Dancing FOR The Randos: Thursday, October 9th, 2025

0:20I sound amazing. welcome back to the show oh my god i was to la i forgot how to speak welcome back to the toast and happy thursday and it's kind of a different feeling type of thursday because i love la at the great as the great shows of sunset once said that's right turdywood turdy takes hollywood starts today i like turdywood yeah me too i couldn't like figure out exactly how to word it but we're working on it okay well welcome to turdywood claudia is live from la which is so exciting for me because I love the elk of an Angelian and I really do hope that you get into the spirit of things I think you'll like reach untapped potential as an LA creator and podcaster look at you in the dear media studios do you feel different already do you feel like talking about like wellness and a job in your love well I I job my love pretty much every day so you really don't need to worry about that being like a coastal thing.

1:19I job my love and I love my job. You know, I do know how it's like, do you, do you feel like you job your love more than you love your job or you love your job more than you job your love? These are some big questions. Like now we're getting to the big questions, but how does it feel to be in the dear media headquarters? Like we're not really like in office swirlies, you know, we're kind of the remote workers with our own studio. So how does it, what's it like over there? I was saying to Daniel here, who's in Literally in this room with me, I was saying, like, you know, I don't usually, like, do this with people, you know, especially, like, people I'm just meeting.

1:52I never do this. And I do feel like, I'm not going to lie, like, extremely awkward. Because of Daniel. Because of Daniel. So, like, if I'm being weird today, like, it's Daniel's fault. There's just, like, somebody right here. You know? And how can I talk about, like, my period? Like, Daniel's here. Unfortunately, she can't talk about her period. The good news is, you guys, I don't have my period. You would know that because I shared the last time I did. Just to circle back on that period and put a dot at the end of the sentence, how was the whole period? Like overall, how was the experience? Oh my God.

2:24My first period after being pregnant was insane. Ready? What's that from? My first period. It's from Friends. Chapter one. My first period. Title. Obsessed. Write it down. um so i'm glad you asked because yes i did just have my first period after being pregnant and it was a bloodbath like oh jackie but let me tell you it lasted oh no one day daniel it was what will daniel think it was a 24

3:00it was a 24 i just want to let you know daniel's enjoying immensely he's like literally he's giggling so hard oh i love that and i can tell daniel has swirly energy i'm actually really not worried like i don't feel weird at all i'm sure daniel has seen and heard like everything because really it's true dear media has so many fabulous podcasts so many different topics genres it's true women's health they're really like a strong voice for women like he's heard it it's true yeah it's true um so having said that it was a 24-hour bloodbath and it that 24 hours happened to fall on yom kippur it was insane and i wore a white maybe that's why you fainted you lost too much blood oh my god I needed a blood transfusion yeah and I wore a white skirt to synagogue on the day that I was like literally fighting for my life menstrually I didn't get the all white memo for Yom Kippur I don't know how I missed it but there is no memo everyone at school was wearing white no and in hindsight like yeah that is like the color for like a tone purity right um thankfully I had a white cardigan, but I felt so like improperly dressed.

4:02So I want to tell you guys about my journey to Los Angeles. It was my first flight with Ruby. And of course my King was amazing. Like I seriously have no complaints. I actually could not have asked for him to be like better. Yeah. Um, but it was not without you. Of course you doubted him like thinking like, Oh, can Ruby do this? Can Ruby do that? I didn't doubt him, but let me tell you, I was prepared. I brought a cooler of milk, 20 ounces of milk, which we used by the way. I had my two, I had my tits out the whole flight. Like seriously, I did not care. Tits out for the boys. for the boy the one just one yeah it was a little bit of excitement on the plane because Andy Cohen was on my flight so actually me and Ben were in the lounge and he walked by I recognized him immediately let me tell you he has a mop of hair I've never seen someone have so much hair it's just like thick that was the first thing I noticed and Ben of course had to center himself and he was like wait I should tell him that I'm the guy like this Brits guy like Craig's business partner it's a pretty decent connection considering you can't go up to him and tell him about the toast because if he no to search his name if he ever heard if he ever heard yeah no not good so i you know ben is like really not shy and i was like you know what i actually do think andy like would find that interesting right um although i don't know if andy's like reputation is like he's like overly gracious to like fans and stuff like i don't think he likes being approached but i said you know ben do it like ben's such an affable guy um i think andy would appreciate this fun fact about who you are and I saw it Ben go over to Andy the lounge I heard the conversation like I don't really think Andy but Ben was like so sweet and he was like it was just it was fine you know like it was fine color me shot but then but then we got on the plane I had a feeling Andy was on my flight like he was also going to LA um and then yes lo and behold he was sitting right in front of Ben and I have read all of Andy's books and so he's always traveling and he's always talking about on his planes he like watches all these episodes of housewives upcoming gives notes to the editors i'm like there's literally no way he does that like watches every episode and like takes notes on like what needs to be edited out what he likes what he doesn't like let me tell you i walked past this computer like five times he was watching new episodes well i don't know if they were new but they looked like they hadn't been aired yet of oc and solid city and he was also jotting down notes i was being such a little rat like snooting but let me tell you he was actually doing it wow walking the walk talking to talk exactly and then and then when we all got up like uh to deplane and I was right behind him with Ruby in the stroller.

