Cackling Hags Back At It Again: Tuesday, September 2nd, 2025

0:20I sound amazing. welcome back to the toast and happy tuesday that feels like a monday but it also feels like a friday because we're fucking celebrating yeah that's right we're back i had a baby we survived maternity leave it's jackie i'm it's claude it's jackie good luck you're not gonna hear jackie today because i got a lot to say and not a lot of time to say it hey jacks we all have a lot to say today it's giving january 2nd like first day of the new year i don't know i thought you were gonna say it's giving january 6th and it is because it's a reaction day bitch we are like riot there's just a lot going on much like there was on january 6th and i feel like objectively for all the swirlies out there there's a lot going on today it's the first day back to work after labor day after summer so like it's really the first it feel it's like a january 2nd in its own way it's a reset for a lot of people not to center ourselves obviously there's a lot going on for us as well.

1:19Right. But I'm experiencing like a complete reset just from summer, from coming home, from like unpacking, from coming back to toast. Like I don't, I can't remember the last time a day held so much in it as today. No, it's so true. And do you also feel like a lot is also happening today? Like otherwise, like I just like, maybe it's because I don't normally wake up this early before work. I've been up for hours doing feedings, you know, a million things. I don't usually have a whole ass day before the toast but I've literally lived three lives already today no I know and that's toast motherhood I kind of love it and I might be like regretting saying this but I do feel like once I get settled into a routine we're in the process of putting Ruby on a schedule getting his naps and feedings like more um routine thank you I do feel like I could get to a place where I start recording earlier i felt that way in the spring um today just every no today no but honestly maybe after the baby and everything i that is something that is in our future as a mother we're just like early risers now so yeah i'm a working mom i've had maybe twice before getting here i cried last night but couldn't get out of the house fast enough i just feel like that's so It's such a dichotomy of working mom.

2:37It is. And I was hysterically crying to bed and looking at pictures from when Ruby was born last night. And I turned to him and I'm like, just to be clear, I had a snot in my nose, tears in my eyes. Just to be clear, I don't want to stay at home. I don't want to be a stay-at-home mom. I like working. You don't want to be a Sam? I don't want to be a Sam. Not laughing at stay-at-home mothers, the real heroes. No, of course. I could seriously never fucking do what you bitches do. So it is literally the hardest job in the world. Like people think coal mining is hard. They've never been a stay at home mom.

3:08Laughing at the acronym. Just want to shout that out. Some. Some. And. So I don't want to be. And I'm like, I'm really, I feel like we have the best jobs. Like knock wood for being working moms. Like we can make flex schedules. Like I feel like I've really not been taking a lot of meetings for the next couple of weeks. Like I'm just being so chill. But it's hard. Like, and I'm not saying mine is harder than other people. like people's are harder than mine for sure like i'm just saying i had a tough morning okay no it's been a long morning and even though like this summer so i was like samming you know this summer because we weren't working but like really doing this show just like adds so much joy joy and value to my life purpose like accomplishment achievement yes i i i really like the balance of it a hundred percent um and i just want to shout out to the toast and and whoever is still listening today like we'll see and shout out to us honestly for like building this yeah no crushed it crushed it and it really was i know everybody like wanted to kill me for like being so indulgent taking my three-month maternity leave not the bitches in canada being like we have a year good for you okay you also live in canada so what about that yeah what a boot that what a boot dat eh no i'm kidding sending so much love and light to our canadian toasters we are huge in canada like can't stress that enough and we love you dearly it's a joke up the majority of our global audience they keep us global i would say that they are the only part of our global audience except we definitely have listeners in israel and when toasters travel they take us with them you know so then we have a listener in africa in italy yeah of course of course of course we're huge in Africa um what was I saying before this oh yeah so I was gone for three months obviously not to make everything about myself I'll probably never be gone for three months again like obviously I want to god willing have more children um but when you're a business owner taking three months is like extremely indulgent and I won't do it again but I do feel like I learned I think like next time I'll be able to come back within like five or six weeks like I felt like a little bit back to myself again we have flex jobs so don't worry it won't happen again and a lot of people are like well Jackie's about to have a baby are we taking off another three months no no thankfully I live with a permanent co-host so really it's like not hard for me I don't have to like book people and I will be booking people Claude and friends but I'll be having Ben and Margo everybody in my town and I live in New York it's like a lot easier so we'll be taking no time off for Jackie's maternity leave don't worry we wouldn't do that to you two leaves in one year yeah no and we've yeah there's always someone but just the way that summer came and yeah typically you would have take like say two months but to come back for august like full force it's august isn't about that it's a slow month it was my first you know time being a mother and i'm so glad i did it i had honestly an amazing maternity leave being with you for more than half of it and like getting to do my leave in the hamptons with my family like is so special like it was really but then also having that first month just like hunkering down in the trenches me and ben up every two hours is yeah it was honestly i could not have asked for a better three months i'm so happy to be back though and also like i feel like i kept up with my job pretty sufficiently like we were churning out content between jacks and friends i came back on the podcast like once and then we did patreons i feel like the listeners were fed i was you know feeling fulfilled in both motherhood and work and i'm just so fucking happy to be back bitch but you have to fill up all your cups you know yeah but you don't want them to run it over that's actually not true like you do god willing you do well speaking of cups sure um today's a big day obviously because we're back but i'm also just like very last minute throwing together a plan to get to the u.s open because the craziest thing ever happened to me last night well not to me but like to us it's the spritz athletes okay so ben comes and tells me yesterday he didn't even tell me about these like by the way we sponsored a doubles team and obviously we're like a small company and we obviously are limited with what we can do we can't be like Djokovic sponsors but Ben was like no they're like this American duo these young guys are super green super new but they are really promising and their match is on so we should watch it I was like oh great I had to download ESPN plus because again like it wasn't a premier match they were playing against um the Italian duo who are ranked number six so it was like obviously these guys are gonna lose right um i bought espn plus because i again needed to find the match it was 12 i'll be venmoing ben for that expensing spritz and it was just like on on in the background while we were watching i mean while we were like doing bath time bedtime feedings and stuff and let me tell you this match became so insane that they put it on prime time and not our American boys beating those Italian shits.

