Cream Queens: Thursday, March 5th, 2026

9:56Claudia Oshry:He loves a Josh. He does love a Josh. She's, you know, preggy. Yeah, she's in her mama era. New Yorkers. Yes, New Yorker. The elk of New Yorkers. Both former friends of Taylor Swift. I think that you should pursue a friendship with her.

10:13Jackie Oshry:Now that we've had this conversation.

10:15Claudia Oshry:I feel like Miles Teller's grandma. You could be friends with her.

10:18Jackie Oshry:What if you just called Haley up? Yeah, what if you asked her to lunch? I do always leave supportive comments on her Instagram, and I've never even received so much as a like, so I'm getting the vibe that she's not interested in reciprocating a friendship.

10:29Claudia Oshry:I don't think she's noticed yet, but I feel like if she knew.

10:32Jackie Oshry:Okay, here's my application for being Hailee Steinfeld's new friend. Stuck in the dark, but you're my flashlight. Not going to go well. You're getting me, getting me through the night. Oh, ma 'am. No matter when, when you're shining in my eyes. No matter when, it's a sweet life. I also hate Anna Kendrick, if that helps. I think we just blew it. No, I think our chances are better than ever.

10:57Claudia Oshry:everybody loves us

11:03Jackie Oshry:that's literally us after like texting each other like the most vile nasty gossip everybody loves us it's true you're not seeing double you're seeing trouble

11:14Claudia Oshry:that's true you're not seeing creamy double you're seeing creamy trouble everybody loves us today's Thursday no special segments actually we do have a special segment me recapping southern charm okay i know the southern charm community means that um things are getting crazy i hear it's getting bad out there for craig fans it's getting bad out there for the craig fans and for craig craig self um we should have him on i have questions for him you know i like like yeah i have questions and i'll do my recap at the end because i know everyone's like waiting with bated breath and also major news in my household i got back into my hulu i went to hulu just in time for the secret lives of mormon wives premiere i went to hulu with zach last night i was like because we were gonna watch jfk and i was like you know we'll just make a new account because like every night it's posing an issue we'll succumb to corporate greed we were just let in thank you hulu oh they opened the gates so we watched one episode until i realized southern charm was on last night and we also watched that together so we did one and one okay um so i watched the episode you know the one they keep talking about page six at the end or whatever right so Now, like, the world knows.

12:20Claudia Oshry:Why is he putting on her skirt?

12:22Jackie Oshry:Yeah, I don't know. Maybe the boat gets wobbly. But that's what happened, though, on the actual boat. But don't you feel like the actor playing JFK Jr., like, doesn't give, like, off the vibes of a guy who, like, puts on your shorts?

12:36Claudia Oshry:So here's the thing. You think his poor performance is a referendum on the actor. I do. I'm interpreting it as a referendum on JFK, the man. It's not.

12:43Jackie Oshry:Because now, like, every news outlet is posting their archival interviews with JFK Jr. And I see him outside. He was hosting an event with Paul Newman. he was so that guy, like he was so handsome and like so smart. And maybe behind closed doors, like he was like a weenie who was putting on, but like I don't get that vibe whatsoever from his like front facing interviews.

13:02Claudia Oshry:But it's not like the things that he's saying, it's like the things that he did, like bring her to his sister's dinner without telling either her nor sister.

13:11Jackie Oshry:Yeah. And in the show it's giving, he's like ditzy and losery, but maybe in real life he wanted to like test her. And you know what? He's acting without intention,

13:17Claudia Oshry:like the men of Bravo. He is Jesse Solomon-ing. Yeah. And Austin Crowling. A thousand percent. And West Wilson-ing.

13:24Jackie Oshry:A thousand percent. Intention. One other thing. Don't you, who do you feel like the real Carolyn Missette looks like in real life? This isn't going to like ring true for our readers. What do you mean? Like who, like in our personal life, don't you feel like she looks like our friend Casey? Like they're twins. Oh, I have to look at her now. Oh, they're twins. You need to catch up like in full. there's one more episode and then one more coming out i think like tonight yeah yeah um so i guess like monday love story recap sure okay love story i could talk so weird that that's the name of it

13:57Claudia Oshry:endlessly about the show and mariah murphy when he did american crime story oj then it was like he's gonna do a lot more american crime stories and i think he did versace and that was it monica lewinski oh that was three american crimes so we'll get more love stories then oh is love story

14:14Jackie Oshry:like a category and this is just the first like sort of untold Jake Paul Lamar Odom?

14:18Claudia Oshry:Like it can be like because American Crime was OJ and what I just like Versace. God it was Monica Lewinsky

14:24Jackie Oshry:and American Crime. I don't think so because you just said. Oh I'm sorry I didn't understand what you were saying. Okay yeah American Crime Ryan Murphy good question. So it's like a category. Yeah. Yes so season one was OJ's two was Gianni three was impeachment. Okay. And then he also does Monster, which is like serial killers. Dahmer was the first season. Second season was Eric Menendez and Lyle Menendez. Got it. So now Love Story. Oh, got it. So he has like these sort of franchises. Oh, I like that. I never put that together. Yeah. So what do you think the next Love Story should be?

14:58Jackie Oshry:I feel like he should do. There's so many. That's a great question. Thank you. Actually, like an amazing question. Hold on. I really want to think.

15:05Claudia Oshry:You know what I would like? Like Elizabeth Burton. Elizabeth Taylor and Richard Burton. I love that. Someone explained that they got married and divorced and she also had time to get married like six other times. I love that. Yeah. That's a blind spot for me. Me too. And that's a great one. Kim loves her. And, you know, they're like.

15:22Jackie Oshry:Kim could play not Elizabeth Taylor, but like maybe a receptionist or something. I think Kylie should play Elizabeth Taylor. Let's talk about Kylie in the moment. Do you see the clip of her? Of course. Apparently she's only in the film for one scene. Yeah. Which I watched. Literally some of the best acting I've ever seen in my life. She out acted the fuck out of Charlie XCX, like who was kind of doing. I mean, obviously, I don't know how to act, but I feel like you're like supposed to be like not so drama. You know, it's like it's supposed to be all in the subtleties.

