But Daddy I Love Him: Friday, July 17th, 2026

7:06Jackie Oshry:Laxton. Paxton.

7:08Claudia Oshry:Paxton. So yeah. Just to clear up confusion.

7:10Jackie Oshry:If I'm ever talking about Paxton, I am talking about my son. Olivia did not name her son Paxton. She named her son Jonathan. Did we ever tell people that? Maybe on the Patreon. Oh, speaking of Patreon, new episode just dropped. We did a whole studio transformation. I'm sure you've noticed. We've made quite a lot of improvements here. But if you wonder like the behind the scenes, like what it took. We went to HomeGoods. What went into every detail, every decision. Lots of behind the scenes sort of industry type of content.

7:34Claudia Oshry:And like car vlogging, having fun, snacking, swirling, singing. Singing, snacking.

7:38Jackie Oshry:We did a little snack taste test. sweetened to home goods they have really unique snacks at home goods yeah so it's really fun and swirly check it out patreon's kind of like blowing up it's patreon summer yeah it is like i expect mostly vlogs yeah we're all together like ben's cooking there's really like no plan for non-vlogs yeah it just doesn't feel like the vibe yeah and like we'd have to come to the studio i got it oh right i remembered the other day that nicole kidman because i saw this like great video of Keith Urban he was like performing at a concert that got into the crowd he like loves his job yeah he jobs his love and I forgot in that moment that like they broke up and they had that weird thing remember where he was like singing lyrics and they say that he cheated on her and now she's with Paul Salem businessman of the week that's like I just I just feel like that whole thing was unnecessary which them breaking up like what are you doing well it would be unnecessary if they were like back together no I just feel like the world was more cohesive in a better place like when they were married.

8:37Jackie Oshry:It was a stable thing.

8:37Claudia Oshry:I actually feel like as much as we thought it would be like this destabilizing thing. Oh, nothing. Nobody moved?

8:43Jackie Oshry:Sort of like nobody moved. That's interesting. I feel destabilized. You do? Yeah. It's a real new like a kilter. It washed over me when I was watching this video. I was like, can I enjoy this? I love. Who do you go with in the divorce if you had to choose? Nicole. Really? Yeah. I think I go with Keith. Oh, wow. Yeah.

9:03Claudia Oshry:You've got four women. I've said that many times. I know. Just like if you're new here, know again. She doesn't support women.

9:09Jackie Oshry:Oh, if you're new here, there's so much to tell you. We're so happy to have you. Welcome to the morning toast. Welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome to the morning toast. Jackie and I are your hosts. We are actually sisters. True sisters. Blood relatives.

9:24Claudia Oshry:There is someone out there listening right now that doesn't know that we are sisters.

9:29Jackie Oshry:Like dead ass, grew up in the same house, bloodlines, the whole thing. Jackie's older than me, a lot of people.

9:34Claudia Oshry:Oh, another fun fact that people might not expect. A lot of people think I'm older. Actually, these days I think I act older. I feel like for a while it was unclear. And also, you have three kids. I have one. Yeah.

9:43Jackie Oshry:I think that's maybe more clear now. What else can we tell you? We are part-time podcasters, part-time models. No, I've quit modeling. Oh, you've left the industry behind. I've hung up my hat.

9:54Claudia Oshry:Eyelash curler. Yeah, no, I'm not modeling anymore. I feel like that's for the best. I don't enjoy it. I wasn't jobbing my love like any time that we had like modeling.

10:02Jackie Oshry:but one thing you should know about us is that we job our love we love our jobs and we job our love

10:07Claudia Oshry:absolutely and I had to stop modeling because it just wasn't like bringing me joy I feel like a lot of girls in the industry face that yeah so I'm like focusing on other elements of like my business and in your career I've pivoted from modeling yeah I feel that I'm still very much

10:24Jackie Oshry:like in the industry booking gigs and stuff but just know I'm like not happy about it do you ever think like you'll leave the modeling world absolutely yeah when i meet my like tech founder boyfriend my evan spiegel like that's the best way to graduate from the modeling industry like the miranda yeah kerr model yeah a lot of jasmine toots i mean they all sort of do yes there comes a time where it's time to find your like founder you could be with the rock star oh i mean jasmine toots's um husband is like a diplomat like i don't know what he does but you could do a rock star too like bahati and lily aldridge lily aldridge adam levine yeah i there are a lot of different paths but definitely marrying well is the best way to graduate from the modeling industry in my opinion yeah so that's what's next for you yeah marrying well absolutely so those are

11:11Claudia Oshry:some of our dreams and aspirations in case you wanted to know a little bit more about us and if you want to know even more about us like on a personal level the patreon.com the patreon is really where it gets personal you know we can only talk about ourselves for so long on this show because we have to talk about like celebrities we have to talk about mj and mj sure but in general

11:27Jackie Oshry:role i mean like we talk about celebrities in tv and i were sitting on the couch and like i saw the news first about mj kardat kardat mj what is chris jenner's maiden name i don't know do you not think it's crazy that we don't know that i'm sure if we hear it then we'll be like oh yeah that's it no i actually don't think you are never gonna guess what i'll tell you it starts with an h and we know that her full name is kristen everybody knows that right yeah kristen mary is her middle name obviously after MJ. Okay. Last name. I don't even know how to pronounce this. Let me see. Houghton? H-O-U-G-H-T-O-N.

12:04Jackie Oshry:Like the Huffs but with a T-O-N at the end. Houghton? Howden? H-O-U-G-H-T-O-N. Howden. That's insane that we didn't know that.

12:17Claudia Oshry:Yeah it is. Well yes. When we were sitting on the couch I saw the news

12:22Jackie Oshry:like on Instagram and I was like oh my god

12:24Claudia Oshry:MJ died and Jackie.

