Cooper, Earle and The Rural Juror: Tuesday, April 14th, 2026

10:02Jackie Oshry:I got into bed and Ben was like, you're really tense. I'm like, I lost.

10:04Claudia Oshry:Yeah. It's like, you don't want to be too good because then nobody wants to play with you.

10:08Jackie Oshry:Okay. Except though, like where Rachel lacks in like the always winning thing, she was moving the game along. like oh my god my friends are so slow like it kills me they were chatting and on their phones and getting snacks and Rachel was like literally handing everyone their tiles she actually said her etiquette I've never heard this before her etiquette is when it's your wall you're required to push a piece to everyone like nobody has to get their own well I love that I'm always reaching

10:29Claudia Oshry:over I now I won't wear long sleeves I'm playing Maj after this I was trying to dress for Maj and the toast and I like my brain was like breaking I'm like okay let me just put on an outfit for the toast and then I'll change for Maj because I can't wear long sleeves I knock over all

10:41Jackie Oshry:the tiles yeah it was kind of a good system unless like it's your wall like who wants to push out to

10:46Claudia Oshry:everyone oh I don't mind I'm really locked in when we play like the difference between playing here is like everybody plays at night in Florida everyone plays during the day and I really I definitely prefer day people play at night here too I just I can't partake in those sorts of

11:00Jackie Oshry:activities everyone was at my house till 11 p.m. and honestly I wanted to play three out of four of us wanted to keep playing but Margot was like not my sister my friend Margot she was like and she lives the closest to me she was like i have to go home i mean it sounds like a late wild night

11:13Claudia Oshry:we're so crazy we are so crazy today's episode is just jam motherfucking packed like licks versus

11:20Jackie Oshry:lex has continued to develop i imagine it'll be a developing story dave portnoy has weighed in alex earl has responded very briefly um people are like speaking out giving their theories you know dissecting both videos comments history and it's just an exciting time i'm sorry i hate to be like shot in Freud where like two girls are fighting but personally this is one of the best things to ever happen to me because like I said I have I feel so vindicated like I have been following this story since the very beginning I knew something was wrong the second she signed with Unwell it was one of the worst business decisions there's nothing wrong with Unwell it was just one of the worst business decisions on Alex Earle's part but a slay on Alex Hooper's part honestly yeah yeah a major get for a new network our clip are you know we spoke about it very briefly yesterday and I feel like I've had a lot of time to digest and also it's been very interesting to see people's reactions because while I really wholeheartedly agreed with your assessment that whether you like Alex Earl or Alex Cooper better, you really can't deny that the video and the position that that video put Alex Earl in was quite brilliant.

12:15Jackie Oshry:Nobody agrees with that. Our video on TikTok went so viral, they hate us. Kill yourself, kill yourself, kill yourself. I feel like they hate, they misunderstood

12:22Claudia Oshry:because I felt like they thought we were taking a side in that clip because you said at one point I'm on Alex Cooper's side just because I'm so glad she's bringing this to the fore. So that I could talk about it. But like they misunderstood what you meant because actually I feel kind of agnostic about this. And that's what's like a little bit frustrating for me and also maybe for people listening. It's like I don't really feel like I'm going to throw my weight behind one side yet. Me neither. I'm waiting and seeing on this one.

12:49Jackie Oshry:Well, the internet has completely thrown their weight behind Alex Earl. Like they didn't think Alex Cooper's video was this. And when I say the internet, I mean TikTok. Like this is really my whole For You page. Like everyone is talking about this. so that's really where I think like I'm reading people I don't know if they're talking about it on reels or tiktok or twitter or whatever um but tiktok they just love alex earl she's their girl you know she's never abandoned them and she really um is very beloved and we were talking about last week how it does feel like the q score the general like audience approval of alex cooper has started to turn recently I think she's like people you know as they do like ability is a prison you're only popular until you're not people have just started to dislike her and then take a look back at Sophia, like, and all the things.

13:31Jackie Oshry:And so I think that's just working against her, although I don't think that necessarily reflects any wrongdoing in this conversation. In this situation. Yeah.

13:39Claudia Oshry:Yeah, no, that all makes sense. Like, you can, like, prefer Alex Earl more, but objectively, that was a shrewd move yesterday.

13:45Jackie Oshry:I agree.

13:46Claudia Oshry:But let's get into it in the stories. You want to jump in? Anything else we want to talk about?

13:52Jackie Oshry:Oh, broke my finger this morning about a new nightstand. I was just, like, feeling crazy. And I was, like, you know, moving shit around. And, like, actually broke my finger. and of course I had to text Ben that it was his fault.

14:01Claudia Oshry:Was it?

14:02Jackie Oshry:Well, why weren't you home to help me with the nightstands that were delivered this morning, you know?

14:05Claudia Oshry:Yeah.

14:05Jackie Oshry:And why was it? Because where was he? Correct. Wow. And literally my finger is going to be dead ass broken. It still hurts. Ugh, I'm sorry. It's just like, and I know I said yesterday, like here I was praising Ben, like let your husband do stuff. And it's like, I'm moving motherfucking furniture.

14:22Claudia Oshry:Right, you could have waited. Alternatively, you could have waited. But I understand the excitement, new furniture.

14:27Jackie Oshry:I can't wait. You want to see it in the space? If there's something in my house that like will advance the house. Yeah. I'm setting it up come hell or high water. People who like leave furniture like in boxes. Girl, like that could never be me.

14:42Claudia Oshry:Yeah. No, it's very exciting to look at something new.

14:45Jackie Oshry:A hundred percent.

14:46Claudia Oshry:Yeah. That's like me in my kitchen.

14:48Jackie Oshry:Yeah.

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19:29Jackie Oshry:Sorry, I don't know why I acted like it wasn't over. It's over. Thanks, period. You know, I know that like all this talk about period just makes you feel so proud.

19:38Claudia Oshry:Proud? Is that what you said? Yes, very proud. Our first story, continuing our conversation from yesterday about Licks versus Lex, two updates and change. But first, Alex Earl responded briefly to Alex Cooper's video. She reposted it and commented on the video demanding that she now spill the tea after weeks of passive aggression. I would say months, actually. She replied saying, OK, on it with two exclamation points.