6:23He was like, wow, your baby was so good. I was so proud. I was like, yeah. He was like, he literally didn't make a peep. Like, wow, he's such a good baby. Like, kind of made like a lot of comments about it. And I was like, yeah, yeah, that's my baby, yeah. Who would have thought between like you and your pop culture podcast and Ben and his Bravo connection, like Andy was only interested in Fu? Listen, we are parents. Andy's a parent too. Like he gets it. He is. Now, that's not the story actually I wanted to tell you because I've had like my parents first like Los Angelian experience experience.

6:54And because this trip to LA like is fueled by the good guys, I am going to phrase it in a what are you nuts. Okay. Okay. Because I had a what are you nuts moment this morning? We don't have a car yet. Ben is actually going to pick it up right now. So I just Uber to the studio. Okay. And you know, there's a bunch of different options on Uber and they have like different ones in different cities. Like in New York, you can get Uber X, Uber black and Uber premium. Like that's really it. But other places they have like Uber comfort there was an option for me to work today uber woman driver and like no i actually have like a lot of people relying on me to get to work safely because i don't put out this podcast like millions of americans are affected like i can't take such a risk with a woman driver i'm like this is so california like that's woman driver crazy i know i can't and to be clear if I get like a woman if it was literally called Uber woman if I get a female driver in an Uber like I'm I'm not like thrilled but I don't cancel like it's fine it's fine like it's literally not a big deal would I go seek it out like probably not probably not but there might be the case to be made like I don't know if they're doing it for like women's empowerment or like you know closing the pay gap um or for like safety because in other ways like yes maybe actually on the road you're perhaps not as safe with a female driver but in the car you might be yeah i guess if i was like you know traveling at night alone and they had that option i actually might click it i take it back that might be what it's there for yeah not just like a performative thing to like right inclusion women and and break the glass ceiling and kill people

8:39yeah okay by the way you've actually changed my perspective on it that's actually a really valid reason and like if i had like a a kid taking an uber i'd be like yeah do the woman yeah you'll get here tomorrow but it's fine she's gonna read you to filth she's gonna be so nasty but so yeah i'm an angelino i have so much to do today getting like my digs ready you know i gotta pick up our car i gotta find like my local spots but all in all turdywood is is off to a good start I'm really happy and excited for you and I love this change of scenery this change of turt I actually did something major yesterday I talked about a few months ago how I was a judge um I was selected as a judge of a short story contest that was hosted by the novelry it was the biggest contest in literature with the biggest prize money a hundred thousand dollars for the winner um all summer people submitted their short stories they got records like crazy amount of submissions and they uh shared the top ones with the judges and we the judges panel met yesterday so jackie's a judge on like this really elite thing with other like like huge celebrities as judges huge celebrities and authors like just a who's who of the book world literally you like i heard the author of the camber of the counselor was on that panel right so i was like happy to be there amongst colleagues we met and deliberated yesterday and chose the winner so i think that will be announced soon which is really exciting and everyone can read the story and it was just it was fascinating stuff are you gonna say like who else was on the zoom are you allowed yeah the judges panel is that was public information when everything was um announced so first the whole panel was chaired by tayari jones who wrote american marriage and american marriage massively popular julia quinn was on the panel bridgerton oh yan martel life of pie Carly Fortune Oh man did she say anything about Meghan Markle?