7:58Okay. It was the most insane match. It was the most, like the biggest upset of the U.S. in, you know, doubles history. They're saying, they are saying that. I was on the edge of my seat. These guys are so cute. First of all, 22 and 23. Everybody keeps DMing me if they're single. I don't know. Just message them. Like seriously, slide in. I have no idea. Slide in. It was the most excited I've like literally ever been in my life. They're playing again today. Me and Ben are going. so while obviously like i'm you know busy at work i also i gotta get to the u.s open because i am a socialite and that's what socialists do um to see the boys playing again another like big you know they're coming in as the underdogs yeah but the power of spritz compels them the power of spritz but also the power of america because like while they're not super known yet in the tennis community everybody in the at the open was just cheering for them because it's america versus italy like it's america bitch everyone was chanting usa you and these guys they're like college players who have gotten pro and they're so college they were like hyping up the crowd like you i thought they were seriously gonna funnel a beer like usa you mean it was literally oh and then like it was so cool they got interviewed on like tennis tv us open tv after they won and you know like jokovic puts on his rolex and his lululemon hat or whatever um not them putting on their spritz hats it was so exciting like i i was like ben this is the coolest thing you've ever done not us just like you know betting on these rando Americans and look crushed it crushed those Italian bucks yeah I am excited to see what's in store for them today so make sure to catch their match so if you are a promising athlete who wants to be a spritz athlete maybe that could also feel free to watch their match today it's cash and Tracy that's the those are their last names I don't know who they're playing Tracy Tracy from Spidey and this amazing yeah so like big things happening over in the business world and the sports world yeah the world just keeps on turning you know like everything's coming up toast everything's coming up spritz everything's coming down good guys now that we're back yes yes good guys is over party good guys is over party even though like where I used to do my makeup in the house is next to the room where Ben used to record good guys so I I inadvertently have listened to so many episodes of Good Guys this summer.

10:10The future episodes. It's good. You know? Yeah, it's good. It's good. Ben has started his sourdough journey. Oh, my God. Headline news. Jackie was, you know, baking for us all summer. Ben got the bug. That's nice of you to say. I really. Yeah, you actually didn't. I didn't. I'm sorry. I can't stand for longer than five minutes. Well, we need to talk about you being pregnant in just one minute. But, yes, Ben started his sourdough journey. He ordered a bread box on Amazon. It arrived this morning, and it arrived unassembled. he was like wrenching together it was seriously the craziest thing he got the baskets he got the blades he got the spatula the fold and serve whatever um the starter is starting it's in the corner of our kitchen just like bubbling over in a mason jar he facetimed me last night to show me how much his starter had grown and that it was bubbling over and he didn't know what to do so i was like just put it in a bowl so it can bubble into the bowl and not on your counter and he took it away and there was starter on your wall he obviously cleaned it up but i just knew sure their starter on my wall their starter on the counters their starters this is gonna test your marriage also not that it matters because you're in an apartment building and you don't own so it's not your problem but make sure he's not pouring it down the drain because it like clogs the pipes like turns into like bread in the middle of your pipe oh my god it's not definitely did but i feel like you have strong pipes out there in the big city yeah i'm not like a a small town pipes girl right right right she got looking forward types having bread I just do think like Ben's gonna give up on it you know he loves to start things and not finish them no and and sourdough is a particular personality type mine Taylor's and not Ben's so he's gonna have to push himself to stick with it and it's really like you have to give it a little bit of your time every day like you have to be very patient that's not his style no but i look for i think he loves sandwiches enough to make it his style to persevere to persevere through but i do think you know the residual starter on the counter is going to test your marriage a thousand percent although i have let go a little bit a lot of people want to know claudia how are you doing with like the mess and the clutter of a baby now let me just say i'm crushing it my house has never been cleaner but there is more stuff it's not insane yet but i've got play mats and bouncers Do you find yet that the stuff sparks joy?

