Guess I'll Start Being Me: Wednesday, April 22nd, 2026

10:13Jackie Oshry:And I guess like a man, they're taking different approaches. is like Amanda has like sat down with people, is apologizing and like Wes is just sort of defensive. Guess he'll start.

10:23Claudia Oshry:Who'd she sit down and apologize to?

10:25Jackie Oshry:Jessie.

10:26Claudia Oshry:She did or she texted him?

10:28Jackie Oshry:I think they sat down for coffee.

10:29Claudia Oshry:I saw like DeMoximo posting that they had sat down a while ago, but I thought that was when she lied to his face.

10:37Jackie Oshry:He had said, oh, well DeMoximo put together that that was actually like the coffee in question.

10:40Claudia Oshry:The coffee of lying to the face.

10:42Jackie Oshry:No. The coffee of. apologies.

10:47Claudia Oshry:Okay, well let's get into the stories because we're getting into the stories as we do.

10:51Jackie Oshry:Wait, anything else I just want to talk about? Oh, I finally got my Coppers of Strangers Bell Burden and I'll be starting it today. Like five days for a book on Amazon? That's insane.

10:57Claudia Oshry:Coppers of Strangers Bell Burden? What did I say? I don't know. It sounded like Coppers of Strangers Bell Burden, which I knew what you meant.

11:04Jackie Oshry:That's not what I said. Roll the tapes.

11:06Claudia Oshry:No, maybe you said it something else, but it's like how Concrete Jungle Wet Dream Tomato sounds like Coppers.

11:13Jackie Oshry:Laurel Yanny. copper strangers bell burden i got my copy of strangers bell burden

11:20Claudia Oshry:and i'll be starting it this evening yeah you're gonna have to get to it because we gotta recap it no we gotta recap it hands but i can't be i can't be silenced much longer but i actually am glad i've had some time to really ruminate on the book because i feel like when i read it i thought it was just a book but then i saw my friend erica like posted that she had read it and she was like I think this is a book that like most women need to read at some point in their life.

11:43Jackie Oshry:Oh, wow.

11:44Claudia Oshry:And I agree with that. Yeah. It's a cautionary tale. It's not just like a, a crazy story.

11:53Jackie Oshry:Right.

11:54Claudia Oshry:Outlier. It's a cautionary tale and women should know that these things happen. Okay. So we look forward to you.

12:03Jackie Oshry:We look forward to you.

12:05Claudia Oshry:We should do a recap of it and like put it on the redheads just to like.

12:09Jackie Oshry:Sure. bump up the redheads sure you know i'm like kind of getting itching um okay let's get into the

12:17Claudia Oshry:stories then yeah without further ado that do that do it is time for the fast five stories that you

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18:25Claudia Oshry:J-U-R-T. Our first story is a summer house recap because we got a lot of information from last night's episode and from Watch What Happens Live with Jesse Solomon. So in last night's episode, Sierra and West vow to be best friends again. And Amanda confronts West about disrespecting Sierra.

18:45Jackie Oshry:So, yeah, the conversation at the end, I think, was what Andy was referring to, because I guess if you wanted to be a naysayer up until this point, you could have just said like, well, yeah, what Amanda did wasn't the best. But this is somebody who Sierra dated for six months, two years ago. Like, we need to move on. but if you've been watching like it's so clear that Sierra is so hung up on him which just makes living in a house with him so much more complicated for her she says like I really wish I hated you like it just would make my life so much easier but she doesn't and he did this really bad like thing and he really hurt her and she doesn't know how to move on because they did sort of like end abruptly they weren't their their relationship like wasn't over he just decided like he wanted to be famous and like pop pussies at the watch parties and so everything that they were like building together just came crumbling down so quickly.

19:32Jackie Oshry:So it left her without any closure with all these feelings that she has sort of refused to acknowledge. I just think if you're watching, it's quite obvious. And I feel like last night was the first time that they ever spoke like in a real way and where she was able to acknowledge those feelings and just sort of let her walls down. It was, it was heartbreaking. Like it was so sad.

19:49Claudia Oshry:It was sad to watch, especially because he obviously likes her, but can't stop being himself enough to know give her and be for her who he would need to be like but the idea I mean now I don't ship them at all but if we're just recapping the episode like at the time like why is going out for him and like being with these randos and going to watch parties like more attractive to him than like being with a person that he considers his best friend who's so gorgeous who likes him so much and like they had the best time together two summers ago like

20:21Jackie Oshry:how could a person be so stupid i know i know i think maybe at this point he doesn't feel it's an option even though like she literally can't talk to him or about him without crying it's so

20:33Claudia Oshry:clear that there are so many feelings there but also it seems like going forward things are about to like head back into sort of romantic territory the preview for next week someone's saying like sierra and west are like best friends again you know and it's only a hop skip and a jump from that to romantic partners and that sort of gives credence to the rumors that they had hooked up in the fall or even in the winter before Amanda and Wes because I do see how now we're marching

20:59Jackie Oshry:down that path and I do see if that's the case how like then both of their up until this point what Amanda did to Sierra is worse than what Wes did to Sierra but if that's true if they do connect whether it's hook up or just like explore the possibility of something his crime is just as big as Amanda's and he deserves just as much hate.

21:19Claudia Oshry:Yeah. So I think it's going to get worse for him, but it also is simultaneously getting worse for her as she continues to be the person in between the two of them, like demanding that he treat her better, letting her know that he's not good enough for her. He's not good enough for her, but he's good enough for you.

