Cardboard Coji: Friday, January 23rd, 2026

7:03Jackie Oshry:Neither of us got Mahjong and we were like 50 % of the table. And so like the fact that neither one of us ended up winning was like a poor reflection on our family, I think. I guess so.

7:13Claudia Oshry:But like this was my third time playing.

7:16Jackie Oshry:Yeah.

7:16Claudia Oshry:I'm still learning how to be good, you know, and I'm just, I'm happy to be here. I'm happy to be a part of it.

7:22Jackie Oshry:Yeah, I guess it's more a poor reflection on me. I just sat there the whole time talking about like how I've been playing since high school. Meanwhile, I didn't get majong one time. Maybe you should like. Shut up. I just learned. Stop telling you. I just learned yesterday. Yeah, I'm pretty good for someone who just learned. Wow, she's really good. She just learned. Can you believe that? Oh, also a major update in my life. Like we're officially a playpen household. You know, I meant to send you a picture this morning because it arrived. Of course, I had to get like a collapsible one because I'm not about to like, like sacrifice your living room.

7:50Jackie Oshry:It's just not going to work. But like in the recent week or two, we've started to move a lot, you know, moving and grooving. Grooving is grooving and moving. Grooving with rooving. And so we would like put up pillows all over the room. So we didn't like roll into a table or anything. And I was like, I think it's time for these walls. So I got on Amazon like this collapsible thing that I can like take with me when we go back to New York. And it's parche. Are you going to build it up and break it down every day? Of course. That's why I didn't get like the one. There's like$300 ones that like you set up and you leave.

8:21Jackie Oshry:It's like a playroom. Yeah, this one's like a big ass pack and play that you just like, you know, you pull it up and then it goes in some closet. because yeah like i may not be home but i still like i still care about like clutter things of

8:34Claudia Oshry:that nature what i always just think of that clip of that show what's that show i always the guy extreme cheap skates no but the guy excuse me who lives in like an apartment and he won't buy anything what do you mean i buy so much and he sits on the cardboard box on the floor that he repurposes as his table.

9:01Jackie Oshry:It's like this one piece of cardboard. And what about this cardboard man reminds you of me?

9:10Claudia Oshry:It's just you. Like you're like a swirlier version of that. But like, oh my God, I've sent you the clip before you were very offended.

9:19Jackie Oshry:I don't even remember. So I'm getting re-offended all over again. I have to find it. No, I don't think that you do. And what about me getting a collapsible pack and play play pen item for my son makes me an extreme cheapskate who lives with one cardboard box?

9:34Claudia Oshry:Well, the thing it was, even with this guy, just like you, it's not like just about money. You did mention$300. So it was a little bit about money. It's just about like the having of things and like things in the room. So he just like pushes his cardboard around. One room to the next.

9:54Jackie Oshry:I'm deeply, deeply offended. Yes, I'm deeply, deeply offended. And I don't relate to this cheapskate. I don't know his name. I don't know him at all. I resent the accusations. I'm an extremely generous person. Here, look.

10:07Claudia Oshry:Oh, what is she going to show us?

10:09Jackie Oshry:Is that a new bag? It's a new bag, a new wallet. Oh, yeah. And yeah, where I keep all my money because I'm not. A cheapskate. Is that what? Oh, here. $100. Would a cheap person do that? even though I just gave you$100 for calling me a nasty name. Take it back. And give me that money back, bitch. What am I doing? Rewarding this wench. No, here. Jess. See, just to prove I'm not cheap. I understand. But I'm not giving it to the girl who just called me cardboard box homeless man.

10:39Claudia Oshry:No, he has a home. He has a home. He has an apartment. He just likes his box. He doesn't want to buy furniture. I just can't fucking stand.

10:50Jackie Oshry:you okay it was at the having of things yeah so i care about clutter like obviously you choose to live in a pigsty that's fine different strokes of course i would never make fun of you or compare you to anyone so derogatorily um just different strokes you know you guys know and so yes i got a playpen that was my major life update just kind of huge things happening at my house well i'm

11:08Claudia Oshry:excited for you i'm excited for raven to be gray oven yeah he is gray oven and may oven me and ben

11:14Jackie Oshry:like figured out ruby's bar mitzvah theme like a year not a year ago because he's not even a year but like three months ago we've not been able to like stop planning it like i cannot wait for the affair obviously it's going to be disco themed and like the merch and everything it's going to say grooving with reuven because ruby's like hebrew name is reuven his full name is reuben so grooving with reuben or if you're like from the old country grooving with reuven i'll be grooving with reuven and i'm looking forward to seeing you shaking that thing with on the dance floor it's gonna be very studio 54 yes exactly i can't wait to see you inappropriate dance i can't wait that is gonna be

11:50Claudia Oshry:a time that was bar mitzvah season bar mitzvah as a parent uh-huh yeah because we thought like

11:56Jackie Oshry:we were crazy when we were 12 like in the photo booth no no and i didn't even feel like we were

12:01Claudia Oshry:crazy like we were having fun but it it did feel like illicit it was like a party a bar mitzvah is like kind of an interesting time it is the cusp of manhood and womanhood but like as a 12 and 13 year old, you can't really like appreciate the party for what it is. Like no sweet 16s are much more like age appropriate in terms of being able to appreciate the affair.

12:20Jackie Oshry:No, like people like might've like been like smuggling in like wine coolers to a sweet 16. That really wasn't happening at a bar mitzvah. No,

12:27Claudia Oshry:no, no, no, not at all. That would be really, and I'm sure some people like to drink at bar mitzvahs. That's insane.

12:32Jackie Oshry:When they're 12, you mean? Yeah. No, that's real. That's too young to start drinking. Or 13. How did we get here? Oh, my playpen. So yeah, he's just growing up so fast. And he's gray oven. Gray oven, yeah.

12:45Claudia Oshry:Rubel. What's it with you? Not too much. Long night. Long night, yeah. We had a couple good runs, but it was back to the three-hour window. So that was rough, but we're here. We did it. We did. I can sleep in tomorrow, so I'm excited about that. And what else? We're recording Redheads today, so got to get with my gals. Huge day. And today's the first day of the new format where I'm not. Oh, hands off. Where I'm not doing the whole episode. So I'm just sort of showing up to this podcast that's being produced for me. I can't wait.

