For The Girlies and The Boys with Kevin Clancy: Tuesday, May 27th, 2025

29:16Right. So I do agree that like, even though I'm not like obsessed with him and this doesn't change how I feel about him and I still wouldn't be like a fan. I don't want to listen to his podcast. Like, I do think when you get into the weeds here, like he did less wrong than her. And I think when that New York Times article came out of like what of her side, you know, it came out like over Christmas and it was like, oh my God, the tide, the pendulum totally swung in her direction. It was like so good for her. And then so quickly it all unraveled. There's also a difference between like if you're going to sling mud and it's like a he said, she said of like gossip is one thing.

29:47But when you get hit with like a sexual harassment, like assault charge or accusation, at least that's a whole different game. Yeah. It's like, OK, we can talk about who was like a diva on set or unprofessional. But like now you're saying that I assaulted you or something. That's a whole you better have like real proof on that. That's like a life ruin or career ruin or if it's true. And things got so bad for him after that article. Like, of course, he's going to stop at nothing to get his good name back. Right. So I think now in hindsight, they should, even though things were bad for Blake Lively last summer and she was going through like a period of unpopularity and like, you know, I think that was better than what's happening now.

30:24Because even someone like me last summer, I was like, you know what? Even if she's a diva, I don't care. Like, that's not a crime. Like, now we know. She's not the first, not the last. the most beautiful woman in the world who's married to Ryan Reynolds and has a perfect life. It's super like down to earth normal. Yeah. But that's also why I can't believe that her and Ryan Reynolds, because he's now became like part of this, like whatever is at stake is not worth this. Yeah. Like I know that, I feel like the underlying thing was actually them trying to take the rights to the movies. To the movie and then so they can make this sequel.

30:55Sure. And I'm sure that is wildly profitable and there's a lot of money on the line, but like it is not worth this. You have kids, kids you have taylor swift you have like literal subpoenas all it's just like you guys are rich and successful just let this die or yeah or pull the plug and be like all right never mind and like your egg on your face but just go back to your awesome life yeah this and like just leave us sort of like in the dust of confusion and now it's messing with marvel and yeah all that's like and i think the whole industry like nobody wants to touch this with a 10-foot pole like i think that the movie and people forget that there was a movie based on like the most popular book of the last five years like it should have been nominated for that golden globe of like box office movies and like the oscars of like success it was so successful and like i didn't watch the movie i did read the book but i have i i watch the movie no i i have not watched or read the book uh i i feel like that issue almost got like skirted because of the celebrity drama but I feel like at least everything I learned about it was that Colleen Hoover and Blake Lyley like the way they approached that and made it into like this rom-com thing yeah like I really don't like Justin Baldoni's grift but the fact that he was like working with the women's shelters and the foundations and all that felt like he was taking that topic more seriously than like grab your flowers and go with your girlies and I was like this is about abuse you know it was a very strange correct but i will disagree with you on just that point because something that made the book really good is like you're reading the book and you think it's a colleen hoover love story like and the domestic violence like kind of is so surprising and also confusing at first that you have to like you sort of go through this journey like the main character does of like wait what was that like was that an accident like and i understood why they didn't want to promote the movie as like being about domestic violence because it's not like a spoiler but it does take away from the experience of like watching it unfold watching it unfold which contributed to like how it's not so cut and dry at first like she something happens and it could have been an accident and then it's just like it's gray and then it's not so I understood why the they wanted it to not be all about that because the book like isn't really like that so that was something that she did that and the studio had said like we don't want you to promote it as a move so when she didn't that didn't bother me but I understand how it looks right and especially when one guy is going like so far the other direction that was like him just I think being like the worst yes yes but still not a sexual harasser perhaps right it's also one of those things like if you do a good thing for the wrong reason it's like was he really like I think he brought a bunch of survivors and victims to the premiere and like donated and that's all very good things I think he's doing it for his part of his grift but is it if you make those people happy Yeah.

33:46So, but then that all kind of falls by the wayside once you go into the, I mean, the drama of the website and the text messages. Yeah. And I was reading like 150 pages of text messages. I was like, what am I doing right now? I know. It got so dramatic. And I just, I just feel like, and Ryan Reynolds kind of gets pulled in and he goes kind of from like the golden boy to like everyone kind of. I think he's sus. He, he's just such a one. I used to always think he was sus. And then when this actually all started to happen and I never was like obsessed with her, like I never really thought about her.

34:17But then I felt really defensive of them. I'm like, this is a nice couple. Like they don't deserve this. Like no one does. Right. And now I'm back on the sus train. I mean, it's almost a shame that Baldoni is such a slimy dude because if he was just like a good person, I think it would be like open and shut. Yeah. You guys are being horrible to this guy. but I mean and then the Taylor Swift wrinkle is like the most dramatic of all that's the latest so last week and we had shared that he had subpoenaed Taylor Swift he heard that she had these like threatening messages from Blake's team saying like you need to come out and publicly support me or else I'll like show these messages that you sent did you before we do this did you believe like there was that news cycle of like Taylor wants her out like she's no longer friends the dragon comments Right.

35:06For a long time, like, no, because I feel like everything that they say about her that's like conjecture is just wrong. I even saw a headline today that's like Taylor Swift seemingly celebrates Justin Baldwin because she went out to dinner. So she had dinner and so she's celebrating someone's legal win across the country. I mean, the dots that we can connect are. I mean, people just make up stories. People just make them up. It's like fan fiction. It really is. Just making things up. But like Blake is the godmother or Taylor's the godmother of Blake's children. Taylor writes songs about her children.

35:33Like, I think that that's a friendship that's harder to break. than just like someone who's composing an inconvenience and getting bad press. Here's also what I, I mean, I don't know too much about her songs. I know that she's had the kids like. In names in the songs. And also like their voices. The gorgeous. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, so you know that. Yeah, yeah. But. I don't know that. But making Taylor Swift, making anybody the godmother of your kids three times, I think is a little weird. Like I almost feel like that's a one way thing. Oh. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. She wants Taylor Swift to be the godmother.

36:06Again, I'm making fan fiction here. I don't know. But it just feels like in doing it myself, it's kind of like you do like your sister and then her brother. And it's like, I think you want Tyler Swift to be the godmother of your kids. And she did it like a bunch and wants to be. I could say, I want Taylor Swift to be the godmother of my kids. And all of a sudden we're so close. Taylor Swift can say no. You know, you call up, you want to be the godmother of kids. We've already done this twice. I don't want to. No, you just keep, you know. So part of me almost feels like that was. It was like a clout.

36:30Yes. Like she's very. You wouldn't think Blake Lively is looking for clout. But when you're talking about attaching yourself to that one, like, yeah, that's the most cloud of all. So, I mean, I really I don't know anything about their relationship other than like they went to a football game once together and the godmother stuff. But I would be if it was me and you're calling me dragon and like talking about that and using me and like your shit, I'd be like, I don't like that. Yeah. My thought was like they were so such good friends. This was just like my feeling, like such best friends, like a sisterhood, almost that like there's nothing that that person could do that would surprise you.

37:02So like when, like I would ride for any of my friends, even if they are objectively wrong, but like I would think that they're right because that's my friend. Like I, like we think the same, we do the same. So like to drop like a lifelong friend, because it just doesn't feel congruous with like true friendship. Right. So maybe to your point, they weren't as good of friends. But I do think she was like Taylor's strongest celebrity friend. Like, you know, she has Abigail. She appeared that way. Yeah, like she was always like she's been around the longest in forever and so much so that their families are like intertwined.