12:26Jackie Oshry:Jackie thought I was talking about Mercedes Javid from Shots of Sunset.

12:29Claudia Oshry:Well, she's like my first top of mind MJ. She actually is mine too. I didn't think that's what you meant, but I couldn't think of the second MJ yet. Right.

12:37Jackie Oshry:And I guess the first MJ is actually Michael Jackson, but he's already dead.

12:40Claudia Oshry:And that's not my MJ. Like my MJ is Mercedes Javid.

12:45Jackie Oshry:My MJ is also Mercedes Javid, who I'm happy to report is alive and well. We wishing her the best, truly. But I just thought that was funny.

12:52Claudia Oshry:Yeah. Yeah. Well, I guess we'll get into the stories. Because there's like low-key drama about it too. Since you want to get into the stories. Oh, so anything else you want to talk about? It seems like you wanted to get into the stories. Anything else we want to talk about? Hmm. Hmm. Oh my gosh. We're doing something crazy at the house. I don't even, I think you know what we're doing.

13:10Jackie Oshry:Building butterflies? Yeah. We have caterpillars growing at the house. I know. You know, it's like an animal rights activist. Why, it's going to be beautiful. It is going to be beautiful. But like the fact that you can just like buy a caterpillar, like. That's not so weird. It's a worm. I guess. Yes, yeah. And they're like cocooning in the living room right now.

13:27Claudia Oshry:They're cocooning in the dining room and they have reached cocoon status. So you put them in that netted thing. Now we transfer them into the netted thing. There they will become butterflies and they can fly in there and then we will let them go. Yeah, that's cool. Do you think they'll come back? I don't know. Maybe they'll hang around the backyard. Do you think they've enjoyed like spending time at our house? I think so. Like we're so funny. They're probably cracking up all day long.

13:50Jackie Oshry:And like cocooning I imagine. They're probably like, oh my God, she thought Mercedes-Benz died. He died.

13:53Claudia Oshry:I imagine cocooning can be lonesome and boring. No, I imagine cocooning is a dream. And you need entertainment, like when you're cocooning. And that's what we are. And that's what we provide.

14:04Jackie Oshry:You know, Luke Combs, Nicole Combs, and their sons are also cocooning. Do you know that? I saw she posted that. I saw she was posting that she's cocooning. I'm like, what are the odds?

14:11Claudia Oshry:She posted her caterpillars, and I was like, I'm literally two days behind you. What are the odds? I don't know. Is everyone else cocooning right now? It's a really fun activity. I think Zach got them on Amazon. Like I'll link them. That's what I mean. It's weird that you can like buy a butterfly on Amazon.

14:25Jackie Oshry:Do you know what I mean?

14:25Claudia Oshry:A caterpillar.

14:27Jackie Oshry:I guess so. But it's beautiful. We're giving life. Yeah. And I also want to say The Very Hungry Caterpillar is a terrible book. I agree. It's just interesting what's taken off. Because you know the guy who illustrated Very Hungry Caterpillar? Eric Carle. Is also Brown Bear. Brown Bear illustrator.

14:43Claudia Oshry:He has a specific look.

14:45Jackie Oshry:Obviously like a billionaire. Because like when I went to TJ Maxx, there was like toys from a company called The World of Eric Carle. like he's monetized up the ass I've actually had a couple of his products and like in another life

14:56Claudia Oshry:no if someone wrote that book today like if a friend wrote that book and gave it to me I'd be like you should go back to work

15:01Jackie Oshry:of course the books that are popular like you know the one it's called like coconut or something it's like orange and pink do you know what I'm talking about? yes it's like about chicka chicka yeah chicka chicka I'm like are you guys fucking serious and that's a book I've been reading some of them stand the test of time cats in the cradle and a silver spoon and Goodnight Moon, that one is really beautiful.

15:21Claudia Oshry:Goodnight Moon. Goodnight Mouse.

15:24Jackie Oshry:Sitting in chairs.

15:25Claudia Oshry:Three little bears sitting in chairs. Yeah, so cute. But some of them,

15:28Jackie Oshry:I'm like, this is, it's like propaganda. It's Boat full of mush. Like, I genuinely don't understand how the Very Hungry Caterpillar, it is definitely like the biggest top five. Yeah. And it's crazy that Eric Harle has two top five books. How much money do you think he has? And now he is merchandised. Yeah, he's merchandised. So that's probably where the money is. Each book has definitely sold like well over like five million copies.

15:51Claudia Oshry:Yeah, but like against our will, you know? It sucks. It's like you would buy it as a gift for someone, but you'd never buy it for yourself. Let me tell you, I think it's the worst book ever. I have at least four copies. Yeah, yeah. I don't know. One in the car, one in the house. Definitely an industry plant. One of Florida. There's a lot of books like that.

16:06Jackie Oshry:Yeah.

16:07Claudia Oshry:Industry plants.

16:07Jackie Oshry:Well, we need the industry to plant the camper and the counselor. We need them to plant the camper and the counselor. I need to talk with the industry actually because I've got a couple of plants I need to plant. Yeah, it's so true. if you're looking for like an actually good book that's not a piece of shit the camper of the counselor it's let me tell you i'm like i'm knee deep in books like and i read books all the time and i'm very judgmental like i need a message a good message of either like home hearth family whatever i need pardy illustrations like some of these depressing ass like colorless books no and i'm sorry it needs to rhyme i know that's controversial not everybody thinks books for children need to rhyme camper of the counselor i couldn't come up with one bad thing to say about

16:44Claudia Oshry:it thank you so much except for like the fact that you're not in it oh i mean yeah and let's

16:49Jackie Oshry:talk about the sequel we always said you're gonna but now i'm also a mom like we should really do a q lab book where we write like the turdy's adventures or something like oh like a separate

16:57Claudia Oshry:series yeah like a separate franchise oh i love that because like i like i do have sequel ideas you should start ideating i have i have okay i have it's just like i haven't had the bandwidth you know i have the bandwidth you have the ideas like you just tell me and i'll take it to market Oh, interesting. And who's going to write it? You. You're right. So I haven't had the bandwidth.