13:21Jackie Oshry:Okay.

13:21Claudia Oshry:Hopefully it's still good. I think it will be. Yeah. Yeah. But, you know, we're just changing it a little bit.

13:28Jackie Oshry:Listen, change is good. I agree. I don't. You don't? No, I'm really like an anti-change person. You are. Have you become more or less anti-change? Well, my life has changed, like, by design. Yeah. And it's been wonderful. So has that made you, like, more? But I also feel like my life hasn't changed. Do you know what I mean? Like, I'm so me. You're still same old Koji. Same old cardboard Koji. Title.

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18:49Claudia Oshry:Thank you, CodeTurt. You're welcome. Our first story, in no particular order, in no order of importance, Harry Styles drops his first new single in nearly three years with Aperture, not to be confused with Aperture.

19:01Jackie Oshry:Also not to be confused because again, the song was in a circle and I was thinking rapture. I could not find the beginning of the word.

19:09Claudia Oshry:Turrepair. Correct. Literally Tupperware. It's Aperture. So it's his first song from his new disco album. I heard it was like very techno, very dance-like. So I was so excited to listen on my commute because I am a techno girl now. I didn't enjoy it. I didn't finish it. What did you think?

19:25Jackie Oshry:So it was five minutes long, which I just think is like a crazy length for a song. It had a long intro. It did. Lots of synth. I just think it's a big length for a song. And if you are going to cross like the four minute mark, these days songs are literally two minutes and 30 seconds. I hate that. I feel like the sweet spot is like 3.30. If you're going to go above 430, it has to be like a Hall of Fame type of song. Bohemian Rhapsody. Exactly. This is not that. And I do feel like it's a new sound. And I don't like to make a judgment on like a new sound. I've only listened to it once. Ask me on Monday.

19:59Jackie Oshry:That's fair. You can't judge a new sound because it takes a minute to get used to. But also, it's like. You can't break the mold and expect people to get it. It's literally Nicki Minaj. You're not going to get the song the first time you hear it.

20:08Claudia Oshry:And we need people making new sounds. Like that's what a great artist would do. So I will give him runway. I agree with you on that.

20:15Jackie Oshry:I'm not making any sort of decree as to like it being terrible or being bad. It's different, which is, you know, we should embrace different. But it didn't immediately like make me feel like that's my jam. Turn it up. Especially because like he said it was like a disco album. Like disco does have like a specific sound. Like disco already exists. So it didn't, it was like new disco. I don't know.

20:34Claudia Oshry:I just want to say the thing about disco though, like those songs immediately hit. Hit. So again, I'll leave space for a new sound. Some of the lyrics, it seems he's talking about his lady love, perhaps. He said, it's best you know what you don't. Aperture, let's let the light in. Aperture lets the light in. Which refers to a camera's aperture, which controls how much of an image is visible to the photographer and affects the brightness and depth of the field of the image.

21:03Jackie Oshry:right so i didn't even listen to the lyrics because i was just like listening to the sound but i didn't know that like i wouldn't get it because i don't even know what the word aperture means so it means an opening hole or gap okay hole do you think it's like sexual no it's something about like or a space through which light passes in an optical or photographic instrument especially the variable opening by which light enters a camera it's not sexual it's drugs you know like

21:30Claudia Oshry:Drugs? I thought it was like media. Trippy. It's like trippy stuff. Oh, it was giving media. It's giving like. Sharon, you know. So it's not giving media. It's giving like light reflection, hallucination. Oh, so you think him and Zobo are doing drugs? No, it's just like.

21:50Jackie Oshry:Yeah.

21:51Claudia Oshry:You know?

21:52Jackie Oshry:Sort of.

21:53Claudia Oshry:Like. Foggy. Can't see. You know. Yeah.

21:59Jackie Oshry:Yeah. And then he also announced a couple of residencies, like mini residencies. We knew he was going to be doing. That's so toast coated. Oh, my God. Like that. I'm telling you, he's craving stability. That was all right. Yeah, exactly. That's actually a really good sign for him and Zoe. Like the fact that he's like touring in this unique and different way so we can spend more time in one place, like with his lady love. And post up. Now, he announced it with a bunch of it was like a carousel poster for London and then a picture of two people kissing poster poster of whatever Amsterdam and a picture of two people kissing.

22:26Jackie Oshry:and it was like this like you know very raw like unedited like sexy rave did you not see them

22:32Claudia Oshry:so i saw some people kissing i didn't realize i didn't watch the whole carousel yeah and it was

22:37Jackie Oshry:just like new pictures every time and it was like i don't know what that like aesthetic is called where it's like no airbrush like sweaty like rave make out like and it was just like not graphic because it's like everyone's clothed and kissing it was just like a lot of tongue uh okay let's see

22:54Claudia Oshry:Harry Styles. Oh. Yeah. Graphic. Keep going. Oh. Oh.

23:02Jackie Oshry:I feel safe when I'm on the tour. I just don't understand. Yeah, right. Tongue. Okay, safe. I don't really understand the aesthetics so far of this album. It doesn't feel cohesive. Sexual drugs.

23:16Claudia Oshry:It's sexual drugs. Those pictures are sexual drugs, yeah. I think it's sex, drugs, and... Harry Styles. Yeah. And I would say rock and roll, but techno disco. Yeah. Disco tech. Yeah.

23:28Jackie Oshry:So like, I hate to be negative because like, that's my king right there. And he's always welcome, of course, in my home. But like, it's not giving like what I was like looking for. But at least it's different. You know, I do respect when people like try new things.

23:39Claudia Oshry:The sound is different. No, like everything, you know. The kissing, the up close kissing, like, okay. Yeah. So cool. Wow. I'd love to see your tongue and your sweat. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. I feel really inspired.

23:53Jackie Oshry:But happy for everyone who's going to get shows. They don't have to come to New York. You know what? Do not come. We don't need all these people coming.

24:01Claudia Oshry:We always knew he would do stuff out of New York, but it's also cool that he's posting up in whatever location. It's very toast-coded. We've always said if we ever did a tour, that's how we would do it.

