Brunson Boy Summer: Monday, June 15th, 2026

9:49Claudia Oshry:She has a plane. Yeah. So she could fly in and like fly out after the game. She doesn't even have to sleep there.

9:54Jackie Oshry:And you know, Timothy is like not as wealthy as Kylie. So like he has to charter and share. Like I saw he flew with Fat Joe. Like, you know, if he gets to fly Kylie air, it's just like him and maybe story me. Like it's much more private. No. And like Sydney went with scooter and Sydney bought tickets for scooter and his family. Yeah.

10:10Claudia Oshry:So cute. But like they've been dating shorter and like Kylie and Timothy are like Nick staples. I was surprised she didn't go. I was really surprised. I'm disappointed.

10:19Jackie Oshry:Wow.

10:20Claudia Oshry:Disappointed that I didn't see her. Not like disappointed in her. You know what I mean?

10:24Jackie Oshry:I'm not mad. Just disappointed.

10:28Claudia Oshry:But they still won. So maybe she thought they wouldn't win and then she'd be there for the New York game. But I was surprised. I was surprised.

10:36Jackie Oshry:I don't know when the parade is. It might be today. I think it might be tomorrow. I fear I have to go. Okay. I'm a little afraid. And I wish it was going to be fun and family friendly and bring the stroller. But it's not happening.

10:48Claudia Oshry:Yeah.

10:49Jackie Oshry:I feel like it's gonna be demonic

10:51Claudia Oshry:I don't really I mean we don't even know what a New York parade looks like

10:54Jackie Oshry:we've literally never had one

10:55Claudia Oshry:in our lifetimes yeah

10:57Jackie Oshry:it was really beautiful like I'm loving the stories how's Ben

11:00Claudia Oshry:I feel like I need to call him like I feel like weird that I haven't called him like it's his birthday or he just like graduated it's Ben's birthday

11:06Jackie Oshry:the amount of times his phone was blowing up when it was over like people checking in on him I'm like okay this is insane

11:11Claudia Oshry:I actually like I felt that way this morning I'm like is it weird that I haven't spoken to Ben to like congratulate him on his success check on him yeah

11:16Jackie Oshry:he's doing really well I think overall like his disposition is just so light and airy i don't know when he's back in the cloud thank god thank god like taking up space in the cloud and i think he loves it there it's affecting all facets of our life like he's very happy he's very joyful he's light we haven't fought like it's great that is so so great yeah it's been really exciting i've loved i'm sad it's over i'm glad it happened i'm like kind of chasing the high of what i felt like i was watching soccer like yeah i felt nothing but I was trying to um except when I watched Dan and Shay's national anthem did you

11:50Claudia Oshry:hear it I I saw that they sang where did they sing it there was a lot of sporting events this

11:54Jackie Oshry:weekend so FIFA World Cup is taking place like all over the country yes all over North America Mexico too so I think it was at MetLife Stadium I have no idea but it was for soccer yes it was the official opening game opening ceremony and you know it's like the Olympics you have to like stunt and do your whole culture. And I thought at first it was like a very strange choice to have Dan and Shay. While I particularly love them. Dan and Shay are the culture. Of course, no. I love them. I think they represent American music. But they're relatively unknown these days. I don't want to say yet that there has been.

12:31Jackie Oshry:But I know they're working on their comeback. They're legacy artists.

12:34Claudia Oshry:They're working on their comeback.

12:35Jackie Oshry:I know they've changed management. Things are going well. And I think that while maybe I wouldn't have chosen them, I've seen And first of all, the performance was chilling, like insane harmonies, the two of them. Like I've seen it everywhere. It is so viral. And I think it's been really good for them. And I'm really happy for them to have this global moment. It was beautiful. And for me with the anthem, like I always have thoughts and criticisms about the choice. But when it comes down, all I care about is the performance itself. So I could love you. I could think it was a good choice, bad choice.

13:06Jackie Oshry:I am judging just your vocals. I don't care how famous you are. Once we start, we start. and this is a hall of fame performance it was chilling oh amazing i have to go listen

13:16Claudia Oshry:yeah truly amazing it was a truly amazing weekend yeah as all weekends really mostly are i love just the sheer fact of weekend gotta have more of them yeah oh we had a big weekend here training season training season potty training season we were supposed to do it last weekend but we got delayed due to schedule interferences. So we did it this weekend and it's really, it's going. And I went into the potty.

13:46Jackie Oshry:And Claudia now can make a pee-pee. I am potty trained. I did four peas and one poop. We had a couple of accidents along the way, but I'm excited for this new cojourner, Fred, that I'm going on. And I love the potty. The potty don't start till I walk in.

14:01Claudia Oshry:I've been seeing, we've been seeing like a lot of like videos and stuff and pictures from when we were younger. We've just been like in that era of like going through stuff and like you always had your potty with you.

14:10Jackie Oshry:So I believe potty training was a particularly fraught journey for me. And I actually have memories. I don't have a lot of memories from like obviously before I'm five. I remember me in that fucking toilet. Yeah. That like my friend, the toilet. I remember, I think at one point it got to a place where like I, it was just not taking and I was relegated to the garage because I have a lot of memories of shitting in the garage. And I also remember being afraid of that little toilet. I know it's supposed to be colorful, and it's not a real toilet. It's literally just a plastic bin. Yeah, like a kid-friendly bucket.

14:46Jackie Oshry:And I remember feeling afraid that I was going to be so close to my own poop and pee. I'm like, it's right there.

14:51Claudia Oshry:I guess that's a good point.

14:53Jackie Oshry:Yeah, that's how I feel now when I go to the bathroom on a plane. I could never take a poop on a plane. It's like, my poop is three inches from my skin. That's insane. I need a big, long drop. No, there's no drop. Like, so I remember, yeah, my toilet and I, we were sort of thick as thieves. Yeah.

15:08Claudia Oshry:They're in like every picture together. She's never far from her toilet.

15:11Jackie Oshry:Like, I remember it. It's the primary colors. It's like red, yellow, and blue. I remember it so vividly.

15:16Claudia Oshry:Yeah. Which is funny because the way that we're doing it, it's like, we'll only use that toilet for a couple of days and then we'll go to the big toilet.

15:22Jackie Oshry:To the big boy toilet. Yeah. I remember also being afraid of the toilet.

15:24Claudia Oshry:Well, a toilet is a very scary thing. It is. Where does it come from? Where does it go? No.

15:29Jackie Oshry:And it's like, what's coming? and I should never have watched that movie Spice World where the guy climbed out of the toilet because then it made me realize not only can things go down the toilet, things can come up the toilet as well. Yeah, yeah. I was like, okay, a snake is coming.

15:40Claudia Oshry:Yeah, agreed. And for that I blame Spice Girls. And we potty trained before automatic flushes, but I imagine that's a major source of anxiety.

15:48Jackie Oshry:And you know I've never fully recovered since I flushed the Bentley toilet, the Jaguar keys down the toilet accidentally at the rest stop. So automatic flushes and I, we have no trust. I think that they're, I love the sanitation element of it. Obviously, we're not all like kicking or pushing down the same little flush. But beyond that, they are so flawed. I actually think.

16:10Claudia Oshry:I like the ones where you wave. Oh, I don't know. I feel like that's faulty technology. I think the kick flush is perfectly fine. Yeah, I never had a problem with it. We all kick it. We'd be kicking. We gotta kick it up.

16:24Jackie Oshry:Si se puede.

16:25Claudia Oshry:Si se puede.

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24:03Claudia Oshry:Thank you Dr. You're welcome. Our first story the Vanity Fair article about Alex Cooper Unwell and Matt Kaplan dropped on Friday called Daddy Issues Trouble Behind the Scenes of Alex Cooper's Unwell Media Empire. Over 40 sources including current and former Unwell employees have spoken to Vanity Fair about Alex's company and the man calling the shots at the Gen Z media empire, her husband, Matt Kaplan.

