How Suzy Seas It with Suzy Weiss: Monday, November 17th, 2025

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23:38I do. So we're getting an update on Jessie and husband Jordan's, like where they stand after their affair. They also put their house for sale, which I think also people thought was like a divorce indicator. So the star Jessie confirmed on the show's third season that she had an emotional affair with Marciano Brunette during his last name was actually Brunette yeah I'm Susie Redhead like sorry I'm turning like chocolate brown yeah um Jesse shared that she and Jordan are in a much better place she said we are back together she told um Elite Daily in an interview published November 14th so what's today three days ago all right I guess that's like pretty recent I thought it was like a little bit later Jesse um and Jordan who share two kids together five and two said marriage is hard relationships in general aren't easy.

24:17I just wanted to know that no matter what, whether we ended up together or not, I gave it my all. I can say I don't regret trying. She also recently told the news, I think a situation like ours is going to take time. It's not going to be something that's just amazing overnight. And a part of that process has been going to therapy. So therapy factors so big in this show. I know. Well, not at working on Miss Taylor Frankie Paul. Like she's a healed individual. Oh, when she goes to Jesse, she's like, stay in your power, stay in your power at the HydroJug brand activation. I'm loving all the brand activation.

24:48I wonder if like the brands pay extra to be featured, even though it's becoming like a part of the storyline where it's like, well, we have Minky Couture event. And then we have Jet Set by Acta event. Like I'm obsessed with the events. And that really is what like being an influencer is like. Like your work is at night and I'm loving it. But I do wonder if the brands have to pay extra to be featured on the show for sure. I would assume they have to pay extra to have a fight at their event. Right. Near the Bloom Bar at the HydroJug event. Right. No, but the Jet Set, when Demi was like, I'm going live.

25:15Like, that was so crazy. And the producer had to talk to her. Like, that was great for Jet Set. What the fuck is Jet Set? I almost Googled it. Like, I got curious by Acta. Acta by Jet Set. I'm just really curious because I've posted about it on my Instagram about Jesse and Jordan. And I got, like, kind of split takes. What your take on the affair, on him, the emotional abuse? Like, whose side are you on? I'm on Jesse's side because she is such a girl's girl. Like, any girl who does hair. Yeah. And it's just like, she is very loyal. I am on Taylor Frankie Paul's side that they shouldn't have invited Marciano Brunette to dinner.

25:49And she's like doing her hair to meet Marciano in St. George. It's like, we've lost the plot. So I'm 100 % Team Jessie, especially when she like told us about the emotional abuse. I was like, I feel like sometimes people use words that like certain words have lost their meaning. Because people are like, well, that's abuse. Well, it's not. Right. So when she said that, I was like, okay. I was like, let's see what she's talking about. And the second she said it, I'm like, oh. there is something so sinister and dark about him right especially the fact that she makes all the money she cleans the house she takes she does fucking what the fuck does he do every day like i don't know the second she pointed it out i'm like goes and works out with dakota correct in his tank top yeah i was like no there's something extremely dark here i really really do not mess with him like at all and yes i just need to say i'm 100 team jesse but her behavior inst george was really crazy like getting all giddy and like meeting up with marciano and i like that they that they brought on Marciano, her determination to clear her name makes me believe her 100%.

26:42But it's like, she's like, I need to clear my name and prove that I didn't have sex with him. Let's all take a lie detector test. I'm like, you're making this half the episode. Yeah, even though like, I kind of liked that lie detector woman who would not go on camera. Oh, okay. Matters of national security. This show, every second is so amazing. She goes, it's actually for matters of national security. Everyone has the same lie detector. That guy, he does all these YouTubers, all the reality TVs. He's been on Kardashians. He did Lisa Vanderpump. Anyone who's ever taken a lie detector on tests, it's that one guy with a mustache.

27:08He was on Carpool Karaoke. Like, I... Do you, have you ever taken a lie detector test? I have not, have you? No, but they're not admissible in my court. They're not real. So that's the, that's like the kind of the unspoken thing happening here. They are not 100 % valid. Yeah. They're not admissible. It's not like, you can't use it as evidence, right? No, I don't think so. Right, because a true, they measure like your heart rate. A true sociopath can like stay calm and look like they're telling the truth. But also, who is the television reality star if not a sociopath? like correct so i agree with you i'm so team jesse but like honestly she was being really crazy and i have such mixed feelings because like up until this point i really have not been riding for macy and mikaela i feel like they've been mean girls the whole time and now everyone's like they're mean girls well it's like actually no now i like them like yeah because they're being mean to the right person they're being mean to jordan like i feel like the last two seasons especially mikaela she was so like what we call it fibbis and a punim like sour like when she vibes like but she had like rosacea or something no i know but like i didn't mean in a physical sense i meant more in like uh like the way her face was like curmudgeon-y yeah she's so mean too and now everyone's like mikaela and macy are mean girls i'm like well yeah we've been saying that the whole time but now they're actually like putting their efforts towards their powers for good yes and i hate jordan and i'm sorry him inviting everyone over to a barbecue at his house to get people on his side in a house that he didn't pay for and meat that he didn't pay for and a tank top that was too small i was shook when layla says did you rent this out for the after it oh i don't even think she meant it to be so like that was the most cutting thing i think it just sort of like fell out of her mouth oh ben ben was like not watching he was like scrolling on his phone i went like oh he was like what's wrong i'm like no that was just so crazy and she i feel like up until this point her presence on the show has kind of felt random yeah she doesn't know who she is she's so young she's a mom of two and i think when she came on the show she was 21 like that's fucking crazy her body is oh my god i feel sick watching the show as a postpartum woman like it's not right Layla's body is unbelievable it's like oh supermodel just walked in it's unbelievable insane oh I feel like I could throw up every time I see her um but I feel like this year she really is like stepping her pussy up she's been amazing she's putting her whole pussy yes I love how um loyal she's been to Jessie she brought up that thing and a lot of the women like claim to be loyal and then bring something up at a party and like whatever she like pulled Jessie aside in the first episode like took her to the car said like this is what Marciano's saying like I feel like she's been she was stood up really hard for Jessie against Demi, who showed up also with curly hair.

29:24I mean, people were joking online. It was like, she's not allowed to go to J.C. Styles. So like she had to come up with her natural hair. I was cracking up. J.C. Styles. I need to get my hair done at J.C. Styles. What do you think about her dating her ex's brother? Oh, but you might not have gotten that far. Chase. I think his name is Chase. Yes. Wait, who's dating? Mason. Layla's dating. Layla likes Miranda's ex's brother, right? And that's why she invited him to her party. That was it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I thought he was cute. Yeah. I don't know. these guys, Dad Talk. Dad Talk. Ben could not get over Dad Talk.