20:09Jackie Oshry:Do you think that the girl who made the original video, the Bravo mom, like, is she okay? I wouldn't be. Like, I literally wouldn't be. She may not be okay after Dave Portnoy's video. Right, so then Dave Portnoy also chimed in, who is somebody I definitely, like, needed to hear from. Yeah. He did come at it definitely from, like, a defensive stance on behalf of Alex Cooper, and I respect that. You think so?

20:27Claudia Oshry:I felt like he was very middle. I feel like he has good relationships with both of them. I feel like they are both big names in the industry, and they're both not going anywhere. So I don't think anyone would want to be on the wrong side of either of them. I did not feel like he was taking a side in that video whatsoever. Oh, I did. You thought he was taking Alex Cooper's side?

20:47Jackie Oshry:Yeah, not in like such a heavy handed way, but I think he's just defensive of her, which I get. And yeah, I thought he was taking it from her side. And he said something and then retracted because before he retracted, I was like, oh, this was a piece of tea I didn't know. he said a large part of their falling out had to do with Alex Earle's Carl's Jr. campaign, which if you don't know, like a year or two ago, she became like one of the new girls in the Carl's Jr. commercials, which are like, in terms of pop culture, historically very iconic. It's like a sexy girl in a bathing suit eating a big burger like on a car, Paris Hilton, Lindsay Lohan.

21:19Jackie Oshry:And the new age was the Alex Earle. I thought it was great. And he had referenced, but then retracted that that commercial played a large part in their downfall, either because Alex Cooper wanted the gig for herself or because Alex Cooper felt she was entitled to a piece of it financially.

21:38Claudia Oshry:So here's what's confusing. Unwell is like a podcast network and a content network, but it's also a talent agency.

21:44Jackie Oshry:Yes. As far as I know, they signed one girl one time 10 years ago. And like, I don't know if they ever signed anyone else.

21:49Claudia Oshry:And as far as talent.

21:51Jackie Oshry:Talent. And that girl Hallie, who by the way was spotted making out at Coachella with Chase. I saw that. Secret lives.

21:57Claudia Oshry:But how do you know that she was signed as talent and not just podcast? Like, why is she versus, like—

22:02Jackie Oshry:It was a big announcement, I remember. What about Paris?

22:06Claudia Oshry:Just podcast.

22:07Jackie Oshry:No, they made a big announcement when they were, like, becoming also a talent agency. And they announced that their first client was Hallie. And, you know, she has a bunch of podcasts. Grace O'Malley. Grace O'Malley is not a client of them as an agency. I think she has her own agent. As a talent network. So, like, any brand deals or commercials. That's what's confusing about Unwell. And I think they do well because they do so many things. But they are like a Dear Media where they're a network that hosts shows and sells ads for them. They're also like a UTA WME talent agency where they have clients?

22:39Jackie Oshry:Question mark? They also produce movies. So they're like a production company. I don't know the names of any. Oh, Sire. The ones that make all the Bravo shows like Sirens or whatever. They also host events.

22:56Claudia Oshry:like so i'm not 100 so in this capacity it's unclear if like alex or was part of unwell as a talent agency i don't think that she was no she never was they they have the same agent that

23:07Jackie Oshry:also isn't they have the same publicist for many years not anymore they have the same agent okay

23:12Claudia Oshry:uta who was doing all their deals if alex was doing carl's jr like that should not have been

23:16Jackie Oshry:commissioned by unwell unless maybe unwell like a part of the thing was unwell could produce it produce it the commercial you know something this is that when dave said that that was the first time

23:26Claudia Oshry:i i heard of carl jr playing a part in the demise of the relationship but it might have been the first thing like maybe unwell wanted a piece of it but that just doesn't sound right unwell should

23:38Jackie Oshry:get no piece of that agreed and maybe that's why alex are always pissed so so name them just say name them and then from there i just want to say i know that he then released another video saying he spoke to Alex Cooper and Alex Cooper said she would never do that commercial. So that's not what it's about. I feel like there's a sliver of truth to something about the Carl's Jr. thing. Not that Alex Cooper wanted to be the one eating the burger. I don't think she doesn't give me that vibe at all. I don't think I've ever seen her in a bathing suit. She's actually quite modest, like always in her sweatpants, but maybe more backend.

24:07Claudia Oshry:Yeah. Yeah. And that might've been the kickoff for things going South and then, you know, bringing up things that happened before and things that happened after. So that was like an interesting tidbit. and then he also said the same thing which is that Alex Earl should have never taken that deal and that's what we said and that's why it was never going to end well because you go to a network like that or even Barstool it's a similar thing because like you benefit from the distribution and everybody else and the marketing less because you rely on them so much right a million things But to have such a big fish, it doesn't really work.

24:49Jackie Oshry:What I find so interesting about all of this is that I think Alex Earl would agree that going to Unwell was a bad call for her. And I think maybe even doing a podcast in general was a bad call for her. And she can, you know, take responsibility for that. But I also think like the people who encourage that decision, like I said, they shared a publicist and they shared an agent at the time. And Alex Earl still works with both of those people. But like I was so curious.

25:11Claudia Oshry:Does Alex Cooper still work with both of those people?

25:13Jackie Oshry:So the shared publicist is actually not a publicist anymore. She like left the biz to do like brand consulting and she does that. And that's Kate Bailey, that day porn I was talking about. She does that for Alex Earl, I believe. I think the Alex Cooper part is so curious to me because they were friends first. They were coworkers, partners, and then friends first, Kate Bailey and Alex Cooper. And then I remember when Alex Cooper got married, Kate Bailey wasn't there. And I know like you don't invite your publicist, but they were so close.

25:45Claudia Oshry:Yeah.

25:46Jackie Oshry:So that was the first time I was like, oh, they're not friends anymore. And then I heard a while later that they weren't even working together anymore. So I was like, oh, that's suspicious. But you're saying she's also not a publicist anymore. No, she's not. She does like brand consulting work. So she still works with some of her clients like Alex Earl. Okay. But not Alex Cooper.

26:02Claudia Oshry:Yeah, I guess she could have done brand consulting work over there.

