a pleasure doing business with you. Our fourth story is some new couple news that needs to be discussed. There's a new couple brewing blossoming in the Bravo universe. Have you seen this? Carl Radke and Vanita from Southern Charm are rumored to be dating. Well, they've been talking about it. So they went on a date a few weeks ago. And I think she shared that it was like an hours long date. Very good stuff. And then she was on Watch What Happens Live saying that she's been going out on a few dates with Carl. They're getting to know each other. And then on Instagram, it seems as though they both traveled to London like together taking a couple trips.

47:31Claudia Oshry:So they're like dating. I don't know if they're boyfriend, girlfriend yet, but like they are seeing each other. It's giving Paige and Craig.

47:36Alan Cumming:It is giving. Is this the new Paige and Craig?

47:39Jackie Oshry:The new Paige and Craig. I do feel like Summer House like does sort of need like new something. And, you know, with Paige leaving and it was kind of like, and now Kyle and Amanda is divorced, like will help ratings. So anything to help. Yeah. These preexisting because there's quite literally no reason Carl is on this show. He really has not provided much since his breakup with Lindsay. I think it's probably better for him to not be on the show. I think he would probably have it like he's just like he's just sort of elevated beyond it. He's sober. I feel like he's doing really well in his life.

48:08Jackie Oshry:I don't know what purpose the show serves him besides financial. And he's now in so deep with his bar. Well, that's, by the way, a serious purpose. Of course. So I do think he kind of needs things to keep him in the mix a little bit because he does feel sort of like an outsider now with like these younger cast mates coming in like Wes and Jesse. So this is great if she's going to be on Summer House. She's great on Southern Charm. I think this is good for both of them. Like I'm thinking of this as a business sense.

48:34Claudia Oshry:Yeah, but in terms of like a personality sense, I could see why they would click, but I don't know if like it could go the distance. And also like, then again, it's the same page and Craig situation. Who's moving?

48:44Jackie Oshry:Yeah. I think the difference is that like, I don't know. I feel like Vanita would obviously move. Like Carl is like such a storied, even though she has more of a few, she has more of a future on Southern charm than he does on summer house.

48:54Claudia Oshry:Yeah. And like, I don't know. She like has her house and her thing. She's like very Charleston. I feel like. Yeah. And she's like settled. Sort of. Yeah. I feel like he's a little more transient.

49:02Alan Cumming:Yeah. Except soft bar. Like he's got$900 ,000 due in rent.

49:07Claudia Oshry:that's true so like these are big conversations have not to put too much pressure but it's like you know yeah it could become an issue down the line i have i am not caught up on southern charm i've seen people the southern term community like being like where are the recaps oh the s i'm gonna catch up i'm behind on sc southern charm and real housewives of beverly hills um because i've been watching like traitors and tell me lies and i there's only so many hours in a day um i feel

49:31Jackie Oshry:like the stream it's like kind of like a streamy moment yeah and i just like got behind on southern

49:36Claudia Oshry:charm but like i will i will find the time to get back to it because you know that's my comfort show yeah and like zach carried on without me like it's a whole thing zach's when your husband's watching southern yeah like we usually watch together because it's a show that we both like and i don't know when he was he's like want to watch the new episode i'm like new episode oh wow not keeping up behind your back right not very supportive not supportive so then it's like oh well we can't watch together because we're not you know so everything's just a mess and like he doesn't

50:00Alan Cumming:want to watch the old episodes again and like you don't want to be i don't want to jump i gotta get

50:04Claudia Oshry:to know Charlie what's going on with Sally yeah yeah yeah so I'll try and pick it back up soon but anyways I think this is a cute couple and good for content if nothing else right good for Bravo con like it'll be fun if it's just for a moment neither of them are filming right now so

50:17Alan Cumming:like maybe just wait yeah wait a couple months yeah so you don't like break up before you even get a chance to film and like for us to see it yeah and I feel like they're telling us about it

