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The Toast Podcast: Episode Notes
Episode Title
Another Day Without Keeping Up With Sports: Thursday, January 9th, 2025
Hosts
- Jackie Oshry - [@JackieOshry](https://twitter.com/JackieOshry)
- Claudia Oshry - [@girlwithnojob](https://twitter.com/girlwithnojob)
Episode Overview In this episode, Jackie and Claudia dive into the latest celebrity news, discuss personal anecdotes, and reflect on the state of affairs in Hollywood and beyond.
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Key Topics Covered
- Celebrity News
Jessica Alba and Cash Warren
- Separation Announcement: Jessica Alba and Cash Warren are separating after 16 years of marriage.
- Discussion Points:
- Alba's successful business career with her company, Honest.
- Insights into the potential financial implications of their divorce.
Khloe Kardashian's New Podcast
- Launch: Khloe Kardashian's podcast, *Khloe in Wonderland*, featuring Scott Disick.
- Content Format: A talk show style where Khloe interviews notable figures.
- Discussion Highlights: Potential for the podcast to fill a gap left by past celebrity talk shows.
Allison Holker's Book Criticism
- Response to Backlash: Allison Holker discusses the intention behind her upcoming book about her late husband, Stephen 'tWitch' Boss.
- Criticism:
- Concerns from Boss's family and social media regarding the portrayal of his struggles.
School of Rock Reunion
- Wedding Announcement: Cast members from *School of Rock*, Angelo Masagli and Caitlin Hale, got married 22 years after meeting during the film's production.
- Reflections: Discussion on the nostalgia and enduring connections among child actors.
Diddy's Docuseries
- New Investigation: A docuseries titled *The Fall of Diddy* will explore allegations of sexual misconduct against Sean 'Diddy' Combs.
- Implications: Concerns over how media representation influences public perception and potential legal outcomes.
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Personal Anecdotes and Discussions
- Junior Year Reflections: Jackie and Claudia engage in a fun debate about their high school experiences, likening Thursday to the end of junior year.
- Dining Experiences: Jackie discusses her recent dinner outing and the intricacies of restaurant dining preferences and food choices.
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Key Takeaways
- Celebrity Relationships: Long-standing relationships in Hollywood are often scrutinized, and their endings can signal greater shifts in public interest and sentiment.
- Cultural Commentary: The hosts emphasize the importance of healthy conversations around mental health and public portrayal of individuals in the media.
- Reflection on Fame: The dynamic between maintaining celebrity status and navigating personal tragedies is a recurring theme in discussions around public figures.
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Closing Remarks
- Jackie and Claudia encourage listeners to stay informed about the intricacies of celebrity culture while maintaining a light-hearted view of personal anecdotes and experiences.
Links
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Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00Good morning, millennials. Welcome back to the toast and happy Thursday. Congrats to all the grads for graduating the week. We have made it to the latter half of the week. The week is almost over. Congratulations. Oh, what? I'm sorry. Congratulating. No, no. What was that? Congratulating for graduating Wednesday. I can't say you've graduated the week yet. That's like being in the end of your sophomore year and saying like, I've graduated. This is what it is. You haven't graduated per se, but you're on your way to the ceremony. No, it's the beginning of your junior year. I graduated. No, it's not the beginning of your junior year because it's four years and it's five days.
0:38I would say you're at the end of your junior year. How about that? Okay. Because Friday is definitely the senior year. 100%. So I guess that would make Thursday like the end of junior year because it's five to four ratio. Which is also a good feeling. I feel like junior year in high school and in college. Have you gotten into college yet? like no junior year in high school and you don't get to college in junior year you do senior year but have you you're taking your year is a hard year so the end of junior year honestly like you've graduated from junior year it's true like the toughest is behind you and that's kind of very thursday energy 100 okay glad we figured that out so happy thursday everyone welcome back it feels like the end of junior year it does what what's everyone doing this summer what were you like your junior year let's talk high school we're talking high school dark times my friend yeah that was a rough time in my life because like we had just moved our father passed my junior year so i was really yikes i don't think that's true our sophomore year actually no yeah because i was a freshman so what we were two grades we were two grades apart yeah but like sophomore and junior year are really a blur for me because it was like both hard years um so i'm just like struggling to like stay afloat junior year yeah yeah yeah however senior year like things definitely got brighter like I lost a little weight always helps always helps a bad situation no actually like I'm I'm noticing from the time like before we took winter break to the time after winter break like I really have significantly in my opinion changed like being on camera every day like I can't even watch our clips like I know it's all happening it's all good but like I'm definitely like fat now and I've had that again too which is like even more complex well a number of things to say like Like one, at least you have an excuse.
2:24Like I look different from winter break and it's like just inflammation as they stay. I've started taking turmeric every day. That's how desperate I am. You feel different, but you don't look different. Well, I would have said, oh, thanks, Turdy. That's really sweet. Except I weighed myself this morning and the numbers don't lie. The girls are climbing. However, I'm doing everything right. I'm doing my Sakara. I'm drinking my water. I'm having my protein shakes. Like I'm staying active. Like it's not going to change in three days. So like you just have to be consistent about it. I shouldn't have even weighed myself because it like brought morale morale down when like I was feeling a little less inflamed I was something exciting even like if you're not actively like seeing any results getting on the the train I'm on the path I'm on the right path I'm doing everything I should be doing I'm really sticking to like my resolutions no matter how many times I have to pee during the day this is my first cup of coffee of the day usually I'm almost done with my second so we're practicing better habits and now we just now we wait we got to put in the work it doesn't happen overnight I feel Like everyone just thinks, oh, I had a good day.