26:05Jackie Oshry:Absolutely. So I think that's it. But so they share an agent. they shared a publicist and like wouldn't don't you think alex earl would be mad at those people at the people who encouraged her to do it yes no but you know everyone's responsible for their own

26:20Claudia Oshry:selves you know like yeah no no but it's business and so like if you made me like led me to make a bad business decision like that's not the sort of business i want to be in like and i think that's

26:30Jackie Oshry:why her dad is so involved in her business because he thinks that maybe she was mismanaged in the

26:35Claudia Oshry:beginning yes so it is curious if Alex Earl wound up staying with these people who walked her into a bad business decision and Alex Cooper didn't even though it was a good decision for Alex Cooper she had nothing of course everything to gain which makes it not make sense which makes me feel like

26:49Jackie Oshry:this isn't the story exactly no I don't think it has to do with the public I like a lot of people are looking a lot into Kate Bailey as something because she's not I think her and Alex Cooper and maybe had like a personal falling out. And then she had a career change and ended up doing something else and doing it with Alex Earl. I don't think that that's what this is about. I really don't. I don't know what it's about.

27:13Claudia Oshry:No, I don't think they're like fighting over the girl, but it's just curious to me if like those people helped Alex Earl make this poor decision that like she continues to make decisions with them. A hundred percent. So something doesn't add up. And that's what, I mean, Alex Earl has a lot of explaining to do.

27:26Jackie Oshry:Yeah. So what format, what do you think we're getting? Like she could do her get real with me YouTube podcast.

27:33Claudia Oshry:Do you think it's a get real with me YouTube podcast with Sophia Franklin?

27:37Jackie Oshry:So a lot of people say she could go on Sophia with an F. Although that I don't think would be, it would be like tea. But I don't think it would be the best way for her to get her story across. I think she should seriously just sit down, do her makeup and do a TikTok. Like the way she, because Alex's was TikTok. Yeah. Show her receipts or whatever. Like I'm so sad. Yeah. And just for anyone listening on today's show, like if Alex Earle drops a video or something, like seriously, sound the alarms. Don't let us go the whole show. Okay? Can everyone hear me?

28:09Claudia Oshry:Yeah. Okay. She should do a get real with me with her dad where he explains why the business was not businessing.

28:20Jackie Oshry:Interesting. Now, people did, of course, do some digging. The video Alex Hooper posted is old. What does that mean? So because on Sunday night she posted. No. Did I say Alex Earl? I meant Alex Cooper. You said Alex Cooper. Okay. So Alex Cooper on Sunday night was at Coachella posted a mirror picture with her friends. Yeah. She had red nails. Ruby red. Like dark nails. The video. She has like a grown out. So it's like an old light, light, light nude manicure. And she has a pimple on her chin. And she has that same pimple. This is somebody put it together on TikTok. talk I think her name was Katie shout out the pimple was also featured in Alex Warren's podcast

29:03Claudia Oshry:episode covered up but we saw it you guys you can't breathe first of all that makes no sense because Alex Earl hadn't reposted Bravo Mom when she recorded Alex Warren oh that's really true so I think it's literally it's from like Friday before she got her nails done from for Coachella and she has a pimple in roughly the same area like I'm sorry girl can't even have a pimple That makes no sense. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Right. Cause she said reposts in her video. Right. Didn't she? Yeah, she did. No, you're right. You're right. You're right. It's really not that difficult, but wow. Yeah. Wow. The nail polish it's giving like the, uh, the Hills when like Lauren Conrad, like filmed a breakup conversation with Brody, like after a night out, but her nail polish was different.

29:49Claudia Oshry:And like people realized it was like not at the same time.

29:52Jackie Oshry:When I was pregnant with Ruby, like people literally knew my due date because like when I found out I I had decided to do this like insanely red, bright. And then like they matched it up with the toast and like they literally knew when I was pregnant. So I get the same nails like not for this reason, but like they got them out to one color.

30:08Claudia Oshry:Like sometimes I'll record an ad that needs to get like approved. So and it's like something with my like I'm holding something so you can see my nails are grown out. And then like I have to post it the next day. But I got a manicure later that day. I feel like such a fraud.

30:20Jackie Oshry:Such a fraud. Such a fraud. So I do want to say, I think the best way, especially because TikTok is so on her side, they didn't think Alex's video was a slay. They thought it was cringe the way she was talking to camera. Like they didn't think she was serving. And so they're just, the comments, I've heard Alex Hooper is like deleting a lot of comments. I saw people saying that.

30:37Claudia Oshry:People always say that. People say that about us all the time. I never delete comments. No, like maybe your comment sucks and so it went to the bottom. No, but like I never, I just don't, I don't know where your comment went. I didn't delete it.

30:48Jackie Oshry:No, and I love when people comment like, oh, we're deleting comments, I see. And it's like, that's the number one comment. Like, no, we're actually not. Look at your comment. You know what I mean?

30:55Claudia Oshry:You're still here.

30:58Jackie Oshry:Also, I think TikTok is the best forum for this for many reasons, including that.

31:03Claudia Oshry:Yeah. It just like it kind of sucks. Like, like, I just feel like for Alex Earl, just even her commenting on the video, like, OK on it. It's like Alex Cooper sort of like already winning and like telling her what to do.

31:14Jackie Oshry:Yeah. You know what I mean? Troll.

31:16Claudia Oshry:Yeah. Like, so I look forward to the video. Hopefully it's like we're running low on time here.

31:23Jackie Oshry:Yeah, this needs to happen quickly.

31:25Claudia Oshry:It does need to happen quickly. And I want to say, like, I know people on TikTok are saying Alex Huber wasn't a slight whatever. I'm looking at this objectively because I have no horse in this race. And I feel like I actually have a little bit of expertise on the matter because we do a podcast and we're in the biz and we work with the network. So I feel like a pretty good.

31:40Jackie Oshry:No, and I have to say, like, I've met Alex Earl. She's unbelievably nice. Like a little really before she blew up and she still like still follows me. She still likes my stuff. Like she's actually like a nice girl.

31:49Claudia Oshry:Oh, so you actually have bias.

31:52Jackie Oshry:Well, I guess because I've never met Alex Hooper. Does she follow you and like yourself? She follows me. And I wouldn't say she's like heavily engaged with my content. And if she does want the toast to start like skewing pro Cooper, like throw me a like.

32:07Claudia Oshry:So you can be, yeah, you can be bought is what you're saying.

32:11Jackie Oshry:No, no, I can't be bought. I'm just like, you know, of course your own personal interactions with people are going to sway. and like Alex Earl was just like, she's kind of like above and beyond. She follows Sachi. Like she's, me and Sachi met her at like this. Yeah, she's like a queen like that. Like, I'm sorry. Well, you know what? I met her right as she was taking off. Like, and you know what? I do feel like her, it really kind of speaks to her character that like she has so many friends. People love her. She's always making new friends in the industry. And I don't think you can really say that about Alex Cooper.