15:47Claudia Oshry:But I also don't know the context of a scene. I think Charlie's supposed to be playing like very frazzled. She just came from a session with Maria, who I want to say is like a guru of sorts. Or a facialist. Maybe. And then and then she runs into Kylie and she's like obviously having like a manic episode. And Kylie is playing herself, you know, heightened. Cool girl collected. like cool calm collected. Also like a little bit condescending but sweet.

16:13Jackie Oshry:Very industry like oh you must be so busy.

16:16Claudia Oshry:Yeah.

16:17Jackie Oshry:And she really slayed. She went to the Timothee Chalamet School of Acting. Yeah. I don't know if he like passed on a coach or coached her. It was so impressive and I feel like the Kardashians a couple of times have like waded into acting outside of Kim's now like acting career. You know Kim was in a movie once and you know Kourtney was in some date movie. Kourtney was in the She's All That. And whenever the girls act it's like very camp and it's like not good. You know, this like seriously, she needs an agent.

16:42Claudia Oshry:Yeah. It was so impressive. She's like Elizabeth Taylor, don't you think?

16:45Jackie Oshry:Elizabeth Taylor. Don't you think? Do you? I do. She looks like her. Yeah. Body like on point, hips, very feminine. Free idea. That's a great love story. Okay. What's another one? I don't know. Maybe like the Jacqueline Follet, Turdy Lou Freebush love story. That's true. I love that. Or maybe it's literally, by the way, love story is literally famous couples throughout

17:08Claudia Oshry:history i'm not okay it's giving prom theme i'm not okay it literally is we could also do even though at this point i feel like the story is told but it might be time for a fictionalized or you know like a scripted version david and victoria oh wait that's really good thank you oh is that a story no but it was yeah it was brooklyn beckham's birthday yesterday and she

17:31Jackie Oshry:posted these like just honestly pathetic pictures of them it's like he clearly like you know he was their first born like changed their lives all these pictures of the three of them and she was like happy birthday at brooklyn beckham we love you so much and then it was pictures of like them

17:42Claudia Oshry:with him as a baby like one and two years old so sad like it was it was heartbreaking the boy mama

17:48Jackie Oshry:in me i know and then i do want to say um nicola also posted like a video um she like set up this like donut cake and a bunch of presents and honestly like he looked really happy like they have a nice life like it was a nice video too i don't know i'm just like it was really sad yeah

18:04Claudia Oshry:And she's even though like he did what he did. She still loves. She like doesn't hate enough to like not love and wish him happy birthday. Oh, sick. The Beckhams is a great one. Thank you. So look forward to that. Let's dive in, shall we? Yes, we shall. Without further ado, it is time for the Fast Five Stories that you do need to know.

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21:00Claudia Oshry:You're welcome. Our first story, Traders winner Rob Roche gives Maura Higgins a Burgundy Hermes Birkin on Watch What Happens Live. So the story has come full circle. Rob, who betrayed Maura on Traders, shared on the reunion that Maura said if he got her a Birkin, that all would be well because he won over 200 grand by betraying her. So last night, they were both on Watch What Happens Live. Andy was in an amazing mood.

21:25Jackie Oshry:Like he was so, I think he's very like taken by Maura. No, because I know what you're going to say. A lot of times, like when there's like a young hot thing, Andy like perks up. Like he loves the young guys of Bravo and he's kind of mean to the girls, but always nice to the guys. No, he was very taken by Maura. Maura had the first seat. He was like, I think he was being really funny. Like he was giving OG Andy. And I think he was just excited to be in the presence of like a really fucking fabulous young girl. And I think it's very exciting for Andy that Traders is so popular and it's on Peacock.

21:51Jackie Oshry:so he gets to like make it about himself a little bit. Yeah. I think he was excited. It was a great, it was like a vintage episode.

21:57Claudia Oshry:Yes. And Rob gifted Maura the Birkin that he got her. So it was a very big journey for the Birkin yesterday. Rob went to Madison Avenue consignment with Jake Shane. I was, I meant to text him like, what were you doing there? I still haven't gotten clarity on his involvement. Yeah. Nobody knows Jake Shane's involvement, but Jake Shane was there because Jake Shane is always there. He's going to be there.

22:21Jackie Oshry:Yeah. And I love that. I don't know somebody on the internet who is so universally liked by both his peers, but also the fans. Like, because sometimes, like, you know, somebody blows up and all the comments are like, I don't understand the hype or whatever. He is so genuinely funny. And he's also like a nice guy. So, like, everyone who comes on his podcast, like, becomes his friend. He's, like, very affable with both, you know, the fans and his peers alike. I don't think Jake Shane has haters. I think Jake Shane has one hater. Do you know? Oh. Do you know who I'm going to say?

22:50Claudia Oshry:I do think I know what you're going to say. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

22:54Jackie Oshry:Oh, yeah. I just think he has one. I do. I do. I do think he has one hater.

22:57Claudia Oshry:I don't think there are communities that organize to talk shit about Jake Shane because there's really nothing.

23:02Jackie Oshry:No, I haven't ever gone, but I doubt there's a Reddit thing about Jake Shane. He's just the best. Yeah. He's Jewish, though. So he probably. And he's friends with Sofia Richie, our Zionist queen. So I'm sure there's like a. There might be that. There might be that. But other than that, who could hate Jake Shane? No. Everybody loves him. But actually, like we say it as a joke when everybody hates us. And he like, it's serious. We're being for real when we say it. Because usually we're saying it as a joke. Yeah.

23:31Claudia Oshry:Yeah, yeah, yeah. But we know that you guys are discerning and that you know when we're joking. And you'll get it. And when we're serious. Yeah.

23:36Jackie Oshry:The fact that we have so many haters genuinely blows my mind.

23:40Claudia Oshry:It's really true.