50:26Claudia Oshry:like a little early on which is never a good sign but fingers crossed yeah our fifth and they both seem like they want like a serious relationship so if they're if their intentions are both so true then i think that's a good place to start that's very true our fifth and final story leading into tv recap trailers alan coming oh please is this about their statement oh no okay this is about he gave an interview to awards radar uh-huh and i'm talking about the banquet yeah he said a lot of things about the show some like inside baseball that's really interesting and like that they don't live at the castle they live in a courtyard marriott oh that we already knew but no he talked about like the round tables how they play like spooky music for five minutes at the round table before Alan comes in they like make the environment like very tense charge she said like for a while like no one like speaks because we see that on the show it's like who's gonna who's gonna throw it out there but then it gets like so heated yeah um how it's really like a psychological

51:18Alan Cumming:torture experiment the fun thing about Alan Cumming is obviously him being really famous

51:22Jackie Oshry:and like being the host but I do feel like he loves his job like he's so caught up on the drama I feel like and I don't know why this is coming as an example to me but like like Ariana Maddox on Love Island. I feel like she has no idea what's going on in the house. She just comes and does her twirls and leaves. I feel like Alan is obsessed. I feel like he's a fan of everyone. I feel like he loves his job.

51:40Claudia Oshry:Yeah, I think he does too. Murder. He was asked, what's the greatest TV moment in history? And he said, I think it's going to come in season four of The Traitors. There's something that happens that is just so insane and so they go nuts. And there's some behavior that happens because of that. It's just outlandish. So I honestly, it's certainly the best moment of Trader's TV history. So we know that the banquet is next week, but it'll probably be. And he says it when you hear the word banquet. Run. It will probably be, I don't know if it's going to be this episode. He said which episode it is. I think he said seven.

52:12Claudia Oshry:I don't know if that's next. I think we're on seven. Yeah. Really? We're about to be seven. Yeah. Okay.

52:15Jackie Oshry:So next episode is. Because it was three, two, one. They released three episodes, two episodes, then one. Okay. That would make this the seventh. Well, I hope so. Me too. The trailer looked good, but it always looks good. So him saying this, obviously like is, I don't know if he's just hyping it up, but it does sound like something really crazy happens when they all sit down at that banquet. This most recent episode was so good. I'm obsessed with the concept of this show. And I feel like you really can never predict who is going to end up doing well. Because I feel like I remember saying at the beginning, like Candace Dillard was out like such a bad choice for a traitor.

52:47Jackie Oshry:She's fucking crushing it. Like, I do understand why nobody has guessed her. And like what I had said was that Lisa was such a good traitor and Candace is not going to be a good one. It's the total opposite. I'm shocked at how not only bad of a traitor Lisa is, how bad she is at confrontation. And she should be counting her stars like that the internet, like Colton thought he was going to come on the show and like undo a lot of the poor image issues he had. And it's just having such a bad effect. I don't think he should have done it. It's having the opposite effect. It's just, and he's being so creepy and weird.

53:19Jackie Oshry:And it's like, well, you've been accused of being creepy and you are creepy. So like creepy is going to creep. And so Lisa's sort of like winning just because of goodwill. like everyone hates Colton but in terms of the show like Colton is crushing Lisa. She's so bad when she's being accused. She just like and Lisa fucking ran out.

53:37Alan Cumming:Nobody cares. Like that's not a rebuttal.

53:39Claudia Oshry:What she was trying to say is that she's more than a housewife. No not even like I'm more than anyone could say that but it's like she's not necessarily cast on the show because she was on Housewives. Right. She actually hasn't been on Housewives for a couple of years. Right. Like she has 36 years of experience in the business. She's an actress. She could have been on the show as an actress. So she doesn't automatically just go into the housewife box. Sure. Decent. I mean, it was like a great, you know, it was a sleigh for the internet, but I don't think Colton's buying it.

54:02Alan Cumming:I mean, if he was like suspicious of her,

54:06Jackie Oshry:her reactions have just sort of confirmed for him. And nobody cares that he's playing well now because we hate him. And he was being really creepy this episode, even more like you can, he had this like just sort of manic twinkle in his eye when he was like onto Lisa, like that of a crazy person. And so you can see how he did stalk and harass someone because he's kind of good at it. Like, I'm going to hold Lisa hostage. And he has this very zeroed in. Insane. I've never seen him so excited. It's creepy. So Lisa's just winning popular opinion because she's up against the villain. Online, you mean.

54:40Jackie Oshry:Yeah. And she's not getting properly criticized for being a horrific traitor.