37:35So that was what was surprising to me. But I guess maybe the friendship just wasn't what we thought it was. I also think you reach a point with a girl like Taylor Swift who like disappeared for a couple of years, went through hell, Scooter Braun stuff. And then you come back and you've, you know, made it basically like beat everybody, beat Kanye, beat Scooter, all that. and then all of a sudden there's like this chance that this movie and this guy and all this shit might tear you down or you get involved in a lawsuit or whatever I would be very quick to be like keep me though I want to be excluded from this narrative like I'm not risking it for all this you know what I mean yeah but I think if it was like a better friendship yeah yeah like for like a sisterhood I think we'll find out if then yours is moral compass is like I wouldn't drop my friend because of what people are saying especially if you believe her story and she's at the level where she can do what she wants this won't ruin her reputation, like even if she's like in the muck with them, I think people also can see through that they're sort of using her name to like every time her name's in the case, like we're talking about it.

38:33So I just feel like it's not like her celebrity status is so precarious. So like she has no, I can't have a whiff of scandal. You know, there are people out there. There's the Candace Owens of the world who like, you know, latched on kind of like looking for an angle to tear down Taylor. I don't think it will happen. But if there was even a chance or I had to go through that or whatever, I don't think this would be like, well, yeah, I agree with that. But anyway, so the tea this morning is that apparently the insider and then last week, Justin Baldoni's team like rescinded their subpoena of Taylor.

39:00Yeah. So, OK. Then Page Six is reporting this morning that the insider who leaked Blake Lively's alleged threat to release Taylor's private text has been revealed. And they're saying it's her father, Scott Swift. He reportedly drama. I didn't see that when I thought it was going to be like some publicist. I was like, this is smelly here. Yeah. But no, he reportedly went to Justin Balnone's team with the bombshell claim that Blake Lively threatened to leak his daughter's texts. If the pop star did not publicly support her in the ongoing feud with her, it ends with us co-star. The Daily, an insider alleged to the Daily Mail on Friday that Scott Swift did not want his daughter to be dragged into this any further.

39:37And he voluntarily gave up this information as part of a deal that would include Justin's team withdrawing their subpoena for Taylor. Well, looks like that happened. Girl, dad, let's go. Yeah. I mean, I'm sure there's a world where, like, Scott is his name. Scott Swift should probably just stay out of her business. She's a multi-billion dollar enterprise, whatever. But, like, if that was me, if that's my daughter, and, like, I know that that's going on. And I think, like, he works on her team. Right, so he's not just, like, a dad who's sticking his nose where it shouldn't be. Yeah. I have no problem with him riding like that and just being like, I'm not letting you get my girl like that.

40:13No, I kind of like it, too. Yeah. like I'm sure Taylor and Tree Payne everybody doesn't want like the family out there but I think there's like they should almost lean into this in a way and be like yeah like daddy's little girl is not going to be like exploited extorted none of that shit no and like if it was Tree then it goes sort of back to like this manipulative PR narrative of like you know she's like pulling the puppet strings her and Taylor but when it's just a dad protecting his daughter it's just love it's just like you're love it's just love yeah I mean I also is it like the lawyers or was it blake lively you know was it like blake lively's lawyer talking to taylor swift or taylor swift lawyers saying i do need you to publicly support us because that's also it's being characterized as like blake lively texted taylor if you don't publicly support me yeah that's very different than lawyers doing what lawyers do trying to like win the case you know but also like it going through lawyers is kind of even more escalated like because it just has a like when you want to tell your friend something you just like text them and even if you come up like a crazy like you send a rage test like that's how friends friend yeah yeah i wouldn't have my lawyer tell my friend's lawyer that my friend needs to do something right that's where i i feel like if that's the road this has gone down either there wasn't that close of a friendship or if there was it's it's gone now yeah doing lawyers like that and your dad is out here like defending you i love that i think that's awesome i think it's really cute and i i mean it's it's i think Baldoni's lawyer, what's his name, Brian Steele, I think is very smart.

41:42Oh, you know the lawyer? Yeah. Gorgeous. You're like, I'm very happy to be here because I'm like, I can talk about all these things that nobody on my show cares about. But like, I think he is, I think it's very smart to pose this at least as like, we don't want to bother Taylor. You know what I mean? Like, we got what we need. You don't need to be involved. And then it's almost like she's on your side, if you will. Like, I think he's been playing it very, very smart so far. Yeah, and it looks that way as long as nothing worse happens. Every time someone does something right, it gets totally...

42:16Swings back the other way. When I saw what was supposed to be a bombshell clip of Baldoni, this was when the cameras were rolling. And it was like, I don't know, that looks like a kissing scene in a movie. None of the smoking guns were really smoking guns. No, yeah. I totally agree. Those clips just made me never want to watch another movie. Yeah, I was like, you're slimy and smarty. It's weird, like you're both married and you're kissing each other. and like even when the cameras are stopped rolling you're still holding each other. Do you think there's any of that going on? That they're like, they were in, well, that could have been, some people say like that's how it started.

42:48She had a crush on him. I really don't think it's that juvenile. I think it's more so about stealing the second movie. But no, I feel like you like hold that, like actors are just weird and seeing those clips like just made me realize that even more so. It's just a weird profession. It's reality show. You know what I mean? It's like it's all just for appearances and attention and all that. But I also when I talk about it, people are, you know, a lot of the guys traditionally are like, who cares about this gossip? And I can't get it. But also you're talking about if you like movies and you like Hollywood and it's like this was kind of like a hostile takeover of a movie and book series.

43:20Like, that's interesting to me. Yeah. This is all rooted in business and money and like, you know, trying to take the rights. I think there's something whether you're, you know, yeah, Hollywood gossip. It's like this is business. Yeah, I agree. High level. It's very interesting. In the weeds every single day. Not my favorite. But we go like we're probably once a week around here. Little update. Next story was some big news from last week that we absolutely have to talk about because Justin Bieber like is what I mean, the overall question is always what's going on with him. But especially so because Haley Bieber was on the cover of Vogue.

43:55She had a beautiful Vogue spread. She did some hysterical videos with Vogue. Just like such a beautiful moment for her in general for any woman. She talks about her postpartum experience, pregnancy. It was just an amazing interview. I'm sure you saw the videos of her with like the tincture and like just overall, like couldn't have a negative thing to say about it until her husband chimed in with the world's weirdest Instagram caption. I would call it not a great one. Not a great one. So Justin Bieber posted the cover to his Instagram, pretty much recounting a memory of a fight that they had. And he had said, hold on, let me get the quote here.

44:35He said, yo, this reminds me. Yo, yo is like almost the worst part. I haven't read it out loud yet. It's going to be painful. Yo, this reminds me when Haley and I got into a huge fight. I told Hales that she would never be on the cover of Vogue. Yikes, I know. So mean. He recalled slinging the insult because he felt so disrespected and thought I got to get even. He said, I think as we mature, we realize that we're not helping anything by getting even. We're honestly just prolonging what we really want, which is intimacy and connection. so baby you already know but forgive me for saying you wouldn't get a vote cover because clearly i was sadly mistaken so after a few hours of being dragged for this he changed the caption to a bunch of emojis but the stench remains i'm gonna stand up for bbs a little bit on this one okay i love that in not almost a devil's advocate i just mean i love devil's advocate i love and not yeah like because there's really no defending this one but i think this is just another like he put his foot in his mouth as like a dumb husband who like thought that he was owning up to something like and it probably was a fight and she was right and he's thinking i'm gonna publicly like own this and and it just you know did not come across that way at all whether the words the timing whatever um i would hope maybe i'm hoping that because if it is just like, okay, she has all the attention.