21:33Jackie Oshry:And it's just funny in hindsight, because obviously we get, what do you think of yourself then? Well, we know that she has like severely low self-esteem because of this, the behavior she accepts from her own husband but you do sort of look at Kyle now in a different light where he was like if he had said this before we knew I would be like oh he's such a fucking asshole when he was like oh my god I'm finally having fun in the summer house like I'm so happy I feel so late and why is it oh because my bitch wife's not here like if he didn't say bitch right he just said because Amanda's not here if he had said that before I'm like this fucking guy but you know what like she is this sort of drag and dark cloud and yeah that's a bummer summer should be fun summer should be fun yeah

22:13Claudia Oshry:it's all it's so crazy how like just context can change what someone's saying even last week and he was complaining like she's only wants to hang out with other people she doesn't hang out with me before west mandeval we were like shut up and we want to hang out with you you suck we're like wait that's wrong you should be giving attention to your husband yeah and jesse said on watch happens live just the the eternal truth there you know i think it's probably both not everything can just be like ping-pong based on no i think the truth is somewhere in the middle of like her

22:46Jackie Oshry:version in his like he's a bad husband and she's a dreadful wife yeah no no i'm not saying like who's right in the situation but i'm like should you know it like when when he was saying those

22:58Claudia Oshry:things before he was like no she should be with her friends but like should a person be with her friends or with their husband both like it shouldn't have to be a trade-off it really shouldn't be that like difficult to be in a house with your husband and your friends and like

23:09Jackie Oshry:everybody feel like you like them and he asked jesse how kyle was doing and he was like you know what he was doing fine but he's actually getting angry now because the yankee game thing it's like it's just so disrespectful um which i thought was interesting and jesse was asking was answering a lot of questions he his energy it was i found it a very strange episode i was wondering if anybody else felt this way first of all I think Andy hates Kristen Cavallari really I just got that vibe yeah he was in one of his moods and he was like coming in and out of the mood but then she said something like so all the questions for I felt bad for Kristen Cavallari because it was such a big summer house night and she like is familiar and she was giving her takes and she has great personality but like there were no questions for her like and she was just like being like a bravo person and so all the questions that were for her were about celebrities who have slid into her dms there must have been five different questions from the audience from Andy and she's like oh you put me on the spot like i don't know like she would have to have like research and so

24:01Claudia Oshry:one of the things like the answer for her a celebrity who slid into her dm that she turned

24:06Jackie Oshry:down bobby play okay i think what she was talking about was john mayer because then she was like oh i mean andy like you know and he was like i could tell he just like hated that she said that and i thought by that she meant john mayer like an answer to i feel like she probably a lot of

24:25Claudia Oshry:people have said into her dms that she has turned down and i know for that one of those people happens to be bobby fly she told us that once so like i was like oh there's an answer but she obviously sometimes you just can't think off the top of your head of course of course and they

24:36Jackie Oshry:didn't tell her in advance that like these were the questions they should have ultimately all of

24:39Claudia Oshry:the questions were about like men that she slept with and wants to or didn't and blah blah blah and she did not name one name the whole episode so yeah that was frustrating for andy but very frustrating for her that that's all she's asked it's a little reductive it's a little reductive It really is.

24:55Jackie Oshry:I thought she handled it really well. She was also asked about Spencer for Mayer. But it really wasn't about her. And so I think she did as good of a job. I just got the vibe that Andy really didn't like her. Especially with that John Mayer thing.

25:05Claudia Oshry:I didn't get that vibe. But I was getting a vibe from Jesse. Like a sad vibe. Did you get that?

25:10Jackie Oshry:Okay, so yes. He was so defeated. Ben was very moved by the episode. He was like, I feel like I want to reach out to Jesse Solomon.

25:18Claudia Oshry:I feel like he should. That would be a good friend for him.

25:20Jackie Oshry:Because then people were asking him about his music. And he's like, yeah, everyone teases me. Like, I just felt bad. Like, I think that he also was asked about the state of his relationship with Wes. And he was like, listen, Wes has been a really good friend to me. So he's not just like dropping him, but he's being really honest. But he's also being really honest that he's mad. He wants an apology. He has not gotten one. He was lied to so much. He said that like all the boys went to brunch and like how Sierra sort of figured it out, like her womanly intuition. A lot of them did. They were not even being like subtle.

25:52Jackie Oshry:Yeah. All the boys went to brunch. Jesse found out that Wes went to brunch after the brunch with Amanda. And he only found out because him and Jesse and Kyle were like out at a bar. And they ran into Amanda and Wes.

26:05Claudia Oshry:That's so crazy. Not to mention the fact that like people could see them out and like no. Yeah. And also Amanda, Jesse and Wes were all in Miami at one point randomly.

26:15Jackie Oshry:And they went to dinner without Jesse.

26:16Claudia Oshry:Amanda and Wes went to dinner without Jesse. And at first he was offended, but now he understands. But no, the vibe I got from him definitely like, I think he's in a weird spot of what of like needing to like condemn his friend but that is also his friend but his friend has betrayed him and so those feelings but it seems like he's been like a little beat down by the fans and by like I think he's getting a lot of hate and to be clear

26:35Jackie Oshry:like I believe that he did not know that this was happening and I think he already gets like a lot of like kind of like light-hearted hate about his music and now it's just like everything piling on he's like going on this like 16 city tour for his music and like people are just being mean to him I actually felt bad for him.