32:41Jackie Oshry:I think like a criticism of her is that like she has no friends in the industry. In terms of like the other podcasting swirlies.

32:48Claudia Oshry:And influencers.

32:49Jackie Oshry:Yeah. And influencers, right. And like maybe she's just on another level. Like she's friends with Margot Robbie. Right. But I do think it speaks to the, you know, the content of your character. When like you're just constantly like beloved by people. In a personal sense. I'm not talking about like the audience. And I don't think Alex Cooper has that. I think that's just like something people say about her a lot. Is that like she's ever with the people. But maybe she doesn't want to be. Like maybe she just wants to do her job and go home to like her family. So it's not 100%.

33:14Claudia Oshry:Miley Cyrus is calling her like sorry. I know. She doesn't want to go to your influencer event.

33:19Jackie Oshry:Screaming. But like even even before she was at this level like she was never engaging. I think she's always had this kind of like superiority complex. So I think that's why people are just more inclined to side with Alex Cooper before. I mean Alex Earl before they even know anything.

33:35Claudia Oshry:Yeah. They just like her more. And I so I feel like then I'm the last man standing for like really I'm not going to be biased about the situation. and I'm going to call it like I see it. Yeah, because... Does Alex Earl follow you? No, I don't think so.

33:49Jackie Oshry:I feel like she falls to toes. Why would she follow me? She's so generous with her follows. Do you know what I mean?

33:54Claudia Oshry:And I don't even want to know if she follows me. And I think Alex Cooper follows me and I'm still not going to take any sides.

34:01Jackie Oshry:I just want to let everyone know, like, I can be bought.

34:03Claudia Oshry:I'm crying.

34:04Jackie Oshry:I can be bought. But you know whose side I will? Sally.

34:12Claudia Oshry:let's see okay alex earl does not follow me out alex cooper does and i'm still not going to let that affect my decision so all i was trying to say is i'm looking at this so objectively i really have no horse in this race and and what i was saying we have like some you know insider info when we do this for a living so objectively i can say alex cooper's video was a sleigh that's just a fact and you might not like her so you're saying that it's not but it was she put Alex Earl in a rough spot that she can come climb out of. Yeah.

34:42Jackie Oshry:But that's exactly what happened to James Charles. It was like James is over party. This is drama. Get it. I'm telling you, everyone was saying James Tati's video by sister, James, Jeffrey Star, literally James Charles was dead in the water. And then he put up that video, 42 motherfucking minutes with receipts, proof, timeline, fucking everything. It was a masterclass in how to get yourself out of a hole. I don't even know if everything he said was true. Like, I didn't even care because I was just back on his side. Like, and then people started ping ponging so much. It didn't even matter. And it all came out in the wash.

35:13Jackie Oshry:Like, yeah. So she absolutely can like call James Charles, my friend. Yeah.

35:17Claudia Oshry:But round one. Cooper. We have Cooper in the lead. But this is just objective. So like, and I like, I'm not, I just want to see the story and I'll make my decision from there. I'm not going to let what other people's opinions or everyone's saying like this or that. So I think it's just me. You know, I don't know. know that anybody else can really say that that they're looking at this subjectively everybody else has like their faves i have like a i have like a like yeah no i feel like you have like

35:49Jackie Oshry:like you should have like a little bit of bias on like one particular matter

35:54Claudia Oshry:text me the matter no i could have bias but i'm like i'm i'm being like a jury member you know what i mean where i'm like yeah but i think it's hard for you to be completely

36:07Jackie Oshry:objective uh completely unbiased that's not a we have a typo oh fuck

36:24Claudia Oshry:okay and there's things but i'm i'm committed you're not gonna say it okay okay i'm committed to staying objective on the matter i would really like to try and do that

36:35Jackie Oshry:like a jury you know Alex Cooper once referred to us as that podcast oh when she's yes even though

36:40Claudia Oshry:yes okay yes yes I'm gonna be like that was like that was unnecessary that wasn't but even when you're like on the jury like and sometimes you're like oh I have a conflict you know and they're like now you're still gonna be on the jury sit out put it out of your mind that's gonna be me

36:53Jackie Oshry:it takes a lot of mental fortitude to do that I feel like I'm pretty unbiased as well honestly like even though you just said you're biased well it's hard to be completely unbiased like we work with these people we speak to these people like we have interactions with these people so i just want to be honest with everyone like that's what i am speaking objectively but also from a little

37:12Claudia Oshry:colored by my own personal experience i mean i did get real active east pr so they're gonna find

37:17Jackie Oshry:that like and kick me out of the jury 100 your honor exhibit a c jury member juror number nine

37:28Claudia Oshry:you're so the rural juror i so um oh my gosh and everything i've been fine everything i said about

37:35Jackie Oshry:sally yeah you are the opposite of a totally what's the word i'm looking for unbiased objective is objective like also mean unbiased yes okay so that's the word i'm looking for okay yeah

37:49Claudia Oshry:okay so like we're staying to him we're watching the space it should be any minute now i know something's gonna happen the second we're on alert like someone can barge in and let us know

37:58Jackie Oshry:no i know it's gonna drop like 20 minutes after the episode goes off but you know what i wouldn't

38:02Claudia Oshry:really mind that because it's nice to have a moment to like process how you feel about it as like a juror on the matter they do as a juror to review the evidence right deliberation are you ready for our next story yeah news that makes sense i guess brooke snader and her sisters are embarking on a polar expedition in support of women's health research.

38:24Jackie Oshry:So I want to say something.

38:27Claudia Oshry:Alternate headline, Brooks Nader and her sisters will do anything for a check.

38:31Jackie Oshry:Okay. So before I dive in, I want to say two absolute truths. Women's health research is so important. It's a grossly underfunded sect of research.

38:43Claudia Oshry:Yeah.

38:44Jackie Oshry:And two, I would actually lay my life out on the line, take a bullet for Brooks Nader. I love her so much. Okay. Those two things, notwithstanding, what the fuck is this? Like genuinely, this was so random. Like on Brooks' Instagram, I was like.

39:00Claudia Oshry:And they did like a sexy Arctic shoot.

