Does Djerf Have The Cream?: Tuesday, April 7th, 2026

9:45Jackie Oshry:I think it's just actually a testament to how poorly New York City is run, because I absolutely should have been told it was civilly disobedient. Budget cuts. Yeah, it was bad for pedestrians. It was bad for everything. Wait, I have to tell you about what's going on on TikTok. There's really, like, actually crazy drama.

9:59Claudia Oshry:Is it about the person who's trying to cancel Sally over my dead body?

10:04Jackie Oshry:No. It's worse, actually. It's really bad.

10:06Claudia Oshry:What? So you know Noah Beck, right? Yes. Oh, his sister?

10:11Jackie Oshry:Yeah.

10:12Claudia Oshry:Wait, tell me the story. I saw a headline, but I was just like, I felt uncomfortable.

10:15Jackie Oshry:I've been seeing headlines like circulating. And then this morning, I always put my TikTok, like I have my Octobuddy like stuck to the mirror and I scroll TikTok. It's how I like actually do research before the show. Today I learned about the astronauts going to space. Did you see they named that bright spot on the moon after that guy's husband, wife, Carol? I want to call myself. Looks so cute. So I learned about things and then I come and bring them up on the toes. So I got stuck in like a Haley Beck algorithm today. And you guys, it's really fucking mad.

10:40Claudia Oshry:So what did she do?

10:42Jackie Oshry:So literally she was just arrested. Her house was searched because she was having an inappropriate relationship with a student.

10:47Claudia Oshry:Right. That's what it was.

10:48Jackie Oshry:And so she's a teacher in I think Arizona where they're from.

10:52Claudia Oshry:How old is she?

10:54Jackie Oshry:That's a really good question.

10:57Claudia Oshry:And then like how old is the student? Like not to like just to set the scene. She's 27. Okay.

11:10Jackie Oshry:so actually she's a part of a the student was 18 so like 10 years younger than her two high school teachers um were accused of sexual misconduct with the same student and one of them was hailey beck sister of famed tiktoker and baywatch star all roads lead back

11:27Claudia Oshry:to baywatch noah beck that's really crazy so what's crazy is that there was this girl on

11:32Jackie Oshry:tick tock so literally as i'm blowing out my hair this morning she's reading the text messages because all every all this is coming out the deposition and first of all the text messages are insane like they she's like fully admitting to having like a full sexual relationship with this child and it's actually crazy because if you read the text messages the girl was saying it like this is so crazy because also like the student is low-key funny like in the text messages he is like not interested in her it's crazy she's like chasing down this child who wants nothing to do with her and every time she keeps writing these like long messages to him before bed and she's like even though you never say it back i love you oh my god it's like girl not you're like a pedophile who can't even get it like it's so insane the text a picture of her the text messages are insane so cringe so disgusting so sexual she's like a pedophile like she's also right she's also cringe and she's like like unsuccessful you know what i mean yeah i'm not really seen like photos of her oh really i've seen a thousand of her oh okay google hailey noah beck i feel bad for noah beck like everyone's like no are you gonna speak out like seriously leave him alone yeah imagine finding out your sister's a pedophile like that's insane that's really crazy i'm looking like she just and i believe that they're close she just looks like a regular girl she literally like looks like someone's sister yeah it's a crazy story oh my god i think that they are he goes home a lot like he's always making tiktoks with his family i think that they our clothes oh my god like please leave noah beck alone like i can't even imagine what he's going

13:03Claudia Oshry:through like this is so disgusting over 4 000 text messages and they're all her she's like i cried

13:10Jackie Oshry:myself to bed last night thinking of you and he was like you're weird can you pick me up from the airport please like he literally will write her like you are weird you are gross like i kind of obsessed with the student just based on his disposition in the text messages you're obsessed with him oh god sorry sorry sorry stop stop that's actually not funny i'm having like a toxic relationship with my fan today like when it comes on i'm too cold when i turn it off i'm so hot oh i'm sorry such is life you know um well yeah that's really crazy and like fucked up no it's so fucked up damn so that's what i learned on my morning scroll and i also learned about the astronauts who are currently orbiting like the closest to the moon anybody's ever gotten and it's like very it's like a big deal it's like very emotional yeah are they're landing on the moon is that the plan no i believe that they're orbiting it like taking pics of things that have never been seen like landmarks on the moon and they found this crater that like comes off as a bright spot when you look at the moon and because they're the first to have discovered it they're naming it after one of the astronauts deceased wife who died of cancer her name is

14:18Claudia Oshry:carol so it's called the carol they got to the moon pretty quickly don't you find it's just a

14:22Jackie Oshry:couple of days yeah what's the uh machine called artemis is that what it's called yeah yeah sounds like a homeware brand artemis art house and i'm yeah our house that's what i was thinking um i also am confused like who whose is this you know i think because i haven't heard i feel like it's giving nasa because i haven't really heard like elon or anyone else talking about it zuck

14:51Claudia Oshry:or who's the other one richard branson and i believe the hashtag for the journey is hashtag

14:58Jackie Oshry:nasa moon crew oh they're like obviously are having a branding issue and have decided to put their whole you know nasa c into this particular rocket ship okay slay i mean nasa is the og yeah like they kind of got eclipsed from you know branding and just so sure like slay yeah i also think you know always goes back to funding one of my favorite episodes of young sheldon is when young sheldon in like the 80s claims that he's figured out like how to go to space it's like a simple math equation that nasa hasn't figured out so he makes his dad drive him to like all the nasa headquarters he bangs outside the door and the guy's like i'll take a look and he gives him his composition notebook and you know like i never took a look and then they fast forward 20 years later when they do accomplish the feat of whatever it is like orbiting the moon which is sending a

15:44Claudia Oshry:rocket to space and then having it land land they used to just fall into the water and that was it

15:50Jackie Oshry:and break and it was like billions of dollars worth of equipment just in the garbage yeah right and i watched that documentary actually on netflix it's an amazing documentary about the first time elon sent a rocket to space that safely landed back yeah um but they had an episode of Sheldon where 20 years in the future actually Elon had stolen the composition notebook that Sheldon wrote and it was like he stole Sheldon's idea and Elon's actually in the episode it's very very funny it is it really is oh funny stuff young Sheldon that was a good time

16:22Claudia Oshry:the best our young Sheldon era

16:26Jackie Oshry:I love that show yeah I just love that show it's I could actually talk about it all day I watched

16:31Claudia Oshry:it when I was so pregnant with Charlie and I remember we were like living in New York and the couch that we were like living on was so uncomfortable and like it sort of like ruined the show for me i just remember like the feeling of like you know can't get of course of course i had to stop watching but maybe i'm ready now he's he's like two and a half maybe i'm ready

16:48Jackie Oshry:and you have to finish it because the ending of young chelden is like so insane okay but the

16:53Claudia Oshry:crazy part about young chelden no and don't tell me the crazy part is that he grows up to be like the most annoying person on big bang theory and what's so on big bang theory he grows up to the most annoying person on young Sheldon. Because I think they're developing him into the person that you see on Big Bang Theory.

17:06Jackie Oshry:Which is like this socially inept annoying person.

17:09Claudia Oshry:Like rude.