24:29Jackie Oshry:So I was underwhelmed to say the least. People have been talking about this article for a while. Um, when it was taking so long, I started to feel like maybe they had nothing. You're talking to so many people over months. It was said she was working on this before Alex got canceled. It was just sort of like a coincidence. And I don't know if it's that juicy like it's not gonna take that long and then they dropped it behind a paywall on a Friday and I was like oh wow they really had nothing and I wasn't gonna read it but you know somebody sent me a pdf so I did read the whole thing tough to finish while I was getting my nails done and let me tell you there was nothing there like like genuinely nothing I guess the big crime against her is that like she's girl boss femme queen and her husband runs her company and I just feel like a distinction was not made in the fact that like her husband runs no successful part of her company I don't think he's got a foot in call her daddy he runs all the other shit and It's like, yeah, well, who else is going to do it?

25:18Jackie Oshry:Like, not her. She, like the article said, is like never at work because she works on one of the only successful elements of Unwell, which is call her daddy. Yeah. I didn't think that was so crazy. And like, yeah, girls get married. Even the girl bosses get married. And it's like, yeah, relying on your partner is not a crime. I guess when you're like.

25:34Claudia Oshry:It's not just that they came to work for her and they're working for him. It's that he's like a toxic, horrible boss. Well, yes, yes.

25:39Jackie Oshry:I'm talking about her crimes, like what they were accusing her of.

25:42Claudia Oshry:She let her husband take over her company. Again, these girls are coming to work for her. and then she also lets her husband she's they made sure to say at a lot of these instances where he's berating people you know talking disrespectfully to them she's right there

25:57Jackie Oshry:yeah um and i don't know call me old-fashioned but the workplace toxic allegations like don't

26:01Claudia Oshry:do it for me those are not real allegations like they don't do it for me so much too because also they can be like so subjective someone's feelings got hurt someone you know of course so but that's what does it first if someone went on call her daddy and said my boss did all these things she

26:15Jackie Oshry:would say how dare he abuse yeah i think that it's like a very stereotypical like hollywood like greasy guy whose wife is now like uber successful and like sort of trying to make his bones on being you know the big man in charge nothing in the article was surprising i i feel like when the journalist spent like three paragraphs defending her self like I guess like they knew the article was coming and Alex Cooper and her company like sent very you know strongly worded legal letters like trying to get it to stop there's you really can't stop articles like this the most famous powerful people always like send their lawyers but it's like it's freedom of the press like it is what it is um and so they also were alleging that this journalist was in bed with Alex Earl because the journalist opens the whole article with this Alex Earl thing and she's weaving the Alex Earl thing throughout the episode throughout the article and i'm like oh thank god we're gonna find out what happened even she doesn't know so it was like she just kept baiting us with the alex earl thing and i would have thought you know weeks and months and interviews you would know maybe we would find some resolution as to what happened she was again and nobody knows yeah i wasn't getting like an alex earl angle i was getting

27:27Claudia Oshry:more so like they she was focusing on this like mean girl thing which is now like alex cooper's

27:31Jackie Oshry:like letter was alleging that this journalist was in bed with earl because one time she like

27:37Claudia Oshry:wrote a piece for airmail magazine yeah it was like a fluff piece like a what's in your bag sort

27:41Jackie Oshry:of thing that's just what these journalists do they have to pay their bills yeah and they like

27:45Claudia Oshry:wrote a letter like if this comes out like we will ruin you yeah and she's like this really young

27:50Jackie Oshry:novice journalist and she was just like sort of defending herself and i was just like why am i reading your diary it was like hit pieces never hit like i feel like the last couple of ones it's like that's all you got remember like the long-awaited ariel charnis one like there was so she didn't know how to pronounce Vivreau like it was so like we've lost the meaning of hippies

28:08Claudia Oshry:I yeah especially when there's so much hype for something I feel like when it comes out of nowhere and especially so in the last month I think you know the the veil has been pulled a little bit from behind call her daddy from unwell you know let's say even three months ago it was like the pinnacle of like girl boss feminism women supporting women fuck that man fuck men yeah and slowly like we've seen that that's like not the case like in her personal life and behind the ethos of the brand doesn't align right and so if this had dropped then it would have been more shocking the man runs the company and he does it in a mean way all of these things have been said over the past three months that now that you're saying them again it's like yeah we know what's new yeah welcome yeah like join us so it never like hit in a way where it was a major shock now Now, I'll also say, I think for us, it's like not a major shock because like people talk and like you've heard these things.

29:00Claudia Oshry:But yeah, I wonder if like for her fans, fans who listen to who really just like listen to her podcast, like believe everything that she's putting forth in the messaging and then to see this, like I would imagine that you're like, what? What? Yeah. Who is who am I listening to?

29:17Jackie Oshry:She then took a very, you know, interesting approach. which she didn't directly comment or even acknowledge the piece, but she was hella active on social media this weekend, which we've talked about this while dissecting the saga at great length is that she's really not an influencer. She does not share most of her life, anything personal. And she's managed to get away with being like a really successful creator podcaster without really sharing anything about herself or her life or her personal life, which is kind of a sleigh, honestly. And I think that either as a distraction or to sort of like garner good goodwill just like sharing she took this girl's trip and just like lots of bump pictures and dogs you know you know you're in trouble when you're pushing your dogs um so while she didn't directly acknowledge it it was kind of obvious that she was just like putting shit out there

30:04Claudia Oshry:yeah and that's like saying like I don't give a fuck like you're not getting a statement it's business as usual I'm having a great time I'm not like sitting in my house crying and I'm stressing out about this I think she like she probably knew the article was dropping so she decided to get away that's like a good thing to do especially like being pregnant and just like wanting to be like low stress and yeah because if she didn't post anything on friday which she probably wouldn't have if it was just a regular friday correct people would be like oh my god she's running scared when are we gonna hear from her the next thing she posted would have been like a big deal everyone reading into it and instead it's like it really neutralizes the bomb and it's it wasn't a

30:40Jackie Oshry:bomb a friday paywall like seriously i'll take that any day i agree but you know when when you don't go through like things like this often and all press about you is good press like this this might be the biggest bomb she's ever dealt with yes that's true um also what was the other thing i wanted to say i don't remember um they touched briefly on like sophia gate and um

31:10Claudia Oshry:the article had the same title as her book daddy issues which is not like the most unique

31:16Jackie Oshry:but it was weird just so yeah I didn't really notice but I guess that's just like the obvious

31:21Claudia Oshry:title for or also it's more like unwell is unwell yeah you know overall this saga you know Alex

31:31Jackie Oshry:Earl on like all of it do you think it has or will have like an overall like legitimate effect

31:38Claudia Oshry:on her or no her business her popularity no I don't I think that she has like transcended needing like public approval yeah and i think celebrities really like her i think like their pr teams like her i think they like the experience of going on call her daddy yeah it's a very premium experience you get like great content great clips you're asked the questions that you want to talk about and i think it like serves a need and she's like oh it's almost like ascended to this level of like cable like or like these late night shows that actually don't have a lot of viewers but like they serve a purpose in the larger ecosystem and like that's what she has and it doesn't necessarily matter if she's popular today or not like she is there she's set and

32:22Jackie Oshry:that's part of like her show not being about her so like when we talk about her not sharing anything or being yeah it's not about you so it's kind of works also about her husband because like he is he's the main topic in the article but like nobody cares he's not famous like whatever um no

32:42Claudia Oshry:but like the fact that she's like you know stands by for some of the stuff and is with someone who who is this way is just so incongruous with everything she's ever preached. Girl boss. Yeah. If we're worried about like congruousness.