17:16Jackie Oshry:But like, tell me, I'll type it and you talk, you know? Okay, okay. We need another children's book. I think we need like a lot of children's books. Oh, I know. We just need a lot because. And I know that like celebrity children's book, it is a saturated market, but some of them are really good. I agree. Some of them are really bad. River Rose and the Magical Lullaby.

17:33Claudia Oshry:Kelly Clarkson's is good.

17:35Jackie Oshry:Did you read that one?

17:36Claudia Oshry:I never read it. I know like Lauren Elizabeth gave it to me because she said it's actually good. but I didn't read it. Sorry, Warren. Also, Jamie Lee Curtis has one. That's more,

17:44Jackie Oshry:it's a little avant-garde. Yes, the balloons. It's a little avant-garde. Where do balloons go? I like it. Yeah. It's, obviously, The Camera and the Counselor, a big celebrity book. Nabella has one. You know, it's like, it's a little oversaturated, but we're just what the industry needs. I don't think so. Like, literally,

17:58Claudia Oshry:I have 1 ,000 children's books. Yeah. More, more, more.

18:01Jackie Oshry:Yeah. Let's have more books. Your phone is vibrating a lot. Who are you texting your best friend? Let me guess, your neighbor no it's like junk notifications junk you've got junk in your trunk it's like junk

18:12Claudia Oshry:notifications you know like family chats no that's not junk yeah so i was like what like facebook and and you don't put your phone on do not disturb when we recurred i always do i actually didn't find that it was vibrating more like usually it vibrates a lot i'm like do not disturb but i i guess you heard it more than i felt i did you did i think we could dive in to the fast five stories

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24:05Claudia Oshry:job like sorry i'm a brand spokesperson thank you turd shine yes turd slim yes our first story as hold the phone what on what on earth are you doing here why is here my purse is right there

24:22Jackie Oshry:ben is here okay wait just don't walk in front of the camera my darling okay i'm gonna get the

24:28Claudia Oshry:car keys are in my bag oh my god i thought we were about to get like a cake or something Oh, I fucking wish. Next time you come to switch car keys, can you bring a cake, please?

24:38Jackie Oshry:Ben took my car by accident this morning. But it wasn't a big deal, Ben. I was, like, totally fine.

24:42Claudia Oshry:Did you come? I don't even want to know, like, what's going on.

24:46Jackie Oshry:We're all good.

24:46Claudia Oshry:Did you drive all the way here just to switch cars?

24:50Jackie Oshry:That's unnecessary. That's just a little unnecessary because I did ask you to go set up the water table. So you can go do that now. Yeah, set up the water table. Bye. That was very, like, jarring.

24:59Claudia Oshry:Where did he come from? I've never used that door.

25:02Jackie Oshry:He came from the control room. Oh God, he probably unplugged something.

25:06Claudia Oshry:At least he had the decency to wait till the ads were done. I think that's what he was doing. You think? I think so.

25:13Jackie Oshry:Credit to him. I'm shaking at the thought of him being in the control room. They should just make sure everything's still plugged in. Ben just has a way of unplugging things with his mind.

25:21Claudia Oshry:Yeah, like Matilda. Yes! Speaking of paranormal activity, the birds.

25:27Jackie Oshry:Oh, we haven't even discussed the air quality. Oh my God, you guys. Okay, yeah, we live in New York and there's like a wildfire in Ontario that is affecting us personally. I mean, it's affecting, I was also talking to our friend who's in Michigan and she said her sky is so bad. I know it's really bad in the city. People are like actually being encouraged to stay inside. The last like four days, I thought like four days ago we were getting a thunderstorm. So I'm like, oh, it's like kind of cloudy. Yeah, a little orange. And then it started to smell. And turns out like we are getting the smoke from the Ontario wildfires.

25:57Jackie Oshry:The air quality is so bad. Like obviously things are worse for the people in Ontario and I don't want to complain. And like north of between here and Ontario. But so crazy. This happens like every now and then. It happens every summer. Like once in the summer. One afternoon like there's a cloudy.

26:07Claudia Oshry:But for it to be going on almost four or five days is so crazy. And up until today everyone's insisted the AQI, the air quality index has been totally fine. You could be outside. Yeah it smells like a campfire. But like it's not harmful. But today the AQI is very high. It's so spooky.

26:22Jackie Oshry:Not to be like complaining because I know there's like animals probably dying. Maybe even people. But like I can't go outside. I can't swim. like it's my summer break yeah I hope everyone's okay wildfires stay the craziest thing yeah they really do and then Jackie was saying the other day that people who start wildfires because like

26:40Claudia Oshry:obviously some of them are man-made and some of them are I was looking into it between 85 and 90 percent of wildfires are man-made arson not arson oh some a lot are accidental so of course of course You know, you left your campground going. Your hair ironed on. So I take back what I said due to those people. No, it's like. What percentage of wildfires are arson? So in the U.S., intentional ignition typically makes up about 10 to 15%. That's like still a lot. A lot. 85 to 90 is like debris burning unintended campfires. Of course. Friction, no rain. Power lines, yeah. Yeah, but friction, like rain, that's not man-made.