17:10Jackie Oshry:But the great thing is that I think that the showrunners like become very aware that Sheldon's character is really unlikable after like the third season. And they really build out they develop the other characters. His grandma, his dad. George and Mandy. Yeah you learn to love the other so much that Sheldon's barely in the show towards the end. Well it's cute

17:29Claudia Oshry:on a kid right? To be like

17:31Jackie Oshry:smart yeah it's the brand stark effect because then the actor goes through puberty and it's like

17:36Claudia Oshry:not cute or funny anymore but it's also like then you have like this teenager who's always like telling you stupid like yeah it's cute when a kid does it um let's get into the story shall we

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23:58Claudia Oshry:Our first story, new cover of Vogue, Meryl Streep and Anna Wintour cover Vogue together. Oh, wait, I didn't even see this. In honor of the Devil Wears Prada 2.

24:09Jackie Oshry:Oh, wait, that's like kind of huge.

24:11Claudia Oshry:It is kind of huge. Not only like are they honoring Devil Wears Prada, but Anna is on the cover. Has she ever been on the cover before?

24:18Jackie Oshry:Definitely not. Oh, wait, wow. Oh, and Meryl's on the cover like in character as Miranda. She's got the Miranda hair and everything.

24:25Claudia Oshry:Yeah, yeah. So ahead of the release, Meryl Streep and Anna Wintour posed together for a very special cover of Vogue, both dressed in Prada, Devil Wears Prada. The shoot was done by Annie Leibovitz. She photographed the pair while Greta Gerwig spoke with the duo for the interview.

24:43Jackie Oshry:Oh, she's not the director of Devil Wears Prada. She's just like a huge fan.

24:47Claudia Oshry:Yeah. And so like she wrote the interview, which I feel like is a good get. But they talked about the future of fashion, life in one 70s, because all three women, including Annie Leibovitz, are 76.

24:58Jackie Oshry:And then there's also like fab pictures of them in the back of a limo. Yeah. Oh, my God. This is like really iconic. I feel like I actually can't remember like a Vogue cover that I actually felt was like really culturally relevant and like shocking. This is shocking to you. Like this is really good.

25:15Claudia Oshry:Yeah. It's especially shocking because Anne is in it. I don't know why. Like if it was just Meryl Streep, like that would be like, okay, they're really, you know, going all in on the movie, which they already were. But the fact that it's the two of them, it's like in all the years that she's run Vogue, she like never really put herself on the cover and stuff. So like, that's cool.

25:32Jackie Oshry:And it's funny that like, I find Meryl more like, to me, she's the editor in chief of Vogue. Do you know what I mean? Even in the pictures. Anna than Anna. Yes. Yes. And it's probably because she plays this like outsized character. And she's an actress. like this is so fab fab fab fab i love this yeah have you been hearing about the book strangers

25:55Claudia Oshry:like everyone's talking about it did lauren elizabeth just post about it oh actually yes i think she did okay so that's the only thing i heard about it she said that everybody's reading

26:03Jackie Oshry:it but that she read it before everyone did yeah that must be frustrating everyone's reading it everyone's talking about it the book has now been optioned and gwyneth's gonna play the lady and i saw the lady was interviewed by oprah wait i'm gonna put it on my tbr one second it's about a divorce and I think it's like what happened to this woman I don't know what happened but

26:21Claudia Oshry:something strangers I wish I chose it for redheads maybe yeah the next person next next year can choose

26:26Jackie Oshry:it next year it's just called strangers no yeah yeah it's not it's not no it's not coming up let

26:35Claudia Oshry:me go to Lauren Elizabeth yes it is like who's all reading it everyone everyone who's anyone one I'm telling you it's called strangers it's called strangers great I'm glad we cleared that up fucking pain in the ass bitch like but it's not coming up on goodreads one second strangers a memoir of marriage okay want to read um sorry back to this cover I just want to say I

27:03Jackie Oshry:think this is so fabulous and we were talking about because when they presented um Annie Anne Hathaway and Anna Wintour at the what is it the Oscars we were saying that like this could you know there is a line where I think like you engage too much and it's like not funny anymore I do think this is a very like highbrow way of engaging and I think it's like very fun and it's extremely turdy approved yeah

27:27Claudia Oshry:they were also talking about how for the first movie they really couldn't get like any wardrobe or they had a hard time like dressing Miranda because no designers wanted to work with them because they didn't want to piss off

27:35Jackie Oshry:Anna they were afraid so it is like

27:36Claudia Oshry:a little a little losery to do such an about face like because the first movie was like you're saying on Anna's part yeah to go from like completely like shunning this movie blacklisting it like where they even invited to the Met Gala to then for the second one to not just like give it your stamp of approval but to be so involved she's probably in the movie by the way yeah of for sure to be I agree so involved because it was like amazing and cool and like you didn't have the foresight to like see that beforehand like it's just touch of loser yeah i also think that when

28:07Jackie Oshry:the movie was coming out she was probably in hell like you know that assistant it's based on a book right yeah so this former assistant of her like wrote this like tell all memoir fictionalized it's a nightmare and then the book gets optioned right and anne hathaway and meryl streep like i'm sure this was like a five-year-long nightmare for anna wintour and she obviously didn't realize that it would end up kind of becoming a legacy thing for her her not engaging with it i also think was better because it made us all believe that it was probably based in truth um and so yeah now I agree like it does have a losery element to it but I'm having fun of like bandwagon

28:41Claudia Oshry:like couldn't like see the success that it would be before it happened but I can also recognize like

28:46Jackie Oshry:as a human you know she's a human for a girl to go through a nightmare she's just like a woman you know she is this like icy figure no and they did make Miranda out to be like this monster but like

28:58Claudia Oshry:she's so iconic that it's like you have no choice but to respect her and i also think in the movie

29:04Jackie Oshry:okay i guess like when she turns on stanley chuchi like that was bad no and also you know

29:09Claudia Oshry:everyone's like it's disposable to her she can't remember anyone's name like that's well when you're

29:14Jackie Oshry:an icon like that like i don't think that you need to be remembering people's names until you

29:17Claudia Oshry:become memorable but in this day and age it's like the worst thing that you can be is toxic workplace look at matilda jurf wait you know what i was thinking about yesterday i'm so glad you

29:28Jackie Oshry:brought up matilda durf because when we talk about cancel culture we talk about how like everybody pretty much bounces back more often than not bigger right yeah but i was thinking because i ended up weirdly i sent you a picture i was on chrissy tegan's instagram and i do feel like she really has been successfully canceled like her instagram gets so little engagement i see her doing things like she would never have done in a prior life and we forget like the level that she was at before like she was you know safely with chris jenner right no i mean she was just tapped for everything like everything and she really like i want to say she has been successfully canceled and so has matilda jerf i forgot about her there was a moment like where every girl wanted to be matilda jerf you like if you're a millennial you might not have heard of her but she was like the big she was like becoming an alex earl type she's based in um the netherlands i think or sweden so she was still like coming to the states but if you look at her tiktok now she gets one view like literally one view yes i never was and the three comments are all about the toxic workplace allegations i never was a part of jerf mania so i can't like say that it was louder than

30:32Claudia Oshry:and quieter now i really don't know i just like i would see her from time to time and then like then she was like a horrible boss and i i don't really know what's happened now and if it's her

30:41Jackie Oshry:brand jerf avenue which like was becoming the biggest thing three likes like they really and the comments are just like all still about the toxic workplace it's just interesting how like I don't feel like having going through a scandal really ever affects someone negatively all in all it is unless like you killed someone it is just like a part of the journey but Matilda Jerf is a great example and then I was thinking about it last night Chrissy Teigen yeah but like Chrissy

31:12Claudia Oshry:Teigen just got a hosting gig on that show on Netflix star search yeah no she's not irrelevant wait I feel like for Chrissy Teigen and I don't know I can't say what happened to Matilda Jerf like because I have no idea. But I feel like for Tracy Keegan it was more so like it's not that the industry canceled her. Like she still gets opportunities. The people. It's the people. It's similar to like Balenciaga where it's like okay you can pretend like this is like still a popular brand but like nobody's buying it.