32:54Jackie Oshry:Yes. Yes, that's true. I feel like the article and like people are, they talk a lot about Unwell and I will say like overall, Unwell has like I think certain elements of it that like do well, but overall, I don't know, they're like a podcast network, they're an events company, they make drinks. They make reality TV. Right. I think that it's actually like a poorly run company. Like I don't think he's doing a good job. And one of the really only successful elements of it is call her daddy, which like, I think she runs entirely and he doesn't,

33:22Claudia Oshry:it's not even like a successful element. It's not like unwell built that. And correct. So it's just like a separate entity.

33:30Jackie Oshry:Yeah. And that's why she's like, if you work for call her daddy, you'll work with Alex. Yeah.

33:34Claudia Oshry:And I don't even think of call her daddy as part of unwell, which is really crazy. Yeah, I know. I actually, I feel like it might not even be in some way. Like it might be like licensed to unwell, you know what I mean? but still hers because if she actually made it part of unwell and then that's his and she actually didn't call her dad not just like unwell which is the thing that they're building together fine

33:53Jackie Oshry:build it together well if they're married like it would be half oh no i guess if she started it before right how does it work yeah it should be hers yeah that would be bad that would be crazy

34:04Claudia Oshry:them having unwell together 50 like that makes sure they're working on it together and by the

34:09Jackie Oshry:way he's doing a lot of work apparently i just feel like unwell is like not worth the trouble i feel like this happens a lot with like celebrity started brands where it's like i don't know why just being a successful podcaster and building a successful media company around just call her daddy like wasn't enough and why they had to go and do all this they have like i think almost 100 employees like that's fucking crazy like for what like just be a podcaster like and that's still to this day like really what you are and like what the company is known for is call her daddy all these things like really was it worth the hip piece no i i don't know but it also like allows

34:41Claudia Oshry:you if it goes well it allows you to like not have to work so hard one day yeah but i think

34:47Jackie Oshry:she likes working hard at like the thing the one thing yeah the yeah the thing call her show her

34:53Claudia Oshry:show and yeah but she is also she does a lot for like these events and stuff and like you know

34:57Jackie Oshry:just putting like yeah no like putting her like for what i don't know i don't maybe no like if

35:03Claudia Oshry:That was me. Like you would not catch me working that hard. Maybe all of this like will make her reassess. Maybe like becoming a mother will make her reassess like, you know, where she wants to invest her time. She's just like in too deep a little bit now to shut down operations of Unwell. And I'm sure like so much money has gone into it because like it's operates at like such a high level. Right.

35:25Jackie Oshry:And that$125 million deal she got from Sirius XM like is for Unwell. Yeah. It's to, you know, create shows. oh an interesting piece from the article that i didn't know was that phoebe gates like low-key drama dropa the burt drama oh sorry i thought you said low-key dropa the unwell show with phoebe gates and her like co-founder we were talking about them last week fia bill gates's daughter she's like this entrepreneur if you watch love that later she had like a podcast and i was saying how weird it is that like this is phoebe gates bill gates's daughter one of their first guests was chris jenner like a business podcast about chris jenner sign me up this podcast I can't get arrested I see it everywhere with three views like it's just not popular and the article was like unwell let us know or release a statement that like burnouts is not coming back for season two while burnouts let us know they're actively looking for a new network interessant yeah interessant watch the space watch the space weird I feel like when we were talking maybe a few weeks ago about like what's coming up for Alex Cooper we were talking about this big article and then Sophia's book and it would sort of be like a falling of the dominoes I don't really feel I didn't see a lot of people talking about it again Friday drop behind a paywall

36:34Claudia Oshry:I actually don't think I saw anyone talking about it I saw like a couple of like and a lot of people

36:38Jackie Oshry:are very excited to like talk about Alex Cooper and like bring her down because they think that like it somehow makes them feel better like there is a huge element of jealousy from like other women like creators I saw like a bunch of women doing like here's everything from the article that you I read it so you didn't have to there's a lot of that so some of the gonna like

36:56Claudia Oshry:cherry pick the things that sound the most outrageous but like if you actually read the whole thing there's not and especially because we have the it was already neutralized we knew this

37:08Jackie Oshry:yeah you know we knew it yeah I guess there's still the book and I feel like when we talk about Alex Cooper holistically at a glance like her biggest crime like if we're gonna is Sophia The original sin. It has always been Sophia. The original sin. I love that. Yeah. So I feel like when the world starts talking about that, there's much more to pick from in terms of her crimes. Yeah.

37:31Claudia Oshry:Also, don't forget Alex Earl's show talking about the drama. Oh, another domino. Yeah. I think that's the only thing. Because also, as much as I read Sophia's book, you know, Support a Fellow Swirly, I don't know that the audience here wants to read a whole ass book on this. Agreed. They want a soundbite. Maybe someone will clip the audio book or something. But like this has all been done snackably. And no one's reading a whole book.

37:59Jackie Oshry:Yeah, but it's also like I don't think people care as much. People like live for the Alex Earl, Alex Cooper. Like the Sophia stuff, maybe it's because like it's so long ago. Or like everyone really just took her side. And I think people maybe still stand by what she did. But like people aren't as moved by that as we were.

38:16Claudia Oshry:Yeah. Yeah, I agree. so that's the Vanity Fair article do better oh I also wanted to ask you one more question

38:27Jackie Oshry:who you're talking to what do you think is the should be like the ethics policy around writing a hit piece that's not like you know if she was out here murdering or like that's not really necessary on a pregnant person pregnant woman Sorry, yeah, pregnant woman.

38:52Claudia Oshry:I mean, I have a different moral code than journalism.

38:58Jackie Oshry:And I feel like in terms of what was actually alleged in here, it wasn't necessarily need to know information. Honestly, I mean, journalists are going to journal.

39:07Claudia Oshry:But for me, this lukewarm piece didn't need to come out. and especially because she's pregnant but they don't care i also want to say like

39:19Jackie Oshry:investigating someone's whole life for weeks talking to old friends colleagues and this is the worst when you think about it at a glance like like they kind of sound like nice people like honestly like that's the worst that you got he was like yelling at other co-workers and like yes i do think workplace like toxic workplace allegations are very subjective because it's like yeah there's a power dynamic these were you can

39:46Claudia Oshry:just these were the worst things he made their assistant change her name because it was that

39:50Jackie Oshry:okay by the way that is an old rumor started by Dumois that Alex Cooper has actually addressed saying how absurd it is and the article just recirculated the fact that this rumor once existed they did not confirm or deny it and I actually feel like it's not true thank you for

40:05Claudia Oshry:for that clarity asked an employee about their sex life but like isn't it a sex positive you're

40:12Jackie Oshry:gluck company right seriously it's gluck gluck incorporated what the fuck do you guys expect and you guys loved that about her so much that you went to work for gluck gluck like what are we talking about it's true it's true it's a sex positive company yeah it is that's like the whole point it's a whole point so yeah i agree so yeah if this is like all the wind up i actually think

40:37Claudia Oshry:like at a yeah if this is the worst of it all not so bad but you know what I feel like for her being pregnant like knowing this was coming it's kind of just better to have it out be done with it instead of like the waiting and like the wondering what's in there like now she can just deal with it however she wants and like I think sometimes like the waiting is worse absolutely that was like Lucy and and tell me lies not wonder knowing when it's going to come out of course it always comes back to lucy are you ready for our next story yes kyle cook and ex amanda batula were spotted smiling and laughing together days after his bombshell people magazine interview about their split so pictures emerged out of nowhere paparazzi photos of like kyle and amanda like thriving leaving i thought it was an old photo um they just look like so happy and not to say that they're together but like we haven't seen her smile in months and so here's what happened so kyle and amanda filmed the in the city reunion and afterwards the whole crew went to a bar amanda was like with kyle you know because they're friends and he's looking out for her and then as they were leaving kyle said that like he made a joke to her like imagine the paparazzi spotted us leaving together and as they walked out there were cameras there so they both started laughing laughing and we got these like funny candid photos very beautiful very beautiful the lighting's amazing she looks like truly happy thank god she actually in like recent photos has has been looking so depressed oh I guess Wes Wilson on his podcast that nobody listens to