29:55He was listening with half an ear and when we sat down, he was like, can we watch something else? I'm like, no. And he was like, okay, I'm going to scroll my phone. I'm like, okay, bye, have fun. Meanwhile, every 10 seconds, he's like, did they just say Dad Talk? That's so lame. I'm like, no, it's so embarrassing. Do you think, how do you think Ben would fare in Dad Talk? That's an amazing question. I think he'd do great. I think he would love it. He would love it. 1 ,000%. Like, I think he would thrive. I don't know if he would feel good about being like part of an ensemble. star on his own. But I think he would make it work just for the engagement, for the likes, for the followers.

30:25Exactly. A thousand percent. It's the best show. I honestly just hope MomTalk could survive this. It's unclear. Oh, and I also love how nobody's on the show. Like, literally, there were three girls for the first couple of episodes. Finally, Miranda just got back in. No Jen, no Whitney, no Demi. Yeah, because Jen moved to Arizona, but then she comes back. Right, now she's coming back. She's, like, back in the part that I'm up to. She's, like, slowly coming back into the fold. I actually really like her. Jen Affleck? Yeah, she just has, like, a chip on her shoulder about the fact that, like, everyone was talking about her marriage and like Jesse was going through this thing in private.

30:54Well, because she sort of did. She was like, I'm a perfect Mormon wife, but like it wasn't. And Zach was like, we need to be more decent. But also like it all happened on camera. So I don't know how she expected us not to talk about it. The whole thing was insane. But I do think Jesse's like actually being really mature. And like when they had that conversation at, I forgot what event it was. I thought the way like she handled herself was like, I was projecting I'm really sorry. She kind of disarmed Jen, who was like going to come after her. Yeah. Professional reality star that Jessie oh she's unbelievable she's going places so um do you watch speaking of Mormons do you watch um Sister Wives ever Sister Wives this guy oh my I recognize that guy but I'm not you're missing out I'm not from what was that big show it was almost like Sopranos level how much people loved it uh Big Love yes I never watched it that was that was a scripted version of I think with this unscripted I I highly recommend if you ever want to go down like a really dark hole check out sister.

31:43I was, they have like 30 seasons on TLC. Um, and actually it's recently taken a turn and it's true plural marriage. Yes. It's the ugliest man you've ever seen with four wives. Are they polygamists? They're polygamists and they had to like flee. I forget where they lived. I think it was in Utah where polygamy is actually illegal. Um, and they were like living in secret. Only one of them is like legally married to him, the first wife. And then the rest were just like, you know, in God's eyes. Are they Mormon? Yes. Why are Mormons so good at this? They're fun. Yes, Yes, I know. Bloggers and reality stars, Mormons make the best.

32:14I think Mormons are just kind of good at everything right now. Like they're very, it's a very similar to Judaism, like a really kind of like cohesive community. And I think people also just find it interesting. Yeah, they're so fascinated by it. And it's like, what? You built a city? And it's like, it's an American religion. So is reality TV. So it's like the two American religions coming together. And am I also right in thinking it is also one of the newer religions in terms of like how long it's been around? Yeah, I think like 18, like Joseph Smith. who was like low key, like not that long ago.

32:41No. And he buried the, uh, the book, the tablets, the golden tablets. And he lost them. And then of course the book of Mormon, which was I think huge for like American interest in the religion in general. It was so good, but they're very like, yeah, I just liked them. And I think it's part of their religion to like present their lifestyle in a positive way. So there's kind of like a religious aspect to the whole thing. Yeah. It's also interesting how Real Housewives of Salt Lake City and Secret Lives and Mormon Lives are so different when they're essentially the same show. so different like a group of Mormon women or ex-Mormon all with complicated relationships to the church but the shows like seriously could not be more different and the byproducts of each show like Lisa Barlow she's not like anyone on Secret Lives oh wait who am I thinking who's the Jewish one on Meredith Marks Meredith Marks we love Lisa Barlow we also love we do she is Jewish converted to Mormon yes yes yes okay so let's do now that we're speaking of Bravo let's do a little BravoCon recap a couple of things happened a lot that I find out interesting but a couple that I don't Vicky Gommelson has been offered her orange back So they brought her out on stage, offered her an orange, said, would you like to come back?

33:41When she left, it was such a big deal. She was like, I think one of the first, no, maybe Nina Leakes, but OGs to be let go. And she also did not go quietly. She was really nasty at the reunion. This is Orange County. Orange County, yes. So the original, original. The original, original OG. The news was delivered by Andy Cohen during the taping of The Bravos, which is like an award show they do at BravoCon, on Friday. And while Vicky was on stage, Andy made a surprise appearance, presented her with an orange, and asked, Vicky, would you join us as a housewife? it kind of feels like she's been inducted as a member into the grand old opry when they like surprise you and they're like will you become a member of the grand old opry it's like this big stupid thing um it's funny then they should make that a tradition at like the bravos of like giving someone their um orange back i feel like actually oc is a unique franchise because it could have gone the way of new york um and jersey one of the og franchises where some of the women sort of just like phased out but they like before almost before they got to that place they brought back a couple of old people they got some newer people and they kind of saved the show I don't consider it one of like the duds but they got very close but that's sort of how they did with Beverly Hills yes like when they brought back Heather Dubrow I feel like that was really like helped a lot they got a lot of new interesting women and then like Gina and Emily who I know people like hate and love they are good reality stars so I feel like OC was really unique in the sense that they didn't fall off the cliff that Jersey and New York fell off of.

35:01I don't know at this current state, like what Vicky is going to do for the franchise, but it's good for morale. Yeah. Does she accept? Of course. Oh my God. Imagine if she didn't. I love that. I wonder if she knew. I'm sure she knew because they have to organize the contracts ahead of time. Right. Right. Well, that's another interesting aspect of all of these shows is that they're now talking about the contracts. Yes. And it's like it used to be that those things were separate, Like early Kardashians, they would never really talk about like their brand deals. I'm talking like a Mormon. That's how I feel.

35:33My healing journey. I'm cracking up. But you're right. It was like sort of unspoken. And now it's like part of the season. Like Whitney's like, oh, yeah, I'm only filming because one of our cast members was offered Dancing with the Stars. And like I wanted a role on a scripted show. The whole thing. It's so interesting. I love that. Like the breaking of the fourth wall. I feel like reality shows should have done that years ago. And anytime they'd ever done it, like when Courtney and Kim got in that crazy huge fight, the makeup was on the wall and they had to like cut the cameras. It felt so real.

36:03Like, and it's reality TV. Like, let's do more of that. I agree. And I love how every season of The Mormon Wives starts off with like some women missing because they're clearly negotiating their contracts. Right. And I find it interesting that they don't all negotiate together. I know. But it's also like, don't you understand that the show, it's potatoes, small potatoes compared to what they do. the platform that it gives you. Exactly. But it's like there's like so many entities. There's the church, there's the show and there's mom talk. And these are all like kind of loosely defined institutions that they're like kind of working.

36:36A part of. Right. But yeah, she's like she's not part of the show, but she is part of mom talk or whatever it is. Right. What does that mean? Like how does one differentiate? How can you be in mom talk but not on the show? I think Taylor Frankie Paul decides whether or not you're in mom talk and the Hulu producers decide whether you're not on the show and God decides whether or not you're in the church. I love that. That's really beautiful. I do find it interesting that she's very much still the leader of Mom Talk. Yeah. And like nothing will change that. Do you know what I mean? Because she also doesn't give a fuck.