24:10Jackie Oshry:He's also doing a little bit of press. Very unique choices. John Mayer has a SiriusXM show. I think it's on Radio Andy. And so Harry interviewed him. Excuse me. He interviewed Harry talking about music and stuff. And then he went on some, I think it was like BBC radio. And I was really appreciative that this person sort of followed up full circle, asking Harry why he was at the Pope's. Remember when they announced the new Pope and everybody like ran to the Vatican? Harry was spotted there. He was like, I was in Rome and I was getting a haircut. And I'm getting my haircut and people start screaming.

24:43Jackie Oshry:And they've elected a new Pope, but in Italian. Thank you. And he was saying, la papa, whatever. Everyone's screaming. it and the hairstylist is screaming it they finish up his haircut really quickly because a guy wants to go it's like a historic thing and harry was like well i was there and you know it was like a

24:59Claudia Oshry:big deal so i went oh cool yeah i wonder what other shows he'll do so far the ones that you said seem congruous with someone who's like focused on the music and then i do feel like if you want to get in the podcast gaming you're focused on the music like you talk to jake shane

25:11Jackie Oshry:i know but he's also um harry was remote from ever like he harry's like i'm telling you he's really happy in his relationship he's doing john mayer he was sitting on some green couch and he was sitting on the same couch with like wired headphones and like very low budget production for the other radio show um he's not he's not wanting to move he's not like thirsting out doing

25:30Claudia Oshry:a press tour but i just want to say like and i like i like choosing stability but like you could

25:35Jackie Oshry:go like he could go of course no like he's acting like like he's a you're supposed to be a provider

25:40Claudia Oshry:like get up and go to work yeah like he's acting like a mama who a new mama

25:48Jackie Oshry:at first I thought you said Malala I'm like okay leave Malala out of this um yeah so he's acting like a new mother and so I could say like maybe him and Zoe like are

25:57Claudia Oshry:expecting or something but like you could still go in person yeah no and it's also like at some

26:01Jackie Oshry:point like leave your house you are a man you are here to provide he's acting like us he's acting like us like even the the residency thing yeah and we do those things like to be comfortable and like work-life balance being near our kids. Like as like new mamas, pregnant ladies, postpartum. Breastfeeding women. Yeah. We're allowed to do that. Like you kind of had, like men used to go to war, you know? You could go see John Mayer in person. I wonder if he'll do like any press outside, like off his couch. I hope so. Yeah. And like Shane, maybe he doesn't want to travel. So if Jake Shane goes abroad, everyone, like we know why, but maybe he wants to like stay.

26:37Jackie Oshry:He's in the UK, but like there's lots.

26:39Claudia Oshry:But I also Graham Norton, Graham Norton. Yeah. I also feel like if he were going to do Jake Shane, like it would kind of be already recorded. Maybe maybe it's coming out or like this week. You know what I mean? Yeah. We'll see. We shall see. Are you ready for our next story? Yeah. We done trashing Harry Styles for the day? I think so. I feel good. I feel all set. It feels right. Next, Ryan Reynolds is torched by fans over his cringe email he allegedly sent to It Ends With Us author Colleen Hoover. There's so much. Every day we stop recording and there's more. I don't even know which one to pick on a given day, but this just feels like covers a lot of areas.

27:19Claudia Oshry:So Ryan Reynolds' correspondences are also being shared. He wrote in email.

27:23Jackie Oshry:And I want to say shout out to Dumois. Because there's so much stuff. I'm sorry, I'm not reading court documents. It's just like not what I want to do with my life. I didn't go to law school. Like this is not my plate. But Dumois is finding the relevant media and she's then making graphics on her Instagram and like transcribing them. And they just feel like the text is bigger. And it's like, I don't know why. It feels more palatable to me. So if you're wanting to - I need it to be editorialized a little bit. Yes. And I think Dumas is actually doing a very good job.

27:49Claudia Oshry:I agree. So let's get into the email that Ryan Reynolds wrote to Colleen Hoover. I'm sending you literally every form of congratulations. I see the sky while jumping up and down and rapidly happy clapping. At one point, I was three feet from you at the after party, but I wasn't able to extricate myself from the Sony Studios chairman's mouth. I'm still in here, and I'm a little shocked I have service. Holy fuckity fuck, you guys really pulled it off. Like Colleen, this thing is on fire everywhere, and audiences have wrapped both arms around the film. You and Bea made something gorgeous out of ingredients you didn't ask for, which is what makes you both in this whole post-production team so clutch.

28:29Claudia Oshry:I heard you guys got a tummy bug, and you're stuck in New York. I can't think of anything worse. although it might be your body ridding itself of any residual baldoni i'd rather be puking in a gulag than hijacking performative feminism while practicing personal growth catchphrases in the mirror i hope you're taking a moment to enjoy this i know the road wasn't always easy and clear what a complete fucking win this is i know we all breathe rare air i realize how lucky we are but i also know how genuinely good you and b are i could literally write you 84 more paragraphs eulogizing what this all means to me but mainly i'm just incredibly proud and inspired by you and b

29:03Jackie Oshry:so like just in their writing styles um blake lively and ryan reynolds are quite literally made for one another like there are not two people like more um weird like in their verbose verbose um cringy i kind of like drew barrymore interviews people and like touches faces like i feel like they're touching faces

29:27Jackie Oshry:blankly help me with the word written writtenly like what's the word transcribbly yeah what's the word like orally audibly but like for writing literally oh yeah probably um now it's very you know what blake and ryan have been accused of from the very beginning is like taking over this movie and i feel like all the media that's been released text messages emails screenshots whatever like has sort of proved that right like blake thinks that like this no good first time director was not capable of a movie this size and she took it over her edit made the theater so they did successfully sort of take it over and I guess that's bad because like it's mean but it's like not a crime

30:16Claudia Oshry:I think the issue was about the second movie like they took over this movie and then I think they were going to try and take the second one from him because also his character doesn't really exist in this it's he's like a very subplot so i think he felt like he had put everything he had it like buying the rights and producing the movie and they like were gonna cut him out of it yeah and now like it's just funny because there will be no second right there never could be a

30:41Jackie Oshry:second movie no and i if i'm like if i'm trying to be like like see things from justin paladoni's perspective like that sucks like this was his idea he so bought the rights from colleen like he saw it before anyone else did um and he like probably was excited to cast blake liby like this huge star and her and her big time husband like ended up like steamrolling the whole thing and