27:19Jackie Oshry:Fireworks, cigarettes. No, that's like natural causes. is cigarettes yeah see kylie's been smoking a lot of cigarettes well she said that she was gonna she said it on therapist as like a soft launch being like if you see me in a carousel with a cigarette so then yesterday she posted a cigarette also reading a script yeah people are wondering what the secret project is well she wants to do some more acting okay no but she can do like she can dabble because she did a great job with charlie xcx she did do a great job and her boyfriend is

27:48Claudia Oshry:Timothy and if she wants to dabble she can dabble. It's not like Kim like turning her life upside down while also trying to become a lawyer and have four children. Well let's dive into the stories because I have a lot to say about Kim. And Skims and also wanting to now be the next Meryl Streep. That's different. This is a hobby for Kylie. Let's dive into the stories because I have some things to say about Kim. Okay so first story Kris Jenner announces the death of her mother Mary Jo MJ Shannon at the age of 91. So Chris posted yesterday a photo of MJ saying, today we said goodbye to my beautiful mommy MJ.

28:23Claudia Oshry:She wrote a very long caption that's very beautiful. I'm going to read most of it. She said, there are no words that could ever capture what she has meant to me or the heartbreak of having to say goodbye. My mom was the heart of our family. She taught me everything that truly matters. To love your family fiercely, to be kind, to show up for the people you love, and to never take a single moment together for granted. She taught us that family is everything. She showed us how to love unconditionally and how to find joy in little moments. She showed me how to face life's challenges with resilience and faith.

28:51Claudia Oshry:Mom, thank you for every sacrifice you made, every piece of wisdom you shared, and every moment you loved us so completely. I will miss our daily talks, your smile, your laughter. Our hearts are broken, but we find comfort knowing that love like yours never truly leaves us. This caption's really beautiful, and I want to read it because we read a lot of junk on this show, but these are like really great life lessons in here and she obviously did an amazing job of being a mother

29:14Jackie Oshry:and they love and respect her so much and the legacy that she's left is literally

29:19Claudia Oshry:unbelievably insane so if we can get any pearls of wisdom from this woman it's we should read them

29:24Jackie Oshry:it's also like if you're a kardashian fan like mj's been around for a while and we've sort of like known she's like had health issues they talk about it a lot she's like just sort of like frail little woman much old she's nine she's much older so we sort of like known this day was coming but it almost like never came like she really Chris took amazing care of her um and I just know Chris is like devastated Chris is like very existential like whenever the girls are like having a good time she'll start crying and like once you become a mom you like understand exactly why and I remember once when she was like they were like why are you crying she was like well because you're all gonna be doing this and like one day I'm not gonna be here and it was just like very upsetting to hear her so she's definitely like very emotional about like time and age and I just know she's

30:03Claudia Oshry:devastated like I feel so sad for her I feel so sad for her too and Chris is uh oh 70 now right she just did her and she had her kids really young and it's seven double zero birthday right oh right but so she's lived 70 years with her mom like which is such a blessing some people don't get

30:19Jackie Oshry:that like then to now not I know it's so sad there was also like a little weirdness with Kim's Instagram she's been like at the lake with Lewis Hamilton like posting videos of them kissing and him with her kids and like nobody cares like I'm telling you like this couple's just like not impactful in any real way um and kim posted at like noon that like a carousel of lewis and lake water skiing lake life it was a carousel of their week at the lake and then two hours later chris posted that mj had passed away so it was like well kim like when when that story went up like mj had probably passed away and kim probably already knew it like the timing was really strange now we know kim like pre-schedules her instagrams and it's like a whole thing her flow but it's like are we still doing that in this day and age?

31:03Jackie Oshry:So she then updated her caption because people were commenting like, this is weird. Like, didn't your grandmother just pass away? And she updated her caption just to address like, oh, this was scheduled. Like, obviously like we're, and then Lewis Hamilton posted a carousel from the lake too with a caption like hold your loved ones near and dear. Like, I just think it's weird. Why can't they let the lake content go?

31:21Claudia Oshry:I don't know.

31:22Jackie Oshry:Or post it in a month. Like, yeah. It's like they had to get the lake content up, but people, I'm telling you, like we don't care. Yeah. You can skip it. yeah it's a little just like shallow and I feel like all the things that people say about Kim that I really don't believe like it's just like a little self-indulged and like I don't know I

31:41Claudia Oshry:don't want to like judge like I I think you know no one's hurting more than them Chris and them like these people commenting why'd you post like like they don't care about MJ more than Kim does no of course they're not more devastated than Kim is but like I also find it weird to be like scheduling personal content do you know what I mean like I know businesses schedule and if you the launch or whatnot but like an ad or it's like we're not going to post from the lake because we'll wait till we go home or whatever but like the idea that it's like all these like personal photos are in a scheduling tool not that scheduling tools aren't like that ubiquitous that like she runs her personal account with a scheduling tool yeah and also like i know at the

32:15Jackie Oshry:time like instagram was all about like flow and how frequently you post but i don't know it just seems ever since they like started to copy tiktok like it's more of like a free-for-all it's less curated it's less and so i didn't realize she was still doing that yeah i just feel like it's not a

32:28Claudia Oshry:great look that she uses a scheduling tool to post her personal content when her whole brand is like social media authenticity and like sharing everything that runs her account like i feel like the way i think of her account is like nobody else would have the password you know right she really like it's hers and it is but a scheduling tool just sort of like takes a little bit of the mystery away yeah it just makes it like less authentic yeah so that

32:53Jackie Oshry:was just like a weird thing but i know the girls are devastated this is so sad and like seriously

33:00Claudia Oshry:wishing them the best i really am yeah also chris lost her sister like i think that was probably a year ago like not so long ago so i think she's probably just

33:08Jackie Oshry:having very hard like i love chris is my official like favorite kardashian she has been for a while it always changes but like chris is my favorite and i just know she's really upset like i know she's taking this really hard yeah i love her i really hope she's okay also mj's last name is

33:25Claudia Oshry:Shannon because she split from Chris's dad Houghton when Chris was seven. So Chris's stepdad, Harry Shannon was like,

33:35Jackie Oshry:but Chris never took her stepdad's name.

