Bye Bye Bachelorette: Friday, March 20th, 2026

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13:43Claudia Oshry:Thank you, turts and conditions. You're welcome. Turts and conditions. Our first story. So here's the story. If any of you guys aren't following this as closely as we are, but you've been paying attention this week, because ABC has canceled Taylor Frankie Paul's season of The Bachelorette in the wake of horrifying abuse video. So starting earlier this week, we said there was a pause on filming of Slamu. Something happened between Taylor and Dakota. Seemed kind of innocuous, but then actually...

14:05Jackie Oshry:The timing was confusing because she was like literally at the Oscars the night before Sunday night, Monday morning. Everyone stops filming.

14:09Claudia Oshry:Then the news came out that there was like a domestic dispute with them. There's an investigation going on. He alleges like physical abuse. Choking with an epiless. Abusing, yeah, physical violence with a child. And that investigation was ongoing. So we're like, okay, wait and see. We're also watching the season unfold. Like Taylor is unraveling. The Bachelorette is coming up. The Bachelorette is premiering next week. And on the show, she's days away from The Bachelorette. And she's still like involved in this toxic relationship with Dakota. Dakota then yesterday a video came out on TMZ of a domestic incident between Taylor and Dakota from 2023 so not the one that's like got the show to pause this not the necklace choking but this

14:50Jackie Oshry:is the one that is associated with her arrest we knew she was arrested in 2023 on a domestic violence charge they had started filming for Secret Lives of Mormon Lives before she was arrested

14:59Claudia Oshry:then it became a storyline they used the body camera footage they didn't film for months they the show like almost didn't even make it. And this was before the show ever premiered. They had filmed like one episode and then their main character was arrested and it was really bad. And then months later they picked up filming again and she's pregnant in the video. When she was arrested, she was obviously drunk. She wasn't pregnant. She was fighting with Dakota. When they pick up months later, she's pregnant with Dakota's baby. So like the first season she's going through this pregnancy. She had two children from a previous marriage.

15:27Claudia Oshry:This was going to be her third. So it was always known that like there was something that happened that got her arrested. I don't think anyone like paid that. The fans didn't pay that much attention to the details of it, other than the fact that it was domestic violence, drunken disorderly content between neighbors called the police.

15:39Jackie Oshry:Yeah, and I think we can all acknowledge, when you hear about a domestic dispute where the female is the aggressor, it's way different of a reaction than when the male is the aggressor. Especially just looking at them, she's tiny and he's much bigger. You don't think it poses a real threat. So I think part of at least my reasoning for, I knew this, I think she was a physical abuser. No, not really, just because she's the girl.

15:59Claudia Oshry:I just thought she was a drunk, crazy person, like causing chaos. The neighbors heard. They called the police. It was more so like a noise thing. Yeah. And I just assumed it was that she pled guilty. She's been on probation ever since. But they never talked about it again on the show. Well, now. And so the video that dropped yesterday on TMZ is the video from that night.

16:17Jackie Oshry:And it is horrible. I actually, I started watching it yesterday. And when I heard the kid crying and I read in TMZ.com that like the kid was hit, I turned it off because it was like really upsetting me. And then this morning I was like, well, we have to talk about it. I probably made it the first 60 seconds and then today I was like we're gonna talk about it like let me watch the whole thing and I still actually couldn't even make it all the way through because when the kid is screaming mama mama mama and Taylor is just in a fucking rage like a zombie

16:42Claudia Oshry:she's chucking bar stools metal bar stools at Dakota with both hands yep and that and Dakota is filming so like first she he's like talking to her and be like look at you and she's like you did this and then she like puts him in a headlock again he was able to film the whole

16:56Jackie Oshry:I don't think at that point was he like really in pain. And then he had to put the phone down because she's literally wielding furniture.

17:02Claudia Oshry:Yeah.

17:03Jackie Oshry:And the kid, they're in their living room.

17:04Claudia Oshry:The kid is on the couch. The kid, the first they show that the kid is on the couch. So this is just happening in front of, at the time, their five-year-old, her five-year-old daughter, not his child. And then I guess the child gets hit with some collateral bar stool. And in the police report, they do say the child had like a goose egg and then they had to be treated for the injury. and she was arrested that night she's been on probation for three years she's still on probation it was actually funny because jesse said in the last episode taylor's not going to be at the halloween party so we can have alcohol i guess she has not been allowed to be around alcohol we have not seen her drink on the show so i think she's also sober now and now yes i did pick up on that and i didn't know what she was referencing and so that video is the reason that

17:48Jackie Oshry:that that's just another example of production like protecting taylor like yeah you can't be around alcohol now all the parties have to be sober well you just can't otherwise she can't

17:56Claudia Oshry:come but they want her like but they were going so out of their way to like have her on the show

18:00Jackie Oshry:even that's when when they were at the titles and jesse was like oh how long have you guys been here you're ready and glad she's like yeah well that's what happens when you don't get special treatment yeah yeah she it was in that moment i realized like yeah she is sort of like the main character but recently they've all sort of been holding their own weight and they all like are and that's why i thought it was weird that she was on the swing like and everybody else was

18:16Claudia Oshry:beneath her well as long as she's a swinger that's what everyone said sure but she was like higher up and in the middle and everybody was beneath her. But she definitely is like, even look, she's the biggest story in the country right now. She was the most like interesting character on the show and I think she has a really hard time, period. I think she has a hard time getting up. I think she has a hard time getting places. I think she like, and so they give her the latest call time because they just want her to show up. I want to talk about that actually. Let's just finish what happened. So yesterday the video from 2023 made its way to TMZ.

18:46Claudia Oshry:Everyone, you know. It's three horrifying minutes. The surmise is that Dakota sold it to TMZ.

18:50Jackie Oshry:Obviously. And while I think a lot of people think that this video like vindicates Dakota, it doesn't. No. They are both, one, two things can be true, right? He's not, you know, like this enormous victim. I also have heard that preceding the video, he locked her in the garage.