31:35Jackie Oshry:Yeah.

31:36Claudia Oshry:That's what I don't know and I don't know who her fans were before and if she cultivated the sort of audience that would be so aghast at the fact like if her whole thing was like kindness you know and then it turns out to be the biggest.

31:46Jackie Oshry:It was just like fluffy bangs and road lip peptides. Yeah.

31:51Claudia Oshry:So.

31:52Jackie Oshry:She has crazy bangs.

31:53Claudia Oshry:She has like the most iconic hair. Everybody loves her hair.

31:56Jackie Oshry:Her hair, her makeup, her clothes. Like she was like the dairy boy.

32:00Claudia Oshry:That's what I keep thinking of it as. So it's like if it turned out. I think it's a perfect.

32:04Jackie Oshry:Speaking of dairy boy. I heard a rumor. I texted you this last night. You know, there is a lot of drama in like the tennis wags circle between these two girls. Paige Lorenz and this other girl Morgan.

32:16Claudia Oshry:But the thing is it's like it's the absence of drama that makes it drama.

32:19Jackie Oshry:Yeah, because they're both, they look exactly like, they're like twin blonde girls who have the same exact Instagram, like tennis aesthetic, this whole tennis wag vibe. Like they both cultivated it. And they are not friends. Like they're not friends. So obviously there's drama.

32:31Claudia Oshry:And their mans are like both top ten. Their mans are friends. They're at all of the same tournaments because their mans are playing. There is drama. Of course there is. Because they are never once associated together. And they do the same thing. When I first saw. They go to the same tournaments. They take pictures in the same dresses at Wimbledon. They have the same sense of style. And it's all very pargy. Like not many people like operate on that level. So the fact that it's a unique aesthetic. Yeah. The fact that they don't ever post together when they're always in the same city and the same, you know, player hotel.

33:01Claudia Oshry:It's the absence that means the drama.

33:04Jackie Oshry:They fucking hate each other, like confirmed. But the streets are saying that Morgan and her man have broken up, which would leave Paige as the reigning queen of tennis, even though I feel like she won the battle like two years ago. like she is the essential tennis wag um but it looks like morgan's like out of the game because her and her man allegedly broke up even though her man is technically a better tennis player he's like ranked better than page's man but like it doesn't matter you know yeah page is also engaged yeah so that's a major win for a wag yeah um page also like does merch for indian wells with her

33:38Claudia Oshry:company like she's so like does she yeah like she did a dairy boy collab like when like she brings Dairy Boy everywhere and like makes it like a work event for her yeah so yeah she's very much ingrained in the world so yeah what does that mean but I feel like at this point like Morgz has become like a a tennis uh personality that like she will probably still go to like events and stuff

33:58Jackie Oshry:without her oh I don't agree I don't agree and I think that would be weird so you think she's never gonna go to a tennis match again unless she starts dating another player which I love that for her that would be drama that would be drama no so yeah just an update from the sorry it would be drama if if morgues and her man broke up yeah i think they did what makes you think that i saw on tiktok so but anyways matilda jirf would be like yeah page learns turned out to be like a

34:27Claudia Oshry:horrible boss but like that's why i'm surprised because it's like say that came out oh she's toxic workplace like okay like okay so don't work there like and i just want to say that call me crazy but like I don't give a fuck you know and like and I think Matilda Djerg like said this in her statement I just remember this being like the takeaway sort of like that's what it like sort of like to be like a very like tunnel vision intense personality operating at a high level like and not that she's Anna Wintour but like that's how you get shit done and I just want to say whatever

34:57Jackie Oshry:she did probably wasn't even that bad and like if it was like a boy no one would care so please

35:02Claudia Oshry:Yeah. So I don't know why she didn't bounce back. Because if I heard that about like Paige, I'd be like, okay.

35:09Jackie Oshry:No, Matilda Jerf was a successful cancellation. There's just a few people. Shout out to the comments. Who else do you feel like has been truly successfully canceled? Because for the most part, everyone bounces back. And in hindsight, you realize it was kind of like a good thing for your brand. You know? Unless you were accused of like rape or murder. Right. Right. I'm not talking about like things with like criminal allegations. I'm talking about, oh, I ran into her in the street once and she was mean. You know? yeah classic even that even that danielle bernstein they can't you cannot can't they cannot keep her down and i just want to say we didn't talk about it because it was over the holidays but she called off her engagement and i just want to say i love this arc for her where she's sort of like the evelyn hugo of the digital world i think that's actually a great niche for her and i need her to keep getting engaged and calling off her engagement wasn't this her first engagement yeah but she's like a serial monogamous girl like she's had like five or six really long-term relationships and it's always will they won't they will they won't they and then she did and now i just like i think she needs to get married and divorced you know i love i think this is actually great for her in terms of her image like bounce back well i was saying she needs to go and call her daddy she needs to go and call her daddy like because i

36:17Claudia Oshry:feel like nobody knows like what happened everyone's talking about it was like the biggest deal she's like doesn't do podcasting that much like there are so many rumors like both online and in New York everyone was talking about it she needs to go on I'm sorry she's deeply interesting yeah that would have been good I wonder why I wonder if like if it was even in the

36:39Jackie Oshry:anyone thought of it I get the sense that Danielle actually really does not want to talk about it just based on like following her and stuff I used to be really good friends there I barely know her so I'm just like saying this is like true culture commentary I just get the sense like her content she moved on real quick like she's not doing like quote cards you know right there hasn't been a single quote you can't keep her down and that's the thing like who's had more scandals than her nobody but she's deeply interesting and like and at the end of the day she also has really good style and like p like she does have like influence on like fashion and like what the girls on the internet are wearing and how they're decorating their homes so at the end of the day like cream rises cream rises but i thought jerf was cream i thought jerf was cream too like jerf had jerf had the guts.

37:26Claudia Oshry:I thought Jurf was cream. Jurf equals creamy. Title. Title. And you have to listen to this episode to understand what that meant. Because go walk up to someone in the street and say, I thought Jurf was cream. And they'll have you institutionalized.

37:42Jackie Oshry:The funny thing is like if before this conversation, you just said to me, I thought Jurf had the cream. Like, I think I would have been able to figure it out. There are context clues. I thought Jurf had the cream. but so did she not have the cream she did like she was like a very much like her brand was like a mix of like road and dairy boy yeah and like roller rabbit yeah and yeah

38:04Claudia Oshry:i guess it wasn't creamy enough loving meryl on the cover we took that really far yeah are you ready for our next story taylor frankie paul is leaving the mormon church reveals panic attacks amid Dakota Mortensen and Bachelorette scandal she posted saying the last 40 days have felt like hell on earth so Taylor Frank Paul is emerging online as though we know she was lurking she's now posting she posted probably a better first follow-up to like the last few weeks which was like a a montage of like her praying and crying and bible verses and like her spiritual journey that she's been on and how she's turned to God but she also did include how she's sort of like stepped away from the Mormon church at this time though.