33:36Claudia Oshry:No. And then I feel like Chris got married young to Robert.

33:39Jackie Oshry:So she was never particularly attached to her maiden name.

33:41Claudia Oshry:And I think it's okay that we don't know it.

33:43Jackie Oshry:I think so too. And I think she wants us to know her as Kris Jenner or Kris Kardashian. Yeah. I love that she still goes by Kris Kardashian.

33:49Claudia Oshry:Yeah. Or there was that episode where she was like, I think I should go back to Kardashian.

33:52Jackie Oshry:i actually agree only because like things with caitlin like were so bad um but i guess she's like as much of a kardashian as she is a jenner yeah an ex-husband yeah and with children no i mean

34:08Claudia Oshry:and it's more recent like no she's like four kids but i feel like when she when she said it it was

34:12Jackie Oshry:because the kardashian name was of course a jenner name is huge now too now too but when she said it

34:17Claudia Oshry:It wasn't. The girls were like in high school. The pictures of Jacob Elordi and. Kendall in Malibu. Like so happy. I want happiness for them. And I just want like commitment and eternity. That's also what I want for them.

34:31Jackie Oshry:The thing is if she's going to graduate from the modeling industry sometime soon. There's not enough money there. No. It's not a big offer.

34:37Claudia Oshry:But she has a lot of money. Yeah. No. She's fine. And her family has money. Maybe they could help them. Maybe they could help them. Yeah.

34:42Jackie Oshry:They'll be like the poor couple in the family. Yeah. Right. is she gonna fly home like because of mj oh or these old photos oh i don't know i'm sure she'll go home they were in malibu i think it's in maui i think i said i think it was malibu oh okay well let me just drive home yeah kylie was in malibu too so that actually tracks oh cute yeah very cute like seriously rest in peace mj you were a queen a true queen who like till the end had her bob on point yeah not a great insight you want to talk about legacy like that's a legacy how many grandkids well great grandkids like how many grandkids does Chris have?

35:20Claudia Oshry:Well we just know Chris.

35:21Jackie Oshry:Right the other side remember Kim got her a wedding dress for Oscar de la Renta.

35:24Claudia Oshry:Yeah so I don't even know how many grandkids and great grandkids but like when you think about like what her daughter and like grandchildren have built like it's really amazing. Rest in peace queen. Yes. Our next story another bit and bob from Lurdivist Wedding has leaked from Pat McAfee. Thanks King.

35:44Jackie Oshry:I wouldn't realize it came from Sir Pat McAfee. It did.

35:46Claudia Oshry:When I saw that, I just thought. Was he there? I guess he was. Yeah, he's a big sports guy. But I thought it was Pat McGrath. And then I'm like, there we have. Cracking up. Was Pat McGrath there? I don't know, but they have very similar names.

35:57Jackie Oshry:No, and Pat McGrath and Taylor are like OG friends. Everybody knows Taylor's iconic red lip is Pat McGrath.

36:01Claudia Oshry:Right. So maybe Pat McGrath was there and that wasn't totally off base. But Pat McAfee let us know that Avril Lavigne performed at Taylor Swift and Travis's wedding. So he shared that Avril Lavigne played Skater Boy.

36:14Jackie Oshry:that's like Ben's fucking dream.

36:15Claudia Oshry:Yeah. He said, I guess me saying Avril Lavigne played Skater Boy was the first time that it came out, but she was awesome. He said, to be clear, those musicians really cool. Like, Oh, thanks for clarifying. One would just call out the other and then they would come up and just do their shit. So I get it. It was like a little bit of like a open mic.

36:31Jackie Oshry:Yeah. I think also the night before they had like a lot of karaoke. So like people just got up and sang their own songs, sings other people's songs. I don't know if this was like a full on performance where like she had her band with her, but I think a lot of people who are like also musicians, sang.

36:45Claudia Oshry:Yeah. Also, Ice Spice. And the after party had karaoke. Ice Spice, he said, performed too. Ice Spice is so random to me.

36:53Jackie Oshry:Yeah. Like, she popped on the scene seemingly out of nowhere, but, like, I'm not, you know, really into rap music, so, like, maybe she had, like, an origin story that I wasn't familiar with. She was the hottest thing on the planet. Like, the fact that Taylor got her, like, it was actually difficult for Taylor to get her. Like, it was, and then she, like, disappeared.

37:09Claudia Oshry:Mm-hmm. I believe they call it the flesh and the pen.

37:13Jackie Oshry:Yeah. They say she's in the key asylum. I think. I don't think she like had enough success to be in the. Crested enough. I personally like that song. You think you're the shit bitch. You're not even the fart. Like such a good lyric. Ew. I know, but it's such a good insult. How about ew? You think you're the shit bitch? You're not even the fart. That's disgusting. I know. I'm going to start using it though. Please. Okay, fine, fine. Like when Ben comes in, like, you know, he's having a lot of success in his career. Like he comes in thinking, like, you think you're the shit bitch? You're not even the fart.

37:41Jackie Oshry:That's mean. I know. And Ben is the shit. And the fart. Please stop. Please. I beg of you. Should we tell everyone what Ben did yesterday?