45:56How do I take it away? Then that really is shitty. But I think it was more of like a I mean, guys are dumb a lot of times. The EQ of a lot of guys is very low. I don't think it's as like sinister and sinister as like she can't be about her. It's about me. I think he thought he was like saying something good about himself and something good about her. But it just did not come off that way at all. If that was public, if he had said in the past you're never why ever that would be public but and then he just said like posted his his former headline and was like i was wrong right but to expose it people didn't know this and then you expose it and then ruin the moment it just and like in the first moment of the cover like if he just posted the cover was like proud of my girl and then like later i don't know on a podcast or whatever he does it's like you know what we once actually or whatever interesting little tidbit that's like a little more understandable i feel like people do that and they're like you know sort of telling on themselves, but it was a learning moment.

46:53Right. And she did it on a Dax Shepard show. Yeah. Or you're like exposing your marital problems. But like in that, that moment should just be congratulations, baby. Right. Right. Then it was really bad. And I also think like her, right. You know what? At one time, Justin told me, and then you, you know what I mean? Like, but to, uh, I do think that was probably like, once he saw the reaction, he was probably like, Oh my God, like I'm an idiot. not like a well I hope I don't know maybe I'm giving too much credit in the context of his recent behavior it's worse if he was just coming off solid as a rock and he slipped up with this ill timed post like I'm a forgiving person and I am and even here I feel as though I'm giving grace in the moment but just like in the context of everything else that he's been doing in the last few weeks and acting and looking and being but doesn't that I almost feel like more sympathetic yeah Like he's not in a good spot.

47:51I think he's not enough for me where there's smoke, there's fire. Like, I don't believe that he's broke, but I think there might be financial troubles. I don't know what, what the truth is with the Diddy stuff, but there's enough, even just those headlines. Yeah. If, if, if something happened, then it's like, yeah, you are a victim and I'm sure you've been, your life is very tough, but even just like having the headlines, if they're untrue, you're like, how do I handle this? And like, none of it seems healthy. I'm sure his entire life has not been healthy. Yeah. being in the spotlight since you're like 12.

48:20I give that guy a lot of grace because I know he's been kind of an idiot and he's done like dumb juvenile shit. But I don't think it's as easy for Justin Bieber as people would imagine like, oh, you're a pop star and you're handsome. And you know, I think he's gone through some dark shit. Like, yeah, that's either like literally the worst thing that can happen to you or at the very least exploited and all that sort of stuff, you know? Yeah. So in that case, it's almost like, oh, I think you're not in your right mind and you're not thinking straight at all and that might explain why that post was so tone deaf and stupid yeah i think he's not in his right mind at the moment but i feel like in the last few years like he was more in his right mind like if and there was a time when he was like really acting out and then he sort of went away and he like and then he got married and he has a baby and it's like again why now perhaps did he perhaps financial issues i don't know none of it's good though like again if it's true you're in a real bad spot and if it's not it's like do i deny this do i you know it's one of those things do I acknowledge the rumors I don't know what to do in those spots you know there's really no right answer anymore I agree well I think that's very generous but I'm sure he was in the dog house I think he lives there I think he lives there I think every day I've always said that the dog house is not a place that most guys go back and forth it's just how big is your dog house do you have enough room to like spin around and like sit over here and sit over there.

49:45Or is it just like one dog house that you're permanently stuck in? Yeah. That's how big is it today? Do I have a little bit of wiggle room or am I totally fucked? That's the dog house. Our next story, I would say is also good for your business because Jordan Hudson continues to fuel engagement rumors with Bill Belichick by sporting a ring on her left ring finger. So what are your thoughts on Jordan and Bill? Jordan Hudson is, this is, so I'm a Jets fan from the football point of view. the Jets fans. I do want the football point of view here. So like we hate Bill Belichick. We hate him. Okay. As a Jets Jets and the Patriots are in the same division.

50:21Right. So that means you play like to get to the playoffs. You have to win your division. The Patriots won the division a billion years in a row. Bill Belichick at one point was supposed to be the Jets head coach. He resigned by writing on a piece of on a napkin. I resign as head coach of the New York Jets and just like handed it over. It's a lot of history between the Jets and Tom Brady and Bill Belichick and the Patriots. And he's won. Like there was no it wasn't a rivalry. He just kicked our ass forever. Right. So I hated this guy. And he was this like football Darth Vader, like, right. Like nothing but football.

50:53So this is like, when I tell you that from a football fan point of view, this might be the most shocking thing to ever happen. Like I'm not exaggerating. Like in no world did anybody ever predict that Bill Belichick would have a 24 year old girlfriend who's like a Disney princess villain running his life and like causing this scene like I would have told you anything else is possible than this so as a Jets fan watching his legacy you know a little bit like fall apart is very satisfying as like a guy as a man who I'm like watching this dude who had this amazing sports life and now it's kind of being ruined by whatever this is i'm like what are you fucking doing yeah uh it it is i can't even put into words how insane do you feel bad for him or you couldn't so you know what's funny when i my first thought was like this is going to appear to be like old creepy man yes and it did like grooming young lady i feel like it flipped it's young lady elder abuse advantage of an old sick man yeah like that i didn't see coming just because you know the way the world is and the way the optics would look and think oh he's a dirty old man yeah he's just buying and she has to sleep with him like he has to do her shit classic stuff but yeah you know the good old but then like there was one headline I don't remember which one it was but it was like all of a sudden it flipped to Bill is trapped and she's like it was the interview yeah that was really what like set it off but she she legit looks like Ursula when she becomes the human.

52:32Vanessa. She steals the voice. She looks exactly like that. Kind of the big crazy eyes and the brunette. I think this girl is nefarious. I think she is, you know what I mean? You guys don't understand our love. You're acquiring millions of dollars of real estate. You're COO of a company that doesn't exist. She did it before with another rich old guy. There was a moment where people were kind of treating her some people were like she's like a girl boss like and i was like dude she's 24 i'm i don't like maybe you're smart and successful but you still don't know like anything about anything yet and you're acting like you know everything about football and media and all this shit that it's like relax you know yeah i would agree with that question for you that we couldn't get to the bottom of on the show why is he coaching college football now at unc so he he kind of like split from the patriots in a very he said she said like they say we fired you he says no we left on you know whatever terms um so once you know he's he's like dominated the the pro level won every super bowl there is to win and i feel like it was kind of it's almost like a um you're easing into retirement you know what i mean like yeah college is a lot less pressure like you go up the mountain and then back down yeah and rather than just like retiring all the way like i don't have anything in my life yeah it's and unc it's not like he went to like like if you went to alabama alabama is like a really pressure-packed have to win every year yeah unc is just thrilled to have a football legend coach there's only upside right so i think they were like sure let's get bill belichick now all of a sudden it's like his 24-year-old girlfriend is coaching the team and they're probably like what the fuck is going on oh my god well is that like a normal thing for coaches to like then go coach college oh oh that uh not to have their girlfriends there's enough there's a couple coaches that like go both ways like i dominated in college now i want to try my hand at the pros usually those guys go to the pros and like flame out because when you have grown men they're making millions of dollars they don't just like worship the ground you walk on it's hard to coach you know yeah going the other direction is like i went from tom brady to like this 18 year old kid who just is gonna do whatever i say you know yeah so in that sense i think it does make sense um but it everything feels weird to me now what once was just like oh yeah he's just gonna coach like a small time right but now I'm like was she involved in this yeah you know did you want to retire but like she made you take a job or you needed something to stay in the media I don't know I just have like my tinfoil hat on with everything because this is so weird yeah that it felt strange to begin with and now I'm like there might be even more than what we see yeah his family is they must be so pissed like where are his kids there's I think there's his daughter his daughter-in-law spoke out like on an Instagram comment and was like, this is bullshit.