38:51Jackie Oshry:She hasn't stepped away from like religion and God.

38:54Claudia Oshry:Yes. Yes. And then some people were theorizing that maybe she was kicked out of the church.

38:58Jackie Oshry:Yes, definitely. Um, they're like hella strict and this is not good. I think even like a lot of the Salt Lake city housewives, like we're on probation when they started, you know, acting like that on TV. Um, it does feel a bit like she's blaming Mormonism for like her poor decisions, which I don't love. I didn't get that. I did being like, Oh, I'm going to be better now. Cause I'm not Mormon. oh oh i didn't i didn't feel that way i've also just like lost a lot of my like patience care oh care yeah um because i do believe she's like a deeply wounded individual through circumstances that like were not her own like maybe she didn't make good decisions but like at the end of the day like she didn't protect her kids yeah and so i just i really want good for her but like I am like I'm sort of laying her to rest and like when you're healed and doing better like sure come find me but I really don't want to get on the roller coaster again you know she's kind of erratic not to use uh Kyle Richards words against her um yeah yeah it's just sad I mean we've all moved on to West Mandeville we really have like this is so old but like this was the craziest thing that ever happened and if i'm taylor frankie paul and i'm praying i'm also like thanking the lord for amanda betula's bad decisions right like how much longer would the salaam out thing we were still in the thick of it when scamandoval you know uh west mandible i can never say the fucking name right when because because the thing is i know like you have branded it west mandible but like the internet is calling it scamanda that doesn't work they can call it

40:35Claudia Oshry:Scamandle if they want. Scamandle. Scamandle. It's a scandal of Amanda. A Scamandle. But you can't call it Scamanda because that sounds like she's a fraudster.

40:47Jackie Oshry:Well, she kind of is. We were very much in the thick of it when this Scamandle all happened. So I think a lot of the other Mormon wives are annoyed that their light has been stolen. I think Jessie's definitely annoyed and she's bending over backwards with Marciano. now and then like also making did you see she like posted a video like yeah being like I'm making bad decisions this is hard I like sure whatever um I think a lot of the girls were like you know benefiting from the scandal but now it's Summer House's turn yeah I still can't believe

41:21Claudia Oshry:Amanda did that like I actually can't like I'm I I'll be curious to hear from her at the reunion because like right now she doesn't feel like a real person to me like someone who we've watched on tv like make a decent amount of sense everybody liked like she wasn't a crazy individual yeah ever like she seemed like somewhat like reasonable whatever yeah just a normal girl house like i'll be very curious to hear what she has to say because right now she just seems like such a caricature of a person that would do something like this like everything we've known about her

41:54Jackie Oshry:has been a lie right because she is this sort of like devious and now we're all looking back on things like maybe you are this hidden mean girl so it's like who are you even yeah and i'll just

42:05Claudia Oshry:wonder who she like shows up as and like like who she's how she's gonna talk about decisions have been so poor i know i was such a poor decision that's just dawning on me the fact that her and West released a joint statement yeah that is so crazy not only was the statement shite you couldn't

42:24Jackie Oshry:even write two of them and as far as I know they had had no prior communication with Sierra like she read the statement and that's why she broke down on the street she wasn't breaking down because it was the first time you know she heard about them as a couple seriously what sort of crazy

42:39Claudia Oshry:stupid lunatic puts out that statement before you've spoken to the person that you heard about it like how stupid do you have to be I I it's I'm in disbelief that's why I actually want to hear from her because I'm still holding space that a person is not that stupid not only that what kind

42:54Jackie Oshry:of person puts out like a joint statement literally burns their whole life to the ground friendships relationships uh reputation without knowing for sure that the guy is not seeing other people

43:04Claudia Oshry:no that's why like Claudia I'm telling you I'm there's a there's an element of unbelievability because it's so unbelievable and so I'm like waiting I'm not just like like because I I maybe I'm in denial but I just don't believe that someone could be so stupid short-sighted self-destructive and self-indulgent yeah I really just don't so I'm really that's

43:28Jackie Oshry:why I need the reunion I'm very curious what the numbers will be how many people watched the um Scandaval reunion. How many viewers did the Vanderpump Rules reunion have during the Scandaval scandal? Scandaval scandal. They did not know Scandaval. Scandaval. Because I think this will probably have more. I don't know. Scandaval was so big.

43:53Claudia Oshry:I don't think this will have more.

43:56Jackie Oshry:So the part one of the reunion, which was aired in 2023, had around 4.6 million viewers across all, you know, Peacock and everything. it became the most watched bravo episode of any show in over nine years the highest obviously in vanderpump history the season finale right before that had about 4.1 million viewers the reason why

44:15Claudia Oshry:i don't think it will have more viewers is one i think pump rules was a more popular show than summer house yes i think that even though people watch vanderpump rules in the beginning and maybe didn't watch the following seasons they still knew tom and the characters and then raquel is a random but like that there was a third person.

44:31Jackie Oshry:What's the most watched Bravo episode in history?

44:33Claudia Oshry:And if you even watch the beginning episodes of Summer House, you don't know who Sierra West and... Right. You may know Amanda, but like you have to really be watching the last two seasons to know who these people are. And you actually have to be watching to understand why it's a big deal that like Amanda is hooking up with like her friend's ex-boyfriend of six months.

44:54Jackie Oshry:So Scandaval Reunion is the most watched Bravo episode ever. and then before that Bravest Bigos episodes were typically the Real Housewives of Atlanta reunions especially during the Nene Leakes years. That's like a slay on Nene's part.

45:05Claudia Oshry:Yeah. Yeah. I'm sure like table flipping is in there. For sure. Even though nobody knew that was going to happen at the time like so it didn't get viewers live.

45:13Jackie Oshry:It probably has like a lot of like views on YouTube. Yeah.

45:16Claudia Oshry:It might be like their most viral moment. Yeah. Are you ready for our third story? Yeah. Chloe Fineman is Oh my God. facing backlash and Vanity Fair faces scrutiny over editing controversial Chloe Fineman video about her pantsing a six-year-old boy at summer camp. So Chloe Fineman and her SNL co-stars like did some video for Vanity Fair and she wound up telling a story about how she got fired from working at a summer camp.

45:48Jackie Oshry:What job has you ever been fired for? And she was like summer camp. Summer camp. What happened?

45:51Claudia Oshry:As a teenager she said that she had like pantsed one of the campers and the video that Vanity Fair put out she like tells the story and they cut out like a lot of the cast members reactions and details from the story some of the like really cringy details um and the edited version has now come to light now the edit the raw footage has come to light her cast members are like very much like shook by the story she's telling and the story is even worse for her in the way that she's telling it like about um so she says that like she got fired because she ended

46:23Jackie Oshry:up pantsing this boy who was six years old and when she pantsed him he didn't have any underwear on and a school bus drove by so like all these kids saw his penis and not only is that like just a disturbing story the more details she adds like talking how you know he wasn't wearing underwear so his little ding-a-ling was yeah just disgusting the way she's telling the story the fact that she's telling the story and then also that she had like a weird relationship with this camper because every time she would see him you know she would ask for a hug and he would lift her shirt up