26:52Claudia Oshry:Yeah. I feel like he's not even, I not, maybe he is, but I feel like not even so much hate for Wes Mandeville. And if he is like, that should end right now because he didn't know anything and he literally has nothing to do with his friend's bad decision. And I appreciate him actually like standing by his friend, um, not completely turning on him. Like I actually think that that's the right thing for him to do. Um, but I just feel like he's getting a lot of hate just like for him as a person. And it seemed like it was also already getting to him. And I feel like when he came on this show, like he worked in finance, he was like the coolest, Like the first episode, you just thought he was like the most handsome, cool.

27:23Claudia Oshry:Like, oh my gosh, who's going to date Jesse? And now he's just kind of like a joke. And I just.

27:28Jackie Oshry:He's like the Joker of the show for real.

27:30Claudia Oshry:I don't know. I just it was I was having one of those moments of like. People shouldn't do reality TV. Like it really ruins your life. Like you think it's amazing. And you're like and I think he's had so much fun with a lot of the fame. But like it's not all it's cracked to be. It's giving like secret lives and more more wise. Even Sierra and West, like when they're crying, talking about how the fans are pitting them. It's so much fueled by the fans.

27:49Jackie Oshry:They like can't even function.

27:51Claudia Oshry:They don't even know how they feel about each other because everybody, they open their phone and the world is turning you against this person. It's a very weird way to live. And I think ultimately it's not worth it.

28:02Jackie Oshry:I completely agree. I want to say one thing about the episode last night. And I know like Sarah can do no wrong. She's a queen. But she did something that pissed me off. Her and Mia, when they like pulled KJ to the side.

28:13Claudia Oshry:A thousand percent.

28:14Jackie Oshry:And we're like, we're just going to check in. Like, are you moving really fast? I feel like KJ and Dara have really given nobody any reason to doubt them. Like, and it's also not moving fast. I hate when people are like, oh, we're not going to sleep with other people and we're going to get to know one. That's not moving fast. And it was the same thing with Jesse and Lexi. And it's like, oh, I just, I'm such a Lexi truther. But like, it's the same exact thing. Like nobody's making such a big spectacle of it. But the fact that he's even made a conversation like actually pissed me off.

28:40Claudia Oshry:Not only that they went to KJ, which I thought was like so rude. And I do feel like. Not girls, girl. They see like KJ as a little brother. So it's not like when they went to Jesse about Lexi because that was all like people who are literally like sitting on his lap and rubbing butts. Like, yeah, no, it was very familial. It was definitely like totally platonic. But first in the car, they sit like she shares her good news and they're like, don't you think you're moving a little fast? Like, first of all, no. Well, how when did they meet each other? Four or five weeks ago, four or five weeks of intentionally dating, like every other night seeing that person.

29:10Claudia Oshry:Like, yeah, at that point, ask me to be your girlfriend or what the fuck are we doing? I completely agree. I haven't to say that no problem I did not like that I I thought it was wrong from like from especially Mia initiated and she's like my fave but you know me too it happens and then that they went to KJ and planted these things in his head when men you know Dara's you know women are stalwart and we know what we want but that's all it takes you say that to him and he's like clams up even the other time when Lindsay told him something at Ben someone's daily said about Ben and then like he's treating Dara differently like you don't fuck with someone's relationship

29:42Jackie Oshry:like that what are you doing I agree and well I believe it came from a good place like it was so not supportive and I don't feel like the two of them are acting anyway but responsibly like I don't

29:51Claudia Oshry:know what the problem is no and I can understand with Jessie and Lexi if it's every week you come out and there's a new drama and then we hear that you're exclusively dating we're gonna have some questions because there's been drama these two are so worry free and knowing that they're dating today like they're obviously right for each other even if even if it doesn't work out like in this moment they're right for each other and they know what they want like I hated that and was giving like Carl and Lindsay and everyone yeah they're moving too fast like seriously stop with that and you know people around here they're kind of grown it's time to make haste agreed agreed agreed oh when they went to the the medium and the medium was talking about like Mia having a daughter like

30:30Jackie Oshry:I was crying like I was actually sobbing I I kind of need like a Mia spinoff like I heard a brother like something I just like I it's very hard for me to get on board with like a new cast members personal storyline I just no matter I just find it like I need to really know you before I care but with her like uh Ben was getting like a little choked up too like it was really emotional from

30:54Claudia Oshry:the job yeah yeah yeah uh yeah she's been such a value add to the show yeah I think like she's

31:02Jackie Oshry:here to stay 1000 % and I need her and Levi by the way Levi looks like Olivia Rodrigo Levi looks like Olivia Rodrigo where was Levi I haven't seen her in like three episodes and I saw her in a flashback I was like Olivia Rodrigo I like Bailey like I really do I hope she stays Bailey was there was she yeah she was like killing three girls she was killing the fly in the living

31:27Claudia Oshry:room with Carl you don't remember that wasn't from like the previous weekend or something no But they said there was three girls this weekend. Sierra, Mia, Dara. I feel like Bailey wasn't there.

31:40Jackie Oshry:I saw Bailey there. She was wearing like a chainmail dress.

31:44Claudia Oshry:Maybe.

31:45Jackie Oshry:But I think the episode spanned over two weekends. It was like a weekend and in the city.

31:50Claudia Oshry:Like a Sunday. The dog event, which they totally added back in for the way they added.

31:54Jackie Oshry:Yeah, because how uninteresting.