19:08Claudia Oshry:I saw someone say that, that like in the moments before this video, he had locked her in the freezing garage for a number of hours. Right. and then she comes out and then he starts recording and this is what happened no none of that excuse

19:20Jackie Oshry:it but just to be clear it's not like oh well now we know that dakota was the victim and taylor was the aggressor these are two abusive people i think her method of abuse is more physical i think his is very emotional and like verbal and you know that's sort of invisible abuse that you can't really say um psychological if you will so this is not like some big moment for dakota no i think to me he's still very much a villain and I think any I've been flip-flopping so much with like how I feel and obviously this has sort of cemented it for me. Yeah there's nothing to say after seeing this

19:52Claudia Oshry:video there's nothing you can say. ABC cannot run her season. They cannot like have this we can't just go and watch her season as if we didn't just see this video like it's over now. It's over. It's over and it has to be over. She has to be off Secret Lives. Yeah it's just crazy because this has been out there and so now thinking about her in the last few years. I feel like Dakota has been holding this over her the entire time. Steven DeMarco. It's funny because watching her on the show, it does not appear as though she has enjoyed any minute of this success and fame. She seems so sick, like riddled with anxiety.

20:29Claudia Oshry:She hates herself. She talks, when she talks to her family, she'll say like, I'm a bad person. They have to tell her, no, she isn't. And when I'm watching, when I used to watch that, I'm like, why? Because you were a swinger? Right. Because you like had a crush on your friend's husband? But no, it's because you hit your kid in the head with a chair. So all this time she has been like sort of like repenting and like. For this invisible thing. For this thing that we had no idea what it was. And now we know and now we're like mad. As mad as we were. As mad as she is at herself. Right. But like she has been punishing herself for that.

20:58Claudia Oshry:Like she has been hating herself. I think unless there's more than this. Like I think that this ruined her life. She never enjoyed anything of the last few years. I think she's always been waiting for the other shoe drop. I'm shocked she even said yes to The Bachelorette. knowing that would like ignite Dakota but I think she's in this hole and she doesn't know how to get out and she can't get out and now she's stuck again now I had thought this when I was watching

21:21Jackie Oshry:the finale and she wouldn't come out of her room to get on the plane the girls are outside she's like I'm so tired I'm so tired I'm so tired and then when she gets on the phone with Dakota he's like yeah me too me too um I just want to throw out the possibility because I had thought it at the time, but I feel like, why are you so tired? You know, like it's sort of, I felt, and this is all alleged, alleged, that like perhaps they were using hard drugs. Like why are you so tired? Because you were at Dakota, you had sex. Sex doesn't make you tired. People do it every night. Like, you know what I mean?

21:48Jackie Oshry:He does have like a history.

21:50Claudia Oshry:Yeah, I didn't get that impression, but now thinking about the state of her life, every time they show her house, it's an absolute mess. The way she appears, the way she, her hair, the way she dresses when she's not going to an event. Like I know it's like cool girl. I like to wear Uggs and Crocs, but it gets, it's more like the same one shirt. Like to me, I never was getting like, maybe you're right, but now I'm just like, this is a person who's like abused. Yeah. This is a person who is so sick. Yeah. And like, doesn't know what to do and hates themselves. And of course, if something like this, like it's unforgivable, how could she ever forget?

22:26Claudia Oshry:Like now I understand why she never forgave herself. Like she doesn't let herself enjoy anything of the last three years. All these girls are like loving secret lives. Yeah. She never had that energy. And maybe at the time you could have thought like, oh, she is just not affected. Right. No, it's like very dark.

22:40Jackie Oshry:Yeah. I think also, this is so crazy. I think also.

22:52Jackie Oshry:What was I going to say?

22:53Claudia Oshry:Oh, I thought you were like, just didn't know how to say it. I was trying to be sensitive.

22:55Jackie Oshry:No, no, no. Like, I think also, I don't know what I was going to say. Like, there's so much here. It's actually the craziest thing I've ever lived through.

23:01Claudia Oshry:Yeah, it really is. And I think the Stephen and Lucy analogy, like now I see it. Upholding on to something for so long. Yeah, and then like dropping it at the worst possible moment and like ruining this person. But my issue with Taylor, in addition to like what she did in that video, but like in this season, like she's just so weak. Like, I'm sorry, if Dakota's moving on with Shania, like that's now I understand the final scene. That's also why she's Lucy. That's why I understand the final scene of Tell Me Lies. Like actually it has to be his idea to like stop with her. And why, like, why is she still so in love with him?

23:37Claudia Oshry:Like falling into bed with him mad when he's with other people. Like you should be glad if he's going to leave you alone, even though he's doing it to get back at you, like giving him that reaction and like being so weak. If he is really like the person that he seems to be given the season and giving the timing of this video, going to TMZ, like why are you still in like in this dance with him? Like, why can't you be strong? Like you need to be strong.

24:01Jackie Oshry:Like you can't really. Well, I do believe she is a victim of his abuse, but also an abuser herself. And that's why I said it reminds me so much of Johnny Depp and Amber Heard. I really can't. And that's how I felt with Lucy, too. And Lucy, she was a college aged kid. This is like a 31 year old mom of three. Like at some point, like if you can't fight for yourself and your family and your kids and your kids have now ended up in this mess. The fact that after that incident, yes, she spent the next three years being like self-pitying, hating herself. Like, why don't you throw yourself into motherhood?

24:29Jackie Oshry:Like I actually at this point, like I don't give a fuck anymore. Like who's the abuser of him versus her. Like all I care about is the fact that there's three kids now and one of them is shared by both of you. And quite literally no one except Taylor's mom seems to care about this kid. Like I actually don't even care so much anymore about their. When I saw that, I heard the kid screaming. Oh, and I just want to say like I think anyone who hears their kid screaming like that sound mama mama. That could literally wake you up out of a fucking coma. Taylor is so I think like a minute goes by before she addresses her child who she just hit in the head like I'm sorry I don't care like I literally don't care if she's the victim if he's the victim you two toxic idiots who cannot take accountability for your own lives like go go do that by yourselves like leave the kids out of it like now that the kids are involved like I don't even care about getting down to the bottom of like who's who like it's over it's just over and I think you really just like as much as well you want to have like sympathy for what she's going through because I do believe he's like an evil person at some point like you gotta just stand up for yourself right for your kid you have to have