12:29No. That playmate doesn't spark joy when you see it? No. Knowing how happy little Ru is on it? No. That bassinet doesn't spark joy. Oh my God, I got to get that bassinet in my fucking room. It really is just taking up too much space. But I'm doing great, I just wanted to say. Now, I want to talk about you really briefly, because kind of headline news is that I'm no longer pregnant, which personality-wise, I just feel like so back to myself. I was just not myself, as Kylie said. but you are pregnant and i feel like we as women what i don't know what you're gonna say but i'm laughing it's just so crazy like that we podcast like every day while pregnant nothing makes you more foul and in like a more disgusting fucking mood than waking up every single day like back ache no uh good sleep heartburn and so you're still going through that and i want to just like create a safe space for you like if you want to be in i feel like i hid my bad moods as good as i could i definitely like if i go back i could see like me being in a bad mood i just want to like create a safe space for you you feel like you're in a good mood today and that's great but if you're not like that's okay i just want to say like i i am having like it's been tough like yeah it's a tough one um we could do like a pregnancy update patreon whatever to talk about you know all the aches and pains but what i love about the toast is that it forces me to be in a good mood yes once unless like it's extreme circumstances like i'm not going to come on here and just be like a curmudgeon even though i know that's like what people think i'm doing when i think i'm a right of life okay that's so real like people are like are you in a bad mood and you're like what am i talking what are you talking about i'm literally i've never been happier thrilled to bits i've never ever been happier but the toast like forces me to like be in a good mood laugh with my sister like talk about like fun subjects and i would i haven't been doing those things for months and Like it does actually affect your mental health positively in a positive fashion.

14:19So like I'm actually I'm very grateful for it in this moment, you know, because otherwise I'd just be like sitting thinking about my pains. And instead I'm cackling. We're just a bunch of cackling hags today. That's the kind of energy you can expect. Title. And I also think like moving forward, how I'm going to be different in this stage of my life when it comes to the toast. I've obviously said it's going to affect dear toasters. and I just want to let the DTQ know. I know it's Tuesday, but it's our first day back. We have a lot to do. Dear Toasters will be tomorrow and I promise it will be tomorrow.

14:49Just like gird your loins. It's going to be amazing. But you didn't think it was going to be today, right? Right. I mean, like there's, we're like 15 minutes in and we haven't even scratched the surface yet. We haven't even caught up. Like what have we been doing since we left? But I also think the approach I'm taking to the podcast, like as this, you know, new, I'm definitely a new person is going to be like very much, I don't give a fuck. You know, like you guys, you guys thought I didn't care before. Like I really don't care. oh you have a problem with something I said cry about it like seriously go cry about it I just want to say like so good for entertainment value so good for business so good for business like I when you birth a child like not to be so condescending um when you birth a child like it just kind of puts things in perspective and just at the end of the day like it's not that serious it you know what it never was that serious it's just a podcast so I feel like I have a whole new perspective on just I love that being joyful and I also know that like a lot of our listeners are psalms and they need us more than we need them like i'm here for you girl um it's just like it's just a podcast you know let it rip that's the motto for the end of 2025 is it q4 yet like i feel like it feels like q4 i'm glad you brought that up because i've been noticing a lot of people like you know bringing out their pumpkin spice content and ordering hot coffee and chai and pumpkins and things like that and i feel like it started a week or two ago and everybody's rushing the summer away while it's august like i do not tolerate that type of internet behavior and even into september like yeah i'm wearing all white labor day was yesterday what are you gonna do arrest me like yeah i don't like that and we still have two three more weeks of summer and i don't i really don't like when people do that like they're rushing the summer away we we live for summer what are you talking about summer summer maybe not everyone had a pargy summer like maybe they were ready to get to the next part maybe they were with their sister i did have a pargy summer but i am fat again and so i'm not loving summer like i i'm like i have chub rub again like all the problems i once had are back i sweat like an animal because i'm breastfeeding like i sweat more than the average person um so i get it like there are things about summer i don't like either but we're just like rushing our lives away you guys just chill yeah i sort of just let the process happen to me organically like i feel like soon i will feel like entering fall it sounds like you're gonna let the chips fall where they may like i'm not craving a chili yet right i don't want to go to home goods and get a bunch of fall accents i'm actually inspired dishes i'm actually very much in a purge state because since we've come home i think i don't know if it's because this is my version of nesting right now or because we just came home from a two-month trip where everything that's in this house we did not need right so when I see it garbage I'm cleaning up I'm not cleaning I'm garbaging it sounds like you lived with the sweeper for two months and maybe I rubbed off on you a little bit no it's really like the idea that we didn't need this for two months so do we need it now garbage very it's a very interesting perspective right I actually feel like maybe it is the the manifestation of how i'm nesting in this pregnancy i feel like last summer when i got back i felt inspired to go to home goods that was like what i remember because i remember like the house we were in just had like so many like cute things and i just wanted things i wanted things and now i want nothing chilling purge make it make it a quote card and i also want to go shopping well of course of course but you have to purge first before you shop No, no, no.