39:03Jackie Oshry:Where they're like naked in bikinis on a snow mountain. I thought it was a Skims campaign. I thought it was a Prada campaign because they had a big Prada jacket.

39:11Claudia Oshry:Yeah. No, it's women's health research. So Brooks and her sisters will be experiencing sub-zero temperatures and they will face a polar expedition through the Arctic Circle in order to have their bodies studied in these climates. The study aims to explore how cold temperatures, isolation and disrupted light dark cycles, which are conditions that mirror those found in space, affect women's hormonal balance, menstrual cycle, sleep patterns and overall physiological adaption. It sounds like they're trying to answer the question, what happens to your period in space?

39:46Jackie Oshry:No, okay. Never mind. I take back everything I said. This is a great initiative and I love that Brooks is the face of it.

39:52Claudia Oshry:When you put four girls from South Louisiana in one of the coldest environments in the world, there's going to be some drama, Brooks joked. Sleep will also be challenging. The sun doesn't set this time of year, which sounds magical until your body has no idea what time it is. But that's exactly what researchers are studying, how extreme environments affect our sleep cycles. I guess in the past, like they have had this information on how sleep disruption affects sleep cycles, but they've conducted it on men and they haven't conducted it on women. Now, typically that would sound like an injustice, but I think it's really kind that they didn't make women go through this.

40:25Claudia Oshry:And now we have four brave women ready to brave the odds. I have a question. Teacher, who's paying them for this?

40:35Jackie Oshry:Like, what's the brand? Do you know what I mean? Like, is it a hospital? Like, who, like.

40:41Claudia Oshry:The initiative is by Extreme Research, Extreme Environment and Reproductive Sleep and Circadian Health. It's led by a doctor from University of Arizona's Center for Sleep.

40:56Jackie Oshry:So again, is this like a big check or is it like, what the hell is this?

41:01Claudia Oshry:I think it's a big check and it's content for their show that still isn't back yet. because this is so something Kardashians would have done in those early seasons, like a sleep study for sure.

41:12Jackie Oshry:Yeah, this is like the modern version of like those PETA campaigns or like the duct tape on your mouth, N-O-H-8, no hate.

41:20Claudia Oshry:It's not even because they're the only ones doing it.

41:23Jackie Oshry:I'd rather go naked than wear fur.

41:24Claudia Oshry:Yeah, that was like a...

41:26Jackie Oshry:That was a storyline on keeping up early seasons. Yeah, but like all celebrities were doing that

41:30Claudia Oshry:and all you had to do was like take a picture of yourself. Like that was like the ice bucket challenge. This is just like four sisters.

41:35Jackie Oshry:no there was like a formal no hate yeah you had photos and also milk got milk yeah but but no this seems like a one of one like i'm seriously cracking up brooks they're so funny i just love her like i'm sorry you will

41:50Claudia Oshry:never catch me saying a crossword about her no and i guess soon we'll know what would happen to your menstrual cycle if you were in the arctic and that's a question that he's answering and

42:02Jackie Oshry:as somebody who menstruates and spends a lot of time in the Arctic, I am glad for this.

42:07Claudia Oshry:Yeah. Thanks girls.

42:11Jackie Oshry:Important work we're doing.

42:13Claudia Oshry:Are you ready for our third story?

42:15Jackie Oshry:Mm-hmm.

42:16Claudia Oshry:Ruby Rose accuses Katy Perry of sexual assault. So what's so funny,

42:21Jackie Oshry:not that there's anything funny about this, but I saw this story before the toast yesterday and I almost brought it up, but I thought it was AI because it was like so insane.

42:29Claudia Oshry:Yeah. And you kind of need to like read the details. can't just like be like oh she tweeted katie perry assaulted her so here we have more information and katie perry's rep is slamming the claim is categorically false in a dangerous lie so it all started sort of randomly because katie perry tweeted during justin bieber's performance at coachella saying thank god he has premium i don't want to see no ads and like complex posted katie perry's tweet saying like that's what everybody thought it was so funny hysterical I mean, it's just really comedy gold.

43:01Jackie Oshry:She also said it like on video. Somebody was filming Justin's set and then panned to her. She's like, thank God he has premium. It was such a genuinely millennial joke. And people were like eating it up. I saw it all over. Katy Perry cracks hilarious joke.

43:14Claudia Oshry:And Complex was like, they wrote it up as well. And Ruby Rose responded to their tweet saying, Katy Perry has sexually assaulted me at Spice Market nightclub in Melbourne. Who gives a shit what she thinks?

43:25Jackie Oshry:No, by the way, I saw this on Twitter yesterday. I thought it wasn't real because she goes on to describe the incident, like extremely graphically saying like Katy Perry literally put her vagina on Ruby Rose's face.

43:35Claudia Oshry:And that Ruby Rose then threw up on her. And in the past, she's told the story to be like a funny little drunk story. She said, cause she didn't know how else to handle it later. She said, Katie agreed to help Ruby get her U S visa. So she kept it a secret. She said, but I did tell y 'all she wasn't a good person. She said, I was only in my early twenties. I'm now 40. It has taken almost two decades to say this publicly, though I am so grateful to have made it long enough to find my voice. It just shows how much of an impact trauma and sexual assault takes. Thank you for seeing me. Now, just for Katy Perry's side of things, her rep has responded to this and said the allegations being circulated on social media by Ruby Rose and Katy Perry are not only categorically false, they are dangerous, reckless lies.

44:14Claudia Oshry:Ms. Rose has well-documented history of making serious public allegations on social media against various individuals, claims that have been repeatedly denied by those named.

44:23Jackie Oshry:I know this isn't the point, But like this whole story just reminded me of that like two year period where Ruby Rose was so fucking famous. Like Taylor Swift's best friend, Orange is the New Black.

44:31Claudia Oshry:Like and then she's like the coolest thing that ever happened.

44:35Jackie Oshry:She was the coolest, like hottest thing. And then she really like disappeared. Not that's the point, but I just like was reminded of her. I forget about her.

44:42Claudia Oshry:Yeah. I wonder why. I feel like it wasn't by accident, you know?

44:46Jackie Oshry:No, I feel like she like didn't want to play the game or like she made an enemy in Hollywood because it's giving blackballed.

44:51Claudia Oshry:Yeah, it is giving blackballed. And I do feel like she has a lot of enemies.