31:56Claudia Oshry:No, and they wanted to show that lingering hug also on Watch What Happens Live. Andy was doing his watch what happens five at the end or whatever and it was like five reasons why this episode was so cringe for covers of west mandavale did you see this no I must have fell and fall asleep like I didn't he's like so he's reading through all the five things that were like really shocking to watch in this episode given what we know now and like I don't know why towards the end it was like he hated every minute of what he was saying and I feel like not because he hates his job but I feel like he felt like it was a little bit too shot in Freud and like they were like capitalizing too much on like the sierra heartbreak and he felt like sort of sad and he as he's reading these words he's like literally wants to stop reading them and he's like looking around like who fucking wrote this jaggett i'm telling you last night was a

32:40Jackie Oshry:weird episode like if you are if you're in tune with like andy cohen's fluctuating moods yesterday was because they were like high highs and really low lows like sometimes he just doesn't even listen to the guest's response.

32:53Claudia Oshry:Someone on Zoom was asking a question. Oh, yeah. She was so sweet. She dared to make a little joke, and then Jesse joked back with her, and Andy got visibly frustrated, and Jesse gave it to him a little bit. He was like, come on. He was just a little bit like, what's the big fucking deal?

33:09Jackie Oshry:No, Andy was seriously on his period last night. He was so moody.

33:13Claudia Oshry:We should do another podcast where we watch Watch What Happens Live every night, and then the next day just talk about how Andy was.

33:20Jackie Oshry:Yeah, some of it is predictable. Like when there's really big stars, like he's never going to act like that. He reserves that for like reality stars and his own Bravo Liberty people. And some nights he's just like in a good mood. I think some nights he drinks and that like always lifts his spirits, but most nights he doesn't. And like the man is super hardworking. He does the radio in the morning and he's a full-time, you know, working parent. And like, I feel you, but like you can't be so rude sometimes. He's so rude.

33:46Claudia Oshry:He was really rude in that moment with the person on Zoom. She made a little joke. She was adorable. We were just like conversing. Like you just have to like let it flow. And okay, so maybe you don't get to ask another question before the commercial break. But like it is what it is.

34:00Jackie Oshry:And you don't even want to ask a question before the commercial break. So just leave it alone.

34:05Claudia Oshry:You don't want to ask a question.

34:07Jackie Oshry:Guess I'll start.

34:09Claudia Oshry:I get. I do think Ben should reach out to Jesse.

34:12Jackie Oshry:He literally said that he was going to like DM him.

34:14Claudia Oshry:I think they would be good friends.

34:16Jackie Oshry:and I think Jesse needs just like a bunch of like good loyal like people around him yeah yeah bummer well he needs to also write another um I thought it was going to be like a seasonal thing where he did what would Jesse Solomon do like I thought we get one every season oh yeah

34:34Claudia Oshry:but now like everyone makes fun of his singing and like he just doesn't feel like himself stop they've sort of beat it out of him they have I'm sad yeah no it's like kind of sad

34:44Jackie Oshry:No if you watch last night's episode Of Watch What Happens Live like he was Defeated like he was visibly Like shrunken It was sad

34:55Claudia Oshry:Our next story is some more reality TV news Because Secret Lives of Mormon Wives But they are filming They will resume their season 5 production Without Taylor, Frankie, Paul And Dakota People Magazine reports a lot of people reported Productions back up no Taylor no Dakota But of course Taylor commented on People Magazine's post saying, interesting, that's not the call I got.

35:24Jackie Oshry:So Hulu is having their get real, you know, the event that it's like their upfronts that we saw on Love Thy Nader and on Secret Lies, where they make a lot of new announcements. We always hear about new shows, premiere dates, we see trailers. It's like a big, so that I think is today in LA. Lots of rumors swirling. You know, people think, and this just might be like, but I've heard it now twice from two separate places, that they're going to announce that they will be releasing Taylor Franke's Paul's season of The Bachelorette. Because she's sort of been vindicated legally.

35:56Claudia Oshry:I want to say. I would be shocked. I just want to say, like, I'm here for it.

36:02Jackie Oshry:But we read the spoilers.

36:04Claudia Oshry:But we read the, that's true, that's true. What do you think? Are you here for it?

36:09Jackie Oshry:I think that they're not going to do it It was such a big decision You can't backtrack on it Like you just can't

36:16Claudia Oshry:But where'd you hear it? What are the two places that you heard it?

36:19Jackie Oshry:Like Twitter and TikTok Like from two separate corners

36:22Claudia Oshry:Oh, not like Dimwax and Endy

36:23Jackie Oshry:No, not like someone I know in the industry No, it was giving rumor But just putting it out there Just in case it's true

36:29Claudia Oshry:Yeah I don't know why I'm like I kind of I feel like I would be into that

36:36Jackie Oshry:In terms of Salama with or without Taylor, like it's still a good show. And I don't know, I'm kind of down to like tone it down a little bit. Like it doesn't have to be so crazy. Like I just liked the show in the beginning when they were fighting about like brand deals.

36:48Claudia Oshry:Who's not following who? Not like all this stuff. Yeah, not this.

36:51Jackie Oshry:It stopped being fun. So if Taylor's filming, like fine. But I don't need her there, honestly.

36:59Claudia Oshry:Yeah, I just...

37:01Jackie Oshry:Like the show used to be simple, you know?

37:03Claudia Oshry:I just feel sorry for her.

37:04Jackie Oshry:I know.