37:51Claudia Oshry:No, we can't. No, we can't. We can't. We can't. We'll tell you on Patreon. Yeah. Okay. Next story. A little Taylor adjacent news. I want to get your thoughts. Cindy Sweeney posted her new undies for CERN. Siren. Oh, yeah. Her lingerie brand is S-Y-R-N. The streets say it's Siren. The toast says it's CERN. We racked our brains to think about how it was pronounced. We just assumed CERN. But it's Siren. Okay. Siren. And so she posted some of her new undies that are like cute little white and pink lace undies. Very like girly. Yeah. And it says they have like. Stitched. Stitched. But daddy, I love him.

38:34Claudia Oshry:And then she posted that on her Instagram saying panty packs with some of my little sayings. He he he. Get yours now.

38:41Jackie Oshry:Now, obviously, people are freaking. This is Scooter Braun's girlfriend. This is a Taylor Swift lyric. And I would love to look into this more, but Taylor Swift did not invent that phrase. And I think a lot of people maybe just don't know that. She definitely popularized it. Not even. I believe it's from The Little Mermaid. Oh, not everyone making it sexy. It's from The Little Mermaid. Becky. Yeah, she didn't invent that. I could see maybe someone at Siren saying, well, maybe we shouldn't do this just to avoid any sort of... But Taylor didn't invent it and she doesn't own it. And I think if she went to like file a copyright for it, she wouldn't even be eligible.

39:15Jackie Oshry:Yeah. So this is a big nothing burger.

39:17Claudia Oshry:Yeah, I agree. But people are going to like take it and run. And it's like two folks. It's like on the one hand, she didn't even invent it. And on the other hand, like she has so many songs, even on TTPD itself. Like there are so many lyrics of like common phrases or whatever. Yeah, she loves a phrase. And like if all of those phrases are off limits because she's saying them, like that's insane. And they're not. The only ones that are off limits are the ones she created.

39:38Jackie Oshry:And she does create a lot. But she didn't invent all. Like sometimes you just like pull from culture and phrasing.

39:45Claudia Oshry:No, I'm just like phrasing.

39:46Jackie Oshry:Yeah, yeah. And this is one of them. Sorry, she didn't invent it. Yeah. That's not to say she stole it. Like you're using a phrase. But she comes up with a lot of her own.

39:54Claudia Oshry:Yeah, but people are really like shook and with the scooter of it all. But I think. Of course.

39:59Jackie Oshry:But people are always looking for stuff with Scooter and Taylor.

40:02Claudia Oshry:Yeah.

40:02Jackie Oshry:And I think at present, there's nothing there.

40:04Claudia Oshry:Agreed. No, this is not it. The undies are cute. I wonder if Sidney Swinney likes Taylor Swift though

40:09Jackie Oshry:because she's just like swirly, you know? She's of age. Well, she can't like her that much. Yeah, well not anymore. She'll probably have to set aside. Listen, when you date a billionaire, some things you just gotta sacrifice. Yeah, and a friendship with Taylor Swift. Or even just like the discography of Taylor Swift. She can't be playing that in the car.

40:25Claudia Oshry:Well, I don't know. I don't know. And maybe sometimes she drives solo. Well, of course.

40:29Jackie Oshry:She has her solo playlist, like her hidden playlist.

40:32Claudia Oshry:I feel like when Scooter talks about the Taylor thing, I actually think he wouldn't mind listening to her music. I feel like that's what he was trying to say was like that he likes, like he respects her. It was never really about him liking her. Right. And he respects her and wanted to own her music. He bought the music because he knew it was good and valuable.

40:47Jackie Oshry:Yeah. Like, no, it was more so Taylor. Right. Thinking. That he shouldn't be the one to own her music. Correct. And so we don't have to get into that, but it was never about like, so I think Scooter hurt.

40:58Claudia Oshry:I think Scooter's fine listening to Taylor Swift.

41:00Jackie Oshry:I just think like the sound of her voice probably reminds him of all the hate

41:04Claudia Oshry:he got. Oh yeah. Then he had a reason to be mad. Yeah. After the fact. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe it's a solo drive. Yeah. Are you ready for our next story?

41:15Jackie Oshry:What number? Four. Because you love to not tell me. Yeah. Oh, you're ready for number four. Oh, am I? What do you think? I don't think you're ready. Damn. Is it our next story?

41:23Claudia Oshry:I don't think you're ready for this jelly.

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44:40Claudia Oshry:He has gotten really good at making Weight Watchers friendly meals. He has. And it's very like simple to follow. So once he knows like the rules and things that are like free points or low points, then he can really have fun with it.

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46:37Jackie Oshry:And once you get involved in the program, you'll understand why it's so successful and why it's been around for so long. Yeah. Thank you Weight Watchers for sponsoring today's show. And really helping lots of swirlies. Also, they have a lot of different programs. If you're doing like I did when I was nursing because like obviously I'm in a different life. You're hungry.

46:50Claudia Oshry:More volume eating. So whether you're like postpartum. You need protein. Totally. They have a lot of different options. Eating for two.

46:56Jackie Oshry:There's something for everyone.

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47:09Claudia Oshry:Are you ready for our next story? Are you ready for our next story? I said turd watchers. Role model was on Therapist, and he revealed that he wants to raise a daughter as a single dad. So I'm going to read the details to you. Role model is opening up about his dreams of becoming a dad. He joined Jake Shane on Thursday to discuss everything from his career to his personal life. During the conversation, role model who was born Tucker Pillsbury. Your favorite. I know. We can't like go down the rabbit hole of his name right now. Yeah, no, no. And we've been there before. Shared his hopes for his future as a parent.