44:55Jackie Oshry:Yeah. Katy Perry now number one. I don't know if this is true. I don't know if it's false. It's disgusting. It's disgusting of true.

45:01Claudia Oshry:It's also just kind of like a crazy. I guess this is like how she wants to share her truth now. But it's kind of like a crazy way to just like, you know, throw this out there. She said she doesn't want to file any claims. She just wants everyone to know. I don't know what we're supposed to do with that.

45:16Jackie Oshry:Yeah, I agree with that assessment. Like, I don't know what to say.

45:20Claudia Oshry:Yeah. Horrible of true. Horrible of false. Right. I'm just going to set that one down.

45:27Jackie Oshry:And make your own assumptions. Or not.

45:31Claudia Oshry:Or not. I don't think we should assume anything. I don't know Ruby. I don't really know Katie. I don't know Katie, I guess.

45:43Jackie Oshry:I guess it'll be interesting to see if anybody else comes out. Because I feel like that's when it happens. When somebody makes an allegation and two or three people say something similar. Or that always I feel like is the nail in.

45:53Claudia Oshry:This isn't like a move you pull once, you know?

45:56Jackie Oshry:A what? A move you pull once, yeah.

45:58Claudia Oshry:Like rubbing, like in a nightclub. It's so specific. Putting your vagina in someone's face.

46:04Jackie Oshry:I am curious if anyone else will speak out. I'm not sure if they will. Yeah, so just set that down.

46:12Claudia Oshry:Our next story, some more Coachella adjacent news. My boy Louis Capaldi is reacting to being mistaken for Louis Hamilton on Kim Kardashian Coachella date. So by the way, Kim Kardashian and Lewis Hamilton were at Coachella together. They are confirmed dating. And clap if you care.

46:31Claudia Oshry:I don't. It didn't even make the recap. You know, for so long it was like rumored to be dating, spotted in Paris, weekend tris. Then she was like on his Instagram in like a soft lunch sort of way. And then they were together at Coachella. And they are.

46:45Jackie Oshry:I just, I don't care. No, I don't. and I don't even feel like the internet cares I don't feel like people are sometimes someone something happens and I feel like the internet's trying to get me to care and it's like I don't I feel like nobody's talking about this even though he's one of the biggest athletes in the world

46:58Claudia Oshry:he's the biggest athlete in the world it'd be like if she were dating Cristiano Ronaldo like which I would care about well I would care because he's like married with children so that would be weird but like so he's like the male Kim Kardashian she couldn't be dating a bigger star and like nobody cares

47:14Jackie Oshry:and I just personally ship him with Nicole Scherzinger. You know, they were together for many years. Oh, very cute. And I think he also dated somebody in Little Mix. Am I right about that or no? Oh, I don't know.

47:26Claudia Oshry:I might be making that up. So anyway, someone posted like a video of Kim and Louis at Coachella. And it said Louis Capaldi spotted with Kim Kardashian at Coachella. They obviously got his name wrong. And Louis Capaldi responded saying, Wow, guys, not cool. Such an invasion of our privacy.

47:46Jackie Oshry:so funny he's such a good celebrity let me tell you how much more interested i would be in this story if it was kim dating lewis capaldi that's what i'm always saying like yesterday we were talking about jacob alorty and kendall jenner like i just want to be surprised every now and then like that's why lewis hamilton is so uninteresting to me oh the most beautiful woman in the world is going for like the biggest athlete the hottest guy like great like it's just so uninteresting like that's why did someone ugly that's why like pete davidson was so interesting

48:11Claudia Oshry:yes that was amazing worlds interesting age gaps like yeah like shake it up chicago it's really like it defies logic how the most you would think it would be like technically kim and lewis is like kim and kanye two of the biggest people in their fields and we just don't care even if she were dating tom brady maybe we'd be a little more interested but maybe not maybe i'm also not that

48:38Jackie Oshry:interested because I have quite literally zero knowledge of f1 as a sport like I know nothing about Lewis Hamilton's career I know nothing about the sport like Tom Brady I'm more familiar with like I'm invested in his personal life and I watch football and I was like watching his games when he was winning so maybe that would be more interesting to me but again it's just like it's so boring to me it's not a creative choice I just want somebody to like date that's why I like just date a normie yeah do something different yeah yeah well um I'm happy for Lewis Capaldi me too I'm glad like I'm glad this happened.

49:08Claudia Oshry:Yeah. And I think maybe it could be like one of those meet-cutes where it's like, oh, I'm not dating Louis Capaldi, but who's that? And then they just like sort of get together.

49:16Jackie Oshry:And then you get Louis Capaldi to like sing you to bed every night. And write songs for you. Before you go. You know?

49:27Claudia Oshry:I know. He's another one. I know. That's like a son to me. You know? He's one of my sons.

49:33Jackie Oshry:Louis Capaldi goes platinum in your Tesla.

49:36Claudia Oshry:One thousand percent. He's one of my celebrity sons. I have a lot.

49:40Jackie Oshry:Oh, add it to the family tree. Harry Jowsey, Alex Warren, Lewis Capaldi. Who else?

49:44Claudia Oshry:I feel like there was one more. Oh, Charlie Puth.

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51:31Jackie Oshry:Today's episode is also brought to you by a new sponsor, Salt & Stone. And you know what? I was hanging out with Shannon Ford over the weekend and she like always smells so good and smells the same. And actually my hair started to smell like her when I hung out with her for like two days. And it just made me jealous. Like I love the concept of having a signature scent. And I think Salt & Stone is a great example because they make so many good products like deodorant and body wash. To have like a full body scent. Do you know what I mean? The body wash.