10:27She didn't say anything about Meghan Markle actually And whatever happened to that story I know this happens a lot with books where like things get optioned But I thought like Meghan Markle doing that was kind of a good idea It's probably still in ideation She bought the rights to Carly Fortune The big one Summer on the lake They're all called Lake House Summer Lakey Summer Leaky Lakey um who else was there uh emma roberts major in the book world um a couple of book fluencers like myself a couple influential voices in the literary space like yourself yeah it was really cool i'm really excited for people to read the winning submission go jackie go jackie go go jackie go jackie go hey so that's what i was up to yesterday just judging a literary contest just being judgmental wbu what about you oh yeah i was taking my son on a plane i mean fugo's hollywood there's nothing better i did feel like so spoiled i had so much access to brian and like i really feel like i hacked like travel hacked the whole thing shout out to american airlines for being extremely baby friendly and it's just so funny how like people i guess it could go either way but my experience was like people when you have a baby are just so nice to you right they like let you in and i guess some people aren't but like for the most part except like of course it wasn't without it's drama when we got through tsa they had to like test my breast milk like stop it seriously they opened up my cooler and i'm like are you gonna touch it she was like no we just have to like put this paper and she like it's dripping it was so stupid um so then we had to like resettle put our shoes back on and we go to the lounge and i'm in the elevator to the lounge i'm like ben do you have my purse and he was like no it's like i was pushing ruby you take everything else it's giving tommy fury i ran I ran, if you saw me sprinting for my fucking life in JFK Airport Terminal 8 yesterday.

12:20No, you didn't. What kind of purse was it? I ran a big Chanel one. It literally said, rob me, Chanel. And my wallet sticking right out at the top. It was filled to the brim. And my wallet was right at the top. Also, Chanel. Seriously, I deserve what comes to me. I'm such an idiot. Let me say, the good people of JFK Airport, it was untouched. It had probably been a total of four or five minutes. It was left there alone on a bench. Oh, that's good. In a point of pride, like in a big. But that area is like highly secure, actually, for other reasons, not because of your purse. Like they have a lot of cameras.

12:52If your bag did go missing. Yeah. Probably track it down. Yeah. And the airport is sort of like the self-contained thing. You can't like rob me and leave. Yeah. Well, you could. I guess. And then miss your flight. Came in to rob. All for what? A Chanel bag that could be fake. It's not. But you don't know that. Yeah. Hmm. I hope people have better things to do. and want to get to where they're going. How are the stories today? Good. Lots to like just little bits and bobs to update. Bits and bobs? Bits and bobs. Like nothing groundbreaking. Actually, there is groundbreaking news, which is that it looks like peace in the Middle East is on the horizon.

13:31You know what? That is news that breaks ground. I would call that groundbreaking, and that did happen yesterday. I know. I do feel like over the course of the war, There have been like a couple of iterations of things. And like I will be like celebrating when it happens. I'm just like a little skeptical only because I have like trauma. Agreed. This seems to be the big one. I know. I know. They say all 48 are coming home. Well, not all because some of the bodies that they kidnapped, they probably can't find. But living hostages, they're estimating around 20 living hostages will be returned home this weekend or by Monday.

14:06So that's like amazing news. yeah it really is I'm just so like holding my breath I don't even want to talk about it yeah it's real but so it's just funny that I said there was no groundbreaking news when actually there was like major news yeah news that broke ground yeah in a major way um so praying cautiously optimistic uh yeah anything else before we I don't have my clock today you know I'm not in my usual situation so like I don't know are we dallying are we dillying you know I feel like we are doing an appropriate amount of dilling and dilling, especially considering like this sort of foundation on which the toast is built has shifted a bit.

14:46You know, different place, different time. Like for me, I'm podcasting at noon. Like I feel like taking a nap. Oh, my God. Let me just say I know half the people who listen are like, bitch, this episode's never coming out. I've never podcasted so early in my life, you guys. I'm fighting for my life over here. Oh, my God. I've never podcasted so late. It's not ideal. I'm like, time to take my makeup off. Yeah, that's like just the one issue with Turney Wood Week. or week I don't even know how long it's going to be I don't even have a return flight um that's the one issue is that like I'm podcasting so early and the episodes are coming out so late yeah I had the time to like make a beautiful breakfast this morning tomorrow I'm actually going on an adventure before the toast I don't know if that's gonna like help I'll have had it like a whole day you're going on an adventure yeah I am where to um I'll tell you about it tomorrow after I've had an adventure and then I'll be able to share and then maybe like that would be great right it would be good for the podcast to like live before to live before perhaps maybe we'll see just switching it up okay so oh i'm sorry ben is gonna kill me i have someone to share you guys well maybe as punishment for the purse yes as you guys know spritz society is nominated yet again for USA Best Can Cocktail.