54:45Alan Cumming:Her time is limited. Yeah, it is. I thought Rob is playing an amazing game. Okay, so when he turned around and said Lisa, he got very lucky that Lisa didn't end up getting home.

54:55Jackie Oshry:getting sent home because while they are a team, they're also playing for themselves. So he did, he has to protect the traitors, but he also has. So I understand why he did what he did. And it was a very human moment for, for Ron. Um, and I was just so glad, like everyone's pissing me off. You said it. You were like the eight of them were deciding to go in on Colton and not get swayed because Colton always swing.

55:15Alan Cumming:The whole thing Johnny said,

55:16Claudia Oshry:like he always comes to the table and he sways everyone. We have to get rid of him because he's not making, he's a swear. He doesn't make good choices and he's leading us poorly. He's the leader, but he's leading us poorly. and we all get wrapped up in Colton. So they had eight people who were going to vote for Colton. And literally at the round table, two of them got swayed by Colton. The reason why they were going to vote for him to begin with and didn't vote for him. Now, I don't necessarily want Colton to go home because I think he's good for the show and he is on to Lisa. The traders can't send him home now because...

55:42Claudia Oshry:It's so obvious. Yeah, and I feel like they have yet to name someone where like when they say it, it's like, aha. But when he said Lisa, like now everyone, like looking back at her gameplay so far like it's so obvious it's I don't know how glasses no but like the fact that she's this huge person and yes her rebuttal of like what do you want me to dance on the table like I'm not a housewife all the time like I'm but she does have a huge personality if anybody has watched her shows they know that like she's a big mouth and that's Candace too and Candace is really leaning into that and it's very it's working for her yeah and Candace is like you know has a lot of camaraderie with the faithfuls like to the fact that Tara and Johnny

56:20Alan Cumming:or like it's gonna trust her like yeah yeah well also like the round table was so frustrating

56:25Jackie Oshry:because when we're we're looking back you know tiffany is very much colton's doing and i guess portia is ron's doing and ron's like but you also got michael kicked out and i know it doesn't count because we don't like michael but you did and it was like thank you for fun like everyone in this group is so easily brainwashed that like it actually it really is like a sociological experiment and how people who are even like really smart and um like tough otherwise a group think is so real because like yeah like michael said something that we didn't like and it's like well you did falsely accuse him of being a traitor and like yeah you kind of got lucky that he said that but you still like that's still a knock in your column yeah and ron's like but that doesn't count because we don't like michael yes ron stand up for yourself yeah and he almost turned that table it was actually when i was watching me and ben like it's very tense i had no idea who was

57:14Claudia Oshry:going on were able to turn that table for lisa that would have actually been masterful and he would have been right and he would have been vindicated for everything and he was so close to doing it because when they sat down it was either ron or colton going home he had the eight votes they were going to send him home so the fact that he like got that close he is good at this game if he didn't have issues like in with in his personal life that the audience didn't like like he would be really goaded so far in how he's playing the game well now i kind of worry for

57:42Alan Cumming:Candace because Candace has kind of been resting on Ron right she's like I've said Ron from the beginning so she hasn't had to make any hard decisions because Ron is still there I agree now Ron is out Lisa's name is being thrown around you don't vote for a housewife so she can easily go with that

57:56Jackie Oshry:that's so true which is such a dumb

57:58Alan Cumming:rule yeah it's like it's not about what if you really think the housewife is a traitor you're not going to vote for them because they're a housewife Michael Rappaport went on radio Andy

58:07Jackie Oshry:and he said there's so much that hasn't been shown um there's apparently a huge huge like insane like housewives level blow up between Caroline Stanbury and Dorinda and also Ron and Dorinda both of which they feel like Dorinda's getting this like protective edit Michael Rappaport said that the fight between Caroline and Dorinda really had nothing to do with traitors and that might be why it didn't make air but during the roundtable between Dorinda and Ron it did like weirdly get heated when he's like I'm in my family yeah and it was like that's kind to weird and he was responding to comments being like there is so much lore there that like nobody knows yeah um i would love to know what happened and there is a traders reunion so i do think a lot of these questions will get answered because it seems like a lot of people are fighting about

58:50Claudia Oshry:things like that have nothing to do with the traders yeah so i'm curious well it is a lot of personalities in one house yeah and they like that's what they're used to doing is fighting yeah

