Dubrovnik Smash Burger: Monday, November 10th, 2025

10 Nov 2025 · 1 h 5 min · 26 chapters

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In short

The Toast co-hosts (Toast hosts) discuss postpartum breastfeeding/independent sleeping, a baby formula recall, celebrity news, and career-vs-motherhood—framed around “Dubrovnik Smash Burger” (Kelsey Ballerini/Chase Stokes spotted in Dubrovnik).

Guests

Shannon Ford (new mom; three-and-a-half months postpartum; oversupply then milk regulation; trying independent sleeping; former choir alto; knows Japanese from school). No other guest appears as a named interviewee in the excerpt.

Key claims

  • By Heart infant formula recall: check lot/batch numbers; cross-reference with released batch numbers.
  • Breastfeeding: milk regulation can cause sudden baby frustration even when latch/eating are good.
  • Career and motherhood can be compatible for content creators/podcasters; traditional corporate roles are less flexible.
  • Kelsey Ballerini’s song “Freedom” (jealousy theme) reflects real feelings about wanting motherhood/career.

Notable examples

  • Kris Jenner’s 70th birthday “007D” Bond-themed party with major celebrities and Baby to Baby Gala.
  • Kelsey Ballerini and Chase Stokes holding hands in Dubrovnik at “Kiba Smashburger.”
  • Shannon’s baby-naming journey: Goldie to Daisy; Daisy chosen after baby-name book; middle name Patricia.

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Chapters

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Motherhood and Friendship

0:45 to 3:54

Hosts discuss their friendship, motherhood experiences, and the challenges of new parenthood.

“We're going to do our best not to be like so new mama, but like we have to do yourself like, like not being able to stop talking about new mama things.”

Infant Formula Recall

3:54 to 5:00

Discussion on a recall of ByHeart infant formula and its implications for parents.

Feeding Journeys

5:00 to 7:27

Shannon shares her experience with breastfeeding and milk regulation.

“make sure you're not a part google it i'm sure you've heard about it but in case you hadn't i did feel like a responsibility to mention it because it was kind of big news over the weekend.”

Navigating Social Media and Criticism

7:27 to 12:23

Hosts talk about social media reactions and personal experiences with criticism.

“Like you can carry a tune, not me feeling threatened.”

Baby Naming Journey

12:23 to 14:00

Discussion about baby names, their meanings, and personal choices.

“and childbearing and feeding children and mamahood.”

Baby Name Evolution: From Goldie to Daisy

14:00 to 19:30

The hosts discuss the journey of choosing a baby name and the challenges that arise during the process.

“So it was Goldie for a long time, but it was basically just like, and here's what, like you could do whatever you want, obviously in this journey, do whatever you want.”

Baby Name Evolution: From Goldie to Daisy

19:33 to 20:59

The hosts discuss the journey of choosing a baby name and the challenges that arise during the process.

“It's fast, it's reliable, it's secure and powerful.”

Baby Name Evolution: From Goldie to Daisy

21:04 to 22:23

The hosts discuss the journey of choosing a baby name and the challenges that arise during the process.

“I'm just like cool Sally by the water cooler.”

Baby Name Evolution: From Goldie to Daisy

22:33 to 23:58

The hosts discuss the journey of choosing a baby name and the challenges that arise during the process.

“They have created easy beauty essentials for a full life.”

Baby Name Evolution: From Goldie to Daisy

25:06 to 25:30

The hosts discuss the journey of choosing a baby name and the challenges that arise during the process.

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Kris Jenner's 70th Birthday Bash

25:31 to 28:01

The hosts recount the extravagance of Kris Jenner's birthday party and the celebrity attendance.

“So Kris Jenner celebrated her 70th birthday with famous family, celebrity friends during her Bond-themed birthday party.”

Kardashian Birthday Parties

28:01 to 29:18

Discussion about the Kardashian family's recent birthday celebrations and celebrity attendance.

“So much content coming out of it too because like of course Kim, Chris, Kylie, everyone was just like doing the most.”

Kris Jenner's Influence

29:19 to 30:14

Exploring Kris Jenner's pivotal role in the Kardashian brand and influence.

“Like the ratio was just like straight up fucking famous people.”

The Importance of Dressing Up

30:15 to 31:37

A conversation on the decline of formal dressing and the importance of themed events.

“When you rank your favorite, you know, Kardashian-Generes, you don't think Kris.”

Kelsey Ballerini's Reunion

31:38 to 33:02

Discussing Kelsey Ballerini's recent song and her reunion with Chase Stokes.

“It's like come to a murder mystery party, wear a gown if you could.”

Kelsey's New Song Analysis

33:03 to 35:52

Analysis of Kelsey Ballerini's song, themes of motherhood and personal growth.

“Also not them being like we could probably get away with it if we go to Croatia and get a smash burger and someone's like got your ass.”

Career and Motherhood Challenges

35:53 to 39:20

Discussion on the balance between career ambitions and motherhood.

“So I didn't see the Call Her Daddy interview and I had the exact opposite.”

Career and Motherhood Challenges

41:45 to 43:05

Discussion on the balance between career ambitions and motherhood.

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Career and Motherhood Challenges

44:08 to 45:19

Discussion on the balance between career ambitions and motherhood.

“the smarter way to run your business's communications.”

Career and Motherhood Challenges

45:25 to 46:49

Discussion on the balance between career ambitions and motherhood.

“a grape we've all been there more times than we like to admit because it turns out parenthood It doesn't come with a meal plan.”

Shay Mitchell's Controversial Toddler Skincare Line

46:49 to 52:46

Discussing the backlash against Shay Mitchell's new toddler skincare line.

“and you're also like a girl mom, and so I would love to hear your thoughts.”

Kim Kardashian's Law Journey and Acting

52:46 to 56:00

Exploring Kim Kardashian's law journey and her struggles in acting.

Halloween Costumes and Celebrity Encounters

56:00 to 58:40

The hosts discuss a Halloween incident involving actress Rachel Lynn Matthews and Orlando Bloom.

“deal i really don't think it's that deep i don't i don't sue me i don't she can sue you soon as As soon as she passes the bar.”

Caitlin Nicole Controversy

58:40 to 1:00:40

The conversation shifts to the backlash faced by Caitlin Nicole over her costume and social media posts.

“I've listened to Daisies by Justin Bieber.”

Social Media Scrutiny and Public Image

1:00:40 to 1:02:32

Discussion about the implications of social media scrutiny and personal accountability.

“She, yeah, she basically did this costume and like this, it was like, she was like the Swifties were starting stuff and she was getting like backlash for the costume.”

Breastfeeding and Hunger

1:02:32 to 1:03:26

Shannon shares her experience of hunger while breastfeeding, drawing a light-hearted parallel to her previous pregnancy.