18:21I have to. I'm not going to shop because then I'm just going to like I buy things that I in six months I'm going to want to throw away. So yeah, we're doing nothing right now. I love that. And you know what? I'm very hormonal. Like I can't be out there shopping. She can't be trusted. She's a danger. I'm a danger to myself. And to others. Yeah, you especially. Watch out. One thousand percent. Watch out. And there's also so much to talk about in the world of pop culture. So if you're just tuning in and you haven't been keeping up with us on Patreon, we did a whole episode about Taylor and Travis's engagement.

18:53I'm sure it'll come up today. But if you're looking for like an in-depth analysis on the ring, the photo carousel, her outfit, their, you know, future life together. It's on Patreon. It was a live stream. It was so chaotic. It was so crazy. And it was kind of the most fun I had all summer. In addition to other content on Patreon, we've been keeping up with pop culture on Patreon for the last eight weeks. so it feels good that we don't have to like you know talk about yeah love island finale to it love island reunion did you watch love is blind did you finish uk season i didn't i did it wasn't sparking joy for me i watched like the first six episodes it wasn't it just wasn't it for me i enjoyed it and it there was definitely like couples that either didn't get married like it was exciting and then also couple couples did get married and spoiler alert they're no longer together and that was like very interesting yeah and I felt like actually I don't know if anyone was like listening with a keen ear when I recapped love is blind on the patreon but I nailed it wow okay so are you going to tell us or how are we going to do this uh well I just feel like I was right about Cal and Sarover like she's my queen right there and I was like if he wants to be good enough for her great like I will like him too but like I just don't know that he is like I don't know that he's as locked in as she is and what she deserves she deserves the best literally couldn't have that's exactly what happened okay he literally woke up one day was like no okay so crazy so crazy my faves Megan and Kieran still together like spark they're the happiest people on earth and they found each other like I really like them how is that not gonna work out what about Ashton Billy they got married which was kind of surprising because you know he's very stringent and they had these issues and then also like like, Cal and Sarova, like, three months later, he just, like, ended it.

20:41So, Cal and Sarova did say yes, but then got divorced. Yeah. And same with Billy and Ashley. And what's weird is, like, they both ended it, like, the day after New Year's. Mm-hmm. Must have been, like, a contract or something. No, they're, like, best. They, like, talked to each other. I think they were both, like, feeling the same way. Like, there's no spark. And they're, like, two idiots telling each other to, like, end their marriages to the greatest women that they'll ever meet. Yeah. And what about Jet and Varda? She said no at the altar. Okay. She said like not right now. She was like, I vow to do all of those things.

21:14Eventually. Yeah. And so then when they finished the wedding, they stayed dating. And then they broke up. But they only dated for three weeks. And it was like weird. And she was like so freaked out by him. Well, I saw a picture of her at the reunion. And she looks like an entirely different person. Yeah. Like glow up of the century. Yeah. She definitely like hit the O. A thousand percent. Love that for her. Love that for her. and she's so jealous she moved to Dubai after she broke up with Jed like three weeks later okay Caroline Stanbury yeah yeah okay so she's doing well and then Katisha and Javin they broke up did you watch yeah right yeah right um it was just weird to watch she was just like very like I really was rooting for her but yeah she was she was like so forgiving of I didn't get it I didn't get her energy towards him none of hate I haven't been watching a ton of tv because I've been like such a tennis girly justice for Ben Shelton um and so yeah I'm going to the match today I don't know if I brought that up I can't wait to have a honey juice because last summer I went to the US Open and I was like so skinny so I was obviously conscious of the fact that like they're 200 calories each um and so I like sipped one no I'll be having like six tonight I'm also breastfeeding so like the liquor doesn't really hit me god you're a tank I'm a tank so uh uh take i will be if you see me like and you know at the u.s open it's like you have the honey juices the official cocktail of the u.s open and it's like i think they come in these really cute cups with all the winners on them and when you drink them you like stack them like a frat boy like just to count how many you've had so if you see me at the u.s open today with like the tallest stack of honey juices you've ever seen in your life just no you didn't stacks on stacks just stay away like i'm on a journey understood well we're excited to see content what are you gonna wear i don't fucking know because i'm so bad you can wear what you're wearing now i know but it's hot caliente i literally when i found out that we were going the first thing i did was i plugged in my portable fan like i will be needing it and i'll be bringing a backup charger maybe an updo definitely a claw clip in my purse you know yeah the tennis swags they love the claw clip and i gotta bring my pump it's like a whole thing live in the house oh so i'll be gone a while you can't skip one i can't skip what i might be gone for two like it's a long thing are you driving your car see i don't know like logistics i might need to drive my car because of my pump like how embarrassing am i you need the lv don't you have i have i have a portable pump the willow go and can you yeah i'll just like bring my case with me it's like what do you got there oh just my portable pump but it's okay like i've seen like page and the girlies they have like big bags it's not a micro bag thing like you could bring a tote i might need to bring one yeah you've got cute totes yeah tons go shopping okay oh i guess now i guess pop culture the story's actually really good and we're gonna we're gonna rip them to shreds so yeah of course i absolutely need to talk about the atrocity train wreck that is Fifth Harmony.