30:59Claudia Oshry:it just it could have gone on to be like a huge franchise a la twilight yeah it's this beloved book the movie was there is a sequel you could keep it going and like they were taking that from

31:09Jackie Oshry:him this would have been his big pay right now how that has any legal or criminal bearings like i don't know why we're talking about this in court it just seems like sort of like schoolyard like okay yes and i feel like it has been proven they stole the movie they were probably difficult to work with the whole thing um that got us here is sexual harassment like so i don't really understand and this is i'm not reading the court documents so maybe if i read every single page i would understand i'm not really understanding what them taking over the movie has to do with the allegations of sexual harassment and like onset inappropriate behavior has because one of

31:43Claudia Oshry:those is that is a crime like he is being accused of a crime i think that he said they took over his movie and then i think their rebuttal is like well you know in addition to incompetence there

31:54Jackie Oshry:was on set inappropriate behavior so i know what it is actually what it is is that wait like i think

32:01Claudia Oshry:they're they pushed him they're saying they pushed him out of the movie because he was in addition to incompetence which we see like inappropriate behavior with blake with other people sexual harassment so yeah we kind of pushed you out of your movie and so as far as i know based

32:15Jackie Oshry:on everything i've seen so far like it hasn't been disproven that he didn't sexually harass well Well, it hasn't been proven. Well, they deposed his Blake Lively's driver who said like she went he witnessed like a really uncomfortable conversation in Blake's car about like him having non-consensual sex. And he said that he would after that didn't feel comfortable leaving Blake alone with this guy, Jenny Slate. The podcast host said lots of read like there. It has not been disproven and allegations have been made by like a couple people now. Right. But I think you have to prove something like it's not about.

32:49Jackie Oshry:No, I think it's the opposite. You have to prove that it didn't happen. right he's like counter suing he's counter suing i think no but i just think in general you have

32:59Claudia Oshry:to prove that like it's you the burden on of proof is on like the person making an allegation

33:05Jackie Oshry:yeah but is she making an allegation like in court or just like in the public or just in the new york times like an employment suit there's a lot right so all i know is like I don't know I'm no one wants to hear what I have to say but like I'm not like where is the where is the actual proof that Blake Lively wasn't sexually harassed and that she made it up like where's that well that you can't like prove a negative right but there is supporting evidence that he did there's like the witness the driver's the witness like that stuff isn't getting blown up like of course the Taylor Swift thing is getting blown up but there was a deposition with her driver who said he witnessed like a definitely an inappropriate conversation there There was a voice memo when he was like, I'm sure your baby's laying on your breasts right now.

33:48Jackie Oshry:Like weird things you would Boston never say to you. The young girl who said the inappropriate comment about her losing her virginity, Jenny Slate. Like, so what, so how does everybody know Blake Lively is making this up? Like what piece of information am I missing? They don't like her, she's annoying and her and her husband stole the movie. Facts, right? That's facts now. What does that have to do with sexual harassment? And like, because she stole a movie, she's lying? Like, I'm genuinely asking. Like, it's generally been decided that Blake Lively made all this up. I don't think that's true.

34:19Jackie Oshry:Like, that's what the internet believes.

34:21Claudia Oshry:Okay, I can't go by the internet. I'm just going, like, and also, like, the most strange people have takes on it. I don't, like, really read stuff by crazy people. So I'm just, like, going based on what I'm seeing. So I think, like, all of these things happened. Yes.

34:35Jackie Oshry:Stealing a movie isn't a crime. Creatively. and I also would love to know like why the Sony people went with Blake's movie which was allegedly

34:45Claudia Oshry:worse also then there's other documents that like show Sony execs like kind of talking shit about

34:49Jackie Oshry:Blake right and also I don't know like that yeah she's like a big bigger star I don't know if they would like throw a whole movie away to appease this one person like if her if her version was so bad well her version's what you saw so and I thought it was good so it wasn't so bad and it

35:03Claudia Oshry:was a successful movie it was over 100 million it was a real movie right but it tested worse and I

35:08Jackie Oshry:know those focus groups like are people you don't live and die by the focus group i think like you're supposed to like take it into account but it's not like yeah it's not the end all be all um but yeah like all this all these documents like her and ryan and if ryan wasn't even hired like girl get out of here like they stole the movie they hated justin it seems like they hated justin because blake felt like he was of course incompetent but also inappropriate yeah but i will say like in

35:34Claudia Oshry:these things that we're seeing like it's more so about hating him as a person yes it's not like i feel so like they say it was the nightmare to work with him because he's this fake feminist and he's so obnoxious and whatever narcissists there's not a lot of references to the harassment yes um not that there has to be all the time but you're right it does seem to be more about like the personality clashes yes and her disliking him just for that other not because of and like the hubris and ego of him. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I think all everything that everyone said happened. So can we just let it all go?

36:10Claudia Oshry:You're all wrong.

36:11Jackie Oshry:Yeah, except that like, if everything that everybody said happened happened, they're not the same. Like her and Ryan stealing a movie because they think they're big stars and they're probably insufferable like egotists is not the same as like your boss sexually harassing you. So I feel like people are treating both things as equal. and they're not. Yeah, like inappropriate comments is what we've seen. Yeah, he's being accused of sexual harassment. Walking in on her with the boobs out, breastfeeding, like, you know, all those things. Didn't she tell? Yeah, but if you tell someone to walk, like, you can come see me breastfeeding one time, that's not a free pass.

36:44Jackie Oshry:We know that. Yes, I know that. And I've only recently realized that because it did happen to me where I was like, someone like saw me breastfeeding once and then like every time I was breastfeeding they kept coming in. I'm like, well, no.

36:53Claudia Oshry:We know. So, you know, So everything is like.

36:56Jackie Oshry:No, but so Blake's allowed to feel some type of way about that.

36:58Claudia Oshry:Yeah. But he's allowed to be like, wait, I thought it was okay. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

37:03Jackie Oshry:If that was like the one thing, like, sure. But like, it seems like there's a lot of uncomfortable situations from this one person. But then again, it's also like a movie about uncomfortable things. And like having a man direct all these women is already like a little. It's like, girl, get out of here. You're also the star. Like, so it can be uncomfortable no matter what. Yeah. I don't know. I'm just like, I'm not ready to hop, hop off yet. I'm not ready to like jump down Blake Lively's throat. Like she's annoying. She's cringy. Her and her husband like definitely think that their shit doesn't stink.