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Transcript

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0:03Jackie Oshry:Good morning, girlies. It's the toast. It's Jackson Claude and we're your hosts. It's your favorite show. The fast five things you need to know. We'll start your day off swirly. It's the toast. I sound amazing. welcome back to the toast and happy monday i am honored and a little threatened to be sitting down with today's co-host it's shannon ford in a crop top i believe a gucci one it's fendi and i'm pulling it down it's not i don't want it to be cropped i'm like this was supposed to be an episode about like postpartum motherhood and i'm over here in my sweats and i'm like sweating with breast milk coming out of my nipples me too me too you're you're looking so insanely gorgeous i want to throw up you're really not really welcome here with this energy hello shannon forward welcome to the toast thank you so much I'm honored to be here and also I understand and I'll do better I'm listening and learning you look gorgeous I'm so excited to have you on the toast literally like Shanna and I were always best friends I want you guys to know like we've been best friends since the day we met like she's probably closer than me than she is with Jackie or Margo um but we have recently become just sort of inseparable our babies are what like three months apart yeah I thought about that the other day three or four but I think yeah three and a half.

1:22Jackie Oshry:We did the trenches together. We're here. We're going to do our best not to be like so new mama, but like we have to do yourself like, like not being able to stop talking about new mama things. Yeah. To the point that actually I was like talking to Courtney and I was like, okay, for my next special and for the next episode. And she's like, here, you love this journey. Courtney's also a mom, my producer. And she's like, do you want to stay just all full pregnancy, full mama? And I was like, oh wait, okay. You're right. I should like talk about other stuff, but it's all consuming in the best way possible.

1:49And I don't want to talk. I have nothing else to

1:51Jackie Oshry:talk about. I find myself like writing, like creating Instagram stories and just deleting them. Cause I'm like, I don't know how many stories I can make about Ruby's nap schedule, but it's so interesting. No, it is interesting. And it's funny because I worried that I was bothering you with certain like calls about breastfeeding or whatever. And then I realized how much I care about it. And if anyone were to ask me, I'd be like, let me tell you everything. And so I'm like, hopefully you are the same way. And it's like, what's the point in going through this journey and like learning so much if I can't pass it on to the next mama, like to the mama who passed it on to me.

2:20Jackie Oshry:Yeah. You have to pay it forward. You guys. Yeah. Yeah. And I also, you're just as like, um, psycho as I am and, um, militant with something. So it's really helpful because like sometimes you talk to people who are like, girl, babies aren't robots. It is what it is. And I'm like, right. But like, if it, if she was for the day, if she was AI baby for the day, what would you suggest we do for that part? A hundred percent. I'm so aligned with you. And it's so funny because like now I'm in Florida and we've taken our routine down south and like everyone's just noticing like how kind of crazy I am because like I'm in a house with other people usually me Ben and Ruby and they're like all giving me side eye like I don't give a fuck like yes we will cut the day short for the nap okay so true when I took her home to my parents I was like I cannot remove her from her great grandmother her namesake from her arms but I was like but so okay the nab we if we could just independent sleeping is something we're trying to do it's so hard sorry gran sorry grandma he's got to independently sleep no i obviously let her hold her but yeah it's just it's been so wonderful and it's just the best thing ever i can't believe that i i need like seven more and i know that's also toxic to say and i should be the mom that's like oh i need a minute but like if you gave me seven right now i'd be like okay i'll figure it out same same um now shannon is here to do a lot of things and again i i find myself like really trying not to slip slip into like just mama things yes and and we'll do our best to like rise above today because we do have amazing stories like chris shenner's birthday over the weekend oh yeah so many good things to talk about like it's a real monday episode but i do want to just like do the pre-fast by better just like talking about mama stuff and oh my god wait speaking of mama stuff I wanted to talk about this so many people tagged me and I appreciate there was a by heart infant formula recall over the weekend and they're like one of our biggest sponsors so I just wanted to mention it in case like someone hadn't heard about oh my god what sign what oh my god okay Ben not you get first of all get out I have an Instacart order and they need me to sign I just hear him whispering in the distance now you're coming in like okay what do i do you're just gonna take my phone yeah okay go through it well i'm in the middle of like an important announcement as well um all set to say we talk about by heart a lot they're one of our biggest sponsors and they had a recall over the weekend and i did want to mention it in case you guys hadn't heard about it and you are by heart mamas check your lot numbers they released like the the batch numbers and so just cross-reference it with the ones that you have to make sure you're not a part google it i'm sure you've heard about it but in case you hadn't i did feel like a responsibility to mention it because it was kind of big news over the weekend.

5:08Jackie Oshry:Fair enough. Yes. So not to be like, you know, darkness, but did want to mention that. Now, Shannon, how's your feeding journey going? It's going good. It's, you know, when you regulate, I guess like if you're not a mama listening to this, you produce, some people are blessed and fortunate. I am a soul member. Some might even consider me a president of the Itty Bitty TD committee. So I know that this isn't a correlation to how much milk you produce, but I just wasn't picturing being like a huge, massive oversupplier. Producer. Yeah. And your girl was straight milky girl. Like it was dairy factory.

5:42I felt very blessed. It was great. And I think my daughter got really used to that, that flow, you know, she's a good eater and she really liked that. She liked to be waterboarded by the titties. She really enjoyed that. And who doesn't? Who doesn't? I like to be waterboarded like with my lunch as well. Agreed. Agreed. Eat slower. Not interested. So yet when my milk regulated, which is basically if you like didn't breastfeed, it's when your milk is stops going from being such an oversupply and starts regulating to just the amount that your infant would need regularly throughout the day, which isn't like an extra 20 ounces.

6:15Girl was not happy with it. She was like really frustrated with the today because it just wasn't waterboarding her anymore. So we had to, I had to like, you know, take a deep breath and just keep putting from a baby that like latched great and was so wonderful. So then all of a sudden it's kind of like when you mentioned how great Ruby was napping and all of a sudden it's like naps go to shit. I'm like, she's such a good latcher. She's such a good eater. I produce so gallons and gallons and gallons that all of a sudden she's like screaming, crying, throwing a fit. And I'm like, shit. Yeah.

6:43Jackie Oshry:So the thing is, is that it's going good though. It's just kind of. You have to also, I forget you told me this, but like being a baby is really hard. so I'm always just like listen I got you you have to like like it's just like it's so sad when you think about the POV of a baby yeah yeah you can barely say they're hungry all the time they're everything hurts their bellies like it's so sad it is sad I know she'll be like oh my baby but I'm like you got this you got this I'm like trying to give her words of encouragement she's like bitch I don't speak English stop Shannon do you have a good voice like singing voice um no but like like better than most but not like a good singing voice but definitely better than most yeah i was an honor choir like every once in a while i have the kind of choir i have the kind of singing voice that every once in a while in the car someone will go okay if i like hit her really good no no not she's really good but like i'll just be singing bad and then maybe like i'll sing good one thing and they'll be like okay and i'm like okay well now you know you have to sing like now that you brought it up well i brought it up but i don't know what i would sing what did i oh i always got i always got um picked for alto stuff in okay alto okay alto okay sing whatever you sing to daisy head shoulders knees and toes okay okay no it's gonna suck now it's only like good okay okay like i'm literally all right oh wait but i only know the japanese version i'll explain later what okay

8:09yeah it's kuchito i've i've back checked it's kuchito okay

8:13Jackie Oshry:Okay, first of all, you actually have a good voice. Thank you. Like you can carry a tune, not me feeling threatened. Why do you know the Japanese version and why is it better than English? It's just what comes to me every time because I know the Japanese version so much more than the American. And that's my question. Why do you know the Japanese version? Okay, so in my small country-ass town of Gilbert, South Carolina, I don't know why. And this really did not bode well once we went to high school, but they taught us Japanese. That was like what we learned in like elementary school and middle school.