37:03She's an incredible leader. Yeah. They should put her in Ukraine. What do you make of her as the bachelorette? Love. Yeah. It's also a lot of crossover. It's like that coming one is crushing. Yeah. The way that they throw the Dancing with the Stars girls, the Mormon Lives girls onto ABC for Dancing with the Stars. They bring in the Vanderpump people. The Nader girls are now at the events with the Mormon girls. The synergy is synergizing and it's beautiful to see. It is absolutely synergizing. Taylor Frankie Paul is going to make an amazing bachelorette. I also love like a bachelorette with kids.

37:36Yes. Dynamic. Yeah. Interesting. They can bring in Dakota for like a day. It's like, I know, but like watch the Nader show. Love the Nader. No, it's incredible. But they were influencers to reality show. Models. Models slash influencers. Because I feel like that doesn't usually work. It did not work with the D 'Amelios. Okay, let me tell you. When the show came out, I was like, literally, who cares? Like, I like Brooke Sater. She's like a pretty model. But like, what do I care about her family for? Let's put my feet here. Yes, of course. Please. This is not my couch. Please watch the show. You will love it.

38:04It's Four Sisters. No way. You're Four Sisters, too. You're Four Sisters. I'm Four Sisters, too. But you're two. I'm number three. Jackie's two. I know you thought Jackie was one. No, no. it's four sisters. Brooks is the oldest and she's like clearly the most successful, but the other three are the most drop dead, gorgeous, skinny, perfect people you've ever seen in your life. And they're all are like aspiring models. And they're all sort of like giving up. They're very smart. They were raised in Baton Rouge or like a very religious, strict household. But the parents have sort of let go. The parents are a part of the show.

38:29The parents are hilarious. You know, one of them went to medical school, but they're all sort of like giving up these big things. They were valedictorians for this influencer lifestyle. And you're watching them like slowly drop every part of their former life. They moved to this big apartment in New York. They're all like trying to get contracts. Brooks is this huge model. They're all fighting with each other. They take Ozempic. Like, it's insane. It shows them taking, though. Well, so it was a big storyline that Brooks was like, they all dabble. You know, when they have a big shoot coming up, you know, they're like, we know it's toxic.

38:53Like, this is what it takes in the industry. And Brooks was like, I lost 30 pounds. Like, you would have seen me before thinking I had no weight to lose. And everyone kept telling me in the industry I was too fat. And like, this is what it takes. And she did. Overnight, she became a huge model. And so there's an episode where Brooks is like clearly taking too much because she's about to be Maxim cover girl of the year. So she's about to shoot it. And she's like shooting up so much. she's like fainting in the bathtub and like she went to a workout class and like seriously like almost her up and so it's like that episode of full house where dj tanner passes on the elliptical oh my god niche reference did not pass out on an elliptical it's not that hard no one thousand percent but also that episode was so crazy no it like touched me it was one of those things where it's like oh never gonna forget this no it's so funny how like there how many seasons of full house were there a million hundred i could not name one thing that happens in one episode of full house ever except when dj like becomes anorexic and like how we were all supposed to be like deeply moved by that when she was also I was I think she was supposed to be like the fat character she was so normal looking like she just had like a little like chubby cheeks like baby fat she was like 12 um it's actually insane how that episode is seared into the memory of every millennial woman I love that she passes out at the gym because it was weird that you were outside the house too in that show was weird and also how did she get into the gym as a 12 year old like I don't think that you can like as a minor go into a gym it was the 90s it's it was the 90s um love that But more BravoCon news is like everyone's eating it up.

40:09And I don't want to be negative, but I'm just not buying it. Teresa Giudice has allegedly made up with her brother. They had this like big reunion. I saw it on Instagram. They were taking pictures together. And I was like, wait, is that Melissa and Teresa? Then I saw this video at like one of the booths. It's funny. They have like at BravoCon this like huge room. They take one of the big convention rooms and they break it up into stalls where it's kind of like a trade show. You like walk around at a trade show and you try new products. The bazaar. The Bravo bazaar. Yes, where everybody comes because everybody has a brand where they literally set up tables and they like sell their merch, sell their candles, sell, you know, hair extensions, whatever it is.

40:40And it's so funny. And I believe it took place at the bazaar where everybody was standing around like looking at taking pictures, filming Teresa and Joe. And they hugged. There was another third person there. I have no idea who it was. They hugged. They were like, we love, love, love, love, love, love. And then they posted a bunch of pictures on Instagram. The fans are eating it up. Gia's commenting. There was rumors that Gia and her uncle had made up. so now it appears as though like all is well now while that's beautiful this is you know a family business we love family the way i'm not buying this for shit um the real husbands in new jersey has been put on indefinite hiatus yeah and a lot of that has to do with the fact that the women wouldn't film film with each other mostly theresa and melissa mostly theresa more than melissa and just because i wasn't so plugged into this one melissa and theresa are sisters-in-law sister-in-law yeah so theresa's brother is melissa's wife husband and um the show like i think if you're a cast member like you you do blame melissa and theresa like these women are now out of a job because the show doesn't know where to go they won't be in the same room together the last reunion was so hostile and this is a franchise that has like repeatedly gotten physical so like they can't really keep doing what they're doing without something happening but now it's like okay great look you took it too far and you ruined it for the rest of us nobody's filming nobody has a job nobody's making any money and i think that these women especially theresa rely so much on the money from the housewives because Teresa's one of the OGs.

42:00She probably makes like$2 billion a season. Like she's really high paid. Not all the women make that, but she makes more than it because it's like a seniority thing. Did her husband have to leave the country or something? Well, her her ex-husband was deported. He lives in the Bahamas now. He went to jail. She went to jail for his crimes as well. And then when he got out of prison, they were like, psych, you're being deported because you are from Italy. What flavor crime? You know, white collar. Like Jen Shah, like taking advantage of senior citizens? No, actually. and that's why I don't hate Teresa Judas as much as I hate Jen Chow.

42:28Teresa's told from the government. Oh, okay. Victimless. Right. Literally victimless crime. Jen Chow was out here defrauding the elderly and vulnerable communities. So these two making up, I think like for like Bravo fans, it's like, everyone's eating it up. I'm just letting you know I'm not buying it for shit. Okay, you heard it here first. No, no. It's just so fraudulent and like doing it in front of all the fans. Like, please. They're doing it. They're going to do it. They're going to re-up the show. Or Teresa's just going to get an own show with her family and then it'll be her. Andy was asked because you know they also have a red carpet where like every reporter now they have influencers on there too which I love people who have like Bravo TikToks someone asked Andy what do you make of it and the way he was so fucking done with these people like you should see and Andy's like not a person who can hide his emotions like if somebody comes on Watch Shop and Zyvon and doesn't like you like you can tell in a second like he's very emotive and he was like that's great like it's just great like he doesn't give a fuck he's like I hope it's real and he said I hope they're doing it for them and they're not like they're doing it for money they're doing it for the show.