23:41Jackie Oshry:No, no. My mind is blown. I meant it when I said it.

23:43Claudia Oshry:Yeah. You know? Yeah. Anyways, Rob spent the day with Jake shopping at Madison Avenue consignment at Madison Avenue consignment. Because a lot of people were like, the bag is fake.

23:53Jackie Oshry:You can't just walk into a store and buy a Birkin. And while that is true, you can buy a second hand. Most people don't even buy Birkins at Hermes.

24:01Claudia Oshry:No, you can buy them secondhand from a consignment shop. They're more expensive. They're more expensive. But also this one looks to be like fresh out of the box. Like apparently Rob was wearing gloves. He said no one has ever touched this Birkin with their hands until Maura. He also shared that Lisa Rinna was helping him get a Birkin. He was going to go to Paris. Because, like, yeah, if you want to get one from the store today, like, you either have to be, like, a client with a lot of history or. Not even. They, like, order it. Like, you can't just get one today. But maybe someone could. Right.

24:28Claudia Oshry:Or, you know, travel around the world. Some of the stores. You have to pull major strings to get it out.

24:31Jackie Oshry:Some of the stores are a little bit more lenient. Like, you can get a leather appointment in Paris.

24:35Claudia Oshry:Yeah. So, and you have to pull major strings, which, you know, if you've never shopped there before, you don't have strings. You can't. Yeah. So Lisa Rinna was helping him. He was going to go to Paris. And then this came about where he was connected with Madison Avenue consignment. It's obviously like sponsored because I've said Madison Avenue consignment three times now. Yeah. We're ready for our Birkins, Madison Avenue consignment. And it's really brilliant. But he still he still owes her Birkin. Yeah, because he didn't pay for it.

24:55Jackie Oshry:It was supposed to come from the prize fund. Now, also, I want to talk about Lisa Rinna, who's really having a moment. I feel and I was like a Lisa Rinna on Housewives. Like I was not ever really on her side. And I was one of those people who was like glad that she left. And then afterwards I was like, wait, she's kind of necessary. And then I've been hearing really good things about her book, which she's been doing press where it just came out. People are mad that she said this thing about Sutton, that she had like a weird body. But beyond that, the book is getting rave reviews. And I do feel like she's really interesting.

25:22Jackie Oshry:I only know her from like 2016 on, but I forget that like she was that girl for a really long time in Hollywood. Like she married Harry Hamlin. Like you can just be nobody, you know? Yeah. I think I might read her book.

25:34Claudia Oshry:Yeah. Now that I read. Yeah. I read before bed. I think it would be a good one. Like Melrose Place. right like she was there for all of it and plus all of it the nicolette sheridan of it all sheridan she used to be married to uh harry hamlin and i believe they have a child together right really yeah let me just triple check before i just make stuff up but i'm almost fairly no i don't think that that's true i think it's something with michael bolton Michael Bolton

26:03Jackie Oshry:no he does Dimitri Alexander Hamlin parents are Harry Hamlin oh no and Ursula Andress children of Nicolette Sheridan oh she doesn't have kids okay my bad I was confused

26:15Claudia Oshry:yeah I mean we could learn all about it in in her book right yeah and like the traitors and I'm sure she planned it this way like for traitors and her book to coincide but also I feel like she's really riding the traitors wave and she's like teamed up with Rob they're doing like a bunch of shit together and I feel like it's so Rinna because I feel like she would otherwise like be mad at him because he really did throw her under the bus but she knows it's better for her to be aligned with him. She's a business woman. Yeah, and she's not going to take it personally.

26:41Jackie Oshry:It's not personal. It's not business. Do you feel like a return to Bravo is in the cards for Lisa? Like she is, her Q score has gone up immensely just over time. You know, time heals all wounds and she's, you know, she's very big in fashion. She goes to a lot of the couture. Couture? It's couture, honey. Do you know that sound? Couture. No. It's a trending sound on TikTok where she's like wearing this really crazy, I want to say it's like Schiaparelli. So it's sort of like costuming outfit. She's at Paris Fashion Week. And one of the Parisian reporters is like, is this couture? And she's like, it's couture.

27:11Jackie Oshry:But it like looks kind of nutty. He's like, it's couture? It's couture, honey. Check the label. It's the funniest interview ever. And it went viral on TikTok. So she's like very big in fashion in like a serious way, like with her girls. I don't think she needs to return to Bravo. I think she could. I think at a time when she wasn't asked back and she was like hated by the fandom. It was kind of devastating for her. but she really picked herself up by those bootstraps in a way that only Lisa Rinna could.

27:31Claudia Oshry:Yeah.

27:32Jackie Oshry:And that's sort of what she was saying on Traders, which I do understand. Like everybody on this show and people watching the show know her from the last eight years, but she was Lisa fucking Rinna before all of that. So I could see her not wanting to return. Like she kind of doesn't need it.

27:44Claudia Oshry:Yeah. I don't know. I would welcome it. I think she was like happy when she wasn't on Housewives. I think she would be happy to be on Housewives. Whenever this all settles down, Traders in the book, like maybe she'll see how she feels, but I think she could really go either way. Is she still really tight with Erica? Yes, I think so. I don't have reason to believe that they're not. I kind of like I'm ready for a Lisa Rinna return. I like the idea of bringing back old housewives, even if they didn't need a break. Yes. You know? Agreed. So I think we should normalize that concept.

28:14Jackie Oshry:Yeah, and she was on Watch What Happens Live, and I guess I didn't realize that she had left it poorly with Andy. Yeah, and he wrote about her in her book in a way that she didn't like. He shared her text messages. Yes, so that was sort of the big betrayal that she felt, but I guess her going back to Watch Reavens Live was like a

28:28Claudia Oshry:yeah and he like gave her like a big moment ode to Renna yeah not like an apology for anything but a moment of appreciation yeah it was nice Lisa yeah I think it was as close to like an apology as Andy can give a housewife like yes

28:42Jackie Oshry:he's Andy and they're housewives well Maura

28:44Claudia Oshry:got her Birkin burgundy with gold hardware which is what she requested and

28:48Jackie Oshry:I'm very happy for her I'm happy for her too she was fabulous on Watch Reavens Live like I was thinking about what you were saying about how like Like the traders will end up being like this huge, amazing thing for her. Cause she will now become like a fixture in fashion and in media in these states. Like she does major things in the UK. She's like a correspondent. She's goes to like whatever their version of the Oscars is the Baptist. Like, but she doesn't really have that recognition here. And she's just like really making the most of this moment. And I do feel like it will end up converting for her.