8:42we had a sensei come every day instead of like Spanish yes yes and so then we went to high school and they were like this is and this is absolutely no shade to the Japanese culture but

8:50Jackie Oshry:like it's Spanish but it's not a language you need to know to live in America to live in America it would be much more suitable probably a lot more like helpful in the job force career-wise to know Spanish and so when we got you don't know Spanish no when we got to not really when we got to high school they were like oh like no more sensei like here's your senorita like like we so we switched to Spanish and I'll never forget I was in high school I was in like a junior year of high school taking like remedial Spanish like very low level Spanish and there was like freshmen that are just come from eighth grade in my class oh they knew so much and so the teacher kept like skipping over stuff being like and obviously oh la la la la and I was like whoa hold on well konnichiwa um excuse me if we could just do you still know no Japanese can count a hundred I know like some phrases no I I mean, I know like a couple of phrases and head, shoulders, knees and toes really stuck with me.

9:43But that is so funny. Yeah, that's why I know it.

9:46Jackie Oshry:Can I actually ask you a question? And you can feel free to not answer this. And if you want to cut it out, we can. But can you talk about like when Lauren Bostic like went through like a cancellation like a couple of months ago? You happen to have been her guest on the episode and like you kind of got dragged into it. And it was like her thing, but like you were a part of it. What was it like? Um, what a quick shift from Japanese head, shoulders, knees and toes. Sorry, I forgot that like that was something you went through. um it was fine because really lauren is i truly you know when people are like i don't care what people say about me and you're like yeah okay sure like i like i say that kind of stuff and i like deeply care i'm like i don't care what anybody thinks about me um lauren is one of those like gorgeous freaks of nature who actually means it when she says that and i think that they just like they they welcome the smoke me i'm like i don't want no smoke no smoke and she's like smoke it up this is the smoking section like and so I respect that for her she just wasn't bothered by it which helped me a lot I will say it was frustrating for a couple things because people would like comment on my page like uh what about you know manifesting getting pregnant I'm like oh it's okay so I didn't say that um right so I don't even know she said that and also that was actually not even our episode together that was the episode she did solo we're really i'm getting really roped into a lot of different like narratives here like it was but i i really just decided to just not like when people were like you know how people are when they're like make a statement like are you gonna respond and i'm like no like this is the first time i'm bringing it up like hot uh the the news job exclusive yeah exclusive people exclusive no um i just like didn't bring it up because i knew i could lay my little head down at night and rest and know that all I said was that I like eat sushi pregnant.

11:27So like, I don't care. Right, right. And my TTC journey was like, you know, so much easier than most. But I also, and you know, because another time you were giving me so much advice, like it was like five months of me trying and being disappointed. And like there's room and space for everyone's disappointment in TTC. A hundred percent. In TTC. And I talked about it on my podcast a lot too in my, and I get messages, not to shoot my own horn, I get messages all the time that are like, your pregnancy podcast makes me feel so much better about either TTC or being really anxious in the first trimester and like all the different stuff, how I like had such bad cramping and no one really talks about the cramping and stuff.

12:01Whenever you're in your first trimester and how like you just automatically assume something horrible is happening. So I was like, you know what, if people really listen to the podcast, I didn't say, and I don't think, I don't think Lauren regrets anything she said either. So it's just like, we're good. So if you, you know, you can take what you want from it. And if it upset you, then that, you know, I do apologize. It's a really, it's a really sacred space, childhood and childbearing and feeding children and mamahood. And I get that it can really affect people differently. And I, I cannot stress enough.

12:32It's something I said on the podcast with her that I think got lost in translation is like, I cannot stress enough. Consume what makes you happy, feel good, feel good in this moment. And if that podcast made you irate, throw it away in the trash, block us do whatever like only consume what makes you happy and that's what i was saying in her podcast i consumed a lot of negativity because it's just what kept getting fed to me in the algorithm and it's probably because i kept watching those bitches so they're like let's enter more scary dark stuff and so i had to like i i said like i wish i consumed more positive stuff in the early stages so yeah we were i was just trying to be like you know positive and hopeful and say everything's not scary and bad but of course the internet's like but there should be a space to talk about scary and bad and i'm like totally yeah no i'm glad you brought that up for

13:15Jackie Oshry:sure sure yeah so anyways I apologize if my questions are all over the place things just keep coming to me because we haven't podcasted together in so long we haven't I know and you know we were both in this space where I think I asked her one time like months and months ago I wouldn't have dared ask her why she was pregnant but I think I asked and you're like I love you so much I physically cannot podcast one more fucking time and I was like no no I totally understand I get it and then there was another time where you probably just didn't ask me because you're like girl she's she's in the throes she's a lot going on she's got a lot going on so we just have a lot to catch up on via podcasting so I want to also talk about your baby naming journey um because you had told me a name Goldie and I was like oh my god not gonna use it so feel free I love it and did you actually love it by the way love me too and then you were like wait never mind citrulls a daisy daisy it and I like that they're like I I'm not a baby namer but I think namers would like put them in the same category of like traditional female i started following these like baby name sites whatever actually to unfollow them because sometimes i'm like why the i don't care anymore um even though i want like seven kids i'm like okay i don't need to like follow these sites um it said like if you like the name goldie here are and daisy was on there so that's good it's of the same elk as jackie would say now changing your baby's name is so crazy very kylie jenner of you i'm sorry bitch very you of you you change your baby's name i did not be forgetting i literally had two births.

14:41Jackie Oshry:Yes. Backs. Um, walk me through that journey. So it was Goldie for a long time, but it was basically just like, and here's what, like you could do whatever you want, obviously in this journey, do whatever you want. But like something I won't do again is we won't start calling her that name because it really pissed me off when we changed it to Daisy. And then I remember specifically one time we were like in the ocean on my baby moon, I had this horrible rash and James, I was already like in a mood and James, cause I wanted to be fabulous and gorgeous and chic on my baby moon and I was just like covered in this like really horrific rash and which is like my pregnancy journey to a T something was always wrong with my body or face um Eli Eli Eli like what do you say yes yes yes yes yes so um anyways James was like oh and he like grabbed my tummy in the ocean was like Goldie and I was like it's Daisy and then I was like pissed that he called our baby the wrong name I was like do you even like Daisy he's like I do we just we said Goldie for so long it's just hard to remember it's facts actually um but yeah I basically was Goldie.

15:36And then I wasn't sure if that was it for sure, just because I was like, oh, it was just almost too easy to come up with. And is it too trendy? Is it becoming this really popular, trendy name right now? And is this for sure what I want? So I ordered an Amazon book, a thousand baby names or something like that. And it came in and to James' great dismay, I forced him one Sunday when we were eating brunch to just sit there and go through a thousand baby names with me. That book is amazing. That book is amazing. There are so many names. It'll be like table, like it's kind of crazy. So you have to like weed through it.