58:59Jackie Oshry:i guess like dorinda and i didn't watch last season but she was like the first person sent home last season so people were really excited about her potential for being on the show and you know just because the gameplay like she got sent home so it was like i don't ride for dorinda like at all i did not like her as a housewife i think she like goes like really low and says like kind of the most evil shit you can say to someone and she's like oh i'm dorinda i'm like okay um so i could see her like saying really mean things to ron who's like just kind of like

59:23Alan Cumming:like weak yeah you know he like doesn't defend himself well and now he's well he does at the

59:28Claudia Oshry:round tables well he did he had a great round table he doesn't have a lot of allies he doesn't really care to make them he's just playing the game and if he were a traitor he'd be the world's worst traitor because he's not even trying to like be with the faithful so they're just like so surface level i would love to watch the show played by people who are very smart and very good

59:45Jackie Oshry:at gameplay unfortunately they eliminated all the gamers that's sort of the core issue with traders is that it's designed to get rid of people who would be playing the game best well first they

59:58Claudia Oshry:They just got rid of people who they know play good games. They got rid of Rob and the survivor people just because they know them to be smart. They didn't even do anything yet. Right. So it would be good to like when they do traders regulars, it will be good because people don't have preconceived notions about each other.

1:00:12Alan Cumming:Only keeping like the dum-dums around. That's very true. That's very much like survivor, regular survivor. Because those survivor people are regular people who won survival. Yeah. Who are just like good at gaming, but they're getting eliminated because of that. They didn't even start to game yet. Yeah. I feel like not enough. Like they're always like they target Colton.

1:00:31Jackie Oshry:They target people because they're kind of leaders like people. Yeah. And I feel like no one has targeted Natalie yet. And she's not a traitor. But I feel like she's the exact type of person that this group would come after because she's always steering people the wrong way.

1:00:42Claudia Oshry:Yeah. And also they need to understand maybe in the past seasons it hasn't been this way. And they're just going off of what people did last season because, again, like not the brightest bunch. But like if someone is putting themselves out there and like taking shots and putting a target on their back, it's likely that they're not a traitor because that's so obvious that then they're going to be going next.

1:01:01Alan Cumming:Well, in this particular group, too, like they're just sort of hunting people who speak up. Right. Which is such a bad method because like, OK, so what are we supposed to do? Yeah. Like really, you have to look at people who aren't speaking up, who would otherwise be speaking up, like Lisa Rinna. And the Portia thing is so crazy that people think Ron was a traitor because, yes, he did bring it up.

1:01:17Jackie Oshry:But then at the roundtable, she flubbed her words again. And that's really what turned a lot of people. So it was like, yes, Ron's provided the evidence that did happen. He was just doing what he was supposed to do. But a lot of people said Portia and voted for her because at that exact roundtable, she said we killed like she messed up again.

1:01:31Claudia Oshry:But they but we did kill Ian because they put coffins in his grave. And then the traitor sent him home like it was group effort. Yeah. Yeah. It's just like it wasn't all Ron. I agree. And it's like Portia was way more popular than Ron. Right. So.

1:01:49Alan Cumming:how could he have gotten her sent home when she had so much goodwill? I just feel like no one was on to Lisa. So she got kind of lazy.

1:01:55Jackie Oshry:And like the second there was any sort of heat on her, she just like sucks. Like she's being so kind of, it's like painful to watch. Yeah. She's just making that same Lisa right in her face. And it's just not compelling. Like, and you know what?

1:02:10Alan Cumming:She should have taken that Colton deal. But what can she, what can someone do once the suspicion's on them really? Unless she could have,

1:02:18Jackie Oshry:told everyone at the round table like you know colton is here for himself and he tried to make a deal with me he thinks i'm a traitor but i'm not except that really just confirms to people that colton is not a traitor yeah because i wondered like why wouldn't she tell everyone that makes colton look so bad and it makes her look like a team player like look he's trying to save himself but like but then i guess it pretty much confirms that like in backdoor rooms

1:02:43Claudia Oshry:he's not a not a traitor but sometimes they need to eliminate people who they know are faithfuls who are distracting to the game. Right. Who keep bringing up names and their sniffer is off. And if this person is very compelling that we're going to listen to them all the time and they keep giving us the wrong name, then they are getting in the way of the game. Just can't stand Colton. Oh, and then like traitors put out this statement