29:16Jackie Oshry:Like she's going to be, yeah. I'm trying to think of like a comparison, almost like a, like a page to Sorbo.

29:22Claudia Oshry:It's a situation. Like all press is good press. Yeah. Yeah, she could be an influencer. I mean, I think she has TV aspirations and also like - Correspondent. Yes, but I feel like also being in movies and television. Fabulous. So not just like being an influencer, because she has that like on lock. Of course, of course. She pays her bills like quite fine. Yeah, she didn't have to come to the States for that, but I think she wants Hollywood. Are we to believe that she doesn't own any other Birkins? Like this is her first? So I don't believe that. And I feel like if we cruised her into - She never said this is my first Birkin.

29:54Claudia Oshry:She said she wants a Birkin. Okay, okay. Yeah, yeah. She definitely has. Yeah, she definitely has. Or like a Minnie Kelly. Yeah, yeah, for sure. But no, she's not like trying to make us think that she doesn't have one.

30:04Jackie Oshry:I think she's really tight with Lisa too. That was the vibe I got from March Reaven's Live.

30:07Claudia Oshry:Oh, cute. Yeah. That's a good, nice friendship.

30:11Jackie Oshry:Are you ready for our next story? Did you see the cut with their, they make the worst fucking takes on traitors. I don't know who like their correspondent is on the traitors beat, but they were the one who wrote the article, like Michael Rappaport's ruining traitors and saying that housewives like shouldn't be allowed on traitors anymore.

30:23Claudia Oshry:I saw the headline, but what was the argument?

30:25Jackie Oshry:I guess they're too emotional and like drama. It's reality television. It's such a bad take, too. That's really the thesis? That like pulls people in. Wait, that's really the reason why? I only read like the first two lines. I'm not going to stop quizzing me. I don't know. Oh, sorry.

30:41Claudia Oshry:Okay. I'm like, okay. I'm just a girl who read the headlines like everyone else. But you know, like any good essay should be able to establish your argument in the intro. Let us know what we're in for. I didn't even read the intro. I just seriously read the headline in the first sentence. And then prove your points in the body. I'm sure they did. And then summarize it. I'm sure I would just disagree with it.

30:56Jackie Oshry:The Housewives are the most interesting part, especially for someone like me. And I think a lot of people who watch Traders who just are a part of the Bravo universe. I don't watch Survivor. I don't watch Big Brother. So like, what are you talking about? They're huge gets. Some perform better than others. Dorinda, like stunk it up. But who cares?

31:10Claudia Oshry:Plenty of other people who are in Housewives stunk. Agreed. So that's not cool. Yeah. Stupid take. Bad take. Yeah. But I would like to start the argument before I officially adjudicate. You can read it yourself. Before I officially adjudicate. It doesn't matter. You're obsessed with reading cut articles that you hate.

31:25Jackie Oshry:They're always like making the crate. And I guess that's like their, the point, like provocative headlines. But they're always dumb and bad. That Michael Rappaport one really pissed me off. Cause that was like some of the best traitors when he was on. Yeah. Michael Rappaport is ruining traitors. Like, no, your article is.

31:42Claudia Oshry:If you're a traitor and you know it, clap your hands. Are you ready for our next story? Some drama. The men are fighting. Chase Stokes slams Morgan Evans' masculinity over his remarks about Kelsey Ballerini divorce on Bobby Bones' podcast.

31:59Jackie Oshry:And Bobby Bones got involved and like really took Morgan Evans' side, which I feel like was a big deal. But we have to separate all the people here, you know? So Morgan Evans, ex-husband of Kelsey Ballerini. Subject of her EP that really went viral and made her a household name, Rolling Up the Welcome Mat.

32:16Claudia Oshry:And subject of her Call Her Daddy interview about her divorce. And Morgan Evans, who is also a country artist, who doesn't like share that much about his personal life and just like puts out music.

32:25Jackie Oshry:He really went off the grid for many years after Kelsey's after his divorce. He moved to New Zealand and he's just now resurfacing with a fiance, I think, or a girlfriend. Some new music in a very small, non-threatening way.

32:36Claudia Oshry:And so he went on Bobby Bones's podcast called Bobby Cast and they delved a little bit into his divorce from Kelsey. So in the interview, he admitted that he was not expecting the conversation when Kelsey told him that she wanted a divorce in 2022. He said, quote, I definitely wasn't expecting. Were you blindsided or were you just blind? And it took me by surprise. But yeah, that whole time is such a blur. It almost feels like somebody else just from where I'm sitting now. I just look back and I'm like, oh, my God. Yeah, it was just kind of a whirlwind, life changing moment. Elsewhere in the interview, he argued that he was characterized unfairly in the narrative surrounding his divorce from Kelsey.

33:13Claudia Oshry:He said, in my case, it didn't feel like it necessarily had a lot to do with me. I think maybe I was presented or made out to be or became an archetype for any guy that had done any woman wrong during that period of time. Like some of the stuff was just like, what? What are you even talking about? It doesn't not hurt, especially if it was real vicious or something. And then I click on whoever said it and just have a look and just be like, oh, yeah, it's OK. That looks like somebody going through a tough time.

33:36Jackie Oshry:Yeah, because the album became this like sort of empowering thing for women who had been like scorned. he sort of did become like a punching bag almost and everyone was like relating to Kelsey in their situations which were much worse. Now Kelsey in her interview told a lot about the marriage and in the album a lot about the marriage. He never did anything like really bad. He just like wasn't an amazing husband and they really were not well suited for one another as they grew up. Yeah. But then everybody started to put like their trauma marriage and be like yeah he's a Morgan Evans. It became like a verb almost.