16:08And I wrote like three down. Um, Daisy was one of them. And when I said it, James said, Oh, Daisy, I quite like that. And I was like, yeah. And then we found out that it was English origin. So he's like, Oh, it's an English name. That's cute. And it was like the great Gatsby, Daisy, Daisy, Daisy. And we just like kept it on the list. And then we went back through our list of like Goldie, Daisy, and like a few others that I won't mention in case we use them. And he was like, I think it's Daisy. And I was like, yeah, I think it's Daisy too. So there's really not like a, her middle name is Patricia, which is my grandmother's name and it's like the most special thing ever to me but daisy i just got from a book off amazon and it's not like a crazy never heard of name it's off no it's not like a crazy celebrity apple yeah yeah but just saw in a book on amazon can't recommend it enough i'll

16:46Jackie Oshry:that book is great i i had like a couple of names and ruben was one of them and then when i opened the book it said like the origin and i knew it was like a biblical hebrew name yes but it translates to behold a son oh i mean okay that's perfect like literally me behold wait you guys in the Jewish community I just um I think I learned this from you but also mostly from nobody wants this you can use the letter of a relative who's passed you can okay you totally can and like in our family we do that too I'm learning that like my philosophy when it comes to like naming after people is like I think I prefer to be a little bit more literal like not letter but I might get to a point where like I want to do letter right but for right now like my maternal grandfather was Ruben Geller and I liked the name Ruben and they called him Ruby like we called him Papa Ruby so cute so I like to be a little bit more on the nose but I might have so many children that like I get to a point where I can't be so on the nose what's your dream like or if you could choose I know like a healthy baby or anything but like if you had to of course of course of course of course of course but yes yes yes if you had to choose would you want another because I wanted a boy first as you know and I've said that like I wanted a boy and so then you had a boy and I was like sleigh two best friends just having boys and i almost literally i'm so insane i almost bought boy clothes because i was so commenced i was gonna have a boy to like manifest yeah and then i had a girl and now though that i have a girl i can't i like want another girl so that their sister's close in age yes i think that if i were you i would also want a girl next yeah and then we can do boys this is fine yes and i think for me i i think both are good like i think having two brothers how cute so but i think if you then had like a girl and a boy like a younger girl and then like you know the you know older brother's friends come over like how much fun that'd be her boyfriend and they get married like love it so true it's so true when you have a boy you can have either next we have a girl first you almost kind of wish you have a sister next a thousand because a little brother after a big sister kind of a little shit oh you know like big shit it's giving like dweeb like little dweeby brother no but it's also actually giving so cute it is giving cute anyone listening to this is gonna be like hey i have no it's also giving like i respect women it's also giving i have a little brother and so obviously i don't mind it and he is like and he's like not a dweeb he's like the cutest sweetest thing and you know what that man would go get you a box of tampons and not think twice you know like he's got two older sisters oh i'm sorry it's ben oh yeah dweeb alert got it got it um okay we can delete allie and talk about names all day but like we do need to talk about the tourist stories so okay and there are such good stories and i chose one especially for you because you have a daughter and i really want to talk about this Shea Mitchell skincare line thing.

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25:30Jackie Oshry:First up, big news of the weekend. It's Kris Jenner's 70th birthday party. It looked insane. 70 is a sick theme. So Kris Jenner celebrated her 70th birthday with famous family, celebrity friends during her Bond-themed birthday party. So she had her birthday party. It was held at Jeff Bezos and Nicole Bezos. I guess that's her name. Oh, Nicole. I have to stop calling her Nicole. I just, her name is Lauren. She looks like a Nicole. You can't do that. I call her Nicole Sanchez, but her name is Lauren Sanchez. it was at their house every celebrity on the planet was there it was of course planned by mindy weiss so here's who was in attendance oprah mariah carey tyler perry vin diesel mark zuckerberg prince harry and megan adele and rich paul of course all the kardashians scott disick travis barker tristan thompson cory gamble um martha stewart chris rock like i I seriously don't even know where to, and then the performer, Bruno Mars.

26:25Jackie Oshry:It's giving the white party. The theme was 007D. Hilarious. She looked insane. The decor was amazing. There was like custom Dunkin' Donuts boxes that said America runs on Kris Jenner. Classic. Brand integration. Haley Bieber, Justin Bieber. Like literally everyone on the planet was there. What's so crazy is that it was also the Baby to Baby Gala, which is like a charity gala for babies. They like raise money for like. I saw that. It's a big deal. Everyone always goes, dresses up to the nines. It's almost like, it's not a baby Met, but it's like people like really. It's a Met Gala. Yeah. And so the fact that it was two major events, a lot of people did both.

27:02Jackie Oshry:Also, apparently Beyonce and Jay-Z were at Chris's birthday party, but they totally avoided paparazzi. That's impressive. Which means that like if somebody wanted to avoid paparazzi, they could. Yeah. So everyone wanted the pics. Yeah, you're right. Kim's Alls Fair cast was there. Sarah Paulson, Naomi Watts, Tyler Perry was in attendance. all the Hiltons Kathy Paris were there if you weren't there you were a big fat loser if you weren't there you were a big fat loser I very rarely like see things online and I'm like oh I wish I was there like I have like FOMO because you know like celebrity once you like have ever met a celebrity you realize it's actually not fun to hang out with celebrities because everyone in the room is just like staring at the celebrity everyone's talking about the celebrity it's like the party doesn't go on because the celebrity just kind of like ruins the event honestly the air out of the room kind of and I'm sure they don't want that but they just do they just do it's like really not fun um but something like this i just know was a blast i mean bruno mar is like kill me like this sounds so sick everybody it was i think black tie everybody looked gorgeous i wonder if she did that and so that they could come from baby to baby gala straight to her maybe or or maybe there were outfit changes did you see prince harry's um scalp uh yeah the visibility of it yeah and so you know how there was all those rumors that when he was wearing all those weird hats that he got hair transplant.

28:17So I guess he did it. I saw that on Lizzie.

28:19Jackie Oshry:Rumor debunked. No hair was planted. Yeah, right. Still bald. So much content coming out of it too because like of course Kim, Chris, Kylie, everyone was just like doing the most. And then over the weekend, Kendall, I guess, I think maybe it happened. I wonder what the timeline was because Kendall like last weekend had her birthday party. Oh yeah, on the island. Where she rented that private island and it was like the same crew, like all the young peeps, except Courtney wasn't there, but all the other sisters were. Um, they just, I know November is like a big season for them cause they have so many birthdays, but it seems exhausting.

28:52Yeah. It does seem exhausting. Also, I guess they're all Scorpios. I know you don't really.

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28:56Jackie Oshry:Yeah. No, I don't. But I know because Jackie's a Scorpio. Happy birthday to Jackie. Happy birthday to Jax. So this party looked so sick. I actually like wish I was there. I know I would have had the best time ever cause I know like everyone had fun. I know everybody drank. I knew everybody danced. I know everybody stayed late. Like I just know it's not a thing that people go to take a picture and leave. Like everyone went because it was definitely lit. Litty titties plus there was like enough celebrities there that it wouldn't have been like the suck the air out of the room because there's so many regular people to famous people ratio.

29:26Like the ratio was just like straight up fucking famous people.