37:06Claudia Oshry:and so if she but i don't if the bat like the bachelorette doesn't need to come out and i guess at this point it's kind of irrelevant even though she's like flirting with doug in the comments right um but so no bachelorette no dancing with the stars if she's not back on slamo like where does her life go from here though i do think she's a very wealthy woman i think her

37:25Jackie Oshry:her life goes up like i think i don't know if she's in a place where she would turn down any opportunities because it's so addicting right the money the fame the attention she is like the big dog in the group like it's I get it and she's posting a lot about her healing journey and like a person who is like genuinely interested in healing would say no yeah that's true she might

37:44Claudia Oshry:be better off if she doesn't do it she can maybe come back in two years but like I really think

37:52Jackie Oshry:this has not been like a good fame has not been good for her and like it's okay to say no to stuff Like it really is. People like don't say no to stuff.

38:02Claudia Oshry:Yeah, that's true. And I think that like she really just needs to focus on like herself and her family. When they stopped filming and the girls called it off, it was because they said there was a lot more that they had learned that like they didn't want to film anymore. And we were sort of waiting for that shoe to drop.

38:18Jackie Oshry:The girls are so wishy-washy. They said that and then on Call Her Daddy, Jessie was like riding for Taylor. Like they don't know what they think.

38:25Claudia Oshry:Jessie didn't say that, but it was like Miranda. oh yeah Layla Chase yeah so that never happened

38:38Claudia Oshry:and when when we thought there was more I was like okay well she can't film if this just keeps getting worse like no right like we're done with this person but if she's been sort of like

38:46Jackie Oshry:vindicated and there's nothing else it's just so heavy like she she brings a heaviness that I'm actually just not really interested in watching on reality TV like the show in the beginning was so silly and fun and it was cool to see the life of these influencers and the brand deals and like the drama was good you kissed whatever but like now like it's not fun anymore yeah

39:12Claudia Oshry:yeah so we'll see but I wonder what I'm excited for that Hulu event yeah I wonder if

39:17Jackie Oshry:they have like any new shows maybe we'll get a love thy nader season two I wonder if thy

39:21Claudia Oshry:naders are gonna be there because like they're in the

39:23Jackie Oshry:I think they are no they're back they're back

39:25Claudia Oshry:yeah okay good i wonder what they learned and what they contributed to science hopefully it

39:30Jackie Oshry:was worth it but yeah i wonder if hulu has any new shows we'll find out yeah i love i love the

39:39Claudia Oshry:hulu get real it's a fun time of year yeah we'll find out tomorrow i guess yeah are you ready for our next story three number three yes kendall jenner and jacob alorty have been dating for months apparently thanks to kylie so kendall and jacob sparked dating rumors when they were spotted making out and all over each other at coachella but apparently they've been dating for two months according to a daily mail report which was published on tuesday a source told the outlet that kylie was actually the one who played matchmaker for her and jacob quote kylie was around jacob a lot during timothy's award season marathon because jacob was nominated for frankenstein timothy was nominated for marty the supreme kylie liked him and thought he would be good for kenny so she was like girl get on it date this guy already okay cute um even though i i'm like not

40:29Jackie Oshry:inspired by this relationship i just think like they actually are twins like from the back no their faces not even from the back from the front everything like their height their hair color their eyes like i their bodies like they're both like late like tall and skinny like i'm not inspired by this choice but I do feel like maybe I'm wrong but I would feel like Timothy and Jacob Elordi like wouldn't like each other don't you feel they probably go out for the same roles

40:56Claudia Oshry:and like are competitive with one another maybe and maybe Jacob is like that and petty but I don't think that Timothy is I think Timothy like believes and to the point that he knows that he's on such another level I don't think he is jealous I don't think he competes I don't think he like looks at other people like that I think he's like so self-assured and confident Jacob

41:15Jackie Oshry:might act that way but i do think i just i feel like they both position themselves as like the actor of their generation you know the brad pitt but like there's brad and george and matt right

41:28Claudia Oshry:right like right i think there's room for all of them and i think that timothy firmly believes that i think that jacob has to tell himself that every morning in the mirror when he does his affirmation yeah like timothy chalamet is not better than me timothy chalamet

41:44Jackie Oshry:I am great. There's room for me and Timothy. There's room for me and Timothy. Well, obviously, like looking forward to next award season, I need them to continue dating just until then so we can get like the four of them at the Golden Globes and things like that.

41:57Claudia Oshry:And even though like it's not the most interesting pairing, like what would be interesting to me is like if this is a serious relationship. I'm kind of like rooting for that, you know, for Kenny. Like what if this is her big one?

42:09Jackie Oshry:Well, Jacob Elordi is like a serial monogamist.

42:12Claudia Oshry:Yes, so is she kind of. She has like, yeah, she likes boyfriends.

42:16Jackie Oshry:Yeah. And so he's not like, I mean, maybe he's a philanderer on the side. But like, as far as we know, he gets into very long term relationships. Even Olivia Jade was like three years.

42:25Claudia Oshry:Yeah. So I think that if they want to get serious, my ears are perked up for that.

42:31Jackie Oshry:Yeah. It's just like it doesn't bode well, at least for me, because it just feels like the same like young Hollywood circle jerk, Austin Butler, Kaya Gerber, like the same four people all just swapping partners every year.

42:41Claudia Oshry:Yeah. But if one of them wanted to get engaged, married, and or have a child, I'm all ears.

42:47Jackie Oshry:Oh, of course. Of course. If they want to take to the next love.

42:50Claudia Oshry:Even that goes for Austin Butler, Olivia Jane.

42:53Jackie Oshry:Where in the world is Austin Butler?

42:57Claudia Oshry:Around here, there, everywhere.

42:59Jackie Oshry:Did he ever make another movie after Elvis?

43:02Claudia Oshry:No, Claudia. He's in like a lot of stuff that just we don't see.