3:22Yeah. If only it were that. I got to live this way for a while. So at least I'm on the train, as you said. I went out to dinner last night, took one of my favorite Italian spots with Ben and his parents. And, you know, when I recommend a restaurant, like I take it, I don't really, I'm not like a restaurant recommender. Do you know what I mean? No. I do. Neither am I. And so all week everybody was like, where should we go? Where should we go? And everybody defers to me because like, you know, I made everybody eat at six o 'clock and I'm very particular. So they were like, where does Trudy want to go?
3:48Where does Trudy want to go? So I decided, you know, on this place, and it's a place that I like, and it's actually a place that I love. And I just felt like Ben was committed to disliking it. Do you know what I mean? Because tell me who orders this. And of course he didn't like it. He ordered the artichoke and pistachio ravioli. Like, what? That is something that you order for the table to try. That's no one's main dish. That's like, oh, that sounds interesting. Like, let's all have a bite and try that. That's not a meal. No, Ben and his dad split two different raviolis. Okay. Okay, what was the other one?
4:22They're both ravioli. Okay, but was the other one like sauce and cheese? No, it was white. It looked like an Alfredo. It's just crazy to have two raviolis, which raviolis, like, it's a risk. I just feel like Ben shouldn't be eating Alfredo. Like, I know he's not allergic, but he should treat it as if he is. Do you not know Ben's chicken Alfredo story? I do, and that's why he should never eat Alfredo again. He's not allergic. He just had like a really bad reaction and like he should treat Alfredo as if he's allergic. It's actually a really good point. I treat Alfredo as if I'm allergic. One, because I think it's disgusting.
4:53And two, the sheer image of it, even the word reminds me of that Ben story and I immediately lose my appetite. It's kind of an appetite suppressing. I don't do creamy white. I don't do creamy white. Jackie, I said that at dinner last night. Ben was like, try this ravioli. You might like it. I said like white sauce in me. Creamy. Yeah. I said cream based sauce. We are not simpatico with one another. I don't do like a white clam chowder. I don't add that like disgusting mushroom can into my cream of mushroom. Like I don't do white creamy. I do red creamy. I love red creamy. I don't do white creamy.
5:28No, both of Ben's raviolis that showed up were white creamy based. And so like when the meal was done, like actually everybody liked the restaurant, which made me feel good. But Ben was like, it was, yeah. And I'm like, well, if I went to a restaurant and ordered the worst thing on the menu, I also would think it's okay. Like, why can't you just be normal? Like, everybody got normal things. Like, I got a salmon, pizza. Like, it's like a Serafina type of cuisine. So, like, modern, you know, Italian. Why don't you get, like, a pasta, a fish, like a normal fucking person? Yeah, you can't judge the restaurant based on their special.
5:57It wasn't even a special. It was just, like, a crazy-ass dish. Even though I think some people say that you should judge a restaurant based on their special. But that wouldn't make sense to me. And also, like, not me. Like, I'm a consistent, like, regular. three things on the menu sort of girl. I'm judging by the Caesar salad and the salmon and the French fries. Fun fact about me, I have never, and I want to say that confidently, probably will never in my life order off of the specials menu. No, same. It does not apply to me. And actually in my award-winning comedy special, I had a whole bit about this because it's so awkward when they come over and tell you.
6:30Like they come over, and I want to be rude. I'm just going to be like, seriously, don't waste your breath. Like there should be a section or like a placard you could put up like reserved or it's like not interested in specials, knows what she's ordering. always gets the same thing. And like even Ben, who's really experimental, so many of the times, like 75 % of the specials we can't eat because it's like pork or shellfish. So I kind of, I never want to be rude, but I just want to put my hand up and be like, seriously, don't bother. Like save your breath. It's a lot of work for them to like memorize all that shit.
6:55Like seriously, scram. Like I don't know where to look. Yeah. And every now and then they say, do you want to hear the specials? And I think that we should embrace that more in restaurant culture because no, I don't. Yeah. And I know you don't want to tell me either. What if like that night, this special is like chicken nuggets and french fries? But it's like the thing is like, what if what? But it's not. I know. You know? I know. I always am like, mmm, yummy. Oh my God. And you always want to engage. The surf and turf. Yum. It's so rude. When people are like scrolling on their phones or like not listening, it's so rude.
7:29So even though there is seriously not, you couldn't pay me to order one singular thing. I'm listening so intently. I'm like, oh, is that grilled or baked? Like, who gives a fuck? I am so, because it's. How's that prepared? It's so rude not to. And I'm always like, oh, Ben, you would like that. Like, I'm just, it's kind of like a skit for me. It's SNL. Totally. I always say, my husband, oh my God, you love scallops. I was like, oh, write that down. Like, yeah, Ben, clock that. Like, I'm. Yeah. Nothing else looks good. And Ben, like, doesn't take it as seriously as I do. Like, the commitment to, like, engaging in the bit.
8:03It's just rude. I think that's just being a woman and being a people pleaser. It's so gendered. It's me being an empath. 1 ,000%. Yeah, I feel things so deeply. 1 ,000%. I don't know how we got here, but I had a great dinner. You went to a restaurant. Yeah. And I don't really love eating out these days, but I try to eat out like once a week because Dr. Fox told me to have salmon once a week, and I can't have salmon at home. Like it's just, it goes against everything I believe in. It's really pretty good. At home? Yeah. Yeah, if you've got a good fishmonger, like I'll send you the seasoning. I put a little spray with olive oil, the seasoning that I like.
8:39So good. No, for a multitude of reasons, I can't. You can cook it like to a crisp the way we like. No, I can't. I know the smell in your house is probably the reason why. The smell is huge. And also these days I'm actually trying to be a really good neighbor because I have big plans for the rest of the year in terms of like not being a good neighbor because I refuse to bring a stroller into my house. Like the hallway will be my own personal stroller garage. And so I've really been nice. You've got to get your karma up. Yes, and my next-door neighbors have two wiener dog puppies that are seriously, like, I could hear them barking in my sleep.