46:48Claudia Oshry:he would like ask her for he would be like hey can I have a hug and then she'd go to hug him and he'd lift his shirt up so that's why she wound up pantsing him like the story like aside because you know also when you're a camp counselor like you're also like young and stupid like it could be explained away like the way she's telling it is so weird yeah and the fact that she's telling it and the the d and the fact that she doesn't like see now that maybe like that's not something that you should share and so then her cast members are like that's are you on some list like and they danny fair cut that out so not only did they cut out the story a little bit to make chloe look better by um taking out some of like the weird way she describes the incident and the jokiness but also if i were the cast members i'd be mad that they cut out our reaction because being shocked it looks like we're just like oh yeah pants a six-year-old that's our friend chloe yeah ding-a-ling so everyone's getting backlash for this i think rightfully so

47:39Jackie Oshry:chloe fineman is weird she's like a scientologist like she's weird this is just like totally

47:48Claudia Oshry:like i don't know what the word not funny not funny i hate the word like tone deaf but like

47:53Jackie Oshry:i know it's just weird when these things happen because like you know how many people were in the room at the time chloe's publicist you know always looking out for your talent the editors the social media managers so many people should like saw this before it went live and that one person was like you know this is a weird story let's just cut it you know yeah but the thing is

48:10Claudia Oshry:like someone thought something because they cut out some of it so they did realize that and either cut all of it or at least put all of it in so that like we can see that the other cast members like realize that this is a weird story to tell like why are you protecting her from like keeping out like the worst sound bites from the story it's not a good ultimately making the other people look bad yeah i would be pissed if i was like outraged at the story and then they cut that out and then i look like i'm just sitting there like oh yeah classic handsome kids no fucking weird yeah really weird um before we dive into the remainder of the show might i let you know that today's episode is brought to you by squarespace you should you may squarespace is

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54:42Claudia Oshry:Our next story, Hayley Bieber is using a new road launch alongside her husband Justin body rock ahead of his new I wanna see your body rock what you got a billion could have never

55:01Jackie Oshry:that's definitely Justin Bieber's best song

55:03Claudia Oshry:Beauty and the Beat 100 %

55:04Jackie Oshry:it's just unfortunate that he can never sing it because the Nicki Minaj part she just sort of like made it it's a time capsule for sure but she made it unplayable in the Bieber household that must be hard for Haley they should put out a remix and change it yeah I get like a new um like you could have Nikki come back and do a new verse or like a different rapper that Justin's friends with like something gotta keep an eye out for

55:26Claudia Oshry:Haley yeah that was definitely like but like Selena like that has been so core to who I am yeah I think that's why I say er with everything and it was definitely a feat in music like songwriting you know it's like oh selena doesn't rhyme but selena does i think that it definitely

55:45Jackie Oshry:changed the course of like history and she should be put in the songwriting hall of fame for just

55:50Claudia Oshry:that one thing it changed the course of my life sabrina taylor but i gotta keep an eye out for selena anyways i wanna feel your body rock haley and justin are launching like a bieber and you gotta keep an eye out for selena they're launching a collab the only collab for road seems to be pimple patches road x the beavers seems like a natural next step for a hailey skincare brand um no yeah oh okay i thought you're gonna disagree no i was gonna ask you a question

56:28Jackie Oshry:and justin is like known for leaving the house like paparazzi'd in his star pimple patches so

56:33Claudia Oshry:you know yeah i love it what are your thoughts on people leaving the house in pimple patches like

56:37Jackie Oshry:they're you know a lipstick so i think it was started in earnest like you know we shouldn't be afraid of our pimples and like it's annoying like if i have 12 hours to kill before an event and i want the pimple to go down and i'm like going out to lunch like yeah i do think like people have taken it really too far like showing up to business conferences with like a purple star

56:56Claudia Oshry:pimple patch on their face yeah or like work or i don't know like i think i'd rather stare at a pimple patch than like a big white pimple you think so it's never like a big white pimple and I don't notice, like, I just think it's a really crazy thing to do. Like, outside of, you know, running a quick errand or, like, going to the airport, that seems like a good place for a pimple patch. Like, I'm not loving the trend of just really normalizing them in everyday life. Or do, like, one of the clear ones and, like, sort of blend it into your skin. But, like, to just be like, hey, I have a zit, I think it's so crazy.

57:29Jackie Oshry:Yeah, I know what you're referencing because we did recently eat out at a restaurant and one of the staff members was wearing a pimple patch. And you know what? At least for me, like from a hygiene standpoint, like the pimple was covered, like I'm all good. But it is this sort of - You're so full of it.

57:45Claudia Oshry:You thought it was crazy too.

57:47Jackie Oshry:I think that, you know, when we look back, like how people used to get dressed up for the airport, right?

57:51Claudia Oshry:By the way, I'm the first one to say, don't dress up for the airport until they make flying a humane experience again. Agreed. You can wear your pajamas. but I think it does speak to the overall you know deterioration of how people look in public right

58:07Jackie Oshry:when you compare it to like people used to leave the house in like a petticoat of corset and a ball gown you know and now literally you're wearing a pimple patch on your face so yeah it's crazy so it's crazy I would say like it's a it's a trend in the wrong direction like I think it's cute like I think teenagers wear it to school like I think that's okay I think that that can be cute

58:25Claudia Oshry:because also like teenagers have an acne problem I'm not going to come out with a blanket statement

58:30Jackie Oshry:saying whether I think it's good or bad. You have to give me the circumstance and I'll tell you if it's appropriate.

58:33Claudia Oshry:Okay, but I'm not talking about teenagers, just so you know.

58:37Jackie Oshry:Yeah.

58:37Claudia Oshry:I think that's a cute way for like teenagers to deal with their hormonal acne.

58:41Jackie Oshry:And I think that Hailey Bieber now like entering the convo with Justin, like giving it the stamp of approval, like it's only going to get worse. So gird your loins.

58:47Claudia Oshry:I feel like some people are wearing them and they don't even have a bad pimple.

58:51Jackie Oshry:Absolutely. Not that there's nothing,

58:52Claudia Oshry:but people just will put them on anything just like because it's...

58:56Jackie Oshry:If they had pimple patches, like as a part of the trends when I was in high school and I had that mole on my face, like you bet your ass I was wearing a pimple patch to school every day.

59:02Claudia Oshry:Yeah. Yeah, not talking about like kids.

59:06Jackie Oshry:Who are just doing it for attention.

59:07Claudia Oshry:No, and like they are insecurities and I also like have more acne. Not that adults don't have acne, but like that's just part of -

59:13Jackie Oshry:The era where you have more people have more acne.

59:15Claudia Oshry:And you're also like more insecure because you're a kid.

59:17Jackie Oshry:Can we talk about the fact that we got RealAiActivese? We got PR.

59:20Claudia Oshry:Yes, I got RealAiActivese and the packaging is so, the bottles are just like so hardy. For anybody who doesn't know,

59:26Jackie Oshry:we got Alex Earl's skincare brand RealActives, But of course, because we are us, it's Reale Activese.

59:32Claudia Oshry:Have you used it yet? And I'm also a little confused. Like, am I OK to use it as a sensitive swirly that doesn't have an acne problem? I have other problems.

59:42Jackie Oshry:You are. I haven't used it yet because I currently have open products. I'm not opening more than one cleanser. You know what I mean?