42:06Jackie Oshry:said that he wanted the Knicks to lose on Saturday because the next game would be on Tuesday which is when that like summer house bonus episode airs and so it would just be really helpful for him if everybody was watching something else besides that and um like thank god they didn't I guess

42:19Claudia Oshry:everyone's free tomorrow yeah also Lindsay Hubbard then like got so mad what did she say she called him trash for like hoping people would skip their episode I guess that does make him like

42:28Jackie Oshry:a bad worker bad friend yeah I also heard that Lindsay Hubbard is dating Dustin Lynch this

42:32Claudia Oshry:country singer I love that you hear that no I didn't but I'm gonna go into one of his concerts

42:37Jackie Oshry:because you know she like spends a lot of time in Nashville she went to like this private concert

42:40Claudia Oshry:I don't know oh I love it she said West Wilson you are trash trying to get people to not watch our show that I brought you on you should move immediately she said it's so true this is like the show that Lindsay Hubbard built brother you get paid for that episode just be thankful you still have a paycheck from our show oh slay not for long um so yeah these were like cute photos like happy like I don't need it to be all bad all hate all the time for her like no same like I

43:08Jackie Oshry:I watched Sierra on Love Island like she is so in a different stratosphere like let the poor girl smile okay no you don't have to let the mouse go but like it's okay like you know what it's kind of now like I stopped feeling bad for Ariana Maddox in Scandamall because it's like you're so rich and famous now and you got rid of this enormous loser in your life. No it was win win win win. The best thing that ever happened to her. It is the best thing to ever happen to Sierra. This is finally this is a person who was never going to get over West like literally never but he did the thing that she can't ignore great you're free you're rich and you're famous.

43:44Claudia Oshry:Yeah and you sniffed out a rat in your midst too. Oh yes yes. Yeah and for sure it hurts like when it happens and then like once like the shock wears off and the opportunities roll in like okay let's you're too booked and too busy yeah to really think about it yeah are you ready for our next story three number three yep emily radikowski penned an essay for the cut about um the end of her marriage and her single era and she makes a shocking confession about her sex life with her ex-husband sebastian bear mcclard mcclard if you thought i wasn't gonna pick an article about sebastian bear mcclard you were wrong and also it's kind of tea filled one thing about Jackie is she is not gonna let Sebastian

44:26Jackie Oshry:Bear McClard sleep no I will not she keeps her foot on his neck he is so integral to the lore

44:35Claudia Oshry:of the show you would not be turdy without and I don't think if Emily Ratajkowski had not married Sebastian Bear this random person this you would not be turdy and I don't think it gets talked

44:48Jackie Oshry:about enough that literally last summer I met Sebastian Bear McClark we took a picture together he told us that he knew about the lord of the podcast like this show's impact is just never

44:59Claudia Oshry:ending like really so now we're getting like more information from their divorce I didn't realize

45:03Jackie Oshry:they were married for four years like yeah it happened quickly it was also crazy because when they met and dated and got married she was like the hottest thing in terms of like popularity and everyone was like, who will she date? Who will she date? And she dated this like fucking random nobody and like the whole saga, like the arc of it was so strange.

45:23Claudia Oshry:It was strange, but I actually don't think he was like such a random nobody because he's tall. He's taller than her and she's tall. And he's friends with famous people. And he's friends with famous people and he's very handsome.

45:34Jackie Oshry:And I just feel like he's an heir. No, but like the name, Sebastian Bear McClare, like we hadn't heard it. He was not famous.

45:40Claudia Oshry:No, no, we hadn't heard it, but oh yeah, he was random.

45:43Jackie Oshry:People were shipping her with Zac Efron. He was random in that sense.

45:46Claudia Oshry:Yes. In terms of being unknown. But you know, the models, they like to go for like a business, like a.

45:51Jackie Oshry:Yeah.

45:52Claudia Oshry:In the background.

45:52Jackie Oshry:Remember when they like were squatting in their apartment and like refused to pay rent? Yeah, and refused to pay rent, of course. As some sort of like political. Statement. Yeah. Statement.

46:00Claudia Oshry:But it's like, girl, pay your rent. We do. Yeah. No, that was very defiant and brave of them.

46:06Jackie Oshry:Extremely.

46:06Claudia Oshry:So she said that she stopped having sex with her ex-husband six months after their son, Sylvester, was born. and then six months later they divorced. Got divorced. So yeah, it's all about, she wrote this essay for The Cut, including a photo of her breastfeeding a doll. And it's all about, you know, her divorce, her transition and her single era. It's pretty, it's pretty. Detailed? Detailed, yeah, I would say so. She said her marriage collapsed over a period that felt both instant and excruciatingly slow. apparently he cheated on her. That's what the sources have said. I think we knew that.

46:47Jackie Oshry:I think we did too. That he's a serial cheater is what an insider said.

46:51Claudia Oshry:Then she talked about, you know, being a divorced woman, dating as a single mother, what she thought it was going to be, how she went through like sort of a big sex era. She talks about a bunch of the different guys that she dated. She said there was a vegan graffiti artist, a chef who thought he might have chlamydia.

47:10Jackie Oshry:Bobby Fly.

47:11Claudia Oshry:That's so Bobby Flay. A Spanish Gen Zer who couldn't stop sending nudes. A heavily self-medicated son of a billionaire with questionable politics. Several Italians. And of course, another DJ. She said the list goes on. I'm sorry, wait. We have to go back to the billionaire son. Say it again. A heavily self-medicated son of a billionaire with questionable politics. Several Italians. Oh, then comma. Then there's also several Italians that she dated. A billionaire's son. I feel like it's like someone like the guy that Camila Cabello was just dating. So funny. I was thinking of the same thing. Or like the one that Ana de Armas.

47:46Claudia Oshry:She dated like a Cuban like politician. Son. Son. The son. So maybe he's a billionaire. Of a dictator. He was a dictator now that I recall. Thank you. Yes. So that was controversial.

48:00Jackie Oshry:Okay. One thing about me is like I don't keep up with Emily Ratajkowski. No. I do keep up with Sebastian Bear though. I feel like happy and pleasant in my life because of that decision. Like I thought I, you guys are sick of me talking about this, but I find like her whole brand of like being a writer who always shows her boobs. Like I don't look at her boobs. Don't look because she's a writer. Feminist and a writer and don't look and brass. Yeah. I, I am very off put by like her whole thing yeah it's not me we don't talk enough that she made out with her it's not me it's her yeah it is her so sorry that happened wishing you well good luck good luck there are a lot of like bids and bobs in this article you would hate it you would actually hate it when her book of essays came out like it was floated to me like you should read that book and it's like I actually should not.

49:02Jackie Oshry:No, you should not. You should not listen to that podcast. Speaking of, I still have Lena Dunham's book unopened on my nightstand. It is on my list of things to do. I feel pretty good about the fact that like the hoopla is over. So like whenever I pick it up, I pick it up. Nothing's going to get spoiled. Like it's all good.

49:16Claudia Oshry:Yeah, speaking of people that we love, Molly Mae and Tommy Fury had a boy and the name was revealed at his big fight this weekend and the name is Midas. It's actually crazy.

49:30Jackie Oshry:So many things. One, that both of their babies have been born like around the time. I don't think he fights that much. Yeah. Around the time of a big fight, which is just like really inconvenient.

49:38Claudia Oshry:Or maybe he like spends the whole time that she's pregnant like training so that he's like. Right. And then he's like, oh, I'm looking for a fight.

49:44Jackie Oshry:Two, it's crazy that she went to the fight wearing a bodycon white dress two weeks after giving birth. No, no.

49:50Claudia Oshry:That's crazy.

49:52Jackie Oshry:I don't know which part is crazier, like the bodycon or the white?