9:08I haven't said a word. Like, I am going to be such a delight. Yeah. Because also, like, the room that I think will be the baby's room, like, pushes right up against, I think, their master bedroom. Right, they'll be hearing. There'll be a lot of noise. If I start cooking salmon, that's, like, a demerit in my column when I'm trying to get gold stars with the neighbors. Oh, speaking of gold stars, is the School of Rock story a story today? It is. Okay, good, good, good. It is a story. Oh, not a story, but need to talk about like, oh my God, me and Ben, when we both woke up, we were glued to our phones.
9:33Like overnight, so much bad news and like so much crazy footage coming out of LA and the California wildfire. So I don't know, like it seems like there's no end in sight. And I think that they were making a lot of progress yesterday. And then overnight, new fires in Hollywood Hills, which is like where, you know, a lot of people live. It's like a lot of high rise buildings, a lot of houses, was engulfed in flames. So it seriously never ends. it's a shit show watching it's so sad it's like the only thing on my phone no I think the last thing I saw I don't know how recent was but it's like zero percent contained uh because like the winds are so strong they can't fight it from the sky which they need to do for a fire like this the Santa Ana winds but it's like it's so sad and heartbreaking and agreed I'm like glued to my phone and it's everything that I'm seeing but it's also so frustrating because you're seeing like how many things have gone wrong and how unprepared the city was when like this is the big thing that they have to worry about.
10:28And I just feel so bad for the people that live there and how frustrated and heartbroken they are when a lot of this was preventable. Not the entire thing as we see this happens often, but the scale that it's reached, the level of unpreparedness, the budget cuts for the fire department, no water in the hydrants. Your biggest threat to your city is fires and there's no water in the reservoir for the hydrants. It's just, it's actually disgraceful. It's negligent. It's criminally negligent. Like seriously, when all this is said and done like investigation um I feel really obviously I think a lot of people are having a hard time you know empathizing because you look at LA Hollywood and you're like oh it's just rich people and it's actually really not especially like if you look at just the suburbs of the Palisades that have been completely wiped out it's just regular people and it's regular you know there are poor areas there are rich areas there are people who have lost fire insurance like it's really devastating and it's not just like celebrities who can build their houses back and Even people who can build their houses back, like that's years of memories and your family, like it's just devastating.
11:28And there's so many different things to think about. Like then you think about like, you know, all the forestation and all the animals like fleeing with nowhere to go. It's just, it literally is, it's too sad to even think about. It's, it's biblical, like the sky. It's so, I don't even know what the right word is. and I think at this point there's like really no one in that area who's not affected by it because it just keeps growing and going into places where they don't experience fires right so a lot of celebrities have already lost their houses um yeah there's like a running list of like notable people who have lost houses but it's beyond that it's like thousands of just also regular regular right right right but as we talk about celebrities like that's really what's going on with celebrities celebrities they're also like evacuating they're evacuating raising money there's not a lot of like, you know, actually the stories aren't terrible today.
12:18It's crazy to me that people are raising money for like LA public services because they need money when like LA, they pay the highest taxes in the country. No, I know. Where is the money? No, like where is the money? No, I know. And it makes you like, so, and the situations like this, like people really like bad faith actors take advantage of like people who are just wanting to, people who live here, like who want to donate and send money for meals. And it gets so, um, it's so corrupt. They're already looting and stealing from people who have evacuated their homes. I've seen videos of people setting fires.
12:48No, and that's, by the way, someone was just actually telling me about this documentary about the devastation of Hurricane Katrina and how it literally, half the devastation came in the days after. It was, there was no power. It was lawlessness. And it was like the most, what's the movie? The Purge. But like it was really like crime beyond, the most violent crime you could think of. Like it's like the darkest days in history. People don't even talk about that when they talk about Katrina because they just talk about like the Katrina. yeah and so it's something that happens during like sort of chaotic times and it's fucking disgraceful it's the absolute worst of humanity and it's it's like embarrassing to even be the same species as these people it's so true so like for people who are still in their homes who haven't evacuated who have lost power it's so scary it's just on so many different angles and levels like it's just a horrible situation it's so frustrating and it didn't need to be this bad it didn't need to be this bad it's so true and so everyone I'm seeing like so many celebrities is like speaking out who are mad if i lived in l.a like i'd be fucking mad too i get it yeah look at me and my congestion tax like nothing's even happening to me i'm fine right so it's frustrating and it's it's and it's so direct right because like these budget cuts just they happen someone made that happen like it's very accountability we don't have to go searching like who could it be like it's the mayor and the governor right right right and the people that they put in place like incompetence it's disgraceful incompetent at best nefarious at worst criminally negligent that's kind of that's kind of my phrase of the day it's a good one it is and I don't know where I pulled it out of I just like I don't feel like I don't think I've ever used it before I must have seen somebody else like raging about it on Instagram and copied it right that's okay you're getting the word out the stories today are good they're pretty good um I think we'll have fun with them yeah it's important to have fun it is important to have fun so I feel good about that if you want to get into them yeah I guess we could yeah time flies I can't believe like I feel like we just sat down but yeah no it's time that's so us except I will say the new episode of the redheads came out that's the other new big news of the day huge really great episode the book is like a really good book and um I think a lot of people really enjoyed it and we will like ruin it for you and like poke so many holes in the book yeah um but that's what we do that is also kind of speaking of big episodes that came out jackie and i um released a new episode on our patreon last night a video and audio episode we haven't done like a q a in a while and there were so many questions like wide ranging from like a lot of people freaking out about terny's maternity leave to just like random influencer like type stuff so um we recorded a an episode it's out now so if you're looking for more content to get you to graduation day check that out at patreon.com slash the toast that was a good episode like a state of the union that's what like how i think of the general Q &As.