59:48Claudia Oshry:I would maybe do that. I feel like the makeup bomb. I've never really used a makeup bomb. I want to try that. And I feel like that's just a regular makeup bomb. but like the other thing that has you know and everyone's with the shea butter and like it has the like the myapol at eight percent and everyone it's so funny how everyone knows like every detail of her ingredients like everybody's suddenly an esthetician yeah oh this at eight percent oh okay

1:00:12Jackie Oshry:yeah i will use it like the next time i need a new cleansing balm you know but i'm currently using a pack of neutrogena and that's just the phase that i'm at i don't want to hear it i'm at

1:00:19Claudia Oshry:a fucking disposable wipe phase period if that makes me like a forever millennial i don't care

1:00:25Jackie Oshry:what are you guys doing what washcloths abound so i for like three years switched to cotton pads and micellar water not for the environment because cotton pads are also now like just it's a disposable cotton pad but i felt like it was a more effective way of getting my skincare excuse me my makeup off and i do stand by like the garnier micellar water and a cotton pad like is the best way to get your makeup off especially if you wear like a waterproof mascara um but like it's two products you know a makeup pack of makeup wipes I buy you know a pack of five and

1:01:00Claudia Oshry:I'm set for a year the makeup wipes like they leave me want it for nothing wanting nothing yeah

1:01:06Jackie Oshry:I have no issue with them and I know I know they're bad like ingredient like I know but I

1:01:11Claudia Oshry:don't care I accidentally buy the fragrance ones and those stink purple uh no even blue some of them are fragrance purple is a different fragrance that's like a nighttime one they kind of like and I'm like walking around. I'm like, who's in my house? I'm like, oh, it's my face.

1:01:25Jackie Oshry:Yeah.

1:01:26Claudia Oshry:Who's this stunk in my house?

1:01:28Jackie Oshry:I like the purple. Oh, it's crazy. Sometimes I get like a little crazy. Yeah.

1:01:32Claudia Oshry:And what about the teal? Not the blue. You ever do the teal? No.

1:01:35Jackie Oshry:Oh, no. Never teal. Like, I just feel like they try. Speaking of like things, they tried to cancel. They tried to cancel. And I got on board. Like I switched for years. And I'm sorry. Like good is good.

1:01:47Claudia Oshry:Good is great. The first two days that I was in Dallas, I didn't have Neutrogena makeup wipes. and let me tell you when I finally got my hands on one yeah I could breathe like oh my god like trying to scrape off my makeup in the shower like a do you remember those makeup wipes that were circles that we used to use like in our camp days like they came in a circular tin they were also Neutrogena no I feel like they were I don't remember the brand but they were like allure best of beauty oh no no they were also Neutrogena but they were just for your eyes like but you did the whole thing I guess that was like when we were kids and we just wore eye makeup because we didn't

1:02:19Jackie Oshry:wear face makeup because we didn't have like pimples or anything like those were pretty good

1:02:23Claudia Oshry:yeah but now i'm sorry if it ain't broke yeah but i'll try cleansing balm for for mostly for sally

1:02:31Jackie Oshry:i've done a cleansing balm it's actually a very effective also way but like then you have to

1:02:34Claudia Oshry:splash water on your face and then like i'm wet my whole shirt's wet and then i have to stain my towel by like getting yeah right exactly and then i have like black dots and an orange towel and am i washing the towel every day i'm not using that again i guess like a good way to do

1:02:49Jackie Oshry:it is to like get in the shower after like oh yeah like do it right before you shower

1:02:54Claudia Oshry:walk into the shower with your eyes closed naked and afraid what are you guys doing neutrogena for life are you ready for our fifth and final story i am some tea from the 90s word on the street is that carolyn bassett had a feud with gwyneth Paltrow during her Calvin Klein years.

1:03:17Jackie Oshry:Wait, I'm obsessed.

1:03:19Claudia Oshry:So, reportedly, Carolyn Bessette was not a fan of Gwyneth Paltrow, who she encountered working for Calvin Klein. The author, Amy O'Dell, wrote in Gwyneth the biography, so this woman has written a biography about Gwyneth, saying one of the publicists on the brand's small team who helped Gwyneth at the fashion house was Carolyn Bessette. According to one person familiar with her thinking, Gwyneth irked her. When there were pictures of Gwyneth in the papers, Bessette, who viewed Gwyneth as, quote, Little Miss Perfect would make cutting remarks about her.

1:03:46Jackie Oshry:Oh my God. She was obsessed.

1:03:48Claudia Oshry:Well, I guess. Team did not respond to comment. At the time, like when it was 26, there was like an incident at the Calvin Klein show. Everyone else is like sitting in traffic, waiting in lines. And like, she was literally like helicoptered into the show and like walked to the front row. Sorry.

1:04:00Jackie Oshry:So jealous.

1:04:01Claudia Oshry:And it was not that even like she demanded it. She was also like pretty quiet and just like. Sorry.

1:04:07Jackie Oshry:All the Gwyneth Paltrow hate is so forced. Carolyn Bessette included. Like, sorry, you're jealous. Carolyn Gwyneth Paltrow like has always been that girl she was born that girl she evolved into that girl she is like you know sunsetting into retirement as that girl everyone's so fucking jealous of her even Carolyn Bessette like the girl you know who everyone wanted to be she wanted to

1:04:29Claudia Oshry:be Gwyneth yeah it makes sense also I feel like it's another situation like Paige and Morgz where it's like if they're not friends if they weren't friends at the time like then there was beef because they should have been friends they are really similar both really like iconic and classy and similar sense of style. So like if they, and if they were like always in the same orbit with like Gwyneth being a Calvin girl and they didn't like Kiki, that's because they hated each other.

1:04:52Jackie Oshry:Absolutely.

1:04:53Claudia Oshry:Yeah. Team Gwyneth. Oh, for sure.

1:04:56Jackie Oshry:For sure.

1:04:57Claudia Oshry:Yeah. I feel like the show has like not, I mean, ultimately it's probably been good for Karen on the set's legacy. So many people are talking about her and knowing her.

1:05:05Jackie Oshry:No, I think it's also been like enormous justice for her in the way that she died. But in terms of her, and like her style, like her being like so effortless but like if you looked at the if you watch the show with a keen eye like they made her come off annoying and rude but i also feel like now i feel like once when they

1:05:20Claudia Oshry:died and ever since then it's like no one ever said anything remotely negative about them like it was such a tragedy what happened to them they were such an iconic couple and like that's it period but now that like her personality is like coming back into the conversation like people are like saying like crazy things about her whether or not they're true and i just sort of feel like what was once like an untarnished legacy like no one spoke like now people are like saying stuff and i don't know that it's been necessarily good and that yeah that's also annoying because the

1:05:47Jackie Oshry:personality that they gave her like they just made up nobody really knows what she was like

1:05:51Claudia Oshry:she was enormously private yeah but even like people who are saying they knew what she was like and she's the you know do this and that like it's not good whereas before no one said anything bad

1:06:00Jackie Oshry:yeah i thought the show was ultimately bad for the legacy of john f kennedy jr like asshole killing those two girls. Yeah. Thinking he could fly a plane without a pilot. Like, who do you think you are? And he was a bad husband. And, like, I read rumors that he did cheat on her. I also read rumors that she continued her relationship with her ex-boyfriend, like, well into their marriage.

1:06:15Claudia Oshry:Right. But no one was saying that before this show, is what I'm saying. Of course.

1:06:19Jackie Oshry:Right. It's also kind of like Princess Diana.

1:06:21Claudia Oshry:Yeah.

1:06:22Jackie Oshry:Until The Crown, like, I feel like her legacy was untouchable. But The Crown, like, there's some weird stuff in there. And, like, people, like, whisper about it before, just, like, in terms of her, like. But you couldn't say it. You couldn't say it because, like, who would. Because it's tragedy. Tragedy left behind two young boys. Like period. Taking a deeper look at her personal life in the crowd. It was like, well, I don't think this person was necessarily like sound of mind.