49:54Claudia Oshry:I think the bodycon is crazy. and like I just it's just like so not the Molly that we know you know it's not necessary it's not necessary and it's like I would love to know more about that moment and that choice maybe we'll see

50:09Jackie Oshry:it on season three I think that we will maybe and she'll be yelling at everyone while she tries to

50:13Claudia Oshry:find a dress I know that we will and that's why we love her and she'll be like crying and she can't find something to wear and she's like probably when and she was so miserable and their name they did have a son by the way not a daughter um and the name is Midas so let me think about it Now, what I did realize is they all have five-letter names. Molly, Tommy, Bambi, Midas. Oh, was that a thing? For them. I don't think it was a thing until they must have realized, and now Midas really does fit. Now, people have said, like, you know, the lore of King Midas is, like, not an amazing story. It's kind of cursed.

50:45Claudia Oshry:It's not an amazing story. But what does the name Midas mean? Mighty?

50:51Jackie Oshry:I think it means gold. Also, I just want to quickly circle back to—

50:54Claudia Oshry:Does it mean gold or like King Midas just liked gold? Everything he touched turned to gold. But that doesn't mean the name Midas means gold. Yeah, yeah. He's a legendary king in Greek and Roman mythology, famous for being granted the ability to turn everything into gold. But it wasn't a good thing. Like he turned his daughter into a statue.

51:16Jackie Oshry:I just want to quickly go back to something I said about Lindsay Hubbard dating Dustin Lynch because I'm not caught up on In the City. Apparently she talked about it on the show, said they made out. So like I wasn't just making that up. It was legit.

51:25Claudia Oshry:And why not like pursue it further? I'm not sure. So taking out like, you know, the end of the King Midas story. I like, if you just look at the name, Midas, you know, M-I-D-A-S.

51:37Jackie Oshry:I like it. I guess the theme of their baby names is like more mythical creatures. Like that's a good theme. It works with Bambi, Bambi and Midas.

51:48Claudia Oshry:So cute.

51:48Jackie Oshry:I think in the States, somebody might not use the name Midas because it's a brand of tires. but that doesn't apply is that different from mavis yeah midas tires and they their slogan is they've got the midas touch okay midas tires near me you don't know midas tires are there midas are you sure it's midas not mavis i'm like a hundred percent sure midas.com tires for sale or it's like an auto shop yeah yeah yeah yeah perhaps in the states

52:22Claudia Oshry:they would not but um yeah very very happy for them like muzzle top i'm really that was so shocked

52:28Jackie Oshry:that she went to the fight yeah same i hope she's home resting cozy nesting it looks like she was

52:33Claudia Oshry:like based on her stories can't wait for next season of behind the scenes or whatever what's it called i don't know behind it all maybe is her is her brand i call me maybe i think it's called like behind it all behind it all something like that are you ready for our next story what number four can you tell me like the order of so four is a story and then five is goes into love island recap it's like new love island news and recap well you know what let me tell you that the

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58:26Claudia Oshry:You're welcome. Our next story, Kiki Palmer and Sean, Evans fuel romance buzz with the New York City date so after we discuss the potential of these two possibly connecting Kiki Palmer further fuel dating rumors after being spotted on a date with Hot Ones host Sean Evans in New York City according to TMZ the duo were seen having dinner at Italian

58:48Jackie Oshry:restaurant Lucali in Brooklyn on Friday night no I'm scared like I really worry that he like she doesn't like him because we know he likes her like he's been so forward um and so it's really about like whether she likes him like because once she likes him we're good um and you always want to be in the situation as a woman like the man is chasing like you are playing hard to get i love i really hope she likes him i don't know why i'm like scared i have a lot riding on this there's two ships right now that like i'm on and i'm really hoping set sail this is one of them and then breck oldstein and jennifer lopez i'm also like really riding for um so i just have a lot invested in this as a Kiki Palmer number one fan so I'm scared I feel like she's gonna like him

59:30Claudia Oshry:I feel like they like each other so I just hope like you know everything else that it takes in order to form a relationship sort of clicks in yeah I feel like this is a little bit of a departure

59:39Jackie Oshry:from her usual type and I think this is also the first time she's been in like a public relationship where the other person is famous too so I hope she likes the experience like I hope she likes everything I hope you know the person who like took a picture didn't ruin it like maybe she hates this like she's never really had and the one time her relationship was public was when like her man was saying something about what she wore to the usher concert like i'm scared right right right

59:59Claudia Oshry:no i think it's good to try something different in general like try something new and i i'm wishing them the best i just know he would like treat her like a queen and also like this is what we asked for like just go on a date see what happens so like they did that maybe and who even knows maybe it's not their first date right so so so so i'm nervous i'm excited but nervous yeah excited but nervous like optimistic cautiously i don't want to put too much pressure on them no of course not

1:00:32Jackie Oshry:of course not well never never but what do you feel like i feel like kiki palmer i feel like you and i have like a list of people when we're talking about like our dream guests or like people who we love and you know it kind of ebbs and flows some people you love and then you like get over them i feel like kiki palmer is such like a mainstay on our favorites like we've been favoriting her for like ever yeah this is a nice feeling she's a stable force in our lives yeah

1:00:55Claudia Oshry:she is and it's just it's not the only person to ever make it off the dream list it's not a phase it was never a phase no no okay let's get into our fifth and final story in love island recap because we have some news coming out of After Sun. Love Island USA's Sean Reifel reacts to Mayer's comments after leaving the villa. I felt sick.

1:01:16Jackie Oshry:I felt sick. And I have to say, one thing about me is I'm not going to watch After Sun. I've never watched After Sun. To me, the day off that they give us is too important. I will be taking that day off. I have to catch up on sleep, on email. I have to eat. I just can't. I will be watching any relevant clips or reading the article. Absolutely. So I saw like, you know, some things Bea said. I saw, yes, the mayor. I saw the pertinent clips, but I'm sorry. I cannot physically devote more time.

1:01:44Claudia Oshry:But it also seems like the strategy this year for Aftersun is like, when the person comes out of the villa, let's like tell them like the lore of what's going on on social media and get their reaction because they did that for Sean and Bea. I saw a clip of Bea's sister telling her that everybody on the internet thinks she's lesbian. Yeah, so I think we're going to get like a lot of that from Aftersun, which is like good content. So first Sean reacts to the video. He, they film him like watching the video of the mayor, which we've discussed at length of the mayor saying how disappointing it is that they've trained up this guy and that he would go in love Island and the police force is competing with love Island.

1:02:14Jackie Oshry:And he was so confused. He was like, what are you talking? I literally did what I was told.

1:02:17Claudia Oshry:Yeah. So he said, um, sorry, this is Sean's comments. Sean said, what did Sean say? He said, I guess he's upset. That's interesting. I definitely had to sit down with my job and told them exactly where I was going and what was happening. and they asked me to put in for unpaid leave. It does bother me because they just, before I left, gave me awards for like with my partners, taking a lady out of a building on fire and talking someone off a roof that was mentally ill. So it's like to give me those and then do something like this, I just don't understand. Or, you know, the mayor would say like, you got those and then you went on Love Island.

1:02:51Claudia Oshry:But okay.

1:02:52Jackie Oshry:Are you the mayor?

1:02:53Claudia Oshry:No, I just like, sounds like you're an amazing police officer. Like seriously. And you gave all of that up to spit in someone's mouth. And like be the first person sent home. And like the better officer that you are, like the worst decision, the worst the decision seems to leave it to go on Love Island. I will say it definitely does sound like a lapse in judgment. Like you should tell us that you were the worst police officer, that you didn't have a knack for the job. That it wasn't a fit. It wasn't a fit and you wanted to try something new because then I would understand. But like you were amazing at your job.

1:03:23Claudia Oshry:You left behind such a legacy. You were saving lives. How many lives were lost while you went to VG?

