Feeling Jerseylicious with Liz Woods: Thursday, October 30th, 2025

19:51That's V-E-L-V-E-T-C-A-V-I-A-R.com. Code TOAST for buy one, get one free on phone cases, accessories, and more. Ready. Okay. First up, I feel like we talk about Dancing with the Stars every day. And I try to be like a little bit measured in my stories because there's like, I got like five stories today. And I only chose one because it's about Ashley Dupree. And I actually could talk about Ashley Dupree endlessly, not to, like, be annoying. It's somebody who grew up in New York City when the Elliot Spitzer. Like, it is so crazy. But she's, like, starting stuff. And I'm kind of, like, not on her side.

20:20Even though I like her message. Well, wait. What was her message? That, like, they weren't giving Alex good enough scores. Like, I agree. Okay. Well, she got a 39 out of 40. So she was coming for Cheryl, who gave her the 9. Everybody gave her 10. So Alex's stepmom, Ashley Dupree, is taking a dig at Cheryl Burke's appearance after the Dancing with the Stars scoring. So Ashley Dupree is clapping back after Cheryl Burke's score for the influencer on Tuesday night's episode of Dancing with the Stars. The nine remaining couples at the start of Dancing with the Stars Halloween night channel their best spooky energy.

20:48OK, they're just like being really verbose. What happened was that she got a 39 out of 40. Cheryl Burke was the only one who didn't give her a 10, thus the 39 out of 40. And then Alex Earl's stepmom, Ashley Dupree, former madam of Elliot Spitzer and other high net worth individuals, was alongside Alex Earle and her younger siblings, made it clear that she was not pleased with Cheryl Burke docking Earl one point and took to TikTok to share her targeted insult towards Cheryl Burke. So Dupre filmed her reaction as the judges held up their scoring paddles. And when Burke held up the nine, Dupre could be heard saying exasperatedly in the video, oh, go take more Ozempic.

21:23Dupre's children seemed confused by the messaging and can be heard clarifying with their mom, go take more Ozempic. And then Dupre doubled down saying, what, she looks weird. She doesn't even look like her. While Dupree has been open about her body transformation, it's never confirmed that weight loss came as a result of a GLP-1 medication. Instead, she told People Magazine that she's living a healthy lifestyle with a priority of health for her, but things changed once she entered her 40s. Okay, so whether or not she's on GLP-1 is, like, seriously not of relevance. The thing is, is, like, I actually liked Cheryl Burke as a guest co-host, guest co-host, guest judge.

21:55I thought she did a good job. I said that yesterday. And, like, she should have given Alex a 10 like everybody else was. and I like that Ashley is like you know riding for her stepdaughter Ashley's just like a tough person to like you should be starting beef when you have like that many like dramas in your closet you know what I mean? Yeah and it's um that was like an irrelevant part of that wasn't a good criticism. Right and also it was a week where Alex came out on the top of the leaderboard so like that's not a week to be starting stuff yeah and also the weird thing was this was a TikTok that she posted right?

22:28Yeah. It's not like she was caught in the background. Right. And I thought because when I initially saw it, I thought, oh, she was like on live and people screen recorded her. But no, she like said that and then posted it. I thought that that was a little crazy. And like, I think that we all have eyes and we know that like she looks different. But like she's addressed it. I don't know. It's just like it didn't have anything to do with what she said. And it was it was it was nasty. It was nasty. And also like I already feel like a little about Ashley Dupree's social media presence. Right. Like she is.

22:55I know that the family has healed. and I'm happy for them. I haven't. Like, it's so crazy to me how Alex and her family have just sort of welcomed in this woman. And I know they talked about it on Dancing with the Stars and when they have kids, like, yeah, it's really mature. But like for me, she's Ashley Dupree. Right. And so it's just her social media activity and the whole, like she's, this is negatively, but like I don't mean it negatively. Like writing Alex's coattails, creating, she has like a couple hundred thousand followers on TikTok and she's like becoming famous and whatever. And she's rewriting her own story, if you will.

23:26I don't love it. Yeah. And like I always think of like Alex's mom. Yeah. I just, I don't know. It's not my favorite. So for her to be like making news in a negative way. And also Alex is still on the show. Alex is still trying to win. And like you're not making it pargy for Alex. I can see Alex having been mad at this. But Alex wasn't mad, you know, at the affair. She got, right, right. She got an amazing score. And I thought that the, it didn't make her look good. And like you're saying, like those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Not that those two things are equivalent. They're not, but, like, once you put yourself out there like that, then you're just bringing up everything.

24:00That's why I don't feel like she should have any sort of, like, internet presence. I think it probably makes it hard for Alex. Yeah. Everyone's always bringing up this, like, very painful thing in her family's history. And so whenever she, like, pops up on my TikTok, I'm always like, ugh. Yeah, cringe. Do you think she got Alex's permission to, like, start influencing? Did she ask? She probably brought it up and just said, like, do you care that I – I think it probably happened somewhat naturally. Yeah. But, yeah, I don't know. Because there's, like, intrigue in the family. Yeah, as there should be.