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19:04Yeah. I guess. Yeah. Our first story, not to make everything about us, but it is because yesterday Claudia predicted that celebrity breakups come in threes and the third one dropped right after we recorded. Kind of a big one too. Yeah. Probably the biggest of the three objectively, but not. Traditional celebrity. Like for the world, this is the biggest one, but not for you and I. What would you say is the biggest one for you and I, Paige and Craig? Yeah, of course. But actually, this is kind of on par with Kaya and Austin, just like level of celebrity-wise. But this was like a Hollywood marriage that I think people really, they were like the exception to the cliche of Hollywood marriages.
19:38So that's why it's particularly shocking. Yeah, so Jessica Alba, we should actually say who it is. Yeah, they know. As we continue to allude to it, Jessica Alba and her husband, Cash Warren, are separating after 16 years of marriage. Now, I just want to say like 16-year marriage is a success. Agreed. In my books, they have three daughters together, three kids, two daughters, one son, in case anyone was curious. But TMZ has reported that the two are nearing a divorce after 16 years of marriage. This is the report that they have split. I don't think this would come out of nowhere. I believe this to be true.
20:10As do I, especially when TMZ reports something legal, like they're always in the courthouse, like it's, they've got the paperwork. Now, this is interesting for a multitude of reasons. One, because it was one of these Hollywood success stories that you just didn't even think about so much anymore. but also because Jessica Alba while she is like a very successful actress I would argue she's a more successful businesswoman and her baby company Honest I believe reached a billion dollar valuation a little while ago so this is like a big divorce in terms of money too we were just talking about how like you know J-Lo and Ben really amicably settled their divorce because if you think about it they really are probably worth equal amounts um I wouldn't say the same for Jessica Alba and her man and that's where it gets tricky right because who is he in this world right cash warren job they met while she was um in a movie fantastic four he was the director's assistant yeah he's a producer now so like i said different tax brackets yeah very much so yeah and i'm sure he's been holding it down at home i mean that's value i'm sorry it is but yeah this will be an a big divorce in terms of money.
21:18Yeah. And I feel like it's going to be one of those, you know, she pays a big settlement, but then also like alimony and child support. So I think she's in for a, he's in for a big payday. Yeah. And you know, nothing makes me more sick than a man taking money from a woman, like in a divorce. When it's a woman, it's like get every, like literally scrape any, every penny you possibly can. If it's a man, when like the woman makes more money and he comes after her for like alimony, child support. There's like a thing like quality of life, like where like usually your quality of life shouldn't go down significantly.
21:52So like your part, yeah, it's really crazy. I don't know, get a job. Yeah, correct. Settlements, like that makes me physically ill. By the way, I would never say that to a woman. Like when a housewife has to go from like her mansion to an apartment, give her more. It's absolutely devastating. It's soul crushing. You hate to see it. And that's because I know if a woman is in a relationship and she's not providing financially like I know she's providing other things that are of equal value whether it's children whether it's homemaking whether it's sex like whatever it is I just know she's making up for it if I just want to say like and children is like it's huge up all the like huge all the way up here of course there's other things that she can do as well but like to give someone children like that is a full-time job and I know she empowers the man to make that money he wouldn't be a behind every great man is a strong woman and I know when it's the opposite it and like a man doesn't provide financially not only does he do none of those things he actually drains the woman and her ability to make even more money so i feel sick maybe he'll do the decent thing and say like you know i'm all good but i just like who would he wouldn't so this is devastating it's adele you know it's adele remember when she gave him 70 million dollars however like that was a couple years one small child like this is 16 years three daughters who are gonna have to like you know go back and forth that's even worse that it was only a couple of years and he got 70 million yeah no that's worse that's what I'm saying this isn't as bad to me it's true because it's like a real family yeah he gave her a lot of love over the years but I'm actually just surprised that they fell out of love I saw like rumors or that they had trouble keeping the spark like I'm sorry it's 16 years like it's not about the fucking spark not only that but like if you're getting divorced yeah obviously you have no spark like I hate when people say like obvious things no but it's like you're not getting divorced because spark no everything didn't work out but they still have so much spark what uh anyways i'm sure like they'll start to share more but also like with the fires going on um yes i don't think i wonder if like the timing of the the announcement sort of is intentional just to keep it like minimize it not the main story yeah right i guess so well this is sad you hate to see like a successful Hollywood marriage end.
24:06In a family. Because they are so infrequent. But I'll have to see how I feel once I read the divorce settlement, you know? Am I still sad? Yeah. Yeah. Our next story, some big podcast news that I feel like we haven't covered in full. But Khloe Kardashian has launched a podcast in partnership with X and, not to make it about us, Dear Media. A thousand percent. So her show is called Khloe in Wonderland. And episodes will premiere on X. And then the next day they're available anywhere you get your podcast distributed by our swirlies at Dear Media. And the first episode dropped and it is with Scott.
24:40But like she's going I feel like over the years like she's done, you know, of course, Chloe after dark. Like cocktails with Chloe. Cocktails with Chloe always has like a little show here and there. But she's going like all in on podcasting now sitting down with people in her life. Scott, I think is a good first guest. But also actually, I think it will be like what if I when I listen, like it will probably be good conversation. Yeah, I think it's going to be one of those shows that you tune in based on the guest. Because it's not really about Khloe. It's an interview show. So the guests that have been lined up for this season and already announced are like Jay Shetty, Tony Robbins.