55:26But like the actual, I don't think the actual Belichick kids have said anything. I heard that she ran into his ex-wife and they had words. I saw that. I don't know. I go back and forth too, though. I'm a very big fan of like, let people live their life and do what they do. He's like a grown man. It doesn't seem like he has like cognitive issues. So if you want, he has millions of dollars. You want to give a few million to this girl? I don't know. It seems weird, but if he's happy, she's happy. Everything's as long as it's all, consensual and safe like then leave them alone it looks weird but not the first and not the last but then there's a part of me that's like i don't know we gotta draw a line somewhere and we can say that it's like it's weird you know we could just say that and also her she keeps portraying herself as like this i'm his i'm not his girlfriend i am his right yeah i would say i would counter that with then you're doing a bad fucking job right because all the talk if if you were to analyze another celebrity with a PR person, it would be like, if everyone's talking about your PR person, that's not good.

56:24Right. Talking about you and the job and the fact that we have drama trending negative now. So, so that's not good. Yeah. You're not hitting the targets. Right. So either you're bad at your job or you're kind of lying about your job. One or the other, as far as her with an engagement ring, like whether or not they're engaged, if they get married, I don't think it really matters. Like they're together. As long as they're together, they're together. the initial report was she has told at least one person I don't think Jordan Hudson is the type to do that quietly I think if she gets the ring and they're getting married it's going to be a Justin Bieber post yeah or maybe it's like she wants to be engaged to him so she's like kind of putting it out into the world like we're engaged here's a ring on my finger so much to the point that like people already think they're engaged and it's like oh so why don't why don't we just do it yeah he's like whatever he's going to walk down the aisle in a cutoff hoodie and what's with the holes in the shirt it's just what he's always done uh he's always been like a very like he literally wears hoodies with cut off sleeves and holes on the sideline uh doesn't do like social media or any of that stuff that's why it's so crazy when he's on instagram doing like yoga poses on the beach she's dressed like a mermaid it's like i crazy i can't even i was trying to think of like a of an analogy of like this would be like if taylor's I can't even think of something.

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1:02:38Demi Lovato got married this weekend inside her pure magic wedding to husband Jordan Jutes Lutz at an oceanfront estate. Okay, I guess his name is Jordan Lutz and people call him Jutes. And I like that. That's cute. I like a little contract. What are they called? I know what you mean. You know, like that commercial, like, I think it was like an Orbit commercial where it's like they just do that with Worth. Yeah. Who do you think is the first couple? Do you think Brangelina was the first one? Oh, that's a good question. They were among the biggest. If they're not the first, they were the biggest.

1:03:13Yeah, that's always fun to have a couple name. Yeah. So Jutes, and now Dutes, I guess. Demi and Lutz got married in a romantic wedding on Sunday as first reported by Vogue. So it was a Vogue wedding, took place in Santa Barbara. Pictures are in Vogue and also some aerial photos, paparazzi photos of the wedding. Very beautiful, very traditional. like there which i think not celebrity it was just kind of like standard well yes it was like very like standard like girly getting married but also demi has been very alternative for much of how we've known her i think that she would be like like a rocker black wedding dress like but no she's like going all out i you know in a chuggy like fashion which i love what do you Revere.

1:04:28I feel like I can, interesting part here in general i'm not like picking apart people's weddings but every once in a while a wedding comes along that just changes the whole industry game yeah so i would say like the last wedding and we could relate on this would be olivia colpo and christian mccaffrey that's like the last great wedding because like the look the aesthetic of it or the aesthetic the location the celeb the couple the people who came the two of them they come from like both celebrities but a little bit different worlds yeah and then her dress was weirdly controversial it was literally the most traditional conservative dress you've ever saw so like that that one something like that i love and then before that was like sophia ritchie grange like she set the bar high for a bride so every once in a while like a wedding comes along that i'm like my ears perk up um but typically no i'm not like gooped and gagged for someone else's wedding unless i happen to be engaged.

1:05:23Yeah, right, right. I just feel like it's a there's a divide there with guys and girls. Oh, for sure. You know what I mean? I can get involved in a lot of the gossipy stuff, but there's never going to be a world where me and the guys are like, did you see Demi's dress? Did you see Olivia Colpott's wedding dress? Right. Well, actually, I think we have a question about that at Dear Toasters. I wanted to get your opinion because it has to do with a couple planning a wedding. But our fifth and final story, just some fun news, is that Alex Earle is joining Dancing with the Stars season 34. So the whole cast hasn't been announced yet, but Alex Earle is joining Robert Irwin, who is Steve Irwin's son.

1:06:01I believe he's on the cast and she's on the cast and we'll await who else is on it. But she's doing Dancing with the Stars, which I actually feel like is surprising. I think it's a big gap for Dancing with the Stars. It is a big gap for Dancing with the Stars. And I feel like Dancing with the Stars is like one of those things. A lot of people like look down their nose on it and would never do. And it's like a mark of like just not bad has b-level reality star type thing but i feel like there are people myself included who are like if i get famous i want to go on dance stars like it's a dream yeah i feel like for her it's like that and i think for her doing like more traditional television is like what she wants to do she just hosts uh presented at the amas last night so proud of us for getting through this episode without mentioning the amas yeah like seriously so irrelevant i actually turned on the beginning and thankfully I got distracted and I could only watch JLo's opening performance.

1:06:48Yeah, she's just kissing a bunch of people. She's just kissing a bunch of people and like dancing her ass off. Like for what? Like why is she working so hard? That was crazy. I didn't even, I guess I was like Jennifer Lopez is like, that was stunning. It was crazy that she was hosting. Yeah. Because like she's not a host. I was like, is she performing? No, she's hosting. Why is she hosting? None of it makes sense. In service of what? Like I feel like it's to sell tickets for her next tour, her resident, whatever she has next like to show like j-lo still got it she can dance she can sing i got a message received like yeah we know like understood she's a she's a tough one she's she's got pr issues i know but i just feel like no one can tell her anything no if she wants to do something she's gonna do it yes 100 um so i do see like this trend with alex earl where like she's obviously conquered the internet getting on tv it's like even though she's more interesting and has more influence than the whole network like it's a different beast it's funny you always want like what you you know what i mean there are if you're conquering traditional media you're like i would kill to be a tiktok star and when you're a star you're like let me go and dance with the stars right i think dance with the stars is like i understand that because they i think they went through a lull where there was probably a lot of like rejects or yeah like has-beens has-beens is a good word but i also think they've been around for like probably 35 seasons now and it becomes a little bit of a nostalgia thing and Like if you do get a couple big names, it's, it's still like an institution, you know?