25:29Claudia Oshry:strength and it's really hard to do it's hard but you it can be done and you can do it and there are

25:33Jackie Oshry:women who do it there are women who do it with no money right with no family no resources you have every resource in the world to like take up for yourself and your fucking kids and like you haven't done it better choices and you haven't done it so like actually i just really can't you have three of the best reasons on earth yeah to do it yeah and so i and if even at that lowest moment where you I believe accidentally hit your kid in the head with a chair if that isn't the thing to pull you up by your fucking bootstraps out of rock bottom but then continue to have that behavior I can't champion you I can't help you you can't even help yourself like yeah so I just think she's disgusting you're both white trash quite frankly yeah that was a perfect quote what were you gonna say when you lost your train of thought oh that that like the fact that she didn't like throw herself into motherhood because I've and you know you can't say these things when you're recapping a show but like it is weird that every time we see her she's going to her parents house to pick up ever yeah like no and it's not even like she has him full time so correct like and i understand it's difficult to juggle mother but it's like i don't know when are we gonna start prioritizing the kids like yeah that's what i was gonna say and like you can't say that shit when she's just like a regular person but now we know that she's like a deeply problematic abuser like yeah also spend time with your kids yeah and they never stop really filming so it's not like oh we'll

26:45Claudia Oshry:film for two months okay you know what motherhood will just like like but all the other girls managed to do it yeah no yeah they're all always with their kids and they're full-time parents like when you're co-parenting that means you have your kids half the time so that the half that you

27:00Jackie Oshry:have them you're it's not even 100 but also i don't believe that she has ever full time um half at the time i think that like because remember we were saying dakota took off for three weeks like i think that he comes and goes as he pleases i don't you think she has him for more than half the time i do oh i thought you're about to say that he has no no no i believe she has i think the other kids she co-parents very well with the old husband and i need to hear from him yeah um they co-parent very well and i do believe like they do 50 50 because i think he has like a very stable home life um and i think for before the video came out a lot of people were using that in defense of taylor like look she co-parents really well with her ex um it can be done but dakota's the problem no the two of them are just radioactive yeah and i truly only wish them both like truly the worst like yeah and i never want to see them again like why am i talking about this

27:44Claudia Oshry:This is so low. It's so low. We're not going to see them again. So now it just begs the question, like, will MomTalk survive this? Will the show, do you think there will be

27:52Jackie Oshry:another season of the show? Absolutely. One, because this is a national news story. And I do want to know what the other girls do. And we were like, a core problem with this show is like the girls are sheep, right? They don't ever really stand up for what they believe. They're young girls who are very, very influenced by online rhetoric and online hate and online public opinion. So they just go with whatever the comments say or what they think the comments will say. We never really get to hear because now apparently they've all known this. Oh, please. Like, you know what I mean? If you didn't know it, that is just awful.

28:22Jackie Oshry:Yeah.

28:23Claudia Oshry:But I feel like even if they knew this and they were disgusted with Taylor from 2023. She was so powerful. They were never. No, but the production always took Taylor's side. The show is revolved around her. The first season, Whitney didn't really want to be associated with Taylor. And we were like, oh, you're judgmental. Yeah. You know, like I blame production for like making Taylor. You have to be the one that you have to get along with in order for you to have a place on the show. Otherwise, you're like cast out of mom talk. Yeah, that's so true. No one really ever beats with Taylor. Unless they were just like, I'm not going to be on the show because I don't want to be associated, which like at 23 years old, when like you are being offered a show, like a life-changing amount of money and fame, you'll be like, okay, I'll figure it out.

29:03Jackie Oshry:So to answer your question, I do think the show will go on at least for one more season. Same with Vanderpump Rules. Like while the show was on its last fucking leg, they still got another season and it was interesting and good. And after that, it was just not worth watching. So I do. And I think that if they try hard enough, like they can have a successful show. Because I will say like as somebody who's watched a show from the very beginning. And I knew about MomTalk drama before I wasn't new to all this. Like she was kind of my least favorite part of the show. Like she's so crazy. I like the other girls.

29:26Jackie Oshry:I think they've all done a good job of like establishing themselves.

29:28Claudia Oshry:When I think of MomTalk, I actually don't think of her. And then I like remember like she's in her own or like crazy orbit over there. Like when I think of like Macy and Michaela and Jesse. And I agree. There's at least one more season here. And I just want to say in thinking about it, I don't think the Whitman had seen this video. Me neither Before yesterday No I think it was something that like Stayed between the two of them Very Stephen and Lucy And No police and investigators And then anyone who's running a background check It's just insane that like The

29:53Jackie Oshry:Like these people are so famous Right we talk about them all the time And all this is out there

29:56Claudia Oshry:Yeah I saw someone say like She did talk about this on Vile Files once I think she like tried to explain like How bad Like I don't think she was trying to hide What she did Ever But I don't think people realize Right You know and it's like There's oh I saw a really good comparison it was like some NFL player I think Ray Rice he had been like there was a story that he had abused his romantic partner and he got suspended for two games and then the video came out and he never played in the NFL again did you see the video he should never leave his house again yes dragging by the hair it's fucking awful there's a difference between hearing oh he abused his wife okay suspended even though the NFL just sucks it's a joke yeah yeah but then seeing the video where it's like there's no coming back

30:37Jackie Oshry:it's on par with the Cassie P. Diddy hotel security footage in terms of like the worst thing I've ever seen in my fucking life.

30:44Claudia Oshry:Yeah. So like they heard that she, the domestic violence incident. Okay, we'll pause the show.