1:03:01Jackie Oshry:on their social media. Very Love Island USA. Very Love Island USA. Except Love Island USA was like kind of like responsible for a lot of the... Yeah. U.S. So they put out this like black and white statement just like about bullying. Who is... Who is like being bullied? I believe Colton. Because like this was the first week that like sort of like, you know, Demi from his season has been making a lot of TikToks. Like if you watch The Bachelor and I feel like so few people now like who are in reality or were watching reality back then. So not a lot of people know. I feel like a lot of people at the roundtables and stuff do not know that Colton has this like sordid past.

1:03:42Jackie Oshry:So this week was like the first time he like was acting really creepy. and people are like, well, if you want to know his lore about being creepy. So they posted this statement. We are committed to making our cast feel safe, respected, and supported. On screen and off. The cast of the traitors are real people, and what happens in the game should never lead to cyberbullying or harassment. There's a difference between discussing a show and targeting individuals, so let's not ruin the passion for this show with unwarranted negativity and personal attacks. We appreciate your support. And I have to assume that means, is regarded to Colton, right?

1:04:10Claudia Oshry:Yeah, I don't really know who else is getting heat. Michael Rappaport was, they didn't write that statement when New York Magazine said, Michael Rappaport ruining traitors.

1:04:18Alan Cumming:Those things are always so full of shit to me. It's so performative, transparent, and it's like, well, if you really cared about bullying and harassment, you wouldn't have cast a harasser. Right.

1:04:27Claudia Oshry:So I don't know what they could... Plus, I've been seeing a lot that the edit, the way the show is manipulated in so many ways is crazy. When they're filming the show, they're incredibly manipulated. They film so many things so many times, one, to keep the scent off of people, but they are literally in this crazy experiment. even playing spooky music before Alan comes out like they're manipulating the cast then they manipulate the edit to make it look like other things and then like we are just like piecing together stuff so I feel like they're most interested in like high entertainment value not like protecting people's mental health in a show that's literally like a stamp a psychological

1:05:02Alan Cumming:yeah you know I hate when shows do this like these are the same thing to love island they're

1:05:07Claudia Oshry:fucking with those people so bad they're keeping people on who are mentally unstable they're

1:05:10Jackie Oshry:letting like instagram drama penetrate they literally kicked out sierra for like an old instagram post they like they feed into a lot of that internet drama and then they're like

1:05:19Claudia Oshry:stop bullying no and like they keep people on they manipulate things to keep people on who are having a hard time and acting crazy because they want the crazy and then we're like that person's crazy and they're like don't call them crazy and it's like well you left the crazy person on and you cast them in the first place you're making them crazy yeah no totally i hate when when um

1:05:36Alan Cumming:shows do that just like be do be the show that you said you are like if you really care about

1:05:42Jackie Oshry:the show like implement changes to protect but you don't actually care so like stop yelling at us right we're just watching your show acting to what you put out right right in a crazy way right

1:05:52Alan Cumming:um and by that i didn't bully or harass anyone no and like if we're gonna start accusing people of harassing let's just start with the man who has a restraining order against his ex-girlfriend like please it's crazy she never talks about it she must be fucking traumatized like we everybody

1:06:07Jackie Oshry:talks about like the car uh the tracker the tracker which in and of itself is a crazy thing to do to your ex-girlfriend like you put a tracker on her vehicle um but he was like textually assaulting like all of her family members like it was like this thing this really traumatic thing her and her family went through she removed herself from public life after that and like literally is married like nobody knows anything she her sister's famous now like she does not mess with him it must have been the most traumatizing thing oh and all the while he's like coming out as gay it was it must have been the most confusing weird thing um so yeah she wasn't like quite literally never seen again yeah it must have been worse than we even imagined like

1:06:47Alan Cumming:like we and then the fact that she doesn't like chime in now like you know with this

1:06:51Jackie Oshry:anyone else would be like with a shady instagram like no she wants no part of this that's how you

1:06:57Alan Cumming:know he's like really scary and crazy yeah so yeah please save the the do you think lisa rinda