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29:24Well, Camila Cabello was not there physically. She was there in spirit because their backing vocals are all Camila. She, you know, was the, I would say, the vocal lead of the band. And this just, okay, so Ben has been obsessed with the Jonas Brothers tour. Tour. They've been crushing it. They've been doing like real like millennial con. It's just like a festival for millennials. It's like nostalgia con. Yes. And that's, you know, Ben's obsession with like when they brought out the Click Five. Yeah. Just the girl I'm looking for. Like he was not okay. So every time they have a concert, we wake up in the morning.

30:01He's scrolling his phone. He shows me who was there. So he was like Fifth Harmony. And it didn't really do it for him. But he doesn't know, like before Ben met me, I was the biggest Fifth Harmony fan. Nobody was more on the Fifth Harmony train. Lylas, what do you know about Lylas, their original band name? I watched him on X Factor. I followed them religiously on YouTube before they became a band. So I feel like I know everything about everything there is to know about Faith Harmony. And if you were there for like their band, their time as a band, the five of them, then you know how truly unique it was and bad.

30:33All's that to say, like they had really they just had Camilla and she really shouldn't have ever been placed. That was like a Simon Cowell. They it was just like she never should have been with them. She was so supremely talented. Every time they performed together, all the judges critique was like, you bitches can't keep up with Camilla. Like it was really awkward. and it's amazing to see that nothing has changed and the only thing that really changed since then is that like normani had all this hype and promise she was the next beyonce motivation the album and everyone was like what is happening what is going on like and then nothing happened what is happening oh nothing um so it was really crazy to see her with them because she like camilla she had something going on after fifth harmony but i guess nothing really was going on mission that it's over that the train has stopped now if you watch a performance like it was giving classic fifth harmony messiness like choreography the choreography was their execution the cohesion was not like they were all doing different they were doing the same dance but it was a different dance to each of them you know the outfits were so turnt the vocals were good the vocals were good but that was because they had like Camila Cabello singing.

31:44They were like singing on a track. I wasn't hearing like live vocals, not saying that they didn't sing, but like what I heard was like, there was a lot of production. And I think people were really excited about this on its face. Like Fifth Harmony back together. Jonas Brothers, they crush it again. Nostalgia con. Here we go. When I heard that Fifth Harmony was coming back together, I watched a video and there was like a smoky fog and silhouettes showed up. I'm like, is it four or five silhouettes? Because it makes a difference in what we're about to see. Yeah. No, but like, i'm just saying like on on paper like it's a sleigh fifth harmony even without camilla that's like of course you know of course like fine even without camilla fifth harmony reunited they perform the hits these are some of the greatest songs ever written like yeah it's a sleigh work from home but then when you get down into it it's a nay no lauren haraghi had like the biggest rip in her tights like it was such a mess there this band this band is cursed like they are cursed they are unable to do anything successfully like everything they do is just a mess yeah a train wreck you literally cannot look away yeah and when they were doing that choreography i was like girl what is going on and i think like you know up until sunday like you could have said like fifth harmony they had a great run they had a great run they had amazing songs they did and they had so many hits if you were very close to it like you knew the messiness but from afar like it looked like just like a successful girl band one of the best of the of the 21st century it was kind of like a monet you know from far away it looked fine and then you got up close and you were like oh no this is just a bunch of dots but them coming back together and reminding us in 2025 that it's a mess like how bad they are um i think it's like bad for their stock and they're not good like collaborators, you know, like with the Jonas Brothers.