43:05Jackie Oshry:Dune. Dune.

43:07Claudia Oshry:Oh, so he knows Timothy then.

43:09Jackie Oshry:I'm telling you the young Hollywood circle jerk continues

43:13Claudia Oshry:He was in The Carrie Diaries He was in Eddington

43:19Jackie Oshry:I want to talk about The Carrie Diaries Thank you so much for bringing that up I've been actually waiting for the right time The Carrie Diaries was a Two season prequel To Sex and the City On CW It starred Anna Sophia Robb as a young Carrie Bradshaw And Austin Butler Played the cool boy at school who liked Carrie despite her curly hair. It was literally the best show. You had to sort of suspend the connection to...

43:46Claudia Oshry:Sex and the City.

43:47Jackie Oshry:Because it was not Carrie at all, but every time they felt like they were sort of distancing themselves too much from Sex and the City, they would make her go to New York and be like, I love Manhattan, and then she would go back to Connecticut. Yeah, it was such a good show. Justice for that motherfucking show. You know, I went to college with Anna Sophia Robb, and she was at NYU the same time as me.

44:06Claudia Oshry:And were you friends?

44:08Jackie Oshry:no there were a couple of like celebrities at nyu the cole and dylan sprouse twins they were everywhere always bopping around um they were like always at the library and stuff and then um anna sofia rob of course and i believe at the same time emma stone started grad school there but i never saw her at like the library or anything grad that was a cool part like being at nyu like was genuinely one of the worst experiences of my whole life but the proximity to like lots of celebrities was an underrated part of it and you know everyone at nyu was like so alt right like blue haired energy like they hated celebrities meanwhile i was like spending my entire time there like hunting down the famous people who were my fellow students like didn't make one friend of a celebrity oh of a celebrity no but i made one friend period one friend sorry i wasn't like you didn't make one celebrity friend um i mean to find celebrity because i was friends

44:58Claudia Oshry:i was friends with myself sprouts you know i didn't make any like long term Right. She went to NYU.

45:07Jackie Oshry:Oh, was she there at the same time as me? I don't think so. I know because Riverdale was was after I graduated. So I wouldn't have known.

45:13Claudia Oshry:Oh, no, you wouldn't have known. No, you wouldn't have known.

45:16Jackie Oshry:You know, I'm sure there are people there like me who weren't famous at the time. We're famous now like Lady Gaga. But I'm talking about people who were pre-established celebrities who then like decided to go to college.

45:26Claudia Oshry:Yes. Oh, by the way, to answer your question, Stin Butler, according to IMDb, has eight projects coming up. and one of them is the American Psycho remake, which he is starring in, and also a Lance Armstrong movie. I guess he's playing Lance.

45:41Jackie Oshry:I love that.

45:43Claudia Oshry:Yeah, so he's got eight things. So I think Miami Vice. You know, I met Lance Armstrong. No, I didn't know that.

45:50Jackie Oshry:Yeah, I kind of have a crazy story, but I don't think I could say it.

45:53Claudia Oshry:Okay, don't say it. See if we care. Okay, I'll say it. See if we care.

45:59Jackie Oshry:You know, he's a nice guy.

46:01Claudia Oshry:give like freaky vibes you know so so which one is it both do you want to tell us please tell us no no i i don't want to i don't want to okay are you sure yeah okay nice guy nice guy our next story uh devil wears pride a little news on some cameos that got cut oh wait sorry sorry you can't um you can't do that i can't tell you about the cameos that got cut because it's the cameos that got cut that are brought to you by booking.com booking.ya that makes sense so let's talk about

46:32Jackie Oshry:travel you know I feel like travel it's not always easy imagine you're traveling with three toddlers two grandparents a nap schedule all the rules that's obviously like where we're coming from but like perhaps like you're a young fabulous thing on a bachelorette party the girls get stranded like there's a million ways of travel can go wrong but there's also a million ways that travel can go right and that's where booking.com comes in they offer a wide array of hotels and vacation rentals across the U.S. So you can find exactly what you're booking for. So there's something for everyone, even those who are impossible to please, whether you're booking for yourself, your partner, picky teenagers, a bachelorette party, a girls trip, a swirls trip.

47:06Jackie Oshry:You can find exactly what you're booking for. They have tons of different options on U.S. domestic stays, which I love. I feel like I'm always looking for new places to go. I feel like I have the battle of going on vacation, like figuring out where to go. And then, you know, obviously different trips require different things. These days I'm like very much like needing a kitchenette. You know, I'm needing more of a home rental than a hotel. If it's just me and Ben, we're looking for, you know, sexy vibes, swim up bar, whatever you're booking for. Booking.com has everything that you need to get a party trip up and off the ground.

47:34Jackie Oshry:Because there's one thing about like, you know, talking about a trip, but it's another to take the group trip like out of the group chat. That's a huge accomplishment. And Booking.com can help you with that. So find exactly what you're booking for. It's Booking.com. It's Booking Zot. Yeah. You can book today on their site, which is, of course, Booking.com or in their app, Booking.com. Today's episode is also brought to you by Vanderpump Villa. Vanderpump Villa is back, and this season it heads to the English countryside of Rosecroft Park, a new playground for luxury, indulgence, and plenty of chaos, all under the watchful eye of Lisa Vanderpump.

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51:27Jackie Oshry:You're welcome. Jerk.