29:28Jackie Oshry:Yeah. It's like you couldn't. I don't know who's who is the most famous person there. Right. Is it Oprah? Is it Megan and Harry? Oh. Is it Jeff Bezos? Oh Mark Zuckerberg was there. Yeah. But he's kind of accessible. Yeah. No. I'm just saying like it's so upper echelon. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is really Met Gala level. It's so crazy to think that like, I mean, I know people talk about this all the time, but like the Kardashians literally started out as like just like reality TV stars with like a little like tiny scandal. And now that they have like the most upper echelon, 70th birthday of like iconic level status, 1 million.

30:01Jackie Oshry:And it's because of Kris. Like it's, and so her having this type of party is, and I feel like Kris doesn't get enough credit because when you think about the Kardashians, you think like Kylie, you You think Kim. You think Kendall. Kris gets forgotten about a lot. And I think I said this a little while ago, like that Kris is my number one favorite Kardashian. And she still is. Yeah. When you rank your favorite, you know, Kardashian-Generes, you don't think Kris. Oh, you don't even put her in there, actually. When it's like, who's your favorite Kardashian? You don't. You. Yeah. You're right. But Kris is so underrated.

30:27Jackie Oshry:And I think if any of the girls threw a birthday party, like it would have been huge like this. But it would not have been this A-list. And it's because of Kris. Like Kris is so underrated. she's she's like that um a radio host or a talk show host that everyone's like obsessed with and loves and adores she actually like she forms a bridge between any drama that her other like honestly she she should be added to she might be on lizwood's list of who could cure the kardashian and taylor swift drama totally like like what if you just call taylor up call taylor like what if you just called her up she really does just like bridge the gaps of any drama because everyone just loves chris america runs on chris jenner everybody loves chris yeah i love and she looked insane and her new face is just settling in really nicely.

31:08Jackie Oshry:The girls looked gorgeous. Like, I want to thank Kris Jenner. This was like the most fun I've had. Seeing who was there, the pictures coming out. Now everyone like Kylie, they're posting little videos. It's just a fun rabbit hole to go down because it's pargy. Pargy. So thank you to Kris. 0070. Yes, very clever. And I do love, like, I feel like nobody gets dressed up anymore. So having it be black tie themed, like everyone's wearing like truly gowns. You feel like nobody gets dressed up anymore? Oh my God, I feel like everyone invites, I feel like no one has me had a black tie wedding. I feel like everyone's wedding is black tie these days.

31:38I feel like everyone. Oh, I don't think so. It's like come to a murder mystery party, wear a gown if you could. Like, I feel like everything is dress up.

31:43Jackie Oshry:Like we need to bring back dressing up. Remember when people used to get dressed up on airplanes? Now, I'm so glad I didn't live in that era because like I need to wear leggings and like a crew neck toe smirch. But it's so cute. My parents. Right. My parents are adorable when I meet them at the airport or see them go to a flight. My dad puts on like a sports coat. My dad doesn't. My dad is like, wears Tevas and like tank tops, sleeveless tank tops all day and like paints houses and works on like motors on jet skis. And he was on like a sports coat. He's like, of course, we're going on a flight, honey.

32:15Jackie Oshry:I'm like, oh, no, he's right. Like bring back just like nice, nice, nice. My two piece loungewear matches. That's nice. Okay. Other big news of the weekend was Kelsey Ballerini's song that came out on Friday. it kind of took the world by storm and then her and Chase Stokes were spotted together I believe in Croatia holding hands nearly two months after their split so after the country star and Outer Bank star broke up an onlooker saw them in Kiba at Kiba Smashburger random in Dubrovnik in Dubrovnik good details on Friday they were holding hands at the table talking closely the onlooker told People Magazine after they got up they walked together hand in hand they looked very cute so they're obviously back together this is somebody she was with for three months and now they're on vacation holding hands.

33:02Jackie Oshry:Like they're back together. They're obviously back together. Yeah. Also not them being like we could probably get away with it if we go to Croatia and get a smash burger and someone's like got your ass. At Dubrovnik. At Dubrovnik. Not the Dubrovnik smash burger. Like we want to go to Dubrovnik to see the sights, try the cuisine, the indigenous. We'll have smash burger. Yeah, I think I'll do a smash burger. Do you guys have? That's like I feel like the most Tennessee thing ever. Do you guys have any ketchup? He's from Charleston. um but to me like i i feel like there were murmurs about them getting back together and them dating i mean them breaking up was a little shocking so i wasn't surprised that they're back together i feel like the big surprise is her song i know i wonder if she wants my freedom the way i want to be a mother like like i i could not get over and the the um actual like music video was so good and then the indie the last line do you understand the last line terrence stew and say to me is Taryn's due in June the album's due in March I do in March yeah it makes sense do people not get it no it does but Taryn is her makeup artist and makeup artist but also like her best friend one of her like best friends and she's a really close friend of mine I love Taryn and we were pregnant at the same time and when I was listening to the song I didn't I thought I didn't hear it right and so then I went to look up the lyrics and I was like oh my gosh I was like not saying Taryn's due in June the album's due in March I was like wow and then oh that's cute that's just such a like hits so different and this always happens with Taylor Swift because I I don't know if you do this um I listen to Apple music and I always if I'm listening to a song for the first time I always let the lyrics watch the lyrics yeah I always watch the lyrics and when it scrolls to the bottom and it says written by Kelsey Ballerini with not another single person on there it's such a sleigh to me and that always happens with Taylor Swift it'll be like written by Taylor Swift and it really anyone if anyone writes a crazy good song and it's just their credits at the bottom and no one else I'm like wow that wasn't a co-write like that just came from your brain in your heart and your mind that's really impressive and she posted a you know she loves a carousel um and she posted a little like uh video video of her like voice notes of the idea and she basically like wrote the whole chorus and it's really windy it sounds like she's fucking sitting in a park it's just yeah and she also did another video talking about like the decision like what the song is about and she's like it's the first time i've ever really written about jealousy like if you listen to the song she just sits in a park and she's watching this really cute family like slay to that family yeah it's a mom and a dad and two kids and they're like having a picnic and she's just writing about like what her observation is that like this looks like the perfect family the mom is you know so loved by the dad and these two perfect kids and she's sitting there being like the mom's probably looking at me like jealous of the freedom that I have but she doesn't realize like I'm looking at her like you know the jealous of and I don't know why I found this so shocking because when Kelsey's spoken about like her love life and her career and her goals for the future I remember her saying on call her daddy that um you know her previous marriage like they so much went wrong but he was really like you know looking for a mom and a wife and she had these big career dreams and she was like I didn't want to you know start a family with him and I don't know if I even want to have kids at all what and that was a yeah I missed that was the last time she ever talked about it and I was like she was talking about how she kind of had like a not tumultuous but just like a little unstable childhood and that makes her question if she even wants to have kids and so it didn't seem like that was something she wanted so that's why I found the song so shocking because the song is beautiful and I think it's very real for a lot of women who want careers and you know what where does your career fit into your your motherhood or where does your motherhood fit into your career um but I was like oh I didn't even know this was something she wanted because that was the only time I ever heard or talk about it on Call Her Daddy.