34:06Jackie Oshry:And so I feel like he's never talked about his divorce, his reaction to being the subject of rolling up this viral album, this viral interview, this viral moment. So like six years later, however many years it's been, he talks about it in a still really respectful way. And Kelsey has even written music and spoken about how like, she does regret a little bit how much she shared. She wrote the song, The Revisionist, about that. Just like, you know, did she share too much and like whatever. And he's not even like so mad, you know? I thought it was like such a nothing interview. Yeah.

34:37Claudia Oshry:And then Chase sort of leaves this crazy comment. Commented saying this is about the most pathetic excuse of masculinity I've ever seen. Get a fucking life under Bobby in the comment section of the interview from Bobby Bones. So then Bobby Bones. You also deleted it. Replied to that comment and went off on Chase. Also, he did delete the comment. He's like, if you're going so hard. Go. Go. Like, who goes? That's like so crazy. Honestly, we need a wellness check on Chase Stokes. This is insane behavior.

35:06Jackie Oshry:Yeah, this is like the second time where he's done some really wild social media behavior while him and Kelsey are not together. It's giving the vibe that he's like a really toxic boyfriend. Like, I actually think this is so crazy, especially because nothing in this interview was really bad or mean to Kelsey. I think if Kelsey, I'm sure she didn't watch it. But I think if she did, she maybe wouldn't find fault. He's allowed to think he was a good husband. Like, that's just what divorce is. Everybody has their own version of the truth.

35:32Claudia Oshry:He's allowed to like share his experience six years later after she thoroughly shared hers. A thousand percent.

35:40Jackie Oshry:I don't think she would take issue with this at all. I think she likes Bobby Bones. I don't think that she's never going to go on the Bobby Bones. Like I don't think anything about this was bad. Like the man was beaten to a pulp. Like literally he's allowed to say one thing. I get the vibe but like Chase didn't even watch or listen to the interview. He's just like doing this like Kelsey I'm going to get you back. Look at me defending your honor. It's so cringe. It's so yucky. I believe they're broken up yeah I hope they're broken up

36:05Claudia Oshry:me too this is so yucky how about you just stop cheating on her that's like kind of toxic masculinity you know like you don't need to get in the comments and start yelling at her ex from six years ago you could just stop cheating on her and be the man that she needs because she's looking for a man with intention right now

36:21Jackie Oshry:I kind of want to argue like what he did to Kelsey was worse than what her husband did 100 % like his only real crime was like maybe not being like the most attentive or whatever Like things that are sort of stereotypical in a marriage that's falling apart. Like nothing bad. No cheating. No stealing. No lying. Like I would sit down.

36:39Claudia Oshry:Yeah. I would just stop cheating, bruv. And then like stop with the comments. And if you're going to go hard, like Bobby said, leave the comment. Go hard. Be hard. Right. Be hard. Chase Stokes, who's also like sensitive. Yeah.

36:52Jackie Oshry:I feel like this is like his like version of a grand gesture on her behalf. And I just know she like hates this. Yeah. Like seriously, leave Morgan alone. I actually think Kelsey feels now like leave Morgan. Like I think that's how she looks on the whole situation.

37:07Claudia Oshry:And also like excavating more drama between these two like isn't good for Kelsey. Like she's moved on. It's true. And now you're the problem. Yeah. Not Morgan.

37:16Jackie Oshry:A thousand percent. It's so weird how that relationship turned out because it was really like. Everything. To the men who love women after heartbreak. Like it was this kind of how her old relationship became the stereotype, like the archetype of like a bad marriage and a bad divorce. It was like the hope, the eternally hopeful story.

37:35Claudia Oshry:Like a rebound. That's the one. And he knows all the words. Yikes. Bikes. I think this guy is like trouble.

37:43Jackie Oshry:Me too. I'm seeing trouble. The erratic behavior also like makes me think. You know.

37:51Claudia Oshry:I don't know, but I don't think I want you to say. I'm not going to, but like people who act crazy like this. No, I just think he's like crazy. And like he tries to overcorrect his errors. Right. By. Oh, grand gestures. Yeah. With grand gestures that like don't really mean. That make it worse. That cause issues. And it's like, just stop cheating, bruv. And commit to her, bruv. That's it. It's that simple. Be the man that she needs. Come be the man I need.

38:18Jackie Oshry:Tell me you got something to give. I want it.

38:24Claudia Oshry:yeah exactly um yeah it's pretty simple that was really crazy of him yeah really embarrassing loser sneeze loser sneeze next chloe kardashian is sharing on her podcast about a bunch of things

38:39Jackie Oshry:including her status with good american yeah i feel like we sort of blew this up shout out to my girl georgie who made the tiktok about it and put me onto it um so chloe did like a q a on chloe

38:49Claudia Oshry:in Wonderland, which is just becoming like a great forum for Chloe to discuss Chloe things. And her family.

38:54Jackie Oshry:Like the fact that they haven't always had this like in-house podcast where they can address things head on. It's such a mistake.

38:59Claudia Oshry:Yeah. So she's addressing speculation about a change in her current role at her brand, Good American. So she shared that she's still co-founder and owner of Good American. At first, she said, I think you really want to help build the brand as much as you can. And we've definitely done that. But Good American is doing so well. And and Kurt American is strong enough and stable enough to sustain on its own. She concluded that she's still very much co-founder and owner of the brand.

39:24Jackie Oshry:So I feel like I always bring up this example. Do you know what I'm about to say? Fabletics? Yes! Because it's like a perfect example of how like there was a time where Fabletics was Kate Hudson's athleisure company. They used her. I'm sure she has like an equity partnership in the brand. But they used her to act like it was her company. And then it eventually became so big. People forgot is it Kate Hudson's like she I don't even know if she's a part of it. She doesn't post for it. I don't think it's in her bio, you know? It's like this way of building brands off of the backs of celebrities where eventually they're supposed to exist outside of that celebrity and thrive without them.