1:03:27Jackie Oshry:A thousand percent. um it was really sad like I can't think too hard about Sean it really makes me upset it does and

1:03:35Claudia Oshry:like I'm I'm upset that I'm upset too because I'm like no he had to go like he is a father first of all and by the way I'm going to judge all parents equally and not equally but like I'm I'm judging the dads as much as I'm judging the moms like to go on this show that is so vulgar so like not family friendly so like you don't even want your parents to see you doing this and like to do that with the child in the world I just think is like really there are so many other shows he could go

1:04:01Jackie Oshry:on if you really I agree like I'm not I just want to say I'm not judging the same as women

1:04:06Claudia Oshry:no I'll judge them harsher I will but I'm judging the fathers harshly as well of course yeah no it's

1:04:13Jackie Oshry:disgusting and the thing that I'm realizing about this show is that I feel that I am very easily manipulated by the editing of it and I think that there's so much footage that it really makes it very easy for the editors to just like show us what they want and it's crazy how like in one episode they have me hating bea and then the next episode like they made me like her like i never hated her i really did i feel like i'm very easily manipulated by them and so like maybe you know sean is a great guy maybe he's not like i really don't know and that's why like the voting having us vote and then watch an episode and then one more like when the results come in it's like it's so manipulative because they show us one thing to get results and then they show us something else that fuck up those results, you know?

1:04:55Jackie Oshry:We all voted for Jen and Gabriel. And everyone seems confused as to why Jen and Gabriel would be put up as a couple. And it's like, well, you made us hate Bea. And then you only showed Jen talking to Gabriel.

1:05:05Claudia Oshry:No, but it's like, and we didn't know that that meant Bea would go home. But it's like, yeah, Jen, like, see, but who else will be voted Jen for? Now, if we had known how it was going to go down, we could have voted Jen and Corbin. Because - That is what now everyone's saying. We should have done. Well, yeah, but they knew how to manipulate us. And also like, so we had three people who were vulnerable. We've never had one of the vulnerables then ask the other to be in a couple. Like they did that to make Melanie and Corbin a couple in front of Soul and Sincere's face and like keep the story moving.

1:05:34Claudia Oshry:We are not in control. The producers are in control because even if we coupled up Jen and Corbin, which would have only made Melanie vulnerable, she would not have been sent home. She would have been single in the villa. It's whatever they want. So like it genuinely doesn't matter. And America voting in that was the same as if the bombshells got to pick their new partners, which is what they usually get to do. They usually get to pick their partner. Jen would have picked Gabe. We didn't do anything crazy. The only time it was crazy was when we put Iris with Jeremiah, who was like in a serious couple.

1:06:05Claudia Oshry:Iconic, one of the best things we've ever done. But like, of course, Soul would have picked Sincere. So the America Vote, we didn't really fuck anything up. We did what would have happened organically.

1:06:11Jackie Oshry:Yes, and you're right. The show really rewards craziness. So Melanie was never going home, even though Melanie's not even my number one op right now. Like she is definitely a crazy person, a very emotional person, really immature. But sincere is a genuine bad guy. I hate. Like this is, I hate.

1:06:34Claudia Oshry:Hate.

1:06:34Jackie Oshry:And like sincere.

1:06:35Claudia Oshry:Soul like makes me so sad. I feel so strongly for her.

1:06:42Jackie Oshry:Every time she's on my screen. Fuck this villa. First of all, the girls are bitches. I and seriously Kenzie is the only one who sat her down was like by the way and I think it must have been worse in like in the villa than we realized because Kenzie to go out of ray and be like I just want to let you know like if you need someone I'm here if you that means she had no one to talk to and I think while her and Jen came in together like Jen's not having the same experience as her like so it's hard for her to relate and I don't think that there's like a lot of depth in their friendship she has no one all the girls are so fucking up Melanie's ass like sorry Anaya you were my favorite loser um trendy loser like the way they're so obsessed with Melanie and it's like Melanie this Melanie that it's like girl what are you talking about and I'm sorry Bea was the only

1:07:20Claudia Oshry:one who was like holding Melanie accountable yeah and when Bea said like they're pying soul for all these things that they should be pying Melanie for and like the pying thing it gets to a point the show is so humiliating like and even in the challenge that we watched last night when they're having like the ketchup and the mustard like hot dogs and the hot dogs like they actually want to seriously embarrass these people it's real and they have such a good attitude about it but I can understand why if it's your first day you're already feeling ostracized and now everyone's like telling you we hate you and here's pies in your face like it's actually something out of like

1:07:51Jackie Oshry:a 90s high school like humiliation hazing yeah it's a hazing and I don't know why they the

1:07:58Claudia Oshry:producers want to humiliate the contestants like this I it just is so awkward like I can't even imagine like Sierra and Teffy like watching these girls get like pied in the face like

1:08:07Jackie Oshry:who is that empowering so also um yes 1000 this is reminding me a lot of last season where like the og villagers have this like really toxic bond with one another because yes everyone was pying soul for shit that should have been in melanie's fucking face and the fact that not every single person dumped their slime on sincere is how you know the show is fucking rigged he got slimed like literally once maybe twice when every question was about him yeah yeah i hate him wait

1:08:35Claudia Oshry:And I just want to say like soul and Sean.

1:08:40Jackie Oshry:Soul and like literally anyone. I'm sorry. These guys are just disgusting. First of all, I'm there's now it's funny how they, they really can make you love or hate. I hate everyone. Now Zach saying that thing in bed, like Kata now I think likes him more than she, he likes her him being like, I don't know if we should do stuff. Cause like, what if someone comes in? It's like, who's thinking like that? Well,

1:08:58Claudia Oshry:I think what he meant and he's like saying all the wrong things. And like, yeah. And he doesn't deserve her. Someone who's like so committed to him. and like it isn't looking left or right but I think what he meant is like someone could come in and it's out of our control if we couple up with him just like how America put sincere and soul in a couple like he could one of them could wind up in a different couple just based on how the game goes not even because that's what he wants and it will it not be weird like try and apparently now if you're in a new couple you have to say goodbye to the person you used to like and and make a go of this like that's new so yeah say he wound up one of them wound up in a new couple and they have to make a go of it and like America's breaking up Zach and Kada would that not be weird if they've had sex I think it was like a stupid thing because it's like even if America breaks you up like you what you would say I'm not having sex with anyone and you could also say like I'll fight for you until we're back together because there will be another recoupling they'll have a choice again and like even if I wound up with someone else like I'm coming back to you yeah Kenzie's pissing me off like everyone's pissing me off what's her what's up with kenzie she's so weird like she doesn't talk to anyone about her feeling like the girls first of all like we have no idea what's going through her head and she's like really struggling between these two connections no she's not struggling she doesn't even like caleb no i need to send someone for caleb they do caleb and soul um i think no caleb like her head is telling her caleb like it's what she's like it's obvious and he's very nice and he very much likes her and but like her heart and her vagina are telling her Corbin.

1:10:32Claudia Oshry:She like really likes Corbin.

1:10:34Jackie Oshry:Corbin is so creepy. Can I get a kiss? Can I get a kiss? Like he's so freaky.

1:10:41Claudia Oshry:I understand Corbin you want a kiss. There are other ways to go about it than saying can I get a kiss. Like even use other words like. Yes you know he uses the same sentence. May I kiss you?