16:04And we have now won it, I think, like three years in a row. And it's kind of annoying because now we like have to win every year because it's like what we're in our flop era. So we've won it three years in a row. And so I'm sorry, you guys have to vote. Voting ends Monday the 13th at midnight. You can vote at least once, no, most once a day. The link to vote is in the Instagram bio of the Spritz Society, Instagram at Spritz. It's also in the description of today's episode. Please just help us kind of keep our reputation. I would be embarrassed at this point. you don't have to win everything you're nominated for but my god three years in a row like we kind of have a lot to lose now i almost wish we never won it's a lot of pressure it is that's why we choose not to win awards here at the toast you know exactly it's too stressful it's just better this way but please vote for us vote for l vote for l uh without further ado to do it is time for the fast five stories that you do need to know you don't oh shit sorry not me getting distracted it on my phone i'm so la like okay oh i'm so i'm so fucked right now just start i don't have my clock up so just start over she's just like angelian she's living up to the stereotype of being a slob of working hard okay start again say it again okay without further ado to do to do here are the fast five stories that you need to know and the fast five stories that you need to know are brought to you by smart mouth and i forgot to tell you guys this story ben's been taking these like herbs because he takes these herbs when he thinks he's getting sick.

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22:32Okay, that's like such a fair reason. However, like I'm at the Dear Media studio, so neither of us are. This is a nameless. How is anybody going to know what show this is if you take your mic flag off? Like I'll just have to hold the iPad up the whole time. Oh, wait, here, wait. You know what I'll do? I'll do this. Love. It's a nameless, faceless podcast. Okay. I just, I needed to do it for my health and I hope that you understand and I know that you do. I do. I do understand and I know that you needed to do it for your health. However, I just can't help but like take it personal because you know how much a microphone is.

23:01I know. That's why I came clean. I didn't want you to have to find out on your own and feel like I betrayed you because people would like saw me do it and they would have commented. Jackie, if you never said anything, I would not have noticed. But people would have been like, why did Jackie take off her microphone? And then I would have felt like I was keeping something from you. And Jackie took off her microphone because she's a self-hating toaster. Exactly. I hate our branding. And our success. I can't even say that with a straight face. We're so cute. Nobody cuter. our first story lured swift making more news with her talk show appearances last night she was on late night with seth meyers recounting tales from the arrows tour uh by the way best she's looked in years yes she looks partialish and also i feel like she looks parcelish parcelish um and she has a new foch yeah let's talk about taylor swift's new face and i feel like it's Everyone's talking about it.

23:53It's crazy that for the last five days, she's really gotten away, like, kind of under the radar. Her first appearance on Graham Norton, like, I know people, like, said stuff, but I just thought maybe she, like, looked different one time. But it's very clear that she's had, like, work done, and that's also why she was hiding at the NFL games. Like, it wasn't about the stalker. You and I obviously operate on two completely different corners of the internet, because, like, where I'm lurking, everyone's talking about her new face. Oh, I've seen, like, a couple things, but it's not overwhelming what I've seen.

24:18And I feel like everyone's being really kind, and I actually feel like an asshole, like, bringing it up, but like it's very clear. No. No, it's so obvious and love that for her. Like I'm saying this all in an overwhelmingly positive way because her face looks sick. She looks so good. And I do think it was the Apple Music interview that like really spotlighted it. Yes, the Zayn Lowe. And I think she thought she could get away because she's like on Zoom and it's like not the best lighting and it's not like a perfect camera. It's a computer. She looked more different than ever. And I don't know why she would schedule like this doctor's appointment so close to the release.

24:48Yeah. Because it's so obvious. And by the way, You were on the fucking money about her lipstick, like trying to throw us off. We can't be deterred. No, we can't be deterred. And I feel like people like Graham Norton for me, like sometimes you could look a little different. And that was OK with me. Like I wasn't especially you're traveling like cross continental. You get a little puffy like you could you look different when you travel. But as the face continues to settle, I'm like, oh, it is a new one. And let me tell you, like when we get to the final resting place of the face, which I do not believe we've gotten there yet because she literally looks different every day.