39:55Jackie Oshry:And I feel like Good American definitely got to the place where it wasn't like Khloe posting the drops anymore, right? It's like in every major department store. They have their own stores. It crushes. So I feel like they sort of ripped the Band-Aid off maybe a couple of months ago with removing Khloe from it publicly facing. But people noticed, you know? They didn't notice when Kate Hudson did it.

40:12Claudia Oshry:Yeah, and they just assumed that it's bad blood. But no, it's just like the next iteration of a brand sort of like Carolyn for Road.

40:20Jackie Oshry:Correct. Like removing the celebrity from the center of it. Yeah. Road is doing it slowly as they should. It feels like Good American maybe did it a little too quick.

40:28Claudia Oshry:Yeah. It has to be like a really one step at a time. It's also hard, like depending on the celebrity, I think Haley will have a hard time ever without for it to ever feel like not Haley's brand. And I feel like the same for all the girls in their brands. like they're just such brand you know even though skims no like skims kim can really never we'll never think of skims as anything other sorry we love it and we'll always wear it but like if kim ever tried to like remove herself oh that's so funny i so don't see it that way i feel like i

40:58Jackie Oshry:would think something went wrong i feel like she's always like posting like videos of her oh my god i never see those i always see just like skims like it's like its own company i never i feel like i haven't seen her do those like try-ons like guys we're launching these undies oh i feel like I haven't seen it in years.

41:12Claudia Oshry:I feel like I'm always seeing stuff. Maybe it's just like our algorithms,

41:15Jackie Oshry:but I feel like she has really successfully extricated herself from the brand, but like she's still always promoting it. She's still like, you know, posting about it, but I don't even think of it so much as Kim's brand anymore. I think it's like this mega thing she built.

41:28Claudia Oshry:Oh, really? Oh, I don't have that experience. I feel like for the girls, it will be hard for them because they're just like so forward facing. Kate Hudson does so many things and it's like, oh, we like know about Fabletics, not because of Kate Hudson. And then it's just like a fun fact. Oh, it's Kate Hudson. Yeah. So it's not the same.

41:44Jackie Oshry:I feel like that's the sort of core issue with Kylie Cosmetics is that she doesn't really want to be like so involved in it anymore. But she can't not. It's first of all, literally her namesake. Maybe that's like what makes it hard. But it's like I think products only sell when she posts about them. Whereas like Skims is getting, you know, thousands of orders a day, I imagine. And when Kim posts, it's like a little bit of a bump. But the company exists without Kim and her like supplemental promotion. whereas like Kylie Cosmetics I don't think they get one order until Kylie posts to TikTok yeah

42:14Claudia Oshry:and then it's like

42:14Jackie Oshry:a couple of weeks of lots of orders and then she just posts another one yeah and that's fine keep posting yeah keep posting but I think Good American like with their retail presence I think that they very much operate without Khloe successfully yeah same with Lemmy really?

42:29Claudia Oshry:yeah Lemmy's all over Target I mean Lemmy does really well but like it's still to me like Kourtney if Kourtney ever stopped posting about Lemmy and Lemmy was still doing further launches and she wasn't posting about it I would think something went wrong now she could say oh nothing's wrong you know you just live on its own i'd be like oh okay i think that the brand

42:43Jackie Oshry:could live on its own like without kent without courtney i think they have like really good like they're they do like great social like instagram partnerships they're all over target like whenever i walk into a place i feel like she supports but i think every time she posts like it doesn't necessarily move the needle that much like i think it's sort of it's just funny what takes

43:00Claudia Oshry:and what doesn't you know yeah but i think with that she's more so like the face of it like not about like direct to consumer like click this link right but it's like the kourtney kardashian lifestyle yeah she's like the gwyneth of sprinter i don't know where that falls into

43:17Jackie Oshry:this i feel like i don't even know if when kylie posts sprinter if people buy it honestly yeah but

43:23Claudia Oshry:yeah i don't even know i think it's doing well that's about but then chloe also shared in her q a that she has a frozen embryo that she's considering having another baby either on her own or with her next partner but does that mean an embryo is like has a dad yeah so it's tristan's oh yeah so she's another partner but it would still biologically be tristan's and i just feel like he's messed up so much he's not allowed to like say you know it's so true like it's her embryo period yeah yeah i that i guess that's fair yeah and he has like a lot of kids yeah so i actually don't feel like he's that precious yeah he literally um but she said that she wants to give True a sister and she thinks like you know she's obviously grew up with sisters and one brother so she doesn't feel like Tatum needs brothers because Rob didn't have brothers right all as well but that she really feels like True needs a sister and so she contemplates like you know unfreezing that embryo I know I feel like she had such a bad experience with surrogacy

44:20Jackie Oshry:but I don't know if she would do it again yeah I feel like that's probably something that plagues

44:23Claudia Oshry:her but maybe having like her expectations now having done it already and having done it like she maybe do it differently and whatever about it that she didn't like love she could change um but and she said true knows that she has a frozen girl in the fridge she tells people that she has her sisters and elsa her sisters in the freezer like elsa yeah that's cute um but that would be interesting but i also feel like it's maybe a little different because true's growing up with her cousin so close she's one of the triplets she's one of the triplets of shy dream and true and then there's Stormaloo and I feel like they have that sisterly I think they're in a homeschooling cohort where they made their own school and so it might not be what Chloe grew up with but it's akin to sisterhood I agree, I think True would be okay but I think it's more so like maybe Chloe wants more kids Does Chloe want more kids?