25:10Now I'm just thinking about it because Mel Robbins is doing everybody's podcast. I don't even know who that is. Is that Tony's wife? That's what I was just about to ask you because they both do like mantras and shit. There's no way. Tony Mel Robbins. Or like daughter? I just feel like Tony Robbins. No, Mel Robbins has actually criticized Tony Robbins' quotes. that doesn't mean she's not his wife yeah it's so true let's say no they're obviously not married and i just feel like when i imagine tony robbins wife like she's not like a girl boss ceo they're not related no definitely not tony robbins would never let a girl boss ceo into his bed are you crazy right so what there's two people with last name robbins no but they also like do the same thing it's weird yeah that is weird it's probably frustrating imagine how they feel yeah for like their seo results yeah wellness robbins wellness robbins okay back to chloe's podcast i'm really excited for her because she is a great personality and that's you know when you strip it down that's why she's so beloved and why she was always beloved back in the days because of her personality inside so podcasting is a great medium for her I love that she's like doing it with X, doing video, of course, because we want to see the girls.
26:30Of course. And I like that her first guest was Scott because I think they have such an interesting relationship and dynamic. So it'll be for like, you know, for entertainment purposes, it'll be like interesting to watch. But also like he's from her Kardashian universe, but he is a little bit removed from it. So I think it's actually a great first guest. I think that this will be the type of show that like I care about based on the guest, which is a lot of interview shows. Like sometimes you care and sometimes you don't. I do want her to use it a little bit more like for and about herself. Well, I guess each guest will ultimately like bring something out of her.
27:02I feel like I saw a clip where she's talking about how that therapist sold the story about her. So she must be talking maybe with someone about therapy. So I feel like she, it's not just like question, answer, question, answer. She's not a reporter journalist. Like these are conversations. So whoever she's talking to will like bring out something about Chloe. So Scott, they're talking about a couple of things, but he is talking about how he doesn't really like talk to anyone or do any press if it's not within the family like if it's not the show or if he's not like doing something with the girls because he just doesn't want like things being like misconstrued and then the family's like Scott what'd you do yeah I feel like they collectively as a family also got to a level where they didn't have to do press anymore to like sustain their fame and their fortune and I think for a lot of them that was an enormous relief I think Kim likes doing press I think some of the girls like doing it but I think for the most part like Chloe definitely doesn't I could see Scott not liking it, not wanting to get in trouble or like having things taken out of context.
27:53So once you don't have to do press anymore to like sustain your livelihood and your celebrity, I'm sure it's a joy to not do it. Yeah. Chloe, I think likes doing it the least. And I actually think doing a podcast, like kind of turns that on its head a bit because now she gets, she's in the driver's seat. She asks the questions. She only talks about things that she wants to talk about, but we still get to hear from her. I feel like when Facebook, um, like lost whatever, like their network was, Facebook Watch or whatever. And Red Table Talk went off the air. I do feel like, I don't know how popular the show was, but I know certain episodes were big cultural moments.
28:24I do feel like it left a little bit of a gap in the market for a talk show run by a celebrity that other celebrities can use as a safe place to address stuff. And I actually could see Khloe filling that gap a little bit. Because I think a lot of celebrities like her and trust her. And if you had a big scandal and you had a bunch of options, kind of how Olivia Jade went on um or jordan woods went on red table talk i could see like chloe becoming that i think that's jada a good comparison and like a good thing for her to strive towards yeah because like that show was actually really good it just sucks that it was on facebook and like nobody cared yeah but every now and then when they had these huge guests based on these like huge moments olivia jade jordan woods it was kind of fabulous and they also used it for their own drama which didn't appeal to me but they had a lot of family drama at the time with, you know, the entanglement, the, that rapper August.
29:14And they would use it as like a platform to clarify and talk. And Chloe, the Kardashians have always needed that. Like they remember when Kim went on that podcast and they choose like weird places to go when they need to explain stuff, um, things that they, you know, know are safe. Like remember when she finally talked about Balenciaga really briefly on that random podcast, like they have actually needed their own media outlet for a while. And it's been obvious that it should be a podcast and it should have happened a long time ago because I think they needed it more like over the last couple of years whether it was hosted by Chris or Chloe but but they have the show I guess the thing about the podcast but the show has not been real in a really long time like it has not been I guess but also by the time they address things on the show it's like we're kind of over it they do they haven't been able to sell for like the immediate yeah and I think this is good for that we had said that like the show should have had much faster turnaround and been a little bit more substantial we've been saying that for years and it never would so at this point it kind of just be it became like fiction almost like fun to watch pretty girls do yeah commercial like selling sunset exactly it wasn't real so I love this I hope it's successful and I hope she likes doing it because podcasting is a lot of work and I think a lot of people end up not liking it that's why there are so many failed podcasts like not only is it more work than you anticipated but it's not as rewarding as you would think and it's actually hard to keep an audience so if it's not even like doing that well like I understand why a lot of people start them and don't pick them back up so i hope she likes it yeah agreed they're also talking about how both of them like are not really dating until the their kids are older until each other and well they talked about the rumors and how they would never be honest with us they just can never do it which is such a shame why could they never do it in your opinion because i think courtney would actually at this point be like not only okay with it i think she might encourage it like his kids are her nieces and nephews but like so i don't know no it's i hear you it would be like very non-traditional i just i also think i actually think they could if they really fell in love but they just like it's like a brother and sister yeah yeah i guess it's like a brother and sister some of us are just still we're still there at the restaurant yeah so that drops today enjoy so that's the first episode first episode with Scott that the podcast has premiered so she's off to the races go Chloe not crazy about the title I think it's cute and she beat keeping up with sports to the punch of launching a podcast no I forgot to tell you I sent you a clip keeping up you sent me a clip but like there wasn't an episode Claudia they have an Instagram page they had you sent me the clip I went to their page it was the only clip okay but But they had to have filmed something.
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31:54I just don't know why it's so hard for them. Keeping up with sports. I'm just searching the podcast app. Yeah. I think I searched the podcast. Like, I was ready. I was sat. And you don't think that. Keaton Jenner. Oh, yeah. No, the sizzle reel came out March 2024. It's been a year. The reviews are so funny. What are they doing? since the intro, I have heard nothing further. When are episodes coming? That's so funny. I should follow it so that when the episode drops, I'll be the first to know. I don't know if it's like a when the episode drops. I think it's more of like if the episode drops. You don't think for the last year like they've been working on the perfect first episode?