33:35Like it was just, I will say of all the things of Jonas Brothers, and I said this on the Patreon and it bears repeating because I've clowned on the Jonas Brothers a little bit. I feel like for so long, they were like really hesitant to lean into what they are and what their fan base is, which is, they have amazing new music, but it's a lot of nostalgia. And I think they're so leaning in now and it's really working for them. They're just like being themselves. And the guests that have come out, most of them have been nostalgic. Some of them have been like Kelsey Ballerini was there, like current pop.

34:03Russell Dickerson. This is the first one that just was a flop. But it gave us so much content that it wasn't a flop. No, they wouldn't even consider it a flop because it's great headlines. It's great news. It's just like when you actually watch it. And it doesn't reflect poorly on the Jonas Brothers. They weren't up there shaking that thing. This was up to the girls. When you get down to brass tacks, all I see is the rip in Lauren Haraghi's leggings. um Allie Brooke and I love her she just cannot keep up choreographically um and I I just feel sadness for Normani for what could have been but I also feel justice for Dinah Jane because when Ben and I were talking about this last night I sent him on a rabbit hole I made him watch their first performance together as a band at Simon Cowell's house in front of Mark Anthony where um like Mark Anthony cannot believe how good of a singer Camila Cabello is I made him watch anything could happen cover um and then I also made him watch Lego house cover and like if you know what I'm talking about you know um and he was like wow Camilla's so good but honestly justice for Dinah Jane when we were all like young Dinah Jane was just like like she was just like not relatable and I don't think like her singing abilities ever really got highlighted but she's actually an amazing singer yeah I think for Normani she had a good performance like because she is a talented she's talented but the fact that she was even there didn't matter what she did on the stage the fact that she got on the stage in that context just marks the end I think we're gonna call it normani we're gonna call it on normani it's true we're calling can we call it and say that she's not the next beyonce we can say that i think we can now i think there's also a lot of discourse on whether camilla should have showed up or not because camilla is also like relatively flopping she had a really really strong solo career for a few years havana like the biggest songs grammy grammy grammy and then she dyed her hair blonde um and things just went south and i she's really been like churning out hits but i don't think she's even close to falling as far as to getting back together with her turnt bandmates no and when i think about camilla the way that i see her and i know she just put out an album that i'm sure wanted to perform well and it didn't yeah but i do feel like she walked away from a lot of what she the success she was experiencing like i feel like it wasn't just that she was dropped like from by fans and you know people stopped caring about her i felt like she needed it i felt like a choice that's how i see it and now she wants to come back and it's hard to get back in the game it is um but i don't think she's like someone that's like so thirsty to be the number one girl in this group i don't think it was i agree but the crazy thing is and she doesn't get enough credit camilla cabello is one of the top vocalists of our generation i would say she's on the same level i know you're gonna say i'm crazy as ariana grande she has the most amazing voice and she doesn't get enough credit for that because she's like flopping and she dyed her hair blonde which she never should have done yeah she reminds me a lot of katie perry oh like where a haircut just sort of like ruined everything i don't think of the haircut i think it was like you know those walks with sean mendez the walks with sean mendez i forgot about those like when i think about like where it all changed those walks but i love you when you call me senorita that like she had so many hits havana biggest songs yeah and now where is she i don't know actually i saw she's on tour she did a cover of nothing's fine i'm torn i'm all out of faith let me tell you it was most amazing cover she's like a kelly clarkson she covers a song and absolutely like makes it her own that's really beautiful i'm happy for the jonas brothers because this is like in the tour in this day and age like this is what you want people waking up every morning saying what happened at the concert last night surprise song you would think like bringing out special guests taylor did it in 1989 like old news but the way that they're doing it they got it down they must be thrilled to bits can i say you also inspired me because when we were together in the hamptons you said like one of my goals is like i want to go to more concerts like concerts make me so happy i love concerts and i was like yeah and especially now like i need to really make the most of my nights out you know after bedtime so i'm gonna go to lady gaga she's doing like six nights in the city and I think the last two are this week and I'm gonna go like fuck it I'm going you know you think that you are familiar enough with I am I what's that album called Monster House with Mayhem Mayhem yes I looked up the set list too and she's doing like it's because she did a residency in Vegas it's very much like encapsulates her entire discography and she plays the hits from Mayhem and of course I know them you know disease but she does um a surprise song and in the last New York show she did you and I which means like I'm not gonna get you and I and like I want to kill myself I fucking like that song oh my god if you give me a shot of tequila in a karaoke bar like you're gonna get the show of a lifetime or so you think until you watch the video back the next day sit back down where you belong in the corner of my bow with your high heels on and she was like obviously being so lady gaga so stephanie germanata like wait she's like something something about new york city like she was being so nutty it was amazing she's so crazy she's nuts you forget but we have to remember that yeah when you talk about her yes you have to look at it through the lens like okay if a normal person was doing this i would say a but it's lady gaga and she's certifiably crazy so we have to say b and she's like a crazy artist but she's like a genius so you she's a genius yeah no you just yeah you can't like put normal people like the way you talk to your bestie right about lady gaga it's true special gloves special gloves are you ready for our next story yeah little weddings news because jason kelsey is talking about the engagement and he's hoping to be travis's best man at the wedding so he said travis has a lot of friends so he's a little worried about his spot his best man but he said hopefully i'm the best man we'll see travis a lot of friends i'm just hoping to get the opportunity so he went on a podcast bussin bussin with the boys and talked a lot about taylor and travis's relationship the podcast with new heights the engagement like how happy he is for travi he's so glad is travi made it to the big game um and it was really beautiful really it was really beautiful i love how much they love podcasts like i cannot trust enough what they've done for the medium is really beautiful um and it got me thinking obviously when he said Travis has a lot of friends it's obviously a joke like he's going to be the best man but where does someone like Travis go on a bachelor party like for real I feel like actually Travis will have an easy like where does someone like Taylor go on a bachelor party because I feel like for Travis as long as he's got his boys and he got his beer no because no no I think it's harder for Travis because Taylor's like not going to go on a bachelorette party she's going to like have all of her friends over for the weekend to her Rhode Island house and they're gonna like make sourdough.