51:28Claudia Oshry:Our next story, devil wears product cameos that got cut. So now that people have seen the movie, um, cameos that didn't, did not make it are being shared. So first Sydney Sweeney was meant to be in the movie. She was being like dressed by, she was playing herself dressed by like Emily Blunt's character. And they wound up cutting it out of the movie. they said it was like too clunky and hard to cut out but that they did oh interesting also this is weird someone an actor named conrad ricomora he's from how to get away with murder he was meant to play andy's roommate and he his cameo got cut but like why would it got cut because why would andy

52:03Jackie Oshry:have a roommate oh no i'm scared like i'm scared i told you guys i am scared like i this sequel like it's just important and some of the things i'm seeing are like promising and some of the things I'm seeing are not. Also justice for Hannah Burner don't you find like it was literally like confirmed they're like Paige is in the movie. Everyone's been talking about Paige in the movie and it's like Paige and Hannah are actually in the movie.

52:26Claudia Oshry:Oh why did everyone say just Paige?

52:28Jackie Oshry:Because Paige was spotted on set. Hannah wasn't in the picture so it just was like oh just Paige. She's like the fashion girl so like she'll be in the movie but it was both of them.

52:37Claudia Oshry:That's funny. That's crazy that they're in the movie and actually Anna Wintour is not in the movie.

52:43Jackie Oshry:Good. I think she's in like a gag take

52:46Claudia Oshry:And probably will be like a bonus feature Or whatever like that On the DVD? Yeah because she went to the set one day And apparently she saw the flowers And she said Dior would never have those flowers And they changed the flowers

52:56Jackie Oshry:They changed the flowers

52:58Claudia Oshry:They were like too much volume And like too pink She was like they would only have white flowers

53:02Jackie Oshry:So I saw like one scene of the movie It's like Andy gets an assistant

53:08Claudia Oshry:And I'm just scared Like I'm just scared But it's really concerning that they would have her having a roommate.

53:16Jackie Oshry:Yeah, well, where, so I know, like, we pick up, and Andy gets a job at Runway, which is so, like, unrealistic. I like my premise for the movie so much better. I know, like, everyone's tired of hearing me say it, but mine was better, that she became, like, a huge features writer for, like, New York Magazine, and she got tasked with the job of profiling Miranda, and she has to shadow her for, like, a month. So much better. Because, Andy, that Andy would ever, unless we find Andy, she's, like, down on her luck and, like, homeless, she would never go back to Runway. she's like home half right right because you would assume she was like a young girl in her

53:47Claudia Oshry:20s movie came out when 20 years ago 20 years ago she's in her 40s right so you would think like and

53:54Jackie Oshry:she was hustler like she was job job job job job job job job and that she finally left and she was she got a job at boston globe like it was supposed to be better for andy yeah um but also i think she

54:07Claudia Oshry:was very cause-driven you know didn't she want to be writing being cause-driven doesn't pay the

54:12Jackie Oshry:bills she was writing about the janitorial strike remember yeah and she wanted to write about like

54:16Claudia Oshry:happenings in the world and so maybe like runway has now a job for that and that's her job and she's able to she's the head of features yeah where maybe they're cause-driven features it's

54:28Jackie Oshry:giving how to lose a guy in 10 days when like andy anderson wants to write about like the war in afghanistan not push-up bras yeah it's like girl you work at cosmo yeah but you know what i think now they do yeah they do both now and I feel like maybe Vogue does but like maybe it's

54:42Claudia Oshry:just like a sign of the times like now it's just like very cause-driven like less fluff right

54:49Jackie Oshry:so again I think the movie comes out Friday I am gonna see it and I just want to reiterate I

54:54Claudia Oshry:hope I'm wrong but I'm scared yeah uh yeah I'm not scared and so I guess Stanley Chuchi I can't

55:02Jackie Oshry:live in fear you know so i guess stanley chuchi still works at runway which is also like no he would he would he would she'll pay me back maybe she does pay him back i think that he would i

55:18Claudia Oshry:think there are people that work that's like a job that yeah yeah you have forever even if you get passed over for stuff yeah but like that you grow like that's where you are yeah because there

55:27Jackie Oshry:isn't like and if you're in fashion there's really nowhere to go like after that right Yeah, it's like the Mecca.

55:34Claudia Oshry:Our fifth and final story, Reese Witherspoon is in some hot water over her support for AI. This is so weird.

55:42Jackie Oshry:People are just obsessed with being mad.

55:46Claudia Oshry:About AI. About stuff in general, but yeah. About everything, but definitely about AI. Last week, Reese went viral for declaring that the AI revolution has begun. Well, I'm glad she let us know.

55:56Jackie Oshry:Well, no, she went viral because not only did she acknowledge that the revolution has begun, Like, thanks, we know. She was encouraging women to, like, learn about AI so they don't get left behind.

56:05Claudia Oshry:Yeah, she said the jobs women hold are three times more likely to be automated by AI, yet women are using AI at a rate 25 % lower than men on average. We don't want to be left behind. The post attracted some backlash with people pointing out the problems associated with data centers and intellectual property and accusing Witherspoon of being paid by AI companies to promote generative tools. So, yeah, the way she posted just about, like, AI awareness, it was giving, like, paid by AI to make you aware of AI but it was actually not paid at all she just sort of wanted to

56:33Jackie Oshry:send it on I wasn't I wasn't actually not giving the vibe getting the vibe at all that it was paid or like a backhand endorsement of AI I actually understood what she was saying and it's like yeah we can all be like writing think pieces on AI but it's coming so you can either get on board or lose your job and like have no expertise I actually thought it was like a helpful warning to women and you know that's all she does is like women women women

