Auntie Body For Auntie Anne's: Wednesday, March 18th, 2026

8:54Jackie Oshry:A thousand percent And I saw one

8:56Claudia Oshry:I think I sent it to Zach Maybe to you It's called the Florida King There's like a company down here That makes huge beds Because a lot of people Like co-sleeping It's the new frontier And It's not even co-sleeping Like seriously The bed is not big enough For the two of us No the bed is not big enough For the family

9:09Jackie Oshry:Or just the two of us

9:10Claudia Oshry:We're always all of us In bed plus Bruno

9:12Jackie Oshry:Do it

9:13Claudia Oshry:Like we need a huge bed I need the bed

9:15Jackie Oshry:That Khloe Kardashian has Like that insanely large bed What's Alaskan I've never heard of that

9:20Claudia Oshry:Alaskan is what you think California king is California King is actually not much bigger It's just longer Alaskan is wider

9:28Jackie Oshry:And they sell them at what sorts of facilities?

9:32Claudia Oshry:Online you could order one

9:34Jackie Oshry:But I guess you can't be particular about the mattress type because there aren't a lot on the headboard What do you do? You have to have a custom made?

9:41Claudia Oshry:You could do custom. People get custom headboards anyway even if we're a king bed.

9:45Jackie Oshry:It seems like a big project Maybe one day when I find my forever home

9:48Claudia Oshry:But for the most important feature in your life

9:49Jackie Oshry:Yeah but like I bop around. I'm a renter two years here two years there like i can be bringing around my alaskan king bed i don't

9:55Claudia Oshry:think roadway has enough room actually no they do like if they're breaking down a king bed it's literally no different yeah i'm my alaskan king yeah i don't know if it'll fit in the service

10:02Jackie Oshry:elevator it will like it will definitely like dream like um mood board for the next five or ten years of my life like whenever i find wherever i'm gonna live i don't know where the hell like when i settle down and i have my forever apartment home whatever first purchase

10:18Claudia Oshry:Alaska The only thing is like When it's just Zach and I Sleeping in the bed Like we'll never see each other I don't know

10:23Jackie Oshry:That's what I'm saying Like me and Ben Have always had a king bed And maybe because We've always had it We're like take it for granted It's tiny It's tiny Because we only got

10:31Claudia Oshry:Romeo A king bed When we moved to Florida Romeo Like for the first Three years of our marriage And our whole relationship We were rocking the queen

10:39Jackie Oshry:And I have to say You and Zach Having a queen bed together Like okay To each their own You want to be crazy Go for it Was so beneficial for me Because every family trip. When we would go on a family trip and we would like rent these houses, some rooms were king beds, some rooms were queen beds. Obviously, the king bed rooms always were just better rooms because they were more like primary suites. Ben and I couldn't sleep in a queen bed. Like we live in a king bed. So Jackie and Zach were like, well, we sleep in a queen bed. I guess we could take the queen room, the lesser room. So that was fun.

11:05Jackie Oshry:I appreciated that. Now it's over. I took time off. And now it's game time, bitches. She remembered the viral TikTok sound. Who says it? Nicki Minaj? I did some time. Yeah, I think it's Nicki Minaj. And now it's game time, bitches. Now it's game tunes, bitches.

11:24Claudia Oshry:Rebrand. I love that. Let's get into the stories. We have a lot to discuss. A lot of news that will segue into other stories and such.

11:31Jackie Oshry:Oh, I did something crazy last night. Crack. Actually crazier. A little bit crazier than that. I just remembered that I have free will. And so I took Ruby out of his crib when he was sleeping and put him in my bed. Don't you do that every night? No, I like rock him to sleep. It's like a whole process. I tried to do it last night and he was like not having it. He was like putting me in my crib. So I put him in his crib and then like an hour later, I was like, you know what?

11:54Claudia Oshry:You need some Gruber?

11:55Jackie Oshry:Yeah.

11:56Claudia Oshry:Yummy.

11:56Jackie Oshry:I know that's like goes against, you know, sleep training 101, but like whatever.

11:59Claudia Oshry:She's in her co-sleeping era. Get her that Alaskan king.

12:02Jackie Oshry:Correct. I need a bed with like a bassinet built in.

12:04Claudia Oshry:I thought you were going to say that you took Romeo out of his crate.

12:08Jackie Oshry:No. Why would I do that? No. Honey, what kind of mother do you think I am? Um, Romeo has actually been like kind of sweet recently. Ben went to New York, um, for the Spritz Kiehl's launch. And I had to, he was, took the 6am flight and a 6pm flight. So like he was just gone during the day, like during the four walks and I had to do them, like all of them. It was kind of insane. I can't believe I used to do that all the time with Romeo. Like, okay. Like, it was just like, like, why am I standing outside at night? It was so weird. Like, that's rough. I know. I was thinking, and I was really like how long can I stretch like can I cut he does four yeah can I do three Brutadoo stretches he's a stretcher yeah but Bruno has a backyard you just like open up your back door you'd be surprised yeah right it's just like it should be easier yeah like the other night

12:56Claudia Oshry:Zach was like Bruno needs to go he was like shouting to me so I was like okay but the amount of things that came in my way before I could get I never did it this is how you this is how you take Bruno out. No, but like I was walking to the door to take him out. So like Charlie needed this and I need to start the bath. And then like I totally forgot an hour later I was like you need to take Bruno out. Like I never made it to the door. Well, you do have a big house. Things happen. Yeah. Things happen on the way to the door. Now I feel like. Yeah, I feel like. Oh, you know what I made last night a tomato soup you know what's a fun fact about me you actually really like tomato

13:37Jackie Oshry:soup but only when it's like a topping for my grilled cheese yeah and i made sourdough grilled cheese that's delicious it was very delicious oh i gotta tell ben to make that for me if you guys ever find yourself in need the lowe's regency hotel where tom was spotted kissing another woman who wasn't his wife luann they have the best grilled cheese and tomato soup like it is fat fat fat it's butter cheese cream like it's fucking delicious i'll have to try it but

14:03Claudia Oshry:honestly i don't know if it could be better than like a homemade sourdough grilled cheese next time you're in new york tomato soup from scratch we'll do a patreon taste test okay you know sometimes now dining out it's it's like lost its luster and maybe fried rice last night better than the

14:22Jackie Oshry:restaurant. Okay, so Ben went golfing. And because it gets so dark, it gets late.

14:28Claudia Oshry:Okay, what am I trying to say? It gets late. It gets dark late.

14:33Jackie Oshry:He did like a three o 'clock tea time because it was raining. And then like, whatever, he was golfing with his actual new best friend, Jared Freed. Did I tell you that Ben's best friend, I always look over at Ben's texting Jared Freed.

14:40Claudia Oshry:They're like, I knew that they were, we knew that they would love each other. They were friends, but I didn't know they were best friends yet.

14:46Jackie Oshry:Best friends. So they golfed yesterday. And so Ben like got home like super late. So he knew he would have to make arrangements for his family. So we made us chicken rocks. And I just asked for chicken rocks and rice, you know? And of course, Ben goes above and beyond. He's like, he calls me. He's like, I just left. The food is in the fridge. I made you chicken rocks and fried rice. I fucking love fried rice. But he knows I'm on a bit of a health journey. So we made it like clean, like, you know, not a ton of butter. Because if you ever see them make it up any Hana, oh my God, it's insane. When I tell you it was so disgusting, like, I'm sorry, fried rice just has to be fattening.

15:16Jackie Oshry:Oh, no. I'm like, what is this missing? Oh, yeah, the good stuff. Like, was there egg? Of course. Egg is not fattening. No, no, no. But I'm like, he went, he made egg. He made egg. Yeah. Yeah. Like he went all out and I felt bad. He was like, how was it? And like when somebody tells you that something, like it was so thoughtful, right? Was there anything wrong with it or it just wasn't mighty tasty?