24:24Yeah. It just like makes me mad for the mom. Yeah. Because I don't actually know the full background of this. So the father cheated on him. When I was in high school. Yeah. Not to make everything about me. Sure. When I was in high school, there was this huge scandal. And I remember it because my high school was right by Elliot Spitzer's apartment. And like literally there was pandemonium outside for weeks. And it turned out he was the governor of New York using like campaign funds to pay for prostitutes. Yeah. Escorts. Prostitutes. Oh. And the prostitute escort who worked with Elliot Spitzer, but then I think she also had like a couple of girls, was Ashley Dupree.

25:00She was the main one? Yes. And she also like had her black book was then released very like Desperate Housewives when that woman, you know. And in her black book was a bunch of like high net worth men in the area. Right. Alex Earl's father being one of them. Oh. They ended up falling in love. And now they literally like have like a very traditional. and all they had kids right um so he was stepping out on her mom with ashley i see and so the fact that they have all they all have dinner together like they are this healed family it's really crazy and alex is very very rarely spoken about it and even if i mean even the times where she did i don't think she really scratched the surface at like how deeply painful that was um and then on dancing with the stars she talked about how like she loves her little sibling so much because they healed her family like her family maybe not be in this like amazing place without the birth of these kids.

25:50So it's all really admirable. And Alex's mom, like, you know, goes on vacation. Like, it's really modern family to the next level. Could never be. Yeah. Yeah. It's her mom, I guess, is very like diplomatic. And oh, the mom is a fucking queen. Yeah. And then so the girl that Alex donated, donated, dedicated the dance to was her first born Ashley and her father. Right. Who like really healed the family. They say they wouldn't have gotten to this place without Isabel. Yeah. OK, so that is a really, really crazy story. It's a crazy story. I don't think that pray clues Ashley Dupree from like ever speaking on the internet, but she has to watch it a little bit.

26:25Yeah, and I don't think that this was, and it's all like, I think she thought it was good and safe because it's all in defense of Alex. Right, and maybe people thought, she thought people would think it was like funny and everybody saw what she looked like. We love to see her like, you know, standing up for Alex. Yeah. No. Yeah. Especially because like you said, Cheryl did a good job. I thought Cheryl was great. Yeah. And I've seen Cheryl's TikToks. I think I spoke about them once on, before I was into Dancing with the Stars. I spoke about them on the toast being like, because she used to date he's from Boy Meets World.

26:51Oh, Matthew Lawrence. And now he's dating 3LW. And they had a very contentious divorce and she was making like a lot of TikToks looking different. And so she made a lot of news about her appearance like a couple of years ago. So much so that it got to me. Like I don't even know these people. I don't watch Boy Meets World. So like it's just kind of like low hanging fruit for Ashley. I'm not a fan. Yeah. All right. Next up some Next Gen NYC. I haven't watched but I'm always keeping up with Next Gen NYC. I do think it has potential and I do think the show could get to a point where like I would watch it.

27:18Sure. Me too. But they need to like do better. And this is doing better. Brooke Shields' daughter Rowan has been spotted filming for Bravo's Nepo Baby show Next Gen NYC. So a spy tells us that they spotted Brooke Shields' daughter Rowan Henchy filming the Scion Heavy show last week. It was a scene at a holiday night's party hosted by members of the cast for the fashion chain Urban Outfitters. The show, which is filming its second season, stars reality star kids Riley Burris, Gia Judice, Brooks Marks, Ariana Bierman, as well as Damon Dash's daughter, Ava Dash, and others. And the Calvin Klein model shares Rowan with TV.

27:50The Calvin Klein model shares Rowan. Oh, Rowan's dad, like thanks for saying that weirdly, is TV writer Chris Henchy. I don't know him, but that's why her name is Rowan Henchy. Got it. She's a college grad, but she seems ready for the spotlight. She has 12 ,000 followers on Instagram, over 100 ,000 on TikTok. She's appeared on red carpets with her mom. She went to the White House Correspondents' Dinner, yada yada. So I actually think that this is a good casting. I think that they have like a couple of good things at Next Gen, but like not all of it's good. Yeah. I was really into the Ariana Bierman storyline.

28:20I think she's carrying the show. And you know her and her boyfriend broke up. Oh, did they? Yeah. Okay. Which is like kind of sad because I feel like her family life was falling apart. And like her boyfriend, like she had this really good relationship. I thought that they should and would get married. And he also offered financial stability, which I was excited about. Yeah. I feel like she needs stability. And you didn't watch the show at all. Like not one minute of it. Me neither. But I want them to do well. Yeah. I hate that Bravo can't seem to make a good reality show about New York City, aside from the original show, which hasn't been good in many years.

28:50There's so many interesting people here from so many different walks of life, so much money here. And the fact that they can't get arrested, I do think it speaks to, like, I always say this, people in New York with real money don't want to be famous. That's the difference from L.A. and New York. Real money in New York, they want no part of fame, especially reality TV. So it makes it hard to cast people. But there are plenty of rich, desperate people. I'm one of them. Like, yeah, I think that it's like adverse selection, like the people who would do the show are the people that like you wouldn't really want on a reality show.