30:49Jackie Oshry:We're not, we'll pick up later. And I just want to say, that's what the difference is. And I think you can't talk about this conversation without talking about how different it is when like a female is the aggressor versus the man being the aggressor. Because there was absolutely nobody saying when the Cassie video came out or when the Rice video came out being like, well, she was also kicking him, you know, but like, like, could you, excuse me? now it's just interesting how there's so much discourse and people are making really valid points on both sides like i agree with everyone so what are you trying to say that it should be

31:16Claudia Oshry:the same no i'm just saying it's not the same no it's not the same i mean biologically we're not

31:20Jackie Oshry:the same no correct stronger than women i mean there's a reason why he thought he could film her abusing him physically because up and before she picked up the chair she was not a real threat

31:29Claudia Oshry:yeah oh yeah if a woman was in head you wouldn't just like you can you need both hands yeah no

31:33Jackie Oshry:like like physically speaking i'm like you can't talk about this like it's different and there's a reason why like oh i wasn't because if this was revolves reverse we'd be like well you're a victim blaming dakota like no because he's also an abuser yeah no i and i'm not even saying and that's why people have such a hard time also with the johnny dev amber heard case like that's inconceivable yeah yeah but she did that shit like so did he yeah so did he um and then can we just quickly talk about jesse and jordan oh yeah that's our next story um no one is surprised all of this Jordan. Literally in the middle of the day yesterday, everyone is reeling from this video.

32:10Jackie Oshry:That's so Jordan. Okay. It's like, do you think there? Okay. There's two things happening. One, Jordan is obviously jealous of all the attention the other two are getting. And two, you know, him and that loser are best friends, which I just want to say match made in fucking heaven. I could see him being like, bro, let me help you. Maybe the tides were turning. The comments were turning negative towards Dakota. It's not panning out the way he thought it was being like, here, Let me drop this because Jordan filed.

32:33Claudia Oshry:Jordan filed for divorce from Jesse. So no more separation. Beep, boop, bop. The house is like divorce. They are getting divorced. He did it on the day that the video came out, which is so weird because I know I feel like he like wanted to cap, like get a part of the action. But it actually buries his story. Who gives a fuck? Right. Like if he really wanted his moment, he should have waited. Of course. Like and you know what? Good. But I just want to say, I think he filed when he saw the episode about the prenup. I don't think he knew that. I don't think he knew that. He didn't get his chance.

33:04Claudia Oshry:I don't think he knew that he was entitled to this.

33:07Jackie Oshry:I think that the prenup is going to stand because I don't think she would be dumb enough to put that out there and give him a big signal being like, hey, if we get divorced because we don't even like each other, you could get half my empire.

33:20Claudia Oshry:you know but if if the prenup doesn't stand period like if it just if it's not going to then what does she have to lose by saying that on right the show and at least now we know that at least now we know he's taking half and like we can ride at dawn well yeah now that you've

33:34Jackie Oshry:officially separated everybody go to jayzystyles.com buy the merch because now that they're separated and now that he filed okay so now we can buy everything now support jesse i did you see she also posted with sasha farber from dancing with the stars being like a video she's like i I barely know how to dance, but Sasha Farber's teaching me. Jessie for The Bachelorette. Jessie for Dancing with the Stars.

33:53Claudia Oshry:Jessie for Traders. Well, I don't think, as much as we can now say who would be a good Bachelorette, I think The Bachelorette is so done with these people. So what does this mean for the franchise? And they also are losing like tens of millions of dollars. The guys who thought they were about to have their big break, who quit their jobs, back to work.

34:07Jackie Oshry:I just want to say, the guys who quit their jobs. That serves you right for being like a man who quits his job to go on reality TV. Like, that's for girls. Sorry. Like, that does suck. Big balls. like that just fucking blows yeah it happens a lot because you can't take like really like a 10-week hiatus from work a lot of people quit their jobs oh i read the spoilers for her season

34:29Claudia Oshry:i guess like we can share them right and actually it was surprising i'm gonna share them who gives a fuck it was surprising in the fact that nothing crazy happened she made it to the end with a guy decoded like nothing based on what i saw he didn't show up dakota chase or no one the guy from the No, not that I think. And she chose a guy at the end. Was his name? Yes. I saw people in the comments. By the way, your three didn't even make it. But I had chose two. I can say who cares. By the way, it's never airing. So did they get engaged? I believe they got engaged.

35:01Jackie Oshry:No, and then in January they broke up. You're kidding me. I'm sorry.

35:05Claudia Oshry:Even if the season had aired, such a waste of time. Yeah, they broke up and then she was back doing Toxic Chick with Dakota. But like obviously she's not with either one of them right now.

35:15Jackie Oshry:Okay. Just can we go back to Jordan and Jesse? Because like I hate that this is getting buried because like this is the best thing that's personally ever happened to me. I hate him so much. And like if she does have to give him half like just do it. Like it's worth the price of admission. It's worth the price of your freedom.

35:30Claudia Oshry:But imagine like imagine if Salamu kind of tanks after this. Like I don't know how many brands will want to be like us. And especially for now like I think things are going to cool off.

35:39Jackie Oshry:But she's the only one who has like a really legit business outside. They said that she was really rich before the show even started. She always had the nicest house with her salon, which is enormous. And then it also, like she has a line of extensions. Like she makes her hair. You could buy her products online. It's very successful.

35:52Claudia Oshry:Yes, but it's like the peak years of her earning. Yeah.

35:55Jackie Oshry:It was when she was married. Let me ask you a question. If you start your business, I don't know what the Utah, you know, let me just ask chat. Like in Utah, marital law. If you start your business before you get married. In Utah law, if someone starts a business before they get married and they end up getting divorced, do they owe their partner half of the business?

36:15Jackie Oshry:searching the web no not automatically in utah your spouse does not automatically get half of the business you started before marriage it can get more nuanced so utah is an equitable distribution state where the courts divide marital property fairly not necessarily 50 50 it's like fair depends on things like the length of the marriage income contributions i love that because he doesn't work. Hopefully the judge. A business started before marriage is usually separate property. If you owned a business before getting married, it is generally considered your separate property. That means your spouse does not automatically get halved, but part of it can become divisible, and this is where people get tripped up.

36:54Jackie Oshry:Even if the business started before the marriage, your spouse may be entitled to a portion of the value if the business grew during the marriage. Right, a portion of the value that grew. Or if the growth was due to marital money. No. Your spouse's efforts helping run it to support it. Actually, I would say the opposite. No, her whole family works.

37:10Claudia Oshry:I would say despite of Jordan's behavior on the show, she is still a success. Or your own work during the marriage. Damn. I'm sure he'll fight tooth in a hole. When was Jay-Z Styles in Utah incorporated?