1:08:10And I think, but I think this is like Alex Earl does not need to do like anything she doesn't want to do. So she, that means she wants to do this and she's excited to do it. That's big for them. I agree. And then also when you think about it, like, you know, she'll be on ABC once a week, eight o 'clock, like that's going to open her up to more people that don't know the exact people who don't know her, which is not that many people at this point, but there she is. For people who don't, it's all, you know, it's going to get 10 million viewers or whatever. Like all 10 million are meeting Alex Earl.

1:08:39So when you, when you conquered like a whole sect of the world, basically, you got to go to these like alternative, you know, spots to get more, you know, another demo. Yeah. And that's what I think is going on here. It's just almost backwards in a way, you know? Yeah. Like at some point, you know, you probably always want to be cutting edge and cool, but eventually you're like, if I've done all that, I got to go get like the moms in the Midwest. here I go Dancing with the Stars I think she'll be great she went on GMA and was talking about how she danced in high school she has like a dance background she's not dancing illiterate but she's obviously not like a professional which is also like an issue it's a good spot to be though it is because also when you're professional people hate on you because it's like what do you hear you're meant to be an amateur right but if you're amateur who's good you're like right on that line then you go you advance and if you have a lot of fans you get the fan vote and then you get a decent score and that's how you win Dancing with the Stars this also makes me feel like she is trying to be like uh maybe like a host of good morning america or something like that like i want to be like a traditional yeah i'm not just going to be the internet podcaster especially like i don't want to call her daddy maybe uh like reputation whatever right right feels like i'm trying to be like in every home in america right and i think it's a good strategy and we've said like her and her family i feel like they're gonna have a reality show or they're right for it they'll be great for it so what ended up happening like there was that you know rift with alex and then she let her go, right?

1:10:01Was that like amicable or? No, definitely not amicable. I think Lix L-I-X Earl wanted to leave the network and then by the time they got around to making the arrangements where like she was leaving, then Unwell put out a statement, we've dropped her and they said dropped. And she's like the biggest show on the network like obviously wasn't dropped. So that's where I think it was like getting contentious but if they had parted more amicably maybe there would be like a way back to a friendship or whatever but that was a burned bridge and any whispers about it at the barstool office um it was there was like dave joked about hiring her because when grace left barstool alex signed her so he made a like an identical tiktok to what alex made alex cooper made about signing grace i think that like people a lot of people missed the joking part of that dude i thought it was real too there's no reason like dave can do all this shit you know no and even though i probably i think i saw the one that like alex made with grace it never it didn't compute like this is just i mean i texted him being like are you signing her and he was like uh i don't think anyone in the world can afford that girl like she doesn't need to be on a network but i definitely thought it was real i think i thought it was real too yeah i forgot there's so much lore between unwell and barstool i was just thinking about the call her daddy stuff but then also the grace stuff yeah i mean the so alex came to alex cooper came to the Barstool office like a year ago and she was filming her documentary that I think is like on the verge of coming out and it was very like you know Alex has gone on to become this like superstar but never really like she's been kind about Dave and Barstool but it was not like she was like I came from Barstool or you know Barstool proud right and when she came back in it was like with the cameras and everything it was very like I'm home I'm back and I think a lot of people were like uh uh you never even like talked to me when you were here you know but i ended up i don't know if it's gonna make it at all but i did like it they interviewed me for the documentary and um they were they were kind of going an angle like almost like a feminist angle where like it was hard for her to be like a girl at barstool right and i was like no like not at all like she clearly thrived like nothing was hard you know what i mean and they were like but but it was different and i you know they were hammering that so i'm a little bit nervous if that comes out like how that's going to, you know, appear.

1:12:26But that was funny. Did they talk to the other women at Barstool? No. Like Fran and Maria? No, I don't know if they were in there. You could talk about being a woman at Barstool. I was going to say, yeah, why don't you talk to me? Go talk to the girls, you know? Like, in addition to. Right. But I was just more like, I never thought Alex was going to be, I don't think anybody did, probably aside from Alex, think she was going to be like the level that she was at. And when she first came in, it was kind of like she was, you know, ruffling some feathers and it was a little bit like dramatic and I was like I don't know if it's gonna work boy was I fucking wrong it worked yeah so that was more what I was saying in my interview was like before the show started like before the show started to take off yeah yeah like early on it was just like you know like a raunchy sex podcast yeah which is fine like I mean I kind of had one of those for a while but like it was it was more like she just came in and it was like I don't give a fuck and and there was kind of a hierarchy and she didn't give a shit about that and that's how you end up being like super successful yeah but at the time it was kind of like whoa what's what's going on here and like i don't know is this gonna work why aren't you like you know they were very kind of separate and it was just like eventually like oh you're so successful you can do that but in the beginning it was a little like but until you're so successful you can't do that yes yeah but and it went quick and then it's just like jealousy and you know territories and shit like that where people yeah where it's like why are you guys i remember watching their vlogs and they would like not go into the office and it was so funny right i'm sure if you're working at bar still like nine to five wait what about us yeah there was a lot of that for sure it was kind of like uh hey let's all be friends like come on the show and it was like yeah yeah yeah totally like like never getting in the culture like other people do that but they didn't they didn't and they didn't have to right did they ask about sophia at all like is she in this conversation at all when they for the documentary um or is she no i i don't think they I think they're just pretending that never happened man what a what a bag fumble that was that was the craziest time and the fact that it was all over uh that guy the hbo boyfriend suit man suit man is unfortunately for you know two girls and specifically one girl alex that were like bucking the trend and like you know everything that was about like men and women dynamics they threw out the window and then it all came down to a boyfriend you know what i mean at least for sophia where it was like you're listening to this guy you know what i mean it was almost like sad that it ended up resorting to that yeah like she should have just been like fuck this guy let's you know what i mean like let's just do like me and you hash it out but it was a guy right right right between the two of them not about the negotiations in general because like they had a case like their show is like the biggest like it was just an anomaly that it happened that is the eternal push pull is like right like you get all this and but you're giving up this and you just have to like wait out really it works like it's kind of 50 50 and you know if you're like dave and barstool you'll always claim we were the reason you blew up and if you're alex and sophia you would be like well without us there'd be nothing to blow up right but it's like it's just the perfect when it hits it really is you know yeah like and then you outgrow it and you move on but right but you have to like wait with that yes how do you feel when like athletes want to renegotiate their contracts before that they're up and they want more money if they're playing well that's kind of the the same thing where it's like but do you think that they should wait or that they should get more money in the middle uh it really depends on like you you run the risk of like injury and if you're really really good and you're healthy and you're like i would just bide my time and then when i'm a free agent like sign the most money i can what usually happens is if you sign early you give up some years later so it's like right now i'm making five hundred thousand dollars a year i could sign a contract where i make four million dollars a year that's great but that four million is also going to run into a few years where i could be making like 35 right so you think they should wait you think it's better for them to wait but say there's someone who doesn't want to wait like what do you think management should do I think it's always good to Keep good talent and Lock them up if you can Like Call Her Daddy Yeah well you know what's very interesting with Call Her Daddy And pretty much every show At Barstool because we've done a couple Like in-house ones we've done some like Celebrities who kind of come in as like mercenaries You reach a point where No matter how Big you are you can't justify Like certain salaries yeah you know and especially for like when we were owned by pen entertainment was like a casino conglomerate they were in growth mode they were like we don't care about necessarily turning a profit we just want to be bigger more talent more whatever if that's the case then like let's go right now dave owns the company again it's like his money it's his bottom line and it's like you are a monster but if i pay you 10 million dollars a year there's not enough ad reads and sponsorships and shit to make that money back right just impossible it's just math and you might be a loss leader and it might help the business other here but eventually it reaches a point where it's like go because we'll try to find the next one of you yeah yeah which is not easy but we've done yeah you guys have done a great job big fan thanks i i'm very the toast is one of the shows that really is always in like every uh every girl i ever speak to is always like you know it's it's we have a pretty uh my show specifically i would say is probably i think everybody thinks Barstool is all men, you know?