29:17And like, what would you say was the reason that Rahoni original was successful and like bypassed this phenomenon? Well, it was the early days of reality TV. So like as viewers, we were just like we had less high standards. Right. They did have like wealthy people. Now they're all like strung out. But like Countess Luann was a countess de la seps. She had a townhouse on the Upper East Side. Like it was insane. She had a huge house in the Hamptons. Obviously, things are different now. Even Ramona and Mario, like, they lived on a classic six on the Upper East. Like, they didn't have the most money in the world, but they were very, very Zarin.

29:47Zarin was big. Big. But they were also women who had, like, literally nothing to lose. Like, they didn't really have businesses. They were housewives traditionally. Oh, you know, I just saw Terry Hatcher was on Skinny Confidential podcast. I saw that, too. And I just want to say, like, thank you for asking. And I don't love Terry Hatcher. I can't get into my Desperate Housewives thoughts. But I love that they asked her a question that like I have long wondered. Not enough people talk about like the entire Real Housewives franchise, especially just the name of it, was inspired and loosely based off of Desperate Housewives.

30:16And like where is Mark Cherry's financial compensation? And Terry Hatcher said like he deserves something because it's this huge billion dollar industry. And like literally he started it. Yeah, it's his idea. Not only that, but when you watch the very earliest seasons of Orange County, like even the themes and like the narration sounded like Desperate Housewives. The image. Yeah. Like, even to this day, every Real Housewives poster for a new season, they're holding diamonds, they're holding apples, they're holding oranges, depending on the city. That was the poster for Desperate Housewives. They were holding apples.

30:43Yeah. I mean, I'm sure, I guess he didn't own, like, the concept. Right. But it really, I mean, and it's the name. Everybody would say that it's from Desperate Housewives. No, it's not even a question of it is or isn't. It is. But the question is, like, do, does Mark Cherry get owed some sort of financial compensation? Here's another question. What else has Mark Cherry done? Like, is he okay financially? Oh, he's fine. Oh, okay. From Desperate Housewives. But he also, did you ever watch Why Women Kill? No. It was only like a two season show. It was amazing. Desperate Housewives is his big thing, but he definitely has like a million other shows.

31:13Okay. So we're not so worried about him financially. I'm afraid to ask this question. Did you watch Desperate Housewives? I watched like the first three seasons and when I was on my maternity leave. And then that was like when I realized Marsha Cross is Marsha Cross. She's so crazy. I actually couldn't watch anymore now. I know. I'm not the type to like just give up everything where somebody is anti-Israel because if I did, I would have nothing to watch or listen to. Right. But with this, it was it was like so egregious and it just gave me such a pit. She's insane. Yeah, she's wild. So. OK, so Jackie and I were having this conversation last night, like about some people like we had this conversation offline.

31:46There are some people like we just can't quit. Yeah, of course. And like whether they do or say that, even if it's about like Jews or otherwise, like some people I just can't quit. I forget who you're having the conversation about. Oh, I don't want to say it because like I don't want to quit him. Right. And it's just funny. Like, it's definitely selective outrage. You call it what you want. But it's also like, sometimes I just forget. Yeah. And sometimes the project is so, it transcends everything. This is Pardee. Like, I'm sorry, we were just talking about Billie Eilish, but Birds of a Feather.

32:11Like, I will never. I was skipping that song for a while. And then I remember, I think I posted or you posted. I can't remember. Like, one of us were like, chains free. I need to listen to this song. It's beautiful. I should suffer. Exactly. Because she's Fabissina. Right. And I'm just, I'm listening to a song. Right. I'm not like, not that I have that much power. but I'm not like I'm not going to her concert. It's a very small like financial contribution. Agreed. And it's fine. Yeah, it's fine. It's fine. I almost want her to be a billionaire. Just so that like you can call her out. Just so she can stop talking.

32:38Oh yeah, for sure. I don't think that. So I do think Next Gen is almost there. Like I also think I might be just too old for it. Yeah. Like Ariana Bierman's what? I mean this girl's 22. What am I watching a 22 year old for? Well, I think it's possible for things like that to be good but I think you've just outgrown Bravo in a lot of ways generally. I have. There are a lot of shows that like I used to live for that I just like can't watch anymore. It doesn't serve me. That's a fair point too. I also think like the concept of them doing Bravo nepo babies like was a good idea. But some like, and this is going to be mean and I don't mean it to be mean, but like some things like are just not going to be good.

33:16Like when Brooks Marks is a part of it. Do you know what I mean? Like it makes it just like fake. Oh, do you remember the time that I saw you at like leaving Zero Bond? To be clear, I wasn't at Zero Bond. Yes, yes, of course. There were so many people leaving that night. Kim being one of them. I saw you and I saw Brooks Marks and he was like, he loved the fan. We were like, we're not here for you. I know. Like, and that's what I mean. It's just, it's not a good fit. Yeah. And also it's to me, that show is so clearly cobbled together. We know that Real Housewives in general are cobbled together.