37:26Jackie Oshry:Why is it called Z? Her name is Draper. I don't know. Maybe she started with a business partner. Well, she said that her dad like. runs the business helped her with the business okay so jay-z styles hair llc was established in 2016 and they've been hired for five years so yeah she started five years before okay great yeah praying for her praying for her and i'm genuinely so happy oh and i just want to say i think that we just need to acknowledge and say it loud like the husbands have ruined one of the greatest show like let this be a lesson like keep your ugly smelly thirsty ass husbands off of women's TV like you really ruined unless they are Frank Catania oh yeah Joe happy being like subplot characters who are the butt of the joke like that's why the house but husbands of the Jersey were so successful because they literally like never like never acted like they were better or what are bigger like they just enjoyed the scraps that they were giving the men of Utah have ruined one of the greatest shows of all time and let's not forget that okay yeah yeah it will be But Taylor also ruined it.

38:33Jackie Oshry:Yeah. And really, like, I guess the show always had an expiration date. But she ruined it from the start. The show always had an expiration date.

38:39Claudia Oshry:It's crazy that this happened really before the show was greenlit, before any of this. No, the show was greenlit. No, but then it was redlit. Yeah, of course, but they knew they were going to be on TV. No, but then it happened and they didn't know that if the show was going to move forward. They had filmed one episode and it happened. So it's like, oh, we have no show. And everything that came after came after this incident. I wonder if the girls. So it was like always set to fail because the moment we saw this, it was going to be over.

39:05Jackie Oshry:Oh, and Whitney is obviously not returning to this shit show of a franchise.

39:09Claudia Oshry:Honestly, Whitney will come out unscathed. Like, because now I think when you, like, if you are branding, you want to book like a Mormon wife, there's a bad association at the moment. At the moment. Except with Whitney. Maybe they can bring it back, but not with Whitney. She lives somewhere else. Like, honestly, good unto me. Slay unto me. Not that I know what she's going to do next, but at least she's not like completely attached to this.

39:28Jackie Oshry:Just being like, you know, it was a quote and she responded like, I'll die on this hill. And the quote was like, as long as you have like a happy home life and, you know, nothing else matters. Like you're richer than.

39:37Claudia Oshry:Also, it's worth mentioning that Taylor's team did put out a statement that's very confusing. Yeah, very garbage. A spokesperson said, it's sad to see the latest installment of his never ending, desperate, attention seeking, destructive campaign to harm Taylor without any regard for the consequences for their child. releasing an old video which conveniently omits context on their son's birthday is a reprehensible attempt to distract from his own behavior thankfully the public has seen this act before and knows who he is and sadly many will recognize this pattern of manipulation both in his actions on the show and from their own experiences well while i can see a world in which this is very like

40:15Jackie Oshry:steven de marco and yeah he all of that is true to not open your statement being like i'm horrified like this the worst moment of my whole life everyone has now watched on TMZ like I don't know yeah that part that's bad that's bad yeah yeah and like if there is context missing which she said which is that which is rumors online are that he locked her in a freezing cold Utah garage for hours while their kids were inside like tell us what context what's with the vague tell us yeah I wonder why they're I wonder what she's gonna do like she can do a sit-down interview and like who would take this on who would take this on I don't know I think if Alex Cooper did it she would get like a lot of hate but like that's what i think of like a sit down interview on a podcast

40:57you think alex hooper should do it um like i feel conflicted between like let's stop giving this

41:04Jackie Oshry:trash more platform just to like you know continue being awful but also like i i can't see a world in which there's a really uh the context in which she speaks that there is a lot more to the story and we are all wrapped up in the story. We're all wrapped up in the story. And I just want to say everything we see and hear is from Dakota. So it's very easy to be team Dakota when it's like we're getting all where maybe Taylor has videos. You know what I mean? Yeah. So like, but I don't think it would help because I think at the end of the day, it's like she still did that shit. No, it's over. But like, but she go out like in her worst moment.

41:38Jackie Oshry:I don't.

41:40Claudia Oshry:Maybe in five years she writes a book. I don't know. No, but like by then she'll be like solidified as what we just saw. Yeah. As opposed to like her in some way trying to rectify. Yeah. But yeah, as much as like you don't want to platform this anymore and we want to move on, like we are all. I'm interested to hear from her. And we are all involved in this. Like we are all paying attention. Everyone is like very emotionally invested in the story. So if there's more to the story, then we should know the rest of the story. I wonder, I mean, can you imagine like what her day is like, what yesterday was like for her?

42:13Jackie Oshry:I actually imagine maybe there's a part of her that's relieved. Like if he was sort of holding this thing over her for three years and she knows how much she has to lose, she can enjoy any of her success. And it's like, yeah, it's the worst thing ever, but it's happened. Like nothing worse can happen. Yeah.

42:27Claudia Oshry:Maybe. Yeah. Like if you think about the way she's acted on the show. It's not normal. It's like she's been holding her breath like and hating herself. Yeah. Now we know why she hated it when she always used to cry and never break down. I'm a bad person. Like, and we just didn't get it. Yeah. Okay, well, that's Slamu for the day. We'll see what happens over the weekend. Our next story. Like, who cares? I know, I know. Genuinely? Do we have an ad break? Should we just end? Should we just end? Can we, like, do Queenie? Like, seriously, do you care that Usher and Justin Bieber? I kind of do. I kind of do.

43:04Claudia Oshry:Usher and Justin Bieber had an intense altercation at Beyonce's Oscars after party, TMZ, has learned. Yes, which is, like, kind of crazy.

43:15Jackie Oshry:It is. Because of their history. Of course. And there is something like always eternally weird about Justin Bieber's like rise to fame, right?

43:25Claudia Oshry:Mm-hmm. Yeah, I guess because like people insist.