1:17:59Yeah. And I think our show is probably like 60, 40, like 65, 35. Like we have a lot of females. So like there's a lot of overlap because when we see them at live shows or we like interact with them, it's always, I'm like, who else do you guys listen to and like? And it's like without a doubt, 100 % the Toaster. The elk of toasters. No, I totally agree. That's why I think like everyone on earth is going to love this episode. I hope so. Wouldn't. Yeah. Especially because we're doing Deer Toasters. So Deer Toasters is our weekly advice segment. And if we ever skip it, like seriously, people riot in the streets.

1:18:27because they live for dear toasters. So I tried to pick some that we could really use the male perspective on. And let's get into them. Sure. First up, I've been dating my P. John boyfriend. That means precious gem of a man. So when they say P. John boyfriend, Is that a toast thing? That's a toast thing. And just know that like, he's a great guy. mention just like, the relationship might be worth saving because otherwise good guy. But obviously there's a problem if she's writing him. For four years, they've been dating and we've been long distance for the past two. We are about to move across the country and live together for the first time.

1:18:58I love him a lot and there have been zero red flags to date. That is until last weekend. While visiting him, I needed to borrow some socks and as I was reaching for a pair, I instead grabbed my own worn undies. I immediately pulled them out and saw there were several more pairs. Should I confront him about this? What should I say? Sincerely, a toaster who has been looking for her favorite pair of seamless skims for months. And this episode is brought to you by Skims, which is hysterical. That is funny. so he's been like stealing her undies what do you do these are the things that when you start to cohabitate you find some weird shit about people right i suppose we got to go a step further and be like what are you doing with said underwear it might be something that he's into and so on the one hand like it's theft like you're taking my undies they're like nice pricey undies at least take like the ones with holes um and on the other hand like it's a secrecy because like Like if this is your partner for four years, even if they're into something that's like a little off the beaten path, like you should know about that.

1:19:59Yeah. But I also think that I think you can be in like a good, healthy relationship and still be. Have like secrets, private things. Not secrets makes it sound bad. I'm a little nervous to tell you about this or like it's a kink or something that I'm like a little bit ashamed of or embarrassed about. And it's still hard for people to say those things. Do you think that they should, like, the goal is that they share those things? It might take time. Yeah. Well, if it involves other people's belongings and their intimate underwear, then. But I also think it's a function of the long distance relationship.

1:20:33Like, maybe this was how he was feeling close to you, like, in times of separation. They have moved in? They are about to move in together again after two years of doing long distance. Got it. So she was there, though. And so he's been, like, swiping these while they took apart. Yeah, yeah. I mean, that could be it. Right. And the problem solves itself when you move in together. But now do you want to move in with a panty snatcher? Yeah. And also, do you want to start off on like a lie or a secret or whatever? You know what I mean? Yeah. And the big question is like, do you talk to him about it?

1:21:05Like, do you mention I saw it? These are all things that you should, you should be very honest and you should, he should tell her I have like a fetish or whatever. And this is what I'm doing. She should be like, hey, I found these. But these are all hard things to do when, you know, you're a little bit afraid of like confrontation or whatever it may be. I think this is one that like maybe you like leave it out on top of the dresser. And he kind of gets the point of like. Oh, she saw. Yeah. It's on me to say something. Yes. Yeah. Yes. Or I don't know. I mean, I think probably the absolute best thing in this spot is to confront him in a very like understanding way.

1:21:52Gentleman. Yeah. Which is probably a little bit hard when you want to be like, what the fuck are you doing with my underwear? Right, right, right. But if you're just like, hey, I noticed this thing. It's a little bit unconventional. But like, if this is something you're into or you did it to connect with me or whatever. I mean, that is probably a super hard thing to do. But I would. It is a hard thing to do. I'm just thinking if I had some like dark, not dark, but just like deep, like secret kink fetish, something like that. You wouldn't want someone to approach you with it like hostility. And if someone approached me with it in like an understanding way, like if she said something like, hey, do you want me to like, do you want me to like give you a pair every week?

1:22:30I don't know what it would be, but if it was something like that and I would be like, oh my God, you like you're down or like you're cool. Right. I would probably be like, now I'm even more in love with you. Right, right, right. Right. But like, what about, what if she's not down and she's not cool? Yeah. Then, then we'd probably run into. Maybe there's compromise. Maybe it's like, okay, maybe not dirty undies, but like. Clean undies. Yeah. It's like, we're going to have to buy a whole lot more underwear, bro. These will be like the donated pairs. These are the ones I actually wear. How about next time I clean out my closet?

1:23:01Like you have the ones that I was going to cost. When it's like spring cleaning, we're switching seasons, something. Compromise. Because there's probably some world where she was like, you know, I got to go to a wedding. I need to wear this like form-fitting dress. I need like this. Where the fuck is this one pair of underwear? Especially he's stealing the skims. So like that is maddening. If you're like looking for the ones that won't have panty lines. Right. I got to go get new ones. I'm a toast or whatever. I don't know. He's kind of gaslighting her, you know, like looking for. No, I'm kidding.

1:23:28I don't use that. Gaslighting. I don't use that word in earnest. That word has gotten so. It needs to be banned from the human language. What did people say before that? you were tricking me tricking me like a motherfucker you were tricking me oh my god true it really is nothing worse than like an actual gaslighting so when people throw it around for like no we just disagree on a topic or so whatever you know what i mean like you got caught doing something whatever it may be for the people who are actually being gaslit they're probably like they're feeling gaslit yes your face gaslighting is gaslighting me right yeah but yeah that's a tough one i would say that any like i'm assuming there's some sort of sexual thing behind this you You know?

1:24:08Yes. And that's always a little embarrassing, but you're going to really be together forever. I'm hoping it's a sexual thing behind this and not a... I don't know what else it would be. The long distance thing does add a wrinkle where... Yeah. It adds like some plausible... Like sleeping with them at night? Like get a scent? I don't know. It's weird. What do you think about long distance? I don't have strong opinions on it. I think it depends like how old, like what stage in your life can you afford to... I feel like everything takes four times as long, long distance. Do you have that sort of time or not?