32:41No. Like. No, I don't. I don't. I think she needs to have Lamar on. She's already beating Lamar. That's good. are you ready for our next story a bit of an update from yesterday's story about it's a third story right this is our third story yes so twitch's ex-wife allison holker is addressing all of the criticism that she's received and saying that she believes twitch would choose to share his story to help others so um she has shared a statement on her instagram after facing criticism from her late husband's loved ones and from social media ahead of the book's release on february 4th she said to fans of Stephen and our family and friends, I want to be clear that my only intention in writing the book is to share my own story as well as part of my life with Stephen to help other people.
33:26Just like you, I never really knew what happened and even as I'm trying to put the pieces together, I will never really know. If you decide to read the book, hopefully you'll see my intention is to celebrate the love and life I shared with Stephen and our three beautiful children and also the more complex aspects of both of our lives. I hope that by sharing our full story, maybe I can help someone else who might see themselves or a loved one in Stephen and sharing, I hope maybe they catch some of the red flags that I missed before it's too late. Okay. I, again, I'm coming into this saga with really no preconceived notions of any of them.
33:58And my inclination is like, if everybody's saying you're something, you're something. Do you know what I mean? Like all of former friends, family members, coworkers, like the amount of people who keep, it's almost like someone was waiting for someone to say something. And then the first person said something and everybody felt like it was kind of like a green light to speak their minds and the amount of people like the sheer volume of it I find powerful I do yeah I agree um you know she's very much focusing on this is her story this is her truth and while that might be the case if you sit down and do an interview and the takeaway from the headlines is all about your husband's addiction like I don't know how that's telling your story yeah and then also when she comes at it with like I'm helping the next person it's like hard to say you know it is just the the thing that I struggle with is like we really don't know whether this person would want his addiction out there or not and actually there are members of his family and friends who say there wasn't even an addiction but let's say that there is right yeah there's no way to know whether he would want it out there or not so for her to just sort of like make this decision to publicize it without speaking to other people involved like his mother and his brother, that gives me bad faith energy.
35:14Yeah, it's true. It's something that impacts everyone. And so to not even have the conversation to get the approval of his family, it feels what people are, you know, what that woman Courtney is saying, it's like tacky and tasteless. It does. Yeah, and so much time has passed. People like weren't really, you know, wondering. It's not like there's been myriad documentaries. What happened? Like you could have just like let him rest in peace. It's true. And instead now his name is literally being dragged through the news, like in the messiest possible way. It could not be messier. Not only as an addict, but like family drama.
35:48His kids, he has kids. Like it's just, it was clean and now it's messy. And was there a need for that? But also maybe she's got bills to pay. Well, that's the other thing. So I think that we can point to other examples of people who have actually like gotten a lot of fame after loss. And it's this weird line to walk, right? because a lot of people followed your story. Like Amanda Kloots. Yeah. When her husband died of COVID, that was like the saddest saga like everybody was following. And it oddly like made her a star. You know, she went on to host the talk and she's like a swirly now. Yeah. Whereas before she was like a fitness influencer.
36:25So it's definitely an odd trajectory to success and I don't think anybody wants it, but it sometimes happens when your story is as powerful as it is. And I think that Allison saw herself as like a bit of an Amanda Kloots. And I think that she got carried away. Yeah. Because the thing I actually really like about Amanda Kloots is like she's always remained really, she hasn't like leaned in heavily to like this weird version of fame that she has and like run away with it. I think like she, it's an awkward, weird place to be in and how you handled it, how you handle it will speak volumes of like how people receive you.
37:06and I just think these are two examples of people who handled it really differently. Yeah. However, I haven't been keeping up with Alison Holker for the last three years since Twitch passed away, so I don't know what she's been doing. Me neither, but I hear about her periodically, like, just when she talks about. Yeah. So that must be, like, it's tough when you get rewarded financially, fame-wise, for bringing up your tragedy. And then it's easy to get, like, kind of carried away and become, like, tasteless. I guess for the last few years, like, his family and friends have been watching it, like not saying anything just being like okay maybe that's not what i would do like that's weird okay and then the book and then his journal entry said he she's sharing like it's gotten too far yeah understood yeah so the book is coming though and that's the thing about books like when you announce it like it's by the time they've been printed by the time you announced it that was like the tommy fury book like poor timing he had to add like an addendum to the memoir he had written And being like, yeah, everything I wrote here is like no longer true.
38:03I made a mistake. By the time you announce it, whether there's backlash or anything, it's almost too late. I feel like that happened really to like Jamie Lynn Spears too. By the time she announced it. And also there was so much going on at the exact same time as Britney. It was like, we can't stop this train. Yes. But actually they changed the title of the book. Whose? Jamie Lynn Spears. Remember she announced her memoirs and it was a Britney lyric. And they're like, are you fucking kidding? And she changed it. Yeah I guess you could change a lyric because it's the cover And then also all of the drama You could change a title A lot of the drama from the book happened from the contents of the book So the book was published and then there's drama And the press, the press that she was doing too Yeah but like not before where it's like Wait can we not have the book come out anymore Yeah yeah Yikes, it's kind of a risk, it's a gamble Yeah Are you ready for our next story number four?
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41:14Get it, Jax. like a good neighbor state farm is there like a good neighbor state farm is there i feel like both of ours were particularly beautiful today i thought you're gonna say bad i was like okay watch yourself no i thought like i i heard something beautiful in mine and then yours as well i always hear something beautiful every time you open your mouth our next story some lovely news in the midst of all these breakups the school of rock child stars who met on the set of the movie are getting married. They got married, sorry, 22 years after meeting on the set of the movie. No, this is like actually too much to bear.