40:57Like Taylor's not like a party girl, but like Travis, like he's a football bear and like golf. I feel like they're gonna go to like Baker's Bay, that island in the Bahamas. Yeah, I think so too. Where like famous people go. Or like in Cabo. Oh yeah, I asked you that question because like I just wanted to put my prediction out there for where they're gonna go. And I think Taylor's gonna do something really low key, like a girls night at one of her houses. No, she needs to do more than that, sorry. Like Haim and the Swirlies. And then we'll really be able to know who her friends are. Yeah. Because Kelly Taylor probably will not be there.

41:29Blake Lively probably will not be there. It'll be like Selena even though Taylor didn't go to Selena's matchup party this weekend. Selena, Haim, that girl Ashley, like. Cara. Cara, yeah. Cara's tried and true. Yeah. I think she'll do more than that and I think that she should. This is worth celebrating. Plus she like kind of likes to get down. Well, she does love a cocktail. Yeah. Like why can't she go to Cabo with the girl? because like she can't go anywhere even though like lately she's been so regular degular i actually saw a picture she went out to dinner with britney mahomes at a restaurant in nashville like no private room like just dinner it was britney's birthday oh happy birthday to britney yeah so she turned 30 mazel tov oh my god it's crazy she has three kids like that's so crazy um so i think i think jason will be the best man especially because he has so many friends because when you have so many friends you can't pick one let's do the brother but if i had just one best friend i think jason is good okay jason by the way and don't forget austin taylor's brother that's like when you get married you have to like he'll be on a bachelor party you know yeah i think that like that'll also make him a best man as like a sign of you know family that i know that i see your brother as my brother but i also is it enough the way that we're talking and the world is talking about like taylor and travis i feel like when they first got engaged it was like just an engagement but now it's like road to wedding yeah there's a difference some people get engaged and it's like well we don't ever expect you to have a wedding like it just feels like a a performative yeah we're just like a kind of a dead end like it's like a nice thing but like it's not about getting married it's about getting engaged kind of like demi and that guy max your your boy max yeah your boy max but like this really feels like everyone's talking about the wedding even Jason no it's really and I know people are gonna say I'm so crazy and delusional it is the closest thing in America that we have to like a royal wedding and it's so crazy that it won't be televised like how the royal wedding in the UK is because we deserve it like it should be on CBS well she should like partner with Disney Plus or Hulu or whoever she's working with like give us a docuseries about the wedding she should but Taylor maintains like it's just one of her like core tenants that her private life remains private you know like that's not something she's willing to give up but that was before that's in her philosophy like before travis like this is just everything's different now she could bring in her own like videographers just like you have a video at your wedding yeah and just like bring us in everyone is so excited like unprecedented excitement i think that people deserve it and the world needs it it's literally too much like i don't know what to do with myself yeah no it's just so unprecedented you know sabrina should be at the bachelorette party brainy yeah she'll bring the penis straws can we talk about she'll bring the penis she'll bring the strap on she's so fucking crazy i was listening to her new album which i have to say i love i've been seeing hate for it and like you're not gonna hear it for me like that song go-go juice like i'm just like shaking my titties like it's so good um but i was listening to the song tears and i just had to clutch my pearls and i'm not really like a prude person are you Tommy from Arkansas literally like I was when she was like my thighs are crying tears I was like oh my god and then she says something about like giving head I'm like oh ma 'am I never I was just shook I'm not saying it's good or bad I'm just saying I was personally shook I have been sounding the alarm on raunchy brain for a while like I know that like that she has this in here and she wants to do more of this like I didn't she's always been about like innuendo but you know what there are only so many ways that you can know it's true she's dropped the innuendo she's just being extremely direct and clear like hey sex you know clitoris penis like she's being really crazy i've i've started the album a couple times i've just like been distracted so i haven't finished it and so like i haven't had my faves yet like i haven't finished exploring it so i don't have anything to share yet but um brini's being green and she's being very like direct that if If you find it to be too much or you find it to be like too explicit, like go fuck yourself.