15:35Claudia Oshry:It was bad. Like I didn't eat, like here, I didn't eat it. I saw, but like as long as it wasn't rancid. I saw like a reel that came across my desk from one of those like toxic skinny talk people. Not Liv Schmidt. But like someone who wants to be like, here's how I say my calorie deficit. by drinking boiling hot water oh yeah but it was like hot take like food doesn't have to taste good like it doesn't have to be like so and not everything you eat needs to be like so delicious like just eat something like healthy oh i don't agree with no like that was her hot like i'm not saying i know it's like not everything needs to be like the most delicious creamy like well there wasn't anything wrong with the rice and it was healthy good it was bad good these were the two

16:17Jackie Oshry:philosophies like people who treat food as who like eat to live and live to eat i'm like i i don't

16:23Claudia Oshry:live to eat with that person and i wouldn't say like everything needs to be like so creamy delicious but i understand what she was saying it's like not everything needs to be like so tasty all the time like it's fuel you know it's a good thing but i'm also like i'm like it also i like it to

16:36Jackie Oshry:be tasty it's a good thing that you are not like an active user on tiktok because let me tell you like some of your takes like they would fucking hate like wait what do you mean like skinny talk is the devil right it's like the most worst thing and you see it you're like she kind of has a point

16:48Claudia Oshry:oh yeah but like i feel like that's fair like even some people who are really extreme like you could probably find like even a broken clock is right twice a day like i can find some truth in what she's saying like not every meal needs to be like cinnamon right right like savory indulgent gluttonous sometimes you should just be like an oatmeal that's not gonna taste amazing but it's gonna be good for you yeah yeah yeah well you well that's why i had scrambled eggs this morning

17:08Jackie Oshry:like gagging in between but don't i look stronger yeah starting your morning off with eggs which has It's become like a thing Ben's been doing until like the last two days. Only when there's bread. I can't have eggs without bread. Do you feel that? Oh, yes. I need a continental breakfast. Yeah, yeah. So we got wild. We finally, we have had a wild grain in the freezer for like three years. And we finally put it in the oven. It's so fucking good. It's so good. So I saw the loaf. And I was like, sure, I'll have some eggs. And that was yesterday and today. And I do feel like jacked.

17:36Claudia Oshry:Yeah. I also like a little potato when I'm going egg and horse. But Jackie, not everything needs to be so creamy and delicious. It's true. I'm sorry. So why are you having potatoes, Patty? No, I'm not. I said I like it. But what potato am I having? You know what? And by the way, potatoes take forever to cook.

17:54Jackie Oshry:Last night I watched Joanna Gaines. Magnolia Table? Magnolia Table. Ben was looking for a cooking show. He was non-stop. I love. I hate when Ben has the clicker. It's just so painful. We finally landed on Joanna. He was just choosing an episode. We watched Braced Short Ribs and Gnocchi. She was like, this is her like modern take on just like meat and potatoes, pot roast and mashed potatoes. Like she did. Oh, that's so fancy. Yeah. That's like, that's surprising. She took forever to make these gnocchi. Like everyone hand rolled. And like, to be honest, she kind of burned them and they didn't look great.

18:24Jackie Oshry:Her short ribs looked amazing. Her show was so random. What did Ben think about it? I could see them not vibing. He thought that her kitchen was so beautiful. Like every pot, pan, like every utensil is really like chosen with a meticulous eye. It's very beautiful. He was like, I love that kitchen, like that oven. You know, she has like that weird old timey oven. Yeah, insane. And he said, I just have a feeling this food doesn't taste good.

18:49Claudia Oshry:Oh, I've made her recipes from her cookbook and every single one is great.

18:53Jackie Oshry:So Ben will be making her hazelnut bread pudding that she made for dessert with this thing last night.

18:58Claudia Oshry:Okay. Yeah. Oh, and you know, I originally got this tomato soup grilled cheese idea because I got my panini press when I was watching a lot of Ina when I was pregnant. Because she, it's actually her, yeah, she inspired me to get a panini press. And honestly, it's been a better, one of my better purchases.

19:14Jackie Oshry:If you do eat sandwiches, like somewhat frequently and making them in a panini press, like seriously, no matter the type of sandwich, it's such an elite experience. Like those crispy lines. What's your favorite type of sandwich to put in a press?

19:25Claudia Oshry:I've really only done the grilled cheese.

19:27Jackie Oshry:A grilled cheese is like up there.

19:29Claudia Oshry:But I should do like a tomato mozzarella.

19:31Jackie Oshry:I love like a chicken panini, like a chicken sandwich in a panini press. You make that? Make? No. Purchase? Yes.

19:38Claudia Oshry:Oh, but it's different to make it.

19:40Jackie Oshry:No, of course. But like, I'm just saying panini. Weren't we talking about paninis? Panini.

19:45Claudia Oshry:Yeah, yeah. I guess it is a panini press. You're just saying your favorite panini, but not to make it.

19:49Jackie Oshry:I asked you, like, what's confusing?

19:51Claudia Oshry:I thought you meant my favorite panini to make at home.

19:53Jackie Oshry:It's just like your favorite panini, and you can make them or buy them. I don't discriminate personally, but it sounds like you do.

19:58Claudia Oshry:Yeah, I do. Definitely. There's definitely something that only a restaurant can do that a mortal could not.

20:03Jackie Oshry:You know what actually only a restaurant can do? Because you were just talking about like potatoes that go with eggs. I feel like the sides of potatoes like with breakfast is so personal. Like the stringy hate. I only like the little square ones. I think they serve them in the Delta Sky Lounge. Is that what they're called? I think hash browns are the ones that look like stringy potatoes. What are the ones that are just like square potatoes? And they have home fries. Okay, wait. Home fries is what they serve at a diner.

20:26Claudia Oshry:the stringy potatoes okay what was it hash browns but no not like a latke yeah hash brown is a

20:31Jackie Oshry:latke what are the square potatoes that have like little chunks of red pepper pepper home home style

20:37Claudia Oshry:home style potatoes me home potatoes

20:44Jackie Oshry:not what the hell are they called you know what you know who's gonna know what i'm talking about yeah ask chat chat will know oh it might just be breakfast potatoes okay but you know my new favorite thing to do with chat is is not text but like voice memo you know do you ever do that

20:58Claudia Oshry:no I don't oh you don't I do talk to text no this so look I'll let you go

21:07Jackie Oshry:be nice or you're gonna hi okay so I just can't remember what like the name of this thing is it's the potatoes that come with eggs but it's not like the classic home fries that look like are straight like it's those square potatoes that are like baked and then they have little chunks of red peppers in them. Do you know what I'm talking about?

21:22Claudia Oshry:I've got you.

21:23Jackie Oshry:Yours is a girl. I'm talking of something like breakfast potato hash or skillet potatoes. They're often cubed, roasted, or pan-fried. And those red pepper chunks add a bit of color and sweetness. They're a super popular cider broth. Can you show me a picture? I can't show you an exact picture on the spot, but if you picture golden crispy... Oh, she's having me use my imagination. Actually, the other day I asked her, like, I'm not loving your voice. can we switch it up like to a man and she said yes and then didn't change i was shocked that

21:52Claudia Oshry:that's a woman i know my dad is a man i just know it should i talk to it yeah it but not cool should

21:58Jackie Oshry:i say like what like how they'll be like hey how are you and then we'll see what what type of voice it has uh mine's a woman because i support women i will be so

22:11Claudia Oshry:surprised hold on i'm just i'm having a rough one okay okay

22:20Claudia Oshry:it's a boy yeah well i just had to select one oh oh then that was ember maybe i selected a boy

22:29Jackie Oshry:okay should i do it still it sounds like you just did it hello hello

22:36Claudia Oshry:oh i was just wondering what your voice sounded like i miss you you sound like you're flirting i'm glad you asked i'm here to chat with you however you whether it's just curiosity or something specific you sound so sexy don't don't i xed out oh my god it was a video chat was he

22:56Jackie Oshry:looking at me that's i've never done that oh you're you're like seriously oh my god he's

23:03Claudia Oshry:you're cam girl like we're in love you kind of are i gave him the wrong impression we have dillied so much we have let's get into the stories okay yeah without further to do is time for the past type stories that you do need to know.

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26:06Claudia Oshry:Thank you, Cozy Turt. You're welcome. Not Cozy Chirt? You're welcome. Could I be Cozy Chirt? You're welcome. I didn't realize you were mad at me. Yes, I am. I'm waiting for you to bring it up. Our first story, Taylor Frankie Paul is breaking her silence after domestic violence investigation news. So TFP attended a press preview for her upcoming season of The Bachelorette, Yikes, which aired next week. And she spoke about the ongoing investigation and the drama. This is what she said. She said, honestly, just like my heart hurts to see it, to go through it, especially at this time. Just the timing is hard and it's a big deal.