43:29Jackie Oshry:You know, there's something weird. Because he was young. Because he was young, there's something weird. Like whenever we talk about like internet or no, sorry, like Hollywood weirdness, like Justin Bieber always gets brought up. So this is weird. and like when you think of the people who are very um who were very involved in his upbringing you think of Scooter Braun and Usher now both of them don't talk to Justin Bieber but they talk to

43:50Claudia Oshry:each other interesting that's like not so crazy to me like people have falling outs you know especially if you like if you look back on your life oh I didn't like how this was done or that or I feel like that person took advantage of me it's like okay you were there for a season but

44:06Jackie Oshry:Well, also another interesting part about this is that Taylor Swift was at the party. So you're telling me Taylor Swift was in the same room as like Justin Bieber. I don't know why. I think that's so weird. She has like so many like landmine enemies. Like when you think about like the connections from like all the different people in her life. Former friends, you know, foes. And it's like, did they talk? She could literally like step on him. Oh, yeah, of course. I don't think she's afraid of him. I'm surprised Justin went.

44:27Claudia Oshry:Yeah, but he doesn't care about anything. Yeah, he doesn't. So he probably doesn't even know he has beef with Taylor Swift.

44:32Jackie Oshry:Like I imagine when Taylor confirms her RSVP at a party, she also gets like a copy of the guest list, making sure that like, you know, Karlie Klaus isn't there.

44:40Claudia Oshry:Maybe at a point. But I feel like now when she shows up somewhere, especially like with Travis, it's like, yeah, nothing else matters.

44:46Jackie Oshry:No, not only that nothing else matters, like everybody's an actual plebeian compared to her. Like even at Beyonce and Jay-Z's Oscar party, it's like, well, Taylor Swift is here.

44:53Claudia Oshry:Right. So like, and I'm sure plenty of people in that room have beef with each other, whether like people are famous or just like business people. Speaking of beef, are we going to talk about Olivia Rodrigo? No.

45:04Jackie Oshry:Can we?

45:04Claudia Oshry:Sure. What did she do?

45:05Jackie Oshry:She was on the cover of British Vogue. Right. She actually looks really pardy. She's gearing up for another album. And the, I just have to say, the person who interviewed her, like, obviously listens to the toast because they asked her about Sabrina Carpenter and she gave her a very political answer. But then the writer writes like, you know, she insists that it's all good, but Olivia looks visibly uncomfortable or like agitated. Well, that is bias. By the writer. Yeah. and Olivia basically said like I love Sabrina like so happy for her success and it's just like you know it's this thing that everyone's like always going to bring up and it's just like annoying and it's like yeah well I'm going to bring it up always

45:38Claudia Oshry:well you started it well that's that is why I wanted to bring it up so yeah it's annoying it was annoying for Sabrina to have to climb out of the hole that you dug and pushed her into so that's what I wanted to say and I'm actually really glad you said that you forever intertwined yourself with her the older girl

45:52Jackie Oshry:Olivia Rodrigo is so lucky that like the one in a million thing that happened to Sabrina Carpenter did because it was on its way to being like a tragedy of Olivia's doing. Like what now in hindsight, like it's fine because Sabrina's the biggest star in the world. Like maybe she wouldn't have been that without the drama, but she really got that like all on her own, like just out of sheer talent. But not enough people talk about like how, if that didn't happen, like how awful that was. And so sorry, if like if your punishment is having to be asked about it in every interview you do,

46:23Claudia Oshry:like I think that's fair. Because like you decided to get in the ring and now people are keeping in the ring. Like, okay.

46:28Jackie Oshry:yeah and I'm sure at one point like Sabrina's rise to fame like maybe bothered Olivia but now she should be grateful for it because she would have just ended up being like in if you look back at the story like a big bully yeah like bullied this girl out of the music industry yeah but she

46:40Claudia Oshry:was also 16 and she was just like writing about her feelings that's also true you know yeah she didn't have to be so specific but I think that's how she like communicates her feelings so all things are fine just like prepare to always be associated with it yeah and don't ask me to feel

46:56Jackie Oshry:bad for you yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah i'm streaming skin as always sabrina also headlined last night um lalapalooza like international i forget where it was like somewhere huge it was like a hundred thousand people i was watching like somebody put like a 30 minute video of the concert on tiktok

47:11Claudia Oshry:today and i was watching it it was amazing oh sabrina didn't yeah reeney reeney she looks so

47:16Jackie Oshry:cute south america i want to say san paulo but don't quote me on that you just wanted to say i I did just want to say San Paolo. So, yeah. Cheetah girls, cheetah sisters. Was I right about San Paolo? Oh, no. Okay. I was right.

47:35Claudia Oshry:Oh, our next story is actually very exciting news for here at the Toast. For here? For here. Because Debbie Lovato is addressing her viral heart attack performance at the American Heart Association event. So, one of the greatest stories ever. Of our time. I was sort of like my bubble is burst a little bit. I wish she was never asked. Demi Lovato performed at the American Heart Association. Like five years ago. Event. And she performed her hit song Heart Attack. If I ever did that, I think I'd have a heart attack.

48:07Jackie Oshry:I think I'd have a heart attack. Like she said heart attack probably 50 times. To a bunch of people with heart conditions. You know, have heart conditions themselves. Been affected by people who have lost people to heart. and the internet was just questioning the choice in song.

48:22Claudia Oshry:It went viral for all the wrong reasons and the right ones and it was just like a really funny piece of Demi Lovato lore. Now she is doing press. For her cookbook.

48:31Jackie Oshry:She wrote a cookbook.

48:32Claudia Oshry:Oh, one plate at a time.

48:34Jackie Oshry:Because she started doing like TikTok food content. She was going to do a cookbook. Yeah, and I'm not sure about this, but I think like a huge part of like her eating disorder healing journey is like learning to cook. It's been like this big thing for her. And so I think in her cookbook,

48:46Claudia Oshry:if I'm remembering the reporting that we did. The stellar reporting. It was like part cookbook, like part. Memoirs. Memoirs of her eating disorder struggle and food healing her. Yeah, right, exactly. So like part story, part cookbook. So that's why she's going like a little deep in some of the interviews. Part herstory. Correct. Part cookbook.

49:04Jackie Oshry:Herstory.