33:44Like these people aren't usually real friends with rare exceptions. But this was like, let's just put all of these people on a show. A random bunch of people who have quite literally never met. Right. So I find that, I find that hard to believe. Like you're telling me Brooke Shields' daughter and Gia Giudice hang out? Like they don't. They don't. They don't. All right. Next up, we have some White Lotus news. They have decided they're shooting season four in Paris and at the French Riviera at two five-star hotels. So they haven't officially confirmed which hotel. Variety has learned that Mike White Anthology will indeed next shoot.

34:15Why do people write like in this way? Just tell me where they're shooting. They've actively been scouting swanky locations in both Paris and French Riviera. So similarly to season three, how they were at Cosima, but then had like that storyline in Bangkok. They're going to be in the French Riviera, like south of France with a subplot in Paris, which I do kind of like. And I do think French Riviera, like I would have guessed it, but I thought it would be too obvious. Like south of France, like I don't know. I just thought they would do something different, but I guess they really don't want to do somewhere cold.

34:40Oh, OK. So like I don't watch The White Lotus. I know I literally come here and I was like, I'm just like like Claudia doesn't have to worry about me. Like I have institutional knowledge of all these things. I don't watch Next Gen. I don't watch it either, but I can talk about it. But I think that offers something good. It's kind of like when you and Jackie sometimes talk about football, and it's funny. An outsider's perspective. Right. I will say I know something about it, and I've been to the south of France. Oh, okay. Speak. So, I mean, I was there once. They should do it. They should do it.

35:11And it was my honeymoon, by the way. What better time. Yeah. They should do it at the hotel we stayed at because it was amazing, and it wasn't the classic one. Hotel Ducappe. I think they maybe would want to do it there because it's so quintessential. Also, didn't they have a partnership with the Four Seasons that ended? Oh, did it? Yes. I think that I saw that story. So now they have their free reign. Yeah. Yeah. I guess that was kind of limiting. And what does HBO owe this random hotel chain? Right. And they don't need the press, the Four Seasons. No. I mean, I would love to see some sort of statistic on how the White Lotus impacted.

35:43I mean, that Italian hotel with the Jennifer Coolidge season on the Vespa, you can't get a room at that hotel for years. I know the Maui one was like kind of everyone has been there and like it's like obvious, right? But nobody had really known about this like random small town in Italy. You will not be able to stay there for the next 10 years. I would love to see like a financial report on the impact of HBO on four seasons. And like that was such a random partnership. Yeah, but I mean it worked. Also, I have a question. Could I like watch season four having not watched the first three? Okay, it's a good question because Ben joined me this season and I think last season without having seen the earlier seasons.

36:16And while, yes, you can enjoy it, every season is a reset. Like, they cast new people. There are two or three characters who have started from the first season and work at all the different hotels because it's the same chain in the show. And it does seem like they're painting a larger picture with these random people who show up for mere minutes every season. So I would recommend watching the earlier seasons, especially because they're better. Like, the Hawaii season is definitely the best season. And then the Italy season is actually great, too. Okay. And then this most recent one, like, wasn't my favorite.

36:47Have there been three? Yeah, okay. So, I mean, what are you doing? Watch them all. Like, why are you so busy? I have this, like, this, I get mad when other people, like, like something so much. And then I'm behind on it. I'm like, forget you guys. I'm too stubborn now. Severance. Oh, yeah. No, I'll never watch it. So, Ben comes home. And he went, where did he go? He was on a plane. Oh, when we flew home from L.A., he flew home early. And he's like, I watched the most amazing show. I was like, have you ever heard of it? Severance? Like, it's the biggest show on television. I'm like, yes, Ben, I've heard of it.

37:16And he keeps calling it his plane show, which I like I know Ben. So like I know that's what he means. But he's talking to Margot. He's like this plane show. And Margot's like manifest. She had no idea what he was talking about. And he was like, it's called like Severance. He's talking about it like he found this like indie film. And he's only on the fifth episode. And I'm like, OK, I will join you. But we have to watch the first five episodes again. And he's like, well, I can't. So we're just like sort of at this standstill every night where I watched Love is Blind reunion last night. And he just scrolled TikTok for two hours.

37:41It was so annoying because Ben's scrolling TikTok. and I know I scroll TikTok but it's different when I do it. Of course. And his is all music. Oh. And so he'll turn to me and like show me these punk rock Taylor Swift covers and it's like I need you to stop. I don't care. I also don't really like those. I'm sorry. I agree. Respect to Blunge. I find them like everyone's always so moved by them and I'm like I don't know. Like the genre shifting for Taylor Swift like I'm good. I don't like it either. I completely agree. Does your husband scroll a lot? No. That's nice. He doesn't have any of these.

38:09What are you going to talk about? He doesn't have any of these apps. That's insane. No, I know. It's actually nice, though, because it means like when I'm making Instagram stories, I don't have to think about him like watching them. And that's really freeing. Not that like he's, you know, like he's going to do anything. That's a great question. Like you don't have to like fear judgment. No, I find it like creating really hard when there's people I know there's people I know watching it like way harder than if I'm just like speaking to an audience of anonymous people. That's why I love that Ben doesn't listen to the toast.