26:47Claudia Oshry:I feel like every premiere that I've experienced, I've never enjoyed fully. So this is another one. It's extremely hard and it took everything to get me here today. it's just heavy it's a heavy time and it's unfortunate i'm struggling for sure but also at the same time i feel like if i don't show up then i'm just giving these opportunities away and not enjoying what we've worked on and something super exciting that's coming i just feel like it was the right thing to do show up even though it's hard so i've had a bit

27:12Jackie Oshry:of a change of heart and it was largely due to like seriously two tiktoks that i saw discussing this matter there was another statement she gave i think to entertainment weekly where she like flat out said like i've never put a hand on my children which i kind of like needed to hear her say. Yeah. And this doesn't say that. And this was a statement that came out first. And I was like, do you want to address like this sort of hate is allegation being made against you? Now I've listened to a couple of things that I don't know. There's to me, there's two possibilities of what's going on here. And I just like really don't know which is the truth.

27:37Jackie Oshry:Somebody left a comment yesterday that I actually really appreciated that in situations like this, the person who like makes the reports to like DCFS and calls the police is more often than not the aggressor. And like, it's like a means of manipulating and like another form of abuse. And Dakota is the one. And then I was reading all these TMZ articles that like said Dakota. It's like very much like from his POB and a lot of the situation that they're talking about. Like there was an incident in the car and another incident. One of those incidents was over a year ago and the other one was like three months ago.

28:03Jackie Oshry:Why they're coming out like the week of her premiere is giving me a little bit of suspicion. And then somebody posted this clip of Macy and Layla on the Vile Files, like maybe last season, like Taylor was supposed to be there and she didn't come. and Macy and Layla are just very open with Nick being like no no like when we have premieres or like there are exciting things coming out like Dakota like sabotages them so like when we have good news or whatever like we don't tell Dakota because he like is obsessed with sabotaging it in the moment that it's supposed to come so like when they were supposed to go on bio files today which they were really excited about like Dakota found out and like did something and then Taylor couldn't go on the interview or whatever so I was just like watching all these TikToks that I think are designed to like make me believe Taylor and now I'm feeling like like I like I don't know I I don't know.

28:46Jackie Oshry:I don't know.

28:46Claudia Oshry:So here's the thing. I'm prepared to believe Taylor or, you know, champion her if I have anything to go on. I know. I know. It's just feelings. This statement sucks. Yeah. I didn't see the one that you're saying, but if she said I never laid a hand on my child, like I will pray and hope that that's true. It's really hard because I feel like then what we see. Do you want me to play it for you? Yeah.

29:07Jackie Oshry:I saw it on Liz Wood's story. Of her saying it? Yeah. Oh, please. It was like an audio interview.

29:10Claudia Oshry:And for the viewers, we all need to hear that. We need all of the pieces of information in this puzzle. Give me a second. I just got all the stories. Yeah, yeah. No prob.

29:28Okay.

29:29Jackie Oshry:Show me. I've just been misunderstood for like years now. And it just would be so freeing to like tell the whole story of it, you know. And I feel like I've just done a lot of protecting for my child and my family to really not get into that. and um you know i've never touched my children and so for me it's been to see those headlines has been heartbreaking and my family obviously is all affected like they all know who i am i know who i am so for everyone in the public eye to like just allude and believe in is really hard but yeah it's just sorry it just sucks to bring it to bachelor what do we have in store she tried to talk about that like a season but i would say this is a dramatic one but i think just because things were done a little differently this time.

30:09Claudia Oshry:Did you go into this with an open heart? I did. I think I was very nervous to do it, obviously.

30:14Jackie Oshry:Now, part of the reason why I think people are having a hard time believing Taylor Frankie Paul is we're watching this play out while also watching the season. And it's one of her worst seasons. Like she's just, and it doesn't even really have so much to do with Dakota, but it's also, she's like, you're, it's, she's difficult to champion because you see like, he's nice to her for three seconds at the pickleball thing. And she's like lit from within. And then she's like so awful to her mom. She's just in like a really bad spot. so it's difficult for people to see her in a positive light and like champion and believe her

30:42Claudia Oshry:no and so when I hear that of course like my heart breaks for her because if this isn't true then her life is literally going to be ruined by this like brands already dropping her nobody wants to be associated with this it's the worst thing that really you could say about a person um and so now she's it sounds like she's saying like there's more like drama and toxicity with Dakota than we even know more than just what we've seen which is like the lying and the cheating and she doesn't share to protect her son um so what I don't know what I'm watching and if that's true then like how are you in any way endeared to Dakota I know I know at these events like if he is more awful than what we've seen which is pretty bad and it's like run we're all saying run even based on what we've seen but there's even more so it's like why are you engaged with him at all and I understand they have a child together but she has said and it seems like though nothing is what it seems that he's a decent dad yeah um so can it just be like co-parenting and like move forward the fact that she's like stuck in the past and like loses her mind over the smallest things it's like yeah he's terrible and he can be terrible but like you can only control your reaction and you're failing on that part well so this what we're watching is what like october like when

31:46Jackie Oshry:uh this is october dancing with the stars so like a significant amount of time has passed and then i also read an interview she said like like i said these incidents were actually a long time ago and since then they have no communication they do co-parenting through a third party like why did

32:00Claudia Oshry:she call him 150 times in nine 90 minutes a couple months ago why even three months ago is she throwing a drink on him in the car i don't know i don't know and i would be more like if he has a story to share and so does she like i am feel like more inclined to believe her he is a proven liar yeah Yeah, he's a bad track record. He lies like he breathes. Yeah. He can't not lie.

32:26Jackie Oshry:Yeah. And I guess like of all the things people do say about Taylor Frankie Paul, like not being a truth teller is not one of those things. She's too much of a truth teller. Right.

32:33Claudia Oshry:She blew up the swinging scandal. She can't help but be honest.

32:37Jackie Oshry:But you also don't really know what goes on behind closed doors. Like it is entirely possible that like, I don't know. I don't know.

32:44Claudia Oshry:But the information that he does like blow up every premiere is germane here.

32:49Jackie Oshry:And that's what she's saying in that statement, which kind of made no sense until you know that. She's like, I've never been able to enjoy a premiere. Yeah.

32:54Claudia Oshry:There's always something that on the show, even I think at the last premiere that was on the show, it was when she found out about the mom's friend thing. Correct.

33:03Jackie Oshry:You know, these two remind me of Johnny Depp and Amber Heard where it's like they're both probably aggressors and abusive. I think it's like worse from them coming from the man always. But like no one we're never going to get a true 360 view of it. and like you could argue both sides that they're both abusing one another physically mentally emotionally physically whatever you know yeah it just reminds me of that and because i'm seeing extremely compelling arguments on both sides i'm like no no you're right oh no no wait like you're right too i really don't know like i don't know what the truth is yeah and if anybody like made up the fact that she abused her child like i'm automatically going to be on the other side yeah and so i guess like that is a like a pattern of abusers is to like um like file reports i don't know that's just what somebody said and i thought it was actually a good call okay so tbd because

33:51Claudia Oshry:otherwise i'm watching the show she's a mess of course maybe i think it must get worse because what i'm seeing right now is just like not the most entertaining but it's not um no when they

33:59Jackie Oshry:go to colorado like her and her mom it's it is seriously like two crazy people being crazy oh wow and it's also so boring i don't like storylines when you're gonna hire a genealogist to me that's like melissa gorga's worst season but she does have siblings out there okay and not to spoil it because I know you're not there yet. So she goes to Colorado. I don't care about spoilers. Go ahead. Her father has passed away, so he's not alive. The people that are there don't want to be on camera, so she goes and talks to, like, one of her dad's old wayward friends in a diner, and then they, like, take a trip to this other diner that's out of business where her dad used to work, and they stand outside in the parking lot and have an argument.