25:19I feel like it's going to be so good because she looked gorgeous on the Zane Lowe one like obviously I don't know what was done I don't think it was like a full blown facelift but like they are snatching it back I've seen people say bleph upper bleph bleph yes that's what Shannon did the upper bleph uh fox eye yeah but fox eye was like a trendy um like uh plastic surgery trend that I feel like it's not popular right now it's definitely in the eyes and the cheeks do you think she went to Steve Levine I don't I don't think so because she didn't need a facelift and she didn't get a facelift and did she do this after the engagement and after New Heights or before after that's what I'm saying the timing is just like poorly planned and Taylor has said famously in her documentary like her whole life is planned two years in advance like she can't even think about like personal milestones she already knows that in two years she's gonna be on tour or writing an album and so for them to have like miscalculated the doctor's appointment it's just like so not taylor she's slipping she was off from eras till august she was just like low-key making she has had so much time yeah oh and also speaking of taylor not to like jump but we need to talk about kelly teller lizwood's pointing something pointed something out like so sinister that's going on i mean we have been on to i think a lot of people now like all the swifties can agree like they're definitely not friends there are definitely some people who are still in denial but when we first started saying it people were like no no they were just busy no fucking way there is so something going on between these two and somebody just unearthed liz woods she posted on her instagram that um an instagram post from kelly teller from like before the album came out it has this long caption i think it's about her anniversary with miles or something and there are two to low us lyrics in there dancing through the lightning strike and knock on wood which knock on wood is a common phrase so like I could give the benefit of the doubt dancing through the lightning strike so that's crazy and by that time the friendship was already in question like because I could see a world where like she did that and that's like and they were still friends and it's like wait you're kind of spoiling my album Kelly posted nothing about the album nothing about Taylor's engagement like they were so buddy buddy like probably like and I was obsessed but like a really fast burning friendship yeah and you go from that to not even posting about the album number one in the roster golden globe state at every game globes golden globe state yeah global state what do you say goalsy golden globes eight golden globes eight yeah golden globes i mean it was golden globes golden globes unless we weren't dating anymore i'd post about your album and your engagement I know.

28:04And the lyrics are actually really, that's very, like, ooh to me. And then people, like, she launched a clothing line on Tiloas Day. Day of 10-3. Also not something that, like, you do with a friend, if that's your best friend. If you have two launches, I need to know what happened between those two. Not like I can't shop and listen at the same time. I actually can. I actually prefer. But that's, like, a pop culture thing. I'm sure we'll never find out what happened, but like that is something I would really love to know. Yeah. No, it's definitely like becoming more and more clear that the friendship is over.

28:40Yeah. And anybody saying no is in denial. Like they both like have full lives. Okay. They had full lives during Golden Golden State. Right. They had full lives. Travis and, oh, sorry. Oh, I was going to get to the point of the story, which was like some of the anecdotes that Taylor was sharing on lately. Oh, right, right, right. Let's not just talk about her looks, Claudia. Sorry, she looked so sick. That corset snatching up that waist. Like, oh my God, she looked insane. She just looked like a gazelle. Like, so tall and lean and feminine and just sick. She looked so gorgeous. I'm sorry, I'm a toxic woman.

29:16I thought she looked pretty, sorry. Yeah, no, but we were also talking about her facelift. She shared some funny stories about the Eros tour, about Travi, one that I really enjoyed about Greta Gerwig or not Greta Gerwig, to Greta or not to Greta. Netta Nurwig. Feta Furwig. I'm just loving this era of like Taylor sharing, like even just like little things. The fact that like Travis would go to a show and then like their post-show ritual was like them kiki-ing and gossiping about like what went down in the VIP tent. Like just those little nuggets are so important to me as like a woman. And there used to be time when she was with that miserable wench where like everything was private.

29:53Like they couldn't even take a picture together. And now we've just flipped. So the opposite, there's a weekly podcast coming out every week from Travis and also his sister-in-law, like where they just talk about her. Like, thank you. Like, this is literally, I'm a Taylor Swift fan, but I'm also like a nosy little bitch. And so I'm just so, I'm so much happier now than I was back then. Yeah. Do you want to talk about Kylie's podcast? I do. And listen to the clip. And how it made you feel. I'm sorry, nobody can convince me Kylie Kelsey doesn't fucking hate Taylor Swift. I'm sorry, the way she talks about Taylor is just never, for me, seems genuine.