38:35Yeah. Some can let her rip. Some could see it as unsupportive, but I see it as freeing because I can make fun of him. I think that like listening to a podcast every day is crazy. And it is worth mentioning. I can't remember the last time I listened to an episode of The Good Guys. Maybe it was the one that I was on and I didn't even listen to it. I just experienced it. Yeah. And you hear so much about it when he comes home probably that you feel like you don't need to. It's so true. He was just like gabbing away the other day. I knew about all about John Stamos. Oh, yeah. That was a biggie. That was a biggie.

39:01Did you teach Jen Affleck put it on her story? Because he, John Stamos talked about her? Ben brought up Jen Affleck. I don't know why they started talking about Dancing with the Stars with John Stamos. but Ben was talking about it and then he was talking about how that Jen Affleck's on it postpartum and then John Stamos was like oh yeah she's like that cute girl right and I think she was like really excited that John Stamos called her cute never do anything ever again that's amazing today's episode of The Toast is brought to you by sax.com so it's that time of year I'm sorry when you think holiday you think sax whether you're going to a part G holiday event and you just want something cute to wear whether you're doing all of your holiday shopping for you know friends and family alike highly recommend taking your talents to sax.com not only is it just the most user-friendly, fun way to shop, they make it so fun and easy.

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43:47I didn't even know that he had a podcast. So it's not like he's a major contender in the podcasting sphere. But this was a really big deal. And he used it as an opportunity to be funny. And I really appreciate that. So the Duke of Sussex was hilariously asked about what he thinks about Taylor Swift and Charlie XCX's feud on the Hasan Minhaj Doesn't Know podcast. And then the host introduced the topic by warning Harry that it was a very heavy topic. He intro'd it really funny. He explained it really funny. And Harry just sort of like stood there dumbfounded. And I just want to say like nothing Harry.

44:17Last name? Windsor? Harry. I was going to say Stiles. What is his name? Are they Sussex? Nothing Prince Harry does. does like makes me laugh, smile, or even feel a remote ping of joy. I just think he's the most insufferable loser on the planet. But you know what? This is funny. I thought he was funny too. Yes. It takes two to tango. Yeah. These are two people who I don't normally like find intriguing or funny. Slade. Not only that, but I don't think that many people like mainstream are talking about the Charlie Taylor thing besides you guys. It's true. It's very internet chronic online. So not only was he like talking about this, but he was talking about it with Harry.

44:50I thought that that was hysterical. Me too. and like there really isn't much to talk to Harry about like obviously if I had him on this podcast I would ask him but you're not allowed right? the publicist so you can't talk about Megxit you can't talk about the things that are interesting so he was probably scraping the bottom of the barrel for things to talk about because like you can only talk about mental health for so long and I appreciate like Hassan getting creative and it's funny it is funny and I think also I wonder what like Harry makes of Taylor because because William is a big Shake It Off fan of course and there's so many like lines that are weird that's actually really true True.

45:22Okay, not us like being able to make it like interesting and dramatic. Oh. That's a really good comparison. And also bringing up Taylor Swift like at every opportunity. Now, I think I know the answer to this, but what do you make of the Charlie XCX Taylor Swift beef? I feel like the exact same way as you guys. I mean, there are some parties on both sides of these that I don't like, but for the most part, I'm team Taylor. Yeah. Did you feel at all like it was kind of punching down a Taylor? Yes, so I always wish she didn't address it because like it makes Charlie relevant and like puts Charlie on Taylor's level and she's literally not.

45:52But like Taylor's mad and I support mad women. There's nothing like a mad woman. What a shame she went mad. I think that Taylor, like my beef with Taylor often is that she's bringing up beef where I'm like, girl, you won. I know. It's so over. The fact that she's still making songs about Kim and Kanye. Like, oh, how the mighty have fucking fallen. But also like she doesn't need to. I know. She won. I think it's like clear as anything. I always say that her last flex should be going to the Met Gala. Yeah. Because it's, you always say it's Kim's bat mitzvah. It's a Kardashian sweet 16. Nobody would care about Kim.

46:26I mean, actually, I think inside people would maybe be more hostile to Taylor because I think there are people there. She has a lot of enemies in the industry because everyone's jealous of her. And she's like, look, he has beef with a lot of people. Of course. But like Billie Eilish does attend. Yeah. Charlie XCX does attend. Karla Kloss does attend. Oh, yeah. Oh, you posted something really interesting on your story that I feel like not enough people are talking about. Gigi Karla. Yes. And you said like, I feel like this is a reach, but it's not. No. Gigi Adige sharing on her Instagram story.

46:51So Karlie Klaus posted, Gigi has like a cashmere line. And I guess they make like kid stuff and Karlie just gave birth. So Karlie posted on her story like, oh my, it's so cute. Baby's wearing this guest in residence. That's the name of her brand. And tag Gigi. Gigi reshared it being like so cute. That's crazy. It's crazy for two reasons. One, Taylor, Gigi, Karlie. Two, politically, there's some Israel, Palestine. Yes, Kushner. Right, exactly. So, and I don't know which Gigi was fine with like doing away with first. But I thought that that was like crazy. And I, like I said, I really don't care to post about Gigi on my story, but I was like, this is wild.