56:55Claudia Oshry:it was completely out of nowhere

56:58Jackie Oshry:well no she no she's a huge business owner and like ai is a huge topic of conversation in hollywood

57:04Claudia Oshry:too yeah but it's it's a hot button issue so to wait in when like no and i'm not saying that she shouldn't wait in and by the way you know i don't really care what she said or like i genuinely right i'm just saying like how it might have looked to people who like to care like she wades into this topic out of nowhere and seems to be like supporting automation when like her

57:26Jackie Oshry:industry is really against it it's i mean it's just happening like we know that we know that

57:32Claudia Oshry:yeah just like that she's getting it all in on ai and like letting us know i feel like people

57:36Jackie Oshry:probably thought of it as a betrayal okay fine so be it um i don't care and yeah you guys can fight it all you want it is coming so like let's keep talking about how much we hate it or let's

57:49Claudia Oshry:like you know work together let's make a better stir fry you know correct now there were also

57:55Jackie Oshry:conspiracy theories because you know her company got acquired by a company that has a stake in a large controlling ai company it's like ai everyone in business has some sort of vested interest in ai so i'm not down to theorize here like i don't think she's like that i actually think like she

58:09Claudia Oshry:thought she was being helpful for women and i think she thought she was just like posting like something motivational for women like as you do like just like mindless women jargon that people like say online woman stuff did you know 25 of women are not you know like i don't think I think she just thought she was creating content for women and didn't realize she like stepped in on a mind. Big.

58:31Jackie Oshry:And then she released like another Instagram story being like, oh, had no idea everyone was going to be.

58:36Claudia Oshry:Yeah, but she's so perturbed. To be clear, no one's paying me to talk about this. I'm just a curious human. My kids are learning about AI tools. I know a lot of founders who are vibe coding and I hear about people using AI in every sector of business. But I want to acknowledge people's concerns. They're valid. I'm aware of this impact this could have on jobs across so many industries. I understand environmental concerns. I care deeply about local communities. Well, that's - Who doesn't? I thought she didn't care about local communities.

59:00Jackie Oshry:And when I read her initial statement, I said, oh, this is a person who not only doesn't care about local communities, but hates local communities.

59:06Claudia Oshry:I'm glad she cleared that up.

59:07Jackie Oshry:Me too. I feel good.

59:08Claudia Oshry:And I have concerns about impending AGI. The fuck's that?

59:13Jackie Oshry:Athletic greens?

59:14Claudia Oshry:AG1? Maybe it said AG1.

59:17Jackie Oshry:I'm cracking up.

59:18Claudia Oshry:I don't believe computers should replace humanity. That's good. Oh, I do.

59:22Jackie Oshry:I think I actually do.

59:24Claudia Oshry:For a second, I thought she wanted me to become a computer.

59:27Jackie Oshry:A robot. Yeah. I thought you wanted me to become a computer.

59:30Claudia Oshry:Okay. Clear that up.

59:32Jackie Oshry:I actually really appreciate her cleaning that up.

59:34Claudia Oshry:She said, I'm planning on learning as much as possible so that I'm educated about this technological revolution.

59:39Jackie Oshry:This is so stupid. Like, seriously.

59:44Jackie Oshry:I just, like, people are so intent on, like, misunderstanding other people, especially celebrities. and so having to even release a statement as moronic as i support my local communities like i just wish she didn't because like you're indulging behavior of people who like are forcing backlash and like just really intent on misunderstanding so like while this is funny like

1:00:02Claudia Oshry:i wish she wouldn't have even responded but i feel like maybe she doesn't support like distant communities oh maybe supports communities at our local what about foreign communities well that's not very inclusive of her what about foreign communities like this is just words do you know But I'm not a part of her local community, so she doesn't support me.

1:00:22Jackie Oshry:She definitely doesn't support you.

1:00:24Claudia Oshry:She definitely doesn't. Well, it's because redheads were obviously competitors. Competitive, yeah, of course. You're competitive in nature. I like to think of myself as a Timothy. There's space for all the guys.

1:00:32Jackie Oshry:Oh, speaking of, thank you. Did you see Charlize Theron was talking about Timothy's ballet thing? Girl, like you're four months late. Oh, God. I did see. And she was really upset. And she was like, you know what? I feel good about the fact that AI is going to take your job, but never the job of a performer on a stage yeah i saw that god just genuinely insufferable i hope i see him like it's on it's on genuinely like that 30 second clip is just like why people in hollywood can be so unlikable like this is not a real problem no it's not a real problem

1:01:08Claudia Oshry:it's really not and it's like we all hate AI right

1:01:13Jackie Oshry:until it comes to Timothee Chalamet's job

1:01:15Claudia Oshry:yeah the enemy of my enemy is my friend

1:01:18Jackie Oshry:but he's not filming

1:01:20Claudia Oshry:and that's us I think we're done filming

1:01:22Jackie Oshry:yeah right because we have no problem sitting with the secret lives of Mormon wives in her dress but she's not filming I'm sorry like that will forever be the lamest thing on planet earth i love him for that i do too step by step that vocal stim as the children say is going to rehabilitate his reputation yeah well the place looks beautiful it always does well thank you should that be our new outro because i can't i have to stop saying like yes spotify okay so it'll go like this it'll take me a while but thank you so much for listening to the toast the millennial morning show where we deliver the fast five stories that you need to know every Monday through Friday on YouTube, Spotify, and Apple Podcasts.

1:02:10Jackie Oshry:Well, the place looks great. It always does. Thank you.

1:02:14Claudia Oshry:Love ya. Bye.

1:02:35Jackie Oshry:Magic.