34:33Jackie Oshry:Like, it's literally, like, I don't know why they went all the way there. I don't know if off-camera she meets her siblings. They don't say anything about it. They just end the trip. Like, it was weird as hell. I feel like they're doing this. take out all the stuff that's happening in real time. What they're doing is making a parallel between, because we learn about her dad, that Taylor's in a very similar situation with Dakota that her mom was in with her biological dad. He was like a bad guy. The mom loved him so much, abusive, got pregnant. He disappeared. And she just chose to like do this on her own.

35:00Jackie Oshry:And she ended up meeting like this amazing guy, Jeremy, who adopted Taylor when she was like four or whatever. And so it's really like the only parent she's ever known. But they're drawing parallels. Because like before we now in real time, like know what's happening. I think they're aiming to like heal Taylor on Secret Live so she can go straight into The Bachelor so in order to heal that in order to move forward you have to take a look at the past so they're drawing these parallels so that her and her mom understand each other it's going very poorly

35:25Claudia Oshry:that's exactly what they're trying to do is like poise her to be The Bachelorette I think that the timeline they're working with is extremely crunchy one on the show it's a matter of weeks like three to four weeks until she's The Bachelorette and like she's still sleeping with Dakota so we have a lot of healing to do in a short period of time and now as viewers we're watching this And in five days, we're going to watch her be the bachelorette. That's really crunchy for us to like go on this journey. Yeah. Of like this girl needs a major healing and self-discovery and self-love. And I don't know if it can be accomplished in the three weeks for her and the five days for us.

35:57Jackie Oshry:I just want to know like seriously what highway Taylor found Dakota like sitting on. Who is he? He's like so random. Like he's not even cute.

36:07Claudia Oshry:And like how is he like the guy? And it's not even her ex-husband. And it's not like she's loved him since she's a teenager. Like she was also already like famous when she met him and he was like a rando. What a hole does he have on her?

36:20Jackie Oshry:I have no idea, but it's a strong one.

36:22Claudia Oshry:I think also for her, the idea of keeping her family together, of ever having, you know, parents together will always be attractive to her.

36:31Jackie Oshry:Yes. And I did like, even though her sitting with Dakota was so moronic when she said and she started crying, like I saw him walking by and he was walking like ever like, like I get it. I do.

36:41Claudia Oshry:No, and like even if he is like not, say you have two guys and like one of them is worse than the other one, but with the worse or one, your family is together. Yeah. That is more attractive than like another person. And so I understand, but like he just can't be the person that she needs. But it's also confusing because as a viewer who doesn't like know a lot of the other bad things that have happened, like Dakota seems to be, aside from the lying and the cheating, he seems to be set on Taylor. And he's like, if you would have me, I would be yours.

37:10Jackie Oshry:But Taylor's saying you say that and then like I get back with you and you're cheating. I mean, it's like the woman you love so much. Like why?

37:16Claudia Oshry:But do they ever really get back together completely with complete forgiveness and a complete tabula rasa? Or is she always sort of like have him at arm's length? She's always mad at him because she's not forgiven him. And so he feels like shit and he goes and not like justifying it at all. But he doesn't like feel like he has Taylor completely. So he goes around. I'm not like saying he wouldn't be a piece of shit. even if she loved him even more. But like they've never had just a clean slate. Yeah.

37:47Jackie Oshry:It's sort of like annoying. And I also saw people, and I guess this is a good call. Like why is Dakota a main character?

37:55Claudia Oshry:Why is, why is Dag Talk a main character? The Dag Talk concept is so awful. It's very demeaning to the women. I agree. I think the worst thing that you can do in general is just like, like a cheater brand, like copy someone. It's a bit of mockery. It is trying to ride their coattails. Every dollar that dad talk makes takes away from the dollars that mom talk makes. Even dad talk as a concept gives these men a reason to think that they have something going on to take away from like this. It's true. Their wives. And it's a thing that's like sort of mocking their wives.

38:29Jackie Oshry:And it keeps like if this is Taylor's like abuser, right? He's now a full time cast member. They work together. Technically, they have to go to all these stupid pickleball tournaments together and they have to film together for weeks on end like i don't even think dad talk is the most destructive

38:44Claudia Oshry:for taylor and it's not good for jordan and jesse it's worse for jordan and jesse it's macy and jacob it's bad for everyone and i think it's really demeaning to the women i agree really really bothers me and i think at first it was like a funny joke we mom probably good dad i thought they made like a couple tiktoks and did hashtag like anytime they get together they call themselves dad talk that would be funny yeah the fact that they really think that dad Jordan's wearing the hat he's an entity just like mom talk is an entity I find it to be really insulting it's taking away from the show and if I were one of the wives I would really really hate it and now

39:19Jackie Oshry:they have to treat dad talk like it's something no and seriously Jordan walking around in a tank top and three different dad talk merch hats that he made himself at customing.com like the like I actually couldn't hate Jordan anymore and then he made his own merch you know yeah no and like

39:34Claudia Oshry:the women are better wives than I could ever be because if someone was like going around trying to be taken seriously but in a way that's like totally riffing off of what they've built it and like they don't even respect them it's true like they torture them at home you're not

39:51Jackie Oshry:home enough you're not a good enough wife we're not having sex enough you're not home with the kids like fuck off I can't do all those things because I'm being mom talk and you're so desperate

39:58Claudia Oshry:at copying my thing. And I also have to lift up dad talk. Right, whatever that is. Mom talk isn't enough of these friendships and these gigs and these deals. Now we also have to throw you guys a bone. So true. For all of the brands that go to dad talk, it could easily just be mom talk. It's true. It really frustrates me. I also saw the conversation between Zach and Jen and I just love Zach. Yeah, you do. I'm not taking his side. No, because again, I'm with the women. But I think that Zach is a good guy. I think he is too. Which is so surprising. I know.

40:27Jackie Oshry:I know. I think he's a good guy. I think he's a good husband. I just wish he could like shut the fuck up a little bit. Like when I have no doubt the marriage, I'm like, I have no doubt that this time is extremely difficult on him, on his marriage, on his, on all elements, but not just understanding that it's a brief window of time. It will end. And like, we're not going to fix it right now. Cause it'll be fixed when we leave dancing with the stars. Like him wanting to have this sort of like difficult conversation about him, his future, the future of his family. like while she's in this difficult time, just acknowledge that like, this is a window of our marriage.

41:01Jackie Oshry:It's going to be really hard. It's worthwhile. She's fulfilling a dream. And when it's over, we will get back together.

41:06Claudia Oshry:I completely agree. Except for the fact that she's talking about staying in LA and they did stay. Remember she said like, we're John's neighbors now. Yeah. And when he said like, Hollywood is not good for marriages. This town is like not good for families. He's completely right. So it's not like what you're saying is irrelevant because she's not saying, give me three months and then I'm yours again. That's true. She wants to stay. And so he has to like wave the red flag and be like, this is not good for us. I also think a lot of the women are suffering. And I say the more episodes I watch, the more I'm just like, this show is breaking them.

41:37Claudia Oshry:I know. And yeah, there's money and glitz and glam and fame, but like, they're not happy. They're all breaking down. And I think they've all sort of lost their religion a little bit. And I think that's also not good for them. Like, especially as women who came from religion, like if you never really like was a big part of your life, Like then not being like close to God in a moment, like wouldn't really matter, but like to go from it being the bedrock and the foundation of your whole life, of your entire life to then really like nothing tying you to it. It's very untethering to like lose that foundation in such a short period of time.

42:10Jackie Oshry:Every single marriage. And when we know that Mason and Layla are broken up, Mikaela and Jace are separated. I'm sorry. Jesse and Jordan are three minutes away from divorce. Jacob and Macy are like the best marriage, but they're starting to show cracks like serious issues. Yeah, because he's hanging out with just like bad influences.

42:25Claudia Oshry:And he's trying to like influence her business. He's like, why don't you respect my ideas creatively? And it's like. Shut up. No, that like she doesn't want to work with her husband. Right. She's being like very patient and he's a good guy. So he is. I'm not even seeing it as nefarious. I think he really just wants to help. But like that will not end well. Yeah, it's kind of a train wreck. Like it's a train wreck. Yeah. But I think like Jen and Zach, like we're really religious in the beginning of the show. and then to go from the matter of like two years living in Hollywood, not following. She just made a TikTok.