36:38So I didn't see the Call Her Daddy interview and I had the exact opposite. I was not surprised by it at all because she says in the song Growing Up the Welcome Mat, there's a line about how he never really wanted kids and she's like, and now that I think about that, that doesn't even make sense. It was something, and I was like, oh, so I guess she wanted kids and he was like, not ready, not ready. But then you said on the Call Her Daddy, maybe that was just a lyric in her song, but it made it to me seem like she just didn't want to have kids with him.

37:03Jackie Oshry:Well, also her old marriage was plagued by a lot of issues. one being that they were in the same field and she was excelling a lot faster than him which i think is really hard um when you're in like in the entertainment industry everybody has such a big ego and you're both country singers and like one of you is flopping and one of you is becoming huge um so there was a lot of issues in her marriage and like not to say that she should have had kids with him definitely not because it was like it was a bad marriage and they got married really young too they got married really young and it was just it was just not good um and i think he's doing a lot better i think he moved out of the country like i think that he was not another country singer oh yeah but like a small time one like i think they're just like very much like living in a van vibes you know got it um but let me tell you not enough people talk about her not to bring him up but her ex-husband morgan evans like released one album in the states and it's literally like the best country album ever written it's called things we drink too oh oh it is a good album to it like not be knowing the whole album it's like so random no it's so good you're not supporting women and they have a song together on it and it's amazing yeah sorry um back to kelsey So I was just shocked by the admission that like this is something that she wants.

38:04Jackie Oshry:And I think so many people and she's talking like she sort of missed the boat. She's 32. So like, don't worry, girl, you're totally fine. Yeah. But I think it's like a very real conversation that I think a lot of people listen to the song, too, and we're like shook by how seen they felt by it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. How did you feel about like career and motherhood? because I feel like that's why I love what we do so much, like content creating, podcasting. I feel like it's one of the very few jobs that not only is so flexible schedule-wise, like you can be a full-time parent and a full-time content creator.

38:43Jackie Oshry:I feel like it really lends itself to both. But it's also the type of job where you get, I feel, more visibility, more opportunity becoming a mom. Not everyone can say that, you know, because I feel like I'm thriving even more. I have more to talk about more brands diapers sure let's go formula like yeah yeah I there's not a lot of jobs where you become a mom and I think your job flourishes and I do feel like when content creators become and podcasters and any influencers become moms or celebrities like when you become moms it opens you up to just like a whole new yeah graphic a whole new opportunity so I don't know if like we have the same thoughts on that as like as traditional if you work in a corporate setting I was just gonna say not corporate ladder not every job obviously is that like you know Kelsey song that's like I wanted the damn tour I did it I got what I wanted and like you know but that's not very conducive to like having a baby and being pregnant touring is not yeah no can't stress that enough don't go on tour pregnant um you're so crazy for that that was fucking nuts um yeah I could like dry he just thinking about it anyways I feel the same way I feel like there's more to talk about but I do have this like underlying thought where I'm like wait because my content has not always been you know like it's not very family friendly like you're a lot more like family friendly I would say other than when you're like what's up motherfuckers fuck shit yeah no but even I like I find myself now like looking at what I post what I say yeah just through the lens of like I don't want to embarrass my kids one day I mean I feel like I was never really like raunchy or whatever but I I feel like I've even pulled it back a little bit more no I mean my digital footprint is harrowing like I actually really I shudder to think about what like I will not be able to tell her anything like like she'll be like you literally talk about but you did this getting fucked like i'm like oh no that's not what i was talking about um i know like how do we i feel like so awkward yeah it's so i don't know what i'll do like i'll just have to like pay someone so much money to just like pull everything down at some point i don't know anyways i'll be like no mommy just talks about like her hemorrhoids and rectal prolapse and those are all due to you so really you're welcome no i i feel the same way i feel like the door opens up i just i also wonder because i was so like party girl fun fun fun i wonder if i had gotten my head sometimes being like do people even care people even care but i forget that like the internet has kind of grown up with me so they those people aren't still at the restaurant you know what i mean like yeah they're there's also growing up and most likely having children or maybe not having children but just like their friends are having kids and they're evolving they're evolving with me so i i got in my head a little bit like am i talking about like motherhood in pregnancy but then I'm always people are like I love it so I feel I know I don't know how to balance I because what like I could do a whole episode just talking about baby stuff and I'm with my friends it's all we fucking talk about I know so I struggle too with like balancing both I don't know what the right balance is because I and then it's like the duality of woman right yeah I'll do an episode on like baby stuff and people will be like yes give us more and then they'll be like well can you not and so I just don't know yeah yeah today's episode of the toast is brought to you by minted if you're looking to slow down and connect with your loved ones this holiday season sending a minted holiday card is a really fun tangible like low-key old school type of way to spread joy but also stunt on these toes what's better than like sending a pargy picture of yourself and maybe your man or maybe your dog or maybe your kids being like yeah i have a beautiful life send it on happy holidays when it comes to holiday cards minted is for the swirlies it's a brand full of toasters and it's really the only place that we would go to start our new favorite holiday tradition.