49:05Claudia Oshry:You know what? There's a lot of cookbooks out there. Like you kind of have to do something different. Switch it up a thousand percent. You need an angle. Yeah. So she said, I want to sit. She talked about the event on Elvis Duran. Like shout out to them for bringing that up. asking this question. The important questions. She said they asked me to sing that. She said I flagged that beforehand and was like, um, isn't this like not the vibe? And they said that the AHA told her that fans would want to hear the 2013 track. So she agreed. And then of course, people online are like, why did she sing that?

49:34Claudia Oshry:I'm like, y 'all, it wasn't me. I flagged it. I just want to say that AHA

49:38Jackie Oshry:has got a wicked sense of humor. I think a lot of people are like so afraid to offend or whatever, but I don't know. I like love that they did this. Yeah. she was also recently on Kiki Palmer's podcast it's like an amazing podcast she like baked cookies for Kiki and brought them into Tupperware it was really cute but then I was reading people's comments and when we were talking about people who could replace Kelly Clarkson we didn't mention Kiki Palmer and I just want to say she absolutely could her podcast is really funny and she interviews people she sings I think it's actually and she did do the GMA circuit member

50:09Claudia Oshry:the same syllables the Kiki Palmer show

50:11Jackie Oshry:yes and she has background in like network talk TV. She did like the third hour of GMA or whatever with like Michael Strahan. It was like, it got canceled, but I think people really liked it. Not enough people, but give Kiki Palmer a chance. I actually think that's a really good call.

50:25Claudia Oshry:Great. I agree. We just got breaking news. In our phones? Yeah. Hold on. I want my genuine reaction. Oh, okay.

50:34Jackie Oshry:Oh, Chuck Norris died? Yeah. Rest in peace. That's so sad. He's an American martial. Like, obviously, I know his face. Like, what is he from? And he's just, like, iconic from what? Yeah. I feel like he was in Entourage a lot, you know? He's just, everyone uses his name. Yes. But he's, like, apparently a martial artist king. Yeah. Of karate, taekwondo, tang su-do, chun kuk-do, Brazilian jiu-jitsu, and judo. But the internet wastes no time. Like, he's already dead on his Wikipedia, you know?

51:07Claudia Oshry:Oh, wow.

51:08Jackie Oshry:That's insane. March 10th to March 19th, 2026. Like, that's crazy. How old was he? He was... How old?

51:20Claudia Oshry:86. Oh, wow. A life well lived. Mm-hmm. Are you ready for our fifth and final story? Yeah. SNL launches a short-form series called The Rundown. All right, let's dive into Queenie and Weenie of the Week. Happily. But SNL has launched a new short-form series on Peacock and YouTube titled The Rundown. in each episode SNL alum like the faves Dana Carvey Mikey Day Bowen Yang Bowen Yang Quest Love will select a favorite segment from the show's history and add it to Warren Michael's famous the rundown board building an all-star episode over time so just old clips like stitched together yeah to make like for the best SNL episode I guess that's like what happens when you don't have like when like the past is behind you like the best is behind you yeah all right

52:04Jackie Oshry:Let's dive into Queenie and Weenie of the Week, our weekly segment. It was actually very hard to choose Queenie and Weenie because obviously like. Queenie is. Right. But obviously Queenie and Weenie.

52:13Claudia Oshry:Honestly, because we only have Weenies. I'm sorry. That's my Queenie right there. Actually, I had a couple of Queenies. That's my Queenie right there. Connor Leavitt. Like rising above. I want to hear from Connor Leavitt on the matter.

52:25Jackie Oshry:Connor does not want to talk about it. Like they are so happy to be out. So Queenie and Weenie of the Week is our final segment of the week where Jackie and I wrap up the week in a little bow. Turn around, take a look at a glance and give out two awards. Queenie of the Week and Weenie of the Week. It's very self-explanatory. If you acted in a Queenie-like manner, you might find yourself as Queenie of the Week. Don't get too comfortable, sweetheart, because next week you could be the Weenie of the Week, too. It's a seven-day title. It's all in good fun. Obviously, like, you know, Dakota's not the Weenie of the Week.

52:47Claudia Oshry:Right, like, if you've committed crimes, you are not the Weenie. Like, you're going to jail instead. Yeah. To, perhaps. Oh, I have an interesting Queenie.

52:55Jackie Oshry:Who's your Queenie? I don't know if you saw, but last night, the members of Florida Georgia Line reunited for a concert. I saw. Now, actually, in recent weeks, we haven't talked about it, but the four of them, the two players of the band and their wives went on a trip, a vacation together, then posted a selfie being like a great weekend of healing, yada, yada. They have exclusive like each individually talked a lot about their breakup and more so recently. And I think that they both tried. I think they got back together for whatever reason. But I think it was that they both tried to be individual singers and flopped so hard.

53:28Jackie Oshry:And it's hard to reclaim. They were so successful, like insane. Lightning in a bottle. Lightning in a bottle. And honestly, I don't think them getting back together is going to be that lighting again.

53:36Claudia Oshry:Like, it's ruined. And like, we've moved on. You know, the Ella Langley is now crewman. Of course. And like, your wives hate each other. Like, I know that they do. Are you still Lib and you still MAGA? Like, they claimed.

53:47Jackie Oshry:They claimed. She's still. They claimed it had nothing to do with being Lib and MAGA. Like, they both maintain that so hard, even though that's obviously what it is. That's obvious.

53:55Claudia Oshry:No, it's obvious that like the two wives like didn't want. Like, they just don't vibe. To be associated. No, no. I don't even think it's that. I think it's like, they just don't. They're not friends. they don't vibe and like when you're so intertwined with this other couple that like you actually don't want to spend time with and now you're going on the road together every event like they're literally like by your side for everything like that's not fun if that's not someone that

54:14Jackie Oshry:you're actually close to but i do want to commend them for putting whatever political differences aside and trying to reclaim the magic i'm cheering you on if you want to start releasing bangers like cruise like i personally am down i'm ready to receive that kind of information so queenie of the week to both of you for being mature adults 10 years later respect my queen of the week is conor leavitt no explanation necessary no he's got the magic in him we got the magic in me oh you know what whenever we can think of a weenie we should just make a ben blad i love that we need a ben blad my week is like full of weenies i know so i was trying to think obviously my weenie had to come from secret lives of mormon wives but there are so many people who acted actually above and beyond weenie dumb like but i feel like jordan is your weenie no jordan needs to go to jail my

54:56Claudia Oshry:Weenie is Zach Affleck. I'm sorry. I know that's hard for you. It's okay. It's a temporary title and he deserves it. He does deserve it. But like also Jen sent him. I know.