37:31Jackie Oshry:They could do whatever they want. And they almost got away with it. Yeah. All of those things. Yes. There's also other stuff that I think is like bigger.

37:41Claudia Oshry:Yeah. Yeah. It's just in these filings, at least right now, like what we're seeing, they keep alluding to like the nightmare on the thing. Yeah. Working with him as a nightmare. I can't even, this is all post-production. We're not getting a lot of production stuff. Yeah. Maybe that will come in his defense. Like he'll put forth those things as we get closer to trial to defend himself. Like there wasn't, I didn't do anything wrong. But they keep talking about what happened on set without telling us. In a vague way. Yeah, just in like a, in past tense. Yeah.

38:14Jackie Oshry:And maybe I'll feel differently. I just feel, I kind of feel like a little crazy. Like everybody's like hates my takes. and I'm just like I don't know I feel like and I read a lot and I watch like a lot of TikToks mostly from people who don't like who are team Baldoni yeah and I don't know I just don't find it compelling I and I'm not just like blind no I'm not just like digging I'm not even care about these people but I'm not even a huge Lively fan I'm not a Justin Baldoni fan like I'm not digging my boots in just because like I this whole time said that I hate Justin Baldoni and like I don't want to be wrong.

38:51If I really felt like my opinion changed,

38:56Jackie Oshry:I would say it. And it would be like a whole thing. Maybe I'll get there. But I don't know. The more I read, I'm like, okay. Nothing Blake Lively has been accused of is criminal. If being annoying was a crime, she would be in prison. And if being insufferable was a crime, she would be in prison. But those are not crimes. Sexual harassment is. Well, you keep saying she stole a movie. Stealing is a crime. No, it's not. Like creatively stealing steamrolling over someone is not a crime. And I feel like there's so much that's come out. And of course, like the big headlines are the Taylor Swift and the cringe text messages.

39:28Jackie Oshry:But there are also things like the deposition of her chauffeur that like nobody's talking about because it does sort of support her claim. When was that? When was what? The deposition. It's in all these filings. I don't know when he was deposed. Yeah.

39:43Claudia Oshry:Also, I saw stuff yesterday more about the birthing scene, which has always bothered me.

39:48Jackie Oshry:Yeah. like an uncomfortable set actually i whenever i think about like that i think it's crazy that he said his wife gave birth naked like how you give birth without a bra is insane no and in a hospital

39:59Claudia Oshry:i've never heard of like but people who do home births and like give birth yeah give birth naked um but i've never heard of in a hospital so that's just like a fun fact yeah it's kind of crazy yeah so that's like I don't like that it's icky and yucky but like not a crime

40:17Jackie Oshry:no and the movie really does deal with like such sensitive topics that there was never going to be a world in which like nobody felt uncomfortable at all so I do think some of the things you can chalk up to like it being just a really sensitive movie covering a lot of sensitive topics but I don't know yeah I just feel like the big storyline about like Blake being annoying

40:41and cringe and like like a celebrity what else do you expect from these like egotistical people

40:46Jackie Oshry:who have their whole lives been told how amazing they are like she's definitely difficult to work with why that is a bigger headline than like all of the weird things justin baldoni is well i don't think headlines can keep up like there are so many headlines that's what's like like that's what i

40:59Claudia Oshry:see like the takeaway that's what everyone's clipping is the well at least right now it's all her correspondences so yes like that's what everyone's really focusing on plus with taylor like that's always going to be the big of course of course no everyone wants to hear what taylor said more than the driver of course but like the driver is more pertinent to the case than taylor but i also imagine that um well also like taylor was really involved and by the way did you see

41:24Jackie Oshry:where and when the correspondence where blake wrote you've like thank you so much you were amazing you saved another movie from the graveyard this will be the second movie you pulled out of a

41:31Claudia Oshry:grave what's the first no and like what and so when a year ago or whatever when he said like taylor and blake like conspired to take my movie from me he sounded crazy he did and she said i'll release my dragons they could be your dragons right on my team like he's talking about this like they kind of did yes definitely and that's crazy and that's just like for me that's tea exactly like this is like legal tea though no but it's like that's tea i don't know why you all are in court yeah and i've said this for a while now they need to meet the two of them they are destroying each other and themselves and they need to just say and walk away from this that's

42:13Jackie Oshry:so funny i don't feel like justin baldoni is being destroyed i think there was a moment in time when she first released in that whole new york times thing where he was on the brink of destruction like he was basically there and he fought back tooth and nail and i think it's pretty overwhelmingly bad for blake and now justin i feel like he's been vindicated okay that's just how i feel based on

42:43Claudia Oshry:public perception and what ends up happening in court like might not even change that what you just said but it proves why he had to fight tooth and nail and do all of this because like he when that New York Times thing came out it was over goodbye Justin Baldoni no it's insane

42:59Jackie Oshry:how quickly and how drastically it went from one extreme to the other yeah and don't forget like

43:05Claudia Oshry:the summer of hating Blake Lively yes and then wow it's been it's been such a long time because this was last last summer yeah it was the other and then in December she did her big thing and

43:19Jackie Oshry:almost you know almost one and he did not give up and now we're over a year later not even in court yet yeah it's been a long time it's been a long time coming so yeah it's a lot yeah and i understand it's emotional like and if someone could just explain to me like how they know blake lively's lying like about the sexual harassment like what it's not that they know that she's lying it would just don't believe she has yet to prove it got it that's all i think okay and so we're just not we just don't believe i thought we were believing women like i thought that was the party line well it depends on the woman who you are and i think it also depends on the woman like okay the woman's

44:00Claudia Oshry:annoying and the woman is like for other for other you know small pea-brained people right but i'm saying in general like here like yes we we shall endeavor to believe women but you have to prove

44:11Jackie Oshry:something as well right and so because she stole a movie maybe that makes her a less believable victim is that i'm genuinely just trying to understand i can't get into the mind of a p brain no not even a p brain somebody smart who like is justin baldoni believes you don't believe blake lively was sexually harassed because she stole a movie and she's like a bitch is that why

44:32Claudia Oshry:like bitches can't be harassed i'm i can't answer this question i'm just curious on behalf of people that I don't agree with.