1:06:46Claudia Oshry:Yeah. Well, those are stories. I want to say something. That you don't want to do tear toasters. Are you going to push it to tomorrow?

1:06:54Jackie Oshry:I do want to do tear toasters. We should do it tomorrow because like the episode's long and I want to get it up.

1:06:58Claudia Oshry:I'm always with you, but we have to do it today or else like. Obviously. Obviously. No, I would never. I would never. I would never. I would never. I would never. I would never. I would never. I would never. I would never.

1:07:04Jackie Oshry:Welcome to Dear Toasters, our usual weekly advice segment where Jackie and I try to help out our community. You know, you guys always show up for us streaming, getting us in the charts. We want to give back. You know, this is a philanthropic segment. We want to help out our girls in need. So if you ever wanted advice from us, write to us, deartosers.gmail.com or head to our website, thetoastpodcast.com, to get a little advice from us. Write in about relationships, work stuff, drama in your bachelorette group, you know, whatever. Ready?

1:07:26Claudia Oshry:Yep.

1:07:27Jackie Oshry:These are the ones I chose for last week, so I don't really remember them.

1:07:29Claudia Oshry:That's good, though. You'll have, like, you'll be surprised. That's always fun.

1:07:35Jackie Oshry:Oh, okay. This was weird. My sister, who's 31, mentioned to me that her husband, who's also 31, has been getting on her nerves. She mentions that he constantly hawks up a loogie in her house, to which I responded that's really gross, but it got worse. She said he'll spit it right after into the dirty clothes bin because, as he says, it'll all get washed after. Please, for the love of God, tell me that this is diabolical and grounds for divorce. Thanks. Love you. Bye.

1:07:56Claudia Oshry:That's diabolical. Now, here's the thing. I guess he's not wrong.

1:08:01Jackie Oshry:All in all, it's not unhygienic. hygienic it's just so fucking weird fucking crazy it's kind of like I guess like like putting a dirty diaper in like the kitchen garbage like it's gonna get taken out later no this is different who thinks like that like I'm actually I just think that's actually a crazy way for someone's brain to work yeah there's so I don't have a problem with the act I guess no but no I do

1:08:24Claudia Oshry:there are so many places you could spit it's like disrespectful to like spit on your things when there's plenty and like the dirty clothes bin is like in the corner of the room in the bathroom like first of all if you're in the bathroom spit in the sink spit in the toilet sink toilet shower so i feel like he's going out of his way because if you're in the kitchen where is he spitting like spit in the sink spit in the trash why what you're walking like are you then

1:08:43Jackie Oshry:gonna go like spit if you're in your you know you have to hock a loogie and you're putting the kid to bed you're putting it in your kid's hamper like they have like a literal diaper pair right next to it um i've i like i have so many questions as to how we got i just feel like all in all it's

1:08:56Claudia Oshry:a personality flaw because i feel like he's doing it for attention like hey look at me and yeah it all goes so what put all your meal in a blender it all goes to the same place right put in a feeding tube while you're at it like i just think he's trying to be cool and like irreverent and it's

1:09:12Jackie Oshry:really nasty yeah not to make this a bigger deal than it is but he sounds just like an awful person yeah and you might want to check that and there's actually something a little queer about no i'm Jesus Spader.

1:09:53Jackie Oshry:To help him. And I find out that he's very much not having a seizure. He's on his phone watching adult content on mute. And he was just, and let's just say he was very close to crossing the finish line of a solo activity he absolutely thought I was asleep for. He jumps up and looks completely shocked. He screams. I screamed. And then we both just roll over and go back to sleep. No words. Nothing at all. The issue is it's been days we have not acknowledged it at all. Not even a joke. It's like it never happened except I think about it constantly and I can't stop laughing to myself. Do I bring it up?

1:10:25Jackie Oshry:Do I pretend it never happened? Please help. Sincerely, a woman who thought she was saving her husband's life.

1:10:30Claudia Oshry:Bring it up because you can't stop thinking about it. And, like, that's your husband. You should be able to talk to him about whatever. And it's, like, just bring it up and have a laugh and move on.

1:10:39Jackie Oshry:Yeah. Not to make, like, obviously a bigger deal out of it. Like, it's probable that he, like, just couldn't sleep.

1:10:44Claudia Oshry:And, like, maybe it was gay porn.

1:10:47Jackie Oshry:No, no. That's not what I was going to say. But good question. What type of porn was it? Like, was he watching in secret? Was he watching in secret because it was like bad porn?

1:10:56Claudia Oshry:No, but he wasn't watching in secret. He was watching right next to you.

1:10:59Jackie Oshry:Was it ethically sourced? He was watching right next to you. No, of course. What I was going to say was though, like was he hiding to see if like a porn problem? That's like the only thing where this could be bad. Other than that, if he just like needed to go to sleep and couldn't fall asleep and just needed to blow off some steam, like fine, I think a lot of people do that. But I need to know if this is like a porn problem. But I guess if it was a real porn problem, he wouldn't be doing it right next to you.

1:11:21Claudia Oshry:And I think you can just like talk to him. Bring it up. Not talking about it makes it weird. Right, of course. You could just be like, by the way, I legit thought you were having a seizure the other night. Like that was just so crazy. LOL.

1:11:32Jackie Oshry:Just being like, wait, I totally forgot until right now, like that crazy thing that happened. You screaming at him, screaming, does remind me of the time that Ben walked in on me on the toilet in the pitch black. And like it was in the middle of the night and I screamed at the top of my lungs. And then he screamed. And it happened twice. One time when I was pregnant and I really hurt my knee because I fell. I was like, I literally was like, it took my breath away. I collapsed.

1:11:52Claudia Oshry:You guys should get like little lights, you know.

1:11:55Jackie Oshry:We did actually in the other apartment where the first one happened, but I just didn't put it on. How is our new bathroom laid out? There's a window actually in the new bathroom and it's very bright. So he wouldn't be able to scare me.

1:12:06Claudia Oshry:Okay, that's good. You guys like can't be trusted to live together. It's so true.

1:12:13Jackie Oshry:So to the girl, like definitely bring it up because you have like a weird secret in your marriage. And like the secret is what makes it weird. The situation is just funny. It is. Hey, girlies. Am I overreacting? I went out to dinner the other night with a girl, so my husband was in charge of doing baby evening and bedtime routine. Feeding dinner, which is basically a bottle, bath, bed. I'm pretty particular about the schedule and routine, so I typically do bedtime on a normal night, so my husband honestly doesn't do it that much, which I'm fine with because I like doing the cuddles. That being said, my baby is sleep trained, and she goes to sleep on her own pretty easily these days.

1:12:43Jackie Oshry:While I was out to dinner, I saw on the monitor that she was having more issues than normal. I thought it was nothing until she woke up crying again at 3 a.m., which she really doesn't do that much anymore. When I went in to check on her, I picked her up and she was soaking wet. I immediately realized that my husband did not put a diaper on her and she was soiling herself at night. Luckily it was just pee, but I was furious.

1:13:01Claudia Oshry:Can you put any diaper on?

1:13:03Jackie Oshry:How could you be so stupid? Am I overreacting? Was this just overlooked after bath time and the mistake on his part? Or am I valid in thinking he's absolutely ridiculous and he obviously needs to do more on his end with the baby?