45:17Claudia Oshry:Is Chloe going to date? I find it so exciting when they have more kids I know I'm itching for one You just had one Oh okay, I'm a girl

45:25Jackie Oshry:Slow down

45:26Claudia Oshry:no no no no I meant for them you know yeah and like of course I don't want to put pressure on Kylie and Timothy no that's definitely happening yeah his partner his partner and she wants a lot

45:41Jackie Oshry:of kids I just know he watched her in that movie which is like definitely like a turnt movie but

45:45Claudia Oshry:like her no but for his sort of people I think it's like 824 824 it's the highest honor I think

45:51Jackie Oshry:he saw that and probably cried like it was so impressive that's his queen right there big time

45:56Claudia Oshry:queen btq so um i won't put pressure no of course and chloe i won't put pressure but like that would just be very exciting um before we dive into the rest of the show can i let you know that the

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49:21Jackie Oshry:I would only do it if it if he went to Ben's parents. He basically like has lived there half his life between being pregnant and just like us taking trips and stuff. So when we saw them recently, they said, you know, we'll take Romeo home with us. And you know what? I said no. I said no. I feel like I'm really feeling back to myself. He's not bothering me nearly as much as he's getting older. Like he is becoming less annoying. Still not perfect, of course. but I feel like I think also now maybe like knowing I have the real option to rehome like I'm open more to you know life's possibilities but yeah not to brag but did they say like we'll

49:57Claudia Oshry:take him or like we want him both they want him yeah I know that they like you know want him I feel like if they really really want him well then who are you to deny them right but for right now like I think I'm okay okay yeah maybe when we get back to the city like he'll start to annoy me

50:13Jackie Oshry:again. We'll monitor the situation. But our time here has been really good for me and Ro. Yeah.

50:17Claudia Oshry:Like the Florida sun has been good for Romeo. Yeah. For his mental health. And he's just like sort of like stopped, you know, stabilized a little bit. Stabilized.

50:25Jackie Oshry:Perfect word.

50:25Claudia Oshry:Our next story. Some crazy news. Britney Spears was arrested in California for a DUI. Yeah. On Wednesday night. Oh, my God. I totally miss this. Yeah. There's not a lot of information, but she was arrested in Ventura County on Wednesday night for DUI. Law enforcement told TMZ. She was handcuffed by the California Highway Patrol around 9.30 p.m. Wednesday night and she was booked by the Sheriff's Department around 3 a.m. She was released from jail around 6 a.m. according to inmate records. Is there a mugshot? I have not seen one yet but we are closely monitoring the situation. Jesus. Yeah. What do you have to say?

51:01Jackie Oshry:Unfree Britney? Like I don't know. Do you better? No. This is my my take on DUIs is obviously always met with like a stern talking to but i don't think you know i wouldn't put her in the same basket as justin timberlake right um i just feel like like the those who freed britney like

51:24Jackie Oshry:maybe shouldn't have you know yeah i feel like it was never really for me and like you couldn't say it at the time right because it was like free britney yeah of course but it was always like Like, well, I don't think she should be in this conservatorship, but she should be in a conservatorship. Like, and I feel like it's so terrible that like her time in that conservatorship like made her worse because they were putting her on lithium that she didn't need. And like you don't bounce back from that. This is so sad. And obviously like DUIs are like my thing, but I don't feel like yelling at her.

51:57Jackie Oshry:You know, I feel really I feel like hugging her. Like this is so sad. Do you know if anyone else was in the car?

52:02Claudia Oshry:No, there's not. anyone else that is mentioned this is just devastating yeah well it doesn't sound like like she was arrested before she could cause any harm harm well that's always good of course that's the number one concern yeah but things aren't like looking good good you know britney yeah um our fifth and final story is my new favorite category of story for thursdays and

52:26Jackie Oshry:that's mass singer reveal oh yeah i was keeping up last night but i didn't know who the guy was

52:29Claudia Oshry:Yeah, me neither. So the eggplant has been revealed as Jack Wagner, who was this alum from Mower's Place in General Hospital. He's like a 90s actor, like the male Lisa Rinna, I guess. So like his trailer was right near mine.

52:45Jackie Oshry:This one doesn't hit for me, you know, I have anything to share. I'm sure some of the viewers like like loved him and it was exciting for them. But like for me, like where's Philip Phillips?

52:52Claudia Oshry:The the theme was Oz Fest night, which was not about Wicked. It was actually about Ozzy Osbourne. I'm so glad I missed that I don't know one single Kelly Osbourne was a panelist Kelly Osbourne on the guest you see her at the bath says people are really like worried about

53:07Jackie Oshry:her why um she was looking like really because of her face face new face very frail she looked like the same like she looked like her mom and her mom's much older 30 years her senior well she was a guest panelist last night for Oz Fest I don't know if everyone at the Masked Singer like hates me because I did quit. But I would love to be a guest panelist. I just want to put that out there. I feel like I would be really good.

53:31Claudia Oshry:Yeah.

53:32Jackie Oshry:I don't know if that's going to happen. I think that ship has probably sailed. But if Kelly Osbourne can't make it next week, like I am available.

53:38Claudia Oshry:Yeah. And what sort of night would you want to judge? Glee night? Is there a glee night? There should be, but there would be a million people they could ask before you.

53:45Jackie Oshry:Da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. There are a million people they could ask before me who would say no, but I would say yes. No, but there are some that would say yes, you know? Yeah. There are a couple that would definitely. I would love to, if there was like a Broadway, like musical theater, I would love to do that one. A lot of people. Yeah. So we need to. So what? If there's a song, if there's a night, a week where they sing my songs.

54:04Claudia Oshry:No, or like a week of like pop culture week or something. Yeah. Yeah. Podcast week. Yeah. Yeah. I'll do it. So yeah, we're getting closer to the end. I'm really, really excited to see who wins. I'm excited to get confirmation. Also, someone gave another good clue about Pug Caso. pablo picasso philip philips p madam marble flip it around philip philips exactly yeah no that was a good clue like right in front of our eyes too yeah sort of like queen corgi right oh my gosh i'm so excited so um you watch mass singer and southern charm last night kind of a busy night for you i didn't watch mass singer but i am keeping up with me too because i'm really interested to see who is competing alongside my sister who i adore and i just am very interested it's all about your adoration.