47:25I think about that a lot with Gigi and her ex-former step-half sisters, the Fosters. Yeah. And like, do you think Gigi watches nobody wants this? I don't know. But like, I think after October 7th and all of the, you know, the Israel stuff, like I think after is when the Fosters went on Watch What Happens Live and said, like they speak to her. Yeah, Sarah, yes, she did. I do think like, I don't know, people's like personal lives and personal like politics or whatever, do you can, I think, still be friends and family with them. But it's awkward because like they're in the public sphere and they're so opposite.

47:56They are the public sphere. Yeah, it's so true. So yeah, that was wild. Do you think it's possible that Gigi and Taylor are? I mean, I would love that. I'm like, I can't hide my smile. I have long said that I think Taylor, like one of my greatest criticisms is her. It's like, if I was her, I would be like, the people she's friends with, celebrities, are the last people on earth I would be friends with. Like, I just don't vibe with any of her selections. Mm hmm. And yeah, I except I don't think it would be good for Taylor to lose another long term friend. I don't think it would make Taylor look good like Blake Lively and her.

48:25Obviously, Blake Lively is a villain. So nobody thinks Taylor's wrong for that. But, you know, the girl who like loses all of her friends, you're like, well, there's something wrong with the girl, not the friends. I think people already say that whether or not it's true. Yeah. Yeah. But like and I don't love Selena, but I think her longstanding friendship with Taylor like makes them both look good. Like it's nice to have people who have no friends. Like there's something weird about you. And I think Taylor feels really strongly that like she shouldn't not be friends with people because of their public presence, which I think is fair.

48:51Because there was a time where Taylor's public presence was really negative. And I think people didn't want to be friends with her. And that really deeply hurt her. That's why for so long, I know everybody says I'm like a denier, but I did not believe that her and Blake were not friends anymore because the idea that Taylor would be on the outs with somebody who's publicly being canceled is so I think goes against Taylor's philosophies. Totally. And a part of me still kind of believes that they're going to be like, psych, we're still friends. I don't think so. I know. But I was, I think that, I think the reason that that friendship ended allegedly is, is deeper than like the public, what the public perception was.

49:23Because I really do think Taylor would stand by her friend through anything. And I do think some of the things that we've heard about, like the lawsuit affecting her have been true or some version of that has. And it's worth mentioning Taylor has like a lot of friends, but Blake is like different. She's the godmother. Like they're so deeply connected. They are. I mean, I like I thought somebody tweeted that she didn't want to release the Reputation re-record because Blake Lively's daughter did the voice and Gorgeous. And like she Taylor and doing her Taylor's versions would bring back people. Which, by the way, people don't talk about that enough, like that all these people came back.

49:54I mean, she's Taylor Swift, but still. But yes, the longstanding relationships. It's impressive. It is impressive. And that like one of the daughters does the intro to Gorgeous. And so she just like didn't want to do it because she didn't want to have to deal with it. Yeah. Yeah. That's actually a good point. It's it's it's sad. And like there's all those videos of her with the kids at the tour. So I can't wait for like her bachelorette party content because we're going to see. Because then we'll really see like who's who. And I think we're going to see it. But to go back to your former point, I really would love and kind of need Taylor to go to the Mac Gala.

50:21I know. Especially because like I was going to use like a Taylor Vogue cover. Like whatever happened to that. Vogue is the reason Taylor has bangs, you know. And so I would love that. Yeah. I think she and Travis need to do it. Just one. Yes, absolutely. And it's very like Giselle and Tom Brady. Totally. I love. Yeah. Okay, our fifth and final story is the Love is Blind reunion. So Megan Sparkle Waleris, I guess she has a last name. Her first name is Sparkle and her last name is Megan. And I do wonder if she regrets sharing just that little nickname. I don't know if she knew that Netflix was going to run with it and just literally put her name title as Sparkle.

50:53But she has confirmed, last night was a reunion, that she welcomed a baby during the off season. So she said, I'm a mom now. I had a baby boy two and a half months ago. I have a little boy and he's my whole world. You know, I now know more than ever that I was meant on this earth to be a mom. He's amazing. Our family's really happy. They obviously asked, like, who's the daddy? And he was in the audience. He's a baldini. He's so cute. I'm so happy for her. I actually, when I saw him, I gasped because I was like, that's a man. And that's the guy from the pictures, the paparazzi pics. And you can tell he's rich, like, just by his vibe.

51:23Thousand percent. So I'm a little bit older, too. Yeah, I'm happy for her in that sense. I do. I agree with you 100 percent where you were just like, Jordan offers her something that she couldn't find with the other people. And I thought him saying that was such a slay. He was like, all of the other guys that were rich, like, didn't work out. They didn't work out. And that was for a reason. Maybe it was like a little cutting to her, but I thought that was so on point. And I feel like this guy that she's with, like, they might not be together if they didn't. She said, like, it wasn't easy. Like, I don't know if it's this great love.

51:48Yeah. I think if anything, like, he maybe makes her Miss Jordan. Maybe. I, like, ship them so hard. I thought that the way that they also handled their, like, confrontation was so mature. And I wondered also, like, is that because they both have kids? Like, these are people who, like, they can't deal with, like, these petty things. Yeah. I had a problem with almost everybody else at the reunion. Same. Oh, my God. Like, that couch with the girl whose name I don't know. Madison. Like, such loser energy. Nobody was agreeing with me when I was – by the way, I was posting about how Casey, I thought she's a very unsympathetic character.