1:07:03Claudia Oshry:will kill with her brooch i saw a good theory i feel like theory but it's not a spoiler it's like i know what dorinda because one dorinda is like sort of the backup that colton has and being like lisa rinda is not usually like this yes and i feel like she could easily get dorinda to touch her brooch be like oh my god feel my brooch yes but how would they just like who could they blame

1:07:24Alan Cumming:that on being like who would want to kill Dorinda right now besides Rena she was beefing with Ron but Ron's gone yeah it could just be like a traceless killing like if she killed Eric

1:07:33Claudia Oshry:yeah yeah maybe because why would it's not traceless why would a housewife maybe they

1:07:38Alan Cumming:look like they're framing Dorinda framing Lisa yeah it's not a perfect theory but she really

1:07:47Jackie Oshry:needs to get rid of someone it can't be Colton it could be Colton because if say she was a faithful

1:07:55Claudia Oshry:and they get rid of Colton. Well, Faithful wouldn't get rid, a traitor wouldn't get rid of Colton because he's so good at like missing the mark. But it would be a great way to then put, to frame Lisa Rinna. And then everyone would be - She could say I'm being framed. Yeah.

1:08:09Jackie Oshry:Which is a,

1:08:10Alan Cumming:and then at least she like gets rid of Colton. Yeah. Which is like, yeah. Before he successfully takes her down when she's about to. Or he gets a shield. Because he said,

1:08:18Claudia Oshry:I'll get a shield every time you won't be able to kill me. But if they don't kill him now, they're never going to kill him because we'll always lead back to Lisa Rinna.

1:08:24Jackie Oshry:Yeah.

1:08:24Claudia Oshry:And I feel like not killing him is confirmation that it's Lisa Rinna. That is true. Like no one's really thinking two steps ahead. Yeah. And it's not even about thinking two steps ahead. It's about like just being able to successfully argue your point and like make them believe that, of course, they wouldn't. They're going to kill. They kill Colton to now you guys will all target me. Like you could really like manipulate. You could spin it either way.

1:08:46Jackie Oshry:You're not like the bride. Yeah, because if everybody thinks Lisa's a traitor and she's not, the traitors would kill Colton because it makes Lisa look like the traitor. So she could say that too. Yeah, it's just about being a good arguer and a good verbal manipulator, of which Lisa is not.

1:09:00Alan Cumming:Yeah. And Colton is. Right. Ron is. They got to get rid of Colton.

1:09:06Claudia Oshry:Ron was. Yeah. Rob and Candace are doing great. I feel like, has a trade-over won? I don't know.

1:09:15Alan Cumming:I feel like it's really hard.

1:09:16Claudia Oshry:I would love to see it because none of the faithfuls who are still there, unless Colton wins, and it would be well-earned. aside from his reasons we don't like him he would have earned that win no one everyone else is just coasting by mark ballas when he should win i feel like mark ballas like i feel like he's a big

1:09:29Jackie Oshry:personality and he might be getting like cut out because where is he but like you know who's giving quite literally nothing maura yeah she's been like wholly disappointing except that like her

1:09:37Claudia Oshry:and rob have to run away well i feel like if they fall in love and then he's a traitor like it might make for interesting tv down the line i love that but so far she's not giving much but i'll hold out hope for because she has a big personality but like tara and johnny and jam jam and steven coletti even though he seems like a stand-up guy that was nice yeah um i don't want to see one of them win

1:09:56Alan Cumming:they didn't earn anything agreed they're just like being group think followers who were just

1:10:00Claudia Oshry:the last man standing yeah yeah and mark ballast i'll put him in that category too yeah even natalie

1:10:05Alan Cumming:a little bit yes natalie that was a crazy outfit she was wearing and also christine christine yeah

1:10:11Jackie Oshry:like she she's smart i just get the vibe that she's like a smart person and she's just not being smart.

1:10:16Alan Cumming:Yeah. It's group think. She's just getting swayed by the group majority rules. She's just

1:10:19Claudia Oshry:another number and I don't want to see one of those people win because it's not earned. They're not taking risks. And they're not like critically thinking. Yeah. Yeah.

1:10:29Jackie Oshry:Okay. Well that's your Traders Recap. That was your show. Anything else we need to chat about before we go? No I think that's all and if we do we could talk about it tomorrow. Such an amazing thing we have here.

1:10:37Claudia Oshry:It's so great about the toast.

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