55:03Jackie Oshry:And it's like the woman is supposed to know that. But I'm not going to blame the postpartum woman. I'm going to blame the man. So Zach Affleck, you are Weenie of the Week. My Weenie of the Week is Jace Matthews. Sad.

55:17Jackie Oshry:Jackie hates Jace. Like you actually, people don't even know. Like the extent that you really hate him. And she sends me these crazy voice memos when she's watching the show being like, you ugly little rat. Why don't you get the fuck away from your wife who just had a baby? I fucking hate him.

55:33Claudia Oshry:I can't stand him. Oh, my God. No, and you're so valid for that. He doesn't get enough hate. He does not get enough hate. And, like, once he gets enough hate, like, we can move on from it. And I want them to be together. And I just, like, want him to shut the fuck up for a minute. Like, let your wife breathe. Let her breathe.

55:50Jackie Oshry:She moved to California, did you say?

55:52Claudia Oshry:no that's bad news no she said for her healing like she was on the beach oh she needs fresh air that's like you know when you the back in the day if you had like consumption you had to like go dry out in arizona right so she said like pov you moved your family to california so that you could heal

56:06Jackie Oshry:and like all the kids were at the beach it was cute but like i didn't see jace interesting is she healing mentally emotionally or physically it was giving physical i hope so i do that sounds

56:16Claudia Oshry:nice because yeah people also said they were living with mold and that's what was causing her outbreaks. So hopefully they can fix that up. But I understand she needs a little vitamin C S E A. Love that. Not vitamin D at the moment.

56:29Jackie Oshry:Vitamin J. A great week of shows. A pleasure as always. We're actually recording a Patreon after this. So yesterday we recorded. Oh we didn't even talk about this. Kind of the craziest episode we've ever done on Patreon. We have been told for years to get our birth charts read. Jackie and I don't really buy into that. Nevertheless we had a professional astrologer create our charts and then do a reading of them for us and i will say like as skeptical as i was she kind of nailed it on a lot of friends she nailed us she joined us virtually she read our charts explained everything we talked a lot about like our compatibility cosmically which like i said yesterday remember when i said jackie and i were irish twins like she totally corroborated that yeah more so like soulmates soul sisters sisters it's true like our

57:12Claudia Oshry:stars are aligned our stars are aligned we share a lot of like degrees we share 22 so that's on patreon and then today what was your biggest learning of yourself i'm actually like a very

57:22Jackie Oshry:self-aware person it's something i really know but like what was like she told us a lot that i'm like

57:26Claudia Oshry:yeah facts but like what was the biggest thing that you took away like that you're an artist oh she did say that i forgot about that she did say that i was an artist um and like she really took you seriously in your art and like this is your art like yeah it's not like you're gonna go painting but like you're comedy you are an artist no she saw me for really the artist that i am she

57:43Jackie Oshry:did yeah so that i really appreciated and then also my favorite part and like the thing i took away is like we are literally like connected in an interstellar oh that's so beautiful yeah i was

57:52Claudia Oshry:telling them i feel like now i'm also looking out for the number 22 oh also i need her to like make

57:57Jackie Oshry:charts for my children obviously like and my husband but i need like the number 22 i've never had a favorite number like how taylor swift like she sees 13 and everything i've never had like a number that means anything to me and she did say that like both of our charts our numbers 22 were very heavily you know influenced with the number 22 the number 22 was showing up a lot i just feel Like now when I start like looking at the clock, it's going to be like 1041.

58:21Claudia Oshry:I guess the 41 is 22 plus 22 minus three.

58:27Jackie Oshry:So she joined us virtually. It was a really fun episode where we got both of our charts read. And then today, Jackie and I, we're like all about bringing in professionals to the background. We've also been told. Because your time here is winding down. It's like everything we've ever wanted to do like we're doing right now. So today we have a color analyst. I've actually, this is something I want to do for myself. Like getting your colors done. I've been told I'm a deep winter. I don't know what that means. We have an actual professional coming to do an on-camera color analysis for both of us. So we're going to finally like walk away knowing who we really are.

58:51Jackie Oshry:Yeah.

58:52Claudia Oshry:And we're going to, she wanted us to take off our makeup and I'm going to need her to make a case for that. We bought makeup remover. I'm open to it, but like, I don't need my colors for when I'm in my pajamas. Like, this is what I look like. Yeah. No, I'm also like, I'm just not doing that. No, but like, I want my colors for this face.

59:07Jackie Oshry:Yeah. Right. Not my makeup. Because if I'm wearing color, I'm also wearing makeup. Right. Patreon.com slash to toast. Become a member. It's$7.99 a month. Our OG price, we've never raised it, by the way. $7.99 if you love the toast. It's inflation-proof. It's five extra episodes a month. Now, those episodes are sometimes vlogs, sometimes, you know, professional on-camera consultations. Vlogs with the family, cooking. Like, it's really fun behind-the-scenes stuff. More pop culture deep dives if you're ever looking for that, too. Once you become a member, you get access to all the patrons we've ever done, which is like 300 episodes and counting.

59:39Jackie Oshry:Some historic episodes like the Great Chili Cook-Off of 2020. Like, so many iconic episodes. and most recently one of our kind of biggest episodes to date, Headbands.

59:46Claudia Oshry:Oh my God.

59:47Jackie Oshry:We are recording one more next week before I leave. Okay, before I leave. Yeah. Like that was so much fun. So head over to patreon.com slash toast. It's a great way to get more content and support your girls. And thank you so much for listening to the Toast the Millennium Morning Show where we deliver the fast five stories that you need to know every Monday through Friday on YouTube. So if you're watching us on YouTube, please feel free to subscribe and give us a video, thumbs up. We're also available as a podcast anywhere. Podcasts can be found. So that's Spotify, iTunes, Stitcher, Public Radio, iReady, CastBox, all the places wherever you listen to podcasts.

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