47:42Claudia Oshry:He said, quote, My dream has always been to be a single father and to have a daughter and to raise a daughter by myself would be really fun. Her name's Winnie. He went on to share that he's opening to welcome a little one through surrogate. he said I want a daughter that's ideally mine and then I thank whoever had it for me he admitted that I I want to like watch the clip because because just text what yeah also wait but then he said he admitted that his choices may be destructive for the kid but he explained he just wants to be able to raise a child by myself I just want to raise a child by myself because then you can kind of just like mold them into your best friend like is this a joke i'm like go to a bar like you're looking for a friend right you're gonna get a so you're looking for and so you're gonna like create a child in your image and it's like well what if you had a boy it's like the i there are so many things wrong with this statement that like i honestly it has to be i was like looking for the transcript of it can you search on tiktok role model daughter yeah because you know i hate to and i don't want to like comment on it if i don't have all the information but like this is so twisted to me.

48:52Claudia Oshry:Also, he's literally dating like a...

48:54Jackie Oshry:Dakota. Yeah, a woman who, you know... Okay, here. To be a single father and to have a daughter and to raise a daughter by myself would be really fun. Her name's Winnie. A dream has always been to have... That was my... Sorry.

49:10Claudia Oshry:Seems like not a joke.

49:12Jackie Oshry:No, he seems like he's talking quite seriously.

49:14Claudia Oshry:And like, are we supposed to...

49:16Jackie Oshry:Somebody made like an edit of it.

49:17Claudia Oshry:Are we supposed to be impressed by this?

49:19Jackie Oshry:I just I don't want to say anything out of turn so let me just like offer my credentials like I was raised by a single mom so I'm just gonna say I don't think like nobody sets out like wanting to be a single parent it's hard and I think it a lot of times works out for the best and of course like but it's not ideal to be doing it alone so like this is like a weird thing to say I think it's a

49:41Claudia Oshry:weird thing to say and like he's already like named the child and again like what if it's a son The naming is weird. It just seems like so like rigid and that's just not like how.

49:51Jackie Oshry:Also like to like to have a dream to have a child to like you have a friend is like a bad reason to do it.

49:56Claudia Oshry:And he says like this might be destructive for the child. It's just like not about you. I just don't think that this is like funny or like coming off the way he thinks it's coming off. And I don't know if that's like a hot take, but I think it's like kind of twisted.

50:12Jackie Oshry:I agree. It's a little dark. Okay, great. That's weird.

50:15Claudia Oshry:Yeah, I wonder what, like, Jade said back. Like, I wanted to hear the conversation. I was looking on, you know Spotify now? Like, they segment the episode by, like, topic discussions. It's actually amazing. So I was like, where is this daughter in the conversation? Role model's daughter. Role model's daughter. Tucker's love life?

50:33Jackie Oshry:Would it be under there? I'm not. Like, people were so freaking about him on Therapist. Like, I don't really. I'm just, I think I'm a little old for, like, the role model obsession. You confused me before we recorded of being his biggest fan. You are. You're always choosing stories about him.

50:47Claudia Oshry:I'm not. I think you're confusing him with Somber. And I've become a really big fan of Somber. Me too. I like you, but my body isn't ready. I don't want to talk down on your lover.

51:02Jackie Oshry:I don't want to be a home wrecker. And the other one. The one. 12 to 12. In a room full of people, I look for you. No, so good. Like the kids, let me tell you, the kids ate with somber.

51:15Claudia Oshry:I also like I tried to listen to role model in the car because I know his like bridge is going viral in joy or whatever. So I was like, oh, I like that part. Let me listen to joy. And like the bridge is good.

51:26Jackie Oshry:Yes. Sally. I like that song. Yeah. But it's like one song is going to need more than that.

51:32Claudia Oshry:Yeah. So I just feel like he gets a lot of like uplifted from Jake from from somber. Like I think somber. I think you're the only person who's conflating the two. Somber's tides are raising role ship. I don't agree. I don't agree. I think so. Like when I see a song, I'm like, I just really conflate the two. But now I know I've identified that I like Somber. And I don't really like role model in that way.

51:59Jackie Oshry:And this weird statement isn't helping. No.

52:01Claudia Oshry:And he dated Emma Chamberlain for three years, I saw.

52:04Jackie Oshry:Yes, like when he was truly nobody. I was like, she was being very generous with her time. And then, of course, the second they break up, he gets famous.

52:11Claudia Oshry:And Roll is the one that Taylor likes or Somber?

52:14Jackie Oshry:Somber. Oh, I love that.

52:16Claudia Oshry:Yeah. And Somber now is reminding me of Benson Boone. Okay.

52:20Jackie Oshry:Yeah, very similar.

52:21Claudia Oshry:But sure, more Benson. Yeah, I agree.

52:24Jackie Oshry:That's why Harry Styles is having a hard time. There's a lot of competition in the male pop star space. For a while, it was just kind of lonely for him. Yeah. Yeah.

52:34Claudia Oshry:Well, speaking of Sally, are you ready for our fifth and final story? Is this about Kyle Cook? No, but it is about Sally Carson, so we can talk about Kyle Cook. Lala Kent and Sally Carson are starting a podcast together about sex. It's called Sex Unlocked. Was there no food news today? No, I actually, I saw this on my own. And then there was a bunch of news about Sally Carson. I'm like, I kind of want to talk about this podcast because it's hitting me wrong. Okay, it's not hitting me at all. It's worse than not hitting me at all. It's actually hitting me wrong. It says, forget the birds and the bees.

53:11Claudia Oshry:We're talking about the toys, the turn-ons, the orgasms, and everything they conveniently skipped in sex ed. And then, like, the first episode dropped last night, and it's just, like, the girls, like, just talking, like, about sex.

53:24Jackie Oshry:I'm uncomfortable.

53:25Claudia Oshry:I'm uncomfortable. Like, everyone wants to be Call Her Daddy again. But the thing is... Even Call Her Daddy doesn't want to be Call Her Daddy.