43:25I love that Andy clocked it and he's not like faking it with them. They're so, it gets fraudulent. Sorry. Too little, too late. Our third and final BravoCon little subset. Kathy Hilton had the security tag on her outfit. She bought a$2 ,000 Alice and Olivia jacket walking around with a security tag. Do you think Kathy Hilton stole the jacket? No chance. I think she probably got it for free because she's friends with the Alice and Olivia. Yeah. And her daughters are too. I feel like Nikki Hilton like just did a collab. So I think I think this was just like an oversight, like an assistant who's obviously getting fired.

43:58But it's like Kathy Hilton is so rich. Like she doesn't. Kathy Hilton's not touched her own cash in years. And another housewife like had the tag and security tag on her jacket. The finances of so many housewives are so precarious. You would say, oh, they stole it. Very Wendy Acefo, who's just been indebted for insurance fraud. With Kathy, you're right. She's so wealthy. You wouldn't even think for a second that she stole the jacket. No, she just like forgot to tell someone else to pay for the jacket. or like she she didn't even know she was wearing a jacket. Remember when she was doing the caviar on the baked potato?

44:28That's when, you know, it's like this woman does not. She is a jetpack and we all have horse and buggies. She's living on another. They say like tax bracket, but like another tax planet. Yeah, it is a tax planet. Yeah. That's also someone to me where it's like you don't need the show. The Mormon wives. Yes. A lot of the other housewives need the show. And it makes it a complicated relationship that they have with the show. But Kathy's free. Kathy's very free. Sometimes it makes for good TV. And sometimes it's like she's kind of Grey gardens kind of like I know and I wish she like cared a little bit more because there'll be a couple of episodes where we don't even see her and it's like girl no no we need you yeah we need yeah she's desperately the grand dame how do you what do you make of the dynamic another sisterly dynamic between Kyle and Kathy and how Kathy came on the show at the very like randomly at the end and and doesn't really give much but is beloved more than Kyle has probably ever been loved and I think the show was also a huge reason for her issues with her sister Kim and now Kathy comes on and just like is beloved and doesn't even have to try.

45:22Do you think that that kind of puts Kyle on the balls of her ass a little bit? Like, how do you think she feels about it? There's so many sister dynamics because there's also Paris and - Nikki. Nikki. Yep. And the cousins. And the cousins. Yeah, I think basically, I think Kyle got the brunt of the like, you aren't taking care of me correctly and you aren't being loyal enough to me from Kim. And then Kathy kind of got off scot-free. Yes. But maybe it's because she's sort of like Kim doesn't have as much access to her. Yeah. Because she's so rich. Did you ever watch the scripted show that Kyle Richards created about their childhood and like based off of her mom, which resulted in Kathy and Kim not speaking to Kyle for many years?

46:06No. Why didn't they speak to her for many years? It was a one season show that Kyle like produced, wrote and whatever and sold to the Paramount Network, your parent company. One season canceled after one season. and it was about like their mom, inspired by their mom and Kathy and Kim did not like like the concept of their mom being a character on this show or her life and it was actually, the mom was played by Alicia Silverstone. It was so weird. What was the deal with the mom? Was she like a fame monster? She wasn't a fame monster but she was like a stage mom because they all got into, you know, acting very early on and she died very young and she was like a fabulous young woman and this like LA lady.

46:41I never watched the show so I can't really tell you more. And Kyle was like, I'm honoring her and they're like, you're airing the dirty laundry. Exactly. Exactly. And also like they weren't involved. And I think they just feel protective over their mom's legacy, which is understandable. I think if someone really objects to it in the family, you can't. You can't because it's because it's mining their own past. It's not like, hey, we disagree with what you're saying about a separate issue. It's like, well, she's her own person. She's allowed to do whatever she wants. A thousand percent. Today's episode of The Toast is brought to you by Rakuten.

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51:10And you can get it at naturesunshine.com and use our code toast, T-O-A-S-T at checkout for 20 % off your first order, plus free shipping at naturesunshine.com. I would love your take on this next story because it's about Britney Spears. So over the weekend, she made a lot of news because she was hanging out with the Kardashians. They were all like laying in bed together, taking pictures and videos. And like it was, you know, if you don't know what's going on, it looked cute. So I want to get your take on it. But I also want to get your take on Britney in general. Like and, you know, ask the big sort of hard question.

51:36Should we have freed Britney? No, no, no, I don't disagree. Britney does not. OK, wait, let's I know. It's very precarious. There's so much to say about this because she's clearly unwell. But so was the system in place. Like the people involved, everyone's stealing money from it. It wasn't the right conservatorship, but that's not to say that a conservatorship wouldn't have benefited her had it been, you know, an ethical one. Yeah, it should not have involved her father. It should not have involved her being forced to - Take lithium. Take lithium, perform. Right. I mean, I know we got If You Seek Amy out of this.

52:12Yeah, right. And I would be, I mean, it's like, it would be a huge cultural loss if we didn't have it. And so much of the footage of her dancing at the Vegas residency while she was like just churning out and she was like sort of a robot, but it was iconic. I agree. It's very complicated. You better work, bitch. That's also a story in the conservatorship. It's like, should we not? It's like when Michael Jackson comes on or something. It's like those songs from Britney's conservatorship, like were these made under duress. That's actually a really interesting take that I want to just table for one second.

52:37And then I want to talk to you about that. So if I don't bring it back up, please bring up Michael Jackson again. Okay. Because he has a new, there's a new biopic coming out about him. It's like biopic city. Okay. Britney. The sleepover of the Kardashians. The sleep under. Cause you know, no one slept over. They got picked up at Ted. It's actually insane though. the amount of people they like let in their beds. Like they're always putting their shoes on in their beds. Like they're doing show beds. Actually, that's a great car. I would be surprised if they had like a showroom bedroom because they have like they show other fronts of houses and stuff.

53:08It's a set. They are a bed family, which I really like. Are you guys a bed family? Oh, we invented the bed. Like I do everything from bed. We're all always in bed together. Like bed is everything. Were the in-laws like, whoa, this is a lot of bed. That's a good question, because if you're not from a bed family, it's very shocking to see people in bed all the time. Like you're like the grandfather from - Or like a whole family. Yeah, it's Willy Wonka. Willy Wonka, yeah. Like it's shocking. That's so funny. I think that's a great question. I do believe bed doesn't come from a bed family, but they're bed friendly.

53:37Bed friendly, yeah. Bed adjacent. So I don't think it was a huge shock for them. That's good. Are you a bed family? Major bed family. I feel like if you have a lot of siblings who are all the same gender, you have like no choice to be like a bed, bathroom door, open family. Well, that's what I was going to say about Jackie's third son, because it's like at this point, it's like I frankly think it's inappropriate to have different genders in the same family. It's like brothers and sisters. Like, that's weird. Choose. Yeah. So I'm really happy for her. Me too. Britney Spears. Boy mom. Like Jackie.