42:56Jackie Oshry:Get ready with me to go to church for the first time in two years. So it was an ad for an AI calorie tracking app.

43:02Claudia Oshry:Oh, that app loves Cal AI. Cal AI. Somebody else. I actually was looking at Dakota. I was looking at Dakota's page yesterday. He said, let's make breakfast for me and ever. And then he's like, nah, we're going to order in. And he like starts Cal app. It was actually, I didn't realize I was about to watch an ad. Right. Same with Jen. Yeah. They integrated it well. Yeah. That's funny. So I believe. And Jessie. I follow Jessie. Jessie does Cal app a lot.

43:27Jackie Oshry:So I don't know if she's just going to church for the content or like actually going back to church.

43:31Claudia Oshry:The fact that she said come with me to church for the first time in two years. Like that's incredibly destabilizing for the church to be a huge part of your life. Your entire life. And the two years where you are astronomically huge. Like you don't have that connection. I think that's not really like great for them either. to just have such a like a change of faith no i agree especially like in your marriage for your marriage is also centered on that like i feel like for me i can't even conceive it yeah so things are not good for the slamos no i think they need a break and i think that this i don't know if i would have said this had this not happened but this season has to be seems to be heading towards disaster yeah and this is the disaster all of it the taylor yeah yeah and the domestic violence even if dakota is sabotaging taylor like this is an yeah like cinnabon has

44:21Jackie Oshry:dropped yeah oh not cinnabon that's a huge loss i'm available but not everything has to be tasty claudia correct your cinnamon buns have to be and that's why i love cinnabon use code turdy for 20 off an in-store or online purchase not a real advertisement not paid for by cinnabon Don't use school turkey. You'll be wasting your time. Actually, we should do a Cinnabon collab. I just want to say, what's swirlier than a Cinnabon? It's cinnamon swirled in.

44:51Claudia Oshry:You know who likes us? I think actually we need to do. Auntie Anne's? Auntie Anne's because we're aunties. I'm open. By the way, they're owned by the same company.

44:59Jackie Oshry:Because they're always doing like the dual. We're swirly aunties. Sure. I'm open to both. I actually really, much like Britney Spears, I actually really do like Cinnabon and Auntie Anne's.

45:09Claudia Oshry:antibody for Auntie Anne's a breast milk pretzel no Frida Frida okay are you ready for our next story I am Miley Cyrus sings best of both worlds and the climb as Hannah Montana has an emotional reunion with her parents in the 20th anniversary special trailer so the trailer dropped for the 20th anniversary special of the Hannah Montana 20th anniversary

45:35Jackie Oshry:since we last discussed there have been like a couple of videos a couple of still images. Restoring my faith immensely. While I'm still not thrilled about like going behind the scenes on how the set was built, it does look like there's a concert.

45:46Claudia Oshry:I just want to say I watched the trailer and it gave me all the feels. I like, I can't wait. I almost like reposted to my story but then I forgot like just being like, this is it. I'm so excited. First of all, she's singing. She's singing the climb. She's singing best of both worlds. You know what? I do want to see her closet from 20 years ago that can barely move. Sure, whatever. I want to see Hannah all tatted up I can't friggin wait it looks amazing and it's like really when I see that HM I'm sad like literally I'm 12 years old again I can't wait yeah I agree the content coming out

46:19Jackie Oshry:is very promising all I really cared about was singing and we're getting singing so I'm thrilled everything else yeah I'm a big fan of the show so like I'm interested in sure all the other parts but not without a singing element

46:32Claudia Oshry:of course and you got your fucking singing and I'm thrilled like 360 this looks amazing and I can't March 24th I can't friggin wait that's how I felt she can't friggin wait I have to put it in my calendar and it's so crazy how Miley like she has lived 1 ,000 lives since being Hannah Montana bangers dirty pets like everything and when she puts that wig on she's Hannah she's that girl no she and when she's talking she's the same person which Hannah wig do you like personally resonate with

47:02Jackie Oshry:well of course

47:03Claudia Oshry:like the nobody's perfect long one but then she did get a haircut yeah she had like a lob-ish mid and that was cute for season three it was very mature too like when they moved to

47:13Jackie Oshry:the house in malibu and she was just like more grown-up hannah and i guess she didn't have bangs

47:17Claudia Oshry:in that second wig right but i do was so no she did she always had me okay okay but i do associate like the long bond like nobody's perfect one agreed and then the i just saw i guess they talk

47:27Jackie Oshry:about it in the specials because it made news in the very first episode of hannah montana she does have a different wig she has a different wig she has like seriously the most cocked wig ever it's Like Sarah Van Nys Farrah Fawcett. Ill-fitting. It doesn't look even remotely like her hair. And the person who designed that wig was actually fired after the first episode because she did such a bad job at her job, which was putting a wig on. And she's in the special, which will be exciting.

47:49Claudia Oshry:No, but like even this still of Miley from the special, like that looks like it could have been taken 20 years ago. She's ageless. With the wig on, she is Ramona Singer. And the sunglasses, like and the outfit, it's as if no time has passed at all. Yeah. It's the clown. And the climb like then and now has just meant everything to me in my life. Yeah. And so seeing her perform it is, I don't know if I'll be able to handle it. I know. I know. Keep on moving.

48:16Jackie Oshry:Keep climbing. Keep the faith, baby.

48:24Jackie Oshry:It's all about, it's all about the climb. Keep the faith. Keep your faith. faith.

48:37Claudia Oshry:Whoa.

48:41Claudia Oshry:That was really good. I thought so. Yeah. Nice. So I can't frigging wait is the headline. Can't frigging wait. Are you ready for our next story? Alex Earl is posing for Sports Illustrated in a pearl covered bikini. So a picture of maybe you have more context, but I have no, I didn't know. Sometimes Sports Illustrated releases and it's like, oh, it's the Sports Illustrated. But then it's like, is it just sneak up on us with like a bunch of pictures? that by the time the cover comes out, I'm like, didn't we see the cover? Is this the cover? No. Or is it just a cover? Or a picture? It only says Sports Illustrated on the bottom right.

49:15Claudia Oshry:Like it's just a watermark. It's just a spread. It's not a title. Yeah, so she is in a bikini for the Sports Illustrated swimsuit issue, which, okay, so here, the magazine revealed their first slate of models Tuesday, which saw Alex Earl joined by Camille Kostic and three other models. So they just like dropped some pictures from the issue. Like what does that mean though? Including like five people that are in the issue.

49:43Jackie Oshry:So Sports Illustrated swimsuit.

49:45Claudia Oshry:And then like this is a really bad rollout. They do this every year. And then I'm like wait. Are there just like 12 issues of Sports Illustrated? Or is this the time? Usually winter is the time for Sports Illustrated cover. So it's coming any day now. Who do you think will be on the cover? So they went to Botswana. Of course. And that's where they did Livy Dunn. Oh Livy Dunn is one of the five? Camille Kostick, Meredith Mickelson.

50:09Jackie Oshry:Penny Lane, is that what you're seeing? Is Meredith Mickelson Phil Mickelson? No, no, she's just like a pretty model. Penny Lane. Who's that? And a ching agoutu. Who's Penny Lane? She's just a model with 400K, okay. Yeah, and then a ching agoutu. Okay, so where's, oh, and then Alex Earl. Okay, so not Libby Dunn. Sorry, my bad, my bad. I saw her in another one. Oh, okay.

50:34Claudia Oshry:It's confusing. Yeah, no. Okay, so they released the first, but these are not the cover models. No, these are just like five pictures of people from the magazine that's forthcoming, question mark.

50:43Jackie Oshry:Got it. Okay. So who do we think is going to be on the cover? Do they think we're going to do like eight covers again?

50:49Claudia Oshry:Of course. So do you have your top eight? And I feel like it's not going to be Alex Earl because if it were going to be. No, they already released her spread. No, but they could have another picture of her for one of their eight covers. I'm just like. No, no, no, no, no. I think like when they release the cover cover, it'll be a new person.

51:05Jackie Oshry:So it's not Camille. It's not Penny. Correct. Camille's already done it. These people are like rookies or whatever. Like they're just the models.

51:11Claudia Oshry:Who do you think it will be?