53:31Jackie Oshry:Call Her Daddy doesn't even want to be Call Her Daddy. I feel like when... I don't know if you saw, like, Kenzie was, like, when she was, like, so excited to be on Color Daddy, she was like, you taught me how to suck dick. I just felt like Alex, who's like there, like matured, pregnant, like her butthole clenched. Like, I feel like she runs from that. She's not a sex podcast anymore. Like, yes, people come out and maybe talk about like more racy things, but not really. I guess there is like a market for it because that is when the show was most popular. Like two girls just talking about like sucking cock.

53:59Jackie Oshry:Ooh. I just thought I'd switch it up a little bit by saying cock. Please, no. Yeah. so I guess there is like an audience of people for that because it was so popular at the time and now nobody does that

54:09Claudia Oshry:but Alex and Sophia were really young like when they were doing it and so I think that so was their audience and it is sort of like that age of like you know there is no sex ed no one's talking about this versus like Lala and Sally are like who have like children like one of them yeah and the audience the Bravo audience is older and know how things work and it's not like revolutionary to like talk about sex and be sex positive like that's not a novice concept but acting like it is. It's also just a random pairing. Acting like it's novice is tired. Don't you find? Yeah, and I love Lala. I like Sally sometimes on Southern Charm, but I think off the show, I would like her more than on the show.

54:45Claudia Oshry:I think on the show, she's like being a character, and I respect that. That's why you think this would be for me that the two of them are doing a podcast. Lala does a lot of podcasts. She does. I feel like she kind of can't get something to stick.

54:57Jackie Oshry:She does an unlikely affair with Randall's. And I feel like when they announced that, it was buzzy. but like the novelty has worn off and I don't think it's like a show that gets like a lot of consistent listenership. I see clips. I don't.

55:10Claudia Oshry:And it seems like they're having some compelling conversations. I'm sure. I just don't think it's very popular. I know. And I like the clips that I see, but like not enough to listen. She also does her solo podcast, right? Give them Lala. But I think she changed the name.

55:22Jackie Oshry:Yeah, so I just think she hasn't really been able to like strike yet with a podcast. And when you're a reality star, current or former, like podcasting is such a big revenue stream for you. Like I actually think Shenanigans is like, quite popular i think it does well she like works hard at it and like she has good guests so i feel like lala hasn't really had success in a podcast yet so she's just like trying different things because this is like the i feel like the third time we've done a story about a podcast

55:43Claudia Oshry:lala's launching yeah no she does her so and i think she's been doing it for a long time and it does well but then you get to a place where it's like well let's start another one we could double our revenue right you know like we've had those thoughts before if we did another evening toast yeah yeah a rewatch you know like that's sort of like what you start to think but I don't really think that that's like necessarily the right thing I also think this is like an iHeart radio podcast I think it's very like branded and stuff and they're probably just like getting paid and I just like no okay but did you want to talk about Sally and Kyle no that's why I thought you were choosing I'm like oh who cares and that's like old news doesn't do it for me he's also So like seeing Ava Dash?

56:27Jackie Oshry:Oh yeah. From Next Gen. She seems young. Yeah. He seems old. Well people like have rewritten history when it comes to the Summer House crew because Kyle was like wronged by Amanda so everyone's like giving him this like hero edit. So yeah he would date like a teenager. He's like not a good guy. What are you guys talking about? Everyone like seems to forget. But why would a girl like her date him? When you're new to the Bravo universe he's like the cool older guy, the senior. Please. No I'm serious. Because like that's people. He's the super senior. He is the 40 year old who's going back to college.

56:59Jackie Oshry:Like going to night school. Yeah.

57:02Claudia Oshry:No.

57:02Jackie Oshry:He's the one like. No but I can see being like young naive. New to reality TV. He's just part of this huge scandal.

57:07Claudia Oshry:But she's not naive because she's from the industry.

57:11Jackie Oshry:No but reality TV is like. Bravo is like a whole new universe. He's like one of the cool seniors. I'm telling you. Like I could see her being like dazzled by that.

57:21Claudia Oshry:Okay. that's surprising just a guess so that's what's going on in the Bravo sphere I feel like it's been kind of quiet a quiet summer for the Bravo universe what's on now people are saying Real Housewives of Orange County which it's just been too long for me to get back in I agree

57:37Jackie Oshry:I heard it's also a bad season for Heather Dubrow

57:39Claudia Oshry:I've missed too much oh she's on the show I didn't even know

57:44Jackie Oshry:yeah wasn't she like trying to get on Beverly Hills was she? yeah they sold their place in Orange County the one that they talked about forever and we finally got to see they had like a nobu in the kitchen yeah it was amazing

57:54Claudia Oshry:a nobu in the kitchen

57:55Jackie Oshry:you know it was amazing and then they sold it shortly after they set a record and they bought a place in LA I think a lot of people thought she was like aiming for a spot on Beverly Hills which actually she would be good for she does feel really out of place with the other women on Orange County but I guess she's back okay she must be paid well because she's a big draw and I think she last I checked

58:13Claudia Oshry:like she had a real friendship with some of the women Gina Gina okay we love Gina I'm surprised And you have Emily.

58:21Jackie Oshry:I'm surprised you're not watching. I love Emily. She has her head on straight. The last time I checked. Don't quote me on that. That's our show. Those are the stories. Right? Yeah. Thank you guys so much. Let's see you in the Toast on the Nightmare Morning Show. A fun and flirty Friday. That you need to know everybody.

58:36Claudia Oshry:Or fun and fearless like Elle would say. Or Taylor Swift. Oh, she's also fearless.

58:41Jackie Oshry:Wherever you guys are in the podcast, make sure to find us and leave a five star review at our beautiful setting in Winkly Town. I hope you guys have an amazing weekend. Hope you guys have some fun plans. And we'll see you on Monday. love ya bye