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54:22Claudia Oshry:breaking alex cooper earl news right no nothing that i saw um our fifth and final story summer houses amanda batula has the munchies for jimmy johns in a new 420 campaign that just dropped um amanda batula is teaming up with jimmy johns to celebrate 420 and a couple other um stars famous potheads famous potheads who are these individuals we have cal penn you know him I saw what do I know him from I guess he's so classic like he's just like an actor he's an actor okay I didn't know he engaged in cannabis drugs so yeah the thing is that it's Jimmy John's so they're sandwiches but it's like the dream rotation menu and the sale goes from like April 13th it's like a play on the thing kids say like dream blunt rotation but it's like dream sandwich rotation and it's like a 420 and on 420 I guess like you order a lot of Jimmy John's so they like brought on some famous potheads including cal pen cheech marin and skylar jisondo and amanda betula who you know in this season of summer house kyle said that she smokes every night and she was like the darling of weed up until two weeks ago but this campaign already shot and other people got paid and so we're airing it we're doing i want to say something i

55:33Jackie Oshry:obviously this campaign is not for me i don't smoke smoke pot or eat jimmy johns right um however i imagine that they had a conversation about whether they would air the commercial you know amanda betula you know she was famously dropped from her most recent campaign after this big scamandoval with edie parker and i remember i believe i made them weenie of the week because they're just like so fickle and weenie and i kind of really respect the hell out of jimmy johns for not like throwing this campaign away it's a good commercial okay and you know amanda being in it i would never be talking about this commercial before that like even when she was beloved like okay she did a lot of ads like i don't know i like that they kept this on air or wherever it was supposed to be yeah it was on instagram all the comments were like oh i'm going to jersey mics now and like you're not because it's so ingrained people are so like it's your religion jersey mics versus all the other sandwich shops right or jimmy john's whatever people you're not going to switch it up because a man is in a commercial like sorry you're

56:23Claudia Oshry:just not yeah i don't think they were even like trying to take a stance against cancel culture

56:27Jackie Oshry:or anything they just like spent a lot of money and it's dumb to cancel it over like the sale is

56:31Claudia Oshry:happening like we've got to let people know so correct no like yeah and again it's not like she's like a criminal or anything it's just she's sort of fallen out of favor but we've got sandwiches to sell so here you go i just feel like in this day and age like no one would do

56:46Jackie Oshry:this like everyone's so afraid of being a part of any sort of conflict that i do respect this i'm sorry i do i don't think they were looking for respect i think they were just looking to save money but like big losers like edie parker i'm sorry i think that's losery oh but you'd like to them enough to include them with your campaign.

57:02Claudia Oshry:They didn't even wait to see how things

57:04Jackie Oshry:sort of shook out. Yep. Sorry, I like this.

57:10Claudia Oshry:Agreed.

57:11Jackie Oshry:Let's dive into Dear Toasters. What do you say?

57:14Claudia Oshry:Okay.

57:15Jackie Oshry:Our weekly advice segment every Tuesday, Jackie and I try to give back to our community a little bit of philanthropy. Sometimes you guys find yourself in sticky situations, whether your husband's doing something weird, your co-worker's being a bitch, you're in a bridal party that's a nightmare. Whatever it is, if you need advice and you always wanted to get it from your two favorite podcasters, you can do it dear toasters at gmail.com send us an email write us tell us what's going on in your life keep it brief like need to know information um or head over to the toast podcast.com our website and scroll down there's a little submission box says dear toasters both methods are totally anonymous we will never say your name or any identifying details okay you ready jackson claude i just gave birth to my first baby a month ago and my husband wants to buy himself a $4 ,000 watch to quote commemorate her birth for context.

57:59Jackie Oshry:He did buy me a push present of my choosing, but I was much more realistic asking for a ring that was under a thousand dollars. Is this not ridiculous? It is essentially a push present for him when he didn't push out a baby. Please let me know if I'm just being a brat or if this seems like a frivolous thing for a new dad to do. Yeah, no, I mean, I guess if I, I just want to say I respect his ingenuity and like reframing it as, you know, I'm commemorating her birth cause you almost got me. I'm not going to lie, but his commemorative gift being four times the price of yours is just unacceptable and i i hate when people are like so frivolous with money at the wrong time yeah we just had a baby no but like say they have like you know a ton of money yeah and that's how he wants to spend it i would say

58:41Claudia Oshry:like fine then but he also needs to get one for you like his matching his gift for the baby can't be bigger than yours so if he wants to get a watch for himself then he also has to get an equal value or nicer watch for you. So like, just let him know that. Let him know that and see if he still wants to get a watch for himself.

58:57Jackie Oshry:I would, however, just keep an eye out for this man. He's not gay. I'm just not, I'm not going there. I want you to know. But while it is funny that he's like rebranded his push present as like a commemorative, it's like low key manipulative. I could just see him being manipulative. I just want to say like, I think I can sense that within him. Not that he's done anything so bad, but just keep an eye on it.

59:13Claudia Oshry:And like a lesson to you, like dream bigger next time. Okay. A lesson to you, dream bigger next time. Yeah. You're very sweet.

59:23Jackie Oshry:Birkin but I also respect because I felt the same way obviously it went the way of the horse and buggy but like when I was pregnant towards the end and giving birth I was like so stressed like I was like we need to cut down we have to start saving for school like I respect people who are like fiscally responsible at a time like this so like your husband wanting to get not one but two gifts and his is four times the price like it's giving girl get out of here yeah I agree no how about just no yeah no is a full sentence you can't have your watch next go change a diaper hi jackson claude i need your help as i've witnessed something at work that i still haven't fully processed the other morning in the break room i caught my co-worker quietly dumping a handful of plastic forks from her purse into our communal plastic utensil box i of course asked her what she was doing and she very casually explained it that after she uses a plastic fork she takes it home washes it and then brings it back so it can be reused by our co-workers she does not inform anyone that she is doing this and acted like it was completely normal which honestly might be the most unsettling part now i can't stop thinking about how many lunches i have eaten with a fork that has been to a stranger's house not to mention is leaking in toxic bpa yeah do i confront her or just accept that i will never touch that utensil box ever again signed a pregnant bpa conscious toaster there's so many elements of this that are so weird like i'm sorry i know you can say what you want about plastic cutlery it is disposable it's not meant to be washed no regular

1:00:45Claudia Oshry:forks are so harmful is to put that stuff in the dishwasher and the heat not even not even hot water

1:00:51Jackie Oshry:even like leeches plastic yucky actually i keep my box of plastic utensils because it's just something i can't part with on top of my toaster oven and i actually it's leaching plastic yeah

1:01:04Claudia Oshry:yesterday i threw it out i was like no it's bad it's wrong so never use a fork from your office again obviously this woman needs to be educated and she needs to be stopped in her tracks what is she doing who gives a fuck they're the office forks the office maybe at your house if you want to save money and reuse even though like when you want to eat plastics in the name of saving of waste

1:01:26Jackie Oshry:management that's your business using disposable cutlery like there's cutlery that's not disposable