52:22I really didn't like the way that she handled the situation. That said, like – I rode with her last night. The way Patrick was, like, acting like her dad. Okay, so Patrick was, like, living for the fact that people on the internet – he was the victim, right? because she didn't handle this breakup poorly well at all and I was not on her side so he got like you know you either die the hero live long enough to become the villain like he loved that people were like riding for him and he was like regurgitating internet points just like throwing them at her face and he's like listen I'm gonna give you the chance yeah like her dad exactly gonna give you the space to apologize so like you can stop getting hate and I'm sorry ick of the century talking about the ring like why the fuck would you want a ring it's for girls Like, thank you, Casey.

53:02Or who was it? The nurse, Allie. You didn't pay for it. Like, Netflix did. So Casey absolutely should keep it. If anyone's going to take it back, it's Netflix. Ick. Get out of here. Like, what are you going to wear it? Yeah. Also, it's like I was sitting there being like, everyone stop being poor. Like, they wanted the ring because why did you want the ring? And yeah, shout out to Allie for bringing that up. Again, like, Casey kept saying things during the reunion where I was like, like, where she was, you couldn't tell whether she was lying about being with those other guys. She's not someone I was like going hard for.

53:33But because he was so awful. Yes, he was awful. I was 100 % on her side in that confrontation. Yeah, a thousand percent. Like I could not stand him. And then that Chris Paul thing. What was that? Genuinely what? Do you think, Chris asked me, do you think they paid him? Or do you think Chris Paul's like a big Love is Blind fan? There's literally no way he's a big Love is Blind fan. But how much money do they have? I have no idea. Or, or Chris Paul has a Netflix show coming out. Like a something. Oh, it's that. Cross promo. Yeah, it's that. what on earth it was crazy and the fact that they never let it end no like i was like okay it's like fine just make your shot but then they both like kept tying so they had to like go four rounds like seriously what was that that was crazy to include awful i will say i actually like the music is that crazy oh no i mean last season they had alex warren and this they get good people i don't dislike it at all i thought it was like cute it makes the event actually probably a little more fun for the people there and like i know that you're more of an industry person so you probably know that going to tapings of those things like miserable, miserable, make it a little fun for the people.

54:34And I didn't think it took up too much time. The reunion was actually an hour and 14 minutes. It could have been 50 minutes. Yeah. But it wasn't bad. It wasn't egregious. No. When there are so many people like you do want to give like proper time to each storyline. I could not believe how much time we spent on that blonde girl. And I guess she was involved in like two love triangles. So like she wasn't irrelevant, but she was not on my screen past episode three or before. Why was she the entire reunion? And I'm sorry, Madison has a little bit of Patrick syndrome where she was definitely like the injured party.

55:05Yeah. And you get high on your own supply when everyone on the Internet is gassing you up and then you just become insufferable. So sorry, like I'm team Joe. Right. I agree. Joe is hot. I was going to say that, but I thought it was crazy because like I'm not a mustache girl. Me neither. But like I thought it made him look like just older and better. No, he's hot. And you know he like fucks. Like he had like a million girls. And he was with Avery and then he was with Casey and then he's with Madison. Like obsessed. I think with Madison, it was at first I was totally on her side because it's I can't imagine something more also something more painful than like the guy not liking you because of the way that you look.

55:35And I just want to say, I thought that, too. But upon further reflection, I actually think like Nick, well, at first he was like, wait, this girl's not my type. I actually think he was really into her. He said all we did was fucking fight. Like, yeah, I actually think he was surprised by how attracted he was to her, given that she wasn't his traditional type. So I think the reunion was actually quite flattering for Nick because I now no longer think I can never remember Kevin I can never remember who their names are I actually think the reunion was quite good for him because when he when they were talking about how they went out after and they made out and he started crying yeah I'm sorry the allegations that he wasn't into her or that he didn't find her attractive are false I I feel like they are false I think the reunion was actually really good for him I do think he really liked her I think she was insufferable as a partner yeah I agree.

56:25And they weren't a match. She kept saying like, and why did you kiss me? Like that was really confusing. It's like, well, did you not kiss him back? Also, like he's not allowed. You're allowed to go through your feelings, exercise, like things you, he's not. Yeah. She didn't know how to be the victim. Yeah, she was insufferable. And then her and that other girl next to her were like gassing each other up. Oh my God. Hated. I did not like it. You know who like Loki came off looking good and did not have a good season? Who? Annie. Oh my God. Well, she fixed her hair, first of all. Well, of course.

56:52Imagine how good it feels to, like, look amazing after people come for you on the internet. Especially because, like, they were right. But it was mean. Her hair was crazy. But it was also, I feel like people had a little bit more license to criticize her hair because she is a hairdresser. I know. But, like, it affects her business. I don't know. Of course. Of course. But you are a walking advertisement. Of course. I thought she was amazing. I thought she was mature. The fact that she came to Nick's defense, who was literally self-flagellating. Like, he was so sorry. And I really believed him. I did, too.