1:10:49Jackie Oshry:I would love to kiss you right now. He is so spooky to me. And even when he's talking about real stuff he's like I'm a videographer. Like kind of. What? what do you do for work he's like i know i know and he was like i've always been really creative like when i was a kid we had this art box

1:11:11Jackie Oshry:and she's like wow really he was like yeah and it makes sense because now i'm like creative like i do like videography kind of and she's like no way that's perfect because like he's like i like to make movies she was like i like to write movies who likes to write movies melanie

1:11:31Jackie Oshry:she was like i'd love to do like she was like i love to do like storyboards he was like oh wow we're like yin and yang because like i need a videographer and i'm like i thought you just said you were a videographer like is this a job interview it was dead ass art box it was one of the craziest conversations like and i feel for i don't feel for anyone i take that back like i hate all i only feel for so like i'm genuinely going to cry tears soon for soul for soul i got very very close when she was like man fuck this villa when right after she got pied by zach and i feel bad for zach because i don't think he was like intending to he was sort of like the straw after like a bad day but like nobody knows her so it's like how are you even pying her you haven't taken three seconds to get to know her even KC who was like one of the only people interested in talking to her didn't so it's like wait literally no one is even acknowledging her but they all like her too yeah and I mean she's like a bombshell amazing to look at like I love her like I feel so sick and you know what I hope she shows that one fucking ounce of loyalty to any of these girls go for KC yeah go for sincere go for everyone because not one of them has given her the motherfucking time of day she does her makeup alone she cries alone fuck these girls seriously no it's so so upsetting disappointed in a couple of them like trinity i thought she was nicer than

1:12:53Claudia Oshry:that honestly she always looks like she's on the verge of tears who wouldn't be it's really hard to watch and now she's like with sincere who's such a piece of shit oh i want to throw she by

1:13:04Jackie Oshry:the way she's too good for the shit on his shoe i hope she runs from him and like he is lying to

1:13:09Claudia Oshry:everyone like saying I'm not exploring I talking to soul I'm so happy to be with you and then saying to you know I wish I wasn't with her like it's really disgusting he has lost all like credibility to me he's so insincere it's insane that that's his name it's also interesting that like he doesn't realize that he's the villain because there was a a question in the challenge which was like who do you think America like dislikes or something who's the villain and

1:13:40Jackie Oshry:and they poured it on Bryce like okay oh wait because like Bryce spoke to Kada and it's like they have no idea like sincere yeah I actually haven't been like following along on Twitter so

1:13:54Claudia Oshry:much because like the episodes end so late and I just go to sleep um but what love soul it's

1:13:59Jackie Oshry:devastating it's devastating it's actually like on a human level like very hard and sad to watch

1:14:04Claudia Oshry:i need the producers but they won't do anything kind to anyone because they're actually like evil individuals but i need them to i know she just feels so alone i need them to go into the hotel of bombshells and waiting in their rooms and grab sean and grab like the perfect person for soul

1:14:19Jackie Oshry:oh i was thinking that too there's a couple of people like i think that once you're in the bombshell like hotel they ask you i think they show you pictures of the contestants you watch Who's your type? You watch the show. Oh, do you?

1:14:30Claudia Oshry:Yeah, up until a point. I think you see like up until like two days before you go on or whatever.

1:14:34Jackie Oshry:So they know who's coming in like with eyes for X. And so, yeah, they need to bring someone hot as fuck in for soul. And nice and kind hearted. And you know what? They actually need to bring someone in for Melanie too. So nobody likes sincere. Well, no, she likes Corbin.

1:14:51Claudia Oshry:Corbin likes Kenzie. Does he? He does like Melanie, but like, is he like capable of like? I mean robots need love too I know I just feel like he doesn't have like a lot of feelings It's crazy that him and Kenzie are like so connected And that they can't quit each other AI chatbots need love Yeah Kenzie is like very surprised She's not Surprising Yeah and I like her too but it's weird

1:15:16Jackie Oshry:I feel like I don't know her at all She was supposed to be like our you know Designated southern sweetheart And she's kind of messing everything up because her and Caleb are obviously like were meant to be put together. I think the show thought that they would. And so now he's sort of left and he's not making any other connections.

1:15:37Claudia Oshry:No, he's like so mature. I do understand that he's 21 and like that's weird for her because that's really young. It is. But like it's just the villa. You know, none of you guys are going to be together after this. I just want you to know like. Don't worry. It's not that serious. Zero. How many couples are still together from last season? Just Iris and TJ. TJ. and they weren't even like barely together on the show. Yeah. And I mean, I'll say it. Oh, and Nicolandria. Yeah. Like obligatory Nicolandria, but like that's not a couple.

1:16:03Jackie Oshry:Obligatory Nicolandria.

1:16:04Claudia Oshry:That's a business arrangement.

1:16:05Jackie Oshry:I just want to say, I also, I need them to send someone in who's like number one choice is Bryce. I feel like he has a lot of love to give and nowhere to put it. Like Trinity does not like him.

1:16:14Claudia Oshry:They're very confusing. And I also feel like you can tell a lot from a couple by like what they do at night. Like do they kiss? Do they cuddle? And Bryce and Trinity, like they make out. do they yeah and then also i think bae has said on after son like she really likes him like they are very much into each other but it's like you know i'm glad to hear that but like it is weird when every conversation is like do you like me show me you like me from both of them both of them feel like the other doesn't like them something's not working yeah i don't know i don't know what it is and then also like with bryce and kata like yeah that was cringe but like i saw a tweet that was like he did in a respectful way he like and i understand what he's saying which is like you know if he winds up single or like something happens like you do have to try and and you know go down every path so like he looked down there and she said no and great I

1:17:02Jackie Oshry:just want to say I don't know if I'm alone in this I had not one problem with him doing that he did it so respectfully that's exactly what you're supposed to do and like everyone in the village is just annoying because they like encourage people to explore and then they get mad at people who explore it's like which fucking one do you want and Zach and Kada they're every single one of their problems would be solved if they just closed off yeah and it's him who won't and it gives me pause and i think it's a red flag yeah well they're going to the hideaway i wonder if they'll steal the deal and like if you go to the hideaway and have sex and you still don't close off well then that's a new girl you know okay yeah you know like yeah so maybe they'll

1:17:44Claudia Oshry:have sex and i was getting the vibe that like she was so excited to have sex like he wasn't like oh well also the producers want us to think that he's gay for Bryce okay because the audience I would love that the audience is like you know shipping the two of them shipping the edits Zach and Bryce and also they do have like a best friendship in the house even the girls walk past they're like it's everyone's favorite bromance like they do have like a special friendship and now producers like see that so they're like showing us more of that they showed us like Zach with the hot dogs like very closely um they're really trying to like play up like play into that that Zach is gay

1:18:17Jackie Oshry:If I thought that like they were into one another, like I would say like, yeah, like that's an exciting plot twist. Let's do it. I don't think that they are.

1:18:24Claudia Oshry:So like, let's stop wasting our time. Having them seem like, having him seem like reticent about sex with Kada, like feeds into. It's because he's thinking about Bryce. Zach and Bryce are the Nicolandria of this season. Like the unlikely two who people are shipping. You've seen that, yes? Yes. And now producers are playing into it. Yeah. So maybe. I think it's fake. Maybe he does. I think it's fake, much like Nicolandria. Yeah. I think they're just friends but then people are like finding all this stuff from the social media that's like yes I actually did see a couple of things from Zach's social media that were leaning queer yes yes so it's not impossible maybe it's not so fake yeah or like or even when Kata was like I'm so excited to go to the hideaway with Zach and have all of his attention you know like Bryce won't be there she literally said that but I also feel like it could be like producers being like people are like making a lot of jokes about their friendship like make a joke yeah but they're definitely although they play into like fan theories a lot it's annoying because the fans

1:19:19Jackie Oshry:are dumb yeah sometimes it's funny and sometimes it's just straight up dumb yeah and like i was like why don't you play into like the fan theories of like bringing sean back like that's the type

1:19:28Claudia Oshry:of shit we like sending melanie home fan theory getting sincere out of there actually i don't want melanie to go home yet no no i actually right now my problem is not with melanie it's genuinely with she's a genuine crazy person i'm not fatigued of her yet like with hood it got to a point that like it was not good it was evil among us but melanie still has like much to give to this villa i don't want her to go home and even if even if corbin and jen had coupled and she was vulnerable i wouldn't say send her home i'd say yes she should be single and be you know this this dramatic element in the villa eventually though you know if she fails to grow and it's just so cyclical and we're watching the same thing over and over again then it's time to go and that's what happened

1:20:05Jackie Oshry:with huda but she never went but she never went so it's not melanie's time i don't feel that way

1:20:11Claudia Oshry:Like she is good for television because I'm having strong feelings. It's sincere time. He should not be allowed to like speak to women in the villa and like get any one of these beautiful women's time.