51:12Jackie Oshry:I mean, it should have been Alex Earl. I thought that it should have been Alex Earl a year ago, two years ago. I don't know. Like who's the young hot thing?

51:19Claudia Oshry:It's not going to be the young hot thing.

51:21Jackie Oshry:Right. So I don't know because they're always doing like, they're always looking to check a box being like Martha Stewart was the oldest one. This is the first Asian American queer. Like they like to do like someone who's like not been done technically. So I don't know.

51:36Claudia Oshry:I think they're going to do.

51:44Claudia Oshry:I think they're going to do like Amy Poehler. Soleil, I would love that. I think that's what it's going to do. That's a good guess.

51:51Jackie Oshry:You think it's just one? Oh, another person? Like I think they're going to do like, maybe they'll do like a comedy theme.

51:58Claudia Oshry:they won't do it no okay okay who else would be on it I don't know what about the secret lives no they won't yeah yeah yeah you have to think not obvious yeah so I don't know because I'm an obvious person yeah no and it's just like big celebrities I'm actually excited like I didn't realize we were waiting for this I'm just like excited to see like what it is yeah because it's always so random I don't think it's gonna be like what we think it should be

52:23Jackie Oshry:no no I miss the days where like they would decide on one person and that person was like the biggest model that year like they were discovering people and made people yeah yeah yeah and then like the year following was like kind of like Miss America you were like on a years-long tour as the swimsuit girl Kate Upton Hannah Jeter Nina Ogdahl no now it's just like randos and celebrities and like business people they're gonna Barbara Corcoran on the cover like

52:44Claudia Oshry:yeah honestly I'm down or like Joy Behar oh please no that's what it's gonna be I don't think Joy

52:50Jackie Oshry:would do it like that's the only reason why I don't think it is Whoopi Goldberg I think she actually would do it it's literally gonna be whoopi goldberg all right that's jackie's official yes do you have one okay if we're going like right like nancy grace you know no i was gonna say something insensitive sorry um i don't think nancy grace would do it oh i do actually i don't know she's like a god-loving woman maybe not let me think let me think who was just like oh maybe like the olympics oh like eileen what's the girl with the eileen with the hair that everyone loves Alyssa Lou yeah our Eileen yeah one of the Olympian okay you're saying Olympian yeah this cycle I mean

53:28Claudia Oshry:it would be a really quick turnaround but that's what you're gonna say yeah okay and I'm saying whoopie Goldberg okay are you ready oh also Alex Earl related she just launched an Instagram account what the fuck is Alex doing about and it's the bio is something big is coming and it's a photo of her Like obviously modeling for a skincare line. Oh, you think it's skincare here? Her skin is low weight.

53:51Jackie Oshry:She's not wearing makeup. She's wearing like a nude-like bra, so like not clothes. And that's what she's so viral for. Like she had hormonal acne. She like Metacube is like her whole thing, like her dermatologist. So she's very much like a, she does makeup, but she's a really influential person in skin. Okay. So it's what the fuck is Alex doing and we're just going to like watch this space. Yeah. She like launched the Instagram account. She got like 100 ,000 followers and she's just waiting for the launch. Got it.

54:14Claudia Oshry:Yep. Are you ready for our next story? White Lotus Season 4 casting news. Oh, I didn't even see this. I know they're France, right? Yeah, they are going to be. Oh, actually, I did see this. AJ Michalka, right? She might have been in the past. Yeah. But the new people. Okay. And it's very exciting for us because it's someone that we'll be able to have on Namesake. Okay. Max Greenfield.

54:36Jackie Oshry:I'm cracking up. From New Girls. Sally. Who's his mom?

54:42Claudia Oshry:Sally Greenfield? No, wait. Doesn't he have a famous mom? Does he? I don't know him because I don't watch New Girl, so he's like a blind spot for me. I don't watch it either. He's a max, so I'll start to pay attention. His... I don't know. Then we have... I don't know why I thought his mom was Sally Field. Kumail Nanjiani. Okay. Chloe Bennett. From Logan Paul's ex-girlfriend? She's from... Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. and Interior Chinatown. I think she's more famously known.

55:14Jackie Oshry:and let me just make sure I'm right from that mermaid show. Continue.

55:22Claudia Oshry:Charlie Hall. Oh my God, two people for namesake. You guys, and you know who Charlie Hall is? I don't. Julia Louis-Dreyfus's son. Oh, I like him.

55:31Jackie Oshry:He was in Secret Lives of Sex Girls, College Girls.

55:34Claudia Oshry:Yeah, he was in Sex Lives.

55:35Jackie Oshry:Yeah, he's cute.

55:35Claudia Oshry:And Gerard Paul.

55:38Jackie Oshry:Okay, we've got ourselves a cast.

55:40Claudia Oshry:Then previously announced cast members are Sandra Bernhardt, Helena Bonham Carter, Vincent Cassell, Steve Coogan, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. They never go obvious. AJ Michalka. They never go obvious. It's a mix, though. Like, working actors who you can recognize and some new folk.

55:53Jackie Oshry:Right. But, like, it's never, like, the most famous working actors. It's, like, people you know whose faces you recognize. It's, like, a star maker machine. Either of, like, brand new faces. Oh, I guess, like, Megan Fahey was, like, I mean, I knew her, but she was, like.

56:04Claudia Oshry:That sounds like Chloe Bennett, like, Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Like, if you've seen her show, you know her. She's worked before. But she's about to have, like, a big moment. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Same with A.J. Michalka. Like, if you saw Secretariat, like, you've been on notice.

56:13Jackie Oshry:No, but, like, A.J. Michalka is a fixture in, like, millennial, the entire generation's, like, childhood.

56:19Claudia Oshry:No, but, like, she's waned. Were you right? Was I wrong? She has waned. And now we're going to start seeing her on every red carpet. Like, I'm excited for that. And I hope they ask questions about what it was like to be a part of Secretariat, such a major movie, motion picture. Maybe if she does press, we can get her and ask her that.

56:35Jackie Oshry:Yeah. Caught in a moment. I hope they use some Allie and AJ. They should. I wonder if she'll be playing a singer.

56:41Claudia Oshry:She's always playing a singer. Okay. She's sung in Secretariat. There will be singing. And this one is taking place in Paris in multiple locations along the French Riviera. Very cool. Very cool. Our fifth and final story. I shouldn't have been to the final. Oh, wait. Sorry. I just got disorganized.

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59:33Claudia Oshry:thank you Tert Positive you're welcome Jert Positive we're letting us know about O-Positive you're welcome Jert Positive oh she's forgiving I'm back fifth and final story what are you looking at me for it shouldn't have been fifth and final but it's just the way things should go today's and day as addressing the Tom Holland marriage rumors, shares a spoof wedding video to clear the confusion. So Zendaya went on Jimmy Kimmel and discussed these like rumors and AI photos that she got married. Plus like Law Roach sort of like opened a can of worms when he said that she did get married and she's like joking about it.

1:00:05Claudia Oshry:And people seem to really care about that. More notably, she was not asked any questions about Euphoria season three, which is about to come out, which is making people like question her involvement in the promotion of Euphoria season three.

1:00:18Jackie Oshry:Well, that is weird. Although, like, she's on a press tour right now for a movie. And, like, maybe they want to just promote that movie. I'm not going to, like, look into that so nefariously.

1:00:26Claudia Oshry:Although everything with euphoria is nefarious. Everything. Everyone hates each other. Everything is drama. Everything is toxic.

1:00:32Jackie Oshry:I don't really care whether or not Zendaya is married or not. Because she's in, like, a long-term partnership. If they're married, great. If not, they will be. Like, I don't care. What I want to talk about is this movie that she's in with Robert Pattinson, which just, like, looks really good. I'm, like, obsessed with the pairing. um they he looked so hot at the oscars and then last night was the premiere and she wore uh okay so she rewore a dress she wore this white versace gown that was gorgeous and apparently she had worn it like in the 20 2015 to the oscars and it's just so interesting to see the side by side how she's like really grown up like she like just looks so more like feminine and womanly but what's interesting and i remember when i first saw the picture somebody was like oh my god she wore this dress to the 2015 oscars she's wearing her hair in dreads and i'm like oh i wonder if That was the time that Juliana Rancic said that she said that she smelled like patchouli oil and like literally got fired and ended one of the greatest shows.