54:08Yes. I love the parallel you're drawing. Very fraught relationship with the kids. Hasn't seen them in a while. I think they live with K-Fed. Yeah. And what do you make of K-Fed? Because I'm always on here like getting shit for defending K-Fed. because it's like, yeah, say what you want. He's an unemployed couch potato who cashes Britney's checks. But like he's bathing the kids. Like he has actively been fathering alone for many years. So like while, yeah, he's probably thirsty and writing a book about whatever. I kind of believe what he says. I for sure believe that. And there's something to be said for like the active parent for the last 10 years.

54:37Like this was all happening. They were like 20. I know. 21. And so he's writing a book and he had alleged that Britney was doing cocaine while breastfeeding the kids. which is such an insane accusation. That's really, really crazy. Really bad. Also, because it's like, we can't prove it. Like, no one can go back and say that it didn't happen. And like, at that point, maybe breast is not best, you know? Right? Maybe go for the bottle at that point. Maybe breast is not best. Just reach for the formula. Oh my God. Yeah, I mean, like, look, am I sure that he acted grossly and everyone was like, literally a vampire around her in that time?

55:12Yes. do I think either the fame broker or there was something broken in her beginning that was exacerbated by becoming that famous? Also, yes. Weirdly, I think the shaving of the head was the most sane thing she's ever done because it was one of those things where it's like, there's so much pressure around me. I am being forced to perform. Like, what if I do this? You know what I mean? Like now you can't monetize me. No. And it was the craziest thing at the time, right? Now it's literally not that crazy. And if any celebrity do it, we'd be like, yeah. Yeah. Oh, Oh, my God. Amazing Bob. Yeah, Bob.

55:43We love your little Bob. It's like, no. The pixie cut. Do you think there's like a genuine friendship between? No. So they're in the bed. It's Khloe. It's Kim. It's Britney. And it's Kate Hudson, who's Britney's manager. And I think close friends of the Kardashians. It feels like Kate Hudson is Britney's manager? Not Kate. C-A-D-E. A man. Okay, okay, okay. He is Britney's manager and longtime friend. And he's just like kind of a man about town in Hollywood. And I feel like the Kardashians were like, we want to meet Britney. And Kate was like, sure. Let's all hang out and just sort of facilitated this hangout.

56:13I would love to know if they were filming for the show. I mean, the Kardashians are just always thinking 20 steps ahead. Yeah. That I wonder if there's like a red carpet where they're all going to be referencing a Britney look and they wanted like her blessing. Or Kim's going to be her lawyer, except at this rate she didn't pass the bar. So I know of that. I think she'll pass it the next time. I think she's so smart. I think she's so. Is it true you only get like two or three chances? You can't take it. It's not like the SAT is like you can't take it. an infinite amount of time. I don't know. I've heard different things.

56:41Yeah. But maybe because it's the baby bar, it like counts as like a third. It's not the baby bar. This was the real bar. She passed the baby bar. Oh. Because she's on this like weird program where she's not going to law school. She has to take the baby bar and do this like apprenticeship. So, so far she's been doing everything and then she was eligible not to take the bar and she did not pass. But this is the first time she didn't have to pass the big daddy bar. First time she took it and first time she didn't pass. Okay. I think there's going to be another shot for her. No question. I hope so.

57:05I really hope so.

57:09She wants it. Kim Kardashian gone get it. It's true. She's nothing if not determined. She is nothing if not determined. And it's it's like she needs the opposite of a conservatorship. She should be a conservator for for Britney. Maybe that's what the meeting was about. She'd be a great conservator for Britney. She really would. So when it comes to the Britney question, where do you land? I land that like. Yeah, there was what we've seen post her being freed has not like it's like made the case proven that the people who wanted to free Britney were right. And like, I think every time she like does something bizarre, dances with knives or is naked on the thing or the baby that she took to Mexico, that she had the security guard hold.

57:53It's like and everyone's saying like, you go, girl, you do exactly what you want. Like you earned this. Like she's just quirky. It's like, come on. Yeah. Like you're encouraging incredibly erratic and weird behavior. Dangerous, too. Yeah. And like undignified. Yeah, no, I agree. I think at the time it felt right because having this woman, you know, she was like locked up. It felt so wrong. And I think very quickly after she was freed, the questions started pouring in. But it was like kind of this thing you couldn't say, you know. But now I feel like everyone's saying it. Like, it's really nutty.

58:24Especially with like the allegations from Kevin Federline that I know a lot of people aren't taking seriously. But like, I feel like they mean something. No question. I didn't read Britney's memoir, Woman and Me. Me neither. I like do, but also like, is it an accurate retelling of history? Because the woman who's dancing with the knives is the woman writing the story. Do you know what I mean? Right, right. Or like someone else is piecing it together. Or it had nothing to do with her, which is also possible. In that case, I'm also uninterested. The whole thing is very like Amy Winehouse-esque. Yeah.

58:53It's just a train wreck. It's, yeah. It's sad to watch too. It is really sad to watch. And Jamie Lynn, that whole thing is great. Oh, yeah, it is. Back to Michael Jackson. So when you were talking about how, like, music of your comes on, and it's Michael Jackson, it's R. Kelly, it's people who have been, you know, Chris Brown. Right. Disgraced. What is your first of all response? My response is, it's a remix to a kitchen hot and fresh out the kitchen. Yeah, like, that is my response, because it's like, what are we going to do? Yeah. And, like, I think often, like, amazing artists made by terrible people.

59:30And I don't think those things are unconnected, unfortunately. Yeah. And actually, something I was really struck by in the R. Kelly documentary, because his everyone's crimes were so horrible. But R. Kelly's were particularly disturbing, like, you know, the kidnapping of women. And it was like, not only was it the abuse, but it was also like the cult and all these like young, beautiful girls whose lives were stolen from them. And their parents like are mourning them, even though they're alive. Like, it was really crazy. And then a lot of like the experts that they brought on to say was like, it's really hard to stop listening to R.

59:57Kelly because the type of music that he made is music that is used almost exclusively at like celebratory events, like the world's greatest, I believe I can fly. It's in church. It's at communions. It's at bar mitzvahs, ignition. Particularly in the black community, these songs just sort of are emblematic of like big life events. Sweet 16s. And so it's almost impossible to extradite, is that the word? The music from your life. and so that's not my experience with like Michael Jackson I don't listen to a lot of Michael Jackson I also don't go out of my way like yeah I'm gonna go to a wedding and it's gonna happen it's gonna be playing but I'm trying to think if there are people I like Chris Brown like I will actually not listen like I will go out of my way to not listen to I don't even know a Chris Brown song but I there are a couple of good ones I can't lie if someone was like will you give me five dollars Gesundheit it will go directly to the hand of Chris Brown I'd be like I'm good but like will my listening to a Chris Brown or R.