30:26and even with she like had to talk about the new album she talked about it like couched in her girls which I get like is like I'm sure the girls love Taylor but like she was like and speaking of the girls let's talk about the life of a showgirl okay I don't know I'm sorry I'm one thing about me I'm not buying it no every time she talks about Taylor like I'm like I just wish you didn't because I wasn't even I wasn't even wondering what does Kylie think of life of a show me neither and I wonder I'm sure there were people who would be like why wouldn't she talk about it but at this point like I just feel like the way that Kylie is it's like if she never talked about Taylor I would just respect that like that's just because she doesn't want to like talk about her and I I would actually the mystery would make me feel like they're actually good closer but then when she goes and talks about her it's just like it's never enough no and it just never feels like warm and fuzzy yeah yeah but I think also we don't know Kylie because we don't listen to her podcast and I do think that's very much like her Philly personality that's sort of like this hard ass and that's how she talks to her husband whatever and like so maybe we're just like don't get her but all I'm saying is every time I hear a clip I'm like she fucking hates this bitch like yeah and I'm like she shouldn't have said anything because then I wouldn't have heard a clip exactly and I didn't need the not talking about Travis and Taylor's engagement like was weird because it's about Travis right and Travis is her family yeah I agree album I didn't need like a recap on when I think of Taylor's new album I'm not like I there wasn't a song about Kylie on it like there's not a lyric about Kylie I don't actually need Kylie's take so I didn't I wasn't looking for that in an episode yeah and she did engage with what people have been saying about like the song wishlist is literally like Kylie's life which is so cute but it just like it's it it didn't come off as cute it's funny when I heard wishlist I didn't think of that that's kylie's life but she has like a whole block looking like yeah yeah actually they look more like her but yeah yeah so there you her name was turdy made her money being purdy and wordy somebody dm that to me yesterday and i'm obsessed i might actually make it my new instagram bio oh that's cute yeah do you think the lyric is like famous enough yet uh no right like in a year will people know what what's your bio right now like what are we letting go of the life of a turd girl no i'm kidding it is oh it's gotta go what is it the name's turdy turdy lou okay okay james bond why is nobody talking about how losery my instagram bio is like i need more people to be like making fun of me for that should we change it right now yeah sure to that or anything do you have you're like good with words i mean my instagram bio couldn't be stupider why the ceo of turdy lou global i love it ceo of turdy lou global when people like email me like cold email me they're like hi jacqueline we love what you're doing at turdy lou global i'm like well when ai like scrapes the internet for information about you if you ever like ask chat like what is jackie ashley's job they would say

33:38her name was cherny made her money being i'm gonna do it and see like how it feels being purdy and wordy his name was bruno made his money being cruno and luno okay her name was jackie made her money being wacky and tacky oh i love it wait but that's funny like you're obviously not tacky like i know um let me see how it looks like not a nice word you know oh i i just want to say like i fucking hate this i'll fix it later didn't she say that in um actually romantic they called her tacky or something oh yeah stop talking dirty to me yeah yeah okay uh next story you think i don't even know if we finish this Oh yeah.

34:34So she told all these stories.

34:38I watched one story and I enjoyed the one, but I didn't want to hear about the Burmese Python, but she's just like a great storyteller. Like Seth Meyers was there. So if Myers was there, she was telling stories. I liked the Greta Gerwig story. I sat through it and I enjoyed it, but I didn't listen to further stories. I also find it like surprising that she's not going on Jimmy Kimmel just to like make a statement. It's almost like a glaring omission. I was thinking that too. Cause she's. No, her choice to go on Fallon is actually safe. Like they're such good friends. They have that connection.

35:10Like his mother loved that song. That wasn't the red flag against Kimmel, but now you're making the rounds. But now she's doing like, and also like the, like this tier two shows. Like I do think in general, it's a good decision for her to not go on Kimmel because. It's polarizing. It is in this moment. And he has like less viewers now than he did before everything happened. And I just like, I think she would want no part of it. Like this is meant to be about the album. And then it would become about that. Right. Like, and I think that she's wise to just stay away from it because it's not like she has to do it or anything like that.