44:39Jackie Oshry:Yeah.

44:40Claudia Oshry:And I don't listen to their takes on TikTok, so I actually don't agree.

44:42Jackie Oshry:No, I do. And like the whole thing is like, well, look, look at what's happened this week. What that has to do with sexual harassment, I'm not sure.

44:50Claudia Oshry:Not a lot has happened to do with sexual harassment this week, though.

44:54Jackie Oshry:No, but it has been proven that her and her husband stole the movie. Like he was getting involved. It's not his movie. They were using their big A-list Money Connects powers. Even him saying, look, I was in the mouth of a Sony exec. Everybody in Hollywood up until recently like ate their ass. so they used all their powers to steal a movie from someone they didn't think was capable of doing it. Yes. That has been proven. Yeah. I personally would like to focus on like the crimes more so than the movie stealing.

45:22Claudia Oshry:Our next story, some memoir news, Hayden Panettiere getting the memoir treatment. She's revealed the cover of her new memoir, not called memoirs of a Hayden. It is called. This is me. A reckoning. Okay.

45:37Jackie Oshry:I will never say anything bad about Hayden Panettiere. Like she deserves all of our love and support. It is a bad memoir name as somebody who just like for a living criticizes memoirs names.

45:47Claudia Oshry:That is the best part of our job. I would say my criticism with this memoir name is that it could be anyone's memoir name. Yeah, right. This is me. Right. A reckoning. It could be Keala settles. It should be Keala settles. 1000%. But who's the last person that we said was writing their memoirs? like I could have been this is me so I would have loved something else now getting past because

46:13Jackie Oshry:we're not supposed to judge a book by its cover nor its title I don't think there's somebody more poised to write a bang-in memoir yeah I mean let alone her like prolific child acting career um and she almost made it out of like that trope of child actors she was doing quite well until she had a baby and I think that really sent her into like a very rare but but not spoken about like enough case of like true postpartum psychosis like postpartum depression she had to give up custody of her daughter like and then she had you know terrible things happen in her family separately from that so it's really sad what's happened to Hayden Panettiere and I feel like the way everybody feels about like Amanda Bynes um like where we just like want to route like Hayden Panettiere doesn't get enough love because she's really not in the public eye like she's taken a step back, but like she deserves all the love.

47:01Jackie Oshry:Everybody buy her book, even if you don't know how to read.

47:03Claudia Oshry:I will be reading it. It's due this spring. I'm going to read it. I really hope she talks about Raising Helen. I hope she talks about Nashville.

47:11Jackie Oshry:Okay, so like where we're staying has like this TV that has like Samsung TV Plus. I told you that's where I found the Martha Stewart show. And it has the most...

47:19Claudia Oshry:Would my frame have the Martha Stewart show?

47:22Jackie Oshry:Samsung? Yeah, but like this TV, whenever you turn it on, just takes... You know how like in New York you put on your TV, it takes you to New York One?

47:27Claudia Oshry:this takes you to Samsung plus TV or whatever. It takes me to the weirdest channel. But yes, I understand. And so they're always playing the most random stuff.

47:35Jackie Oshry:Last night they were playing Nashville. And it was, I forgot. Remember that girl Scarlett? Oh, she was so annoying. Oh, she was.

47:41Claudia Oshry:But she was, what do you mean remember?

47:42Jackie Oshry:She was the whole show. When I turned it on, she was like singing around on some stage. And I was like, now I remember why I stopped watching the show.

47:47Claudia Oshry:Like she literally ruined it. Speaking of Nashville. Scarlett and Gunner. And she like wouldn't take him back even though they were meant to be together. Gunner was there too. Gunner, he's cute. He was sweet. He always comes through our red carpet. There are so many things that Hayden Panettiere needs to touch on. Well, yeah. So she was in Remember the Titans. She was on some soap operas like One Life to Live. She was on Heroes. Raising Helen. Scream movie. Wait, one more. Bring It On. Bring It On with Solange Knowles. Bring It On All or Nothing. Where she learned to crump. So good. So, so good.

48:23Claudia Oshry:So, yeah. That's out this spring. get your tbrs ready who's publishing it like just grand central publishing and imprint we all know that word from yes yes i watched younger of hatchet book group okay let's go let's go i'm like i don't

48:38Jackie Oshry:think often about hayden panetti so if you would have asked me like who which celebrity would write the best memoir she wouldn't even come to mind but she's really she's up there with the greats yeah i think this will be a great book i think so too our next and you know and memoirs don't

48:51Claudia Oshry:have to be held back by their titles like even if you think of our favorite celebrity memoir jessica simpson open book open book that could also be anyone it's generic it wasn't like chicken of the books you know tuna of the book tuna of the the literary aisle of the sea did you see like her theme song no because we talked about them doing a partnership right and so she's

49:11Jackie Oshry:like and we literally said bring back jingles she made a jingle for them oh i have to go see

49:15Claudia Oshry:yeah it was cute okay are you ready for our next story if it's our next story that's brought to you

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52:21Claudia Oshry:Our next story. Scarlett Johansson, Cate Blanchett and Joseph Gordon-Levitt are among 700 industry backers of a new anti-AI campaign. OK. More than 700 artists, writers, and creators, including the three people I just named, have united behind a new anti-AI campaign calling out the tech companies exploiting copyrighted work without permission. While lawmakers on both sides of the Atlantic are weighing new regulations around AI training data, the campaign argues that stealing our work is not innovation. It's not progress. It's theft, plain and simple. How are they stealing their work? They use, you know, their...

53:02Claudia Oshry:Name and likeness and stuff. And also like sounds and imagery.