45:44Yeah. That's what she said. As a Love Island people would say like 10 toes down standing on business. She's not. And I really do respect people who like say what they mean and mean what they say. And just because there's backlash. Oh, I'm sorry. Like, no, I like that. Even it's not like how I would choose to write a song. I like people who like stand on business. I guess that's what the kids say. Like she's not backing down or she's just doubling down. like no this is what i wanted to say and i'm saying it yeah even if it like splits my audience in half and i'm going with this half like okay so there we are in this day and age it's so rare that somebody like gets backlash and isn't like i'm sorry like no she's like oh well that sucks sorry like too bad she's gonna be the artist she wants to be i respect that so let's see i haven't i i can't call it yet like where i stand on the i know people are very curious because i'm very much a pearl clutcher and i'm very much a breener stan breener yeah what happens to me do i go by the way of tommy from arkansas am i tommy from arkansas stay tuned jack's from florida stay tuned are you ready for our next story what number is it number three so you got to be ready yeah harry styles and carol aswell break the internet after being photographed together at a wedding so there was a big wedding this weekend it's funny because like the grooms were not famous so everybody has very slowly been piecing together um who the grooms are what when where why how and it's like i saw a post of derek blasberg and i was like oh this is the wedding aaron foster was at like i was connecting all the dots just from people i follow and i finally realized like the the big picture derek blasberg's carousel added a lot of color understood so charles porch and robert denning got married this weekend and they charles porch is like a big important person at instagram and the other groom is a very important person at the Met Museum, Met Gala.

47:34So they have a lot of friends in high places who showed up for their wedding. It was a star-studded affair. Including Harry Styles, which is mage, and Carol Radswell, which is mage. He happened to help her walk up the stairs and there's this photo going viral of Harry and Carol. Was it Derek Blasberg's carousel where this photo originated and the story behind it in the caption? it i believe it was no cassandra gray wrote it she said i saw carol radzwell struggling to get her rather large gm batista valley paris dress up the grand stairwell naturally and quickly i managed to get my iphone out of my dinner clutch to document what could have been fashion parisian castle road skill road kill oh my god then a stranger to carol and i a handsome harry style seemingly out of nowhere graciously lent her his arm like cinderella's prince is this girl a writer like she i think she is this because you know um jenna lyons was there also with her wife whose name is cass okay is that who this is let's google because i imagine that like the bravo swirlies would be together you think but there's from i guess yeah maybe for the same franchise she is the founder of violet gray a luxury beauty retailer no that's not her okay um it's just crazy and let me tell you something about cassandra gray she is a good fucking friend because like no one would believe carol radzell like harry styles helped me up the stairs with my dress like sure grandma let's get you back to bed but the fact that this woman snapped a photo like she's such a good friend like if that was me if i was carol i would be kissing and then it like becomes a worldwide story because you posted it not only did you take it but you posted it so i don't look thirsty like yeah this woman cassandra is a queen yeah she's a real one big time yeah no that's hysterical really funny worlds colliding and by the carol looked great carol also made a return to watch what happens live while we were on maternity leave and shook the bravo community by storm because like there was definitely bad blood between her and andy when andy took uh bethany's side of the reunion and then she like yelled at andy and i got fired the next week um which is awkward because they were friends before housewives and it was just like awkward um but it seems like there was a a rapprochement and that's great that's great Lovely.

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56:01I'm ready. Sorry, I was just like checking on, you know, nap and everything. I understand that you don't get the ad break like I do. Oh, slay. Napping. napping plane 14 minutes ago love that on his king new couple news allegedly scooter braun and sydney sweeney are rumored to be dating after being spotted together in italy star magazine is reporting this everyone is picking it up and no one has come out to deny it i know it's just tough because a celebrity being with another celebrity in europe over the summer means nothing like they all go they're all on boats they're all at clubs and then like they just like connect with one another because they're famous like it doesn't mean much if i saw them together in the states i would feel a lot differently however videos are resurfacing from the venice sanchez bezos wedding weekend when where they both were in attendance they were both in attendance there was like a day of shopping out in the streets of venice and a bunch of like stars went walking together including like Sydney, Carly, Scooter or Orlando.