41:55Too much joy. Angelo Masagli and Caitlin Hale were just 10 years old when they met on the set of the movie. So Caitlin is the blonde, like sneaky brown noser with a hidden agenda. She sings memory all alone. Yeah, she's one of Summer's girls. That's Miranda's Cosgrove. She sings that. Yeah, no, but she's like one of her. her name is Marta in the movie she's a backup singer yeah and then Angelo is classic you guys know him he was security head of security he was like that really tall broad kid Frankie he looks exactly the same so does she yeah it's actually they all do I was able to recognize pretty much every single one of them that was there obviously notably missing was Miranda Cosgrove and Jack Black but he was on the set of a movie they said and he totally like reached out and commemorated it privately and like would have been there if he could have oh wait I love that I thought for sure like he wasn't even invited because of all of them like he's literally like a mega mega star how did they even get his address i don't know but nine cast members went to their wedding i saw everyone i saw zach i saw i'm not cool enough i saw the girl on the base chello you've got a base i love this story like seriously so much no same it's really cute they actually like reconnected later in life they didn't like start dating on the set of the movie that's good they both like in college in florida and connected went to lunch and then like there was something there was the start of something new that's like seriously so crazy and so cute the thing i can't get over is like when you look at pictures of like kids from high school i mean kids from like what were they they were in like the fifth grade what are they supposed to be last third grade no like probably like maybe no not middle school not middle school hold on i'm sure i could probably in the third grade they were 10 years old how old are you when you're it's like seriously there's no way to know hey siri what grade are you in when you're 10 years old.
43:45Sorry, I don't understand. Me neither. You're in fifth grade. No one does. Fifth. So where was I going with this point? Oh, you know, like someone you knew in fifth grade, like what they look like now is completely different. Like they're actually irrecognizable. The crazy thing was I haven't seen a picture of any of these people in years. They look exactly how they should look like they have the same face, but they're just grown up. It was freaky. It is. It's so crazy. They look, yeah, they look like they just grew. Like this movie, like I feel like sometimes I was just having this conversation with a friend.
44:17Like movies that you loved as a kid, like they really don't hold up. Which friend? Yeah, I have a lot of friends. They really don't stand the test of time. She was talking to a friend. They don't. They don't. And I actually remember, I've seen School of Rock like a bunch of times since I had first fallen in love with it. But actually, during COVID, one of Ben's friends was trying to celebrate his birthday, and there was nothing you could really do. But you remember how you used to be able to rent a movie theater? Because they couldn't sell tickets to a movie. So instead, I think it was$99 to rent a movie theater.
44:45So he rented a movie theater and invited 20 people. We all sat in this huge theater, and you could bring your own food and drinks, and you could choose your own movie. And he chose School of Rock. And let me tell you, that movie, if I was seeing it for the first time, I would have thought it was brilliant. Yeah. It is a classic, timeless piece of comedy. No, it is. It holds up. And the older you are, like, the more you understand. And just, like, it's so good. And then the ground it laid for so many celebrities. Like, obviously, that was a big moment for Miranda Cosgrove. Ned Stiebley is the creator of White Lotus.
45:20Sarah Silverman is his miserable girlfriend. Like, there are a lot of people. Joan Cusack. Yes. But I also, then in seeing this picture and sweating. Child stars that kind of went nowhere. But they also look like happy and thriving. They look well-adjusted. I actually think they all went on to lead completely normal lives with just this like fun fact about themselves. So I wonder like where they're, maybe just they petered out. So she is an OBGYN sonographer and he works as a music product council for TikTok. I don't know what that means. Music product council. Okay. So it sounds like they both went on to do things like their characters were going to do.
46:03Life invitating art. He was really into the industry of the music, music industry, sort of from afar. And she was, what did she do? She's an OBGYN. She was always a woman who supported other women. 1 ,000%. I could see it. She's very pretty. She looked beautiful on her wedding day. She's a sonographer. You should go see her. I think that they live in New Jersey. They got married in New Jersey. Oh, my God. Well, the girl who played the bass, she had the most Instagram stories. like she was filming the entire thing like the wedding looked so fun they were all at the same table like it was seriously too much it's kind of a good premise for a movie Claudia was just thinking about like that movie table 19 yeah yeah but they all get back together from like this movie that they shot as kids and like yeah yeah I like it I like it too maybe that's like the school of rock sequel like two of the classmates are getting married two things they need to never make a school of rock sequel like sequels ruin things they made it into a Broadway show and And that's fine.
46:56Like, just leave it alone. Two, when I was on my way to Florida, actually, I was, like, seriously going to faint in the back of this car. So I pulled over in some random town in New Jersey on my way to the airport. And I got pizza. And while I was driving through town, it was, like, this actually very cute, quaint town. There was, like, a music school, like, an after-school program in town called the School of Rock. And it had, like, the same exact logo. And they, like, do guitar lessons and drum lessons, like, for people in town. It was so cute. Oh, cute. I thought you were going to say that you passed by the Park Chateau Estate and Gardens in East Brunswick because that's where they got married.
47:27I didn't. I mean, I might have, but I don't know. So mazel tov to the happy couple. And thank you for sharing this joy with us. Yeah. Yeah. So if you want to be the teacher to me, well, baby, you just better forget it. Oh, and the original music from that movie was amazing, too. Rock got no reason. rock and rhyme you better get me to school on time so good yeah so good our fifth and final story it's our last story celebrates the best of the industry the industry at its best the school of rock and love our fifth story celebrates the worst because a new docuseries on the fall of Diddy is coming to investigation discovery on January 27th and 28th.