53:05Jackie Oshry:Well, Scarlett Johansson had that crazy saga where like an AI company that has like a Siri type of voice. The sky. Was using her voice, which is illegal. Yeah, for sure. That's a big one. They were found guilty. Like I feel like this is confusing because our, like the law is pretty clear like on copyright and stuff. So if any AI company is using any of these celebrities name and likeness without their consent, like that is illegal and they are entitled to compensation. I think so are they taking a stance against AI in general or just AI like skirting the law

53:32Claudia Oshry:AI skirting the law in terms of using copyrighted material like I imagine like using you know a scene from a film and putting someone else's face on it like stuff like that like yes I remember

53:40Jackie Oshry:chat just recently they had like a you know they have like a different they own a thing called Soma

53:45Claudia Oshry:or whatever oh the video one yeah Sora Sora right and they were using like a lot of movies and like Jake Paul's face and and yes that so that would be like I think that's among the things that they're talking about and i think that they are fighting for like more licensing basically to get paid for like ai sorts of things as opposed to not using it at all um got it so they don't really

54:08Jackie Oshry:inherently have an issue with ai it's more i don't think you can like fight ai happening right so this is just kind of like a niche issue for them it's hard for me to personally care um about like scarlet humans and not getting more money and but like even though like i believe that she's right um and like sorry that happened to you and like they weren't mad when robots were taking other jobs right of like coal miners so like again that doesn't mean that their cause is wrong robots could coal mine coal mine mine the coals okay right um like sorry agreed good luck with that yeah yeah ctyl you know everyone's got their own battle to fight and i just want to say one thing open

54:52Claudia Oshry:letters effective question mark i don't think so and i think i i'm personally open letter fatigued and when i so performative when i see an open letter even if i agree with what they're saying i don't agree like i it's not that i disagree with writing an open letter you know say what you want do what you want read by the press i just it's really hard for me to care like they're so performative and it's like there's an open letter and then like a bunch of celebrities

55:16Jackie Oshry:sound like an opposing open letter it's like battle of the open letters and it's like you

55:19Claudia Oshry:know what I prefer the Morgan letters I do prefer the Morgan letters yeah so good luck with that and it's really just about numbers because they say these three people and then 700 others and I

55:30Jackie Oshry:want to talk about these three people obviously you lead with Scarlett Johansson it's like wow who was the second Cate Blanchett you know then we get to Joseph Gordon-Levitt and I love Joseph Gordon-Levitt if 500 days of summer has no fans I've passed away but like that's the third most famous person on your list. Like seriously, good luck.

55:48Claudia Oshry:No. And also some of these open letters, I mean, this is like whatever Hollywood stuff, but some of these open letters will be like 600 scientists said, and it's like someone who's in eighth grade science class. And it's the eighth grader. They use a lot of big like generalization. Yeah. So, you know, you really have to really look at the list of signatories. Yeah. And I'm just like, and I don't want to look at this.

56:11Jackie Oshry:No, I'm just over open letter culture. I agree and I agree you know let me ask you this so a closed letter is like the mail like I think a closed letter was like yes you don't the public doesn't know that like you sent this letter to the AI companies yeah why don't people try closed letters like I'm just like try something

56:33Claudia Oshry:new yeah I think people like a you know an open letter is a great way to get your name it's so true because when they do a great way to like generate press for yourself when you send out

56:42Jackie Oshry:an open letter it almost always comes with like a press release yeah and then like you look cause

56:48Claudia Oshry:driven your name is in the press and you didn't really have to like do that much and it looks like you care about something slay the house down boots scarlet yeah our fifth and final story kyle cook is addressing potential financial implications in amanda patula breakup this was

57:05Jackie Oshry:the weirdest not a breakup it's a divorce right and this was also the weirdest you think okay he's being you know speaking for the first time on his divorce 10 years in the making and it's literally like somebody following him around with a phone he's on the side of the road yeah and it's not it's not like an airport tmz or anything it's just like his intern filming oh it's adam glenn yeah okay i actually know him yeah who is he he is like a paparazzi who started his own social media um and now he's like he has really good relationships with celebrities reality starts too because he is like a successful paparazzo.

57:39Jackie Oshry:I think he's like a paparazzo for hire. So they all really like him. And now he does like a lot of man on the street content. I actually see his stuff everywhere. So good for him.

57:46Claudia Oshry:He got the scoop. He got the scoop. So Kyle Cook is addressing online speculation that Amanda could potentially get saddled with some of his debt from Loverboy. He said, I've seen it.

57:55Jackie Oshry:He took out personal loans, right? Instead of raising more money.

57:58Claudia Oshry:He said, I've seen a bunch of videos pop up talking about divorce and the financial implications. I don't think a lot of people really understand the intricacies of my business to begin with. Is there debt? Yeah, I took a small business loan, he said. I actually have no idea, he admitted, adding that he and his estranged wife don't really plan to get to that point. So I guess hopefully they could just like split amicable.

58:17Jackie Oshry:I imagine they never really like merged finances or anything like a very modern marriage before you have kids.

58:22Claudia Oshry:Except that she was like very involved in lover boy, doing the branding, building it to like helping out where it is. I don't know if she would just like walk away from all of that, but maybe for her piece she would.

58:33Jackie Oshry:Yeah, and I think like I think I said this the other day. There was a time where I do feel like it actually would have been really hard for her to walk away. I think the company at one point was actually worth a lot of money. And now the space is like very saturated. And I don't think they have like a huge market share anymore. And I think they did take on a lot of debt. And so now I think it's maybe easier for her to walk away. Be like, yeah, maybe this company will sell for a lot of money. It might not. And like for my piece, I can go. Or maybe he'll give her like a percentage of it. Didn't he say on the show that he had taken out a personal loan?

59:00Jackie Oshry:A small business loan would not affect your partner. It affects the business. You take out the loan on the business. where you get into trouble is where you start to take out personal loans and you can't you know if you default on those loans then like your house gets taken that's what happens you know like in like a lot of big scandals so i remember him saying on the show that he had taken out a personal loan i don't know that i can't and if he did that would be incumbent on amanda um i also believe amantha amanda amanda is um personally wealthy her family um so i just imagine like she's not terribly worried.

59:29Claudia Oshry:Yeah, I think I hope I think they'll be able to just like both walk away. Like he said, we hope to not get to that point. I think it should be as like mess free as a divorce could be, even though they do have this like entity between them. Yeah, we'll see.