1:13:13Claudia Oshry:Oh my God.

1:13:15Jackie Oshry:So sometimes you do just like forget to do something. Like so obvious. I feel like it's never like the diaper. but it's like oh he moisturizes legs you know like things like you just completely forget about the diaper is sort of like an essential it's a non-negotiable for a baby if you didn't do the sleep sack yeah yeah sometimes you're like oh my god i forgot to put the sleepers yeah yeah or like

1:13:35Claudia Oshry:i thought you were gonna say he didn't change like he gave the baby a bottle and then didn't change the baby once more so like the diaper was just super wet forgivable not putting on a diaper on a baby is crazy but like i what i will also like no underwear so like the baby just had like went commando in a onesie like did he not think that was weird baby but you're saying baby and sleep train so it's giving like it's giving like a year yeah under a year um so yeah that's really crazy because but what i will say is like when you go out things aren't going to be done your way and like as long as like when you get home like you can't like so the baby woke up at three and that's when you discovered it so you got to go out and you know jackie oh my god no i'm sorry the bar is in hell i understand like her being particular that's what i said what i was gonna say the diaper the fact that there's not a diaper on a baby is the craziest thing i ever heard but like in general like yeah of course it's not gonna be it might be 20 minutes later 20 minutes early yeah of course i'm sorry this is not that you know maybe you you expect the baby to fall asleep on their own maybe he's rocking the baby you know things aren't gonna happen the way that you want them to happen.

1:14:42Claudia Oshry:Of course. But like people will get it done. And then when you're home, you can.

1:14:46Jackie Oshry:No, this is negligent. But this is insane. This man does not spend enough time with his baby.

1:14:50Claudia Oshry:That's really insane. A diaper on a baby. That's kind of like the only thing.

1:14:55Jackie Oshry:I can't imagine a person who has spent five minutes with a baby, getting him changed or her change, and putting the baby naked into a onesie like feels normal. Like that's insane. That's so weird. It's a real lack of experience.

1:15:09Claudia Oshry:Yeah.

1:15:10Jackie Oshry:You know what it sounds like? sounds like you got to start going out more like he needs some more solo training

1:15:16Claudia Oshry:yeah i guess it's like if he can just remember the diaper like everything else is okay you know no because i'm trying to think if there's anything else aside from like feeding the child anything else that like literally you have to do like you don't have to do the sleep sack

1:15:35Jackie Oshry:right no the food and the diaper is essential yeah i guess they forgot in a he's not an essential worker they have to be wearing pajamas but if they were wearing a sleep sack and no pajamas that would be weird but like they could not not crazy i wouldn't i wouldn't be worried about the state of your husband if you put sometimes when like it's warm outside i'll like put ruby in just an undershirt i would say the lights have to be off yeah see look at look at what we're saying now like the bar has been lowered so sufficiently that we're worried about him turning actually the other night so in ruby's room when you walk in there's like a hallway and then the room okay and there's two light switches one for the room and one for the hallway and i turned i put ruby down like sometimes you forget to put the sound machine on that's like that's something that's not as important as the lights so i put ruby down um i put the i turned the light off in his room and he took like 20 minutes to fall asleep.

1:16:30Jackie Oshry:I'm like, and he was so tired. I'm like, I wonder why. Like maybe he was having like, you know, belly issues or whatever. And then like 10 minutes later, I realized I forgot the bottle. So I went back into the room to grab the bottle so I could wash it. He was fully asleep. And I realized I left the whole light on. And I was like, it was like something so, I was like, ah, but not an essential. But it was like, it was basically like having a big nightlight on.

1:16:49Claudia Oshry:Yeah, not an essential. But so I would say diapers, there are only a couple things that are super essential. So you need to go out.

1:16:57Jackie Oshry:more you need to reiterate to him for sleep yeah yeah that's really messed up this is bad you need

1:17:03Claudia Oshry:to make him feel sufficiently bad about it for sure yeah you're not and you're also not overreacting

1:17:07Jackie Oshry:and i get that you're like a control freak but like at a certain stage like when a baby's he can can and should be left alone with his father yeah yeah because we skipped last week and i do have like one remaining quick little funny one that's obviously that's about us it's about us hey swirly's recently my husband's getting really sorry hey swirly's recently my husband has been getting more into my interest to show that he cares and he has started becoming obsessed with the toast he now listens on his own and is using words like pargy and he calls me a swirly at first i adored it such queenie behavior i thought but it's become an ick now and i even hear him saying it with his guy friends is my husband don't make you say it gay so i know that we do have some

1:17:48Claudia Oshry:some few straight male listeners but straight male listeners who didn't come here like with their

1:17:53Jackie Oshry:wives and girlfriends no a lot of them got here they were dropped off by a wag and like do they

1:17:58Claudia Oshry:go then in their own car and listen no they like don't mind when the wife puts it on i don't know

1:18:04Jackie Oshry:that this is the case but i feel like if you grew up in a house with like a lot of sisters and like loud women you might find comfort in this show um like if you live across the country from your i'm

1:18:14Claudia Oshry:just like hypothesizing no and also if you do want to connect like with your partner and this is what they're interested in this is how they speak like it's a it's a nice gesture like to have

1:18:25Jackie Oshry:is there is something inherently gay about being interested in pop culture i think so

1:18:30Claudia Oshry:oh interesting but it's like when our husbands watch housewives with us with us right but like say you found ben if i came home like you just be like oh wow he really liked this season

1:18:43Jackie Oshry:I would actually like be endeared to it. It's never happened. I don't think. But he does say like, is there new housewives tonight? Is that gay? So that we could watch it together. Is that gay? I don't think that's gay.

1:18:56Claudia Oshry:Right. I don't think your husband is gay. I think he just like is a really good husband. And I'm sorry that we're actually like so amazing. So infectious. And you think that this is something for the girls, like on the surface it is. But there's no reason why like a straight man who loves his wife like wouldn't enjoy this. Like our husbands would love this show.

1:19:12Jackie Oshry:And I think a lot of men like genuinely in their belief, they're not misogynist at all, but they really believe that like girls cannot be funny. And so even sometimes I'll find people being like, oh, like when I do meet and greets and stuff, the husband's like, you know, I actually listened, like it was actually funny. Like, so the fact that this guy like has no, what's the word I'm looking for? Like.

1:19:36Claudia Oshry:Preconceived notion.

1:19:37Jackie Oshry:No, it's like a dumber word than that. Like.

1:19:43Jackie Oshry:whatever sure let's say biases he sounds like an amazing guy yeah he does and he just wants to be close to you and that's funny i guess like it him coming up with the boys being like this beer is

1:19:53Claudia Oshry:paris you man i love it we're for everyone no and that's like how we get our language like our weird

1:20:00Jackie Oshry:steamy language to become more ubiquitous so send this episode to your husband okay yeah i love it

1:20:06Claudia Oshry:i'm glad we did that yeah same i can't see my clock so i don't know how long we've been here hour 20 no coffee

1:20:15Jackie Oshry:thank you guys so much for listening to the Justin where we listen thank you guys so much for listening we listen and learn we do so if you're watching this on YouTube please feel free to subscribe to this video thumbs up or also podcasting podcasting we found so Spotify and Twitter public radio I would like to ask all the places to visit a podcast find us a five star view about how beautiful stunning and wickedly talented we are

1:20:36Claudia Oshry:love ya bye

1:20:41Thank you.