1:00:53Kelly song or my not listening to it, undo what they did now. No, that's true. So like, why should you suffer? Yeah, exactly. Well, I mean, I think it's funny too, because like certain people you're like, I'm taking a stand. And then other people's like, well, Michael, it's everywhere. Well, so that's, that's what I'm always saying on the toast. Don't ever be like, well, Claudia, that's hypocritical of you because you'll listen to X. Yes. I'm a, I'm a complicated person. Yeah, exactly. And I don't like to have like big grandiose statements about things like, and normally it's changing your minds.

1:01:17Actually, I, I recently changed my Instagram bio, but for a couple of weeks, it was this. Strong opinions, loosely held. Love. Which my friend Tinks taught me, which I love. We love Tinks. Then I actually, I could not figure out an Instagram bio for myself. It was kind of this journey I was going on on the podcast. Or is it like Ruby's mom? Please no. I recently figured it out, and I didn't even update everybody where I landed, so I just want to let everyone know. My Instagram bio is now, and will probably for the foreseeable future, because I'm not somebody who likes to change a lot. Once I find it, I find it.

1:01:47Your favorite podcasters? Favorite podcaster. I love. I hate that it's inspired by Chapel Rhone because she's genuinely fucking insufferable. Chapel grown. But whatever happened to her? Don't you feel like there was a time where we were just like talking about Chapel Rhone all the time and now we're not? Well, because it was like the paparazzi, the screaming at the thing. I'm happy. Bobby Brown did. I'm happier now. Let's talk about Millie Bobby Brown. Are you familiar with what's going on with Millie Bob? Well, I just saw that she was like, no, you smile to the paparazzi. Okay. She's like having like a moment.

1:02:11But so they had they adopted a baby. Her and her husband. They adopted a baby? Yes. Like just so random out of the blue. I don't think anybody's seen the baby. I don't know what the baby looks like. And now she's on a press tour. She's all over the world because new season of Stranger Things is coming or has come, whatever. And so there's just like a lot of footage of her, you know, going from the car to the hotel. You know, that's like classic paparazzi stuff. But now she's carrying the Duna, the car seat. And so there was this video that went viral of her husband and her getting out of the car.

1:02:38Her husband's carrying nothing. She's carrying the diaper bag, a backpack and the car seat. And I have that car seat, the Duna. It weighs 38 pounds without the baby in it. Okay. So everybody's like, oh, he sucks. He's getting so much shit. I saw a video after where she ran into the hotel and he was like wrestling with the duna. So now everyone's joking like you're never going to see him without that baby ever again because every time they get out of the car now, he's going to be carrying the car seat. So funny and so relatable because one thing about me, I'm not carrying the car seat. I am not carrying the car seat.

1:03:03That's not going to happen. It's like as a mom, since becoming a mom, I've become stronger in so many ways, but I've become so much weaker, more in a physical sense and also emotional. Like there's so many things I just cannot do. But also you, like there's a division of labor and you are doing a lot of things and it's like you're not, you have so many tokens. A lot of the manual labor is just like no longer my problem nor my responsibility nor am I capable of doing most of it. Also Ben's like big and tall. Like he can carry like 15 dunas. And just like make sure when you're planning your life with someone, and I say this to the listeners, like make sure they can carry a duna.

1:03:33Yeah, make sure they're big and tall. Make sure they're B &T. One thousand percent. Our fifth and final story is news that's like really only affecting me and like three of our listeners. But I feel like it needs to be said because I was going off on it. YouTube TV could not reach an agreement with Disney. So if you're a YouTube TV subscriber, you didn't get ESPN, you didn't get ABC, and you didn't get Disney, everything that Disney owns. And literally Jackie and I, actually Jackie's husband, Zach and I, we would not stop talking about this. This is different than YouTube Premium. Yes. So YouTube TV is for cord cutters.

1:03:58It's cable. Oh, it's cable. It's cable, but digital. And Jackie had it for so long, and I was like, that's so crazy that you don't have cable. It's the re-bundling of the unbundling. Exactly. It's like we're moving forward, but also backwards. And they recently lost their contract with Disney. So like all sports and a lot of people have YouTube TV. It was kind of taking like the internet by storm. You know, I feel like I'm literally the only person talking about it, but mostly because I couldn't watch Dancing with the Stars. So actually you can watch Dancing with the Stars on Disney. I have Disney Plus.

1:04:24I was completely fine. But I just want to let everyone know, like the dispute has ended and they've reached an agreement and you can now watch Disney, ABC and ESPN back on YouTube TV. And are you going to hoard cut from Disney Plus? No, because I don't pay for Disney Plus. So in my family, like we all take on different things. I pay for Max. Okay, huge. Which is a big one. Yeah. Olivia, it's her Hulu Disney ESPN account. And let me tell you not to call out Olivia, but like we're all responsible for the passwords, right? Right. So every like every day somebody writes in, hey, what's the Max password?

1:04:58Hey, what's the Hulu password? Olivia cannot keep her fucking finger on the pulse of whatever she made the last password. And literally our chat is every day. What's the Disney Plus login? And we have to reset it. Loki Olivia sorry to call you out you suck at it I have my max password on lock anybody needs it I've got it right there for you what is Jackie yeah hmm well no I got him free what does okay Jackie's like Loki not pulling her weight no that's my mom's like Jackie's really not pulling her weight I feel like she did have Discovery Plus but like they went out of business Discovery Plus Peacock is yeah Peacock is me interesting Interesting.

1:05:37Very interesting. Doing a little bit of accounting here. Do you have every single app? Do you pick and choose? Well, now that you've been acquired, like you probably don't care. But before you got acquired. Oh, like paying for the app? Yeah. Before you got acquired, how did you handle all your streaming services? Oh, it's total chaos. Guessing, having to text people from high school who haven't spoken to me and I haven't spoken to just like horrible, ultimately breaking down and paying for it. Right. Right. Or starting free trials and forgetting to do it. I mean, it's total chaos. What did I start a free trial for that I have to cancel?

1:06:08Free form? No. It was an app. It wasn't like a, it was an app on my phone. I know what it was. What was it? It was Canva. It was Canva? I was making like a mood board and I needed to like use one of the premium features and it was like$14 and I was like, you know what? Fuck it. I'll cancel it. It was a 14 day free trial. 14. But I have to make sure to cancel it before I get charged. Okay. Okay. I love making mood boards. It's like when I'm just like thinking about like redesigning my apartment, I'm like, how would all this furniture look together? I have to put it on a mood board, but you have to erase the background.

1:06:35Are you redesigning the apartment? No. Oh, okay. I'm always thinking about it, you know? I know. I am the creative director of the free press. And like, I get the like, urge of wives who wake up and they're like, I'm going to redo the whole house. The whole office? Or just the website. The website. Just like the whole look of it. I'm always kind of like flirting with that. As a user of many websites, can I tell you, like, please don't do that. Oh, really? When websites like are constantly like changing moving buttons, it's like, fuck all the way off. You're making me not want to use a website anymore because the home button that was over here, you can change the aesthetic.