1:24:41I feel like it's not traditional, but if you're on like the same page, it can probably be really like you have, you both have your careers. You both have your free time. It's almost like kind of the extreme other end. But I feel like sometimes when people live together, they lose their, their individuality and all that stuff. Yeah. It's nice to like miss each other, but I do think it's not entirely real life all the time. Like you don't know what it's like to be with this person all the time and like hit that threshold of like okay now i hate you like how am i gonna work through that it's like i ran around calling you a pgom and now it turns out you steal my underwear right like i feel like when you're with someone for three days it's always only good you're not gonna have a fight but like you do need to have a fight at some point and like see how you guys get through that i agree but like do you well depending on your goals are like and i think that's if you want to have kids you want to like be around all the time right but if there's a world where it's like let's have fun every three like these three days that are awesome and then where everyone else starts fighting we like go to our separate corners and you know yeah country well two things one i feel like if you are a person with like gold like you have dreams for your life like you guys need to have a plan like there's an end in sight okay in two years he gets this promotion and he can move back here i'm gonna leave my job and move there and that's when i want to have like you need to like have an end in sight it can't just like go forever like yeah um but then it also reminds me a lot of page and craig i feel like they had exactly what you just described it's like three perfect days four hustle days back to each other we only ever like each other we're traveling so much he's coming to new york and it's in a fun way like and he likes coming here she doesn't like going there oops like theoretically if you didn't want to have kids and a family and you both had careers you could do that forever yeah yeah it's not traditional but it's like but if if both of you don't want to have families yes it can't be like one is secretly wishing for that which is kind of i think what happened with right i'm a big page the sorbo fan yeah what about craig don't say a bad word to me um i don't know him as much southern charm i've seen it but i know you're not in yeah so uh they they definitely are painting him away on bravo on summer house summer house you only that looks shitty but then i've seen like i've seen andy cohen like interviews with him where he's kind of like she said this and did that i'm like oh there's a little more one side or two sides to it yeah i really not to be annoying i really see both sides of how this went south like i see it from her side and i see it from his side and it's just to me sad i was gonna say but that's also that's a couple i remember saying when i was watching i was like you guys are just not meant to be together yeah or at least not right now but whatever it is like sometimes your career blew up you uh maybe you're insecure whatever is going on with him but like it's just not gonna work out not meant to be no and like especially when you're wanting different things at this current junction like he's ready to be done with this like tomorrow and she's like i just started my tour like yeah no it's not happening anytime soon and like so for that reason i do Which is tough though when you break up for like not like, it's not like we fell out of love or not attracted or whatever.

1:27:30It's just like a business thing. And that business probably will change. And then it's like, I don't know. It's hard to get with a new person when it's like, I know that you broke up with your last person really out of circumstances. Yeah. Not out of like. Not out of lack of love. But I do think now they hate each other. Yes. Now it seems like there's no love lost. Yeah. They're not pining over one another. No. So people can move on. Oh yeah. And he already has like a girlfriend, I think. new bitty which is i mean that's what he wants like he literally just wants partnership i was gonna say he's probably gonna find a like a southern girl who does want kids and like yeah and then you're good to go right yeah but yeah that definitely reminds me of that our last is this the last oh no that was only one oh my gosh we're moving so slow like this is the world's longest episode next hijacks and turt cross out kfc so my fiance is driving me nuts with wedding planning when we started the whole thing i asked how involved he wanted to be and he said he knows I'll do a great job and he trusts me, which is like the normal thing to say.

1:28:28But every time I tell him a plan that's been made for some of the wall options. Oh, but every time I tell him a plan that's been made, he has some off the wall opinions. He is a sweet man who is just excited for our wedding. But how the heck do I shut down these cringy suggestions without making him feel like I don't care about what he wants? P.S. I love you both. That's tough because I feel like there's probably a world where there's a lot of girls who would almost wish that their partner was like as involved as this guy wants to be but it's like only if you have good opinions and good taste yeah i don't even know who would wish their partner really yeah you want it yeah you want like free reign because unless if they're going to agree with you like thanks point like i was going to do it anyway and if they're just going to disagree with you like it's just more conflict weddings are already like so full of conflict do you not think that the guy should i think if you have a strong opinion about a couple things like i remember in my wedding my husband had a couple strong opinions about stuff of things that like he wanted and it's like okay let's definitely do those because like sure why not you want fireworks in our first dance or like sparklers or whatever cool like it's not important to me but like it's not a doesn't take away yeah so like i think every guy should get like the couple things but i don't think guys should have that many things like why do they why would a guy care so much about specific things i mean i'm with you but like But I guess if you do, it also comes down to money.

1:29:48I was going to say, who's paying? Who's cutting the check, you know? Yeah. I think it's probably best. I think the best of both worlds. I mean, listen, if you are a guy who's into that stuff, I think you have a right to be involved. But you probably should know that about like somebody. Yeah. And also the worst is when people are acting like, I don't care, babe, do whatever. You're my princess. And then they come in. They're like, oh, I don't like this, that, this, and that. And it's like, well, am I your princess? But I also think there's probably a lot of times where guys like go nuts and they don't realize what nuts.

1:30:19And I think wedding culture has gotten like insane. I agree. So I think when it's like, I think there's a lot of guys who have no. Like I had a big wedding. Sure. It gets carried away. It's the industry. They make you get carried away. I mean, they literally just add a zero to everything. Every girl who gets engaged is like, I want to have a small wedding. Like I would elope. I really don't care about my wedding. Like winds up having a huge wedding. There's no getting out of it. You feel like, you know, you're cheap or having a shitty wedding if you don't. And like it just by, you know, I have to keep up with the Joneses and then we're all just, now we're all having showers and weddings and events that were like, this is crazy, but how did this happen?

1:30:51How did this happen? It's like, okay, no, if I'm having a wedding, like I do need flowers on the table. So that's where I don't think a guy even understands until they go through it. When you're like, do whatever you want for the invitations. And they're like, the invitations are how much? Right. Like, well, I didn't know that. Well, do you get whatever flowers? I didn't know it was going to be$10 ,000 with the flowers. Like you think it's just about money or like do whatever you want with the invitations. and she designs an invitation that he has critiques on. I think it's pretty rare if a guy like really cares.

1:31:18I think it's more, it's money and also maybe like perception of how, like if you don't want to have a big wedding and all of a sudden you're having a big one, you kind of feel like, I don't know, a little gaudy or whatever. Yeah. It's pretty rare that a guy would be like, that calligraphy is not right or whatever, you know? Yeah, yeah, that font. So I think it needs to be like a, you go nuts and I have like five things. Yeah. I want this food, this drink, a band or DJ. Like those things are big deal. And the rest is like, you should just let her do her thing. Yeah. You won't even notice that budget.

1:31:47So the money's not, you know what I mean? Yeah. And go nuts. Yeah. Also, but if you're, if the girl's paying, right. Then you should fuck up, buddy. Even people who have unlimited budget, like still fight about their weddings. Like look at Brooklyn and Nicola and their families. Who's that? The Beckhams. Oh, Peltz Beckham, the biggest wedding. And like the whole families were fighting the whole time. Yeah. So it's not just about money. I was going to say it's, money doesn't cure like family in-law dynamics and all that sort of shit. No, it's really it's a very difficult process. It really, but it's so silly because it's just a big party and it causes money stress and family stress and it's like if it doesn't go smoothly, it's like boy, we're getting off on the wrong fucking foot here.