48:21It is called The Fall of Diddy and it will cover the sexual misconduct allegations against Diddy and is set to feature interviews from some of his former colleagues and employees as well as some of his accusers. So the press release states through these interviews and combined with a vast collection of archival footage, The Fall of Diddy paints a holistic picture of a mogul who was alleged to wielded his extensive power and influence to obscure for decades a pattern of abuse and violence that left an unprecedented amount of pain and suffering in his wake. Among those interviewed for the docuseries were Dee Woods, who was a member of Danity Kane, as well as several former employees who worked for the music mogul, including his former driver, who alleges that Combs once tried to bribe him.
49:04Also interviewed are two of his accusers, Rodney Lilrod Jones, who we've talked about like his sued against Diddy and Talia Graves both of whom have sued Diddy accusing him of sexual misconduct so obviously the Diddy story is huge right everyone's talking about it it's like the biggest story of last year and probably this year but something about a documentary that like really spells it out for people because you know we're all reading the headlines and not a lot of us are reading you know the entire lawsuit or the entire article so I think that if this documentary Sometimes documentaries come out and they don't make waves, but sometimes they start movements.
49:40Like Nickelodeon. Right. If it has that effect, I think it'll be really powerful. And I also think it'll be really damaging for his case. Because you have to think about people who watch that. They become jury members, you know? Yeah. Because I just watched Juror No. 2. I'm thinking a lot about juries. Oh, don't. I'm going to watch it, so don't spoil anything about it. Do you know what it's about? No, and I don't want to know. I didn't know either. And when I figured it out, I was like, are you kidding? it's really crazy um but i do think like jury members who have seen something like this like wouldn't be eligible for a jury because they would be coming in with biases but it influences like even if you haven't seen it like everybody's talking about it's every headline like it influences public opinion in a way or say in some way yeah i i do think like diddy will hopefully like receive the justice that he deserves but what like is a little frustrating about this case is like it's so much bigger than diddy there are so many people at every party there are so many he's trafficking people to whom to his powerful friends who are people whose names we might know who are we might be fans of we might be buying their products and they're horrible criminal people and like i know we need to know more of like below it wide open who worked with him who this is not something that one person does on his own no it's true like we know diddy is bad now and he's gonna get the justice he deserves like we have been no one's gonna go into a room alone with him no one's like just no one's advocating for diddy like right but now it's i mean that's exactly what happened with jeffrey epstein and we never got resolution and it's so frustrating and i imagine the two circles are connected you know because it's the same group of people like powerful influential people with money not just in hollywood but in politics and in business and world leaders like every prince andrew like every possible sect that you can think of so it is really frustrating and and that's not to discount like his the allegations against him and the justice that we seek to seek but it's so much bigger than that you're so right now and we shouldn't lose sight of the list so i hope that this documentary like names names yeah but the thing is like a network like id or netflix like nope you you put yourself uh oh my god sometimes words just don't come to me you make yourself a target like legally to make claims.
51:54They did it with the Nickelodeon one. Like they were telling, like they were naming names. Dan Schneider, even though there wasn't like a serious allegation against him. Like this was this pattern of behavior. It told a story. So yeah. And then also like when Drake Bell shared what happened to him, like he's naming names. Yeah. But that guy's already in jail. Brian Peck. Like, so he is, he was in jail. And then remember he got rehired by Disney after going to jail for like child stuff. Right. But where is he now? Is he dead? Did he die? It's feeling dead. Hopefully. I don't know. Like, it's a tough spot, I think, for someone to take on.
52:34Yeah. But I think that will make the difference of, like, how much impact this documentary has. Is it new information? Or are you just, like, packaging it together for someone who's not reading everything and doesn't really know what's happened? Because there have been, like, whispers about certain celebrities. And I think the only other actual accusation that was made was Jay-Z. Mm-hmm. which by the way, I was watching Beyonce's halftime performance, which I just really, like really, really enjoyed. I have like beautiful things to say. And as I was watching, I was like, oh my God, I totally forgot.
53:01Because I don't really think of her and like Jay-Z so much anymore. I feel like they kind of live several lives. But like that's literally her husband. Yeah. And like he was literally accused of like a 13-year-old. And it's just like, it's really crazy. Yeah. So we'll see if this blows the case wide open. Yeah. I just feel like we've like barely scratched the surface. and I'm not like so excited about just a surface scratch. Like there's a lot of bad nefarious behavior in this town. And like, do you want to do something about it or do not? Yeah. And I feel like there's actually so many similarities to Jeffrey Epstein because like now any picture Diddy has with a celebrity, it's like, look, look.
53:36And that happened a lot with like Ghislaine Maxwell. I don't care about a picture that anyone took. A lot of people went to Diddy parties and they were upstairs being normal, having, you know, doing cocaine and drinking champagne, not downstairs trafficking kids. Like, so anytime there's like a picture, it's like, look, he's bad. Same with Ghislaine Maxwell. They were like, look, how Roswell knew Ghislaine. Like, no, you just have a picture with these people. Yeah. So I think it's like, it's getting lost. And you're right. I totally even forgot about like the network behind him. Right. Like, and you need people to traffic too.
54:07It's not just him and himself. Behind every powerful trafficker, there's like a network of individuals making it happen. No, and a network of individuals who are his clients. Well, yes, of course. That was the craziest thing about like Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine. they're like arrested for human trafficking and and there's no one who did they try then it's like okay customers keep going yeah one step further follow the lead right but like these people are still in their own way protected yes it's just frustrating yes it really is it's a good point and it's also so crazy to think about the fact like p diddy like we keep talking about him he's like literally in jail love that yeah but it's just he's literally in jail yeah so crazy where he should be lock him up throw away the key that's our show good stories today yeah i thought so for sure little mix have you thought at all about who you're gonna make your queenie and weenie little mix i'm gonna make my queenie little mix i actually i actually have not thought at all about who i'm gonna make my queenie and weenie have you weirdly been thinking about it yeah and i come up with nothing interesting i gotta get my notebook out i should start nominating people like throughout the week like oh that was weenie behavior.
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