1:07:04Like, don't move the buttons. No, no, no. The buttons that we're all using all the fucking time. It's really bad. It's really bad. And it's really annoying. Susie, why is... Anything else you want to talk about? My God. What are you working on next? Like, what are you writing about? What are you researching? I was just in San Francisco. Frightening. Frightening. Yeah. I don't speak their language. They don't speak my language. We don't get along. No. What were you doing there? I was trying to understand, like, AI. Oh. And I left... So were you in, like, San Francisco, like, city? Or, like, the tech...

1:07:32I was in the city of San Francisco and then I was in Berkeley for a few days. Also extremely frightening. Radical youth? In a different, very different way. A lot of therapists there. Everyone who lives there is a therapist. That's right. So right now I'm working on a story about how like sea is the new space. How what? Like the sea is the new space. It's like everyone was obsessed with going to space. Now they're obsessed with the sea. Oh, like, you know, submersible. Oh, like Ocean Gate. Yeah. Well, they all obviously hate Ocean Gate. But these are a lot of like unmanned vehicles. I mean, how are people obsessed with the sea?

1:08:01are people doing stuff in the sea? Yeah. Like similar to how like SpaceX kind of like opened up the space economy. Right. And there's going to be like drug trade and space and mining and like a whole a whole world up there. Economy. That's kind of what's going to be happening in the sea because it's so big. It is. And there's so many parts that we haven't even touched. And I asked one of the founders, I was like, does God want you down there? Like, does God want you poking around down there? And he was like, absolutely. I actually don't disagree. Really? I feel like the sea is so vast and every time we learn something about the sea like i i forget what documentary i was watching definitely david attenborough when the waves like okay this i'm gonna sound really stupid i also think like okay so when the waves like crash on the shore and then pull back in there i forget exactly what they had said but like the entire balance of the the world's ecosystem like is oh god i sound so fucking no you don't whatever's happening there Like the waves are bringing like something back into the ocean that keeps like the world's environment, the entire ecosystem keeps it running.

1:09:05Kind of felt like the world would end without bees. Right. The world would also end if the ocean didn't go and come back, go and come back. Every time I learn something about the ocean, it's so to me, people always say like, how can you have a baby and like not believe in God? For sure. How can you like know shit about the ocean and not believe in like the beauty, the magic of God? No question. To me, it's extremely godly. I also think it's very feminine place. Expand on that. Well, it like goes by the moon. Oh, yeah. It's connected to the moon, as are we. It can be extremely calm or extremely like vicious and fierce.

1:09:36Someone the other day was like, what's more dangerous, a woman who's bored or a woman who's scorned? And I'm like, wrong question. What's more dangerous, a ballistic missile or a woman who's scorned? And it's a woman who's scorned. Like that is the most dangerous force. So I really I think she's going to be very like big. Oh, I love this. Now, what are people doing? Like they're taking trips. They're starting businesses. Like, what are they doing? They're doing like they're making these like drones that are extremely like cheap and fast because it's basically extremely expensive to do like like submersible.

1:10:04Yeah. Or just like communication with like a thing right like out on the high seas. So they make these drones that can like plant seagrass or like monitor things like people fishing in, you know, waters you aren't supposed to fish in or just like just like really creative, like flying boats and airplanes that can land on the sea. And like the sea will be we haven't seen so much of it. And all of these people are obsessed with Atlantis and they're obsessed with MH370. I'm at Atlantis. I was like the Bahamas cracking up. No, like the lost city. The lost city. Yeah. But they also are like, I think it was it 2014 that that Malaysian airline flight went down.

1:10:40And all of these people were like, what do you mean you can't find it? Right. Like that. How is that possible? But it just speaks to the vastness of the sea. The whole ass 300 person airplane could get lost. Swallowed. That's so great. It's scary. Also, is it true that like there are cables in the sea that like connect the Internet? Yes. And then like sometimes it's like kind of soft war when like China or someone will like sever the cable. And then they're like, well, that's like we dropped an anchor. Yeah, it's so China. Honestly, that's a slay. Like we dropped an anchor. Yeah. Sorry, you can't connect.

1:11:15Sorry, you have no grid. Oh, my. That's crazy. No, like I kind of think World War Three will take place on the high seas. Oh, my God. That's my prediction. I love that. not like I love, but that's a good prediction. Prediction season's about to start. So that's what you're working on. What does that mean, prediction season's about to start? It's like, you know, like the in-outs of like 2025. Oh my God. You hate that? You'd be so good at it. I know, but like the thing is, it's like nothing's in and nothing's out. We're all people. Oh, I love that. That's right. But space out, see it. Space out, see it.

1:11:42And I feel like space is out. Katy Perry ruined space. I loved that. I was like, go, go up there. Would you go to space? No. I have no interest. Me neither. No. I'd rather go very far out at sea and experience that than experience space. Oh, that's a really good question. Just because I think you could be more free. It's so spooky. It's so spooky. And I know when you go to space, like you're so far from home, but there's something about being in the middle of the ocean, not seeing any land. That's like an extremely scary feeling. Well, especially because it's like you're on the earth, but still no one can see you as if you were in space.

1:12:16And when you think about the ocean, like you have to think about multiple parts of the ocean. Like I'm thinking about like, Of course, Caribbean. I could see the sand. Like that dark ocean where like you can't even see the water what's beneath you. Like that is so fucking freaking. That's so. At night? Oh my God, I could never. I could literally never. That's so scary. Okay, so that's what you're working on. What else? What else am I working on? I feel like you're always like finding random like rabbit holes to go through that are extremely interesting. Like the lab diamonds. Yeah, like lab grown diamonds.

1:12:41That was a really fun one. Oh, I am going to do like an essay that I feel like toasters might. It might appeal to them. No, love. Abolish the bachelorette party. abolished your astronaut party. None. Wow. That's an extremely hot take. Why do you say that? I think that's a recession indicator. Well, first of all, like engagement rings, weddings have gotten completely cuckoo bananas. They're eight day festivals. Consumerism at its worst. And just like I people were freaking out. I forget who it was. Someone's wedding where it was just like the content came first. You know what I mean? It was like they established the wedding and like the wedding was downstream of the content, which like is fine.

1:13:17Yeah. But especially if that's your job. And like, if you're an influencer, like part of that is living your life and having a lifestyle. Yes. But I think we're kind of like reaching a saturation point where it's like, is this even fun? Like, what is a signature cocktail? Like, do we even need to do any of this? And I was I went to like, I want to say six or seven weddings this summer. Wow. This summer. Yeah. I'm just in that you're popular season. But like my whole do you remember? Right. And it's like, I remember it. It's my whole life. That is that song. And there was like a lot of like long plane trips.

1:13:48And like, I love all of these people, but you can really only ask someone to take a plane once for your wedding. Yeah. If that. That's funny. You know, it's like no matter how much you love a person, like the wedding will make you hate them. Hate them. Yeah. And it's so crazy. And people who are like, people are acting like there's a gun to their head being like, well, we have to go to Vegas. And it's like, no, you're holding the gun. Right. I want people to understand that. Put the gun down. Did you have a bachelor party? Of course I did in Vegas. Okay. But let me say this. I was a child bride.