57:19Maybe I'm, like, gullible or naive. No, he's not an actor. No. Like, it's just a regular person. And I think, like, he seems like a religious person. So I really thought, like, okay, this is a - They were thoughtful apologies. Yeah, he felt sorry. And he didn't like the way that he looked. And, like, that's all he can do. He can't prove it any other way. And this girl, Kate, was like, I don't know. It could still be, like, not genuine. But she was so put off by this insanely mature, genuine, thoughtful apology that the only thing she knew how to do was, like, say that. Well, maybe. I don't know.

57:48That was the biggest, loser-iest moment ever. Yeah. And I didn't watch the last 10 minutes. I mean, I did. But like I was so long to get to KB and Edmund and which is almost not fair because they were actually engaged. And they're one of the very few couples who actually made it to the end of the altar. But I was just so over the reunion by that time. And I don't know. It's very much. He said, she said. I hate when people talk so heavily about things that happen off camera. Like, I want to believe you, but I didn't see it. I yeah I think that the people who are saying that he probably like shouldn't have been on the show were on to something yes and I think Jackie came away like really hating him and really being on KB's side and like I just don't agree with that I think that when there's such like an a clearly uneven relationship yeah I'm not really gonna like side with the person who's giving a laundry list of things even if they're true I know I'm sure they are I'm sure he was doing xyz and he kept saying like oh well you know I but I love you like he was toxic however like to me she was clearly more emotionally mature than him and she could just regulate her emotions too so I thought it was really good that she said like I know everyone's giving me shit like because he was exactly who he was in the pods but she only heard his voice she's like I didn't see him being so animated and so emotional like I didn't even realize he was crying you can't see you can just hear and I actually appreciated that because he was himself the entire time himself was just like a little nutty yeah I thought that That thing out of her bra, like, wasn't a sleigh.

59:09She did say, though, she was like, it's not like that. Yeah, no, she said, like, I just have a hard time remembering things. But I don't know. What's to remember? Like, this was an engagement. Yeah, and she liked, that's her thing. She likes having, like, a list and data to back up. Which, by the way, like, there's something to be said about that. Because when you're in the heat of an argument, it can be hard to, like, remember the things that you're thinking of. But, yeah, whenever people, like, bring receipts to a reunion, it was like, the first time somebody did that, it was such a sleigh. I don't know who it was.

59:31I don't know who it was either. but obviously there are moments where it's like huge. Yeah. Candace and the, Monique and the binder. Oh my God. From Potomac. Was that the season where they had like a fight? Yes. The physical fight. And then of course Ramona printing out screenshots. Like those are iconic moments. Now it's like a trope. Yeah. Like walking off. The first person to ever walk off, Ramona Singer. When they were talking about Alex McCord's nude photos. Oh, her photos, yeah. And she just walked off and Andy was like, where are you going? She's like, oh, I don't want to be a part of it.

59:55Be a part of nude photos. Like, lol. Did you see last night she went to a Halloween party? if you're not following Ramona Singer on social media, you aren't living. She posted the most crazy fucking video. She went to a Halloween party. Okay. And she said, guess who I'm dressed up as? And I was like, well, you're obviously Joan Rivers. Oh. Turns out she was Marilyn Monroe. And then I didn't know until she was like, happy birthday, Mr. President. Oh, Ramona. She is a caricature. Put her back on TV. I've had enough. Yeah. Like, okay, we get it. She's not woke. Okay. Like, it's fine. She's so fucking crazy.

1:00:26I saw her on the street the other day. She looks amazing. Yeah. It's insane that she's like almost 70. She's a star. Whether we like it or not, she is our problematic star. Put her back on TV. Yeah, she brings something that people aren't bringing these days. It's so true because she don't give a fuck. And she also does not live on planet Earth. Yeah. Which I think is a really important key factor in being a good reality star. Totally. I agree. Liz, is there anything else you want to talk about, promote, dive into before we wrap up today's episode? I don't think so. I think we covered the topics.

1:00:53We did. You can follow me on Instagram and TikTok at Liz P. Woods. I also posted today that I'll be moderating an event on behalf of the Jewish National Fund, which you can find the link to on my stories if you want to go and swirl it up with some other fellow Jewesses. Swirl it the fuck up. And that's it. I'm so grateful to be like part of the rotation. Let me just say, if you're not following at Liz P. Woods, spelled exactly how it sounds, on Instagram, like you aren't living. I know you work so hard on your Instagram stories. And so I just feel like I always need to gas you up. Like if I had to follow one person, it would like be Jackie and my family and then you.

1:01:26not Ben though like I would follow you before Ben honestly Ben like his content doesn't do it for me he doesn't post that much he doesn't and like I don't know I just like what you post I need to know like in a biological sense sure so I highly recommend everyone following at Liz P. Woods on Instagram thank you so much for being here I'm sure you'll be back again because like you're a crowd favorite and like why if it's working you know like if it's broke why fix it if it's not broke yeah thank you guys so much for listening to the Justin Linner Morning Show where you do the fastest stories you need to remember Monday through Friday and YouTube so you're watching news on YouTube.

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