1:01:18Jackie Oshry:And like that literally is what ended Fashion Police. Yes. And so then Law Roach tweeted, remember the last time she wore this dress? And like they literally like were referencing that. Yeah. I can't believe that Law and Zendaya like know about that and talk about it. And like are joking about it. Because it was literally like at the time it was the craziest, like biggest deal ever. Yeah. And I have like everyone's like moved on.

1:01:41Claudia Oshry:the show is over but like no but they moved on in the sense that it was canceled like it it wasn't a no small thing it's very much like known as but it's clearly like something they haven't forgotten

1:01:52Jackie Oshry:you know lawns and lawns and daya yeah of course not she looked so beautiful in the dress it's actually insane how like different the dress looked because she was just like a kid you know yeah wearing this gown in 2015 and now she really looked like a beautiful you know woman that's really funny. I kind of want to see this movie. It's called The Drama. Everything is The Drama. I know.

1:02:14Claudia Oshry:Well, so like, are they married? Are they not? Again, I'm with you. It makes no difference to me.

1:02:18Jackie Oshry:They're like Goldie Hawn, you know, like they're married. Like seriously, who cares? Yeah, like whether they had a wedding

1:02:24Claudia Oshry:that you wouldn't be invited to anyway. Correct. I'm not having anything to do with any of us.

1:02:31Jackie Oshry:Let's dive into Dear Toasters, our weekly advice segment, where we try to give back to the community, try to help out the girls in need. If you ever need advice from us, you can email us at deertoasters at gmail.com or simply head over to our website, thetoastpodcast.com. Scroll down. There's a little Deer Toaster submission box, totally anonymous both ways, and you have just as good of a chance getting on the show no matter how you submit. Okay. Hey, Swirlies. My husband, who's 30, has told me multiple times that people at work are asking him if he has something going on with his coworker who's about 50.

1:02:58Jackie Oshry:I know they're friends that they have lunch together sometimes. She did call him once when she got into a car crash, which I thought was weird. I genuinely don't think he's cheating on me but do you think he's acting inappropriately at work and that's what what is making people think this what should i do well i agree that your husband's not cheating on you because he wouldn't have told you like everyone thinks i'm dating i think he was saying it's funny because like she's 50 and he's 30 um but why are people thinking that like i feel like there's something you're not sharing and her calling your husband when she got into a car wreck like i guess she's 50 like i mean i don't work in like a traditional office setting like you are my like one of my only co-workers so so like maybe I can't relate but like what how are you two behaving like I know everyone with their work wives like so toxic it's so wrong and I feel like now people are turning

1:03:47Claudia Oshry:on the concept like for a while I was like that's my work wife and now everyone's like that's not a thing and that's not normal and that needs to stop and that's not appropriate this doesn't sound inappropriate if the genders were reversed it would certainly not be appropriate yeah and i don't know that anything nefarious is going on but like you don't you just don't need this like no your husband's not so innocent in all of this like he's obviously he's the younger subordinate he's the man and he's 30 like he's 30 she's 50 imagine if it's a 50 year old man and a 30 year old woman imagine if your father married someone your age and then like your boss is like calling you on

1:04:21Jackie Oshry:the side of the road and like no that's weird unless she's like a frail old woman but like

1:04:26Claudia Oshry:obviously not because people really think that they're dating yeah and like she seems to be like

1:04:30Jackie Oshry:his emergency contact your husband needs what the kids are calling boundaries you know your work people should not be calling you in the middle of the night from the side of the road and if you're in a place where like you've become someone's number one person to call when their car breaks down like given too much of yourself in the workplace correct it's just a job yeah tell your husband it's just a job yeah hey swirlies oh no sorry i just read that one dear jackson turdy i actually feel very conflicted about this one my mother-in-law watches my daughter while i work from home upstairs sometimes my father-in-law comes over unannounced to either hang out or go on walks with them i've asked my mother-in-law previously to just send me a quick text to let me know so that i'm aware what's going on in the house she has repeatedly not let me know is not let me know as this continues am i crazy to be annoyed by this he's not my favorite person so i I don't exactly love the surprise visits.

1:05:17Jackie Oshry:It doesn't happen too often, but it still annoys me.

1:05:19Claudia Oshry:Why isn't he your favorite person?

1:05:21Jackie Oshry:Yeah, I'm going to need more context on that because before that, it's like, well, if your mother-in-law and father-in-law, I know there are people who are like very strict about letting adult males near their children. I see it on TikTok a lot. Like I actually just fell into this thing. Family members? Not family members, but you know, actually, I'd like to get your take on this. Sure. I watched this woman. And she did like a whole takedown of her local daycare because she went in. Her kid goes there all the time and it's all good. But she noticed that they hired her child. Did she say it was still in diapers?

1:05:54Jackie Oshry:And so she had two kids. The older one's been going there, maybe three years old. So he's been going there for a while. So she just had a baby. Her six month old is now going to the facility as well. So she was dropping with the kids off and she noticed that there was a new caretaker, a man. So she had asked, oh, who's this new person? And they were like, oh, this is Jimmy or whatever. She said, oh, great. I would just request that he doesn't change the diapers for my baby. I'm only comfortable with a female. And they were like so offended, called her, threatened to throw her kids out. And she was like, I'm just not comfortable with an adult male changing the diaper of her daughter.

1:06:29Jackie Oshry:The baby was a daughter. But I think regardless, she would have said it. And everyone in the comments was like, oh, yeah, I don't let like adult males near my baby. I guess like everyone's very on high alert for pedophilia, which is more prevalent in the male species. so there are people who are like that's why a lot of people don't let their parents don't let their kids have sleepovers because you don't know what adult male is in the house I think kloe kardashian has said that many times she does not let her kids have any sleepovers there's a lot of it's not even just that but yeah it's a big one so um I don't know why like and so if she if this girl writing in is one of those people like I respect her boundaries but it sounds like she just doesn't like her father-in-law she doesn't want him in her house like so regarding the TikToker.

1:07:08Jackie Oshry:Yeah. What do you make of that? I'm with her. Yeah, of course. Okay. 1000%. And the daycare was like being really shady. And I think she ended up, I don't know what she ended up doing. I never got like a follow up video.

1:07:19Claudia Oshry:Leave. Regarding this. Well, first of all, there's a difference between like random adult males being near your babies and your family. And if this person doesn't have like a track record of engaging in harmful behavior with children, it sounds like you just don't like him you want to know when he's in your house sure she should give you a heads up you want to know what's happening in your house I would feel the same way with your upstairs and he's down there downstairs but she probably like isn't on her phone all the time you don't want her to be on her phone all the time they're just going for a walk and they're hanging out I need to really know why he's not your favorite person is it is it like nefarious behavior he seems like an inappropriate unsafe individual or like he's insulted you know he's not the kindest and whatever but if they're just going on walks and she's doing you a favor like I don't think it's the biggest deal but I don't have all the information to make this call.

1:08:06Jackie Oshry:I do have a solution for you because it sounds like you just want to know when he's in the house. You don't want him not coming anymore. And I think a nan, it would solve your problem or any sort of like baby monitor. You're upstairs, put a camera like in the corner of your living room so you could see the whole living room or wherever they hang out, the playroom.

1:08:19Claudia Oshry:Problem solved. Well, they go on walks, but what's happening on walk? If you trust the mother-in-law, she's not going to let anything happen under her watch.

1:08:26Jackie Oshry:Yeah. And it's like, I, well, I understand that your father-in-law is not your favorite person. It is such a privilege to have childcare. That's your family. Like it's just Like I think it's something people would dream of. So even though you don't like him, like, is he a good grandpa?

1:08:37Claudia Oshry:No. And like if, if your concerns are, have to do with like safety or appropriateness, like then you should be concerned about the mother too. Because if he's like a known. Correct. Predator. And she didn't say that, but like, why else wouldn't you want this person? Cause if it's just like, you know, he doesn't say. He's rude. Yeah. They all grumpy. It's like still the kid's grandpa. Like it's fine. It's whatever. But if it is more insidious, then you need to be looking at her too. Yeah, of course. Because she's married.