1:32:30Starting this marriage off in a bad spot. Do you want to get married again? Is that too big? You do? That's nice. Were you involved in your wedding planning when you got married um yeah um do you have any like what were you precious about i wanted a band i like a band yeah as far as like the decorations and stuff like that didn't bother me at all right um i just wanted to be like a good party so like good music on open drinks um all that sort of stuff but like as far as the the look and the decorations and all that i was like all good but yeah i feel like you know it was like that's like money and inviting families did you know it was very stressful it was like more stressful than i wanted it to be you know i think it's really stressful for everyone and then i also think people are like is this too is it really bad like are we in a bad spot well you know i feel like people need to normalize the fact that like it's a miserable experience if you're having a hard time crazy no i hear yourself let's normalize this thing that totally fucking sucks normalize not that it's like it would be nice if it went well but like if you're having a miserable experience like just know you're not alone and like you're not yeah yeah you're not like the exception like most people are having that right i do think you also run into at least i did like once the uh the glitz and glamour is worn off a little bit and you're now like we need to buy a house and it's like boy i wish we had that like 120 000 you have to buy a house yeah it's like we could just have the house but we had a one night party that was a little bit you know that's a tough one to swallow eating someone needs to do something about it.

1:34:06Someone needs to put their foot down. Just band together and be like, we're not paying. We're not gonna take it. It's also so regional too though. I feel like the Northeast is like, when I hear about bars, weddings that aren't open bar, I'm like, what? That's crazy. But there are, you know, you go like down south, they're like, yeah, you pay for your drinks. What are you talking about? It's like, or yeah, like you don't have like centerpieces and flowers and all that. So you think we're crazier here? Oh my God, yes. And like gifts and shit. Like you go to other places in the country, you get like a physical toaster.

1:34:37Yeah. Give me money because I got to pay for this fucking thing. Also, it's hard like in the city because you get a room, right? And now you have to outfit, you have nothing to work with. Like you have to do everything. The chairs, the covers, the everything, you know? When you're in the south, when there's better weather, you're on, in California, like you have the surroundings to work with. A lot of places here, like you don't have surroundings, especially if you're getting married like in the winter, like we're just in a room. Right. And now you got to dress it up. It is such a process, man.

1:35:02It's not easy, but you're right. You're not alone. if you're out there doing it. Yeah. Okay. Last one. And then like we have to get on with our lives, I guess. Like we have to end this episode at some point. Hi, Jackson KFC. I'm 26 weeks pregnant. Mazel tov. And my husband, who is usually a pijam, has been less romantic and loving towards me. I asked him about it and he said he feels weird being intimate while thinking of our baby in my stomach and also that some of my pregnancy symptoms like being gassy, achy, etc. are quote unattractive. He said that? He quote unattractive. Obviously, I am very hurt as if being pregnant hasn't made me feel unattractive enough as it is.

1:35:36How can I possibly forgive him and move past this? Thank you for your help in Daily Laughs. Damn. That's a tough one. I know, but remember, he's a pee-jum. He always seems like twice. This is where, like, I think, you know, honesty is the best policy and communication is everything, especially having, like, you know, been divorced. I'm like, I, you know, could have done better in that department and it would have been more successful. But there's something, little white lies. You can't be telling her you're unattractive. No, that's really so crazy. And also, listen, there's some level of, we all know that.

1:36:15As a woman, you're not feeling your sexiest, your best. You know it. You know it's not attractive to be bloated and gassy. We just don't need to say it. It's like, we all say you're glowing for a reason because we all got to get through this. It makes you wonder what kind of person would say this. like an incredibly stupid person an incredibly mean person you do say he's a p-job so i'm gonna go stupid yeah i will i it's almost like the bieber thing it's like you just put your foot in your fucking mouth yeah an idiot it sounds like there might be some deeper attraction issues though like i wonder what their sex life was previously like uh what can you do now like she's that is a hard and you can't put that toothpaste back in the tube like no and so we we're going to work through it and we're gonna we're gonna if it were me like the girly advice that we would give and what Claudia and I would give is like he needs to be reamed a new asshole yeah he needs to understand why he's so wrong for saying this and he's probably gonna have to just like grovel for the next lifetime doghouse by the way it's also like it's tough as a guy when it's like you're bloated and gassy and big it's like that's us all the time it's like we're hairy out of shape fat bloated gassy forever that's what you sign up for and they deal with that all Valentine.

1:37:27Like this is temporary. What's your Yeah, I will be hot soon. You will never be hot, bro. I think get mean. Get mean. Like just treat him like. Yeah, yeah. Just like seriously. Just bring him out. This is why it might be over. No. You might just need to split up a co-parent now. You need to find harmony. I want to find harmony here. That's probably one of those things. It's like for the rest of your life, she will just drop comments like, remember that time when I was pregnant and you said that I was unattractive? Right. And you have to like. But you know what else isn't good not to give this guy any credit but when like a man is treating you differently because he feels some sort of way and you're like you feel like you can feel that he's like being distant and like doesn't want to be lovey with you and it's like they won't say what's bothering them now he should have come up with something better and also he shouldn't be feeling that way he should find you carrying his child to be the most beautiful thing in the world um but at least it's not gaslighting you into thinking it's in your head yeah i mean there is like some level of girls always want, everybody always wants honesty, right?

1:38:28It's like, here it is. That's why I've said like, you gotta have some little white lies but it's like. But I only think a twisted individual wouldn't find his pregnant wife just so beautiful. Yeah, but there's also a difference between like, you know, I love what you're doing for our family versus like traditionally what's like sexy and hot in the moment is not really what's happening right now. I just think like an involved mature man, like, that is sexy and hot. That's huge. Yeah. real convincing you're beautiful just tell him to fuck off listen to the toast and like just doghouse like I don't know what to tell you that's really that's unfortunate that would make me really upset honestly that's a hard one to get through that's probably gonna be a lot of like forgiveness and uh you're allowed to be upset though like you don't have to get over it yeah that's not gonna just be like that's my advice right just be mad get mad and get even really yeah really good like you guys are We're off to a hot start with parenting.

1:39:23Yeah. Oh my God. No, stop. It's going to be great. You're going to be an amazing mom and he'll learn. They're slow, but men. You do have to give a little bit of grace. This one's particularly bad, but like we're, I would say most times it's coming from a place of dumb and not malicious, like 99 % of the time. And, and even more dumb than you can realize, because it's like, like it's really rare that a guy is like going to think through like all of the ramifications for what he's going to say or do, where it's like, I don't know. in the moment I was just trying to be honest or I was just trying to make you happy or whatever it is.

1:39:56And there's just not that second, third, fourth, fifth step of thinking. I agree with you. So I hope that makes you feel better. He's not mean. He's just dumb. Thank you so much, KFC. My pleasure. Where can everyone follow you? Listen to your show if they want more KFC, if they want more espresso martinis. Yes, everything. I'm on everything KFC Barstool. Actually, I just changed TikTok to Kevin.Clancy. But KFC Barstool in general is everything. KFC radio is the podcast that's every Tuesday and Thursday. I do my series on Instagram called one minute man, which is just like short form updates of all pop culture and like current events.

1:40:34And then midnight bean is the espresso martini, which will be available in all liquor stores, distributors, grocery stores, restaurants. It's just a matter of we're, we're kind of in that rollout phase. So a lot of people have been like, I've been looking for it and haven't found it. That doesn't mean it's not going to be there. It's just, apparently in America it takes a long time to get liquor into all these places. It does. And it's all state by state and regional. There's a lot of politics and laws. States rights. That's right. Well thank you so so much for giving us an hour and a half long episode.

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