1:20:20Jackie Oshry:He's an actual, like he's a danger. I hate him. I hate him.

1:20:25Claudia Oshry:And I gave him like so much leeway. I really did. I gave him so much, you know, time, my heart, my energy, you bitch. Yeah. And then also Beatriz has reacted to speculation about her sexuality. She was FaceTiming with her friend. And her friend was like, bro, these bitches swear that you're gay. It's a big thing on the internet. And she clapped back saying, athletes are always put in that box. Like if you're a female athlete, you're probably gay. She said, I'm just a tomboy. Let me live my life. I love dick. Please.

1:20:56Jackie Oshry:I know. And I thought like a lot of it was a stretch. But like so many sneakers that like it gets to a point with the Jordans and the dress. But also I feel like because she's an athlete and it's probably, I don't know if this is like okay to say, like more prevalent to like be gay in her field that like if she was she would be oh I don't think

1:21:15Claudia Oshry:it was for like when I saw people saying that I wasn't thinking about like the sneakers or the athleticism I I felt like it was her personality I thought it was like a lot the sneakers like for

1:21:26Jackie Oshry:real like um but then I think also like you have to consider the fact that like it's probably more comfortable when you have a prosthetic leg of course that like what I have to be like it's hard enough to wear heels when you don't have a prosthetic leg no she was just like you know

1:21:40Claudia Oshry:very much like one of the guys sort of but i guess that's what she's saying when you're an athlete like people just think of you that way it's sort of like the conversation was she was having with melanie too where it's like they just see me as one of the guys not being soft because i can play football with them and like melanie and melanie's like i'm so jealous i wish i could throw a ball craziest worst conversation many backhanded compliments that was the worst conversation

1:21:59Jackie Oshry:ever i would have liked be at a stay for a lot of reasons one i got like very upset with her conversation with Gabriel like I think that them I don't know if they're being forced to speak in English um but I think that it definitely like hindered his ability to like share his feelings and he said like I'm just much more able to speak from the heart when I speak my own language so when they said goodbye and it automatically started talking Spanish like I got like really choked up and I wasn't even such a believer in their love I thought like maybe he didn't even like her um but now the way he's like so quickly with Jen like he definitely didn't like Bea no I

1:22:29Claudia Oshry:I think he likes everyone and loves everything. Yeah, he's a lover. He's just like DTF.

1:22:34Jackie Oshry:He's a lover.

1:22:35Claudia Oshry:Yeah, I think he loves women. I think he loves women.

1:22:39Jackie Oshry:I love him. I just want to say he's getting a bad rap for being freaky and maybe not having liked Bea. But that goodbye was hella emotional. And I just want to say, Bea being like, guys, calm down. I'm not dying. Then everyone started crying. She was the only one. And I hate that they made me hate her because I feel like all the OG girls like have a really tight friendship except Bea like hates Melanie and we need sort of more conflict amongst the girls not just like isolating the bombshells. No, she was the only one

1:23:05Claudia Oshry:holding Melanie accountable like actually.

1:23:08Jackie Oshry:Actually.

1:23:09Claudia Oshry:And Beatrice and Trinity were very close

1:23:13Jackie Oshry:because Trinity is very upset that she's gone. Yeah. I think Melanie and Kenzie are like starting to drift but like this core girl group from the original villagers like being so toxically loyal to one another it's really starting to piss me off like when i said i wanted the girls to be mean to each other

1:23:28Claudia Oshry:this is not what i meant no me neither me neither like steal each other's man yeah don't be afraid i'm glad that soul and casey are talking and then that's what i was gonna say casey anaya

1:23:41Jackie Oshry:the challenge oh so once again like zach is being honest and i don't really have a problem with him and yeah i guess they showed us like one time when he was like oh so looks like my ex but i guess it was like more of a thing that he had wanted to talk to her and decided not to yeah and yeah zach is kind of kind of being like ace like last season being sort of the villa police and it's a little annoying it's getting to a point but he was he was asked yes the thing is not the

1:24:07Claudia Oshry:same thing to me as the soul thinks i don't even remember what she was accused of but it's like you don't know this person why are you behind her again um but and it's funny because if anybody else had been asked the question if it wasn't zach they would have done it to zach because like he does think he's one he has the strongest couple there and that's fair yeah um so when he dumped it on Casey and like and he didn't dump it on Anaya so like if he had dumped it on like that would be wrong but like to dump it on a fellow guy who cares and I guess he was a little tea spilled I don't think he realized when he was like you know you wanted to talk to soul and you didn't because like you think I don't think Anaya knew that yeah she knew that like he was her type but didn't know that and you know what I'm glad to see like the strong couples because if you're that strong like a wrench thrown into your coupling like how can you dodge duck dip dive and dodge that wrench and Zach and Kato will have wrenches thrown at them at some point I also think like the hideaway some things will come up but it's also interesting that they got the hideaway like right after they sort of like took a big took a big shit on Casey and Anaya because would Casey and Anaya have gotten the hideaway I just want to say um I think that Casey and Anaya will make it through I will

1:25:12Jackie Oshry:I do I don't have a good feeling about Zach and Kato more so Zach there's something really like weird about him to me and i don't think he like is appreciative enough to be with a girl who's like so fucking hot and loves him so much like it's a dream yeah he doesn't seem content yeah um she's like so into him when to be honest like i'm sure literally if she wants to be with any guy in the villa he would leave their connection for her like she's definitely one of the hottest in the villa and like i don't know i just don't like him anymore i just don't like

1:25:43Claudia Oshry:him anymore kada needs to get a little smarter and she needs to start playing games too she's like lovesick she's got puppy dog eyes she can't see anything like whatever he wants you know she doesn't give him a hard time about stuff and she needs to make him work for it a little bit and she's not being smart enough and she that's how you get hurt and like i don't i'm not one for games in general but like he is not deserving of her unbridled love and affection and she needs to bridle it a little bit in the challenge she needs to start flirting with other guys and making him jealous and be like well you don't want to close off and so i'm gonna you know talk to people because we're not closed off and make him sick.

1:26:19Jackie Oshry:They did confessionals as couples during the challenge. And Zach actually said something like hella derogatory towards her. And she just like laughed it off. They were talking about how he was trying to get the ball up her body and couldn't do it. So they switched and she got the ball up his body. And he was like, and it worked because she's used to being down there. That's how you fucking talk about your girl. Like, I don't know. I'm getting really bad vibes from her. I just want to say I don't like him.

1:26:41Claudia Oshry:Yeah, I feel like it's producers trying to make us think that he doesn't like her and he likes Bryce. Just so you know. so like got it but I feel like that derogatory comment has nothing to do with Bryce yeah no no I know um but if there are like wonderful routine moments where he's constantly affirming her and that's why she's so happy and lovesick they're not gonna show us maybe okay maybe I'm

1:27:01Jackie Oshry:like once again getting swept up in the fucking producers because I'm so easily manipulated yeah but she needs to get smart like yeah because and I feel like she came in with this sort of like edge to her and like she wasn't easy to read she's like the happiest bubbliest girl on the

1:27:14Claudia Oshry:Yeah. She's so pretty. It's like.

1:27:15Jackie Oshry:She's in love. Yeah. She's literally in love.

1:27:17Claudia Oshry:I know. But like you could. She's so close to like. You know sealing the deal with him. But she's going to have to work for it a little bit. And like you know. She's got to be a little bit more hard to get. She's got to make it happen for herself. Yeah. So I don't know. Maybe he'll fall in line. Let's see what happens after the hideaway. And if they close. If they do have sex like they should close off. But they won't. Yeah.

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1:27:54Claudia Oshry:Love ya, bye.