1:09:03Jackie Oshry:I don't think that's what it is. I just want to say, I don't know why I brought that up.

1:09:06Claudia Oshry:The thing is, if it's not, then I'm like, what's the problem?

1:09:10Jackie Oshry:Correct. Two people want to look after your kid. No, and it's nice. Like two adults is better than one and their family. Like to have like your village raise your child when you have to work is like such a dream.

1:09:19Claudia Oshry:Yeah. And so she doesn't tell you every single time he comes over, but like it's family. So assuming like nothing is wrong here, there's no like bad man. Like it's family. They come through the door. You need a text message.

1:09:30Jackie Oshry:Agreed. Agreed. Agreed. And it's not like you have other child care and then like your in-laws just randomly show up. Like the in-laws are the child care. It's nice. It is nice. Why do you feel this wrong?

1:09:40Claudia Oshry:Unless he's a predator.

1:09:41Jackie Oshry:Correct. Then call police. Now, I like how we've become just like a destination for people who think that their partners are gay. Like that is just sort of my life's work. And so here is our final submission.

1:09:56Claudia Oshry:I have a new take now after SLAMU. It just informs. Yeah. Continue.

1:10:03Jackie Oshry:Hey, guys, a little backstory. My best friend was a late bloomer. She didn't have her first kiss until college. She never really dated. And then fast forward to our late 20s, she's met a guy through a dating app. She is so happy to finally be dating that she's not picking up on some things that I think are quite odd. Like mostly that he goes on a cruise nearly every month. He either goes alone or with another guy friend. While he's on this cruises, he does not communicate with her. And he says he goes on them because he likes to gamble. Is he gay? How do I get her to realize that this is not normal?

1:10:32Claudia Oshry:well you should definitely let her know that it's not normal just be like do you know what he's doing because i don't have like an issue so much if he's gay is he cheating on you well if he's gay i do have an issue because you're a girl no but like he wants like just if you love him like

1:10:51Jackie Oshry:no you guys don't listen to jaggy here's the thing i think you guys are gonna be shocked by what i have to say there's nothing inherently gay about cruises like there is really yeah there are of course gay cruises there are disney cruises like go on a cruise with your male friend so here's the thing i believe greatly that your friend's boyfriend is hiding something major is that major thing his sexuality i actually don't think so let me tell you why again cruises no it's not about to say it was a vacation it's right she's not even like she would have also said and he you know was on grinder like the cruises with his male friends the only and he

1:11:27Claudia Oshry:disappeared sometimes he goes alone and sometimes he brings a friend well maybe he's cruising on

1:11:30Jackie Oshry:the cruise i don't know i don't know when i think of cruises like maybe it's a really big to go on a cruise maybe it's a way watchers cruise like once a month maybe it's a new kids on the block cruise do you know once a month do you know how many themed cruises there are for things other than being gay nobody needs to go on a cruise once a month unless you're cruising and cruises are kind of like disney like it's a cult people so you're saying he's i'm saying people are obsessed with cruises the way they are obsessed with parks like disney parks like i'm sorry once a month don't you have a job well of course there are other like lifestyle things that i have questions to hear about, but if you're just asking me if he's gay, as truly the gay whisperer, I don't think so.

1:12:05Jackie Oshry:I don't think so. But you're saying it could be a lot of things. I think if this girl wrote in and was like, and he's really, you know, he talks really, like there are other ways to surmise about someone's sexuality more often than not, unless you're a true professional. Like there are a lot of signs in how you walk and how you talk in your interest, the TV shows that you watch. Stereotyping. Oh, is that bad? I know, you just always like to make me feel bad. What did I say? But there are other things, like, She would have written and, you know, yeah, I wear skirts. Like, I don't know. No, actually, I feel like gay guys actually don't even wear skirts.

1:12:37Jackie Oshry:Like straight men are always right.

1:12:39Claudia Oshry:Um, no, I understand. Like your mind like went towards gay because you watch this show too much. And I'm sorry. And by the way, for that, I will apologize. But what we're saying is there's so many other things that could be wrong here. And you need to look at those. Okay. Like, yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like the gayness, if it's like. We almost held a toast cruise. no but i it's not about the cruise claudia you're focusing too much on cruise how about that okay maybe he writes for the points guy well does he i don't know yeah like unless he works in

1:13:16Jackie Oshry:here are the themed cruises coming up on royal caribbean but why do i give a shit you don't go

1:13:20Claudia Oshry:to a cruise once a month i don't care if it's hannah montana oh you think the frequency is what makes it gay yes or insidious you can go on a cruise cruise your heart out i don't think so maybe just have that wanderlust and maybe nobody fucking understands him except for me you go on 12 cruises a year that's not normal where do they live maybe they live in like fort lauderdale where there's like a pier where all the crypts it doesn't cruise ships leave from it doesn't matter i know plenty of people live in varda who don't go on cruise a month tell this man to call me he's

1:13:48Jackie Oshry:obviously looking for somebody who understands him and your friend is not worthy of his love and Neither are you.

1:13:52Claudia Oshry:Ask your friend, like, what is he doing on these cruises? This is weird. Why does he have, I mean, maybe. Ask them about their sex life. There are a lot of sides. Like, people who are closeted are not getting, like, digged down. Listen, I would start with just, like, simple questions before you start making leaps. Like, what's this cruise? Who is he with? What does he do? Why can't he answer the phone? He goes on a lot of cruises. Yeah, like, just get some context clues first. She might have a perfectly good answer, and she might be fine. Just because she never kissed a boy till college doesn't mean she doesn't have a brain.

1:14:17Claudia Oshry:Yeah. Like, she's not that naive. You did make her sound like uber desperate. Like someone who can't handle herself in this world.

1:14:24Jackie Oshry:Right, just because she wasn't a slut in college. I like how we're now turning on the person who wrote it.

1:14:31Claudia Oshry:No, because I feel like she's telling us literally only the worst part of this story. Very specific, yeah. She's making her friend look like a dum-dum. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's really funny. I'm cracking up. It's giving my friend got a boyfriend and I'm jealous. Oh, that. I love that. well I just want to say given the fact that you gave us no information and just like these bread crumbs that you thought we would just be like oh he's gay like yeah you tried to leave it leave us here and now we've turned on you that's what I'm saying like when you make it so obvious I don't know I don't even think it's so obvious like but definitely weird behavior let's get some more

1:15:03Jackie Oshry:questions like maybe I just think also like it's important to know like while I think it's weird and if anybody I knew went on a cruise once a month I'd be like are you okay like some people just have different interests than me and like different ways to live their life but nobody goes

1:15:13Claudia Oshry:on a vacation once a month. Ryan Kelly does. That's his job. Ryan Kelly does. So unless that's his job. Maybe he wants to be an influencer and he's doing like cruise reviews. Check his TikTok. So tell us that.

1:15:23Jackie Oshry:Maybe this friend hasn't cared enough to check his TikTok. I believe this man. I can't be in this man.

1:15:29Claudia Oshry:how to walk down the street without the dumb-dumb who never gets kissed in college. Yeah, right, right.

1:15:35Jackie Oshry:Give your son, your friend a little bit more credit. Josie Grosie was never kissed, but she could handle herself in this world. And she would have known a queer man if he punched her in the face. Like one thing about Josie, she was extremely discerning.

1:15:44Claudia Oshry:And so I just feel like you've stereotyped everyone here. Yeah. Including us. Us thinking that we would just think he's gay. It's so true. Him for cruising. Maybe you need to look inward. Maybe it's you.

1:15:57Jackie Oshry:You tried to pit us all again. It's true. And we found you out.

1:16:03Claudia Oshry:I like them apples.

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1:16:18Claudia Oshry:I had one more thought about the Taylor Frankie Paul thing that I think. Okay, the episode's not over. That is germane information to this because I really want to do take her side because if what's happening to her is untrue. It's awful. It's the cruelest thing in the world. Why did all the girls stop filming with her? Yeah. That's all I'll leave you with. But there are also, they are sheep. So. They are. There's so much group thinking. Mom talk. I have to go to the bathroom so bad. We have to wrap this up. consider that they stopped filming with her. We'll leave you with that. Love you. Bye.

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