59:45Jackie Oshry:Um, well, weiner and weiner, weiner and weiner, Sabrina the weiner. Never. Today's Queenie and weiner, our fifth. No, our, our final, excuse me, segment of the week. Every Friday, Jackie and I like to do a little segment we call Queenie and Weenie of the Week, where we deliver two awards, a rose and a thorn, if you will, to a Queenie of the Week, somebody who acted like a Queenie of the Week, and Weenie, somebody who was being major Weenie energy this week. A lot of choices. And if it's okay with you, I'd like to go first with my Weenie because I - Oh, we know we start with Queenie. That's what I said.

1:00:15Jackie Oshry:Sorry. Did I say - You said Weenie. Excuse me. I'd like to start with my Queenie because I've had my Queenie written in my notes app since Monday, since I saw this video that literally brought me to tears. Bridget from The Bar, influencer to the stars and also founder of The Bar. she has been publicly battling cancer for the last like two years she's been documenting the whole thing on social just like acting like a queen she finished her treatment and she did the whole walk with the bell and whenever i see like a bell video i'm like i'm sat and i'm crying this one just like seriously broke me she was wearing the cutest outfit like she refused to lose her sparkle during chemo she rang the bell her fucking husband the way i would take a bullet

1:00:49Claudia Oshry:for that man you have chills i saw the video of it you describing it fucking husband like

1:00:52Jackie Oshry:obviously i was watching bridget but i was watching her husband like he was so overcome with emotion he wanted to hug her but like he did not want to take like it it is first of all the video is a work of art Bridget is a queen Bridget is excuse me Bridget is a queenie and she happens

1:01:07Claudia Oshry:to be the queenie of my week I love that that's a beautiful queenie shout out to Bridget my queenie is Chris Appleton yeah for coming on the show being such a trooper with our breath like with our breath like energy um cutting my hair on his way out the door down to clown he was very generous with his product his time his skill and his scissors yeah and he was down to clown which is really like if you're coming on this show you have to be you have to like join us down here yeah like so it might always go like but you know sometimes but it's just an adventure over here at the toast and he had such great energy and everyone really loved yesterday's episode you got an amazing haircut i did i got fresh pieces like he's the queenie of my week yeah and like

1:01:49Jackie Oshry:Like you do expect somebody who like, you know, is so he was literally like the most famous hairstylist. Like he was you would never know. He was so normal and so cool. Like how he was on the show is exactly how he was. Literally, we were like running out of the studio because he had like a book tour to do making TikToks. He was so down. Like he gave us everything. He left everything on the mic. Agreed. Weenie. So many good options this week. Now, what really took over my week was Tell Me Lies. and I know it's like I feel like weenie is not even a big enough term for Steven but like the way he made me feel like was so profound that filming scene like it was really it's like I don't even want to give him weenie because how he behaved was so more than a weenie.

1:02:31Jackie Oshry:It was diabolical psychopath of the week. Criminal of the week like seriously jail for you week but he was my weenie of the week like seriously I fucking hate Steven it's actually crazy when a show makes you feel that's how you know it's a good show like good and bad like makes you feel it's such a good show and his performance is really I hope it's a good performance and he's not even remotely like that because he's so believable he is fucking awful I cannot stand

1:02:58Claudia Oshry:that man weenie also shout out to Colton my weenies plural are Brooklyn and Nicola of course I cannot

1:03:05Jackie Oshry:believe that they did what they did can we talk about a person whose name I swear I would never say on the show, but it has to be said.

1:03:14Claudia Oshry:Oh, I just saw that this morning. Okay. So I saw like Nicola's ex's sister is talking about how Nicola always wanted to be famous. I was like, which of her exes has a sister?

1:03:24Jackie Oshry:So Alana Hadid, like the extremely irrelevant, awful anti-Semitic sister of the Hadid family chimed in. And you know what? I actually appreciated it because I had read in a TikTok comment, like, so it really that, you know, Nicola dated Anwar Hadid for four years. And I read that at the time he was really estranged from his family, especially his mom. And I was like, well, that's convenient if not true and interesting if true. And then Alana chiming in, basically echoing that sentiment and being like, you know, team Victoria, while I hate her with every fiber of my being, her perspective is appreciated.

1:04:00Claudia Oshry:Oh. Oh, I thought you were saying that she was a weenie. Well, she is a weenie. But honorable mention. I just wanted to talk about what she said. Oh, yeah. It seems to just be a pattern. Yeah, which is not good. And so, yeah, I can't believe the two of them wrote that. Especially, like, as we discussed this week, like, no one was talking about it at the moment. Like, we weren't looking for an explanation. The two of you could have ridden off into the sunset. And you don't have to, like, I'm just never going to side with the person that, like, publicly trashes their family. When, like, the family, it seems fine.

1:04:28Claudia Oshry:Maybe they're like a little controlling and she danced. And she's posh spice. So like, what do you expect? Right.

1:04:34Jackie Oshry:She shook her hips at the wedding. May I suggest, like, I do feel like the weeniness really weighs heavy on Brooklyn's shoulders. Like, honestly, Nicholas Slay, your man loves you so much. Like him, like throwing your mother to Nicola. Victoria is just like a mother-in-law to Brooklyn.

1:04:51Claudia Oshry:Like, that's your mom, dude. Like, I agree. The onus is more on him. But, you know, they're a unit. They're a unit. and it's like Megan and Harry. Yeah. I know you love to put, you're very consistent in that. Yes. You put all the onus on Harry. I think, you know, the womanly wiles can't be understated. So true. But the men falling for it cannot be understated.

1:05:13Jackie Oshry:That's our show. Thanks for an amazing week. You guys, we're back on Monday with just more swirly energy, hopefully more breath energy. Monday Traders Recap. Monday Traders Recap. And that's all we've got for you. Thank you so much for listening to the Toast on the Millennium Morning Show where we deliver the fast five stories that you need to do every Monday, Friday on YouTube so if you're watching us on YouTube please feel free to subscribe and give this video a thumbs up we're also available as podcast anywhere podcast can be found so that's Spotify iTunes, Stitcher, Public Radio, iHeartRadio, CastBox, all the places where you listen to podcasts and that's a totally five star review about how beautiful, about how stunning and about how wickedly talented we are.

1:05:40Jackie Oshry:Hope you guys have a wonderful weekend.

1:05:43Claudia Oshry:Love ya, bye.

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