1:01:32Claudia Oshry:so just use that yeah no she absolutely has to be stocked you need to tell everyone about this everyone tattle paul revere sound the alarm the bpas are coming because that's unsafe for everyone

1:01:46Jackie Oshry:even beyond the plastic because i know some people like aren't moved by they say it's a conspiracy theory plastic like not everyone is plastic obsessed fine the sheer unsanitary nature of taking home in your purse like loose and you don't know where she lives loose forks hanging in her purse with hair she don't know where she lives and how she cleans them it's so unsanitary like this is actually you should also tell hr i don't think she could be trusted in the work like

1:02:15Claudia Oshry:what is she doing in her work if she has such bad decision making skills in her person check her expense report too she's obviously just like a liar this is so wrong and you don't even have to be like a crunchy crazy person to not want to use a plastic fork that's been in the dishwasher and like eat all that plastic that's just obvious yuck our third and final hey jackson claude my

1:02:41Jackie Oshry:husband and i recently moved houses while moving i found a very long fake fingernail under my side of the bed this was very suspicious to me as this fingernail was not one that could have come from anyone that we know i wanted to ask my husband about it but i ultimately decided not to in the moment we've been married for eight years we have two kids and one on the way but i can't stop thinking about this now do i ask my husband about it i already threw it away is it too late should

1:03:03Claudia Oshry:I just move on I don't think it's an affair he's obviously like a cross-dresser right what if it was like in a year that how long have they lived in the house I could it have been a cleaning lady like could it have been anyone who ever stepped foot into your room that wasn't you

1:03:20Jackie Oshry:or him like I on her side of the bed though it's so specific it's not like it was you know under the desk like if he's let's just say he's entertaining women he's obviously gonna go

1:03:29Claudia Oshry:to his side of the bed yet for himself right and so the nail being found on her side of the bed means the girl was on her side how could someone be having an affair in your bed as a mother of two small children like how could that have where would they have the time that room is booked and

1:03:47Jackie Oshry:busy i don't think it's a 100 a smoking gun and if you want to sit on this especially you're pregnant don't do anything yet but i feel as though maybe the lord has given you a sign keep it in that you You should, it's a brick on the yellow brick road. I would just keep walking, keep your head on a swivel, you know, look for perfume, lipstick, things of that nature, or, you know, a secret closet with wigs, because I could feel like a lot of girls wear, obviously, press on nails, but a lot of, like, drag queens do, too, or cross-tressers.

1:04:22Claudia Oshry:She didn't say it was a fake nail. She said it was like a.

1:04:24Jackie Oshry:No.

1:04:26Claudia Oshry:As if someone broke their nail. Hmm. long fake fingernail fake like a acrylic press on do you have daughters like that no she said

1:04:36Jackie Oshry:for a fact this could not have come from anyone that i know

1:04:42Claudia Oshry:it could have been stuck to the bottom of someone's shoe when they came in the house like yes that's what i said it's not a smoking gun but it's hella suspicious how on earth could a man have an affair in your marital bed when you have like two small children and you're pregnant you're pregnant aren't you in the bed all day you're getting like like definitely stuck on the logistics which i respect the logistics are impossible it's hard to operate anybody be

1:05:03Jackie Oshry:having an affair in your bed logistically because nobody can get in my bed if i never leave my bed right that's the thing ladies if you want your man to stay loyal never get out of bed well stay loyal inside the home yeah um so well okay so i agree with you that it's not 100 this could be explained away in a million legitimate ways stuck to the bottom of someone's shoe okay but like why of all the places for this fingernail that was stuck to the bottom of someone's shoe could have ended up in the kitchen the living room the bathroom the dining room it's under her side

1:05:37Claudia Oshry:of the bed don't you think that's weird no i think you're being delusional i know i really don't like i i just unless you tell me like you're in the military and so you're out of the home for months like if you're home with two small children there's no one having an affair in your bedroom

1:05:57Jackie Oshry:maybe she works and the kids are at daycare there you go and so the husband comes home in the middle

1:06:01Claudia Oshry:of the day with his maybe he recently got laid off even though i do think she would have told us that yeah and she would say like i just think it's it's seriously impossible i think it's

1:06:11Jackie Oshry:seriously impossible i wouldn't like write it off a hundred percent i would definitely keep an eye on

1:06:16Claudia Oshry:your husband yes of course but don't assume the worst if this is all you have and you know what

1:06:22Jackie Oshry:i do feel like maybe you can and should like just do a very brief snoop and through his phone fine if that makes you feel better yeah but like i don't know i think it could be so many things not impossible i would say it's like five percent chance affair oh i would say actually 50 chance affair yeah maybe someone kicked it through the window maybe like maybe it was a part of a it's I got stuck to a UPS box. Like maybe. So 50-50.

1:06:50Claudia Oshry:Also, let us know or think to yourself, like how often are you out of the home? Is it possible?

1:06:55Jackie Oshry:Yeah, I need you to take a look at your own logistical schedule.

1:06:58Claudia Oshry:And like, is it a possibility? Because I know like in my house that would be actually impossible. Don't you have like cameras or a ring doorbell? Wouldn't you see someone enter your home?

1:07:11Jackie Oshry:Yes. Yes, an in-home affair in the technological age is extremely difficult to pull off. I agree, especially when you have babies. The nanit, you can hear audio on the nanit from three rooms down the hall.

1:07:23Claudia Oshry:I'm telling you, it has to be very, very difficult.

1:07:27Jackie Oshry:When I'm watching the nanit and me and Ben are in the living room and he coughs, I can hear the cough on the nanit.

1:07:32Claudia Oshry:So just, you know your house, you know your schedule, look inward. Also let us know if there is room for a possibility. I'd like to know more I need more information here

1:07:43Jackie Oshry:yeah I agree well that's our show I'm exhausted from helping our listeners like it's exhausting just being so helpful leave it all up we do thank you guys so much for listening to the Toast the Monday Morning Show where we deliver the fast five stories you need to know every Monday through Friday on YouTube so watching us on YouTube please help you to subscribe and give us a video a thumbs up we're also available as a podcast where podcasts can be found so it's Spotify iTunes Stitcher Public Radio I wrote a cast box all the places we'll be listening to the podcast by Nessa Toast leaving a five story of your better beautiful setting and weekly talent we are

1:08:09Claudia Oshry:love ya Bye.