54:53Claudia Oshry:It is. I mean, would I be sharing Masked Singer reveals every week? I was not being facetious. Like, I'm so involved. Why are you attacking me? I was saying it. I felt like you didn't feel like I was being genuine when I was. I think you're projecting. I've never ever, I don't even, I never even clicked Masked Singer reveals before my sister was on the show. I agree. Like, I'm agreeing with you. I wonder why he was the eggplant. I think we need to know more about Josh Self. Was that his name? Jack. I think we need to know more about Jack's self. That's kind of a crazy one. You would think it would be like a porn star.

55:28Jackie Oshry:Okay. I guess also if you were cream, it could be a porn star.

55:34Jackie Oshry:Creamy girls.

55:38Jackie Oshry:Are you going to do the Southern Charm recap or not?

55:40Claudia Oshry:I know you really want to hear it.

55:41Jackie Oshry:I actually don't because not to, I have to say this every Thursday. As somebody who knows Craig Conover in real life and knows he's a good person, Like, I can't be swindled by what's going on in this show. Like, that's my friend. So here's what's going on.

55:54Claudia Oshry:It's a fallout from the night of Craig yelling.

55:56Jackie Oshry:La, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la. Toxic Craig stand over here. La, la, la, la, la, la, la.

56:01Claudia Oshry:I have some things that I want to share. So he yelled at Sally all night long in the car. And the thing is, like, she did, like, antagonize him. But, like, you should never speak like that to anyone. Let alone a woman. In a confined space for an hour-long car where they can't get out. And he's just, like, yelling obscenities at her. they were drinking for 12 hours all day so the circumstances for which it happened are not good and it should never have happened however now it's the next day and it's like let's deal with what's happened and let's try and make it right you know like an apology can go a long way I mean look at us in Hillage Alosment right the next day everyone's just sort of like yikes and it's like has anyone heard from Craig and he's just like in his room till 3 o 'clock where he goes and has lunch with Whitney and I just want to say the star of last night's episode it was between Shep and Whitney Whitney is so growing on me.

56:49Claudia Oshry:Wow. He's so, like, hysterical, some of the things he says. Zach was, like, cracking up. And I don't know if I've just never, like, seen him in this light or he's just, like, he's barely on the show. But when he is, he's just, like, funny. A delight? Not a delight, but, like, just, like, funny and weird. And you can appreciate him for who he is. So he's having a good showing, as is Shep, because he's just, like, I've been where Craig is, like, the morning after, like, hating yourself. He's, like, nobody's madder at Shep at Craig right now than Craig is. So I just want to like be there for him.

57:18Claudia Oshry:He needs support and he needs his friends. And like, it's just the worst feeling in the world. Now, unfortunately, Craig's not really like projecting that, you know, much apologetic apologetic and shame as he should. And you must humble yourself always. And he was like, you know what? I obviously like I reacted too much. I shouldn't have done that. And what it needs like to him, you know, maybe you should apologize. And Craig's like, to who? Like, to who? La la la la la la la la la la la la la. Sally Austin Charlie's done with him by the way she was in the car and they were like you know they had something nice budding and part of Craig's grievance with Sally is like Sally's completely coming in between Charlie and Craig and she is she's like Charlie why don't you tell me about your relationship and meanwhile she's like Craig's the worst person so of course like her best friend disliking the man she's interested in has made their relationship slow to progress but again you don't braid someone in the car for an hour um and so now charlie saw this very ugly side of him and she's like i'm done and i can totally understand that they barely even they have only kissed and it's like i just saw the worst side of you like why would i ever want to get into a relationship with that so then they did this like big healing thing they all were in like a sweating tent that was the whole point of the trip no no no they went to mexico like for this wellness trip and like the last day yeah they were in a yurt sweating it out I love a yurt um of course Whitney did not sweat it out because Whitney he said he hates hippies yeah he said he like went to a hippie school growing up and that's why he hates hippies and he's turned to punk rock instead so he's just like on the outside judging everything but at the end he like does come in like for one big jump which is just funny um so they're all sweating it out and everyone I think it's very cathartic moment and even like Craig and Vanita they wound up at like holding hands because of the exercise and it could have been a moment of forgiveness and I feel like Craig has sort of missed his opportunity to apologize and like he he needs to apologize because his behavior was totally wrong and he's just like not seeing that the next day um but I just want to like shout out to Shep because I feel like he's really matured over the last year and he's been such a good friend I mean better late than ever yeah yeah he's been a good friend to all of the guys as much as he can be and like gives pretty good advice that he can't take for himself but um I really appreciated his take on like yeah everyone's upset and everyone had like a horrible night but it's like easier to be the person who like had a you know someone yell at them versus like the next day being the person who feels a lot of like shame and it's very isolated and so I thought Chep took a very mature approach to that um it also seemed like Craig and Austin reached a little bit of a rapprochement during the yurt but next week is the finale and all goes to shit again and hopefully it's never Craig's fault right no but I'll be curious to see if he does eventually like apologize and just own up to his behavior and like the drinking and it was just it got to a bad place and I feel like it's fair for him to not be in the best place right now right but he has to like open up and share that with people and not just like push through destructive and just justify what he did because that wasn't cool well there's always next week Craig I believe in you yeah and sometimes like you need a minute to process it's not like you know and you want the apology to be genuine in.

1:00:31Claudia Oshry:So you want the person to feel back. Immediately after they don't feel back because it hasn't like dawned on them yet. Like I can give a little more time, but like let's get to that apology. Yeah. How about that apology? Anything on tonight?

1:00:42Jackie Oshry:Yeah. Beverly Hills. Oh, right. And I did catch up. Beverly Hills. I don't know if I'll be able to watch in between all my reading. I read again last night.

1:00:51Claudia Oshry:Oh, speaking of reading, Redheads will be out today. Wow. It's all ready to go. It'll be up right after this. So go listen to that now that we're done. Now that we're done, and it's safe to go back to the red.

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