1:14:13Yes. So I was 21 and no one in my life had gotten married. No one I knew. And it was so exciting. And I feel like when I talk about my bachelorette party, I have to mention the fact that the entire thing was sponsored. Nobody in my party had to pay for anything. Maybe a flight, but I don't even think that. Hotels, clubs, outfits. Restaurants. Outfits. Like literally everything was free. and it was the first time anyone in my family, anyone in my group of friends had gotten married. So it was just like so fucking exciting. And also everyone's from New York. A lot of them hadn't even ever been to Vegas.

1:14:47We'd all just turned like 21. So I agree with a lot of your criticism. Doesn't apply to me. Doesn't apply to you. No, I feel like that has to be said. I just turned 30 and at this point it's like, I'm not wearing a silly hat. I'm not wearing a wig. I just turned 30. Tell me about that. I'm 31. You're 31? I know. I have an extremely youthful spirit. And face. And a baby. Well, yes. I was just, I came into the office the next day after I turned 30 and I was like, I'm so happy for all of us that that's done. Yeah. Right. Congratulations to you that you no longer have to hear me talking about 30 and 30.

1:15:17It's not cute. No one cares. It's almost worse. Like turning 30 is worse than being 30. Are you kidding? Like having that in your future is very like dread inducing. It has this like existential feeling. Once it's over, you're like, okay, you're freed. And it's like, oh, I feel bad for the 29 year olds a little bit. You know what I mean? And also Tinks was the one who gave me great advice because I was really actually clearly get a lot of advice from Tinks. I was really struggling with turning 30 because when you're in this space, too, like youth is everything. Yeah. And all the girls are, you know, 17.

1:15:48And so she was like, you should really buy yourself something nice. It makes you really excited about your birthday. And so I did. I bought myself a diamond tennis necklace. Oh, wow. Yeah. I guess that was the last time I bought a diamond. Yeah. Oh, my God. There you go. And it was really good advice because then I was just thinking about like the gorgeous present I was getting, not like the fact that I was turning 30. Tinks is really good on like aging, living. And like if you wanted a husband, you would have one. You don't want a husband. Like she's just very matter of fact. Very matter of fact.

1:16:16And it's like I just I really appreciate her. Me too. I really appreciate you. I loved podcasting with you. I feel like I was just watching your episode with Jackie and you guys like connected so hard. And everybody was like, I love this. I was reading the comments this morning. Everybody was like, I love this too. Oh, my God. Like Miss Claude. But like this was really great. And I was like, that's great. You're like, eye roll. So fuck Susie Weiss. Having said that, I just like needed to bring you back on here and like stunt on these hoes, you know, and you're a two time co-host now. Not a lot of people can say that.

1:16:41Thank you for spending your morning with us. Thank you for the great work that you do. We cannot wait to see what the sea has in store for you. Don't get lost at sea. Thank you so much. It's an honor to be here. Where can people find you? Where do you plug your shit? Okay. Subscribe to the free press at the FP.com slash subscribe. We'll see if we can maybe even get a little discount for the toaster. Okay, if you do make it code toast. Okay, code toast. So just try that if you're subscribing. Okay, try code toast, but if it doesn't work, sorry. Barry said no. Yeah, Barry said no. And you can follow me on X at Snoozy Weiss.

1:17:14I should have like one thing that just does it all. And then Instagram, I have a new professional Instagram. Because you're private on Instagram. Because I'm private on Instagram. That's so, like that's such a stunt. It's a stunt, but it's also like, I get so confused with the rules around the nieces and nephews and whose face and whose not face that I'm just like. Does Barry show her kids online? No. Do you guys have any work on the FP about like kids on the Internet? Like what's the general thesis? Yes. We're Jonathan Haidt is a. I love him. He's unbelievable. The Anxious Generation, right? Anxious Generation.

1:17:42And he's really into like let go. Like don't be a helicopter parent. In addition to a million other things. And I report a lot on like what the Internet is doing to people. As in like how is it spiritually disfiguring them? Right. But also it's the best and amazing and we love it. It's so complicated. It's it's it's every it's it's mom talk. It's the church. Yes, it is. Is it in the room with us? We need it. We can't define it. It's an ethereal being. So Susie is online on Instagram. And yeah. How does it feel being a public facing Instagram figure now? Oh my God, it's really scary. I basically told like the social team at work.

1:18:14I'm like, I'll just, you have to do it. Yeah, yeah, handle it. But I have a column that comes out every week on Culture called Second Thought. And hopefully soon a podcast. Oh, really? I mean, you do have like good podcast energy. You can converse really well. So much about podcasting, and this is something I'm clearly still working on, is listening. and talking and talking, especially when we have a co-host song because we're not like a guest interview show. Well, but you and Jackie, it's almost like you have your own dialect. It's a language. We also are like puzzle pieces. Like I know when to stop and she starts and she stops and I start.

1:18:43And so we've done it so long. But when I'm interviewing other people, it's like so hard because like I think I'm so interesting. And it's like, well, you're here to be interviewed. And like, I'm not an interviewer. I've never claimed to be one. So it's something I'm really working on. Well, the DJ, I forget her name. She was very adorable. The DJ, she was like, You're talking so fast. Do you know how much hate I got also for that episode? They're like, Claudia, you really did not help Xander. I'm like, oh, fuck. I forget that we are in a league of our own when it comes to speed talking. I forget that not everybody knows what I'm talking about.

1:19:10Because I'm just used to sitting down with somebody who does. That's why you're a great co-host. Because I feel like I don't have to explain anything to you. Yeah, we're plugged in. And you talk just as fast as I did. I try. You really kept up Parchiliciously. Thank you so much. Speaking of Parchi, I cannot believe I've been sitting up in this getup without letting you know this is a new merch that launches Wednesday. Look at that. Wednesday, 10 a.m. Eastern Time. we are launching so much our iconic t-shirts in three more designs probably the best ones we've ever made sweatshirts baby stuff totes hats it's all gonna be on our instagram check it out at the toast and the merch website is what's the merch website shoptoastmerch.com i think we recently had to change it because it was chanel.com obviously um now i believe it's shoptoastmerch.com you just double check that for me jackie's gonna kill me wait it was chanel.com i'm kidding yeah it's the oh thetoastpodcast.com okay or I think also shop toast merch just letting you know Susie thank you so much for being here thank you for having me guys thank you so much for listening to the toast on Monday morning show where we deliver the fast stories you need to know every Monday the Friday on YouTube so if you're watching us on YouTube please don't forget to subscribe give us a thumbs up also available as a podcast and we're podcasting on Spotify and such a public radio I already cast box all the places where we listen to podcasts find us the toast leave a five star review bitch about how beautiful standing and wickedly talented we are we will see you tomorrow Love you.

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