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48:49Jackie Oshry:I don't know. But like, it's happening anyway. So I don't know. I don't know. Here's the thing. Once again, the internet is like mentally ill because they're like horrifying. I mean, it is kind of dystopian. I'm not going to lie, but like, but people be like, I'm sick to my stomach. And like, like, I know you're kidding, but some people being like, I shudder to think I cannot articulate the words. Like, okay, relax. If Shay Mitchell didn't do it, someone else would have done it. and like like also um you say is her co-founder korean is it a korean skincare brand it's korean skincare yeah in korea in korea they have something for everything like i'm sure there already is some sort of like child skincare line there like that's like their thing and they're really good at it they're really good at it so like why not shay mitchell someone was gonna do it why not her like it's fine but what she could have done is like if you if you want to engage with your mommy and copy what your mommy does like it could be a play kit like there's play makeup kits like it could be like fake kitchens it could be fake they're not really cooking she would have sold a fake set it kind of would have gone along with her little like luggage brand and everything and like i don't think she needed to come out with like actual physical skincare to put on her face like it also just seems like hella messy like why i don't know yeah i i don't see the point in it but i'm not like i'm not she didn't come out with makeup for toddlers you know but i think of it i think of it as the same as makeup like it's strange for toddlers i grew up in a house with all girls and we had like fake makeup right it was like fake palette yeah yeah yeah and that's fun so much of kids plays pretend yeah fake kitchens um and then like your mom would put lipstick on you like while she was going out and it was like so special because it was a big special thing yeah yeah yeah so I don't know I like I don't think there's anything wrong with it I just hate that like that's what the world is I think I don't have a problem with Shay Mitchell I have a problem with the world yeah and you know what's also I think it um it could have been for middle schoolers I think it's really bizarre that it's for toddlers it creates this um it creates this weird thought of babies being adults and you don't want to think of babies being adults right you don't want a toddler to think it needs skincare because that's what a toddler if they're playing pretend thinks like I need to put this on I don't know it it creates a I don't like the age of it like when you just said it's for little kids I'm like oh grow up like all these 12 year olds are using skincare anyways but you're saying it's for like toddlers it's kind of fucking weird picture is her daughter how old is her daughter she can't be more than five I don't know how old kids are it's so annoying like how old are these two kids those two kids are like six those are kids they're not they're not they're not teens they're not like teens they're not in elementary they're like in first grade so like to be clear I'm not mad at Shay Mitchell because and her explanation is like you know my daughter wants to play with me I would rather her use this than real hyaluronic acid like yeah having like so so what is it just a nothing burger like is it just like facial masks that's it it's just they have a lot of masks they look like you know puppies and pandas and no but like what's in it that's by the way that's what adults wear like if i see one more girl out with like stars on her face like that's what adults are wearing too and then in this picture then on the brand they have a picture of like a bunch of kids wearing it it's um i would say this girl's probably 13 and then the youngest is five I don't mind if you're buying it if you're 13 to 10 to 13 year old whatever but like a five-year-old oh sorry this is weird to me it's created for growing faces ages three and up three and up it's crazy I mean whatever it's yeah it's okay I hate to be like a part of like this is wrong but like I don't know I don't have a problem with Shay Mitchell I can't stress that enough like she's this is what the world is consumerism yeah get your bag says if she didn't do it someone else was gonna do it and it's like she's doing it safe and ethical you know i'm sure she's got it all whatever it's like skims bush it's like okay so she's popping off and people hate it people love it like you're making news that's great we're talking about it on like the most popular podcast in the world right now so she's doing something good they want to help nurture healthy habits and spark confidence i don't know i hate this oh my i chose oh i chose six stories oh no i chose five stories okay fourth story kim kardashian did not pass the bar I saw this she said well I'm not a lawyer yet I just play a very well-dressed one on TV so six years into this law journey I'm still all in until I pass the bar no shortcuts no giving up no more just more studying and even more determination thank you to everyone who has supported and encouraged me along the way failing short falling short is not a failure it is fuel I was so close to passing the exam and this only motivates me even more let's go now I want to say a few things the fact that she didn't pass is not a big deal like so many successful lawyers like it's the hardest thing suits megan markle didn't pass forever it's not a litmus test on whether you're going to be a good lawyer or not or whether you're smart or not like some of the dumbest people i know have passed and some of the smartest people i know have not like it's not a big deal it just makes it begs the question like why you don't have to do all this like now i see her on the show because i'm watching the new season like her flashcards for years her and her flashcards while she's doing a tv show her flashcards while she's doing a photo shoot her flashcards while she's being a mom to four like girl you're a billionaire too like if i'm a billionaire you're not gonna catch you doing this much no but i'm telling you wish list she wants the baby face and the fat ass she wants the oscar on her bathroom floor she wants it all and like she should have it she should have it all she should like it's coming really hard to her no it's coming hard to me because like i just like no shade to miss kimberly noel with the same middle name as me spelled the same in everything and i don't think people talk about that enough but um she just wants it so like you're allowed to like strive for things and I think the main thing she wants people to know is that she can that she's not stupid that she's not just like a girl who had a sex tape and a reality star and a big butt and comes out with like bush underwear that she could she's not that anymore like I feel like the world gets it that she's a businesswoman people who hate the Kardashians can admit that they are savvy business women and Chris Kim and Chris are the smartest of them all I think that people still don't put Kim in that category because you're like yeah but she has a momager like kris jenner so that's why it's all great like i think she wants to people have given her her flowers i feel like it's been proven but i understand she wants to still continue to prove people wrong i get it it's just i feel exhausted for her i know watching the new season even with the acting thing i'm like why like i was gonna say it's the acting thing it's like for what people act to become billionaires not billionaires to become actors like acting acting loki sucks it's all day it's just like and she's missing family stuff i'm watching the show and i'm like girl why are you doing all this you don't have to i know I know I was just talking um on my podcast with a friend that was like yeah but we were talking about the new show and how terrible it is and she was like yeah but she's out there and she's really trying and I was like no but if you're an actor like you should be good like I'm not it's not one of those things where it's like but she tried really hard I'm like no no you gotta be good and the show all's fair on Hulu it's like you know people are saying it's the worst show ever made and now people are saying it's like the worst show ever made in an extremely camp kind of way all right and Kim has totally leaned in she's like posting all the negative reviews being like the show is so bad it's good yeah and that's actually really i want to say a unique approach and i respect it back to the bar thing just really quickly i think kim not passing people forget that kim actually did not go to law school and she's taking this unique approach she passed the baby bar yeah and she's doing an apprenticeship so like i don't think it's a big deal at all it would have been really a sleigh and a half if she passed but she didn't and i don't think it's a big deal i really don't think it's that deep i don't i don't sue me i don't she can sue you soon as As soon as she passes the bar.

56:08Jackie Oshry:Well, she can't. She got to pass the bar. Yeah. Okay. Our video about a story is some weirdness. Are you ready for the weirdness? Yeah. So actress Rachel Lynn Matthews, who I'm sure you don't know. And I don't either. Can we, can I please take a pause? I don't know who I was just talking to about this, but I was saying that you and Jackie know so many fucking people like. Oh wait, sorry, Shannon. I don't know who this bitch is. No, I know. But I was just about to say, of course, you know who the, this random person is. I will be listening to the toast. Does anyone else listen to the toast? And you're like, so-and-so is just became a mother of four.

56:40Congrats, Mazel Tov. And I'm like, who the fuck is that? And then I'm always having to look up IMBD. And y 'all are like, oh, yeah, I loved her in blah, blah, blah. Y 'all's wealth of knowledge on famous people is really impressive. But OK, I don't know who this is. Thank you. I agree. I'm going to Google her.

56:50Jackie Oshry:I don't know this person. You're not going to know her either. Rachel who? You don't need to know her. OK, OK, OK, OK. So Rachel Lynn Matthews, I guess an actress, she dressed up as Katy Perry for Halloween on the Blue Origin, very controversial space flight. OK. So normally why would we care that this random actress dressed up as Katy Perry, she mimicked Katy in the blue spacesuit, kissing the floor, long black hair? Well, because she posed with Orlando Bloom on Halloween. Like they were hanging. Oh, not like someone dressed as Orlando Bloom? No, real or it's Orlando Bloom dressed as a skeleton.

57:25Jackie Oshry:Oh. Wait, that's true. So the actress, yeah, I know. Maybe she was this creepy B-list actress who was like, can I take a picture? I'm dressed as Katy Perry, ha ha. Right, so it's unclear. she was sporting a black colored wig and a blue space suit similar to the one that katy perry wore um she mimicked katy perry also by kissing the floor and and and writing take up space she like instagram take up space because that's what katy perry said so the separate photo showed this actress posing alongside orlando bloom who wore in a skeleton themed costume it's unclear where the photo was taken but the lord of the ring star spent halloween at the annual uh bash of vast j Morgan and Michael Braun.

58:03Jackie Oshry:I don't know what that is. Who's the Lord of the Rings star? Orlando Bloom or the girl? Yes, Orlando Bloom. Several people questioned whether Orlando Bloom and this random actress were friends or strangers who ran into each other at the same party. If she's just some random at a party who got a picture with him while he's dressed like that, it's hilarious, someone commented. But, what if she was dressed as, if these two are together? What if she was dressed as Anne Hathaway from Interstellar or something? No, no, because she posted Kissing the Ground. Okay. And someone screenshotted in her Instagram story saying, take up space, which is exactly what Katy Perry said.

58:34Jackie Oshry:Right. While going to space. Oh, Katy Perry also had named her daughter Daisy. I know. I was going to say, shout out Daisy. She brought a Daisy to space. It was actually before. And do you know the song Daisy? No, I haven't listened to it. I've listened to Daisies by Justin Bieber. Everyone sent me that after it like first came out. Oh, I forgot about that. Oh, you have good songs. Like, there's actually a song named Ruby. It's really good. I think it's like by some band, like the White Stripes or something. It's good. Ruby was, you know how people love this list. They're like, baby names you love it won't be using i fucking hate those i never do those um i don't know why i have such an egregious like like uh stop posting those um but because it's triggering choosing a name is really hard well also because i'm like wait i like those names stop shouting them out for the world um but ruby was very very high up on our list for a girl now i won't be using it because you can't have like a daisy and a ruby it gets just like it's a bit like too many ies and y's and ee and like ruby and daisies are like flowers and diamonds and whatever anyways um gemstones ruby is james's uh great grandmother or something and it was really high up my list so oh that's nice almost did ruby but daisy daisy does have a lot of good you should listen to daisy by katie perry okay we'll do um i just want to say i think that orlando bloom like went to this random halloween party and this random girl was there and took a picture with him because like she understood the cultural context of course and oh to be clear i thought i think probably orlando bloom saw this girl in a blue space suit and a black wig and did not think for one second she was dressed up as katie perry she could have been anything she could have been like did she not really she didn't really like do too much like she just felt like she was wearing a space suit she's just wearing a blue cat suit and a black long wig i don't think he would have thought that she was dressed up as his and also like if he doesn't know her what color is her hair to begin with he might have just thought she was like an astronaut right and i don't know if katie perry and arlinda bloom have like bad blood from their breakup but they do share you know a daughter together and i don't think you would be like making fun of right it's not giving when katie perry was at her lowest like i think i don't think he's no i like that i just want to say i think this is a nothing burger i think this is this girl starting stuff like she yeah she saw an opportunity to do something extremely funny and she did yes and she did and yeah it's it's not giving um what's the ex of travis kelsey who's like keeps dressing up as like her caitlin nicole yes so much drama with caitlin nicole over the weekend just like the swifties the swifties found her tweets extremely homophobic oh i didn't see this oh really bad can't stress this enough so she She, yeah, she basically did this costume and like this, it was like, she was like the Swifties were starting stuff and she was getting like backlash for the costume.

1:00:54Jackie Oshry:And so she tweeted like protect black women always. So that took everyone to her Twitter. And when they went to her Twitter, they found really kind of crazy homophobic tweets. It was mostly homophobic, but there was also like some anti-black in there. So people were like, well, you're saying protect black women. it doesn't appear as though you protect black women um and it was it was really deactivated i don't know she's deactivated her twitter god giving twitter to i assume kayla's probably around our age like i got twitter when i was in like high school ninth grade or something and it was it was like the parents weren't on it so it was like a way to get off facebook when you would update your facebook status and like shannon is bored lol like you like then took to twitter and it was just a conscious stream of our thoughts as 15 year olds it's so fucking scary scary yeah When I went on Very Cavallari, they did a sweep of all of our socials.

1:01:45Yeah. How lovely of them. Yeah. Like, Love is Blind should do that. Or Love Island or whoever keeps having all these issues. But they made us, like, submit all of our stuff and all of our – we had to, like, pull our deep records. So, like, if you're trying to buy something on me, you literally can't because, like, they've already swept it all. And there wasn't anything too egregious. There was, like, a couple – For you. There was a couple, like, random things where they're like, meh. And I was like, okay, but you see what I meant there. And they're like, yeah, but meh. Just meh.

1:02:10Jackie Oshry:Shannon can I ask you a question like totally random not even addressing what you just said even though that is interesting thank you for sharing as a breastfeeding mama are you fucking starving all the time um not as hungry as I was pregnant thirsty so so like like Sahara desert but only when she's physically drinking from me or I'm yes you need water it's weird it's like and I try to explain it to James I'm like I need water like air I breathe it's like water is leaving my body and I physically have to have it right now I was way more hungry pregnant it and it actually is it's a problem for me because you have to keep eating to keep your supply up and I'm just like you know me I'm like a crackhead I'm like the energized brain I'm like and I'll like forget to like eat as much as I need to eat and then I'm like I am such a psychopath I'm like I only pumped like a quarter of an ounce less that time from that right titty I know I normally pump more than that and so it's like yeah I need to be better about it but I am hung I am always hungry I'm hungrier than pre-pregnant Shannon right of course so like you just can't relate to me needing to wrap the show right now because I'm so fucking hungry no but do you drink coffee in the morning yeah I've already had two yeah I guess I'm just like and then I pooped so like I'm really empty you're yeah okay well that's skinny as a needle you're gonna fall through the floor what you need right now are you worried about me I'm stressed Shannon guys if you've enjoyed what you've heard here today Shannon has a fabulous podcast a dear media production I'm called probably a podcast you can find it anywhere you get your podcast she does tons of guest interviews I know you're about to interview someone fabulous right now and that's really why you're dressed up that is um and lots of mama stuff pregnancy stuff baby stuff it's a fabulous podcast I highly recommend you want to dive into the archives sometimes I talk about getting fucked so sometimes she has a new comedy special out follow her on Instagram at oh did you change are you still probably Shannon it's probably Shannon just that's all it is my just my last name is Middleton on like the actual Instagram thing but no probably Shannon is on all my social your last name is Middleton in my phone too thank you for changing that I respect Matt you changed actually the last time we got drinks.

1:04:07Jackie Oshry:Thank you for respecting my marriage. And every time I go to find your name I'm like who's Shannon Middleton? I know it's tough. It's a tough sell. It's crazy. But we're trying to Yep. That's how you do. You have to commit. You do. You have to commit. You do Haley Bieber did. We don't remember her as Haley Baldwin. It's so true. Such a good point. Such a good point. Guys thank you so much for listening to the Toss of Millennium Morning Show where you deliver the fast-paced stories you need to know every Monday or Friday and you do to watch your videos on YouTube.

1:04:35Thank you Shannon for your time. Might I do Jax's part? Love ya. Bye. Love ya. Bye.

1:04:43Jackie Oshry:She recently updated it. What'd she do? Leave a message at the end. Oh yeah. I have heard that a couple times. I often think about the dear toaster that accidentally said I love you to her boyfriend at the time and we were like keep playing the dear toaster or keep playing love ya. Bye. Love ya. Bye. Yeah, I think about her often. Love ya. Bye. Leave a message. Leave a message.

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From the publisher

1. Kris Jenner Celebrates Her 70th Birthday with Famous Family and Celebrity Friends During Bond-Themed Party (PEOPLE) (25:29)

2. Kelsea Ballerini and Chase Stokes Spotted Holding Hands in Croatia Nearly 2 Months After Split (PEOPLE) (32:27)

3. Shay Mitchell launches toddler skincare line, sparking backlash (NewsNation) (46:46)

4. Kim Kardashian reveals whether she passed the bar exam as she seeks to become a lawyer (Page Six) (52:48)

5. Actress Rachel Lynn Matthews dresses as astronaut Katy Perry in Halloween photo with Orlando Bloom (Page Six) (56:11)

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